1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 2: Happy to be with you this Christmas Eve live as 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: we do every single year here on KFI. And for 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 2: John Cobelt, yeah, he takes the day off. He doesn't 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: talk about this much, but he uses the whole day 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: to try to get off the naughty list, just crams 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: it into one day, kind of like a Hail Mary 8 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 2: type thing. I'll due respect, that's all right. We're happy 9 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 2: to be here with you and we will open up 10 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: the phone. So if you have a question, theological question 11 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: dealing with God, religion, spirituality, worldviews, the Bible, or if 12 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: you're going through something, I know the holiday season can 13 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: bring a lot of joy, but for some it brings 14 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: pain or reminders of things from the past, whatever it 15 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: might be, give us a call eight hundred five to 16 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: zero one five three four, eight hundred five to zero 17 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 2: one five three four and will be with you until 18 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: four o'clock. Every year around this time, the focus is 19 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: on the spirit of Christmas. People say happy Holidays. The 20 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 2: reality is the day holiday actually means Holy Day. Holy 21 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 2: days were a time of spending time with your family, 22 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 2: connecting with your loved ones, thinking about the spiritual needs 23 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: and not just the physical worldly day to day life. 24 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:56,559 Speaker 2: The power in the Holy Days comes from focusing on 25 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: things in which gratitude should be paramount. Now, gifts are lovely, 26 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: and there are those that say, well, gifts take away 27 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 2: the reason for the season, the focus on God. And 28 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 2: if a gift can take your eyes your spirit away 29 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: from God, then there's other problems. Be long long beyond 30 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: the gifts. We'll get into the gifts that were given 31 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: to me as a child, the reason that you are 32 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 2: celebrating the eve of christ Mass today and celebrating Christmas tomorrow. 33 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 2: But I want you to think about gift giving, the 34 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: purpose of it, the reason you do it. Finding those 35 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 2: special things about somebody that you want to amplify. That's 36 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: what a gift is. That's what the gifts were to me, 37 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: Amplifying what you see in that person, what you love 38 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: about that person, what you know about them. It's a 39 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: way a nod to them, going I see you, I 40 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: know who you are, I appreciate you. And there's power 41 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: in that. There's connectivity in gift giving when done right. Now, 42 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with giving small little gifts to recognize 43 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: somebody that may be less personal whether it's candy or 44 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: cookies or because with that comes the notion of I 45 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: care enough about you, you are on my list in life. 46 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: So it's not about the grandiose gesture. It's about the 47 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: power of connection seeing other people. When you notice people 48 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: getting irate, you go. You're driving, You see people driving. 49 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: You go. Now the hustle and bustle of shopping. You 50 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: see people getting irate. You know what makes them irate? 51 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: There are two things in those situations. One either entitlement 52 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 2: somebody feels entitled and doesn't know why you're messing with them. 53 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 2: But the other one is more likely, and that is, hey, 54 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 2: you don't see me. You think you're more important than me, 55 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: just to smidge the entitlement, But really it's it's more, hey, 56 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 2: i'm here. You just crossed in front of me, ignoring me. 57 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 2: You just took my spot there. Just you're ignoring another 58 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 2: human being, and the desire of humans are to be 59 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: seen and to connect rightly. So that's how you were designed. 60 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: So there's power in gift giving and that the little 61 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 2: dance that goes with it, like wrapping. I'll explain more 62 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:18,679 Speaker 2: in a moment. 63 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: You're listening to kfi Am six forty on demand. 64 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: I hope that you are being cozied up. As a 65 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: storm goes through the south Land, stay right here. Anything 66 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: you need to know you will hear. Any road closures 67 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 2: or beyond, you will hear about it here. If you 68 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: have a question, a theology question or life situation question, 69 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 2: anywhere that you can hear, this dial eight hundred five 70 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: to zero one five three four. That's eight hundred five 71 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 2: to zero one five three four. Time for gifts. This 72 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 2: season brings out gift giving and the spirit of joy 73 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: and appreciating the small things. And it doesn't matter where 74 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 2: they come from. I know trees and the pagan origins 75 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 2: and all these things, but the reality is that there 76 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: is joy inexperiences of family and connection. And I know 77 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 2: the hustle and bustle is at full blast, but ultimately, 78 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 2: if you think of the end results of just getting together. 79 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: We've said this before that happiness is a momentary feeling 80 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: of joy due to a happening. Just something happens, you 81 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 2: get the gift to go, oh yeah, And there's that. 82 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 2: But true joy comes at all times. True joy is 83 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:47,679 Speaker 2: impenetrable by circumstances. It's not there because something is good 84 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: or bad or indifferent. It's there because it is. It's 85 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 2: the sheer appreciation of life and existence and one more 86 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: day to change or to be better, or to do 87 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 2: something for someone else. And it's been said many times 88 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 2: that Christmas is a time for non believers to feel 89 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: what believers feel on a daily basis, and that is 90 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 2: that joy that focus on those things. So back to 91 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: gifts and the importance of them. It's not about, oh, 92 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: I'm accumulating stuff. I've been giving something of worth. The 93 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: worth is not the gift. The worth is the inside 94 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: of the individual who gives it to you, what they 95 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 2: know about you, that you're on their list, that you're 96 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: important enough to be thought of. So it doesn't matter 97 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: what the gift is unless the gift ties into that. 98 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: It's like I know you, I know about you, and 99 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 2: here's something I know about you. Those are the best. 100 00:07:55,080 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 2: Even down to the wrapping, why do you well? Anticipation 101 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: right to enhance the significance goes back to ancient times, 102 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: shows protecting of the item. It shows care for the 103 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: desire of someone to feel. The anticipation and the unwrapping 104 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 2: as to what is what is in it? The experience 105 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: of those things, makes it delightful, makes you feel something 106 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 2: a little different, an experience that you wouldn't have had. 107 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: So what about the traditions, What about the traditions of 108 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 2: the three gifts given? Everybody knows about them, right, Gold, 109 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 2: frankencense and what a trio. So this builds up with 110 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 2: the magi though what are referred to as the wise 111 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: men or the magicians really is where that comes back 112 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: back to not followers of God in the traditional sense. 113 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 2: And it doesn't say that there were just three of them. 114 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, Magi is plural and there 115 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 2: could have been dozens. The assumption that there's three is 116 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: because the gifts are three. So think about those gold. 117 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: Interesting thing to give a child, ah, saving for saving, 118 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: up for life, saving up for college. No denoted kingship, royalty, frankencense. 119 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 2: It's an incense, but it's a very specific one. Franking 120 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: sense shows uh talks to divinity, spirituality, the godness of 121 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 2: the baby and the manger and mur even equally stranger 122 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 2: mr an embalming spice. How would you give that to 123 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: a child, a brand new baby. So muhr was used 124 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 2: for many things as a perfume of sorts, but often 125 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: as an embalming spice placed upon the body at death 126 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 2: and burial. This is said to signify my life thirty 127 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: three eight years later in ministry as Savior, acknowledging these 128 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 2: roles collectively reckoning me as a child, as King, God 129 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: and Savior. The completion, the perfection of who I was, 130 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 2: is and always will be, the prophetic significance, the tribute 131 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: of the world, All of these things, the power of 132 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 2: those things stated in each of those gifts, showing that 133 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 2: even those that were part of a different even a 134 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: pagan belief system like the Magi, knew something was happening, 135 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: something big, something significant, and in that shows the power 136 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 2: of what you celebrate on this Christmas Eve leading into Christmas. 137 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. 138 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: I am your Holy Host, Happy to be with you 139 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 2: this Christmas Eve as I'm with you normally on Sunday mornings. 140 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 2: This is our special Christmas Eve Live that we do 141 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 2: every single year here on KFI. Thanks for joining us. 142 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 2: A Merry Christmas to you and yours. If you have 143 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 2: a theology question or a life situation question, give us 144 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: a call eight hundred five to zero one five three 145 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: four that's eight hundred five to zero one five three 146 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 2: four Patty, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 147 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 3: Hi Jesus, how are you well? 148 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 2: I am well? How are you? How can I help 149 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 2: you today? 150 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 3: Thank you for taking my call? And I know happy 151 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 3: birthday for tomorrow. But that's my question. We know it 152 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 3: was in December. I was always of the opinion it 153 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: was during the fall because the wise men were following 154 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 3: the star. But then I was having a conversation with 155 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 3: someone recently and she actually said it was something to 156 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 3: do with the sheep and when the lambs are born, 157 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 3: and that's always in the spring, and the fact that 158 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 3: there were shepherds at your birth place. I just I 159 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 3: knew I could get the right answer from you because 160 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 3: you knew where you were born. So that's my question. 161 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 2: Well, there isn't anything that specifies specifically in scripture. It 162 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 2: certainly was not December. That is tied that is tied 163 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: to church stuff and other pagan holidays and the church 164 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 2: trying to push through those things to remain current and 165 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: relevant and things like that. The likelihood of it being 166 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 2: around September mid to late September seems to be one 167 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: of the consensus that comes from scholars looking at dealing 168 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: like you said, dealing with shepherds, because it talks about 169 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 2: the shepherds being in the fields, and there are certain 170 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 2: things that denote things that can be traced back and 171 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 2: look into as to what was going on so two 172 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: thousand plus years ago, and so in doing that, traditions 173 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: and the things that are talked about, that is where 174 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 2: most theologians land is sometime in mid to late September 175 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 2: is when they look at that. But it's the celebration 176 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 2: is the celebration, and most important is to be reminded 177 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: of the beginning, middle and end. Everything of import throughout 178 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 2: Scripture talks about the beginning, middle and end. The Calgary, 179 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 2: you know, Gessemine, the empty tomb, all these things have 180 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 2: a pattern of that beginning, middle, and ending. That's imperative 181 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 2: and important. And so that's the beginning is what's being celebrated. 182 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 2: The beginning, not of God in people's lives, not the 183 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 2: beginning of even a faith, but the beginning of redemption 184 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: and salvation, which could not be obtained. That's the reality, 185 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 2: it was not attainable. There are two ways really talked 186 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 2: about in scripture about getting into heaven, and it says, 187 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: be perfect like your father God in heaven is perfect. 188 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 2: Not going to happen or no. Take the blood on 189 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: the cross as the payment in full. 190 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 3: Amen, And I do. I appreciate you doing that for 191 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 3: us and making that sacrifice over two thousand years ago, 192 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 3: and it's just great to have you in my life. 193 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 2: Well, the wonder of that is is that that smile 194 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: that I hear and the joy that I hear when 195 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: you say those things. Praise to God that those things, 196 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 2: those things are seen by people around you. That is 197 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: why people will ask you to You know, there is 198 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 2: a presence of a person. This thought of having to 199 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 2: shove a belief system down someone's throat or be a 200 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 2: Bible thumper or any of those things. It's not necessary. 201 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: If there if someone was glowing green, you would look 202 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 2: at them and go, wow, you're glowing green. Why are 203 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 2: you glowing green? I mean, people will ask questions on something. 204 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 2: It's the shortcut, shortcut to try and force it on somebody. 205 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: It's another thing to live in a way, to have 206 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 2: an energy about you that comes from the joy that 207 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: surpasses understanding, that is in your heart and in your 208 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 2: life even when times are bad. That makes people want 209 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 2: to know about you know, Patty, what makes you tick? 210 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 2: Why even during tough times do you seem to have 211 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 2: a strength that I don't understand or I don't have, 212 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 2: or whatever it might be. And there's power in that. 213 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I really appreciate that. But I know 214 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 3: without you, I wouldn't be where I'm at today. And yeah, 215 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 3: we all have struggles, like I think I've even heard 216 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 3: you say in other episodes, you know, life House shark edges. 217 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but just a matter of that really, just 218 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 3: the wisdom and knowledge and the faith. I mean, that's 219 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 3: where faith comes in. You know, you can't see it. 220 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 3: You just got to know it's right and it's there 221 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 3: and just do what you do. So thank you. 222 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: You're very correct. We've said that many times about the 223 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 2: world having sharp edges and the fact that you cannot 224 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 2: nerf the world. You're going to bump into things. And Patty, 225 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 2: that is why having the strength and the power of 226 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 2: God in your corner in your life, not for Gosh, 227 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 2: be a genie and make nothing hurt and all that. 228 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 2: It's give me the strength the ability to look past 229 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 2: these things. God bless you, Patty, and Merry Christmas to 230 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 2: you and I love hearing that you focusing on those 231 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 2: things and understanding the spirit of God. And still you know, 232 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 2: whether you knew the date of my birth or not 233 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 2: is a curiosity and intellectual curiosity, and that's wonderful. But 234 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 2: it didn't matter. You still loved, You still focused on 235 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: the things of God even without that knowledge, and there's 236 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: power in that as well. Eight hundred five two zero 237 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 2: one five three four is the number for you to 238 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 2: call if you have a theology question or world views 239 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: the Bible, whatever might be on your mind, or if 240 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 2: you're going through something in life and you want to 241 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 2: talk about it. We call those life situations. And believe me, 242 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 2: situations can change good, good can go to bad, bad 243 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: can go back to good. Eight hundred five two zero 244 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 2: one five three four. 245 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. 246 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 2: If you have a theology question or a life situation 247 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 2: question anywhere you can hear my voice, give me a call. 248 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 2: Eight hundred and five to zero one five three four. 249 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 2: That's eight hundred five to zero one five three four. Donald, 250 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 251 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 4: Well, thank you very much. I had a question, how 252 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 4: old is everything? How long ago? Was? Was creations. I 253 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 4: know there's a few theologians out there teaching the literal 254 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 4: chronology and genealogy is just a little over six thousand years. 255 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 4: Ye's what's the correct answer. 256 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: Okay, So those that are of the young Earth variety 257 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 2: in theology are incorrect the conclusions that they come to 258 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 2: or false on a couple of things. Ones, they're the 259 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 2: one they're using the genealogy, and the genealogy is not there. 260 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 2: They are like signposts of the genealogy. They aren't literal 261 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 2: years or generations to count down and say, okay, this 262 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 2: is how long the earth is. Never is it said, 263 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 2: never is it placed anywhere in scripture that that is 264 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 2: the canon the measuring rod that should be used as 265 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: to the age of the earth. Science still learns from 266 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 2: different methods of gauging and metrology, which is the study 267 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 2: of measuring things. So they use different types of metrology 268 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 2: to come to conclusions as to how old the universe 269 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 2: is and those things in it. So the two things 270 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 2: theologically that people that tend to stop people in their 271 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 2: tracks are one the period of creation that has talked 272 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 2: about in Genesis about the seven day mark, so the 273 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 2: word there in the Hebrew and the ancient Hebrew is 274 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 2: the same as the word that is used in Hebrew 275 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 2: now yom. Now yom is what you use for like 276 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 2: Yom Kippur and these types of things where you're talking 277 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 2: about a day. However, in the actual language, yom can 278 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 2: mean many things. It can mean a twenty four hour period. 279 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 2: It can be mean daylight, the period of daylight, which 280 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 2: is of course not the entirety of the day. It 281 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 2: can mean many things, including infinitude. Depending on its context 282 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 2: and the use of the word and where it is used, 283 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 2: it can mean many different things. This happens a lot 284 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 2: in ancient languages, especially in ancient Hebrew. Is one word 285 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: is used for many things, so it can mean you know, 286 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 2: stick or log or post or so depending on its usage. 287 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 2: And so. There are those that like Christian and astrophysicist 288 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 2: Hugh ross Out in southern California, believes that the Earth 289 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 2: is billions of years old, and this aligns perfectly with 290 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 2: scientific consensus, and he looks at the concept of the 291 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 2: progress of what they call progressive day age creationism or 292 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 2: Old Earth creationism. The producer of the show, Neil Savedra, 293 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 2: is also an Old Earth creationist, meaning that the you 294 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 2: know the time of Biblical texts ties into what is 295 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 2: known scientifically and does not counter that in any way, 296 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 2: shape or form until and only until one tries to 297 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 2: come up with a measurement based on something like the genealogies, 298 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 2: which it never says, this is the age of the 299 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 2: earth by these things. So that is something that people 300 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: have misused scripture for. But there is nothing in scripture 301 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 2: that says specifically that the concept of billions of years old, 302 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 2: the universe being billions of years old, of the Earth 303 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 2: being billions of years old, is contradictory. Does that happen? 304 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 4: Appreciate that? 305 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 2: Okay, you're very very welcome. Merry Christmas to you, and 306 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 2: I hope that that helps you understand it is. The 307 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 2: Bible is a fascinating work. It's not one book. It's 308 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 2: under one cover mostly, but it's not one book. It's 309 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 2: sixty six plus books to the Christian written over a 310 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: span of thousands of years, three different continents, three different languages, 311 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 2: times of peace, times of war, by kings written and 312 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 2: by peasants alike. And there's power in its continuity. Is 313 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 2: it a book of science? No? Does it contradict science? No? 314 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 2: I mean you have the concept of miracles. But science 315 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 2: often puts a label on a can before it understands 316 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 2: what's in the can, things like quarks, things like labels 317 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: that science will go, this is a thing. We don't 318 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 2: know what that thing is, but this is a thing. 319 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 2: There is something going on, some phenomenon. Because science is observational, 320 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 2: you can't observe a past singular event like creation. But 321 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 2: if you stood on a seven foot ladder and dropped marbles, 322 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 2: handful of marbles, and they hit the ground and scattered, 323 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 2: and you could calculate the the friction of the surface 324 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 2: in which they hit, and you could calculate the height 325 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: in which they were dropped, the weight, and the true 326 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 2: spherical nature of the marble, because they're not true spheres, 327 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: they have anomaly. If you could calculate all those things 328 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 2: and the speed in which they would slow down as 329 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 2: they moved out, then forensically you could look at those 330 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 2: things and then reverse the math and come to the 331 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 2: point where they were dropped and how high they were dropped, 332 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 2: and these things. So forensically, everyone is looking backwards towards 333 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: a past singular event when it comes to history of 334 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 2: any kind, where you don't have the modern conveniences of 335 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 2: logging other than writing drawings, things like that. But there 336 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 2: is nothing in scripture that says nothing that says the 337 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 2: Earth is six thousand years old. 338 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: KFI AM six forty on demand