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Speaker 1: Five o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen to thirty more. Edger

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Speaker 1: you see is moving on from Wes Miller. Terry Nelson

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Speaker 1: radio and TV analysts for UC men's basketball kind enough

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Speaker 1: to give us a few minutes team now, it's awesome

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Speaker 1: to have you. This season, we went into it going okay,

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Speaker 1: they got to make the tournament or else. For Wes

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Speaker 1: Miller this year macro level. Why did it not work.

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Speaker 2: The pieces? He didn't put the right cards on the

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Speaker 2: table at the right times. And that's just been how

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Speaker 2: it his. I mean, as a player, if I'm a formar,

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Speaker 2: if I'm a player under with Miller, I love playing

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Speaker 2: for him because if I'm in that starting lineup, he

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Speaker 2: will play me way to the end, from beginning to

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Speaker 2: the end, he will be he will be loyal to

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Speaker 2: me because I've earned it in practice. However, when there's

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Speaker 2: bad games, for non productive games from your starters, there's

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Speaker 2: the reason that you have a bench and those people

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Speaker 2: on the bench get paid to you do you use

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Speaker 2: your bench to win games when you need it the most?

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Speaker 2: And that, unfortunately, that's sort of been the mo O.

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Speaker 2: Is that making the right adjustments at the right times

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Speaker 2: has seemed to be the reason that he is no

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Speaker 2: longer here.

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Speaker 1: Was the way they lost on Wednesday, for you, the

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Speaker 1: straw that broke the camel's back.

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Speaker 2: It was it was because the answers to the tests

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Speaker 2: were sitting right in front of you. You know, Keyschan

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Speaker 2: Tillery is having one of his better games. He's come

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Speaker 2: along strong over the part of the reasons you won

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Speaker 2: seven out of ten is because Keyshan Tillery was emergence

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Speaker 2: off the bench. The stoppa was your focus facing the

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Speaker 2: basket and shooting jump shots. But it was you know,

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Speaker 2: you only have one point guard. You have two combo

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Speaker 2: guards and Danae and Jizzle and one point god on

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Speaker 2: the roster, and that was Keyshan Tillery. And he's the

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Speaker 2: only guy that consistently breaks this man down and gets

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Speaker 2: to the basket and makes them happen. And he's a

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Speaker 2: human press breaker. And for him not to be in

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Speaker 2: the game when you couldn't get the ball across at court,

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Speaker 2: either you take Jigsel out because he was having a

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Speaker 2: hard time getting the ball across, or you take Celestine

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Speaker 2: out because you don't need points now you need to

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Speaker 2: spread the floor or get to the free throw line,

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Speaker 2: get the ball, pass at court. You could have win

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Speaker 2: three guards and let you know, pass the ball from

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Speaker 2: Tillery breaking it, or you could have had Baba Miller

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Speaker 2: bring the ball up and throw over the top of

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Speaker 2: the double team to the second wave of guards. There's

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Speaker 2: a pluth roop that could have happened, and neither one happened.

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Speaker 1: What are the things that are at the top of

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Speaker 1: your priority list when you think about who the next

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Speaker 1: head coach should be.

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Speaker 2: Does he have in game strategy and does he exude

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Speaker 2: toughness to the team. I mean, over the last thirty

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Speaker 2: five years since Huggins over, there's been an imphasis tough

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Speaker 2: and to see that sort of erode away, to see

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Speaker 2: on a daily base guys not be held accountable for

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Speaker 2: the actions that take place on the floor because are

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Speaker 2: pretty great guys. The town's there. I mean, there's nothing

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Speaker 2: wrong with the roster. It's how you fashion it. If

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Speaker 2: every if you're in a cooking contest and everybody has

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Speaker 2: the same ingredients and your kid turns out differently than

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Speaker 2: the person right next to you, it's not in the

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Speaker 2: ingredients and how you prepared it. And if you look

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Speaker 2: at the guys that it has on this roster, they

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Speaker 2: were more than capable of winning. It was only every

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Speaker 2: one or two games that they were not in it.

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Speaker 2: Every game they had a lead, every game they were competing,

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Speaker 2: every game they got right there, they could not find

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Speaker 2: a way to close. And unfortunately, because I like and

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Speaker 2: a lot of people like Pest and you'll hear a

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Speaker 2: lot of people say this, and I like him, but

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Speaker 2: he's my favorite butt Well, I like the way he

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Speaker 2: did this. There's always an exception at the end of

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Speaker 2: that because when it comes down to it fired purified

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Speaker 2: and it reveals what the essence of you already are,

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Speaker 2: which you really are. And when stuff got close, he

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Speaker 2: let his emotions get the best of him instead of

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Speaker 2: thinking clearly and doing the right thing to win the game.

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Speaker 2: For the supporters and the fan base, the name.

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Speaker 1: That is going to be brought up most often, at

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Speaker 1: least here in the early goings of this is is

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Speaker 1: Jared Calhoun. Who is who has been here right work

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Speaker 1: for Bob Huggins. Towards the end of Coach Huggins ten

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Speaker 1: uere at UC is he somebody you know it all?

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Speaker 1: Are you beyond just knowing that he's coaching at us

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Speaker 1: Tauh State. Did you become familiar with him at all

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Speaker 1: while he was here. What do you know about him?

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Speaker 2: But he was with he was with the James White team.

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Speaker 2: I know. James White posted a picture on this in

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Speaker 2: Twitter about that, and he was like, man to take

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Speaker 2: a look at the roster and see if he was

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Speaker 2: on the roster, like he even and forgot about it.

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Speaker 2: But no, he was one of those guys that get

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Speaker 2: over with Huggs and Eric Martin at West Virginia. He's worked.

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Speaker 2: When you're a grand assistant, you do a lot of

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Speaker 2: stuff that you don't get paid for. You're a lot

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Speaker 2: of hours, a lot of film sessions, a lot of

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Speaker 2: scouting reports, you're playing basketball. You're doing a lot of

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Speaker 2: stuff rest work that's just not on your job description.

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Speaker 2: You're doing whatever it takes, so you outwork a lot

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Speaker 2: of people because of the position that you're in. And

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Speaker 2: to see him have success everywhere he's been and to

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Speaker 2: see that they were they won't yesterday. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if they what time they played today, but well coached structure,

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Speaker 2: toughness to it, and they have some strategy at the

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Speaker 2: end of games. I believe that he would be because

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Speaker 2: he was the guy. Now obviously, can they can consider

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Speaker 2: other people as well, But if he was a guy,

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Speaker 2: I'd be comfortable with that.

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Speaker 1: Uh, you are as close to this pros as anybody

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Speaker 1: coaches players, people who are connected to it, folks who

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Speaker 1: fund the program. You've been here for a very long time.

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Speaker 1: Is what's needed for any head coach in place to

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Speaker 1: be successful very early during their tenure.

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Speaker 2: Well yes, Well, first of all, let's just say if

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Speaker 2: it was cay Hole, I wouldn't want to snatch it Personally,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to snatch him away from his team.

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Speaker 2: I would want him to finish the tournament and then

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Speaker 2: come over for a couple of reasons. One, I think

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Speaker 2: it's unfair for the guys that he coach started alone

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Speaker 2: to pull him away before he gets a chance, almost

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Speaker 2: like what we did with football back in the day.

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Speaker 2: I would like for him to finish because I want

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Speaker 2: him hardened to NCAA mindset. I want him going and

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Speaker 2: playing in tough games and using strategy in in game

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Speaker 2: situations and learning how to win tournament games. I want

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Speaker 2: his brain spa new dimensions with the NCAA mindset. Whether

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Speaker 2: he wins the tournament, goes in the final fourstree sixteen,

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Speaker 2: or whatever I want him playing. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: snatch him and the team goes to the tournament and

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Speaker 2: not give him the experience of coaching in the tournament.

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Speaker 2: When we're hiring him to take us to the tournament

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Speaker 2: and be successful in the tournament, well, he could probably

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Speaker 2: take us there. But if he doesn't have the ability

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Speaker 2: to coach in the tournament because we pulled them away,

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Speaker 2: he's not growing to the point where we want him

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Speaker 2: to come in from day one with that mentality, with

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Speaker 2: the roster to the honestable because the money is there.

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Speaker 2: I want him to be able to say, look, all

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Speaker 2: we need is this player. This player, make a little

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Speaker 2: tweets and changes here, and we can make a deep run.

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Speaker 2: Because he likes the roster, he likes the environment, he

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Speaker 2: likes everything that takes to be successful at Cincinnati. He

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Speaker 2: understands the foundation. It's been better since he's been gone.

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Speaker 2: And if he returns, whoever returns, I would like them

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Speaker 2: to have a mentality that, look, NCAA is floor. It

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Speaker 2: is just the floor. We're not worried about just trying

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Speaker 2: to get in the NCAA. Guess we haven't been there

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Speaker 2: in a while, but that's the floor. We have enough

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Speaker 2: resources to get the talent that we need to make

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Speaker 2: deep runs every year. Whether we've made the deep runs

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Speaker 2: every year is not the question. We have the talent,

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Speaker 2: and we should be in the conversation every year.

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Speaker 1: Oh, appreciate the time on short notice. Man. By the way,

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Speaker 1: Jered Calhoun's team plays on Nevada tonight. I'm rooting for

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Speaker 1: them just because they're playing Nevada in the Mountain West Tournament.

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Speaker 1: That game tips off at nine thirty this evening. I

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Speaker 1: know you have a lot going on, man, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you jumping on. We'll see you soon.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you, mo.

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Speaker 1: That's our guy, Terry Nelson, radio analysts for UC basketball.

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