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Speaker 2: Cincy three sixty Thursday afternoon, one o'clock. You know what

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Speaker 2: time it is. From AIDA's E Sports covering the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: John Sheeran joining us right now. What's up, John?

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Speaker 3: I don't know what happened Monday night, but I know

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Speaker 3: the Bearcats beat the Red hand Kansas on Saturday.

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Speaker 4: So that's that's all I care about.

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Speaker 2: Let's go, John Sharon, Ada's E Sports covering the Bearcats. Listen.

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Speaker 2: Scott Sadderfield the hero we didn't know we needed in

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati right now.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if I want to go

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Speaker 3: that far, but you know what, sowreds b is playing

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Speaker 3: out of his mind and I love to see it.

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Speaker 3: I love to see uce quarterbacks thriving.

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Speaker 4: That's what I love about.

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Speaker 5: If this thing unravels for the Bengals, John, how far

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Speaker 5: up is Scott Saderfield on the list to potentially replace

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Speaker 5: sack Tye.

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Speaker 3: He can rise from like four billion to three billion,

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Speaker 3: nine and ninety nine nine right.

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Speaker 2: More time, I'm moving up. I get what you're I'm

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Speaker 2: picking it up right now. It is a minus sixty

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Speaker 2: three point differential in a two game span, John, How

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Speaker 2: can things get better for the Cincinnati Bengalso.

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Speaker 3: The most important parts of the team play above their.

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Speaker 4: Pay grader, play above what they've been at right now.

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Speaker 3: It's it's hard to manufacture any success when you have

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Speaker 3: basically nothing from your quarterback, basically nothing from the people

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Speaker 3: helping your quarterback.

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Speaker 4: We were supposed to help your quarterback. We knew that this.

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Speaker 3: Defense was going to be weeks away from potentially inching

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Speaker 3: closer to average, and they flashed here and there.

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Speaker 4: But it's just that they need to be.

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Speaker 3: The two thousand eight out there to complement this offense

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Speaker 3: because they can't do anything right. The offensive line is

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Speaker 3: still very much incomplete. You're still not getting any consistency

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Speaker 3: from your five starters. The best players in this offense

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Speaker 3: aren't getting the ball in a timely manner or in

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Speaker 3: that position where they can succeed. The quarterback, who is

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Speaker 3: best attribute has been accuracy. He doesn't look quite accurate,

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Speaker 3: and they're asking to make throws that you would probably

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Speaker 3: only expect Joe Burrow to make. So it is kind

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Speaker 3: of mind boggling how the architects behind this offense apparently

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Speaker 3: need more time to manufacture production out of Jake grinding

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Speaker 3: compared to the last time that they've been through this.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand it, but that's kind of how they're

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Speaker 3: in the situation. They're not getting anything from their quarterback

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Speaker 3: and the drop off has been severely more extreme than

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Speaker 3: we even thought.

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Speaker 2: There are so many different avenues to take when talking

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Speaker 2: about the game on Monday night. I thought the lost

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Speaker 2: Monday was worse than the Minnesota Vikings lost because they

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Speaker 2: didn't turn the ball over. You could look to the

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Speaker 2: Minnesota game and just man, it's a fluke. Those type

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Speaker 2: of things sometimes happen. To get beat the way they

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Speaker 2: yesterday I hear Zach Taylor say that the words we

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Speaker 2: have a ton of unwavering confidence in Jake Browning. Do

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Speaker 2: you echo those sentiments? Do you right now have a

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Speaker 2: ton of confidence in Jake Browning? And do you think

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Speaker 2: the locker room has a ton of confidence in Jake Browning.

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Speaker 3: Well, I have no incentive to lie, so obviously no, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's no way you can have confidence in

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Speaker 3: Jake Browning right now. That doesn't mean that he's incapable

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Speaker 4: We just haven't seen it.

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Speaker 3: And I think at this point you can assume that

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Speaker 3: you just can't rely on the consistency of someone who's

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Speaker 6: It just can't be this bad, though, and that's what's

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Speaker 6: still kind of shocking, that he just can't get into

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Speaker 4: Just not been enough.

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Speaker 3: So there's nothing to say that you have any confidence

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Speaker 4: Again. He could play well.

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Speaker 3: Here and there in a handful of weeks, but in

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Speaker 2: I worry about the locker room. I worry about guys

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Speaker 2: listening to that and wondering how how do we have

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Speaker 2: It's one thing to get blown out from back to

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Speaker 2: back weeks and not be a major part of what

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Speaker 2: your offense is doing, I imagine is frustrating. We talk

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Speaker 2: oftentimes about the word culture. How worrisome does the culture

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Speaker 3: I think everyone who's familiar with this team knows that

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Speaker 3: patience is just bacon to their identity, and they.

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Speaker 4: Will always give the people that they.

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Speaker 3: Know, whether it's players or coaches, probably more than enough

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's something that the players don't understand

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Speaker 4: In some ways, I think right now, though, because.

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Speaker 3: There was an expectation for this offense, regardless if it

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Speaker 3: it can't be understated how bad this offense has been

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Speaker 3: turnedover and be damned in week three against the Vikings, Right,

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Speaker 3: what happened on Monday night, even against the defense that

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Speaker 3: inexcusable and it's like you can't ignore that for more

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Speaker 3: like Monday night was should have been a watershed moment

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Speaker 3: for the direction of this team, and I think everyone

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Speaker 3: can kind of see that the direction is not positive.

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Speaker 3: But we know that this team will take more time

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Speaker 4: Have already made already. So I agree.

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Speaker 3: I think people in that locker room, our notice team

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Speaker 3: before you know, the conversations that we saw between Jamar

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Speaker 5: Rookie Jalen Rivers started on Monday against Denver. Zach Taylor

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he looks more natural at guard compared

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Speaker 4: But I think even still.

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Speaker 3: For a rookie, he plays very calm and there's going

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Speaker 3: That was a pretty tough matchup for his first time,

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Speaker 4: You some solidity to that spot.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't have expected him to get benched this early

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Speaker 2: The offensive line as a whole, we've discussed already throughout

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Speaker 2: the recent weeks. They're not a good run blocking group there,

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Speaker 2: I think soft. They're also not getting help. How difficult

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm surprised what happened on Monday doesn't

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Speaker 3: that can get under your pads and when you just

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Speaker 3: It's it was nothing that Wonder Browns Junior and a

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Speaker 4: But yeah, that was an.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunate moment for the offensive line. There was obviously much

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Speaker 4: That was just kind of meaned across the internet.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, it's just this, this is the NFL,

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Speaker 3: Like we can't just blame it on just playing on

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Speaker 2: It's just an excusable cam Taylor Brick played five snaps.

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Speaker 2: He was not taken out due to injury. This is

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Speaker 2: a long list now of previous high draft picks that

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Speaker 2: this team has made that are just not panning out.

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Speaker 2: How worrisome is what you're seeing on the defensive side

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Speaker 2: of the ball, poor angles, poor tackling, the penalties. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't feel like it's getting better at this point. How

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Speaker 2: concerning does this become.

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Speaker 3: Tailor Bridge specifically is disappointing because when he's playing at

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Speaker 3: lot of power as a tackler too. If he's not

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Speaker 4: Again, I think there's value to.

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Speaker 3: Him, but you saw like as as soon as he

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Speaker 4: It's tough to see him do anything correctly right now.

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Speaker 3: And when they're relying on guys that just aren't athletically

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Speaker 4: You don't have a chance. So you need to maximize.

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Speaker 3: He needs to utilize the players that are supposed to

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Speaker 2: I do wonder now at this point, John, going forward,

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Speaker 4: I see both sides.

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Speaker 3: I really do like I feel like it can't really

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Speaker 3: Understand that this offensive line is still terrible and the

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Speaker 4: Is still not putting them in the best position. So

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Speaker 3: Another quarterback like Ruts or Jamis who also can't necessarily

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Speaker 3: another quarterback here wouldn't exactly thrive with what they're asking.

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Speaker 4: Him to do.

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Speaker 3: So it's a combination of a lot of things that

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Speaker 3: because he's part of it.

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Speaker 2: John Sharon a is E Sports covering the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: It truly right now is a week to week season,

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Speaker 2: it feels like for the Cincinnati Bengals as they look

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Speaker 2: to erase what has been an abysmal two week stretch.

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Speaker 2: For all your coverage of the Bengals, John, and for

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Speaker 2: those to be able to follow along, what's the easiest

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, guys sports dot com backslat Cincinnati. Eight is E

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Speaker 4: Instagram, wherever you get your video content, we're there as well.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you John, as always phenomenal stuff. We'll talk again

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Speaker 4: Thanks boys, There he is.

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Speaker 2: John Sharon eight is E Sports for now covering the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Maybe some Bearcats here in the future.

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Speaker 5: A lot of for nowles out there in the world,

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Speaker 5: a lot of for nows.

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Speaker 2: As for now, we celebrate the eighth anniversary of Sincy

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Speaker 2: One year from now, what are we talking about if

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, okay, so we'll be talking about who just

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Speaker 2: Bear Cats coming off of college football playoff appearance now

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Speaker 6: Is this now?

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Speaker 5: How can you have that mentality for the Bearcats but

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