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Speaker 4: It's a Monday, which means we're at Twin Peaks today.

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Speaker 4: You have both league championship series underway in baseball. You

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Speaker 4: football games UC versus Oklahoma State, the nationally ranked Bearcats

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Speaker 4: other libations. James Rapeen is with us. Let's uh, let's

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Speaker 4: make sure there's no elephant in the room first.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's do it. I wish Tony Pike was sitting there.

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Speaker 1: That's fair. I get it, me too, me too.

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Speaker 4: And I've done this show with Tony on Mondays for

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Speaker 5: I produced the first one you did.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I remember you and Tony hit it off.

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Speaker 4: I thought it should be the James and the Tony

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Speaker 4: and James Football Show. In the absence of Tony. There

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Speaker 4: is legitimately nobody else I'd rather have here than you.

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Speaker 4: So I can't thank you enough for doing this. I

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Speaker 4: wouldn't have blamed you had you said screw that, I

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Speaker 4: ain't doing that. You know you have big shoes to fill,

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Speaker 4: not sure i'd be here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah one, I get it. You're one thousand, right, big

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Speaker 5: I'm filling in for Tony, I make fun of them

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Speaker 1: I don't want to make fun of them. Make fun

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Speaker 5: I don't want to because he might come pummel me.

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Speaker 5: And this is the only time I would admit.

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Speaker 4: Let me tell you something, the guy spent like four

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Speaker 1: all means we're we're Tony is fair game.

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Speaker 5: But really excited to be here, not excited about the circumstances,

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Speaker 4: I know which I want to talk about. We would

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Speaker 4: Jim Kelly.

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Speaker 4: There are a few football figures in this city whose

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Speaker 1: He was fighting cancer. He did not go down without

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Speaker 1: And I put this on social media.

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Speaker 4: Jim and travel to god knows how many different cities

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Speaker 4: got a chance to go have dinner with Jim on

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Speaker 4: And we did that, and invariably the conversation would drift

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Speaker 4: He was an extraordinary family man. He was the kind

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Speaker 4: That stuff matters, It doesn't matter as much as the

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Speaker 4: to be sorely missed. He is going to be sorely

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Speaker 4: good things about him. I know, James, you knew Jim.

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Speaker 4: We were just talking. You're farewell to the radio station.

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Speaker 5: And Jim shows up and it's not like me and

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Speaker 5: But when you're producing and you know this and you

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Speaker 5: He was great the whole time. I've seen him at

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Speaker 4: But what he was as a broadcaster, and again this

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Speaker 4: But you would listen to a game done by Jim

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Speaker 4: And you know that it's becoming more and more difficult

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Speaker 1: James, it's been a week.

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Speaker 4: Can't thank you enough for philling Tony ced for me.

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Speaker 4: I viewed yesterday as a preseason game. This was Joe

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Speaker 4: While Joe Flacco learns the names of his guys, he's

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's fair. It was a fair way

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Speaker 1: No doubt about it.

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Speaker 5: How calm he was on the road when he's eight

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Speaker 5: It would be really easy to freak out, like I

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Speaker 4: If If you think Joe Flacco has had a great

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Speaker 5: Isn't that what you want? Isn't that why he's still playing? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Just imagine if he does help beat the Pittsburgh Steelers

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Speaker 5: It'll be a fun weekend, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 4: You've got acquired ten days before the game, you had

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Speaker 1: Help beat Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 4: And I mean to me that that game on Thursday

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Speaker 5: No right, seasons on the line Thursday.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the season's on the line for the Bengals,

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Speaker 1: Let's try it. Let's see if it were And in

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Speaker 1: the second half it did.

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Speaker 5: It did work, and he was calm, he was scanning

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Speaker 5: the field, seeing the field. Well, T Higgins had a

440
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Speaker 5: season high five catches.

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Speaker 1: Yeah about that.

442
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Speaker 5: A season high five catches for t Higgins. Just unbelievable

443
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Speaker 5: that we're saying that. But can Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna be Joe Burrow. Shocker.

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Speaker 5: There's like two people on the planet that might be

446
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Speaker 5: able to be Joe Burrow. Can he maximize what they

447
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Speaker 5: have skill wise? He's much closer to doing that than

448
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Speaker 5: where they.

449
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Speaker 1: Were a week ago.

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Speaker 5: And so that's why you bring him in. And part

451
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Speaker 5: of it, and I think why the Bengals were so

452
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Speaker 5: attracted to it was also that attitude in mindset. They

453
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Speaker 5: thought that he would come in with that ability, the

454
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Speaker 5: ability to lead by example and be calm when things

455
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Speaker 5: are a bit stressful because it's going to be hard. Sure,

456
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Speaker 5: it's not gonna be easy to go out there at

457
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Speaker 5: pay Course Stadium in front of the Bengals fans and

458
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Speaker 5: say hey, because there's gonna be a lot of Steelers

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Speaker 5: fans there one, No, two, Primetime three. It was pretty

460
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Speaker 5: good and so it's gonna be tough. Joe Flacko has

461
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Speaker 5: beat them eleven times in the regular season. He's eleven

462
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Speaker 5: and eleven against them, and that's better than owing to

463
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Speaker 5: Jake Browning.

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Speaker 1: So they have a chance. You're better than an zero

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Speaker 1: to two Jake Browning.

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Speaker 5: You're not the first person I said that to me.

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Speaker 4: Coming back to that, like, the last few weeks, yeah

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Speaker 4: have sucked.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's no other way to put it.

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Speaker 4: From Joe Burrow getting hurt to the three consecutive losses,

471
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Speaker 4: it's just been this avalanche of bad yep. And so

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Speaker 4: I'm watching Joe Flacco and it's like, that's the first

473
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Speaker 4: smiling face I've seen from anybody connected to this franchise

474
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Speaker 4: in over a month, Like all right, it just it

475
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Speaker 4: felt like a breath of fresh air. It felt like,

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Speaker 4: all right, let's guys, let's see if this works. If

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Speaker 4: it doesn't work, okay, but if it does, game on.

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Speaker 4: And now, because I thought going into the game they

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Speaker 4: would lose. Now for me, it's game on.

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Speaker 1: Let's go.

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Speaker 5: You have a shot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all you're asking for.

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Speaker 5: After you lose one thirteen to thirty seven in three games,

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Speaker 5: When you lose a lot that you're like, all right, well,

485
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Speaker 5: how do we get back in it?

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Speaker 1: A little bit?

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Speaker 5: I think the locker room needed it. Honestly, I think

488
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Speaker 5: the coaching staff needed it and they feel like they

489
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Speaker 5: can go play against these higher end teams and have

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Speaker 5: a chance. And I don't think they felt that after

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Speaker 5: those three games. I think it was like, Ah, we're

492
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Speaker 5: in trouble right.

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Speaker 4: More on Joe Flacco coming up and admity more. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 4: the script was familiar for the defense. We'll spend some

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Speaker 4: time on that when we come back. It's twenty seven

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Speaker 4: Trey Hendrickson, Zach Taylor today said day today.

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Speaker 1: And MRI is clean.

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Speaker 4: According to Ian Rappaport, Hendrickson left yesterday's game with the

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Speaker 4: back issue. Zach also expressed optimism that Shamar Stewart can

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Speaker 4: maybe go on Thursday. Not so much for Mike Kasicki,

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Speaker 4: who Taylor says will be out quote a while with

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Speaker 4: a pectoral injury. Thursday Night Football Line on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 4: Pre game coverage begins at three o'clock. Former Bengals offensive

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Speaker 4: coordinator Brian Callahan has been fired by the Tennessee Titans.

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Speaker 4: Two Monday night football games Tonight, Bells and Falcons in

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Speaker 4: Atlanta on ESPN fifteen thirty. Bears and Commanders in suburban

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Speaker 4: Washington on Fox Sports thirteen sixty. The University of Cincinnati

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Speaker 4: and our family here at iHeart Medium more in the

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Speaker 4: passing of Jim Kelly. Jim served on our radio crew

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Speaker 4: on uc football broadcast for thirty five years. He passed

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Speaker 4: away surrounded by his family last night. Jim is in

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Speaker 4: the school's athletics Hall of Fame, which carries his father's name.

533
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Speaker 4: His alma mater ranked in the top twenty five for

534
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Speaker 4: the first time since November of twenty twenty two. U

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Speaker 4: SEE is twenty fourth in both major polls. Max Fletcher

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Speaker 4: named the Big twelve Special Teams Player of the Week

537
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Speaker 4: for his performance, and Cincinnati's went over UCF. Ohio State

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Speaker 4: remains first in both polls, Indiana third in both major polls.

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Speaker 4: The marktops radio shows tonight at six on ESPN fifteen third.

540
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Speaker 4: The baseball playoffs a pair of league Championship Series games

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Speaker 4: in Toronto, It's Mariners and Blue Jays. Seattle won game

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Speaker 4: one last night. Game two a little bit after six

543
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Speaker 4: o'clock at in Milwaukee, it's game one of the National

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Speaker 4: League Championship Series between the Brewers and Dodgers first pitch.

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Speaker 4: A little bit after eight pm. We're Twin Peaks in Westchester,

546
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Speaker 4: the James and mow Football Show on ESPN fifteen thirty. So,

547
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Speaker 4: like I told you off air and on, I didn't

548
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Speaker 4: think the Bengals were gonna win the game.

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Speaker 1: Sure nobody really did.

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Speaker 4: No, So I wasn't gonna judge the performance based on

551
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Speaker 4: the results. It was gonna be does Flacco look like

552
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Speaker 4: he can maybe win you some football games? If they

553
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Speaker 4: had any chance of winning, the defense was gonna have

554
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Speaker 4: to be the major reason why. In the second half

555
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Speaker 4: last night, it was the major reason why they lost.

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Speaker 1: They were awful. They were awful.

557
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Speaker 5: You can't get it, can't get a stop a stop.

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Speaker 5: And the one that really stands out to me. You

559
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Speaker 5: have all this momentum, You've gotten a two point conversion,

560
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Speaker 5: you're down six to twenty four eighteen, there's two thirty

561
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Speaker 5: two left, third and eight. Get off the field, find

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Speaker 5: a way to get off the field.

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Speaker 1: And I get it.

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Speaker 5: You don't have Trey Hendrickson, come on, you're on the road.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 5: He had over four seconds to throw. Yeah, I mean,

567
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Speaker 5: I mean it was waiting for a Jeopardy. I mean,

568
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Speaker 5: it's just plenty of time. He wrote two Jeopardy answers

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Speaker 5: in that time. And then Matthew Golden, of course, who

570
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Speaker 5: has his best day as a rookie with a thirty

571
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Speaker 5: what thirty one yarder? I believe it was against Jordan

572
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Speaker 5: Battle and he had two thirty yard catches, like just

573
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Speaker 5: can't happen, And I thought I never allowed myself, had

574
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Speaker 5: a whole game story written about how they lost. When

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Speaker 5: it got to third and eight, I was like, oh man,

576
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Speaker 5: I need to start the crazy comeback Flacco debut story

577
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Speaker 5: because it's close. And then Jordan Battle on this defense

578
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Speaker 5: couldn't get a.

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Speaker 1: Stop, so.

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Speaker 4: They cut it to ten seven. Green baygos sixty six

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Speaker 4: yards on nine play.

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Speaker 5: Yea instant, instant after a seventeen play drive, just instantly.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they cut it to seventeen to ten.

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Speaker 4: Green Bay goes sixty two plays and sixty two yards

585
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Speaker 4: on six plays.

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Speaker 1: They cut it to twenty four to eighteen. You just

587
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Speaker 1: mentioned the seven play, forty one yard drive that ended

588
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Speaker 1: with a field goal. Not unlike fourth quarter last Sunday

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Speaker 1: against Detroit, where okay, they've kind of gotten back and

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Speaker 1: if they're down eleven ten and a half to go tough,

591
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Speaker 1: uphill battle but not insurmountable. Get a stop.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and instead Detroit, I think six plays never got

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Speaker 4: to third down on that drive. And so you know

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Speaker 4: this before the season, it's they've just got to be

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Speaker 4: league average. Okay, well that math changes when you don't

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Speaker 4: have Joe Burrow. And then to me, it comes back

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Speaker 4: to what I often asked during the summer, which was, yes,

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Speaker 4: they've got to be league average, but when they have

599
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Speaker 4: to get a stop, whether that's to finish a game

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Speaker 4: or give the ball back to Joe Burrow or in

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Speaker 4: this instance, give the ball back to Joe Flacco, can

602
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Speaker 4: you get a stop?

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Speaker 1: The answer repeatedly this year has been no.

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Speaker 4: I don't put much of that on al Golden Maybe

605
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Speaker 4: I should I put that on a on a defense.

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Speaker 4: It's got like pretty much the same collection of dudes

607
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Speaker 4: as last year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, what playmakers do they have? What guys do you

609
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Speaker 5: look at and do you say, all right, this guy

610
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Speaker 5: is gonna make a play on third and eight. I

611
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Speaker 5: mentioned Trey Hendrickson all right. I think Sam Mark Stewart

612
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Speaker 5: could be one of those guys. He's not there yet.

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Speaker 5: Is there anybody else. No, the answer is no, even

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Speaker 5: on a day when DJ Turner has five past breakups,

615
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Speaker 5: just don't throw to DJ Turner.

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Speaker 1: There now he's mutualized.

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Speaker 5: And outside of that, there isn't there's not a guy

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Speaker 5: that you can bank on. And so for Al Golden

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Speaker 5: or Luennaruma last year and this was lose point.

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Speaker 1: Uh. This is why I think he.

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Speaker 5: Went to the athletic over the weekend, is like, Hey,

622
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Speaker 5: this is it, this is why it's working in India.

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Speaker 5: And then why because they don't have those kind of dudes.

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Speaker 1: They have a lot of.

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Speaker 5: Okay, like Jordan Metell okay, Gino st okay. Starting two

626
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 5: rookie linebackers, who's stunk? I thought they were a pair.

627
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Speaker 5: Barrett Carter was awful, lot of tackle. He may end

628
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Speaker 5: up being really good, Yeah, yesterday he was not. And

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Speaker 5: so who's making the play nobody? You don't have, you

630
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Speaker 5: don't have anyone. I do think that that linebacker situation

631
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Speaker 5: is really weird because Logan maybe he's lost a step.

632
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Speaker 5: I don't think he's been so bad that you're benching

633
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 5: him for a fourth round pick right now.

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Speaker 1: What's interesting to me is after the first game, you

635
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Speaker 1: did the show and I said to you, like the

636
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Speaker 1: first game against Cleveland was the first time that during

637
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Speaker 1: the game, I said, like, man, there's Logan Wilson.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so I had really high hopes that this

639
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Speaker 4: would work. I don't think his play has been as

640
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Speaker 4: good as it was then. I also don't think he

641
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Speaker 4: has stood out for being atrocious, no doubt.

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Speaker 5: And so that's I don't get it. I don't understand.

643
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Speaker 5: So you have a new coach and Mike codgees at linebacker.

644
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Speaker 5: Obviously you have Al Golden.

645
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Speaker 1: What is it? Yeah?

646
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Speaker 5: Like, is it is there behind the seat? And that's

647
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Speaker 5: something that I'm going to investigate all week because it

648
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Speaker 5: I can't look at what Barrett Carter did yesterday, what

649
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Speaker 5: those linebackers did, what Josh Jacobs did, to be more clear, Yeah,

650
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Speaker 5: five point two at Carrie. He entered the game averaging

651
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Speaker 5: three point three yard to carry. It's not like the

652
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Speaker 5: Packers or this juggernut rushing attack. And that's the number

653
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Speaker 5: one thing you can't do if you're the Bengals defense

654
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Speaker 5: is give up the run. And they did. And so

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Speaker 5: I do put a lot of that on those linebackers.

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Speaker 5: Whether it's fair or not. It just feels like those

657
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Speaker 5: guys weren't where they should be in key moments and

658
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Speaker 5: on rundowns.

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Speaker 1: Should I be giving Al gold in the past that

660
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Speaker 1: I seem willing to give him. I don't know, man,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that there's a scheme that could overcome

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Speaker 1: what they don't have.

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Speaker 5: Fine, I get that he took the job and wanted

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Speaker 5: the job and all of those things. There's one Zach

665
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Speaker 5: Taylor thought they had more talent on defense than they

666
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Speaker 5: had last year, or at least that it looked.

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Speaker 1: Like they had. Does Zach watch the game defense?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good question. Al knew what he was

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Speaker 5: signing up for. I think their plan to a degree

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Speaker 5: was probably presented to him, and if not, it should

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Speaker 5: have been their offseason plan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And so like, I'm sure Al didn't take the job

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Speaker 4: thinking they were going to overhaul the defense.

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Speaker 1: I get that.

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Speaker 4: I just don't know that, like you could sit down

677
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Speaker 4: to figure out what your game plan is going to

678
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Speaker 4: be and go, you know what, I can come up

679
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Speaker 4: with schemes to overcome what I don't have, because what

680
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Speaker 4: he doesn't have is pretty much anything.

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Speaker 5: And so I agree with you in a vacuum that's

682
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Speaker 5: fair because I just said they don't have enough playmate r.

683
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Speaker 5: But I was told this was going to be a

684
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Speaker 5: better defense. I was told that they were going to

685
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Speaker 5: be improved enough. And now you've benched Logan Wilson and

686
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Speaker 5: he can't be happy.

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Speaker 1: And Al Goldman was supposed to bring out the best

688
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Speaker 1: in Logan Wilson. That was the thing, all the.

689
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Speaker 5: Best in Miles Murphy and the best of j Justicosai

690
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Speaker 5: and the best.

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Speaker 1: And so.

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Speaker 5: If you the moment Trey goes down, you're like, all right, well,

693
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Speaker 5: who's going to get a stop, who's going to get

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Speaker 5: a sack? Who's going to make a play? And you're

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Speaker 5: talking about DJ Turner, Dax Hill maybe, like there's just

696
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Speaker 5: not many guys where you're like, oh, well they could

697
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Speaker 5: make a play. Yeah, that's where I'm like, Okay, why

698
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Speaker 5: didn't you go get a safety? Why didn't you get

699
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Speaker 5: a veteran linebacker instead of putting all your eggs in

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Speaker 5: the Logan Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Basket or the Bears come on now?

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Speaker 5: But honestly, like because yeah, I just they didn't do

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Speaker 5: enough and they they're clearly banking on too many rookies.

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Speaker 5: I mean, think about it. If Shamar Stewart starts. Let's

705
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Speaker 5: say Trey doesn't plan, Shamar Stewart starts. Shamar is going

706
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Speaker 5: to start. Two rookie linebackers are going to start, and

707
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Speaker 5: then you're gonna have if Dylan Fairchild's healthy to offense.

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Speaker 5: That's five rookies starting in a must win game on

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Speaker 5: Thursday night football against the Pittsburgh Steelers. That's a tough.

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Speaker 1: Ask with Joe Burrow, no question.

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Speaker 4: If Shamar Stewart doesn't play, And again Zach did express

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Speaker 4: some optimism that he could.

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Speaker 5: I'm optimistic he will.

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Speaker 4: And if Trey Hendrickson can't go, word is your past

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Speaker 4: for us? I mean I'm asking rhetorically because I don't

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Speaker 4: think there's a concrete answer.

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Speaker 5: Oh, you need to be mister miaging Trey Hendrickson right now.

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Speaker 5: You know, maybe that's why you don't bring him back,

719
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Speaker 5: because if MRI I was mean, it's a back contusion.

720
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Speaker 5: He's probably super sore. Sure, how do you get unsore?

721
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Speaker 5: How do you get as pain free as possible on

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Speaker 5: Thursday night for four hours? Because that's what they need.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's no there's no way around it.

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Speaker 4: And so okay, there's maybe a glimmer of hope because

725
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Speaker 4: of the way Joe Flacco and the offense performed in

726
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Speaker 4: the second half. Yeah, this defense has given me no

727
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Speaker 4: reason for hoping. The Pittsburgh Steelers don't have the world's

728
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Speaker 4: most explosive offense, but Aaron Rodgers is still Aaron Rodgers.

729
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Speaker 4: DK metcalf had a big game yesterday against the good

730
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Speaker 4: Cleveland team, good Cleveland defense, and so you could say, well,

731
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Speaker 4: Flacco gives them a reason to compete, and I believe that,

732
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Speaker 4: but the defense is a reason why it's hard to

733
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Speaker 4: imagine them winning a game that they're not favored to win.

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Speaker 5: Who's gonna righte the Cam Taylor BRIT's gonna channel his

735
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Speaker 5: inner twenty twenty two against Dk Metcalfe story this week.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm not, I have no I love him

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Speaker 5: like as a human.

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Speaker 1: It hasn't happened. It's what is going on?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Like I I I think I'd be on the

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Speaker 9: phone with Indy right now seeing if there's any That's

741
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Speaker 9: what I would do, because it just doesn't fit.

742
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Speaker 1: It's not working. It's not working.

743
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Speaker 5: And yeah, DK metcalf is gonna bully DJ Turner because

744
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 5: he's much bigger, but it's not working with camp.

745
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Speaker 1: So what are you gonna do yeah.

746
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Speaker 4: So that to me looms over like there's this jolts

747
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Speaker 4: of optimism that I think most are trying to cling to.

748
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Speaker 1: And I get it.

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Speaker 4: Man, it beats the way we've talked about them coming

750
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Speaker 4: out of the last three games. But they need their

751
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 4: defense to help them win. They need their defense now

752
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Speaker 4: to be more than just an accessory. They need their

753
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Speaker 4: defense to do more than just be along for the

754
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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow ride. They need to get stops in the

755
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Speaker 4: second half against the Pittsburgh Steelers, a physical team, I

756
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Speaker 4: just I don't expect it. They against a Hall of

757
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Speaker 4: Fame quarterback. They need to be very O five ish

758
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Speaker 4: an opportunistic defense. They're not gonna just get stop after

759
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 4: stop after It's just not gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: And I get it.

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Speaker 5: Turnovers are really hard to cause and really hard to force.

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Speaker 5: You're gonna have to get to a game like that's

763
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Speaker 5: kind of the blueprint.

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Speaker 1: And they got.

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Speaker 5: One, and if you get two, then it's probably a

766
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Speaker 5: different game. And that's probably going to be the case

767
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Speaker 5: on Thursday night. Do they have a strip sack on

768
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Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers? Do they get a pick? Do are they

769
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Speaker 5: able to make that happen. If so, and they can

770
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Speaker 5: take care of the football, well then we might be

771
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Speaker 5: talking about the defense being a bit different. But as

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Speaker 5: far as them getting stop after stop after stop, I

773
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Speaker 5: just don't think they're going to be that consistent. I

774
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Speaker 5: don't think they have enough playmakers. Could they be good

775
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Speaker 5: enough to force a couple of turnovers?

776
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Speaker 1: Maybe? Maybe so with flacos, and the answer becomes, can

777
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Speaker 1: you win a high scoring game? Oh?

778
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Speaker 5: If this team is good, their offense has to carry them.

779
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 5: That's still the case. That didn't change because Joe Burrow's out.

780
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Speaker 5: That's why you take a few looks at Jake Browning

781
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 5: and you're like, this can't work. It's not gonna work.

782
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Speaker 1: Now. Is Joe Flacco going to give you enough? We'll see.

783
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Speaker 1: I wish I wish they had.

784
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Speaker 5: Been a tad more aggressive and free agency, which I've

785
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 5: said for most most of my life.

786
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Speaker 1: When it comes to the Bengal.

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Speaker 5: You're talking about the defense, Yeah, well they didn't make

788
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Speaker 5: any what TJ. Slayton, which is fine because you finally

789
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Speaker 5: have a nose tackle. You didn't even have a nose

790
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Speaker 5: tackle last year, so we that's the bare minimum, right.

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Speaker 4: My thing all off season was did you watch last

792
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Speaker 4: year secondary sure, and they literally did nothing to it,

793
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Speaker 4: not in the draft, not in free agency. So when

794
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 4: I see Cam Taylor get the Cam Taylor brick get

795
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 4: benched again, I go, I saw that last year. When

796
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Speaker 4: I see Geno Stone taking angles like he was a

797
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 4: tackle or seven like, I go, well, gee.

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Speaker 1: We saw that last year.

799
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Speaker 4: When I see Jordan Battle get beat in coverage, I go, well,

800
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 4: we saw that last year. So that, to me is

801
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 4: the frustrating part is the recurring themes, the same guys

802
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Speaker 4: doing the things that caused last season to get wasted

803
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Speaker 4: and got lou and or Rumol fired. I see those

804
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Speaker 4: same things and then like not a genius or anything,

805
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Speaker 4: but all off season I was one of those raising

806
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Speaker 4: my hand going are we sure, we're sure we're doing this?

807
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Speaker 4: And so that is deeply frustrating, deeply frustrating that, hey,

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Speaker 4: we we saw this coming, they did nothing about it, and.

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Speaker 1: Now here are the results.

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Speaker 4: And when the game is hanging in the balance, the

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Speaker 4: inability to get stops, get off the field, give your

812
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Speaker 4: offense a chance. It's it's part of what killed last

813
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Speaker 4: season and it could still doom them this year.

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Speaker 5: In the narrative, I don't buy I've heard this a

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Speaker 5: lot today. Oh well, the offense made the defense beyond

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Speaker 5: the field so much in the first half. Come on, man, okay, well,

817
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Speaker 5: you've had like two hours of real time to get

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Speaker 5: get your wind and get a stop. The Bengals offense

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Speaker 5: had a seventeen play drive last ten minutes after half time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were well rested. I don't want to hear it.

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Speaker 5: And they proceeded to give up what a seven play

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Speaker 4: Quite literally said, I said, this is the most well

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Speaker 5: No, they they I think Jamar had sleep number mattresses though,

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Speaker 5: to the sideline for the entire defense on that first drive.

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Speaker 3: on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 4: Hi, here we go, Middle Hour. It's the James and

873
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Speaker 4: Mo Football Show. By the way, I haven't slipped up

874
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 4: yet in college. You haven't Tony and mofootball show. I

875
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Speaker 4: did at the outset intentionally.

876
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Speaker 1: Sure, that's fair.

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Speaker 4: I was workshopping some names. I did two, not Tony

878
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Speaker 4: and Mo Football Show. Wish it was Tony and Mo

879
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 4: Football Show. But I think the James and Mo Football

880
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Speaker 4: Show works.

881
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,479
Speaker 1: You know why because Mo rhymes with show. That That's fine.

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00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: Let's be honest. At the end of the day, that's

883
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Speaker 1: all that. That's all that mattered.

884
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 4: He used to be the the Rock and Mo Football Show,

885
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 4: as you well know, when Rocky Boyman did the show.

886
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 5: With me, so rock and show they don't rhyme.

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Speaker 1: Prior to that, it was Mohawk mondays we go back.

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Speaker 4: I'm not new here. I'm not new here. James Repine

889
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Speaker 4: is with us. But by the way, lambeau Field, you

890
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Speaker 4: were there.

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Speaker 1: Ye got back at like six o'clock in the morning, right,

892
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Speaker 1: not your first lambeau Field experience.

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Speaker 4: Second, I know there were a lot of fans who

894
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Speaker 4: made the trip. Our buddy Austin Elmore went up there

895
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Speaker 4: to the game. For those who haven't been, what's.

896
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Speaker 5: It like it feels like football heaven, a football haven,

897
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 5: a historical place that is so unique because of the

898
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 5: tailgating around and where you park. I mean we parked

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Speaker 5: in someone's yard that was the media parking, like next

900
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Speaker 5: to a house. Yeah, that's no, you can't do that

901
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 5: anywhere else. And you walk to the stadium and just

902
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 5: really awesome. I was I was jealous of the tailgators.

903
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Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie, sure, but this was my first

904
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Speaker 5: time seeing the media side of Lambeau. I went as

905
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 5: a fan last time I went, and yeah, it was great.

906
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 5: It was great, every bit of it. And you very

907
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Speaker 5: rarely do I take a picture on a field.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh.

909
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 5: I took a picture on out on their field. Yeah,

910
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 5: because I did my stand up down there, absolutely, so

911
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Speaker 5: I had to. So yeah, worth the trip for sure.

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Speaker 4: I went to that game the last time the Bengals

913
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Speaker 4: were there in twenty seventeen. It's the friendliest football crowd

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Speaker 4: I've ever been around. Yes, And I think venues like

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Speaker 4: that that they know are like bucket list destinations. They

916
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Speaker 4: know opposing fans are coming, they know opposing fans are

917
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Speaker 4: coming for a unique experience, and so they don't get

918
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Speaker 4: offended if you're not rooting for their team, right, they

919
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 4: root for theirs, sure, and do so passionately. But like

920
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 4: that was my thing, and I've said that about a

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Speaker 4: few different things. I think a Wrigley Field, for the

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Speaker 4: most part, is that way. They know other teams fans

923
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Speaker 4: want to come to this venue, and so they're used

924
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Speaker 4: to it. They're not bothered by it, and so they

925
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Speaker 4: don't behave in a way that would suggest they are.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's a good it's a good comp

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Speaker 5: I've been at Wrigley once, Lambo twice, and in those

928
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Speaker 5: those compare, i haven't been to Fenway to.

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Speaker 1: Compare that one. Yeah, but similar is it similar? Yeah?

930
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Speaker 1: Similar vibe. I've been to Fendway not to see the Reds.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, they know fans make pilgrimages to come to

932
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Speaker 4: fend Way Park, and so I'm sure New York Yankee

933
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Speaker 4: fans who visit would disagree it's a little bit different.

934
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Speaker 4: But for the most part, I think they understand, like

935
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Speaker 4: folks cross this item off their bucket list, and to

936
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Speaker 4: do so, they typically try to see their team.

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Speaker 5: I think it's rare in the NFL. Yeah, then baseball,

938
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Speaker 5: and that's what makes Lambo so unique. Yeah, is it's

939
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Speaker 5: like college town feel almost with elite tailgating, but you

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Speaker 5: have all the history and you have the the the

941
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Speaker 5: Lambeau Tour, which I did ten years ago when I

942
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Speaker 5: went the first time, just just awesome.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a I like Milwaukee. M'd have been you

944
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Speaker 4: were Milwaukee had the game.

945
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Speaker 5: Fine, yeah Milwaukee that didn't go to it, But yeah,

946
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Speaker 5: I need to see some more hits.

947
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Speaker 1: Not enough. That's a cool ballpark too.

948
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Speaker 5: By the way it drove by, it looked amazing.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of out in the middle of nowhere. It

950
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Speaker 4: would have been people tailgate, but it's cool ballpark. Two

951
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Speaker 4: all right, Bengals lose to the Packers twenty seven to eighteen.

952
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Speaker 4: Zach Taylor yesterday in the first half of the game.

953
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Speaker 4: I don't really look at social media during Bengals games,

954
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 4: but I took a glimpse. Yeah, he was taking a beating,

955
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 4: roasted for the play calling in the game.

956
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 1: Play roasted. Yes, did he deserve it.

957
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Speaker 5: It's so tough to judge because of the situation on

958
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Speaker 5: the road at Lambeau. We just talked about it for

959
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 5: five minutes about how unique of a place that is. Obviously,

960
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 5: Packers fans are super loud, and the guy that you're

961
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 5: starting at quarterback was there for four days. I don't

962
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Speaker 5: even count the Tuesday because he was riding down and

963
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 5: talking four days and now he's starting in a game

964
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 5: like it's it's just it's really tough. Was it super

965
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 5: underwhelming in the first half? Yeah, it's They stunk four

966
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Speaker 5: first downs and three of them came on their final

967
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Speaker 5: drive when Evan McPherson's attempting a field goal from heaven.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's a really tough, tough ask, and so

969
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Speaker 5: I get the frustration, But if you look at it

970
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Speaker 5: in a vacuum, I don't think it's an excuse to say, well,

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Speaker 5: Joe Flacco just got there. And so if they go

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Speaker 5: out again this week and they suck in the first

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Speaker 5: half again, well then I am.

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Speaker 1: Gonna point out Zach Taylor. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think on the road Lambeau Packers, good defense. You

976
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Speaker 5: don't want to turn the ball over a bunch of

977
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Speaker 5: times early and play yourself out of the game. I

978
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Speaker 5: get why it was how it was, but I also

979
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Speaker 5: don't want to see any dump offster Drew sample behind

980
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Speaker 5: the line of scrimmage because that's not gonna work out.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 4: Agree with that I didn't love the first and the

983
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 4: first half game management. They called three timeouts to gain

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Speaker 4: thirty three yards. They had to scramble to put Evan

985
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Speaker 4: in a position to try a sixty seven yarder, which

986
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Speaker 4: you feel bad for him because.

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Speaker 1: He makes it. He trilled it, drills, he trilled it.

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00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 4: You know, the one time that you could say, like

989
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 4: icing the kicker were not because they necessarily iced him,

990
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Speaker 4: but because they knew if he makes this one, he

991
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Speaker 4: ain't gonna make it again.

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Speaker 1: And he didn't.

993
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Speaker 4: And then you know later in the game, the same

994
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Speaker 4: game where he would have set the all time record

995
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Speaker 4: for longest field goalie misses, the one that would have

996
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 4: pulled him within six late I expected. I expected a

997
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 4: really rough first half because it's just throw all the

998
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 4: circumstances on the road, decent team, rest advantage Green Bay.

999
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Speaker 4: Micah Parsons, who was not a huge factor yesterday, new quarterback.

1000
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Speaker 4: Like I expected clunkiness in the first half. That doesn't

1001
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Speaker 4: excuse the way they managed the end of the first half.

1002
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Speaker 4: I just if you thought that they were gonna start

1003
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Speaker 4: grabbing pages of the playbook that they haven't tapped into yet,

1004
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 4: I think you were expecting something that was kind of unfair.

1005
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought in the first half, maybe they get

1006
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Speaker 5: an explosive maybe Jamar breaks a tackle and takes one. Yeah,

1007
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 5: our tee does a te thing and makes a big

1008
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Speaker 5: play downfield. And that's what I didn't like in something

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00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 5: that needs to evolve starting this week. You have to

1010
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 5: find a way to push the ball down the field.

1011
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 5: Yes's longest completion, as great as it was in the

1012
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 5: second half, his longest completion of the game, nineteen yards,

1013
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 5: it's got to be like thirty nine yards minimum to

1014
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 5: allay against the Steelers, you know, Like, yeah, part of

1015
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 5: why you get Joe Flaccos so he can push the

1016
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Speaker 5: ball down field. So that to me is on Zach.

1017
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 5: How do you create some explosive plays. I need to

1018
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 5: see that. I also need first half points and first

1019
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 5: half touchdown. Do you can you remember the last first

1020
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 5: half touchdown that the Bengals have had this year Jacksonville

1021
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow four yard pass, Yeah to Jamar Chase against

1022
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 5: Jacksonville in that first half.

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Speaker 1: Because the forty eight three twenty eight three, twenty eight three,

1024
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Speaker 1: I mean, don't have to go There's a lot of threes,

1025
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Speaker 1: a lot of threes, a lot of threes, a lot

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00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: of lopsided scores.

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Speaker 4: Yes, quarter a haft for four ESPN fifteen thirty. I

1028
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 4: want to look ahead to Thursday in a game against

1029
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 4: the Steelers, which we always look forward to. But the

1030
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 4: the difference between two and five and three and four

1031
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 4: seems massive and it feels like it's more than one game.

1032
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Speaker 1: We'll do that when we come back.

1033
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 4: Twin Peaks in Westchester, The James and Mo Football Show

1034
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 4: on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 8: ongoing roadwork delays to Shepherd by Brick shremp with traffic this.

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Speaker 3: Week It's Taylor versus Chumblin on Thursday Night Football. The

1046
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 3: Bengals look to toss the Steelers into the recycling bin.

1047
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 3: There's a lot I can say about Pittsburgh, but none

1048
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 3: of it can be set up on our radio. The

1049
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 3: Bengals slug it out with the Steelers. Thursday coverage begins

1050
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 3: at three pm. Stream for free on the new and

1051
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Speaker 3: approved iHeartRadio app or ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home

1052
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Speaker 3: of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 11: This is Football in the NATI, brought to you by

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Speaker 11: Modern Office Methods on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home

1055
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Speaker 11: of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 4: Twenty minutes after four o'clock, This is ESPN fifteen thirty

1057
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Speaker 4: Mo Edger with James Upene broadcasting from Twin Peaks in Westchester,

1058
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 4: The James and Mo Football Show. We're gonna get into

1059
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 4: everything that happened around the AFC North coming up in

1060
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 4: just a bit, but we.

1061
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Speaker 1: Turned the page quickly.

1062
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 4: Man Bengals and Steelers on Thursday Night at home. Cincinnati

1063
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 4: was slaughtered by Pittsburgh in their own building last year.

1064
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 4: Got their come up in this week eighteen last season.

1065
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 4: Another primetime game. The different between two and five, which

1066
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Speaker 4: is what the Bengals would fall to if they lose

1067
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 4: on Thursday, and three and four with a little bit

1068
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 4: more time before their next game feels massive.

1069
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Speaker 5: It's massive in every way. It's massive from a oh,

1070
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 5: you're still in it standpoint, Yeah, your season is still alive,

1071
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 5: and let's start there. It's a kitchen sink game. M

1072
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 5: Zach Taylor has to throw everything at Mike Tomlin and

1073
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 5: the Steelers. Joe Flacco has to get his twelfth career

1074
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 5: win against Pittsburgh like they they have to get this

1075
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 5: game because if they don't, what are we gonna be

1076
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 5: talking about next Monday? Should you trade Trey Hendrickson? Should

1077
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 5: you go down this path of getting rid of some

1078
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 5: of these guys that are are win now players, And

1079
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 5: there's gonna be draft questions and we're gonna be doing

1080
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 5: that in October. I don't want to be doing that

1081
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 5: in October. No, I want to be talking about meaningful football.

1082
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 5: And so whatever Zach Taylor and Joe Flacco and these

1083
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 5: guys have to do to get a win, they have

1084
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 5: to do it to keep their season alive.

1085
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 4: Joe Flacco may be a Bengal for a couple of months,

1086
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 4: and who knows those where this season is gonna go.

1087
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 4: But if you beat the Pittsburgh Steelers under these circumstances,

1088
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 4: Joe Flacco is a chance to be a Bengals hero forever.

1089
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 4: I still think of Ryan Finland, yes, in those terms, right.

1090
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 4: Ryan Finley never played another NFL game after that game

1091
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 4: against the Steelers in twenty twenty. He completed seven passes

1092
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 4: last night. Maybe they didn't win it because of him,

1093
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 4: but Joe Flacco is a chance to be either a

1094
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 4: footnote in Bengals history or somebody we go. Hey, that career,

1095
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 4: which was a terrific career. It included a prime time

1096
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 4: win over the Pittsburgh Steelers.

1097
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 5: Remember when they traded for Joe Flacco and then the

1098
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 5: next week he beats the Steelers and keeps the Bengals

1099
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 5: season alive. Yeah, and they have all these other winnable

1100
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 5: games coming up, and suddenly they can go into the

1101
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 5: by potentially with a five hundred or better record.

1102
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1103
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 5: Like, that's what we're talking about, is the opportunity to

1104
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 5: do that. And so they play the Steelers twice in

1105
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 5: a month span. If you're gonna get back into it,

1106
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 5: you gotta sweep them.

1107
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: That's it.

1108
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 5: And you've dug yourself into this hole. But you're right,

1109
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 5: Joe Flacco, the Bengals legend is not something I ever

1110
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 5: thought of being an option when you think about his

1111
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 5: history in his past, and yet he's done in Baltimore.

1112
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 5: He led the Browns of the playoffs a couple of

1113
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 5: years ago. Now he's got a chance to do something

1114
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 5: similar for the Bengals. But it has to start Thursday

1115
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 5: Night against Pittsburgh.

1116
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,919
Speaker 4: And you talk about like re entering the race, it's

1117
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 4: keeping the Steelers from running away and hiding in Baltimore.

1118
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 4: They're watching their guy, Joe Flacco going, Okay, we're buying

1119
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 4: some time from Lamar Jackson. We still feel like we

1120
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 4: could be a factor, but we can't if Pittsburgh runs

1121
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 4: and hides. Right, So you need Cincinnati to win, if

1122
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 4: you're everybody else in the AFC, right, can you let

1123
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh start to be one of those teams that threatens

1124
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 4: for a number one seed?

1125
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: Right, that sort of thing.

1126
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 4: And so it's it's Thursday Night football, It's Bengals Steelers,

1127
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,240
Speaker 4: it's a rivalry. There's so much riding on this game.

1128
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 4: There's so much riding on this game for Cincinnati. There's

1129
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 4: so much riding on this game for a lot of

1130
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 4: other teams too.

1131
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 5: For sure, everyone in Baltimore should be wearing their Joe

1132
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 5: Flacco jerseys that they bought in ten twenty twelve when

1133
00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:00,720
Speaker 5: he was Super Bowl MVP. And this is it's really

1134
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 5: the only scenario where Mike Tomlin and the Steelers don't

1135
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 5: run away with this division. And you're right, instead of

1136
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 5: talking about the AFC North, they're talking about AFC number

1137
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 5: one seed, and they're talking about are we the class

1138
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 5: of the And they're super talented. The Steelers are awesome.

1139
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,919
Speaker 5: I mean, they have a really good defensive front. Aaron

1140
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 5: Rodgers hasn't turned the ball over. He's getting it to

1141
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 5: DK Metcalf. Now they're settling in. There's a tough, tough

1142
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 5: team and that's why it's gonna be tough for the

1143
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 5: Bengals to get a win. But they have to get

1144
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 5: a win if they're going to keep their season alive.

1145
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 5: Because three and four with a tiebreaker over the Steelers,

1146
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 5: that gives you some hope, especially with Joe Burrow rehabbing

1147
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 5: like crazy behind the scenes, because it doesn't matter if

1148
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 5: you're two and five. What Joe Burrow is doing three

1149
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 5: and four with a tiebreaker over the first place team,

1150
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 5: it feels like it would matter a bit more.

1151
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 4: It's also the first burst into the national spotlight of

1152
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers as a Pittsburgh Steeler, right, I mean a

1153
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 4: few players in the league have been talked about more.

1154
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 4: I think everybody is still trying to wrap their brains

1155
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 4: around how this is gonna work long term. He has

1156
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 4: played fine. He might not be the Aaron Rodgers of old,

1157
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 4: but he certainly seems like a somewhat rejuvenated Aaron Rodgers.

1158
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 4: He played well against Cleveland. We were all thinking it

1159
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,280
Speaker 4: was going to be Burrow versus Rogers. It's a matchup,

1160
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 4: and you mentioned this before. You don't get many matchups

1161
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 4: where your guy who's been in the league for eighteen

1162
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 4: years is less experienced than the dude you're playing against.

1163
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,439
Speaker 4: Oh and by the way, the guy you're playing against

1164
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 4: is going in the Hall of Fame.

1165
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's it's unique. People have caught it the

1166
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 5: grandpa bole and all that. You know, all these things,

1167
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 5: but look when two quarterbacks are combined eighty one years

1168
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 5: old and both really trying to do the same thing,

1169
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 5: get an AFC North team to the playoffs, and Aaron

1170
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 5: Rodgers case. I think a lot of people assume that

1171
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 5: the drama would be too much. Well, there hasn't been

1172
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 5: any drama. No, it's been quiet. He's gone there and

1173
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 5: he's just played football. And we know what Mike Tomlin's

1174
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 5: culture is in Pittsburgh and that's why they've won games.

1175
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: They've won.

1176
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 5: Game yesterday was ugly for most of the game until

1177
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 5: it wasn't and then they pull away and they coast

1178
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 5: to a very Steelers like victory against the break. And

1179
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 5: that's why you gotta be leary on Thursday night. If

1180
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 5: you don't start fast, and there's Steelers terrible towers, and

1181
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 5: there will be Steelers terrible tows in the crowd. They

1182
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 5: get going, it's gonna be tough. It's gonna feel like

1183
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 5: you're going uphill.

1184
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing.

1185
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 4: The Bengals played well on the second half offensively with

1186
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 4: Joe Flacco after a first half where they were stuck

1187
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 4: in the mud that might have been the growing pains

1188
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 4: period of the Joe Flacco era. The first half last

1189
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 4: week can't be the first half this week. And that environment,

1190
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 4: you know, for folks who have maybe never been to

1191
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 4: a Bengals Steelers game, it might not be fifty to

1192
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 4: fifty on Thursday, but if the Steelers get going, it's

1193
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 4: gonna sound like it and feel like it, and you know,

1194
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 4: you wonder if that's snowballs. Also, if the Bengals don't

1195
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 4: play from ahead and they need to get defensive stops

1196
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 4: and you're doing it against Aaron Rodgers, do you trust

1197
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 4: that Bengals defense over the last couple of weeks.

1198
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody has this.

1199
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 5: Both teams want to do the same thing, like they

1200
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 5: are so much more comfortable playing from ahead. Zach Taylor

1201
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 5: has talked about that throughout his tenure, and I think

1202
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 5: offensively it allows them to be more balanced and not

1203
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 5: put pressure on their offensive line.

1204
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 1: They already do that.

1205
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 5: Meanwhile, the Steelers, it's just how they play. They want

1206
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 5: that defensive front to eat you alive. And if you

1207
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 5: have to drop back because you're trailing, that defensive front

1208
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 5: is going to.

1209
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: Eat you alive.

1210
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 5: And Jaylen Ramsey's playing really well two and so that's

1211
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 5: that's the tough part is can you score one or

1212
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 5: two touchdowns in the first half. You haven't scored a

1213
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 5: first half touchdown since Jacksonville, and now I'm asking for

1214
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 5: two I'm selfish.

1215
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: I don't want just one.

1216
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 5: On Thursday night. You need to get two if you're

1217
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 5: the Bengals, and and then you can kind of play

1218
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 5: your style and have a shot to beat the Steelers

1219
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 5: and keep your season alive.

1220
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 4: And it's matched their physicality, which, right, you know it

1221
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 4: sounds cliche.

1222
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it sounds Are they more physical

1223
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: than the Steelers? That's that's the thing, right, I mean

1224
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: like that that part of the game. I think you

1225
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: often assume advantage Pittsburgh, right, Sure, are we making that

1226
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: assumption this going around?

1227
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 5: I am, But I do want to tell you a

1228
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 5: secret and everybody a secret. The Bengals offensive line in

1229
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 5: the second half played really darn well last night.

1230
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: Did yesterday?

1231
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, they were pretty good. Gave Flacco a chance. Obviously

1232
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 5: it was quick game, but that defensive front is really

1233
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:18,439
Speaker 5: darn good.

1234
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: So is the Steelers. So it's gonna be similar.

1235
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 5: But outside of one Orlando Brown with where it was

1236
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 5: just a straight whiff, I thought they played really well

1237
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 5: and held up against a defensive front that's led by

1238
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 5: Micah Parsons that's as good as anyone in the league.

1239
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: And you have the element of Mike Tomlin saying what

1240
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: he said about the Flacco trade, which for those who

1241
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: don't know, he said, Andrew Berry the GM in Cleveland

1242
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: must be smarter than me, and called the trade shocking

1243
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: and didn't throw any shade necessarily at the Bengals, in fact,

1244
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,959
Speaker 1: said the trade made sense, but publicly at.

1245
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 4: Least expressed like why why would they do that? Why

1246
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 4: would they.

1247
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing him here, we'll play the audio later.

1248
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 4: Why would they take a division team and basically try

1249
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 4: to help them solve their quarterback issue? And so like

1250
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 4: there's I don't know how much of that's a factor

1251
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 4: in the game, but that soundbite's going to be played

1252
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 4: on Thursday, and in the days leading.

1253
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: Up to Thursday.

1254
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,919
Speaker 5: If I'm a Bengal, I'm like, yeah, we got a guy,

1255
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 5: and that's proof right there, because Mike Tomlins like.

1256
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: Why would you give it? They were done, it was over,

1257
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: the Bengals weren't gonna win.

1258
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 5: And they had Jake Browning and that's it done, season done,

1259
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 5: and you just give him Joe, Give them Joe Flacco,

1260
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 5: give them a real quarterback with an offense that has

1261
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 5: Jamar Chase and t Higgins and all their weapons, like

1262
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 5: that's that's proof.

1263
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: I did a show last week O. I was like,

1264
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: the Bengals got it right.

1265
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 5: Not that I was banging the drump for Joe Flacco

1266
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 5: before they traded for him, but like fifty thousand foot view,

1267
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 5: I get why they traded for him. This is confirmation

1268
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 5: of that when you have arguably the best coach in

1269
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 5: the division, one of the best coaches in the sports, saying,

1270
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 5: what in the hell are the Browns doing? Ye why

1271
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 5: would they do a pick swapping give the Bengals new

1272
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 5: life when they didn't have to do that and they

1273
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 5: could have just out onto Joe Flackham.

1274
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: But to me, he's not wrong. Think of this division.

1275
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 4: Do you think the Pittsburgh Steelers would ever help the

1276
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 4: Bengals solve their biggest problem? Do you think the Steelers

1277
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 4: would ever help the Ravens solve their biggest problem? Do

1278
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 4: you think the Ravens would help the Steelers solve their

1279
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 4: biggest problem? It does kind of fly in the face

1280
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 4: of what we've come to accept about the AFC North,

1281
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 4: which is these guys hate each other, and so when

1282
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 4: you have that dynamic and then one team says, cool,

1283
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 4: we'll help you solve this problem. I could get why

1284
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 4: that raised eyebrows, certainly within the.

1285
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 5: Division, no doubt, And I was surprised initially, Like Mike

1286
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 5: Brown's trading with the Cleveland Browns, you and I both

1287
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 5: know he has not let that go right, the whole

1288
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 5: Cleveland thing, and what they did do is all those

1289
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 5: things like that still irks at them and it should.

1290
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: And so.

1291
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 5: The Bengals got the better end of the deal. So

1292
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 5: he was willing to do it because it was hope

1293
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 5: and it was a chance it might not work out.

1294
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,439
Speaker 5: But you move back forty picks and from the fifth

1295
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 5: round of the sixth round, that's nothing. You gave up

1296
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 5: nothing to have a chance keeping your season alive. And

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Speaker 5: I think that's where Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin doesn't say

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Speaker 5: this if they give up a third round pick for

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Speaker 5: Joe Flacco, right, But because they gave up basically nothing

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Speaker 5: and they get Joe Flacco, Yeah, I get why he

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Speaker 5: feels the way he does.

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Speaker 4: Twenty nine away from five o'clock where Twin peaks in Westchester,

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Speaker 4: we'll discuss what happened in the AFC North yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Take a look at sports head lines as well.

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Speaker 4: the Pittsburgh Steelers on Thursday, eight, fifteen, Thursday evening on

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Speaker 4: seven hundred WLW. Micasiki is going to be out quote

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Speaker 4: a while, according to Zach Taylor with that pectoral injury.

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Speaker 4: Trey Hendrickson listed as day to day. In Rappaport says

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Speaker 4: the MRI done on his back is clean. Zach also

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Speaker 4: expressing optimism for Schamar Stewart's availability on Thursday. Game coverage

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Speaker 4: Thursday afternoon starts at three o'clock live on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 4: The Titans have fired former Bengals offensive coordinator Brian Callahan

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Speaker 4: after a season and a half.

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Speaker 1: Do you think he resurfaces here? I wouldn't rule it out,

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Speaker 1: and I wouldn't be mad at it. No. I think that.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of weird how there's a significant part of

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Speaker 5: the fan base that looks at, oh, Brian Callahan, and

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Speaker 5: there's no way you're not asking him to.

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Speaker 1: Be head coach. No, well, some might, but you're not.

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Speaker 1: You know, four, you're not asking him to do that?

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Speaker 3: Do you?

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Speaker 5: What are you asking him to do?

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Speaker 1: Have a hand in fixing the offense? That's it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and so certainly possible to help with that.

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Speaker 1: What role?

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure The other one that I think is

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Speaker 5: interesting is what happens with Bill and obviously coach Zack Taylor.

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Speaker 5: There was a scenario where if Zach Taylor hadn't been

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Speaker 5: so loyal to Jim Turner after his first season, that

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Speaker 5: Bill Callahan comes here. That didn't happen. Do they do

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Speaker 5: that now? After hiring Scott Peters in March? I would

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Speaker 5: if that happens, like, if you can get him, do it.

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Speaker 5: But I don't know if that opportunity is going to

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Speaker 5: present itself. But if it does, they absolutely should, even

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Speaker 5: if they are a package deal, because I do think

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Speaker 5: Brian could.

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Speaker 1: Like when Marvin brought Hugh Jackson back his last year,

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Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna say that, and he was like, no, Like

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Speaker 1: I made fun of that. We did. It was leis

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Speaker 1: than the Bengals. It was like, I remember special assistant

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Speaker 1: to the head coach or something.

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Speaker 5: I mean that was the Baker Mayfield hanting him the

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Speaker 5: football made up a job to remember that as well. No,

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Speaker 5: I don't think it would be like that, But like,

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Speaker 5: could it hurt No, No, not at all, not at all.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it could.

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Speaker 4: There's two money night football games that I had ESPN thirty,

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Speaker 4: ESPN fifteen thirty has the game in Atlanta between the

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Speaker 4: Falcons and Bills. On Fox Sports thirteen sixty. You could

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Speaker 4: listen to the Bears and Commanders college football. The iconic

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Speaker 4: color man on UC broadcasts for thirty five years, Jim

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Speaker 4: Kelly passed away late last night. Jim had been battling cancer,

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Speaker 4: stepped away from his broadcast duties after three games this season.

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Speaker 4: A Hall of Famer who was inducted into the Hall

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Speaker 4: of Fame that's named after his dad in twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 4: a true gentleman, a UC icon, and somebody who I

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Speaker 4: am going to miss immensely. Max Fletcher named the Big

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Speaker 4: twelve Special Teams Player of the Week. The Bearcats ranked

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Speaker 4: in both top twenty five poles, twenty fourth in both

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Speaker 4: Ohio state number one in both Indiana, third in both baseball. Tonight,

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Speaker 4: both league Championship series have games Game two between the

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Speaker 4: Mariners and Blue Jays in Toronto. Seattle has a one

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Speaker 4: to zero series League Game one of the National League

1384
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Speaker 4: Championship Series in Milwaukee. Pitch the Dodgers versus the Brewers.

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Speaker 4: We touched on the Steelers a little bit last segment.

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Speaker 4: Pittsburgh did beat Cleveland yesterday Dylan Gabriel not good in.

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Speaker 1: His first shot start. I'm shocked. Really, that's a tough situation.

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Speaker 1: I asked him to be in second start, second start. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's still tough. Suggestion. They're all tough when you're my height.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, the more he looks small, he did like,

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Speaker 1: that's yeah.

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Speaker 5: And when you're not an Laite athlete, he's not Kyler

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Speaker 5: out there running right, he's not Lamar right, and you

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Speaker 5: look that small?

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Speaker 1: Good luck? Good luck.

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Speaker 4: The more interesting team of the division lost again yesterday's

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Speaker 4: seventeen to three to the la Rams the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 4: That's the first time I've watched a Ravens game where

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Speaker 4: you could hear chance where the fans want to fire

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Speaker 4: the head coach.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Cooper Rush started. It didn't go well. No.

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Speaker 5: Can you imagine if the if the Browns had traded it,

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Speaker 5: they would never do this. Joe Flaco to the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: See how see how dumb that sounds to Mike Tomlins.

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Speaker 1: See how dumb it sounds. It's Dobe.

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Speaker 4: But getting to that, like number one, Mike Tomlin said,

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Speaker 4: like the Bengals did the right thing. He's not throwing

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Speaker 4: shade at the back. No, but I could certainly look

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Speaker 4: at it through that lens and go, why would they

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Speaker 4: They're dead in the water. What do you offer to

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Speaker 4: help a divisi like I get that point of view.

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Speaker 4: For not much as a Bengals fan, I have hatred

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Speaker 4: for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah, I really don't for the

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Speaker 4: Browns that they haven't been relevant enough at the same

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Speaker 4: time the Bengals have. But the Bengals and Steelers have

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Speaker 4: played in some high stakes games. Sure, I've wanted the

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Speaker 4: Bengals to emulate the Pittsburgh Steelers. If Pittsburgh had a

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Speaker 4: quarterback situation that was dire, I wouldn't want the Bengals

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Speaker 4: to offer help. I wouldn't want them to offer a lifeline. So, like,

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Speaker 4: I understand his point of view.

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Speaker 5: You're telling me you don't want to send Jake Browning

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Speaker 5: to Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: I would like to do that if you can guarantee

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Speaker 1: the whole play Thursday. Yeah. But like like Mike Tomlin,

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Speaker 1: whether you love him, hate him, whether you're somewhere between,

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Speaker 1: sure there are some old school sensibilities. There no doubt

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Speaker 1: he plays up.

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Speaker 4: If you watch Hard Knocks in season last year, he

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Speaker 4: plays up the AFC North rivalry, no doubt, which is

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Speaker 4: a fan regardless if you're a fan of the Steelers

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01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 4: or a fan of an out like you want you

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Speaker 4: want your the the coaches to eat up those aspects

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Speaker 4: of their job. And so I could understand him going, Dude,

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Speaker 4: that's a division rival this is the AFC North.

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Speaker 1: We don't help each other. We don't help each other up.

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Speaker 5: And the Browns did, Yeah, they did, and for again

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Speaker 5: very little.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I keep going.

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Speaker 5: It's one thing if it's like a real asset, that's

1440
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Speaker 5: gonna be that it wasn't even a full pick. It

1441
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 5: was like the equivalent of like a late sixth round

1442
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 5: pick right for Joe Flacco, for a guy who can

1443
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Speaker 5: actually run the offense and get the ball of the playmakers.

1444
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Speaker 5: And I think Mike Tomlin seriously would be like, we

1445
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 5: would roll Jake Browning in the He saw the Joe

1446
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 5: Flacco in the second half and he's like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I got a problem, Like we got to guard these dudes.

1448
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Speaker 1: Now. We didn't even have to guard them before. You

1449
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 1: could just be in the vicinity and Jake Browning would

1450
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: throw it to us. Right.

1451
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Speaker 5: So I'm being a little mean to Jake, but you

1452
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 5: get the point is earned, and he's stunk against Pittsburgh.

1453
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 5: And Flacco knows Pittsburgh and he's not gonna shy away

1454
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 5: from playing the Steelers. So yes, I and guess what

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01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 5: Cleveland played the little little guy Dylan Gabriel over Joe

1456
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 5: Flacco could have just kept Flacco with just say I.

1457
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Speaker 1: Don't think Baltimore winning the division is implausible.

1458
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,639
Speaker 5: It's not. They have an easy schedule and Lamar Jackson's

1459
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 5: coming back after their by which they can lick their wounds,

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01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 5: and so they really need the Bengals to win. If

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Speaker 5: the Bengals win, then the Ravens should be like Kyle

1462
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 5: Hamilton's back, Marlin Humphrey is back, like Roquan Smith is

1463
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Speaker 5: coming back.

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Speaker 1: Right, Like, I don't think I don't think the Ravens are.

1465
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 5: Cooked well, because if the Steelers lose game on in

1466
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 5: the division, dude, like, does.

1467
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Speaker 1: Nine wins get it? Might? It might?

1468
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Speaker 5: And so if you're if you're the Raven jack we

1469
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 5: can still get the nine, right, we can still go

1470
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 5: eight and three with Lamar Jackson. Well, for example, if

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Speaker 5: the Bengals had a soft schedule, they were going into

1472
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Speaker 5: a bye and you knew Joe Burrow is coming back,

1473
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Speaker 5: and you knew these other dude, these other stars. Let's

1474
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Speaker 5: say Trey Hendrickson was coming back. Yeah, you'd be like,

1475
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 5: gid y up. Yeah, like got a shot.

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Speaker 1: We may do that in December. That's all we're asking

1477
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 1: for now.

1478
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 5: It's for Joe to get there, right, to get them

1479
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 5: there where they're seven and six or whatever it is,

1480
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 5: and they have a shot. I haven't done the math

1481
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 5: on the schedule, so seven and six, but I.

1482
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 4: Do think you look at I think you look at

1483
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,639
Speaker 4: Baltimore's schedules specifically, which is about to ease up. Yeah,

1484
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 4: look at Lamar Jackson coming back, which the that's the

1485
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 4: expectation after they're by this week. You look at the

1486
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 4: division they're in. I respect the Pittsburgh Steelers, like any

1487
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 4: fan should. They don't feel like a team at four

1488
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 4: to one that you're like, man, they're gonna go thirteen

1489
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Speaker 4: and four.

1490
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Speaker 1: It just doesn't feel that way.

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Speaker 5: No, Now they could nay, but like what if Aaron

1492
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Speaker 5: Rodgers stubs his toe.

1493
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Speaker 4: My take on you know, my take on them is

1494
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 4: they are really hard to play. You don't want to

1495
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 4: have like anecdotally sure individual.

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Speaker 1: Week they're hard to play. Yeah, I do not yet,

1497
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 1: and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I do not yet

1498
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Speaker 1: look at them as like, holy crap, they're gonna win

1499
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Speaker 1: the AFC, or holy crap, they're among the NFL's elite.

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Speaker 4: They may play their way into that conversation. They're four

1501
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 4: and one. At the end of the day, all that

1502
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 4: matters is do you win. They're not blowing teams away offensively.

1503
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 4: DK metcalf is very good and had a good game yesterday.

1504
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,560
Speaker 4: They're not lighting the world on fire. Aaron Rodgers is

1505
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 4: still old. The Steelers have had in recent years, including

1506
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 4: last year, seasons where it felt like, Okay, they're about

1507
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 4: to turn the corner a little bit, and then they

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01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 4: fall apart at the end. I just I'm not there yet,

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01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 4: and until I am, I will feel like the door

1510
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 4: is open in the AFC North. It widens open a

1511
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 4: little bit more of the Bengals went on Thursday, It

1512
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 4: closes a little bit more off the Bengals lose on Thursday.

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01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 4: But I do think that door is more wide open

1514
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 4: than an initial glance at the standings might make you.

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01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 5: Think, Yeah, I just I look at this, and you

1516
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 5: have three games between now and the bye you have

1517
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 5: that mini by after this week, you've dropped four straight.

1518
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 5: Now you got to go get three straight. You're at

1519
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 5: home against three. I think beating the Steelers. I think

1520
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 5: it is a winnable game. I agree with you. I

1521
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 5: don't think there are many great teams, if any, right now.

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01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:05,639
Speaker 5: And yeah, just because Pittsburgh's four and one, Yeah.

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01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: Like what are they? I don't know.

1524
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 5: I don't know if they're a true super Bowl contender.

1525
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,719
Speaker 5: So go beat them, and then you have the Jets

1526
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:15,679
Speaker 5: and Bears and then a bye and then the Steelers again.

1527
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 5: Like you can play yourself right back into it. Yeah,

1528
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 5: but you're not playing yourself back into it if you're

1529
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 5: two and five and then you have the Jets and

1530
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 5: the Bears, because then even if you split it with Pittsburgh,

1531
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 5: then you're five and five.

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01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 4: Then we're doing the exact same thing we did last

1533
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 4: year without Joe Burrow.

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01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 1: It's just Thursday. Yeah, gotta get it. I said to

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01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 1: you in that segment we did. Can I let the

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01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 1: listeners in on what was going on in that last segment?

1537
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:43,839
Speaker 1: Do it? Do it? So? The folks at NFL Films

1538
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:47,640
Speaker 1: were here yes to record for Thursday Night Football, and

1539
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 1: they wanted us to talk up the Bengals Steelers game,

1540
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 1: So everything I think we said was true. We may

1541
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 1: have been playing it up a little bit.

1542
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 4: But what I said at the top of that segment

1543
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 4: that I don't know if they'll use, is the difference

1544
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 4: between two and five and three and four feels for the.

1545
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: Bengals massive massive.

1546
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 5: I should have been like Aaron Rodgers versus Joe Flacco,

1547
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 5: two Hall of Famers. I should have just went on

1548
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 5: Super Bowl.

1549
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 1: Champions that last year they came and film the same

1550
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 1: thing the.

1551
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 5: Night Football really missed that opportunity.

1552
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 4: Bengals played the Ravens right they We were at the

1553
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 4: Florence location and they came and did the same thing.

1554
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 4: But they they thought we didn't sell it enough, so

1555
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 4: we did a fake segment for him that they used

1556
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 4: four seconds of like if you find the broadcast, they

1557
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 4: show Tony talking and like me staring at him, it's

1558
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 4: gonna be the other way, no, like and which I

1559
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 4: didn't bother me at all, But it's like they shut

1560
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:43,639
Speaker 4: up and and folks are.

1561
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 1: Like, man, that that really didn't sound like something you know,

1562
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 1: you would say, And I'm like, no, that wasn't really

1563
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 1: that that segment we did was I think in the

1564
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 1: ballpark of what I wanted to do, but we we

1565
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 1: laid it on pretty thick for the just a little bit,

1566
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit. I have no problem

1567
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 1: pulling back the curtain if.

1568
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 5: This happens again. I'm standing on the table.

1569
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 1: It's Bengals, it's Steelers. It's forty one versus forty.

1570
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 5: Is Aaron Marge forty one or is he older?

1571
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: Oh man?

1572
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 5: I think so, oh man, man, geez, So what what's

1573
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 5: that like?

1574
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 4: When the Bengals played in the first championship game a

1575
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 4: couple of years ago, I did sucks Uh. CBS came

1576
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 4: in and they basically asked me to do that. Yeah,

1577
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 4: they basically asked me to And I'm like, that's not

1578
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:30,879
Speaker 4: the kind of show that I do. I'm like basically

1579
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 4: like yelling scream about Jamar Chase and the Steelers and

1580
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 4: Jalen Ramsey and Jamar Chase.

1581
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 5: We haven't even gotten there yet.

1582
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: We think you think, like Jamar Chase could get into

1583
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 1: a fight with Jalen Ramsey.

1584
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 5: I think he would beat the Jamar is such a freak,

1585
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 5: Like there aren't many people that should want to mess

1586
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 5: with Joan because he He wouldn't even have to try

1587
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 5: most of the time, right, he's just different.

1588
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 1: Sign up for that, Sign me up for a fight.

1589
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 5: I've gotten dirty looks from jamar I want to be

1590
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 5: on the other end, would you look for Oh no,

1591
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 5: not like like yesterday he's walking back after a loss

1592
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 5: and he turns and it's sure pissed off, you know,

1593
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 5: so nothing.

1594
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't mad at you.

1595
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 5: No, he's just mad. But I wouldn't want to be

1596
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 5: on the other end if he was mad.

1597
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 1: Specifically, we want to talk about players who have gotten

1598
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:16,440
Speaker 1: mad at you.

1599
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 5: We can remember when Marcus Hunt turned me down.

1600
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 1: For an interview. Oh, we had fun with that. What

1601
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 1: are you doing, Marcus? What is Marcus doing these days?

1602
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:27,679
Speaker 1: Teaching shot put? Probably?

1603
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 4: I remember we made fun of that for and Marcus Hunt,

1604
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 4: who knows what he wanted to I've gotten over it.

1605
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 4: Who nobody wanted to talk to turning down an interview requestion?

1606
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 5: No, No, I got to work on my my past

1607
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 5: rush moves that I never developed.

1608
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 1: But there was a segment of the fan base that

1609
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 1: talked themselves into markets. Oh my god, Well I wasn't

1610
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 1: among them. No me, neither We took a shot put

1611
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 1: guy in the second round me the second remember that

1612
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 1: that's the thing.

1613
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 4: And the thing was, well, you know, once he learns

1614
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 4: how to play the game, Like, that's cool. You took

1615
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:02,680
Speaker 4: that that guy in the second round.

1616
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: Point, so that was the thing.

1617
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 4: He blocked a few kicks, like cool, that's nice. He

1618
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 4: ever sacked the quarterback. Well, he's busy throwing the shot put.

1619
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 5: They thought that he could throw the shot put at quarterbacks.

1620
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 5: That might be more effective than the Bengals pass rush

1621
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 5: without Trey Hendrickson.

1622
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, hopefully they have him. They if no Trey

1623
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 1: and no Chamar this week, they might have to call.

1624
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 5: I think they're gonna have Shamar.

1625
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm excited full today on that. I mean,

1626
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:34,480
Speaker 1: he's good. I'm excited. I'm sold for I watched Shamar.

1627
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 4: Stewart look like a guy who's gonna have an impact. Yea,

1628
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 4: and they badly need somebody who can make an impact.

1629
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:39,959
Speaker 1: Uh.

1630
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 4: I want to I want to take you through an

1631
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 4: exercise that we went through last week during the five

1632
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 4: o'clock hour, when we look at this team's roster, and uh,

1633
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 4: I'm gonna guess, as you made the voyage to Wisconsin,

1634
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 4: you didn't get a chance to watch Saturday's barn Burner

1635
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 4: at Nippert Stadium.

1636
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: I all right, broadcast sounded great. It Uh. We'll talk

1637
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: about the Bearcats coming up as well.

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Speaker 1: It has been awesome to have you. It's great to

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Speaker 1: be here. You've always great to chat with you tough

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Speaker 1: set circumstances less tough, and I thank you for doing that.

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Speaker 5: Of course, thanks for having me, and you.

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Speaker 1: Know, I think there's been a tone of optimism today

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01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: regarding what happened with the Bengals yesterday, So no doubt,

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Speaker 1: all night, jump on the table.

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Speaker 4: Right, let's go. I'll do what I can. I brought

1677
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Speaker 4: this up last week, and we were talking before about

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Speaker 4: the defense. By the way, Twin Peaks in Westchester, I

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Speaker 4: seventy five Union Center Boulevard. We are in Florence next

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Speaker 4: week and the week after that.

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Speaker 5: my eight year old. I'm actually about to get the

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Speaker 5: grilled cheese, the grilled cheese, and then leave apple three

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Speaker 5: quarters of it uneaten money you want this?

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Twin Peaks, Westchester two Monday night football games and I

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Speaker 4: got both playoff series happening at baseball and billions of TVs.

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Speaker 1: Every single Monday. Again. We're in Florence next week.

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Speaker 4: So I asked you before about Al Golden's defense and

1698
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 4: the answer was essentially, they just don't have enough.

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01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 1: Guy. So we were talking about this last week.

1700
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 4: I casting aside the rookies because they're rookies. So Shamar Stewart,

1701
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 4: who hopefully plays Thursday, yep, Dylan Fairchild, Demetrious Night, Barrett Carter,

1702
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 4: that crew.

1703
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,799
Speaker 1: Put those aside. I can't find five players. I'm excited

1704
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,839
Speaker 1: about being on the scene next year. Is that unfair?

1705
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:39,759
Speaker 5: Put the rookies aside?

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01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 1: But the rookies is everybody else? Okay? So I know,

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01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 1: Burrow cool Jamar, like, give me five, five players? All right?

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01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 1: All right, hold five.

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01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 5: I can do this, okay, Burrow JAMARTI sure there's three. Okay,

1710
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 5: Tray's not under contracts. I can't use any correct Okay.

1711
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 5: I'm just making sure. DJ Turner you can't get there yet,

1712
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 5: not there yet, Dax Hill, you can't get there.

1713
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 1: Yet, Not there yet.

1714
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 5: This is tough, now, you see you're making it tough.

1715
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 1: All right? Hold on, Chase Brown. I guess you don't

1716
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 1: think he's good.

1717
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:16,639
Speaker 4: I think he's good. I don't pin their struggles running

1718
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 4: the football on him. Sure, I think he's been used

1719
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 4: to the best of his capability. Yeah, I'm not a

1720
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 4: I'm certainly not opposed of him being on the team

1721
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 4: next year, but I can't tell you that, like.

1722
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm excited about him.

1723
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:31,799
Speaker 5: Evan McPherson, give you Evan McPherson. So I'm at four close.

1724
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 5: William Wagner the long snip.

1725
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 1: No, I am just kidding. I'm just kidding.

1726
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 5: Sorry, woy uh hold on. Taking the rookies out makes

1727
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:43,759
Speaker 5: it tough. Cam Taylor brit didn't make the cut. Definitely,

1728
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 5: I'm shocked that he did not.

1729
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 1: You gave me two.

1730
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 4: Guys who I will allow for the possibility that within

1731
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 4: a few weeks they're on that list, Yes, Dax and

1732
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:51,679
Speaker 4: DJ Turner.

1733
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, not there yet, okay, no offense, not under contract.

1734
01:21:56,080 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 5: Drew Sample doesn't make that gun. No, Mike gets sick,

1735
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 5: he doesn't make that cut. That contract feels so that

1736
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 5: feels rough.

1737
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 1: Right, Maybe there are five? Are there ten? No? Okay?

1738
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 5: Now, if you're taking out the rookies, no, which puts

1739
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 5: a hell of a lot of pressure on that rookie class.

1740
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 4: Right, and Shamar Stewart and Demetrius Knight and Barrett Carter

1741
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 4: and Dylan Fairchild may end up making up one of

1742
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:21,599
Speaker 4: the great draft classes.

1743
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 1: The Bengals have ever.

1744
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 5: Had Marius Mimms. I forgot about him.

1745
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 4: I am there with the Marius Mims, but I'm not.

1746
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 4: I don't feel as definitively good about him as I

1747
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 4: thought I would toward the end of last season.

1748
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:37,640
Speaker 5: You know what I want to see from him. I

1749
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 5: need a little nastiest, little nastiness. Yea. I think he's

1750
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 5: like super talented and gifted, doesn't.

1751
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 1: It It's not as nasty too nice.

1752
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 5: I don't know if that's the right word, because he

1753
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 5: might throw me in the bushes next time he excues me,

1754
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 5: so like, like, I know he's capable of being like that,

1755
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 5: but I just, you know, like I don't know if

1756
01:22:56,640 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 5: he's as nasty as you want your franchise franchise right,

1757
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 5: Tackley doesn't mean he's not capable of being that. Yeah,

1758
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 5: and I do think he is, But you get what

1759
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 5: I'm saying.

1760
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 1: I do get what you're saying.

1761
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 5: And in the run game, especially, like do you think

1762
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:10,719
Speaker 5: you can go run behind a Marius Mimms?

1763
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 7: Right?

1764
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 4: You know, it feels to me like he's gonna have

1765
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 4: a quality tenure in Cincinnati. But I'm never gonna look

1766
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 4: at him and go boys playing like.

1767
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 1: A first round pick. I'm not there yet.

1768
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not there yet, but because I think he's

1769
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 5: just so physically gifted. But like Shamar, I know he's nasty.

1770
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 5: It doesn't take long and then you know, like, oh,

1771
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:36,879
Speaker 5: he's got some of that to him, right, like it

1772
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 5: it took pre draft when I found out, like, oh,

1773
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 5: Samar could be the pick. Go look, it's like, oh

1774
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 5: he's got some mastiness to him. Yeah, And so we'll

1775
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:46,680
Speaker 5: see if it translates. It's translates. It doesn't mean he's

1776
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 5: gonna be a better player than a mariusms, but at

1777
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 5: some of these positions, that's what.

1778
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 1: You want, m H.

1779
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:54,640
Speaker 5: You need that trait to be great, and I'm not

1780
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 5: sure that that's there all the way, and I don't

1781
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 5: know how much you can teach that.

1782
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 4: So I guess the overall point of the exercise, whether

1783
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 4: it's can find five, can five ten, is this, you're

1784
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 4: supposed to be in a championship window right now with

1785
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,759
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, and that that window for this year doesn't

1786
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 4: feel open unless you believe one hundred percent that he's

1787
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:17,600
Speaker 4: going to be able to play in playoff games that

1788
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 4: the Bengals qualify for largely without them, So they're supposed

1789
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 4: to be in this championship window? Yeah, can you win

1790
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 4: a championship with the roster is currently constructed now? From

1791
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 4: year to year, there's obviously always changes, but.

1792
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 1: It feels like like it feels like a rebuild, Like

1793
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 1: it feels like they.

1794
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 4: Got a rebuild ginormous chunks of their roster. So next

1795
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 4: year is gonna be year seven of Joe, The year

1796
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 4: after that year eight, like he's.

1797
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 1: Not under contract forever. And so I guess it's like, you.

1798
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 4: Wonder, can you legitimately win a championship in the window

1799
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:54,599
Speaker 4: they're supposed to win a championship in if we're talking

1800
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:56,680
Speaker 4: about them having to do a rebuild during it?

1801
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, well this is why they're here, is the draft

1802
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 5: and what they've done or haven't done. So you said

1803
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 5: exclude rookie, So I'm just gonna go to last year's draft.

1804
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 5: Marius Mims. We have questions about him, but good.

1805
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 1: Player, Marius Mems. I expect to be on the team

1806
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:15,439
Speaker 1: next year and only get better.

1807
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 5: So yes, Chris Jenkins Junior, I think he's shown some signs. Sure, fine,

1808
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 5: not great, not pro bowler, but fine.

1809
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 1: After that.

1810
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:26,799
Speaker 5: Jermaine Burton McKinley, Jackson, Eric All, Josh Newton, Tanner McLaughlin,

1811
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 5: Cedric Johnson, Johnson, Dejoon, Anthony, Matt Lee. So they have

1812
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 5: all of those picks that they use ten draft picks.

1813
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 5: After the second round, you're looking at what Josh Newton

1814
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 5: you feel good about? Eric All you don't because of

1815
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 5: his health, Cedric Johnson injured, Dejon Anthony injured, Matt Lee,

1816
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:49,759
Speaker 5: we haven't seen m never Dress, Jermaine Burton. Yeah, McKinley,

1817
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 5: Jackson are non factors, Like that's what gets you there,

1818
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 5: Like there should be three or four guys on this

1819
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 5: list of ten draft picks that are part of the

1820
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 5: twenty twenty six excitement and it's not. Yeah, like that

1821
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:08,639
Speaker 5: should be impossible when you have ten swings. And that's

1822
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 5: why when all these people say, oh, well they need

1823
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:14,919
Speaker 5: more swings or it's like, man, I think they completely

1824
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:17,839
Speaker 5: overthought this draft somehow and they took the wrong swings.

1825
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 5: So I just get it right in this year's rookie

1826
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:24,680
Speaker 5: class feels much better than that.

1827
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 1: Yes, I am with six picks.

1828
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 4: I'll feel more this way if Shamar Stewart plays as

1829
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 4: soon as possible and shows flashes. Yes, I absolutely believe

1830
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:38,640
Speaker 4: this draft class can yield some really good players. The

1831
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 4: problem is if I go back to twenty twenty one

1832
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 4: and go from twenty one to twenty two, twenty three

1833
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 4: to twenty four, it's.

1834
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 5: Rough Miles Murphy, Jordan Battle, Charlie Jones, Chase Like the

1835
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 5: twenty three draft is DJ Turner and Chase Brown and

1836
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 5: Andre Joseabash. Really like Charlie Jones is a contributor, but

1837
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 5: he's been hurt. Miles Murphy, No, where's he at?

1838
01:26:59,640 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1839
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 5: I mean so all right, And that's another guy that's

1840
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 5: an example of And I like Miles a lot. The

1841
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 5: nastiness isn't there, doesn't.

1842
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 1: Feel like it. It doesn't feel like it at all.

1843
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:16,839
Speaker 4: So all right, acknowledge that there have been either draft

1844
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 4: missteps or mistakes or just swings and misses, whatever you

1845
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,640
Speaker 4: want to call it. Like it feels like with the

1846
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 4: roster itself, they have so much heavy lifting to do

1847
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 4: that you can't talk about them in championship terms, in

1848
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 4: that window that they're supposed to be winning championships.

1849
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 1: Like even this year, before the season started, I think

1850
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 1: most of us said playoff team. I don't know many

1851
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 1: of us who said they have a chance to be

1852
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 1: among the absolute elite in this sport, which was a

1853
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 1: reflection of the roster. Yeah, but you thought they were

1854
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 1: a playoff team because they had Joe.

1855
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:54,880
Speaker 5: It was more like in the playoffs, you have Joe

1856
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 5: jamar t go take a shot, right, you keep trying, Yeah,

1857
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 5: like you have against anyone, not that you have the

1858
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 5: best rock. We knew the Ravens had a better roster,

1859
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:06,479
Speaker 5: without question. We knew the Bills had a better lester question.

1860
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 5: We knew that there are multiple The Eagles obviously have

1861
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 5: a better roster, And we could go on and on

1862
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 5: the Chiefs. Everyone talks about all the Chiefs. They don't

1863
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:15,640
Speaker 5: have a pretty darn good roster. Yeah, they do, like

1864
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 5: the roster is talented.

1865
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 1: Yes, so I guess the question is when do we

1866
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:24,839
Speaker 1: start to talk about the Bengals being legitimate championship contenders?

1867
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 5: Again, well, it's twofold one. Maybe some of these guys

1868
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 5: do play their way into that. Maybe that's looking less

1869
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 5: and less likely, But maybe six weeks from now, you're like, oh,

1870
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 5: Dylan Fairchild to the future. Pro Bowls takes all right,

1871
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 5: you know, and in Orlando Brown Junior has been better

1872
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 5: and more consistent. Now you just mentioned all offensive guys, no,

1873
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 5: no doubt, but DJ Turner, Dax Hill. I think we

1874
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 5: kind of know about Miles, like where he's going to be.

1875
01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:59,679
Speaker 5: I do we know about Jordan.

1876
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm good my suspicions. Now it feels like we know.

1877
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 1: Yeah he's a guy. Yeah he's okay, Okay, yeah, Cam

1878
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 1: Taylor Britt, they've benched multiple times.

1879
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:15,679
Speaker 5: Now, I think we know, and he's not under contract.

1880
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 5: And so when you put this conversation together, combined with

1881
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 5: our conversation earlier in the show, the significance of Thursday,

1882
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:28,440
Speaker 5: that's exactly why we're having a much, much different conversation.

1883
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:33,559
Speaker 5: That's if they lose Thursday versus if they went so

1884
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 5: part of this, by the way, Logan Wilson didn't even

1885
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 5: cross either of our minds.

1886
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 1: No, that's a problem because they invested big money in it.

1887
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 4: And this was going to be the defense that allowed

1888
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 4: Logan Wilson to shine, and he's playing less and less

1889
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 4: so many and I heard this last week, Well, the turnaround,

1890
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,679
Speaker 4: the rebuild doesn't have to it doesn't have to take forever.

1891
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Bengals in the early part of the

1892
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:58,520
Speaker 1: decade prove that because they had quarterback under a rookie contract,

1893
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 1: Jamar and t obviously under rookie contracts.

1894
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:02,599
Speaker 4: So they could just take money and throw it at

1895
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 4: the defense. And they nailed it. I mean they you

1896
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:07,479
Speaker 4: could say, people did say they overpaid for DJ Reader.

1897
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 4: It was worth it, yes, And folks weren't sure about

1898
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 4: Trey Hendrickson. The greatest free agent acquisition in the history

1899
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 4: of the franchise, and kind should obey Woozia better than

1900
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 4: you know was William Jackson, Well, yeah, and Woozya and

1901
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:21,680
Speaker 4: Mike Hilton right, like Mike Hilton Von Bell, like a

1902
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:24,719
Speaker 4: whole slew of guys, some of whom the market would

1903
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:26,640
Speaker 4: tell you they overpaid. Well, they're not going to be

1904
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 4: able to do that this go around, so they have

1905
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 4: to nail it with an entire draft class.

1906
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 1: Which maybe they did this year.

1907
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 4: But it's I've bought up the I can't identify five players,

1908
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 4: And maybe I'm being a little bit unfair. Maybe it

1909
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 4: should be more about ten. But either way, when you're

1910
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 4: having a hard time identifying who the players moving forward

1911
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 4: are should be moving forward, then you talk about a rebuild.

1912
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:55,720
Speaker 4: And when you talk about a rebuild, you kind of

1913
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:58,559
Speaker 4: talk about starting from not scratch because you have Joe,

1914
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 4: but still you're starting from a you know, starting from

1915
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 4: not the first floor that saved, the second to third floor.

1916
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 4: But when rebuild and Super Bowl window, those aren't terms

1917
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:10,800
Speaker 4: that are used at the same time. So when are

1918
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 4: they going to be able to contend for a championship.

1919
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:16,720
Speaker 5: Again, Well, let's talk. Let's just to your point real quick.

1920
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 5: I looked at the twenty twenty two Bengals roster, like

1921
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 5: who we'd be excited about. I'm just gonna go starters,

1922
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase T Higgins. Right, you're excited about

1923
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:26,559
Speaker 5: all of those guys.

1924
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 1: This is twenty two, which was a twelve and four team.

1925
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:34,840
Speaker 5: Cordell Wilson was a rookie, but cabably Yes, Alex Kappa

1926
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 5: excited for sure.

1927
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:38,280
Speaker 1: A really good year. Ted Carris, I think you've become

1928
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:39,800
Speaker 1: all those offensive linemen they got.

1929
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:42,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, Sam Hubbard has his career year, the Hubbard yard Dash.

1930
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 5: You feel good about him, DJ Reader feel good about him.

1931
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 5: I think bj Hell and Trey Hendrickson, you feel good

1932
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Speaker 5: about those guys, right, Logan Wilson and Jermaine Pratt chatobea

1933
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Speaker 5: woozy is coming off the ACL But he was playing

1934
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Speaker 5: really darn good before that. Yeah, and then you have

1935
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Speaker 5: Jesse Bates, which of course he was departing his agency.

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Speaker 1: That's just starters.

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Speaker 5: It's like half the starters that you're like, oh, that's

1938
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Speaker 5: pretty good. I didn't include von Bell there by the way,

1939
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Speaker 5: I didn't, which you could have at that time. I

1940
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Speaker 5: would say, that's that's what's tough. Is to your point

1941
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Speaker 5: is that they're so top heavy now and those guys

1942
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 5: are there, but what's behind them isn't as good, doesn't

1943
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Speaker 5: have as high as a ceiling, doesn't have the experience,

1944
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 5: isn't as good down to down, isn't his consistent, and

1945
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Speaker 5: it's just much shakier. And that's why we've seen the

1946
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 5: inconsistencies even when Joe is out there. That's why they

1947
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:31,599
Speaker 5: can't get a stop when they need to stop. That's

1948
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Speaker 5: why they can't block last year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So.

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Speaker 4: I don't like to do this when everybody is excited

1951
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Speaker 4: about their chances of beating Pittsburgh on Thursday based on

1952
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Speaker 4: how they played yesterday. But even if you feel like

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Speaker 4: this season, this season is still salvageable, and I do,

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01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 4: and even if you feel like you know what, there's

1955
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 4: a glimmer of hope because of how Joe Flacco played

1956
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:55,760
Speaker 4: yesterday and the schedule is about to ease up.

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Speaker 1: And I agree with those things.

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Speaker 4: They are in what we thought was going to be

1959
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Speaker 4: their chancempionship window, right, And Okay, so Burrow gets hurt,

1960
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Speaker 4: There's only so much you can do about that. But

1961
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Speaker 4: Burrow getting hurt gives you all more of a reason.

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Speaker 4: I guess to look at the roster and there's just

1963
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 4: not a lot of there there. And when there's that

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Speaker 4: much uncertainty or those that many holes, I don't know

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Speaker 4: how you fix them all. In that window between now

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Speaker 4: and when Joe's contract expires.

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Speaker 5: This we need to bring the NFL film sky batter.

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Speaker 1: I am not bringing the energy I did for that

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Speaker 1: segment an hour ago.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 5: The reason why I'm saying that is because, as you're

1972
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 5: playing this out and talking through this, the difference in

1973
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:40,839
Speaker 5: two and five and three and four could be era defining. Yeah,

1974
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:42,840
Speaker 5: because if they fall to two and five and they

1975
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 5: just kind of play out the string and they're in

1976
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 5: that spot and they're selling off a few pieces before

1977
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:51,520
Speaker 5: the November fourth trade deadline, which ticktiktik is getting close. Yeah,

1978
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 5: it feels much different than they're in it and they

1979
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:57,559
Speaker 5: have a chance, and they're going to try to do

1980
01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 5: this on the fly still, and these young pieces could

1981
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 5: come together st like. It's a big difference. We're talking

1982
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:05,720
Speaker 5: about coaches that are jobs on the line, players who

1983
01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:07,679
Speaker 5: could be shipped out of here, all of those things,

1984
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Speaker 5: and it's in my mind, really dependent on what happens Thursday.

1985
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 5: It doesn't mean that you sell everything Friday, right, but

1986
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 5: you're going in that direction now, like, and you should

1987
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 5: in that pivot should be pretty real. So that's it's

1988
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:23,640
Speaker 5: a hell of a place to be. And that's what

1989
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 5: happens when you don't draft well and you're not structuring

1990
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:29,080
Speaker 5: contracts the way you should T and Jamar and in

1991
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 5: the middle of free agency you're focused on T and

1992
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:35,439
Speaker 5: jmar and not getting free agent additions on your copy

1993
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Speaker 5: defense and or offensive line.

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Speaker 4: Twenty after five o'clock twin Peaks in Westchester, we'll hear

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Speaker 4: a little bit of Zach Taylor, as well as what

1996
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:45,559
Speaker 4: Mike Tomlin had to say about the Bengals acquiring Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 4: I want to come back to something you just said

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Speaker 4: there as well. We'll spend a few minutes on the

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Speaker 4: Bearcads two between now and six o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 11: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 4: Exeter five o'clock works When the Beaks in Westchester. James

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Speaker 4: and Moe Football Show on ESPN fifteen thirty. Zach Taylor

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01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 4: talked earlier today, well before our show, so we did

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Speaker 4: not have the contractually obligated airing of Zach Taylor's press conference,

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Speaker 4: which meant this show wasn't at the mercy of you

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01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 4: guys asking questions.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you guys go too long. I'm just gonna tell

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Speaker 1: you me, you, but just me.

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01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:11,639
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's like, Okay, you've done this fifteen minutes. You're

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01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:13,920
Speaker 4: gonna talk to you again two days. Can we can

2023
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 4: we kind of move forward here?

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Speaker 1: You know what you're doing to me? Now?

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01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:19,479
Speaker 5: Next time I'm in a Zach Taylor press conference, I'm

2026
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 5: gonna ask four more questions to bother you.

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01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:23,599
Speaker 4: If that press conference is at twelve o'clock, I don't

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01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:26,240
Speaker 4: care if it's a three three and it's messing my

2029
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:26,760
Speaker 4: life up.

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Speaker 5: Yep, every three o'clock. Oh, this is gonna be over.

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01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:34,160
Speaker 5: Welcome into overtime with Zach Taylor. Yeah, Zach, do you

2032
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 5: want the ball or not? Drive into work today?

2033
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 1: I'll kick it? He said, Noah, go ahead. That was

2034
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor did yesterday that I loved.

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Speaker 4: I am a big proponent of When he went for two,

2036
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 4: sure right, put some pressure on.

2037
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Speaker 1: Cut it to eight, go for two. Put pressure.

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01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 5: There was real pressure. It's like, man, if they get

2039
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:51,960
Speaker 5: the ball back.

2040
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Speaker 1: I was happy that Zach Taylor raised that way of

2041
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:58,559
Speaker 1: thinking and Joe flacka with a great play. Yeah it was.

2042
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Speaker 5: It was probably his best playing the game.

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01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:00,320
Speaker 1: Greed.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, So what about injuries? What about the

2045
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:04,800
Speaker 4: guys who are hurt? What about Trey Hendrickson and Mica

2046
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 4: Sicky and Marius Mims who came out yesterday for a bit.

2047
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:14,880
Speaker 1: Here's Zach Taylor on the hurt players injuries tree.

2048
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:17,799
Speaker 12: We'll see what you know early in the week Monday.

2049
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:19,280
Speaker 12: We'll have to give it kind of a day to

2050
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:20,640
Speaker 12: day listing here and see where there are a lot

2051
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:21,559
Speaker 12: of guys that are sore.

2052
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:24,639
Speaker 13: About here.

2053
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 12: He'll be out for this game for sure. Get more

2054
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 12: information now, just got to pick it's it's gonna be

2055
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 12: a while. We'll just see what that means. Marius should

2056
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 12: be good to go. Sam Mars progressing back, so we'll

2057
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:43,640
Speaker 12: get a chance to We don't do a lot of

2058
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 12: full speed work this week, but I'm optimistic.

2059
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Speaker 1: And then you got Lucas in some practices last week.

2060
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Speaker 12: Yeah, he's a good We'll just continue to make a

2061
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 12: decisions on that. But from a physical standpoint, he's so good. Yes,

2062
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:02,679
Speaker 12: gets thin quickly there.

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Speaker 1: What's kind of your idea of the approach to take.

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Speaker 12: As that group, Tanner King, you still got three other ones,

2065
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 12: you know, three that that played for us, So Kam

2066
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:12,600
Speaker 12: mc granny's been up and down over the course of

2067
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:15,040
Speaker 12: the season last season, so still have three guys there.

2068
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:18,080
Speaker 4: All right, There you go, Zach Taylor on injuries. Now

2069
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:20,760
Speaker 4: here is the Bengals head coach on his and the

2070
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 4: staff's willingness to lean on rookies a little bit more.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean that's both sizeable. You know, our two

2072
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:30,160
Speaker 12: starting guards have been rookies. So again, we're not going

2073
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:32,360
Speaker 12: to hesitate to play guys that we can have a

2074
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:34,240
Speaker 12: lot of potential for us, and there's got to be

2075
01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:37,640
Speaker 12: some growing pains there. But all the guys that we

2076
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:41,880
Speaker 12: have are are They're intelligent guys. It's important to them,

2077
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:44,519
Speaker 12: they're mature, and so we're gonna get them out there,

2078
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:46,680
Speaker 12: and they've earned it. It's not like we're just saying, hey,

2079
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 12: we're gonna play young guys that happen to earned the opportunity.

2080
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:50,640
Speaker 12: These guys have earned the opportunity to shown us that

2081
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 12: there's a lot of potential there and that they're capable

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01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:54,320
Speaker 12: of doing it and helping us win. And so that's

2083
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:54,720
Speaker 12: why we have.

2084
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:58,799
Speaker 4: Them out there I one more on how much more

2085
01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:01,639
Speaker 4: they can throw a Joe Laco. Given the fact that

2086
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:04,560
Speaker 4: his next game comes during a short.

2087
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:08,840
Speaker 12: Week, you'd be surprised, you know, we're capable of But

2088
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 12: now that we know what he understands and how quickly

2089
01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:13,559
Speaker 12: he hits his brain, it makes sense to him. And

2090
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 12: now we've seen him operate in our offense with our

2091
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 12: players and how he takes to that. I think he

2092
01:39:19,080 --> 01:39:22,439
Speaker 12: really enjoys throwing of these guys. And so again we'll

2093
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:23,639
Speaker 12: continue to press the envelope.

2094
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:24,640
Speaker 1: We don't want to overwhelm.

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01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:27,240
Speaker 12: We don't want to get to a point of diminishing

2096
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:28,800
Speaker 12: your turns where now we got too much and we're

2097
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:31,120
Speaker 12: forgetting what this means and that means. But I think

2098
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:33,280
Speaker 12: he's shown that he's capable of taking on a little

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01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:33,639
Speaker 12: bit more.

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Speaker 1: All right, there you go, Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 4: Now we referenced this before, but I wanted to play

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Speaker 4: the audio so you had the context. Mike Tomlin talked

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Speaker 4: with the media in Pittsburgh, and obviously they're getting set

2104
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:47,479
Speaker 4: to play the Bengals with Joe Flacco instead of the

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01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 4: Bengals with Jake Browning. Joe traded by the Browns six

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Speaker 4: days ago to Cincinnati. Here's what Mike Tomlin had to

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Speaker 4: say about that.

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Speaker 1: You know, to be honest, it was shocking to me.

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Speaker 13: Andrew bart he must be a lot smarter than me

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Speaker 13: or us, because it doesn't make sense to me to

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Speaker 13: trade a quarterback that you think enough of to make

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Speaker 13: your opening day starter to a division opponent that's hurting

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Speaker 13: in that area. But that's just my personal feelings.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I love it. And

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Speaker 1: he would go on to say that the Bengals did

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Speaker 1: the right thing.

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Speaker 4: This was not like Tomlin throwing shade, so to speak,

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Speaker 4: at the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 5: No, he's saying the Browns are idiots for giving the

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Speaker 5: Bengals a lifeline.

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Speaker 1: I don't blame him for his perspective. No, it makes

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Speaker 1: say harder. Yeah, they roll Jake Browning right, Yes.

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Speaker 4: I was dreading watching the Steelers play against Jake Browning

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Speaker 4: in person.

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01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:47,880
Speaker 5: Jake Browning under pressure again and he goes down for

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Speaker 5: a sack or pick six or Jalen Ramsey chases like

2127
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Speaker 5: all those things. And they may happen with Joe Flacco. Sure,

2128
01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:56,240
Speaker 5: we have a much better chance. And that's why you

2129
01:40:56,280 --> 01:40:58,960
Speaker 5: get those comments from Mike Tomlin. He does not make

2130
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:03,160
Speaker 5: those comments. Joe Flacco is in a significant upgrade in

2131
01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:06,360
Speaker 5: his eyes, because why would he Why would you make

2132
01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:08,280
Speaker 5: this comments unless you thought that Joe Flacco could still

2133
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:09,240
Speaker 5: play you.

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Speaker 4: You used two words in our last segment that I

2135
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Speaker 4: jotted down because I want to ask you about them

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Speaker 4: when we come back to Twin Peaks.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what those are.

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Speaker 8: five eight four pink. Well, good news along two seventy

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Speaker 8: five U spun a Madison Pike in Kentucky. The accident cleared.

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Speaker 8: We still have to lays the Dixie Highway. Seventy five

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Speaker 8: Norwood Lateral about an eight minute trip from Shepard and

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Speaker 8: we've got seventy five sewing southbound. Ye back to the

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Speaker 8: Brent Spence Bridge. Why'm Rick shremp with traffic?

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Speaker 3: No one covers the Bengals like ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's

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Speaker 1: I saw James before you had the Bengals injury board up. Yep,

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Speaker 1: you're going to pull it up. Yeaho's on it. All right.

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Speaker 5: We'll go over this lengthy list here. Dylan Fairchild practiced

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Speaker 5: in full. Today's a full practice that they do like

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Speaker 5: a walkthrough nothing. This is an estimated practice.

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Speaker 1: Is who would have been able to go had they

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Speaker 1: actually practiced?

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Speaker 5: Yep, let's go with the d NPS. Mike Asiki, Trey

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Speaker 5: Hendrickson get Sicki's out for a while, BJ Hill rest

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Speaker 5: Tanner Hudson concussion, Charlie Jones ribs, I know he was

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Speaker 5: in pain yesterday after the game. And then three full

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Speaker 5: practices and for a Marius Mems, Lucas Patrick and Shamar

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Speaker 5: Stewart and like I said, Dylan Fairchild fool on the

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01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:12,479
Speaker 5: estimated practice report. So Chamar and Jim Shamarin, Dylan feels

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Speaker 5: like that they might be able to suit up on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 4: Bengals and Steelers Thursday Night eight fifteen pregame coverage on

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Speaker 4: ESPN fifteen thirty at three pm. There are two count

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Speaker 4: of two Monday night football games tonight.

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Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, one other NFL note.

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Speaker 4: Former Bengals offensive coordinator Brian Callahan fired by the Tennessee Titans,

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Speaker 4: Bills and Falcons. Brian can watch two games tonight Bills

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01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:36,120
Speaker 4: and Falcons in Atlanta. He can also listen to it

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01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:39,920
Speaker 4: on ESPN fifteen thirty. Bears and Commanders that is going

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01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:43,519
Speaker 4: to be on Fox Sports thirteen sixty. We started the

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Speaker 4: show by talking about the passing of Jim Kelly, the

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Speaker 4: iconic UC color man twenty seventeen Hall of Fame inductee

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Speaker 4: at UC, terrific football player for the Bearcats and from

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Speaker 4: Mohler High School, passed away late last night. Jim had

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Speaker 4: been battling cancer. Our best wishes to Jim's wife, Sarah,

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Speaker 4: his four sons, and his grandchildren. Max Fletcher, UC punter

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01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:08,840
Speaker 4: named to the Big Twelve Special named the Big Twelve

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Speaker 4: Special Teams Player of the Week.

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Speaker 1: He was terrific. You see, Special Teams were awesome on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Bearcats are twenty.

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Speaker 4: Fourth in both major polls for the first time since

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Speaker 4: November of twenty twenty two. Ohio State maintains the top spot.

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Speaker 4: Indiana up to three after the Hoosiers road victory against Oregon.

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Speaker 4: You could hear the Marx Tubes Radio show at six

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01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:31,200
Speaker 4: on ESPN fifteen thirty Baseball playoffs. Both League Championship Series

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Speaker 4: in action tonight. Game two ALCS in Toronto, Mariners and

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Speaker 4: Blue Jay Seattle up one oh Game one in Milwaukee

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Speaker 4: between the Dodgers and Brewers for the NL title. James

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Speaker 4: Rapenaz here, we were talking before about the difference on

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Speaker 4: Thursday between the Bengals winning and going three and four,

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01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:52,960
Speaker 4: and then it's kind of game on at that point

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Speaker 4: and losing and falling to two and five, and then it's,

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Speaker 4: oh boy, where do you go from here? And you

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Speaker 4: mentioned Trey Hendricks and because I'm sure we will start

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01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 4: talking a lot more intensely about where he may go

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Speaker 4: and what the Bengals may do with him if they lose,

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Speaker 4: But you also use the term few pieces meaning other

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Speaker 4: players they could possibly move.

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Speaker 1: Yep, who are those pieces?

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Speaker 5: Well, not that they're gonna get a lot, right, but

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Speaker 5: like Cam Taylor Britt, shouldn't they be calling wunaruma right

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Speaker 5: now and wondering if he wants to reunite with Cam.

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01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:27,920
Speaker 5: He's reunited with multiple former Bengals already. Jermaine Pratt, I

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Speaker 5: would take.

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Speaker 1: A Mike vander Jack signed Jersey for Cam Taylor.

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Speaker 5: Brit But they need corners in that back, you know,

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01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:38,200
Speaker 5: like maybe you combine them, Maybe you do Logan Wilson

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Speaker 5: and Cam Taylor Britt for like a fifth round pick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I would do it.

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Speaker 5: I mean yes, from a Bengals perspective, Yes, I'm just

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Speaker 5: giving you scenarios of guys that would certainly be on

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Speaker 5: the block, and there are others. I mean, if you're

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01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:57,960
Speaker 5: tearing it down, do you need no fan No? You know,

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01:45:58,320 --> 01:45:59,519
Speaker 5: like like that's.

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Speaker 1: Kind of like a lot of injury issues a tight

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Speaker 1: end right now right now.

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Speaker 5: But I'm saying trade deadline ahead of the trade deadline,

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Speaker 5: any of those guys on one year deals you're having

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01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:11,000
Speaker 5: a discussion about, and so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe Flacco.

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01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:21,479
Speaker 5: Oh goodness, that would be the most they get a call.

2234
01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:23,679
Speaker 5: It's like, we want a fourth round pick.

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01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:29,200
Speaker 1: We won a four. What realistically, if.

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01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:35,679
Speaker 4: Things continue to go awry, realistically, what could they get

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01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:37,840
Speaker 4: in return for Trey Hendrickson at this stage?

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01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:41,880
Speaker 5: Jalton Reisner is another one, just as something that who

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01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:45,840
Speaker 5: knows for Trey. I think realistically you could get it

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Speaker 5: too second round that much. I think realistically teams get desperate.

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01:46:52,120 --> 01:46:54,799
Speaker 5: Mohammed Sanu was once traded for a second round pick. True,

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01:46:55,840 --> 01:46:58,160
Speaker 5: and so if you need something and it's the deadline

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01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:01,599
Speaker 5: and it's need and all right, AJ McCahon was almost

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01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:03,280
Speaker 5: traded for a second and a third. Remember that day,

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01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:06,040
Speaker 5: I do. I was the most excited maybe I've ever been.

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Speaker 1: I remember it well. So a two because.

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Speaker 5: If you're the Bengals, you could say you're not getting them.

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01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:15,560
Speaker 5: You're not getting them. You're not getting them, You're not

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Speaker 5: getting them. And if a team really needs a pass rusher,

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Speaker 5: reasonable contract free agent at the end of the year,

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Speaker 5: as good of one as you're gonna find on the market,

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Speaker 5: I think you get a two.

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Speaker 1: They have three games between now and the deadline, which

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Speaker 1: is the fourth November fourth, November fourth, so three games

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Speaker 1: between now and then, if they win two of the

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Speaker 1: next three and they're four and five and they get

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Speaker 1: that offer a two for Trey Hendrickson at four and five,

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01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:49,200
Speaker 1: which means they will have won two of the next

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01:47:49,240 --> 01:47:52,000
Speaker 1: three four and five, they will still be in the

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Speaker 1: thick of things, at least for a playoff spot. Yep.

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Speaker 1: Should they pull the trigger in trade trade four and five?

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01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:04,000
Speaker 5: How is such a big factor here? How they got

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01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:06,960
Speaker 5: to four and five, what's going on around them, how

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01:48:07,080 --> 01:48:10,160
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow is progressing. How they feel about the state

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01:48:10,200 --> 01:48:11,960
Speaker 5: of things moving forward. Do they feel like they're going

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Speaker 5: to be seven and five and have good vibes or

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Speaker 5: does it feel like they're four and five clinging on

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Speaker 5: still and you usually know, like you usually know which way.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna go.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, last year, because you had Joe, you held out

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Speaker 5: hope until the Steelers did what they did in December.

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Speaker 5: I felt like that the Bengals still had a shot

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Speaker 5: and they were four and seven and during that game.

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Speaker 5: So I think they'll still feel like they have a shot.

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Speaker 5: Knowing them, but if you're two and five, I already know,

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Speaker 5: like it's already done to me. To me, I don't

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Speaker 5: think they'll feel that way.

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Speaker 4: So two and five, and then they still beat the Jets, still,

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Speaker 4: you know, handle business at home against the Chicago Bears

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Speaker 4: a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit momentum four and five.

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Speaker 4: You still feel like if that offer were to be presented,

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Speaker 4: a two for Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 1: Still lean that way. Yes, I do.

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Speaker 5: And it's because of all the things we talked about

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Speaker 5: earlier in the hour of where this roster is, where

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01:49:09,240 --> 01:49:10,960
Speaker 5: it needs to be, what they need to do, all

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01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:15,120
Speaker 5: the things. They're so top heavy, and at some point

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01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:18,559
Speaker 5: you need to get something for one of those chips

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01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:21,080
Speaker 5: so you can be and they're gonna have to draft. Well,

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01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:22,479
Speaker 5: but guess what every team.

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Speaker 1: Has to draft? Well like that just.

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01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:27,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, give it's a bare minimum that you have to

2294
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:29,360
Speaker 5: do get your draft picks right. Well, yeah, that's true.

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01:49:29,880 --> 01:49:32,360
Speaker 5: So it can change in a hurry. Think about how

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Speaker 5: we thought about the twenty twenty team and then twenty

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Speaker 5: one and twenty twenty two. It can change in a hurry. Right,

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01:49:37,240 --> 01:49:39,599
Speaker 5: you have to start pressing the right buttons, and that

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Speaker 5: has not been the case consistently enough over the past

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Speaker 5: few years.

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Speaker 4: You know who's pressing the right buttons. Scott Ciderfield, Big

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Speaker 4: twelve Coach of the Year. His team is now five

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Speaker 4: and one ranked in both major pleas. We're gonna say

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01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:52,040
Speaker 4: tarm Bland term Bland always presses the right buttons, which

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01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:54,080
Speaker 4: is it's been nice because the guy he took over

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01:49:54,120 --> 01:50:00,320
Speaker 4: for bum. I'm guessing you were en route to Green

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01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:02,639
Speaker 4: Bay on Saturday. I was so didn't get a chance

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Speaker 4: to dive into Cincinnatis.

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Speaker 1: It was a weird game.

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Speaker 5: I listened to some of it, but there was a

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Speaker 5: lot of a lot of people in the car, so yes, yes,

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Speaker 5: weird game.

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Speaker 1: The weird game.

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Speaker 4: You CF had a seventeen play drive that ended in

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Speaker 4: a punt. They ran fifty I think in the second

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01:50:16,360 --> 01:50:18,479
Speaker 4: half fifty seven plays in the second half you see

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01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:20,800
Speaker 4: ran like forty four for the game. Yep, you never

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01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:25,240
Speaker 4: felt like UCF was going to win. But the performance

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01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:27,439
Speaker 4: itself from the the Bearcats. The defense was on the

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Speaker 4: field for way too much. The offense kind of spun

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Speaker 4: its tires, you know, specifically starting with the play where

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01:50:33,960 --> 01:50:35,880
Speaker 4: Sores be tripped over a guy and they had to

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01:50:35,960 --> 01:50:37,680
Speaker 4: settle for a field goal. In the second half, I

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01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:40,840
Speaker 4: think you see had thirteen snaps up until their final drive.

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Speaker 4: The special teams was awesome. But they are three and

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Speaker 4: zero in the Big twelve. Yep, they are ranked. And

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01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:50,040
Speaker 4: the arrow was pointed upward as we say.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, I love it. One.

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Speaker 5: This is the beauty of a starting fast. Yeah, because

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01:50:55,240 --> 01:50:57,599
Speaker 5: if you hit a little mid game, it's okay. There's

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01:50:57,640 --> 01:50:59,320
Speaker 5: wiggle room and you don't feel like the world is

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01:50:59,320 --> 01:50:59,720
Speaker 5: gaving in.

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01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:00,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:02,760
Speaker 5: And so that's a good example of that. But no,

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01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:07,240
Speaker 5: I think it's fun. Yeah, Bearcats football is fun again. Yeah,

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01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:08,720
Speaker 5: and that's a great place to be.

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01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:09,920
Speaker 1: I'm not.

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Speaker 5: Thinking about the CFP like some or winning the Big Twelve.

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Speaker 1: I'm not there.

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Speaker 5: No, I'm like, man, they're twenty fourth in the country

2341
01:51:18,439 --> 01:51:20,960
Speaker 5: and it's a beautiful thing. Yeah, and that's that's great.

2342
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:23,360
Speaker 5: It's been fun to watch them this year, and I

2343
01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:26,400
Speaker 5: hope that continues because they've I mean, that was a

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01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:29,519
Speaker 5: weird it was a weird tea. It wasn't necessarily fun

2345
01:51:29,560 --> 01:51:31,720
Speaker 5: that day. Yeah, but it's been fun over all to watch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:51:32,040 --> 01:51:35,639
Speaker 4: Look, UCF isn't great. I'm not sure how good Iowa

2348
01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:38,760
Speaker 4: stay it is. Colorado beat them, Kansas I think is okay.

2349
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:41,320
Speaker 4: They don't play Texas Tech. They don't play the team

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Speaker 4: that I think unequivocally looks like the best in the

2351
01:51:44,439 --> 01:51:47,040
Speaker 4: Big twelve. I think the thing for me that I

2352
01:51:47,160 --> 01:51:49,360
Speaker 4: like Chad and I were talking about this before you

2353
01:51:49,439 --> 01:51:51,439
Speaker 4: and I went on the air. The special team's play

2354
01:51:51,479 --> 01:51:54,840
Speaker 4: is so dramatically better. It was such a weakness last year.

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01:51:54,920 --> 01:51:57,519
Speaker 4: It's so much better this season. I think this is

2356
01:51:57,560 --> 01:52:01,040
Speaker 4: also the first year where in every phase they bring

2357
01:52:01,240 --> 01:52:04,000
Speaker 4: Big twelve caliber athletes to the table.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so they don't get pushed around.

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Speaker 4: Their offensive line is an asset, one of the very

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Speaker 4: best in the country. I think from a size and

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Speaker 4: speed and physicality perspective, they no longer look outmanned, and

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Speaker 4: so last year it fell apart right they were five

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Speaker 4: and two, and then you know, the Big twelve kind

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01:52:21,439 --> 01:52:23,559
Speaker 4: of caught up to them. The lack of explosiveness on

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01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:25,559
Speaker 4: the outside kind of caught up to them. I don't

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01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:27,360
Speaker 4: think that's gonna happen this year. I'm not telling you

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Speaker 4: they're going to run the table. I don't think they will,

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Speaker 4: But I feel like they're just from a personnel perspective,

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Speaker 4: better equipped to handle what.

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Speaker 1: The league is gonna throw at them in the second

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Speaker 1: half of the season.

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Speaker 5: I think you're right, and that's what you're seeing is

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01:52:40,840 --> 01:52:43,160
Speaker 5: you win a game where you don't play well really

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01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:47,920
Speaker 5: and you're able to win it ugly, but you still

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01:52:47,960 --> 01:52:52,559
Speaker 5: win it. And a couple of weeks ago when it's

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01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:55,080
Speaker 5: down the stretch and you're like, ah, man, these are

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01:52:55,120 --> 01:52:57,599
Speaker 5: games they've lost for them to start to pull those

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01:52:57,680 --> 01:52:59,519
Speaker 5: out for sores b to make plays like he has

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01:53:00,240 --> 01:53:02,120
Speaker 5: that big plays early in the game the other day.

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01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:07,439
Speaker 5: This team plus the special teams, they can actually kick. Yeah,

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01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:10,760
Speaker 5: we don't have to like uh huh sweat everything, you know,

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01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:11,840
Speaker 5: Like that's what like.

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Speaker 4: We talk about this with the Bengals sometimes and Evan

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01:53:13,800 --> 01:53:16,160
Speaker 4: McPherson and granted he missed one yesterday, but like it

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01:53:16,240 --> 01:53:18,080
Speaker 4: informs your play calling, you know.

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Speaker 1: Sure it informs your quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Player where it's like I don't have to play hero

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01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:23,439
Speaker 4: ball because I've got the three points in my back.

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Speaker 1: Pop. Yeah it's huge. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Meanwhile, Luke Fickle lost thirty seven nothing, still has a

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01:53:28,200 --> 01:53:31,080
Speaker 4: job for now. And James Franklin over the next six

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01:53:31,160 --> 01:53:33,560
Speaker 4: years is gonna earn twenty two thousand, eight hundred and

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01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:35,360
Speaker 4: thirty one dollars per day to not work.

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Speaker 5: That's a beautiful thing.

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01:53:37,160 --> 01:53:40,639
Speaker 4: These college football people like honors the players make him

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01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:44,280
Speaker 4: too much. These coaches can suck and never beat anybody

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01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:47,160
Speaker 4: good and get paid dozens of millions of dollars to

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Speaker 4: go away.

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Speaker 1: He's getting a Chevy Malibu a day to not coach.

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Speaker 4: Twenty two eight hundred thirty one dollars a day to

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01:53:53,560 --> 01:53:57,559
Speaker 4: do nothing. James Franklin, the greatest rocket going.

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Speaker 5: You think I could go to his banking back? My

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01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:00,280
Speaker 5: name's James.

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Speaker 1: You think that'll work? Best of what?

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Speaker 5: I'll just have a puzzled book on my face and

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01:54:06,439 --> 01:54:08,120
Speaker 5: I'll put I'll wear this ad set.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I'll definitely think I'm in.

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Speaker 4: I can't thank you enough for doing this. Of course

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Speaker 4: he'll be with me in Florence next week and I look.

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Speaker 1: Forward to it.

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Speaker 5: Thanks appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: Go to Bengals dot dot com, Bengals Talk dot com,

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Speaker 4: check out Enter the Jungle on YouTube and listen to

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