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Speaker 1: We're gonna chat with lafonz ellis going up here four thirty.

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Speaker 1: Always great to catch up with him. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about the Nuggets, talk about the NCAA tournaments, all sorts

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Speaker 1: of fun stuff.

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Speaker 2: So JK.

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Speaker 1: Dobbins was on the NFL network last night, so it

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Speaker 1: was weird winding off the air. I saw this tweeted

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Speaker 1: out by Ian and there's some interesting stuff. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he was asked about, you know, signing back with the

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Speaker 1: Broncos and how excited he was and how much he

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Speaker 1: likes this. There's a facility here. The two answers that

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Speaker 1: really jumped out to me this was the first one

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Speaker 1: was about Davis Webb and how much him taking over

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Speaker 1: might impact the play calls.

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Speaker 2: I think it's gonna impact me be time. I think.

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Speaker 3: I think web is a fantastic play caller, so is

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Speaker 3: Sean Payton. So with the help of Sean Payton with

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Speaker 3: Davis Webb, I think it's going to be even better

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Speaker 3: than last year.

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Speaker 2: I think we're gonna do.

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Speaker 4: Some things that people they're all expected, and then we are.

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Speaker 4: We got another guy that just came in and not bad.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. That's a poison because we

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Speaker 4: got Tortland's sign, and we got the young fat Bran,

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Speaker 4: we got a great oldline, we got everything right, we

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Speaker 4: got we got an embarrassment of riches on this team

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: So I'm excited, I really am. And I'm gonna be

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Speaker 4: even because.

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Speaker 2: You know, I all what it is.

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Speaker 5: I got hurt.

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Speaker 4: I missed the last what seven games in the regular season.

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Speaker 2: I'm fresh.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna be fresh.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be fresh, and I'm gonna be pissed off

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Speaker 3: because I'm tired of the unfortunate stuff and I know

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Speaker 3: that I can do it and it's gonna happen this year,

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Speaker 3: especially you.

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Speaker 4: Know we got I'll tell you it's gonna be great.

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Speaker 4: I ain't gonna spell too much. I don't want to

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Speaker 4: speel too many beings.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be great. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The last part. Broncos fans are like, what's the other thing,

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Speaker 1: what's the next thing? And you know, because they kind

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Speaker 1: of want to know what the Roncos have the s.

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Speaker 1: It's such a it's such a weird free agency period

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Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, because I mean, I was

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Speaker 1: with you the week before my vacation and it was

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Speaker 1: all about just bringing back your own guys and status

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Speaker 1: quo if you will. And we think we have a

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Speaker 1: championship roster, so we're just going to continue to bring

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Speaker 1: us seventeen guys. And then you make the jail and

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Speaker 1: Wattle trade and it reframes everything. And so now I

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Speaker 1: think Broncos fans want more. It's like it's not enough, like, hey,

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Speaker 1: keep going, keep building this thing. But yeah, I can

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Speaker 1: understand the optimism there. I did think it was interesting

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Speaker 1: how he singled out wattle sudden and Bryant absolutely did

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Speaker 1: you you heard that too? I mean, I got these

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Speaker 1: say that. Is it an intentional omission?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't.

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Speaker 6: I don't that that may have been a subconscious that's

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Speaker 6: I listened to this stuff like that. And and he

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Speaker 6: also tend to speak the truth, and at times maybe

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Speaker 6: And I think sometimes subconsciously you can also speak the truth.

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Speaker 6: And again not not in an intentional way, but yeah,

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Speaker 6: that that did strike me, and I listen, I think

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Speaker 6: Sort of conclude on our own as to Okay, who's

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Speaker 2: I don't have any I don't have any evidence.

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Speaker 6: Nobody's told me this, but I will be surprised if

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Speaker 6: Sean at some point early in the offseason when addressing

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Speaker 6: members of the media just makes it real clear. Listen,

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Speaker 6: I'm just telling you right now. I think I think

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Speaker 2: Does the offense look differently?

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Speaker 6: Can we with you know, somewhat of a casual eye

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Speaker 2: That'll be interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: It feels like there's, by definition, there's going to have

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Speaker 1: Well, it's like giving somebody else a paintbrush, right, I mean,

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Speaker 6: think teams tinker with what they did. They look at

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Speaker 6: do well. This team didn't run the football efficiently, certainly

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Speaker 6: without JK Domins all right, so you got to address that.

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Speaker 6: And it's good that JK will be fresh. But I

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Speaker 6: I'm Marvin Mims and I'm saying, are you gonna use

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Speaker 6: just think there's lots to work on and I'm gonna

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Speaker 6: be interested. If I'm Marvin Mims, I'm pissed about it.

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Speaker 6: I just am you brought a guy in that basically

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Speaker 6: And I mentioned this on a podcast today.

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Speaker 6: I believe there has to be something. I don't know

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Speaker 6: what it is because I'm not a practice every day

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Speaker 6: just not completely comfortable with with Marvin. Whether it's route running,

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Speaker 2: I've never broached the topic.

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Speaker 6: I believe that's one of the reasons that.

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Speaker 1: you think MEMS is similar to the way the Bears

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Speaker 1: use hester kind? I mean a little bit of the

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Speaker 6: I just don't. I mean, Hester was one of the

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Speaker 6: think Marvin Mems is a great return guy. But he's

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Speaker 6: And I again, if they're asked that question, I've never

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Speaker 6: just saying, as a guy who you know, play that

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Speaker 2: Totally it has to be.

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Speaker 2: Wattle has to be a.

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Speaker 6: to get him the ball in space they have. That

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Speaker 2: In the offseason, Bengals rush four, next deep drop.

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Speaker 6: Now rolls is right, throws the ball he wants Mems

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Speaker 1: Marvin goes up makes a catch.

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Speaker 1: A twenty five yard touchdown.

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Speaker 2: How are you gentlemen doing Fauns?

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Speaker 5: You're good, I'm doing really well.

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Speaker 6: I was doing the Nuggets TV when when Funds, I think,

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Speaker 5: It's just different the obviously the goal and objective is

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Speaker 5: They're getting you. These just unbelievable for the age, answers

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Speaker 5: Well, well, I was in fourth place there and we

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Speaker 1: it does feel like the best teams are playing like

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Speaker 1: the best teams more or less this year even last year.

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Speaker 1: Do you agree with the sentiment and what do you

443
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Speaker 1: sort of assess to that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's good for our sport because as

445
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Speaker 5: an analyst, you become an ambassador of the sport that

446
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Speaker 5: you're serving, and so you have to think about it

447
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 5: on a global level as well. If the numbers show it,

448
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 5: if everyone's excited about a Cinderella when you're first starting

449
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Speaker 5: the tournament, so that's the first four, that's of course,

450
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Speaker 5: the first two rounds of the first weekend, and then

451
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Speaker 5: what we've people are engaged at locked in and excited

452
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Speaker 5: about it. But what we've learned is when those Cinderella

453
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Speaker 5: teams all of a sudden start to advance, and then

454
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Speaker 5: the Dukes, the Kentucky's, the North Carolina, the Kansas, the

455
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Speaker 5: Michigan State, the blue bloods of our college game aren't

456
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Speaker 5: there as you get to the lead eight in the

457
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Speaker 5: four and all of a sudden viewership, viewership starts to

458
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Speaker 5: weigh and so for the health of the sport. I

459
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Speaker 5: love the fact that we high Point did what they

460
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Speaker 5: did in the first round. And I love miamil of Ohio,

461
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Speaker 5: who had just a storybook season having won over thirty

462
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Speaker 5: games in a row, and then time and lost one

463
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Speaker 5: to win their first round game to validate that they

464
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Speaker 5: were worthy of being there. But when you look at

465
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Speaker 5: the strength of the brand names that are filling out

466
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Speaker 5: the Sweet sixteen, you know it excites me. So we

467
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Speaker 5: served one aspect of our audience by several of our

468
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Speaker 5: smaller teams got wins in their first round. But now

469
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Speaker 5: we've also satisfied the great majority of the fan base

470
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Speaker 5: as we go into the Sweet sixteen with some big

471
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Speaker 5: time brand names out there and available for people to choose.

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Speaker 2: Up last question for me.

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Speaker 6: You've again called a lot of college games. You worked

474
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Speaker 6: the Big Ten Conference. You think of Michigan, you think

475
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Speaker 6: of I was, as Ryan was talking about in their

476
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Speaker 6: upset Nebraska wins their first two the NCAA games, unbelievable,

477
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Speaker 6: Fred Hoiberg, I was calling games much like you were

478
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Speaker 6: back in the day when Fred was playing at Iowa State,

479
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Speaker 6: and it really was a hell of a tough It

480
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Speaker 6: wasn't overly talented, he could shoot the ball, but really

481
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Speaker 6: a tough, tough competitor. But I want to gauge sort

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Speaker 6: of how you view the Big Ten. And everybody talks

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Speaker 6: about the physicality.

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Speaker 2: Of the league.

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Speaker 6: Is it, in your mind that much different in terms

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Speaker 6: of the physicality the Big Ten as opposed to the

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Speaker 6: other conferences.

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Speaker 5: I think it's much more physical, particularly in the regular season.

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Speaker 5: I would say the confidence that I see that either

490
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Speaker 5: the equivalent or maybe slightly below in terms of physicality

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Speaker 5: would be the Big Twelve. And many have said part

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Speaker 5: of the reason why the Big Ten had to won

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Speaker 5: a national titles is Mischigan State in two thousand, was

494
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Speaker 5: that by the time they get to be into the

495
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Speaker 5: DA Tournament, their team are exhausted because of the physicality.

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Speaker 5: And I think it's over the years, it's just been

497
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Speaker 5: matchups by so many teams from the Big Ten haven't

498
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Speaker 5: gotten to the Sweet sixteen. But you see that five

499
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Speaker 5: or six now in the Sweet sixteen with Michigan and

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Speaker 5: Michigan State and Ottawa and Purdue and a great opportunity

501
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Speaker 5: for this team to do, for those teams, to do

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Speaker 5: something for the conference that hasn't happened since two thousand

503
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Speaker 5: and so. And you bring up Fred Hoiberg. What a story.

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Speaker 5: So that group went to the College Basketball Crown, which

505
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Speaker 5: we at Fox Sports put on. It was our first year.

506
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Speaker 5: Last year they win the title, and then they knew

507
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Speaker 5: that as a springboard coming to this season to win

508
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Speaker 5: what's twenty one straight, they had their first law and

509
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Speaker 5: here they are, after winning our college Basketball Crown, they

510
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Speaker 5: find themselves in the sweet sixteen, and Hoiberg has done

511
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Speaker 5: a phenomenal job. In fact, he got my vote for

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Speaker 5: the National Coach of the Year, done a tremendous job

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Speaker 5: that program.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a lean on who you think is

515
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Speaker 1: gonna win it?

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Speaker 5: I've leaned for a while Arizona missed. I had Michigan

517
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Speaker 5: early on, but I felt when you get down to

518
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Speaker 5: the final four, you have to have at least at

519
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 5: least one or two guys who can create offense for

520
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 5: themselves because teams all of a sudden become like sides

521
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Speaker 5: and there's switchability involved and now they take you completely

522
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Speaker 5: out of your offense. Now, can you get someone in

523
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Speaker 5: space or in the post and be able to create offense.

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Speaker 5: The best example I can give you was the last

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Speaker 5: year that Kansas won the national title. Remy Martin, who

526
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Speaker 5: had transferred from Arizona State to Kansas, had a really

527
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Speaker 5: good year for Kansas, but then in and out due

528
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Speaker 5: to injury, and then coming into the NCAA Tournament, I said,

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Speaker 5: Kansas wouldn't have any chance of winning the national title

530
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Speaker 5: if Remy Martin's not healthy, and who is it making

531
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Speaker 5: big shots to field a deal with them championship game?

532
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Speaker 5: Is Remy Martin? I feel like LJ. Cason had that

533
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Speaker 5: same ability need to impact the offensive Michigan and because

534
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 5: of that deficiency for him being out for the rest

535
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Speaker 5: of the year with the injury, I went with Arizona.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. We're both in Arizona, which means Dave

537
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Speaker 1: he thinks he wants to change his pick.

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Speaker 5: But conversation, Yeah, I know, Nto, but you got to

539
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Speaker 5: do it.

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Speaker 2: That's it. I'm riding with the Wildcasts.

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Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely, Lafon.

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Speaker 5: Can I give a shameless plug?

543
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, absolutely.

544
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Speaker 5: Colorado playing against Oklahoma in the College Basketball Crown next

545
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Speaker 5: Wednesday night. Tune in to your buffaloes and see if

546
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Speaker 5: they can get a win over a very good, hot

547
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Speaker 5: Oklahoma team who's really got hot towards the end of

548
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 5: the season the NTAA Tournament, and I'll be playing in

549
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 5: our college basketball crown.

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Speaker 2: Man. That's awesome.

551
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Speaker 1: That is awesome, Lafonso, always a pleasure. Thank you so

552
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: much for giving us a few minutes. Man, appreciate you.

553
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 5: Not to be with you, guys, blessing to you and

554
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 5: your family.

555
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Fun to you, all right, Lafondo Allen talking about it.

557
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Speaker 2: He is one of my all time favorite athletes in Denver.

558
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Speaker 2: Just I mean he was.

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Speaker 6: He was a really good player, maybe maybe even a

560
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 6: great player at times injuries, cutting back, but you couldn't

561
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Speaker 6: find a more first class dude off the court, and

562
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Speaker 6: he was.

563
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Speaker 2: He was a hell of a good player, great player

564
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Speaker 2: on the court.

565
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Speaker 6: But I mean he's been that way his entire lifetime

566
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Speaker 6: since he came here to Denver from Notre Dame. You

567
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 6: mentioned Brian Stith, another first class come that that nugget

568
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 6: team that that matured and really had a nice run.

569
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Speaker 6: They had some they had some great guys to be around.

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Speaker 1: He's a terrific analyst too.

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Speaker 6: He is he's very well spoken obviously. Yeah, it understands

572
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Speaker 6: the game. Yeah, sees it like a former player. So yeah,

573
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Speaker 6: good to get him on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it was.

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Speaker 1: Great, and yeah I'm excited and then listening in a

576
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Speaker 1: lot of ways, not that I'm patting myself on the

577
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Speaker 1: back or anything, but he kind of echoed the point

578
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Speaker 1: that I was making, even if I struggled with it yesterday,

579
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Speaker 1: which is most of the time, about how you want

580
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Speaker 1: the best teams in the tournament at this point, like

581
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Speaker 1: going forward. As much as the Cinderellas had fun, especially

582
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Speaker 1: early on in some of these tournaments, when you get

583
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Speaker 1: to sweet sixteen, lead eight, so on and so forth,

584
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Speaker 1: you want the better teams.

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Speaker 2: That's not exactly exactly.

586
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Speaker 1: I said, Yeah, that's exactly what I said.

587
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Speaker 6: That's not exactly your reference was the nil that's right,

588
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 6: has hurt college basketball because it because you said that Cinderella,

589
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 6: we don't have any more Cinderella, And I said, we're

590
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 6: better for it, but we do have Cinderella.

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Speaker 1: In the first round. Not you.

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Speaker 6: You wouldn't call Nebraska. How about Iowa? Iowa was a nine.

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Speaker 2: Seed in the sweet sixteen.

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Speaker 6: Is that is that at least Cindy if not Cinderella,

595
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Speaker 6: it's close.

596
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like we're I mean, these are major programs.

597
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: I feel like we're stretching it just a little bit here.

598
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: But fair that Iowa beating Florida wasn't upset. That is

599
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Speaker 1: absolutely I did not see that coming a lot of

600
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Speaker 1: people to I.

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Speaker 2: Don't think neither at Florida.

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Speaker 6: I don't think the NIL has impacted college basketball nearly as.

603
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Speaker 2: Much as other people.

604
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Speaker 6: I think listening to a show today, I mean Michigan

605
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 6: talking about Michigan's lineup. Yeah, Michigan's an impressive lineup, and yes,

606
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 6: NIL certainly has impacted them in a favorable way. But

607
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 6: just because you spend I don't know if Michigan spent

608
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 6: more money than Arizona or not, or has more money

609
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Speaker 6: to spend. I mean, the bigger schools are going to

610
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 6: have more money to spend. It stands to reason. That

611
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 6: does not necessarily guarantee you're gonna win a championship.

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Speaker 2: You know.

613
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Speaker 1: I have found remarkable, as we were talking to Lafonso,

614
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Speaker 1: the difference between NC DOUBLEA and pro basketball. How much

615
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Speaker 1: coaching matters in the NC DOUBLEA, like at that level,

616
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Speaker 1: like all the star power of the coaches that are

617
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Speaker 1: in this tournament right now, as we're talking about some

618
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: of these matchups versus when you get to the pros,

619
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Speaker 1: when you get to the NBA. I'm not saying the

620
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: coaching doesn't matter, but it's so much more about the players.

621
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Speaker 1: It's so much more about the star talent you have,

622
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Speaker 1: if you have a Big Three, if you have guys

623
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Speaker 1: that could be MVP candidates. But at the college level,

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Speaker 1: it's i would say the opposite, but matters a lot

625
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Speaker 1: more to have that kind of coach.

626
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Speaker 2: I think both things are true. I think that.

627
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Speaker 6: Coaching really does matter if we're talking about the college

628
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 6: level for sure, and there are some coaches that have

629
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Speaker 6: really talented rosters, and it's going to be important that

630
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 6: they understand how to coach that talent and how to

631
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Speaker 6: get the best out of that talent, right. I mean,

632
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 6: you've got to be able, I would think with Michigan

633
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 6: and Arizona and some of the other schools too, you've

634
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 6: got to be able to manage the egos the temperament

635
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 6: of great players, because you have more than a great player, Right,

636
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 6: Some teams have a great player and then a really

637
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 6: good player and everybody.

638
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: Else is sort of a role player.

639
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Speaker 6: And it's not that coaching is not important to that team,

640
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,719
Speaker 6: but there's less there's less egos to deal with and

641
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 6: more sort of willingness to fall in line and do

642
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 6: what's best for the team. So I think coaching is important,

643
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 6: but I also think in college. But I also think

644
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 6: in the NBA, if we're talking about basketball, I think,

645
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 6: you know, they're a handful of guys that have proven

646
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 6: in the NBA that they can take a really talented

647
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 6: team and win, or they can take a team that

648
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 6: maybe doesn't have quite as much talent on paper as

649
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 6: an opponent, and they can figure out, over a seven

650
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 6: game series, how to attack you in the areas that

651
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 6: you're not strongest and find ways to stay in games.

652
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 6: And if you can stay in game as an underdog,

653
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 6: stay in a game and have a chance to win,

654
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 6: all the pressure is on the favorite, right. So one

655
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 6: of my examples of that would be, oh, jeez, the

656
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 6: guy in Miami.

657
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I respect exactly right.

658
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Speaker 6: One one of my favorite coaches. I just think he

659
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Speaker 6: gets now. He won championships when he had Lebron and

660
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Speaker 6: Bosh and d Wade. Okay, he got that team when

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Speaker 6: the Nuggets beat them, in six games, six or five five,

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Speaker 6: five games. I think, man, he got that team. They

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Speaker 6: they beat the Celtics. The Celtics by far had a

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Speaker 6: more talented team. So what would the reason be that

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Speaker 6: the Heat was able to beat the Celtics that year?

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Speaker 6: And I think coaching. I think a lot of it

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Speaker 6: comes down to him and he you know, he had

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Speaker 6: a couple of really good to great players, But I

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Speaker 6: think it was him coming up with a scheme and

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Speaker 6: also making sure his team was confident.

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Speaker 2: No way in the world should they have beaten the

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Speaker 2: Celtics in that series.

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Speaker 1: I think those are all fair points. I guess just

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Speaker 1: generally speaking, it feels more player driven in the than college.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I said both things can be true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And there are some examples. I mean, Craig

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Speaker 1: Popovich is a Hall of Famer for a reason, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's like and if you go like Phil Jackson,

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Speaker 1: like I mean, some say he's a Hall of.

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Speaker 6: Famer because he had Tim Duncan and company. I mean

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Speaker 6: I think it's unfair. I think that's unfair because there

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Speaker 6: I think there's an art in professional sports to coach

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Speaker 6: guys who are making more money than you and Basically,

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Speaker 6: if they don't like what you say, they could just say,

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Speaker 6: you know what, kiss off. I'm not coming to the

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Speaker 6: shooting around. I mean what they could be real problems.

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Speaker 6: They have guaranteed contracts just like you, and you are

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Speaker 6: easier to get rid of than eleven players. So I

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Speaker 6: think there's an art in Popovich was one of the

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Speaker 6: best we've had.

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Speaker 1: an interesting conversation question I have to ask you about that.

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