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Speaker 2: Let's talk some more Reds.

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Speaker 3: My next guest is the co host, along with Steven Offenbaker,

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Speaker 3: of the daily, informative and highly entertaining Locked on Red's podcast.

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Speaker 3: We need more perspective on the Reds, so we turned

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Speaker 3: to Jeff Carr.

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Speaker 4: How are you, Lance, I'm doing good. Where you're so

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Speaker 4: close to the opening day, can almost unless you go outside

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Speaker 4: and worry about the tender care.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, except except for that.

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Speaker 3: Take me back to last night before we talk Reids,

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Speaker 3: because I would imagine you were locked in in all

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Speaker 3: over that World Baseball Classic Championship.

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Speaker 4: Lancett was absolutely beautiful. And I don't know if I

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Speaker 4: was unpatriotic or not, but I look he was happier

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Speaker 4: with the result. I mean, au Haanio Suarez being the

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Speaker 4: hero for Venezuela to get that win. Seeing the way

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Speaker 4: that he laced that double, it was. It was beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Like I I'm not the biggest fan of John Smoltz,

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Speaker 4: but he said the right thing, where if you've got

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Speaker 4: you're forced to throw these pitches that Gino can absolutely destroy.

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Speaker 4: And the visions that were going through my head of

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Speaker 4: Eli de la Cruz and scoring position against the Milwaukee

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Speaker 4: Brewers and au Haneo Suarez at the plate, I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 3: All right, Let's go back to yesterday in the Reds news,

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Speaker 3: Tito announcing they're going to roll with Burns and Louder

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Speaker 3: and Williamson, six starting pitchers. I put air quotes around that.

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Speaker 3: What did you make of their decision and how they

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Speaker 4: This kind of feels like one of those things that

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Speaker 4: we've always talked about tongue in cheek, but we never

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Speaker 4: really thought it would happen right, Like, we never never

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Speaker 4: really expected a major league team to try this, because

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Speaker 4: it's a very minor league thing. You see guys as

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Speaker 4: they come up through the miners, especially around High A,

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Speaker 4: Double A things like this, where guys are working their

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Speaker 4: every five days. And it's not as if minor league

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Speaker 4: teams can have just exorbitantly large rosters. They still have

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Speaker 4: similar sized rosters, but they schedule it so that starting

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Speaker 4: and you still get that feeling as though you're trying

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Speaker 4: to extend your arm out as a starting pitcher. I

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Speaker 4: expect it to go past Memorial Day. If it does,

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Speaker 4: for the season. But I do like the innovativeness that

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Speaker 4: if I had money on it, i'd certainly say it

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Speaker 4: came from the mind of Derek Johnson. But I give

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Speaker 4: Tito all the credit in the world for signing off

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Speaker 3: Are you ask me sixty four thousand dollars question everybody's

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Speaker 3: been asking everybody, well not everybody, some wring their hands

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Speaker 3: about what is your level of concern with Andrew Abbott

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Speaker 4: I think it's it's on a scale of one to ten,

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Speaker 4: I'm also not that crazy worried so far. I mean,

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Speaker 4: Reds fans would really have to look up and try

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Speaker 4: chalk this up to give me another start. Let's see

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Speaker 4: what he's got. But I'm certainly not to the point

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Speaker 3: So the starting pitching with carrying six, technically that means

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Speaker 3: like just one spot to be determined. Sam Mall made

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Speaker 4: I think I got my money on Mal for the moment,

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Speaker 4: That's definitely not a fair evaluation of a guy that

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Speaker 4: a very useful addition to this bullpen if nothing else,

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Speaker 4: until Caleb Ferguson is ready. But at least the Reds

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Speaker 3: So the bench looks like four for two, four guys Myers,

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Speaker 4: Right now, I got Myers and low I think that

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: And so I think that the Reds really lucked out

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Speaker 4: So I think that he is the guy that you

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Speaker 2: That he mashes lefties. Yep.

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Speaker 4: So you can take that pressure off of TJ. Friedel,

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Speaker 4: He ran and ran and ran and constantly played at

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Speaker 4: we will have seen his best year. So I think

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Speaker 3: Like that's well said, Jeff, I is there in looking

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Speaker 3: at low? Are there enough? Considering Stuart and Steer and

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Speaker 3: Is there enough opportunity for low spot.

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Speaker 2: On the roster? You see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: That's a long winded way of presenting that, But do

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, because if you look at the way that the

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Speaker 4: gonna move either south Stewart or Spencer Steer to second base,

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Speaker 3: Last question, do you, in any way, shape or form,

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Speaker 3: have a concern beyond beyond Burns Louder Williamson is, Julian

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Speaker 3: Is there a concern of not having a a more

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Speaker 4: and you're just like, you know, he was just okay

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Speaker 4: and people, but he almost threw You're like, well, yeah,

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Speaker 4: most part he was fine without being spectacular.

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Speaker 4: definitely think there's a tendency to miss the proven capabilities

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Speaker 4: is still a very talented prospect who for me, I'm

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Speaker 2: That's fair. That's fair, Matt.

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Speaker 3: Last question, I lied, I go one more because Matt

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Speaker 3: McLain had three more hits today, and now he's getting

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Speaker 3: so many hits I want to say, like, slow down

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Speaker 3: he's the story of the spring for.

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Speaker 4: This team one thousand percent, and maybe even to the

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Speaker 4: I don't want to say that so far because I

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Speaker 4: we could see this year. But I think we are

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Speaker 4: because you're right, Like, I don't want the best part

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Speaker 4: February March. I just don't like, it's got to be August, September,

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Speaker 4: he can just continue what we have seen where he

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Speaker 4: he has on a very consistent basis in Cactus League play.

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Speaker 4: That's the guy that we're going to see maybe even

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Speaker 4: surpass his twenty twenty three totals. But again that's where

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't want to get too far ahead

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Speaker 3: He is Jeff Carr, and we have developing situations. The

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Speaker 3: Reds have made a roster move and the Bengals are

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Speaker 3: festivity updates as we continue seven thirty five. Tonight, Quentin

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Speaker 3: Coates you see baseball, he leads the entire country and

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