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Speaker 3: It's five minutes after three o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: We are. We are going to figure out how to

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Speaker 2: have to turn on your microphone. Oh well, there you are. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it's me all right man. You good.

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Speaker 3: I've been in your seat before. I've seen that panic look.

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Speaker 3: I've worn that panic expression before.

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Speaker 2: I get it. Kind of looks like a Bengals linebacker.

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Speaker 2: That kind of looks like a Bengal safety. Yeah, kind

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Speaker 2: Kind of looks like a Bengals fan.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you're here.

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Speaker 3: There is a lot to discuss, there is in this

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Speaker 2: I was I was happy to read your piece on Jamarch.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, because it can't And we're not going to

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Speaker 3: I honestly think there's larger issues to discuss and frankly,

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Speaker 3: He did something that has gotten him suspended. We'll see

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Speaker 5: Well, it's kind of funny because I think over the

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Speaker 5: One person makes a mistake and they are just eviscerated

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Speaker 3: I said this to you on the Growler today, which

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Speaker 3: I thought he handled the questions about Jamar and Chase.

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Speaker 3: He acknowledged what happened, didn't try to insult our intelligence

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Speaker 5: So I think just to say it, to own up

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Speaker 5: stop building around Jamar Chase, then fairness, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 2: But that was genuine like that.

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Speaker 5: It certainly at least didn't come across as some sort

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Speaker 5: I think that was just genuine truth and honesty about

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Speaker 3: if I meant to spit on him, I would have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would imagine, and then next man up. So

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Speaker 3: Tell inform Jermaine that they play at one o'clock on Sunday,

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Speaker 3: Jermaine nine catches.

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Speaker 5: Burton game, Jamainberg game. Yeah you're sure that's the way

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Speaker 3: What was most frustrating to me about Sunday. The Jamar

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Speaker 3: And he says, yes, okay, twenty to twelve, big boy,

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Speaker 2: And what we said this last week, right, this is

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Speaker 3: it didn't matter.

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Speaker 2: It looked way too easy.

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Speaker 3: Ballgame over, season over, and what we thought was going

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Speaker 5: Is this is who they are. This is who they've been.

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Speaker 5: They've been this team all year. They they squeaked out

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Speaker 5: Right now right? I mean, it's it's hard to know.

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Speaker 5: It's doesn't always go the way you think. Sometimes there

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but it doesn't feel like all of these How

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Speaker 3: Twenty minutes after three o'clock, Paul Dannerje, you're so dark,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a long way off.

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Speaker 2: What's up with Trey Hendrickson? Some big question? Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think, you know, doubtful again obviously this week.

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Speaker 2: I might have come back too early.

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Speaker 5: I want to make sure I'm all the way one

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Speaker 5: And it's and you know, it's easy to sit there

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Speaker 5: the year. There is no It is not my place

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Speaker 5: one really knows the level of paint whatever. The Bengals

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Speaker 5: they're about to head into free agency of offseason because

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Speaker 5: I think there's there's probably something in the middle there

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Speaker 3: I need for me, I need a Joe Burrow December surprise.

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Speaker 3: We're after a game that I assume he's going to

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Speaker 2: Of ready to move on for for your your content,

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Speaker 2: seven weeks, Okay, we need last year in Dallas to happen.

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Speaker 3: We need we have seven games, Okay, I I could

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Speaker 2: So yes, well that's.

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Speaker 5: That's the other thing, you know, like we we go

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Speaker 2: Right? How are we going to get to the end

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Speaker 5: Joe Burrow took care of it, and it became him

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Speaker 5: I don't know like what that Maybe that is coming.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure there'll be something. There's always drama in CNFL,

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Speaker 5: but something besides who's gonna get fired that can get

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well I can hope, Yeah, you can hope. Man,

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Speaker 2: it just feels done, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: It does, and it feels like it should have been done.

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Speaker 3: And you and I have talked about this exhaustively. You've

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Speaker 3: talked about it with me. This, Trey Hendrickson, this year

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Speaker 3: It should have ended months ago.

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Speaker 5: Yes, And yeah, absolutely, because it's just everybody would have

439
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Speaker 5: been better off. But and it just it's this is

440
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Speaker 5: that this is that end part or where you just

441
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Speaker 5: like there's just where they're they're in the divorce hearings

442
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Speaker 5: probably and there's just like resentment and staring across the

443
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Speaker 5: table watching them eat, like I hate the way you eat.

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Speaker 2: You know. It just feels like it's like that right now.

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Speaker 3: As a veteran of divorce, I I could tell you

446
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Speaker 3: my main objective was to avoid acknowledging we're getting divorced,

447
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 3: but hey, we're gonna live with each other for a

448
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Speaker 3: few weeks. I wasn't doing that and this is why,

449
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 3: because this is what they're doing.

450
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Speaker 2: Yes, and it's it's not good for anybody.

451
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Speaker 5: No, it's it's not. But you know, here we are,

452
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Speaker 5: we're None of this is good for anybody right now.

453
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Speaker 2: Neither is Geno Stone. And we'll talk about him next.

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Speaker 2: Jah the Jamar appeal whenever that I haven't, I haven't.

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Speaker 3: How does that happen? What has a an appeal of

476
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Speaker 3: disciplinary action happen?

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Speaker 2: How does it happen? Quick phone call, zoom meeting. I

478
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Speaker 2: believe it says zoom. I believe it says. I don't

479
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Speaker 2: think get to fly anywhere or anything of that.

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Speaker 5: They can just a little zoom with Jordy Nelson, uh

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Speaker 5: and then then a report back of what that appeal

482
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Speaker 5: finding is.

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Speaker 3: So would they just go get like random players from

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Speaker 3: the early twenty tens and they.

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Speaker 2: Hear the appeals? I think they're part of it's a

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Speaker 2: predetermined committee. Yes. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: College basketball Tonight, Xavier is hosting Old Dominion at seven

488
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Speaker 3: o'clock on seven hundred WLW Kentucky and Michigan State play

489
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Speaker 3: at Madison Square Garden at six thirty pregame at five

490
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Speaker 3: on ESPN fifteen thirty. The Cyclones played this against the

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Speaker 3: Toledo Walleye and won.

492
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Speaker 2: Five to four.

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Speaker 3: Field trip day, they had nearly thirteen thousand fans downtown.

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Speaker 2: My daughter was there. I saw the press release and

495
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Speaker 2: I'm like, did I have gone to that game? Yeah? Yeah,

496
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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 5: The schools all sent everybody down there to go to

498
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Speaker 5: the game. We were talking all about the rules, and

499
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Speaker 5: I said, wait, who.

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Speaker 2: Do they play? Did they play the Walleye? That's always

501
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Speaker 2: my favorite? And I'll be dog gone there they were.

502
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Speaker 2: They were playing the Wall.

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Speaker 3: The Cyclones play the Walleye about forty five times, Wheeling

504
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Speaker 3: Naylor's the other thirty five games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The Columbus Blue Jackets play at Winnipeg tonight. After winning

507
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Speaker 3: last night in Montreal four to three in a shootout.

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Speaker 2: Paul Danner Junior's here.

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Speaker 5: We did get to explain the penalty box to my

510
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Speaker 5: daughter this one. It was kind of a fun thing

511
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Speaker 5: to to see the look on somebody's eye, like, wait,

512
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Speaker 5: they just they put them in a they just put

513
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Speaker 5: them over there and they shove them.

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Speaker 2: In a box.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm not going to be home tonight, but

516
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Speaker 3: what I might do is call my daughter and tell her, Hey,

517
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Speaker 3: there were schools that got to go to a hockey

518
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Speaker 3: game today while you were sitting in school, and then

519
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Speaker 3: let my wife deal with that for the rest of

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Speaker 3: the evening. The neighborhood kids who go to I see

521
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Speaker 3: no problems here other schools when they have days off

522
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Speaker 3: and she doesn't. It's it's a thing in my house.

523
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Speaker 5: Oh no, you can't feel left out, Absolutely not, especially

524
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Speaker 5: not one like that.

525
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Speaker 2: Joe Flacco hurt. I don't. I think he's okay. Yeah,

526
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Speaker 2: I mean I can only you know, we haven't.

527
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Speaker 5: We'll see if he participates in the same fashion that

528
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Speaker 5: he has. I mean he's hurt, is I guess the

529
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Speaker 5: question is is he injured more now than he was

530
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Speaker 5: last week when he didn't throw on Wednesday?

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think so. But that's kind of

532
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 2: going off the same thing that you guys probably heard

533
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Speaker 2: from the press conference and watching him.

534
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Speaker 3: He's doing this weird thing where it looks like he

535
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Speaker 3: was trying to get his wallet out of his back

536
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Speaker 3: pocket but he couldn't.

537
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not what you do when you're killing normal.

538
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Speaker 5: No, I I think he's I mean, I think they

539
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 5: felt like he was better heading into this previous this

540
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Speaker 5: game than he was certainly the week before. But they

541
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Speaker 5: felt like there was a significant difference there. And first

542
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Speaker 5: of that, TJ. Watt hit he knew what he was doing. Yes,

543
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 5: like that, that was not a that was clear into

544
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Speaker 5: the game, saying when I get a shot, I might

545
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Speaker 5: get a penalty, but I'm driving that shoulder into the ground.

546
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Speaker 5: I you know, this is from the same group that

547
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Speaker 5: was punching him the last time they played, right, So

548
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Speaker 5: you know, no, no surprise on that, but that, yeah,

549
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Speaker 5: that so maybe that was part of the impact he

550
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 5: seems to suggest. They seem just okay, that's one that

551
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Speaker 5: will probably that's all follow the actions situation. We'll see

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Speaker 5: what Wednesday and Thursday.

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Speaker 3: If if it were to be a thing where you

554
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Speaker 3: know what, Joe doesn't feel it, would they accelerate the

555
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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow timeline and have him play.

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Speaker 2: Against the Patriots. No, I don't think so. Jake Browning time,

557
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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I think that would be the move.

558
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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't see a world where they they ship Burrow

560
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Speaker 5: out there just because they're not sure where to go next.

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Speaker 2: Still hoping that Burrow plays on Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 5: I mean that's the first day that's even in play.

563
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Speaker 5: I would say where there's even a conversation when.

564
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Speaker 3: When they add him to the excuse me, when they

565
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 3: add him to the active roster, what happens to Jake Browning?

566
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Speaker 2: I think he stays on. I think they go with three.

567
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 5: I mean they have three now Clifford emergency thirds hitch,

568
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 5: So I think that you probably still have the same

569
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Speaker 5: situation Clifford out in Burrow up is probably your keep.

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Speaker 5: Three around would be my guess. I don't think that

571
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Speaker 5: they just they boot Jake Browning out the door necessarily.

572
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Speaker 3: How on earth could you have Geno Stone on the

573
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Speaker 3: field for you on Sunday?

574
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Speaker 5: For me, no Ginostone, I would be done with it.

575
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 5: He wouldn't have been around Monday at this point, especially

576
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 5: when the defense is so bad.

577
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 2: It's just.

578
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 5: Put players out there that care, that will prove that

579
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 5: they want to do it, that are trying to do its,

580
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 5: showing the effort to go for it, and that they

581
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 5: care about trying to make the play. I'm just you know,

582
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 5: I go back were Charlie and I were talking about

583
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 5: something rewatch going through some of this place, and it's like,

584
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 5: I go back to I remember Lou and Orumo talking

585
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 5: about this when their team was just garbage in twenty nineteen,

586
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 5: and it was it was a tail end of sort

587
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 5: of like the act of the dune lap thing was happening.

588
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 5: It felt like a lot of guys were checking out

589
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 5: and not really trying as much as they should to

590
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 5: the Miami game, right, But it felt like that was

591
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 5: the case, right, And his point was on the sudden,

592
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Speaker 5: all of a sudden, like dudes you've literally never heard

593
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 5: of were out there and in big spots tire right, yeah,

594
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Speaker 5: who I couldn't even I wish I could rip off

595
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,959
Speaker 5: all the names, but other than they were just as

596
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Speaker 5: obscure as it gets. And his point was, I just

597
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 5: want guys that I know are going to go out

598
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 5: there and try hard, even if they're nowhere nearest town,

599
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 5: to as the other guys, because if the effort's not there,

600
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 5: to me, That's where I'm at with this, Like I

601
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 5: don't know what the problem is with Tyson Anderson's ability

602
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 5: to understand the defense or get people in the.

603
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: Right spots or all the other stuff. That comes along

604
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Speaker 2: with it.

605
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Speaker 5: I mean, it's not like we've seen him go out

606
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 5: there and fail to do it in the game. I've

607
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 5: seen him and quit himself pretty well on special teams.

608
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 5: And it's also by the way, and indictment on the

609
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 5: fact they didn't fill the safety room out properly. If

610
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 5: you're just gonna let this continue to happen because you

611
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 5: have no other answer, if you don't have an answer

612
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 5: that you're willing to put in there that could be

613
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 5: better than whatever we're seeing now, then you have failed

614
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 5: to fill out that room properly.

615
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: Okay. So I just to me, that's that's.

616
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Speaker 5: What I want to know. What is what would be

617
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 5: so bad about trying that? How bad could it possibly be?

618
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 5: I just think you have to make a point of

619
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Speaker 5: I'm just gonna put guys out there that I know

620
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 5: are gonna play hard. That's what I want to I

621
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 5: want to see guys that are really going out.

622
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Speaker 3: With John Anthony PG Jewels literally anybody, yes, and maybe

623
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 3: you have something there and maybe you don't. And if

624
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 3: you don't, Okay, okay, what what are they gonna do?

625
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 2: Are they gonna be.

626
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 5: Now all of a sudden, No, they're not gonna be

627
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 5: any worse. It's impossible to be worse.

628
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Speaker 3: I mean, Genostone, his play has spoken for itself. On Sunday,

629
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: the lack of effort spoke for itself, and then for

630
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 3: him to stand in the locker room and talk about, well,

631
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: actually I thought we played okay. That guy's got some

632
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 3: big ones. Now, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna stand there

633
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 3: after just not trying it all to tackle Darnell Washington,

634
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna look at everybody that was more insulting

635
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: to my intelligence than Jamar.

636
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: Chase and he didn't spit.

637
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 5: I would have been mortified to face anyone knowing what

638
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 5: I had put out there, and to not only not

639
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 5: be mortified and be like, you know, I thought we

640
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 5: were playing better. Yeah, there were some people maybe that

641
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 5: were right, like I thought. There were a few people

642
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 5: that looked like they were like Miles Murphy. Miles Murphy

643
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 5: out of Miles Murphy's had his two best games as

644
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 5: a pro. The last two games, they've played like maybe

645
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 5: something's happening there and you're seeing some effort.

646
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: Maybe right, But my point is he played.

647
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 5: He played hard, hustle plays, Chase plays all the stuff

648
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 5: that we've kind of talked about him not having the gun,

649
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 5: bade out there and do it like show me that

650
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 5: show me Hustle plays, Chase plays, stick.

651
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: In your head.

652
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 5: And I give credit to Barrett Carter for saying, I'm

653
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 5: trying to bring Darnell Washington down.

654
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: That's fine. You know what.

655
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Speaker 5: You you went out there and you got post rized,

656
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 5: and and that's fine. That is way better than what

657
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Speaker 5: happened next when when you Ginos done goes out there

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Speaker 5: and gives.

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Speaker 2: The half shoulder situation.

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Speaker 5: So I'm just I think there's such a drastic difference

661
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Speaker 5: in the two. I'll I'll live with Barrett Carter's mistakes,

662
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 5: and there's so many of them. I mean, yeah, I'm

663
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Speaker 5: not saying I would want to, but you you live

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Speaker 5: with that way more than I live with whatever's happening

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Speaker 5: with some of the other guys things.

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Speaker 2: Here's how bad things have gone.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you were on social media last night,

668
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Speaker 3: but the Cowboys were playing the Raiders and what was

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Speaker 3: not a great Monday night football game. And what we're

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Speaker 3: doing now is we're hate watching Logan Wilson, and folks

671
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Speaker 3: are arguing about whether or not Logan Wilson is playing

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Speaker 3: well or not playing well, and this is where things

673
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 3: have gotten.

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Speaker 2: This is the depth. This is as a fan, this

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Speaker 2: might be rock bottom.

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Speaker 3: I look on social media and the discussion is Logan

677
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Speaker 3: Wilson looks good.

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Speaker 2: No he doesn't.

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Speaker 3: We're arguing over Logan Wilson, who was benched, wasn't making

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Speaker 3: plays before he got benched. That's where things are right now.

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Speaker 5: I've been I've done multiple shows this week where we've

682
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Speaker 5: said the phrase what about like Braylon Lux and Jalen Davis,

683
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Speaker 5: And I'm like, I cannot believe we've reached the Jalen

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Speaker 5: Davis and Braylin Lux portioned into the program. But it

685
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Speaker 5: does go there, like right, I don't know, man, Like

686
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Speaker 5: maybe those guys will go out there and tire. Maybe

687
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Speaker 5: we need more Joe Giles Harris in our life like that.

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Speaker 2: It's just that.

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Speaker 5: So but I'm saying, like, it's that's where that's where

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Speaker 5: it's at, man, And I don't we got.

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Speaker 3: A guy named Joe Giles Harris. Yeah, okay, yeah.

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Speaker 2: We can play a game by the end of the year.

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Speaker 3: We did this with Austin once because he tried to

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Speaker 3: claim he was an Ohio State basketball fan, and I said,

695
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 3: we're gonna play a game. I'm gonna give you three names.

696
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 3: You have to pick the one that's the Ohio State

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00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 3: basketball player. He of course failed miserably. We can do

698
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: the same with like guys who are playing for the

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Speaker 3: Bengals weeks.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen through eighteen. Yeah, okay, we'll do that, Joe Giles,

701
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Speaker 2: Harris Kenny Johnson, and Michael Kowalski. Yeah, pick the Bengal.

702
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Speaker 2: Picked the Bengal.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, We're get it out with the twenty nineteen guys.

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Speaker 5: I guess, yeah, that would that would be fun. We

705
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Speaker 5: go back to that list. I might have to pull

706
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Speaker 5: up the uh, the actual box score from that game.

707
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Speaker 2: To frustrate.

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Speaker 3: One of the many, many, many frustrating things is and

709
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Speaker 3: we got to break here, and you gotta go. But

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Speaker 3: the Pittsburgh Steelers are not good. No, the Baltimore Ravens

711
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Speaker 3: I think are the odds on favorite to win the division.

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Speaker 2: They probably will.

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Speaker 3: They're okay, like this division stinks to waste you wrote

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Speaker 3: that after the game, to waste this division.

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Speaker 2: There was stinks right in front of you, Right in

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Speaker 2: front of you.

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Speaker 5: All you had to do was put an okay defense

718
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Speaker 5: together and you would have been treated to the story

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Speaker 5: of Joe Flacco handing the torch to Joe Burrow. You

720
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Speaker 5: would have been treated with that because you'd be sitting

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Speaker 5: there at whatever, five and four, whatever you wanted to

722
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Speaker 5: be sitting there at. You had all of that in

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Speaker 5: front of you. But the defense was this bad, and

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Speaker 5: so instead we have these seven games in front of us.

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Speaker 3: Joe Giles Harris joined the Bengals, recently activated from Nyack,

726
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Speaker 3: New York. His brother plays for the Denver Outlaws of

727
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Speaker 3: the Premier Lacrosse. I'm learning all about Joe Giles Harris.

728
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 3: He was signed to the active rosster October thirties. It's

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Speaker 3: a big week for him.

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Speaker 2: Patriots Week former Patriots.

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Speaker 3: Oh you know when you get into like the Wikipedia

732
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Speaker 3: pay and there's multiple parentheses first in Patriots, Jags, Bengals. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean a lot of stints for Joe.

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Speaker 2: Well, good luck to him.

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Speaker 3: I hope he's you mean you watching him play a

736
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Speaker 3: lot more. Fortunately alcohol is legal. Thank you very much,

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Speaker 3: so pleasure and we'll talk to you two weeks.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to it.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy your time away, enjoy Thanksgiving in Baltimore, and thank

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Speaker 3: you as all. Can't wait listen to the Growler podcast.

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Speaker 3: Here at Oakley Greens. We love doing the show here.

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Speaker 3: We are done early today, UK Hoops at five o'clock.

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Speaker 3: The pregame show Wildcats and Michigan State in the Champion.

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Speaker 3: It's classic this year it's at Madison Square Garden. Tip

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Speaker 3: off at six point thirty. By the way, the Reds

791
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 3: just announced a couple of transactions. I think the one

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Speaker 3: that might stand out more than any is they have

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Speaker 3: dfaed Carson Spires. They have selected from Double A Edwin

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Speaker 3: Arroyo and Leo Balkassar, and also selected from Louisville the

795
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Speaker 3: contract of outfielder Hector Rodriguez. As listening as they do

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Speaker 3: every day to Tony and Austin talk about Hunter Green,

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Speaker 3: and there has been a Mark Sheldon ama ask me

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Speaker 3: anything at reds dot com where he has answered a

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Speaker 3: lot of questions about his reporting on Hunter Green.

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Speaker 2: And Mark is a.

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Speaker 3: Terrific reporter and covers the Reds and covers baseball very objectively.

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Speaker 2: For reds dot Com.

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Speaker 3: He has written about and he had readers who were

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Speaker 3: asking him about the reporting that maybe the Reds would

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Speaker 3: trade Hunter Green. He hasn't reported that they will. He

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00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 3: reported that it's likely go read for yourself. It's easy

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00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 3: to find at Reds dot com. Hunter Green being traded

808
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 3: has come up often and you can take this with

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Speaker 3: a Green asst. I like Hunter Green. I understand some

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Speaker 3: people's frustration with Hunter Green. First of all, on the

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Speaker 3: postseason fin pitch well they needed him to. Secondly, he

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00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 3: may have slow played the return from his injury. It's

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Speaker 3: not up to me to definitively say that he did

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Speaker 3: or didn't, but there are many close to the organization

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Speaker 3: and I think in the organization, who feel that he

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00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 3: could have hit the gas a little bit more in

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00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 3: his return from his injury this year. But he's also

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Speaker 3: a cost controlled staff ace. In the month of September,

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00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 3: he pitched the best two games of the season by

820
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Speaker 3: any Reds pitcher against the Mets on that Sunday that

821
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: the NFL season started, and nobody was paying attention. On

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Speaker 3: that Thursday night against the Chicago Cubs when he won

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Speaker 3: the game, won nothing. Hunter Green has limitless potential. Now

824
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 3: Reds need a bat, frankly could use more than one bat.

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Speaker 3: And you know, if if you, if you believe as

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Speaker 3: most do, that they're not gonna jump into the Kyle

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Speaker 3: Schwarber sweepstakes. And you believe that they're not gonna go

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Speaker 3: overboard and spending money for a free agent slugger, then

829
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 3: there's certainly some validity to the idea that they're gonna

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Speaker 3: have to trade to get a hitter. And if you're

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Speaker 3: gonna trade to get a hitter, you're gonna trade from

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Speaker 3: where you're pretty well stocked. And the Reds are pretty

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00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 3: well stocked when it comes to starting pitcher. But I

834
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Speaker 3: think it is a misnomer to suggest that they have

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Speaker 3: such an overabundance of starting pitching that they they can

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Speaker 3: just start shopping a lot of people, including a staff control,

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Speaker 3: a cause controlled staff ace, like they have a lot

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Speaker 3: of really talented pitchers who are established. Did Andrew Abbott

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Speaker 3: maybe just have his greatest ever season?

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Speaker 2: Worth wondering?

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00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 3: Nicolodolo Is has got a world of upside and at

842
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 3: times can be absolutely terrific. Are we so bought in

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00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 3: on his ability to stay healthy that we're willing to

844
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 3: trade away a staff ace. Chase Burns just got to

845
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 3: the big leagues this past season. Rhett Louder just missed

846
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 3: an entire season. They needed starting pitching last year so

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00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 3: much that they traded to get a starting pitcher in

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Speaker 3: Zach Lyttel. Like Number one, I hear it all the time,

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Speaker 3: you can't have enough starting pitching.

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00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 2: Well, if that's.

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00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 3: True, then you don't hoard arms necessarily, and you don't

852
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 3: refuse trade requests if a team is interested in one

853
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 3: of your starting pitchers and is willing to give you

854
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: something of value, but you're not exactly cavalier about just

855
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 3: trading away arms like number two. Are we really sure

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00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 3: they have a surplus? Are we really sure they are

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Speaker 3: so well stocked with starting pitching that they could trade

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Speaker 3: away their best starting pitcher. By the way, you don't

859
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 3: have to do anything with this contract. The cost control

860
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 3: has a lot to do with this. Hunter Green this

861
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 3: year is gonna get about a two million dollar raise.

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00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 3: I've said it often. Last year he was like the

863
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 3: eighty second highest paid starting pitcher in baseball. He's gonna

864
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 3: get a nominal raise this year. Do we want him

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Speaker 3: to get through a full season where he makes thirty

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Speaker 3: two or thirty three starts? Absolutely, Until the Reds make

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Speaker 3: the postseason again and put a Hunter Green on a

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Speaker 3: playoff mound, is it gonna be fair to wonder if

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Speaker 3: he's gonna rise to the occasion on a stage like that. Absolutely,

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Speaker 3: but are they really so well stocked when it comes

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Speaker 3: to starting pitching that they could be dismissive cavalier or

872
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 3: that willing to trade away a cost controlled staff ace.

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Speaker 3: I don't think the answer is yes. Twelve minutes after

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Speaker 3: four o'clock, this is ESPN fifteen thirty, Sean Saya it

875
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 3: Stats and the Scheme Newsletter is gonna join us in

876
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: just about ten minutes.

877
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 2: We'll spend some time on.

878
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: UC football at a bit of a crossroads as well,

879
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 3: and Taylor Twelman from MLS Season Pass on Apple TV

880
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 3: is gonna join us before we get out of here

881
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 3: at five o'clock. One more segment from my end on

882
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 3: Jamar Chase. Jamar Chase has been suspended. My guess is

883
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 3: the suspension is upheld and he doesn't play on Sunday.

884
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 3: And when you do something that puts you at the

885
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 3: mercy of the league, to me, you get what's coming

886
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 3: to you. And if you don't like that, then Jamar

887
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 3: should take it up with his union. Nobody in their

888
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 3: right mind condones what Jamar Chase did. I said this

889
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 3: yesterday They're not gonna take away your Bengals jersey. They're

890
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 3: not gonna take away your Jamar Chase jersey if you go.

891
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 3: You know what, Jamar shouldn't have done that. Like, we

892
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 3: could be reasonable about this. You can love someone, could

893
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 3: root for someone, you can look up to someone, you

894
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 3: can revere someone, but not condone every single thing they do.

895
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 3: I am a parent of an eight year old. I

896
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: love my daughter more than anything on the planet. When

897
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 3: she does stuff wrong, I'll say, you did something wrong.

898
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: It's my job.

899
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 3: Like you can do that. You can do that as

900
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 3: a boss, you can do that as a sports fan.

901
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 3: I feel the same way about Jamar Chase today as

902
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 3: I did on Sunday morning. Wonderful player. I think he's

903
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 3: a good guy, cornerstone of the team, immensely fun to watch,

904
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 3: central to what the Bengals want to be, by all accounts,

905
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 3: a great teammate, by all accounts, a good guy.

906
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 2: He did something.

907
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 3: Extraordinarily stupid and regrettable, and whatever comes his way in

908
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 3: terms of punishment, he deserves. But there's a handful of

909
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 3: things I believe in. One is I'm a body of

910
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 3: work guy. I'll just make this about sports. My favorite

911
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 3: all time baseball player is Barry Larkin. Occasionally, when I

912
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 3: say this, someone will say, hey, yeah, but he took

913
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 3: the captain c off his chest. Okay, how about the

914
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 3: eighteen years of excellent play at shortstop. Isn't that body

915
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 3: of work so good that you're willing to overlook this

916
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 3: one relatively benign thing. I'm a huge UC football fan.

917
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 3: Luke Fickel is the greatest coach in the history of

918
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 3: the school. I root for Luke Fickele.

919
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 2: I hate that it's gone sideways for him in Madison.

920
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 3: I don't think it's ever gonna go well, well, yeah,

921
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 3: but it's how it ended and kind of got sideways

922
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 3: at the end, and you know, it was kind of

923
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 3: checked out.

924
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 2: That last year.

925
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was also really cool playing in three straight

926
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 3: conference championship games, wasn't it was need Playing in the

927
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 3: Peach Bowl. It's kind of cool. Playing in the Cotton Bowl,

928
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 3: being in the playoff, that was kind of cool. I'm

929
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 3: a body of work guy. Jamar Chase's body of work

930
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 3: to this point has been exemplary. Exemplary. He already right

931
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 3: now and this is saying something. If you know anything

932
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 3: about Chad Johnson and all the wide receivers the Bengals

933
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: have had. He might be the greatest wide receiver in

934
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 3: the history of the franchise. He's one of the very

935
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 3: best in the league. I look at the body of

936
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: work on field and off. Has he popped off emotionally

937
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 3: at times?

938
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 2: Sure? Has he done so in a way that has

939
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:06,720
Speaker 2: compromised his team?

940
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 6: No?

941
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 3: Again, you can acknowledge all that, acknowledge that what he

942
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 3: did on Sunday is not good, and still look at

943
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 3: the overall body at work and arrive at the conclusion

944
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 3: that Jamar Chase is a net plus for the Cincinnati

945
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 3: Bepanals and will continue to be so if the pattern

946
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 3: of behavior he is established for nearly five years continues.

947
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 3: I also believe in this man. I believe in in

948
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 3: not necessarily passing judgment on people based on their worst moment.

949
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 3: I'm much older than Jamar Chase. I've done a lot

950
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 3: of really stupid things in my life. I've done a

951
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 3: lot of things that I'm not proud of. I've done

952
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 3: some things I am ashamed of. I'm lucky that I

953
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 3: have people in my life that don't judge me by

954
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 3: by my worst moments. I'm a big believer in this

955
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 3: and if this makes me, I don't know, an apologist

956
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 3: or a homer or bleeding heart, I don't. I don't

957
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 3: know what this categorizes me as. I just I am

958
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 3: a firm believer in you don't pass judgment on people

959
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: based on their lowest moment, on their worst moment, on

960
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 3: their worst moment of judgment. Again, and I can't emphasize

961
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 3: this enough. You don't spit on people. You don't spit

962
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 3: on people in the athletic arena, you don't spin on

963
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 3: people in everyday life.

964
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 2: You just you don't. And if the NFL.

965
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 3: Upholds the punishment and he can't play on Sunday, that's

966
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 3: Jamar Chase's fault, not the NFL's fault. But in terms

967
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 3: of judging him, I am a huge believer and always

968
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 3: will be in people have low points, and people do

969
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 3: bad things, and if that is reflective of who you are,

970
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 3: then those things get repeated, and there's a pattern of

971
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 3: behavior that gets repeated. I don't believe that's gonna happen

972
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 3: with Jamar Chase. By the way, if it does well,

973
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 3: then we're gonna judge him differently than we do now.

974
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 3: Bengals have had some guys that I've looked at and

975
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 3: said the hatternough behavior as such that I can't help

976
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 3: but think that that's who they are. Fontez Perfect's transgressions

977
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 3: were limited to on the field, but I thought he

978
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 3: played recklessly. I thought he played selfishly, and so it's

979
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 3: not judging him by his lowest moment. His lowest moment

980
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 3: I thought came in that twenty fifteen playoff game against

981
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 3: the Steelers. But he never overcame that, he never got

982
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 3: past it never felt to me like he learned from it.

983
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 3: Adam Jones, I have absolutely no use for that guy

984
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 3: because he continues to get in trouble. He's the common denominator.

985
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 3: It's not about judging him by his worst moment. It's

986
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 3: about seeing a pattern of behavior and going, you know what,

987
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 3: I'm glad that dude's not an active NFL player playing

988
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 3: for the team I care about. With Jamar Chase, I

989
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 3: just it's an isolated incident, a bad one, an awful

990
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 3: look for him, and not even just the punishment. Whatever

991
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 3: short term scrutiny comes his way, he is earned and

992
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 3: he's gonna have to answer to.

993
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 2: But I don't feel at all.

994
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 3: That any one of us who loves watching Jamar Chase

995
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 3: should feel bad about it, should feel ashamed of it,

996
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 3: should feel like we have to have serious conversations with

997
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 3: ourselves or our kids about Jamar Chase did something you

998
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 3: shouldn't have done. I'm still left to believe that he's

999
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 3: a good dude, a worthwhile character, an easy player to

1000
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 3: root for, And I do not believe in allowing these

1001
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 3: isolated things to define who you are. Again, I'm sure

1002
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 3: many will disagree. I'm sure most who disagree hate the

1003
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 3: Cincinnati Bengals, and many probably love the Pittsburgh Steelers. I

1004
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 3: don't do this about athletes on other teams. I just

1005
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 3: in life. If you judge everybody by their worst moment,

1006
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 3: if you judge everybody by the thing that they're most

1007
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 3: ashamed of, you're not gonna like anyone. You're not gonna

1008
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 3: have any friends, probably not gonna have any family members

1009
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 3: who want to hang out with. I cannot tell you

1010
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 3: how many people would have abandoned me in my life

1011
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 3: if they judge me by my worst moments. And I

1012
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 3: think every single one of us could say the same thing.

1013
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 3: So Jamar, learn from it, take your punishment, be accountable,

1014
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 3: don't do it again, and keep doing everything else the

1015
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 3: way you have. Nineteen after four Sean Sayad, next.

1016
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 11: Talk, This is sports with soul, sweat and swagger. Tony Pike,

1017
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 11: Sincy three sixty Tomorrow at twelve noon on ESPN fifteen thirty,

1018
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 11: This is Football in the Natti, brought to you by

1019
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 11: Modern Office Methods on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home

1020
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 11: of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1021
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 3: All right, our guys, Sean Sayad from the Stats and

1022
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 3: Scheme newsletter from Summer Sports dot com is joining us.

1023
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 3: He's typically with us at five twenty, but our show's

1024
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 3: done early today at five o'clock. Really quick. Before we

1025
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 3: get to Sean. This had been talked about in high

1026
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 3: school football circles for at least since Sunday, but the

1027
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 3: Elder say next game is officially being moved to the

1028
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 3: venue originally known as Paul Brown Stadium. It's going to

1029
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 3: take place on Friday evening. If you already had tickets

1030
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 3: for the game at Mason High School, they will honor

1031
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 3: those tickets. You could order tickets for the game at

1032
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 3: OHSAA dot org slash tickets. They go on sale tomorrow

1033
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 3: at ten o'clock. They're going to make an incremental twenty

1034
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 3: thousand tickets available for sale. Kickoff is going to be

1035
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 3: at seven o'clock. They'll sell parking, all of that stuff.

1036
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,479
Speaker 3: So the elder say, next game, which students really didn't

1037
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 3: have access to because they went on sale while kids

1038
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 3: were in school, game was going to be at Mason

1039
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 3: High School. They are going to play it at PBS

1040
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 3: and again, get tickets at OHSAA dot org. Our guy,

1041
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 3: Sean Side is with US stats and scheme newsletter suomer

1042
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 3: sports dot com, which, by the way, make sure to

1043
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 3: check out sumer Brain. Sean, It's it's Groundhog Day for

1044
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 3: you and I, but it's good to have you.

1045
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,959
Speaker 12: How are you, Oh, it's great.

1046
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:02,959
Speaker 4: You know, it was fun to hear you talk about

1047
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 4: that high school football game. I obviously hope that all

1048
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 4: those people that end up going to that see some

1049
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 4: better tackling than what we have to talk about on

1050
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 4: a weekly basis.

1051
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 3: Better tackling and better effort like that's I think for

1052
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 3: a lot of us. The big takeaway from Pittsburgh. You

1053
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 3: can come up with whatever schemes you want. When you

1054
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 3: have players who are allergic to contact, it doesn't matter.

1055
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 4: I think you know what you see some effort, good

1056
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 4: effort from Miles Murphy, like you're excited to see ow, Okay,

1057
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 4: this could be a player that's part of your defense

1058
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 4: kind of in the long haul, but absolutely, like I

1059
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 4: would love to come here and.

1060
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 12: Talk about, oh, this is a cool scheme that would

1061
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 12: work in this situation.

1062
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 4: But really on the defensive end, there were some fun

1063
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 4: things that the Steelers did on defense in this game.

1064
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 4: I will say to combat the Bengals, but yeah, on

1065
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 4: the defensive end, gonna need a little bit better I

1066
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 4: think from this Bengals defense.

1067
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 3: Let's talk about some of the things that Pittsburgh did

1068
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 3: do because the first time these two teams played, the

1069
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 3: Steelers state and man defense and Jamar Chase and t

1070
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 3: Higgins burned them. This time round, totally different game plan,

1071
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 3: and it felt like the Bengals had no answer.

1072
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it felt like you get to some of those

1073
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 4: smarter too high safety type looks where if you even

1074
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 4: get situations where it's kind of like man coverage, but

1075
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 4: then both of the stacies are also bracketing Higgins and Chase,

1076
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 4: and you go through the history of how teams have

1077
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 4: tried to deal with the Bengals at their peak, and

1078
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 4: that is I think the right way to do it.

1079
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,240
Speaker 12: I remember the Chargers.

1080
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 4: Trying it against them and then you get a double move.

1081
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 4: I think it was Higgins that ended up on a touchdown,

1082
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 4: of believe that was last year. Maybe it was the

1083
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 4: year before that, but that is it makes sense, like

1084
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 4: this is how you attack an offense.

1085
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 12: That is built fully through their two really really good

1086
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 12: wide receiver.

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Speaker 4: Then I'm not saying it's a bad thing, like you

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Speaker 4: want to have an offense built through two really good receivers,

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Speaker 4: but it does make me think a little bit, like

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Speaker 4: you had actually brought it up last week, like oh

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Speaker 4: do you think like now we look at Burrow and think, oh, well,

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Speaker 4: how do you take some of the things from this

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Speaker 4: new offensive approach. It might just be me like racking

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Speaker 4: my head over and over, well watching this kind of.

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Speaker 12: Saying game happen over and over.

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Speaker 4: But I'm really really curious what kind of changes do

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Speaker 4: does this offense When I'm watching a team like the

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Speaker 4: Bills fully transform their identity, like really really change in

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Speaker 4: a specific way to I think help their quarterback.

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Speaker 12: And kind of remove some office play.

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Speaker 4: I'm fascinated to see when Burrow comes back healthy, are

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Speaker 4: you adjusting your game a little bit.

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Speaker 12: I think, maybe get a little bit better with modern defenses.

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Speaker 3: I also feel like, and you could tell me if

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Speaker 3: the tape matches this, and this is not the first

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Speaker 3: time we've talked about it. I feel like, let's assume

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Speaker 3: Joe plays a week from Thursday. He is going to

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Speaker 3: be playing behind an offensive line that is better than

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Speaker 3: the one that he played behind the first two games.

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Speaker 4: And I mean, yeah, not of offensive line that we're

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Speaker 4: hanging in the rafters of our time talking together. I

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Speaker 4: don't want to say that by any means, but I

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Speaker 4: thinkin you get some solid effort. I kind of enjoyed

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Speaker 4: a little bit of what you've seen from fair Trial

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Speaker 4: at different points along this season. So you have got

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Speaker 4: healthy now. I mean next week, obviously we know that

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Speaker 4: Jamar Chase won't be there, but you.

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Speaker 12: Have parts of a run game that like.

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Speaker 13: I.

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Speaker 4: Hang onto this every week when I know that I

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Speaker 4: have to turn on the tape, I know I'm going

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Speaker 4: to get something from my I got Chase Brown every week.

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Speaker 4: I just know I'm going to see something that I

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Speaker 4: like there. So I think then it becomes a comment

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Speaker 4: on as a coaching staff, can you really you kind

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Speaker 4: of have to Sell, I think Joe a little bit

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Speaker 4: and say, this is the offense that's gonna put us

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Speaker 4: in a position to succeed consistently. And I think Burrow

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Speaker 4: could also say, hey, look, I'm one of the best

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Speaker 4: quarterbacks in this league. You don't need to draw up

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Speaker 4: all that funky under center stuff or anything like that.

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Speaker 12: Like I can just win over and over.

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Speaker 4: But I'm like, I just I want to see I

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Speaker 4: think I want to see this team evolve. I think

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00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 4: it'll be more fun for us talking every week. But

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Speaker 4: also just as teams continue to approach this offense and say, look, like,

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00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 4: do you want to win jump balls with see Higgins

1138
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Speaker 4: and Jamar Chase every time? No, but you're going to

1139
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 4: run into games where defense is find a way to

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Speaker 4: double team those guys, and then you just don't have

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Speaker 4: answers outside of that.

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Speaker 3: The Patriots on one of the more fun stories in

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Speaker 3: the NFL. Everybody believes in like Vrabel. Everybody believes in

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Speaker 3: Drake May. What are they doing schematically that has allowed

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Speaker 3: them to overachieve at least to this point this season.

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Speaker 4: So this is a great example because I think that

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Speaker 4: Josh mccamils and Drake May to do like every single

1148
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 4: thing in the playoffs, he's getting under sent and he's

1149
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Speaker 4: taking those deeper dropbacks. He's using play action, and so

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Speaker 4: you see Drake May really highlighted because he is using

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Speaker 4: every single little skill.

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Speaker 12: That he has. I think Joe Burrow can do absolutely everything.

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Speaker 4: So I would be curious if you get him kind

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Speaker 4: of in a situation like the Patriots, where one thing

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Speaker 4: I love about the Patriots, and we'll see this in

1156
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Speaker 4: the game, is whatever Drake May drops back, you just

1157
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Speaker 4: know exactly where he's going to be.

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Speaker 12: It's very predictable.

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00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 4: It's very close to in a good way in that

1160
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 4: the offensive tackles their lives are made easier because their

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00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 4: quarterback is dropping to the same spot. He's not drifting,

1162
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Speaker 4: he's not falling back, he's in a really really clean spot.

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Speaker 4: And then he can also make plays against pressure, like

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Speaker 4: what we saw on Thursday night against the Jets.

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Speaker 12: So do I think this team is the best team

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Speaker 12: in the FC?

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Speaker 4: I mean no, I don't, but there I think a

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Speaker 4: lot better than what they expected to be this year.

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Speaker 12: They have the absolute chance to.

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Speaker 4: Win the division, which I think is pretty well and

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Speaker 4: maybe even be that number one seed in the AFC.

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Speaker 2: How does a bad defense combat what they're doing?

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Speaker 12: The able question. It's like it's I just want to

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00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 12: see better tackling, right, because the Patriots.

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Speaker 4: Run game is not this like running game that should

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Speaker 4: that is like changing football in any sort of way, right,

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Speaker 4: Like a lot of what's happening in their success is

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00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 4: because of Drake May making these really nice passes, and

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Speaker 4: so like I keep thinking about it, like, oh, like

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Speaker 4: what does change in the defensive coordinator or the defensive

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Speaker 12: Do at this point? I mean, can you literally get

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Speaker 12: these guys to tackle better?

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Speaker 4: Like? So that that to me is the best situation

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Speaker 4: where I do think we've actually seen the Patriots have

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Speaker 4: some success with their receivers. We see the make connection

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Speaker 4: two digs a little bit more then I think maybe

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Speaker 4: what we had even expected going into this year.

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Speaker 12: So I don't feel like they.

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Speaker 4: Have like overwhelming receivers that will like they don't have

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Speaker 4: Chase and Higgins, right, they obviously don't, and so they're

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Speaker 4: not morphing the field in that way. But they just

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Speaker 4: like are so consistent, Chris clean and good at what

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Speaker 4: they do. So you know, you want to try and

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Speaker 4: lead into the baron at some point hopefully you can

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Speaker 4: get some of those third downs. Maybe you get Drake

1197
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Speaker 4: made to kind of find that bozo that you have

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Speaker 3: broadcasts from Oak Ring Day Basketball pre game show coming

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Speaker 3: up state five minutes the Annual Champions Classic from Madison

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Speaker 3: Square Garden. First game of the doubleheader, Kentucky taking on

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Speaker 3: Michigan State. We're hoping to hear from Taylor Twelman here

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Speaker 3: before we get out of the WAFC. Cincinnati obviously getting

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Speaker 3: set to host Miami on Sunday at five o'clock. Evander

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Speaker 3: versus Messi, which is gonna be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: A birth in the Conference final is up for grabs.

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Speaker 3: Taylor hopefully able to join us before we get out

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Speaker 3: of here at five o'clock. New calendar for Major League

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Speaker 3: Soccer as well, and if we have time, we'll ask

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Speaker 3: Taylor how he feels about that one thing we haven't

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Speaker 3: really had a chance to get to today. Scott Sadafield

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Speaker 3: talked earlier this afternoon previewing the game against BYU the Bearcats.

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Speaker 3: This is not and I told you so thing, because

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you can find a lot of folks who

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Speaker 3: didn't feel great about the game on Saturday. I had

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Speaker 3: a bad feeling about the game on Saturday, and the

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Speaker 3: reason basically is I've worried about some of the issues

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Speaker 3: we saw the Bearcats have offensively against Utah snowballing, and

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Speaker 3: I think they did. And it was really sobering in

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Speaker 3: that game against Arizona when Arizona basically said you're not

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Speaker 3: gonna run it anymore and dared.

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Speaker 2: Them to throw. The Bearcats had no answer.

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Speaker 3: Tony and I were talking about this a little bit

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Speaker 3: yesterday on the Tony Mo Football Show. You'll see teams

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Speaker 3: play cover zero. I'm not sure I've seen in a

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Speaker 3: game that wasn't a blowout a team say repeatedly to

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Speaker 3: that degree, you can't beat us over the top. We're

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Speaker 3: not only not gonna have a guy fifteen yards back,

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Speaker 3: we're not gonna have a guy ten yards back. They

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Speaker 3: were daring Cincinnati to throw, and they had no real answer.

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Speaker 2: And so we have.

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Speaker 3: Gone from talking about the Bearcats maybe playing for a

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Speaker 3: conference championship, and while mathematically I guess there's still a chance, now,

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Speaker 3: it's about avoiding what happened last year. You know, they

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Speaker 3: have a seven to three record this season. I think

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Speaker 3: if they figured out a way to rally and win

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Speaker 3: on Saturday, which is going to be extraordinarily difficult, and

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Speaker 3: then win on the road against TCU, which is not

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Speaker 3: gonna be easy. I think despite the fact that they

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Speaker 3: would not have played for a Big twelve title, most

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Speaker 3: of us will walk away from the season feeling like

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Speaker 3: it was a good one, and I think feeling like

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Speaker 3: this season represented progress and a step toward where you

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Speaker 3: see football wants to get. And the absence of that, man,

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Speaker 3: I don't know where the conversation goes. Our conversation is

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Speaker 3: going to go here. F C Cincinnati is getting set

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Speaker 3: for the conference semifinal on Sunday of five o'clock kick

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Speaker 3: at TQL Stadium. The great Taylor twelveman on the call

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Speaker 3: for MLS s'son Pass on Apple TV and always kind

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Speaker 3: enough to join his tailor.

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Speaker 2: It's good to have you. How are you good? Are you,

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Speaker 2: Bud doing well?

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Speaker 3: What was your biggest takeaway from FC Cincinnati's Round one

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Speaker 3: win over Columbus?

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Speaker 13: Uh? Nothing that they won with I guess my biggest

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Speaker 13: takeaway for instead of me Ramblin would be they won

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Speaker 13: without a Vander playing at its best. I think Evander

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Speaker 13: if not for Lionel Messi, you can make an argument's

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Speaker 13: been best player in MLS over the last two seasons,

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Speaker 13: and so uh Cincinnati won without him being great and

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Speaker 13: that I think says a lot. You know, they they

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Speaker 13: win games by one goal. You guys know this better

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Speaker 13: than anyone watching Pad Newton, and it's Cincinnati teams. Especially

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Speaker 13: over the last three years. Seventy four percent of their

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Speaker 13: wins are by you know, one goal. So they're completely

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Speaker 13: competent enough to take a lead and survive it. But

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Speaker 13: I think my biggest takeaway is the fact that they

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Speaker 13: won without Evander being great?

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Speaker 2: Can they win on Sunday without Avander being great?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 13: But I don't think that's the most important thing. And

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Speaker 13: I know that's a weird answer. Evander's got to be really,

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Speaker 13: really good, and I think he's got to be better

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Speaker 13: than what he was against Clumbus to beat Miami. But

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Speaker 13: I actually don't think it's one A. I think it's

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Speaker 13: one B for lack of a better way to put it.

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Speaker 13: But Evander's got to be better than what he was

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Speaker 13: against Columbus. I don't think that's that strong of an opinion.

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Speaker 3: All Right, what's at the top of Pat Noonan's list

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Speaker 3: when he starts to figure out what his tactics are

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Speaker 3: going to be for Miami.

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Speaker 13: It's an interesting question because I just listen Miami's played

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Speaker 13: more games in a calendar year than any team in

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Speaker 13: MLS history. They've only been helped scoreless five times. Two

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Speaker 13: of those games are against Cincinnati. Can you really keep

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Speaker 13: a clean sheet against them again the third time? I

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Speaker 13: just that one to me feels like that's a long shot.

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Speaker 13: If they keep a clean sheet, Cincinnati wins. And I

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Speaker 13: just that's why I say Evander doesn't have to be

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Speaker 13: great if they keep a clean sheet. If you keep

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Speaker 13: Messy in Miami scoreless again, then someone's going to get

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Speaker 13: a goal for Cincinnati. Just the way Miami plays Miami,

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Speaker 13: more than likely's going to start Luis Suarez, and when

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Speaker 13: he starts, keeping clean sheets is very difficult because you've

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Speaker 13: got Suarez, you've got Messy, and you've got Bisquets. You've

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Speaker 13: got three guys that are older, so their defensive posture

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Speaker 13: isn't going to be what it was in the third

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Speaker 13: game against Nashville. So Pat Noonon and his staff are

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Speaker 13: looking at it saying, yeah, how do we keep a

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Speaker 13: clean sheet? I think you, I think you're playing with

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Speaker 13: fire if you go into the game at home with

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Speaker 13: that environment, which is going to be second to none,

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Speaker 13: and try to sit in and try to be so

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Speaker 13: pragmatic defensively. I think if they come out the way

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Speaker 13: they did against Columbus in the first leg, the first game,

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Speaker 13: so to speak, and be on the front foot and

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Speaker 13: try to get after Miami and be very aggressive, I

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Speaker 13: think that suits Cincinnati more than trying to come in

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Speaker 13: and saying, listen, if we keep them off the board, great,

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Speaker 13: but we're going to sacrifice us being a little aggressive.

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Speaker 13: Miami's too good to just sit in and try to

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Speaker 13: defend for eighty minutes.

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Speaker 3: I've asked this on a number of occasions as the

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Speaker 3: season is unfolded, and I'll do it now that we

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Speaker 3: have four teams remaining. I got like a minute left

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Speaker 3: obviously FC Cincinnati in Miami. The Eastern Conference as a whole,

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Speaker 3: break it down for me.

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Speaker 13: The Eastern Conference as a whole. I said it in

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Speaker 13: July and it remains the same. I think the Eastern

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Speaker 13: Conference champion has to go through Ohio. Now. I said

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Speaker 13: that with Columbus on the verge of signing, you know,

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Speaker 13: a record signing designated player. He ended up being injured

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Speaker 13: for the series against Cincinnati, so it still remains the same.

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Speaker 13: I think the winner of Cincinnati in Miami, I think

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Speaker 13: the winner of that is going to be an MLS Cup.

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Speaker 13: I've felt that all season long. I feel that now

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Speaker 13: Philadelphia's style, for lack of a better way to put this,

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Speaker 13: is great over thirty four games, but they can be

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Speaker 13: caught in a one off game. I think the winner

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Speaker 13: the Eastern Conference is gonna come from the winner of

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Speaker 13: Cincinnati Miami on Sunday night.

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Speaker 3: Sunday is gonna be awesome. The atmosphere should be incredible.

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Speaker 3: The game itself, I hope, is terrific. And I hope

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Speaker 3: we're talking next week because then it means I have

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Speaker 3: you to talk about the Eastern Conference final.

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Speaker 2: Taylor.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much, thanks for having me, Bud A great

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Speaker 3: Taylor twelveman MLS season past Apple TV. You could watch

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Speaker 3: that game here at Oakley Greens. You could watch UK

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Speaker 3: basketball at Oakley Greens. You can listen to it next.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for listening. We're back tomorrow at three oh five.

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Speaker 3: This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: We all know goodwill