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Speaker 2: o'clock tonight. All players are in Goodyear Arizona as we speak.

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Speaker 1: was last year. He's still a very good player, sure,

434
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Speaker 1: but we know that he can be so much more

435
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Speaker 1: when TJ.

436
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Speaker 2: Friedel does play. And you know you mentioned for those

437
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Speaker 2: who missed it, you mentioned early on in the program

438
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Speaker 2: that probably not going to see as much playing time

439
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Speaker 2: as he did last year, not technically an everyday starter,

440
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Speaker 2: especially if Dan Myers comes in and does what he does,

441
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Speaker 2: which is mash left handed pitching. But when he does play,

442
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Speaker 2: he's going to be leading off Noel Dee Markte I

443
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Speaker 2: would guess, and Mark Sheldon has said this and other

444
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Speaker 2: people have said this as well. I think he's going

445
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Speaker 2: to get the shot at the number two hold to

446
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Speaker 2: start spring training. He was incredible at times last year

447
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Speaker 2: and then just cratered in September and October. What does

448
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,479
Speaker 2: he need to do this year to make sure that

449
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Speaker 2: he is the August version of him and not the

450
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Speaker 2: September version of himself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt like the September version of noelvi Marte

452
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Speaker 1: was trying to speed things up. He didn't let the

453
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Speaker 1: game come to him. He was trying to force things.

454
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Speaker 1: He was trying to stretch and Okay, I'm going to

455
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Speaker 1: come up here and hit a you know, a base's

456
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Speaker 1: empty grands plam or something like that. You could tell

457
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Speaker 1: there were times that he was pressing because there was

458
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Speaker 1: just so many different periods where this red lineup just

459
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Speaker 1: went cold, and so so many dudes tried to put

460
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Speaker 1: it on their own shoulders. So as long as they

461
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Speaker 1: can just trust in their teammates and let the games

462
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Speaker 1: come to them, there's a really good shot that all

463
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Speaker 1: of these guys are going to take the step forwards

464
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Speaker 1: that we expect, but noelvi Marte in particular, you could

465
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Speaker 1: see him speed up his swing and really he had

466
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Speaker 1: improved plate discipline last year, but that really took a

467
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Speaker 1: step back in September because he started swinging a lot more.

468
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Speaker 1: He started, you know, really chasing pitches out of his own,

469
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Speaker 1: which was something that up until that point he had

470
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Speaker 1: done a good job to avoid. But I really want

471
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Speaker 1: to see him continue that plate discipline that we saw

472
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Speaker 1: early on, because he took a huge step forward with

473
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Speaker 1: his strikeout per say here we talked a lot about

474
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Speaker 1: Euhanosuarez and Elie de la Cruz and the number of

475
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Speaker 1: times they strike out. I think that Ellie has just

476
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Speaker 1: only gotten better at that and since career has gone along,

477
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Speaker 1: and I expect that to continue. But Noelvie Marte took

478
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Speaker 1: a huge step forward in that last year, and it

479
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 1: just didn't talked about enough because he had such a

480
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Speaker 1: bad September. So I think overall we saw what noelvi

481
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Speaker 1: Marte can do. He's just got to go back to

482
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Speaker 1: doing what he was doing there and that was just

483
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Speaker 1: not pressing.

484
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Speaker 2: The Reds overall still have a fairly sizeable gap that

485
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Speaker 2: they have to make up with teams like the Cubs

486
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Speaker 2: and the Brewers, even though I feel like the Brewers

487
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Speaker 2: have gotten worse, but I also feel like that every

488
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Speaker 2: year and then they still win the dang Division somehow.

489
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Speaker 2: So I'm never going to count out the Brewers. But

490
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Speaker 2: if South Stewart is the guy that Tito Francona thinks

491
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Speaker 2: he's going to be, I think the Reds are going

492
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Speaker 2: to be in a tremendous spot this season. I mean,

493
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Speaker 2: if this guy is who Francona believes he is, we

494
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Speaker 2: might be talking about the NL Rookie of the Year.

495
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he is getting praise, not just from fans and

496
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Speaker 1: not just from you and me, from Terry Francona and

497
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Speaker 1: from Projection Systems, you know, the things that really don't

498
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: like the Reds, like Plakota and Zips and all this

499
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: other stuff. They all say that the Reds are bad.

500
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Speaker 1: They really like South Stewart. They've got I was looking

501
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: at Zips the other day over on fangrass dot com

502
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Speaker 1: and they have Elie de la Cruz being the number

503
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Speaker 1: one position player as far as wins above replacement on

504
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Speaker 1: the team. They have south Stewart as number two, and

505
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Speaker 1: they only have him playing in one hundred and thirty

506
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Speaker 1: three games, So they think that in one hundred and

507
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Speaker 1: thirty three games he's going to be the second most

508
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Speaker 1: valuable player on this team, and quite frankly, I don't

509
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Speaker 1: necessarily think that happens, but that just shows you the

510
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Speaker 1: confidence that evaluators and even evaluation algorithms have in the

511
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Speaker 1: talent of south Stewart because he showed it in his

512
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Speaker 1: minor league career. Really just being able to put a

513
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Speaker 1: lot of contact and a lot of quality contact on

514
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Speaker 1: the ball, not swinging at bad pitch, is not striking

515
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Speaker 1: out a ton, and he's the kind of guy that

516
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Speaker 1: in a one month at five bombs in a major league.

517
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Speaker 1: So I think that there's a lot of folks that

518
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Speaker 1: see his talent and they know he's going to struggle.

519
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: Everybody struggled at baseball, but through his struggles he's going

520
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: to be able to push through and have this type

521
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Speaker 1: of season that looks award worthy. I think his biggest

522
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Speaker 1: challenge is a guy in Saint Louis and JJ weatherhol

523
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Speaker 1: which is going to be the only challenge that Saint

524
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: Louis provides anybody will be for Rookie of the Year,

525
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Speaker 1: but I still think he's got a really good shot

526
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Speaker 1: to win it because he's going to have a manager

527
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Speaker 1: that believes in letting him play every single day, and

528
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Speaker 1: probably not just at first base. We'll see him in

529
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Speaker 1: a couple of different positions, but mainly right there at first.

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Speaker 2: Jeff carlocktow Red's podcast, joining me here for a few

531
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Speaker 2: more minutes around seven hundred wl W one, Ricky Yucchino, Jeff,

532
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Speaker 2: I have a really hard time trying to evaluate Matt

533
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Speaker 2: McClain and what he's going to be able to do

534
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Speaker 2: this year. And I'm sure I'm not the only one,

535
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Speaker 2: and I'm calling on captain optimist here. Is there any

536
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Speaker 2: reason to think that this man is going to be

537
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Speaker 2: able to bounce back to the form that we saw

538
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Speaker 2: before he started having the oblique problems.

539
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, because he still had a good hard hit percentage

540
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Speaker 1: last year. He still had a pretty low batting average

541
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Speaker 1: on balls and play to the point that you're like, okay,

542
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Speaker 1: he's getting unlucky. There was a statistic even that showed that,

543
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Speaker 1: you know, we talked about outs above average when it

544
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Speaker 1: comes to fielding statistics for different players. Well, there was

545
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Speaker 1: an outs above average against hitters, so like balls that

546
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Speaker 1: were put in play by a hitter that had reasonable

547
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Speaker 1: expectations for a play to be made on them, and

548
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 1: how many guys just saw way more plays made on

549
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: their hits than we're expected to be And he was

550
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Speaker 1: high up on that list. I want to say he's

551
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Speaker 1: in the top five. So there's a lot of bad

552
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: luck built into the fact that he dealt with that

553
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: injury all year. He is healthy and ready to go.

554
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: All reports indicate that. But also I just believe in

555
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Speaker 1: what I heard at Redsfest. There were so many guys

556
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: that were talking about him, just like as the leader

557
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: of this ball club. They believe in him to the

558
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: point that they don't need to see him bounce back.

559
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: And I know that most fans are going to disagree

560
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: with that he vehemently, especially because there's a lot of

561
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Speaker 1: folks that have already written him off. But I think

562
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Speaker 1: that he's going to have a big year. I've also

563
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 1: seen projection systems like him. There was I believe it

564
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Speaker 1: was Steamer projected him to have at least three wins

565
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Speaker 1: above replacement. They really like his makeup and think that

566
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Speaker 1: he's going to bounce back in a big way. I

567
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Speaker 1: don't think he's going to slug over five hundred. I

568
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Speaker 1: think that was kind of one of those things in

569
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three where it was a small sample size

570
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Speaker 1: and things just kind of fell the right way for him.

571
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Speaker 1: And I certainly think he can slug over four fifty

572
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Speaker 1: and he can be a force in this lineup. He's

573
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Speaker 1: going to be a guy that later on in the

574
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: year pushes for that number two spot. I don't think

575
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Speaker 1: he gets it out of the gate. I think I

576
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 1: agree with you, that's nolovih Marte. But I think he

577
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Speaker 1: could be a guy that earned, you know, really pushes

578
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Speaker 1: to earn that spot back in the lineup, where he

579
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: saw that quite a bit last year. And he's just

580
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Speaker 1: he's too good for me to believe that what we

581
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: saw last year will just happen again and then we

582
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: can forget about him and move on. I think he's

583
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Speaker 1: going to be much better and that's going to be

584
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Speaker 1: a big reason why the Reds get where they want

585
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Speaker 1: to get.

586
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Speaker 2: We're running out of time here, but we haven't even

587
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 2: talked about the strength of the team, which is the

588
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: pitching staff, and you know we dove into the bullpen earlier,

589
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: but this starting rotation, man, it is the very good

590
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: starting rotation. We know what Hunter Green is going to

591
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: bring us, we know what Andrew Abbott is going to

592
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 2: be able to do. That battle for the fifth starter spot, though,

593
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: has got to be the most intriguing battle in all

594
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,719
Speaker 2: of training camp. Between Chase Burns and Rhett Louder. How

595
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: do you see that one shaken out?

596
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: Such a luxury and then it's like right, like when

597
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: you watch one of those reality shows like Real Housewives

598
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: or something, and it's just like, Oh, do I take

599
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: out the Bentley or do I take out the Lamborghini?

600
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: What do I do here? Like That's what this feels

601
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: like because for most teams, Rhet Louder and Chase Burns

602
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: would be middle to top of the rotation starters this year.

603
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: And for the Reds, they're fighting it out to see

604
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: who is on the opening day roster and who is

605
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: in Louisville to start the season. And I will say this,

606
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Speaker 1: I believe that we will see plenty of both. I

607
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: would expect and not be surprised at all to see

608
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: both guys pitch somewhere between fifteen and twenty start this season,

609
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Speaker 1: just because I think that both will be on a

610
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: pitch limit, or at least an innings limit coming off

611
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: of what they've seen. The rhet Louder's barely pitched it

612
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: all the major leagues and then you know, dealt with

613
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: a myriad of injuries that kept them off the field

614
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: last year. In Chase Burns, he just got here. I

615
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: mean he started in Dayton in twenty t twenty five

616
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: before making it to the majors and pitching a little

617
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: bit there. So I think that ultimately both guys somewhere

618
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Speaker 1: between fifteen and twenty starts. You put that together and

619
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Speaker 1: you've got a real fifth starter. But they're both going

620
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Speaker 1: to show their value for this ball club very soon.

621
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Speaker 1: I would expect that Chase Burns wins the opening day

622
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Speaker 1: appointment for the fifth starter. But I, like I said, like,

623
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Speaker 1: he's going to be a guy where they manage his

624
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Speaker 1: innings carefully. We'll see starts, skits, We'll see you know,

625
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Speaker 1: those little il sents where it's just like, oh, you know,

626
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Speaker 1: a strained right s bleak becks. You know, I almost

627
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Speaker 1: like they come up with, you know, because they can't

628
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Speaker 1: say load management, right.

629
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, he got a spointer in his heel something

630
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Speaker 2: like that.

631
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, right, yeah, he coming out of a shower

632
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: and just really his toenails just not.

633
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Speaker 2: Something like that.

634
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah exactly.

635
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Speaker 1: But well we'll see like little things like that just

636
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: that manages any and that way he can also be

637
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: a weapon for the resident the playoffs too.

638
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: Look, and there's guys behind those two as well that

639
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: are going to push for some time this year. I

640
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: know you can never have enough pitching depth, and we're

641
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: almost out of time here really quickly. Are you surprised

642
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: that Brady Singer is still on this club because I

643
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: had him ear mark for getting dealt for a bat

644
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 2: all off season long.

645
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: I am, But I also kind of feel like he

646
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: is the spencer fear of the pitching staff where it's

647
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Speaker 1: just like we don't talk about him because we know

648
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: he sawid. We know he's there, like we know he's

649
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: going to be the guy that they need every fifth day.

650
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Speaker 1: Is he going to push for a cy Young No?

651
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Speaker 1: Is he going to be the best pitcher on the staff. No,

652
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Speaker 1: but he is going to be a consistent force free

653
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Speaker 1: and every fifth day if it's between Brady Singer and

654
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Speaker 1: in a bullpen day. You know it's going to be

655
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Speaker 1: Brady Singer, but I think that you're right, like there

656
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Speaker 1: was a chance, it felt like to upgrade the lineup

657
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Speaker 1: a bit. I just don't know what people were asking for.

658
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: Because he saw some really interesting like the Taylor word

659
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: for Grayson Ryriguez trade between Baltimore and LA really made

660
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: me think that Brady Singer wasn't going to bring in

661
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Speaker 1: the kind of return that I initially fought. And so

662
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Speaker 1: if it were between having a bona fide starting pitcher

663
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Speaker 1: for thirty two games or maybe a kind of upgrade

664
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Speaker 1: to the lineup, I'll take the starting pitcher for thirty

665
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Speaker 1: two games because I know that's what he's gonna give me.

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Speaker 2: Jeff, You're the man. Where could people find the stuff?

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00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: Sir Rick? I appreciate you. Man. You can find Lockdown

668
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: Reds everywhere you get your podcast, including the iHeartRadio app,

669
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: and you can follow me on all the social media.

670
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: You can follow the show at Lockdown Reds or you

671
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: can follow me personally at Jeff Carr with three f's.

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Speaker 2: Thank the wife again for the time. Thanks man, We'll

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Speaker 2: do at d There you go. Jeff Carr, Lockdown Reds

674
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Speaker 2: Podcast as we look ahead to the Reds upcoming season.

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Speaker 2: After the top of the hour news here, we're going

676
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Speaker 2: to put a bow thankfully on the Bengals twenty twenty

677
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Speaker 2: five season and look ahead to the twenty twenty six

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Speaker 2: off season with James or Peen Cincinnati Bengals talk here

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Speaker 2: on the Home of the Red seven hundred w Well w.

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Speaker 3: Standing at going into the combine that you're going to

681
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Speaker 3: find a team that wants him, you agree to trade compensation,

682
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Speaker 3: then you give him the right to negotiate with that team,

683
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: bing bang boom. I think it should be done, not

684
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: just and be done, should be done, and this would

685
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Speaker 3: be the way to maximize an asset that I believe

686
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 3: is walking out the door regardless, will not be a

687
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Speaker 3: Bengal this season, regardless of what they do. So why

688
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Speaker 3: not try to get something for him?

689
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and cash in on an asset to where you

690
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: know he's one of the gems. And what a lot

691
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: of people are saying is a relatively weak free agent class.

692
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: So I think that's only going to up his value

693
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: this offseason, even coming after the injury. For those of

694
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Speaker 2: you who are listening who don't know, I am also

695
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Speaker 2: a member of the on SI Family with James. I

696
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: come for the wonderful world of professional wrestling, and many

697
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Speaker 2: WWE fans like to do this thing called fantasy booking. James,

698
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Speaker 2: I know you're famil with fantasy booking. I'm going to

699
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: give you a fantasy booking scenario here. And you mentioned

700
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Speaker 2: him a moment ago. You have a guy like Max

701
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Speaker 2: Crosby who wants out of Vegas. He has signed long term,

702
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: he has a He's owed thirty million dollars give or

703
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: take this coming season, and I don't believe there are

704
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Speaker 2: any guaranteed dollars in his contract beyond twenty twenty six.

705
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: He is under the age of thirty and he is

706
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: still a dominant edge rusher that is a tailor made

707
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Speaker 2: fit for the Cincinnati front office. As far as I

708
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 2: am concerned, is there a world where we could see

709
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 2: the Bengals pull off something where they tag and they

710
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: trade Hendrickson to Vegas, allow him to work out an

711
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Speaker 2: extension with the Raiders and get Crosby in return. Am

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Speaker 2: I off basin thinking that that's fair compensation. Where might

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Speaker 2: the hang up be on making a deal like that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think on the surface it could work.

715
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Speaker 1: Now we have to.

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Speaker 3: Understand that Trey Henderson's trade value is much like far

717
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Speaker 3: away than Max Crosby's. And it's not just age or

718
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 3: anything like that. It's one guy said to become a

719
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 3: free agency other the others under contract for four years,

720
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Speaker 3: and so that changes things a lot, and so it

721
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Speaker 3: would not be a even close to a one for

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Speaker 3: one swap. And so I throughout this scenario. In Cincinnati

723
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Speaker 3: Bengals talk last week, it's like, well, if Max is available,

724
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Speaker 3: you want to keep that tenth pick if you can,

725
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Speaker 3: So would you give up this year's second round? It's

726
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Speaker 3: forty first overall and next year's first for Max. And

727
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Speaker 3: if the Raiders were like, yeah, we went ten overall instead, well,

728
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Speaker 3: then would you be willing to also throw a tray

729
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Speaker 3: in that mix? And I think a lot of people

730
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Speaker 3: would say, well, man, pray plus this year's SOTU plus

731
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 3: next year's what, Like, that's just a lot. But you

732
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Speaker 3: have to understand that if they tag tray and trade

733
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Speaker 3: them somewhere, they're probably getting a third or fourth round pick.

734
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Speaker 3: They're not getting a first or second round pick. And

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Speaker 3: so would you give up a two and a one

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Speaker 3: next year and a four this year? You know, like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I know, I'm getting into the leads here. The point

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Speaker 3: is is, like, yeah, right, it couldn't be the sweetener

739
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Speaker 3: that makes or put the Bengals over the top in

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Speaker 3: that kind of deal, because if I'm the Raiders and

741
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Speaker 3: I can turn Max Crosby into a future one A

742
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Speaker 3: two this year and Trey Hendrickson, well, that that could

743
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Speaker 3: make a lot of sense. So I wouldn't be stunned

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00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 3: if Max Crowsby get traded. I think that that's certainly

745
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Speaker 3: on the table, even though Vegas wants to keep him.

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Speaker 3: I would be stunned if the Bengals were willing to

747
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Speaker 3: go that aggressively after Max Crowsby, given what we know

748
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Speaker 3: about them. But would I be open to it. I

749
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Speaker 3: would be open to a deal for sure, even if

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Speaker 3: it does involve Track.

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00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: Well, and that's the debate, right of whether or not

752
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Speaker 2: to take the big swing. I mean, you've got t

753
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Speaker 2: Higgins and Jamar Chase publicly abdicating for a Max Crosby

754
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: or a Jeffrey Simmons. But at the same time, you know,

755
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: you do need to improve at every single level of

756
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: the defense. If the Bengals were to commit a significant

757
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: amount of money on one player or two like they

758
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 2: would have to with the Simmons or a Crosby. How

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00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: creative would they then have to be to shore up

760
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Speaker 2: the depth of the defense while also still finding starting

761
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 2: caliber players at linebacker, safety, slock corner positions like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they have enough cap space and they

763
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: have the ability to open up more money, which I

764
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 3: mentioned in one way would just be restructuring Joe Burrow's contract,

765
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Speaker 3: And I think that there's a lot of people that

766
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: think that Joe would, yeah, well restructure at Joe or

767
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 3: take a pay cut. Restructure isn't a pay cut, and

768
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 3: it would free up like twenty miniy dollars in cat space,

769
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Speaker 3: and so it would really just come down to how

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Speaker 3: much cash the Bengals want to spend, like physical cash

771
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 3: they want to spend this offseason. But yeah, I think

772
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Speaker 3: they can do that, and those are the type of

773
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 3: moves that they should be looking at. How do we

774
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 3: get a piece on defense that can join Joe, Jamar

775
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 3: and Steve as faces of our team? And the practy

776
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 3: part about this Rick is it does feel like Trey

777
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 3: was that at one point for some reason. If things

778
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 3: have gotten so sour with both sides, I don't think

779
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: you can recover there, But can you find that next piece?

780
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: Maybe it's with the tenth pick in the draft, but

781
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 3: you and I both know you can't bank on that

782
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 3: even if a Reuben Bain is there, Caleb Downs is there,

783
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 3: and so yeah, they need to be willing to and

784
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 3: they need to understand the Bengals front office and ownership.

785
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 3: They need to understand if they go way and really

786
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: push and it doesn't work, I don't think anyone's going

787
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 3: to be like, you know, we can't believe you did that.

788
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 3: It's when they don't do it, when they go the

789
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Speaker 3: half step, and then it doesn't work when they don't

790
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 3: add enough in free agency like last offseason, and then

791
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: I spend every day talking about how they haven't added

792
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 3: enough to this roster. And they go out and they

793
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 3: go emin eight without Joe Burrow. Well guess well they

794
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 3: went on because they didn't add enough for the roster.

795
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 3: So yes, this is definitely an off season. They're not

796
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 3: just one trade away. Even if they made a big splash,

797
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 3: it would be okay, what else do you have for us?

798
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Speaker 3: Hopefully they know that at a course stadium.

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Speaker 2: What is the likelihood that they do a restructure with

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow.

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00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: I think it depends on how you look at it.

802
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: Like his contract is certainly set up.

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00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 3: When they did it, they did it with the idea

804
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 3: that they can restructure it down the line, free up

805
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 3: more money, give themselves flexibility. At the same time, they

806
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: don't really restructure, but that's not something that they've.

807
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: Done, and.

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Speaker 3: Mostly because a lot of the contracts that they have

809
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: and do and put into place aren't one that you

810
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 3: need to restructure. It's different. He's got so much guaranteed money.

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Speaker 3: It's just such a big contract that you can restructure

812
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 3: and the rewards of it, the benefits of it, and

813
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 3: so I think they're pretty good. And you bring up

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00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: Bill and I think that's the important part here. You

815
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 3: and I can talk about this. Joe knows all of

816
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 3: this stuff. And I keep going back to in my

817
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 3: head because I talk about this team every day, right

818
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 3: every single day, I'm talking about the Cincinnati Bengals, and

819
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 3: I'm not complaining about that. But I keep going back

820
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 3: to a quote Joe gave me at the end of

821
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Speaker 3: the season last month. I asked him about free agency

822
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Speaker 3: because when I was thinking back to twenty twenty, before

823
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 3: the draft, they go out and they get DJ Reader

824
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 3: and Bond Metal, two huge pieces they paid trade Waves

825
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 3: that didn't work out that they paid him too, but

826
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Speaker 3: they get some huge pieces they tag aj Green. The

827
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 3: next year, they go out and they make noise in

828
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Speaker 3: free agency and they get to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Joe knows about that stuff. Joe's eyeing this and following.

830
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Speaker 3: It just like we are. And he's the most important

831
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 3: person in the building. So you better make sure that

832
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 3: he's happy with the additions you make. And if that

833
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 3: means restructuring his deal to make more additions, well that's

834
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 3: exactly what you should do.

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Speaker 2: That man better be sitting at a lot of tables

836
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Speaker 2: at Jeff Ruby's this offseason, if you know what I'm saying. Also,

837
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 2: the best closer in the business we got James repen

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00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 2: here on seven hundred WLW lockedow on Bengals podcast Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Bengals Talk on SI again, focusing here on the defense

840
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: for a couple more minutes. You listen to Duke Tobin's

841
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: comments during his end of the season press conference, and

842
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: it's clear where he thinks about the defensive line, about

843
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 2: adding pass rushers. I mean, you gotta believe that's going

844
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 2: to be a major area that this team focuses on

845
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: during the offseason. Even with you know, Shamar Stewart showing

846
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: us some flashes late in the year and Miles Murphy

847
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: really coming on for the second half of the year,

848
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 2: you still need to add some depth there. You need

849
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 2: maybe a game changer there as well, because you are

850
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 2: most likely losing Trey Hendrickson. But as you have highlighted

851
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: on Cincinnati Bengals Talk, they have graded out worst in

852
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 2: the league at the safety position since they let Jesse

853
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 2: Bates walk in free agency a few years ago. It

854
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: is pretty darn clear, James, they have got to find

855
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: a way to get some significant upgrades in the back

856
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: end of the secondary.

857
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 3: This offseason has to have to have to and it

858
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 3: needs to happen next month. You can't wait till April.

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00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: So there you go.

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Speaker 3: That's the first thing. I can't wait till April. The

861
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 3: guy I would go after is a local guy. Last

862
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 3: night's tack on Twitter on Brian Cook still has a

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00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 3: picture of the Cincinnati skyline and his backdrop. I would

864
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 3: go after that Cincinnati native. I'd scoop him up and

865
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 3: I bring him back to get him out of Kansas.

866
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 3: City and get him here to Cincinnati. And look, he

867
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 3: was someone at the University of Cincinnati that it just

868
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 3: felt like he was an anchor on the back end there.

869
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 3: Obviously there were other guys in that secondary that got

870
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 3: more headlines, and I think that's exactly what we've seen.

871
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: With the Chiefs.

872
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 3: Initially he was one of multiple guys on the back

873
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: end there and really emerged this year and is one

874
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 3: of those guys you can build around. Good culture guy,

875
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 3: good veteran that could come in, huge hitter. He's not

876
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 3: going to give you those little shoulder geno stone tackles attempts. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

877
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: Exactly right, like you are pro wrestling.

878
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 3: It's like the worst amateur wrestler trying to make a

879
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 3: tackle out there.

880
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: Better shoulder tackles than you.

881
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 3: There you go, there, you go in in that hit though,

882
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 3: he would bring that. And then, because this is a

883
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 3: good draft for safety, if Caleb Downs is there, just

884
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 3: what you can do, you could still take him if

885
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 3: you he's your highest graded player, because now you have

886
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 3: maybe the best safety room in the league. Right And

887
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 3: so that's it is. I think you've got to go

888
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 3: out and get a proven guy next month, and then

889
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 3: still be open, and this is the key. Still be

890
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 3: open in the draft to adding at that spot. That

891
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 3: doesn't mean you have to force it because you got

892
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 3: it in free agency. So if they don't follow you, fine,

893
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 3: you got Brian Cook and Jordan battle On you can roll.

894
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 3: But Nick Cross is another one to pay attended to.

895
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 3: There are some free agent safeties out there. Go get

896
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 3: an upgrade and make this right because the safety position

897
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 3: is a big rigon why this Bengals team has struggle

898
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 3: so much over the past few years on defense.

899
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: Good segue into the draft. Let's say the Bengals do

900
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 2: hang on to that tenth overall pick, which seems like

901
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 2: the likely scenario to me. It's hard to say now

902
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: without knowing what they do in free agency, a few signings,

903
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 2: and obviously you know change the plan for that pick.

904
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: But there is a lot to like about a Reuben Bain,

905
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: there's a lot to like about a David Bailey, who

906
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: both could potentially be there at ten. You mentioned earlier.

907
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: I keep reading the Caleb Downs, the safety out of

908
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: Ohio State. He may be the best player in the

909
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 2: entire draft. He could be the first top ten safety

910
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: to go in nearly a decade. If any one of

911
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: those three fell to the Bengals, you create a situation

912
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: where you believe that they should be running to the

913
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 2: podium the way that the defense is currently constructed. Are

914
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 2: people like myself, though, overlooking the possibility that they go

915
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: offense at ten.

916
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 3: Overall, as of now, I don't think so. I want

917
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: them to be in that position where they shouldn't consider

918
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 3: off and they feel like they can consider offense. You

919
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 3: know me, I always am considering offense, and it's because

920
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 3: in the draft, you cannot be one side of the ball, like,

921
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: you cannot limit yourself that way, especially in the first round,

922
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 3: because it doesn't matter if you want a defensive end

923
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 3: that doesn't produce, or a wide receiver or running back

924
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 3: that's Boston like, I'll tell you which one I want.

925
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: I love the Austin player.

926
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 3: And there are a lot of people that will debate

927
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 3: me until they red in the face about that, But

928
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 3: that's just how I view it. I don't think today

929
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 3: the Bengals would feel comfortable going offense at ten. I

930
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: need them to be comfortable on April one of really

931
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 3: looking at the offensive players in this draft so they

932
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: can open up their board a bit and be comfortable

933
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 3: with taking an offensive player at ten, which means they

934
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 3: have to spend a lot on free agency and have

935
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 3: to go back to the free agency portion. But I

936
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 3: think that should be their goal, and it is tough

937
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 3: like looking at the path for offense. To me, there

938
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 3: aren't many offensive linemen because that's where everybody's going to

939
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 3: go right away, is the offensive lineman. And I'm not

940
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 3: sure that there's anyone that you would look at and say, oh, well,

941
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 3: that's obvious.

942
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: Now.

943
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 3: Could there be a tight end that emerges? I think so.

944
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 3: Could Makay Lemon, the wide receiver out of USCB in

945
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 3: the mix, Carnell Paid out of Ohio State. Maybe you know,

946
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 3: I think that those guys may go in the top ten,

947
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 3: could go earlier than that the one offensive player that

948
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 3: sort of stands out. And Zach Taylor may laugh at

949
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 3: me for this because I don't know if they necessarily

950
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 3: value running backs like that. But if Jeremiah Love is

951
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 3: there at ten, you really put yourself in a spot

952
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 3: because it's hard for me to see a path at

953
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 3: least says of today where he isn't by far the

954
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 3: best player available. Because if he's there at ten, then

955
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 3: Ruben Vane's probably gone. Calem Down's probably gone. Maybe you

956
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 3: don't feel like David Bailey is a complete prospect. You know,

957
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: we've seen that with some of the edge rushers who

958
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 3: I think he's a lot of fun and he's productive.

959
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 3: But anyways, maybe you don't feel that way about David

960
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 3: Bailey and you look in Jeremiah Love, who I look

961
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 3: up his comps and it's like Premier kids who I

962
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 3: loved in the draft and guys like that, Like you

963
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 3: have to consider it. So is it realistic today? I

964
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 3: don't think it is, Rick, But could it at some

965
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 3: point be realistic that Love on Valentine's Day, By the

966
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 3: way I'm calling it, Jeremiah Love makes his way to Cincinnati,

967
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 3: I certainly hope. So they need to put themselves in

968
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: that position. So ten weeks from now, Love and be

969
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 3: in the air here in the Queens City.

970
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 2: Real quick here, James, because I'm almost at a time

971
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: I keep hearing people say that the Bengals are set

972
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 2: on offense. Look at all the weapons solidify, the offensive

973
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 2: line is solidified, Like, don't need to address much there,

974
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 2: focus all of it on the defense. Let's just say

975
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: it free agency. If there's one key addition this team

976
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: could make on the offensive side of the ball.

977
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 3: Where is it, Oh, swing tackle? They need a better

978
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 3: swing tackle and that assumes that they address right guard

979
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 3: or keep doing Riisinger. But yes, I think that did

980
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 3: because if Orlando Brown Junior or o Marius means get

981
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 3: nicked up, you need to be confident that you can

982
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: put someone in there that can play left and right tackle.

983
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 3: So swing tackle is the one that they need to prioritize.

984
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: And maybe it won't cost a lot.

985
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 3: You know, maybe maybe our good friend Trent Brown from

986
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 3: a few years ago comes back. You played pretty well

987
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 3: for Houston. It's funny as it sounds like I think

988
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 3: I'd be in on Trent Brown again, so we'll see.

989
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, swing tackle would be a big one.

990
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 2: You surprised me there. I thought I was tee up

991
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 2: or slot receiver James. Where can people find your stuff?

992
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 3: Slot Receivers number ten with McKay lemon, Baby, it's you

993
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 3: can check me out Cincinnati Bengalstock on YouTube, Bengals Talk

994
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 3: dot com, and The Lack on Bengals podcast.

995
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 2: James, you're the best. I appreciate it, mass appreciate you

996
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: coming up after the bottom of the hour news. Let's

997
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: give a little love to the still undefeated Miami RedHawks

998
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: on this Valentine's Day. Rick Uchino with you guys until

999
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: nine o'clock. You're on the home of the Reds. Seven

1000
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 2: hundred wl W. That's seven hundred w wel w. Ricky

1001
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: Chino in until nine o'clock to no on this Valentine's Day.

1002
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: Big day for the Xavier Musketeers ninety six eighty eight

1003
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 2: over Marquette last night, number twenty three Miami. They took

1004
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: care of Ohio ninety to seventy four to move to

1005
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 2: twenty five and zero on the year. So a good

1006
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: weekend so far. You see plays tomorrow, but a good

1007
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 2: weekend so far for college hoops here in the Tri State.

1008
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 2: And to break it all down, Paul Fritchner of the

1009
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: Rebound Rundown joining me here on seven hundred WLW. Paul,

1010
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 2: I appreciate the time man. First off, I got to

1011
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: start with what went down last night. In a year

1012
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 2: where both you see and Xavier are long shots to

1013
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: go on postseason runs like the Tri State desperately needed

1014
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 2: somebody to step up this year, and it's been the

1015
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: Miami RedHawks and the student body in Oxford fired up

1016
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 2: about it. Another sellout crowd at Malet Hall last night.

1017
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: As you noted on your ex account, this was the

1018
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 2: first nationally televised game on ESPN between two MAX schools

1019
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: since nineteen ninety. Almost as unlikely as WWE events being

1020
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 2: broadcast on the Worldwide Leader, but now both our realities.

1021
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: What was that atmosphere like as the RedHawks rolled the

1022
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 2: Bobcats to remain on the field.

1023
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 4: YEA, yeah, First of all, I appreciate you having me on,

1024
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 4: and it really was incredible last night. You walked in

1025
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 4: and it just felt different. It felt like there was

1026
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 4: a different vibe in there. Got there about an hour

1027
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 4: and a half before the game started, and even walking in,

1028
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 4: I mean the place was almost full an hour before

1029
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 4: the game started, and I think you could tell that

1030
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 4: you know, what they're doing up there in Oxford. This

1031
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 4: season is really special. And I tweeted it after the game.

1032
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 4: You know, this is everything that's happening in Oxford right now.

1033
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 4: It's everything that college basketball fans say they want for

1034
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 4: their team, right I mean, Travis built this group around

1035
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 4: retention and freshmen. They only have one transfer contributing this season.

1036
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 4: You know, they took a couple of freshmen, they have

1037
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 4: a ton of experience back. They're the highest scoring team

1038
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 4: in the country. And now what they're doing is they're

1039
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 4: also getting their defense up to a level that it

1040
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 4: needs to be going into March. And so all of

1041
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 4: that combined, you know, seven thousand students last night, it's

1042
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 4: just an incredible atmosphere up at Malett.

1043
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,919
Speaker 2: They did work through some foul trouble in the first

1044
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 2: half last night, ran away with it in the second half.

1045
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: A dominant performance on both sides of the court. As

1046
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 2: you mentioned, this has been a high powered offense all

1047
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 2: year long, and now that defense is starting to catch up.

1048
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 2: What is working for the Red Hawks on that side

1049
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 2: of the ball that maybe wasn't earlier in the year

1050
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 2: that led to a few nail biers.

1051
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's their fluidity now, and again I

1052
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 4: think it's the defense too that's contributing back up to it,

1053
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 4: because you know, I talked to Travis Steel after the

1054
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 4: game and he told me earlier in the season, especially

1055
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 4: in that five game stretch where it was coming right

1056
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 4: down to the wire, they were really just trying to

1057
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 4: outscore teams. They were trying to, you know, go out

1058
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 4: there and just say to themselves, let's see if we

1059
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 4: can score one hundred points, and eventually we're going to

1060
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 4: come up with enough that will win this game. But instead,

1061
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 4: you know, now you're getting enough on the defensive end

1062
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 4: to really pick up the slack two. And you know,

1063
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 4: they're one of the best three point shooting teams in

1064
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 4: the country. They're elite around the basket. Their off ball

1065
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 4: movement is great, they're cutting their court awareness, they don't

1066
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 4: turn the ball over much. It's just all the way around.

1067
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 4: It's well rounded.

1068
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: Six very winnable games left. Hard not to look ahead

1069
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 2: once you get to this point and you're twenty five

1070
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 2: and zero. But they get past UMass and Bowling Green.

1071
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 2: You like their chances against Eastern and Western Michigan. Then

1072
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 2: it's Toledo and Ohio again, both hovering around that five

1073
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 2: hundred mark. Who has the best chance to play spoiler

1074
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: here and ruin what could be a really magical thirty

1075
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 2: one to o season.

1076
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: I think it's UMass on Tuesday.

1077
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Speaker 4: UMass is probably their toughest game left because they just

1078
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 4: played Miami very tough a couple of weeks ago. Miami

1079
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 4: only beat you Mass by two at Malet Hall U

1080
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 4: Mass actually had a shot at the buzzer to win

1081
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 4: that game.

1082
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: And U Mass has.

1083
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 4: Been playing a little bit better late. They've lost to

1084
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 4: in a row coming into this, but they've been nail

1085
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 4: biders and they only lost by seven last night to Akron, who,

1086
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 4: by the metrics, you know, is a pretty good team

1087
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 4: in this league, and they're they're the highest ranked ken

1088
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 4: Pom seeming this league.

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00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: Acron is and so you.

1090
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 4: Know, U Mass has been playing a little bit better.

1091
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 4: I think that'll be a challenging game. Toledo could be,

1092
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 4: but Miami boat raced Toledo up at Toledo the first

1093
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 4: time the team's played, So there's a very good chance

1094
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 4: that Miami does it, that they go into the conference

1095
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 4: tournament undefeated. But I think Tuesday night at UMass is

1096
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 4: definitely going to be one to keep an eye on.

1097
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: There's obviously going to be a lot of talking there

1098
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 2: already has been about strength of schedule when it comes

1099
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 2: to this Miami team and and NCAA tournament bids. Let

1100
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 2: me let me start here. If there is a hiccup,

1101
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 2: you know, during the conference tournament, will the selection committee

1102
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: give two bids to the MAC for the first time

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00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 2: in nearly three decades.

1104
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 4: Yes, if they go into the MAC Tournament undefeated, they

1105
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 4: will absolutely get a bid to the NCAA Tournament.

1106
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: If they lose one before and.

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00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 4: Then don't win the conference tournament, I still think they

1108
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 4: would get in. But you're probably kind of playing with

1109
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 4: fire at that point. I can't believe I'm saying that

1110
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 4: given that you're losing one game in the entire course

1111
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 4: of the regular season and we're talking about missing the tournament.

1112
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 4: But it's just the way it goes. I still think

1113
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 4: they would get in. I think with two losses they

1114
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 4: would still be in. But I think if they go

1115
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 4: into it undefeated that they would absolutely find their name

1116
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:29,720
Speaker 4: on the board on flesh and Sunday.

1117
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: Best case scenario, they run the table, they win the

1118
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 2: conference tournament. How much respect are you expecting them to

1119
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 2: get when it comes to seating, Yeah, I would.

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Speaker 4: Say that Miami they're probably going to top out around

1121
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 4: a ten seed.

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00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: It feels right.

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Speaker 4: I Mean, I've seen a couple of people say they

1124
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 4: could get up towards the nine, but the problem is

1125
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 4: they don't have the opportunities left on their schedule to

1126
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 4: really climb those ranks, you know, And I think at

1127
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 4: this point, you just getting to the tournament is going

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Speaker 4: to be the win for the season, right, I mean,

1129
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 4: just hearing their name called is going to be what

1130
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 4: you know, is the cherry on top of everything that

1131
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 4: they've been building up in Oxford this year. I would

1132
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 4: expect them to be an eleven seed in the tournament,

1133
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 4: could maybe be a ten seed as well. But you know,

1134
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 4: if they're an eleven seed, they're not going to play

1135
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 4: in Dayton if they win the MAC Tournament. You can't

1136
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 4: play in Dayton if you win the MAC Tournament here

1137
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 4: because they wouldn't be a sixteen seed. Those the auto

1138
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 4: bid that play up there, the last four at large

1139
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 4: teams that would play in Dayton. So Miami loses the game,

1140
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 4: they could end up there. But you know, I've seen

1141
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 4: some people talking about could they end up in Dayton,

1142
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 4: you know, and play a pseudo home game in the

1143
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 4: first round of the tournament, in the first four.

1144
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: That would only be if they lost going into it.

1145
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 2: Regardless, It's an exciting time and an exciting conversation if

1146
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: you're a Red Hawk alum or a red Hawk fan.

1147
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: Paul Fritchner was the rebound Rundown joining me here on

1148
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Speaker 2: seven hundred w WELW four a few more minutes now.

1149
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 2: You mentioned something earlier. You know, if you are someone

1150
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: who's listening right now who's not overly fond of this

1151
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 2: new landscape of college basketball, you do have to be

1152
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 2: a fan of the way that Travis Steel has been

1153
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 2: able to build this team a very old school approach recruit, develop, retain.

1154
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 2: I thought Byron Larkin had an interesting take during the

1155
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 2: Xavier pregame today. With nil present and going nowhere, he

1156
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 2: would like to see the NCAA implement a rule that

1157
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 2: players are not allowed to transfer unless a coach leaves

1158
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 2: or gets fired, or if they do leave, they go

1159
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 2: back to the good old days of if they transfer

1160
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 2: they have to sit out a year. There are a

1161
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Speaker 2: lot of critics of the transfer portal. Do you feel

1162
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 2: like there are some new regulations that are needed and

1163
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 2: eventually will be coming.

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00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 4: I think what actually would fix college basketball more so

1166
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 4: than NIL would be the transfer portal. I think Byron's

1167
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 4: exactly right there. I think that the happy medium would

1168
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 4: be that you can transfer if your coach leaves, or

1169
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 4: you can transfer one time you get one, you get

1170
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 4: one tow over right, like you pick your program, and

1171
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 4: maybe the coach.

1172
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: Led you on and you didn't really like what the situation.

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00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 4: Was when you got there, and then you decide to

1174
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 4: go to a different level.

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00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: Okay, you can do that, but if you transfer again,

1176
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to sit out a year.

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Speaker 4: And I think if you really look at a lot

1178
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 4: of the schools around the sport, you know, a lot

1179
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 4: of the same schools are getting a lot of the

1180
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 4: same caliber of players that they were pre in IL.

1181
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 4: You know, the big schools are getting the best players,

1182
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 4: the mid major schools are getting the mid major type talent,

1183
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 4: and it's because of NIL. The difference is that without

1184
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 4: the retention, those players are leaving. So you know, it's

1185
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 4: a little harder as a fan to get to know

1186
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 4: your team. You have less of an incentive to follow

1187
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 4: the team because you're not getting to know the players

1188
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 4: as they go along in their career. So I think

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Speaker 4: I think the transfer portal is a more valuable stix

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00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 4: to college athletics than NIL is because it's hard to

1191
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 4: put the financial genie back in the bottle once.

1192
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: Once you come that.

1193
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 4: But I think the portal, is you're exactly right, is

1194
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 4: something that they could fix pretty easily.

1195
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 2: During the Xavier game, there was a rather big development.

1196
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 2: It was reported that Shaka Smart is ready to now

1197
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 2: change with the times and delve into the transfer portal

1198
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 2: in trying to supplement the Golden Eagles young core, and

1199
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 2: they do have some really nice young players. Moreover, he

1200
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 2: has also been promised the resources to get out there

1201
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 2: and be competitive and that recruitment process. That's a pretty

1202
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 2: major development, not only for Marquette but for the other

1203
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 2: teams in the Big East.

1204
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's huge, And honestly, I was watching the game

1205
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 4: and it kind of caught me off guard hearing that

1206
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 4: sideline report that you know, some news like that would

1207
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 4: just come out out of a timeout on the games

1208
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 4: that you know, sometimes when you're listening to those sideline reports,

1209
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 4: it's awesome human interest stories and things like that. But

1210
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, I'm sitting there and I'm listening

1211
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 4: to it. I'm going, hold on a second, did they

1212
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 4: just say that Marque's going to start taking transfers?

1213
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: And you know, if you don't follow.

1214
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 4: Marquette, I mean, Shaka Smart has been staunchly opposed to

1215
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 4: just simply going to transfer route. Now, you think back

1216
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 4: like Tyler Kohlick, who was one of the best point

1217
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 4: guards in the Big East a couple of years ago

1218
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 4: on a team that went a two season tournament. He

1219
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 4: was a transfer. It's not like he hasn't taken any

1220
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 4: but you know, this year's team zero transfers. Last year's team,

1221
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 4: you know, you're not taking transfers, and so because of that,

1222
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 4: you're hoping that your development pays off. And now Marquet's

1223
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 4: one of the worst teams in the Big East and

1224
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 4: you're saying yourself, all right, you got you can't you

1225
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 4: can't be pulling the conference down because you're stubborn. You

1226
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 4: have to do what you need to do to win games.

1227
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 4: And so it's good for the Big East, it's good

1228
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 4: for Marquete and the other thing too. It's not like

1229
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 4: you have to do your whole roster with transfer. Its

1230
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 4: just you know, a couple of pieces to maybe compliment

1231
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 4: what you've already built. You know, you look at a

1232
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 4: lot of these top teams, they're still doing it with

1233
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 4: players that have been there and been on your roster

1234
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 4: for a while.

1235
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: You know, Michigan State's a great example.

1236
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 4: Produce some of these teams in the Big Ten, like

1237
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 4: some of these top teams, you're still doing it with

1238
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 4: players that have been around. I'm not saying you have

1239
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 4: to get eight transfers, but a couple, you know, as

1240
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 4: nice when the tools available.

1241
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 2: Well, as far as tonight was concerned, very nice win

1242
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 2: for Richard Patino's team, ninety six to eighty eight over Marquette,

1243
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 2: so they avenged that one point loss from earlier in

1244
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 2: the year. Four musketeers and double figures. They hit sixteen threes,

1245
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 2: including eight in the first eight minutes of the game.

1246
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 2: They take a sixteen point lead into the half. I

1247
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 2: think the closest Marquette was able to cut it was four.

1248
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 2: Maybe they got it within four twice. I believe Xavier

1249
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 2: able to pull away with some more big shots. The

1250
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 2: defense had some issues in the second half. Bottom line,

1251
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 2: you're not going to lose many games shooting.

1252
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: Like that, No, until you're night tire.

1253
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 4: Season hives sixteen threes, second most in program history. Sixteen

1254
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 4: threes and Mike you said, you hit eight before the

1255
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 4: second media time out of the game. That's going to

1256
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 4: set yourself up well. And the defense is really suspect

1257
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 4: in the second half.

1258
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: Richard Patino talked about that.

1259
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 4: After the game. The defense just had to be better

1260
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 4: or down the stretch.

1261
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: You know.

1262
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 4: But for to Xavier's credit, they lost a really tough,

1263
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 4: brinded out game up in Milwaukee when they played Marquette

1264
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 4: the first time, and this was completely different.

1265
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: I mean, they scored in the sixties the first time.

1266
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 4: Now they scored almost one hundred points today. And I

1267
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 4: think for Xavier, you know, the offense has been there

1268
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 4: this season. It's gotten stagnant times, but it's also you know,

1269
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 4: been potent at other times as well.

1270
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: It's been the defense that held them back.

1271
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 4: And I think, you know, for Xavier today, you built

1272
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 4: a big enough lead and you got it done against

1273
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 4: the Marquette team that struggled to open the game, and

1274
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 4: I did enough to win. And I think, you know,

1275
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 4: you have some winnable games down the stretch. You still

1276
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 4: have to play Villanova twice, but your other games are winnable.

1277
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 4: You know, you have four games against other teams outside

1278
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 4: of Villanova, and if you can get a few of

1279
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 4: those finished with a winning record. For the dialogue that

1280
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 4: was you know, surrounding this team going into the season,

1281
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 4: that that'd be a great achievement.

1282
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: I would say, chances are.

1283
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 2: They're not going to shoot like they did tonight against

1284
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 2: on a Tuesday, So what do they need to do

1285
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 2: to have better success on the defensive side of the

1286
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 2: ball against Villanova.

1287
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, if Vilanova is a tough team.

1288
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 4: You know, they have one of the best freshmen in

1289
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 4: the Big East, Cayden Lewis. They're a team that can

1290
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 4: score the basketball pretty well. They put up eighty points

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Speaker 4: today against Creighton. They haven't scored fewer than seventy two

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Speaker 4: in a long time since January twenty fourth, and this

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Speaker 4: five game winning streak they're on, they're putting up a

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Speaker 4: ton and they spread the ball out pretty well.

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Speaker 1: They take a ton of threes.

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Speaker 4: So they just have to be stronger on the perimeter

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Speaker 4: because if you start, you know, hitting threes, that's an

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Speaker 4: easy way to build momentum, easy way to get back

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Speaker 4: in the game quickly. So we'll see what happens on

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Speaker 4: Tuesday night. But you know, you always got a shot

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Speaker 4: in a home game. And Villanova has certainly been suspect

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Speaker 4: at times this year, but looks like they're going to

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Speaker 4: be the third of three Big et SENSWA tournament team.

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Speaker 2: Real quick, I want to touch on what's going on

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Speaker 2: in Clifton. Another another disappointing season for West Miller and

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Speaker 2: the uc Bearcats, and following the lost to West Virginia,

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Speaker 2: I mean, Wes Miller seemed to be at a loss.

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Speaker 2: But give the Cats some credit here. They've been able

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Speaker 2: to bounce back with a couple of dominant wins over

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Speaker 2: UCF and Kansas State. They're you know, they got a

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Speaker 2: pretty good opportunity here for a three game win streak

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Speaker 2: with Utah tomorrow. As frustrating as this year has been,

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Speaker 2: they're still playing hard. Gisel James is a nice story.

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Speaker 2: Is there something to be said for the effort that

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Speaker 2: they're still being able to put in and what seems

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Speaker 2: to be a lost season.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think there is to an extent,

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Speaker 4: because look, they had every reason after that West Virginia

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Speaker 4: game to just pack it up. You know, maybe you

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Speaker 4: win a game here or there down the stretch and

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Speaker 4: just say, oh, all right, but you know the season's over.

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Speaker 4: We're not gonna make the tournament. Fine, but look, you

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Speaker 4: went from scoring fifty four points in two consecutive games

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Speaker 4: against Houston and Virginia. And I know Houston's one of

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Speaker 4: the best defensive teams in the country, but still fifty

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Speaker 4: four points in consecutive games.

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Speaker 1: So then scoring ninety two against UCF, who's a tournament team.

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Speaker 4: And you know, if you hadn't watched college basketball all

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Speaker 4: year and you said, all right, pick a team between

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Speaker 4: Cincinnati and UCF and tell me which team's the tournament

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Speaker 4: team and which team has struggled this year, you would

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Speaker 4: have said Cincinnati is a tournament team, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: They just flipped the script in that one.

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Speaker 4: And Kansas State, obviously they've really struggled this year.

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Speaker 1: Things have gone south for Jerome.

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Speaker 4: Tang and they take advantage of that.

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Speaker 1: That opened that game on a huge run. That game

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Speaker 1: was never closed.

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Speaker 4: You saw, it's the worst team in a Big twelve,

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Speaker 4: so they have a great chance to go on a

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Speaker 4: three game winning streak. The offensive consistency has been the

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Speaker 4: issue all year. It's been the issue during West Miller's tenure.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I do credit these players for not

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Speaker 4: completely just packing it up because it would have been

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Speaker 4: really easy to.

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Speaker 2: Tip off of that game Tomorrow between the Utes and

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Speaker 2: Bearcats is at noon right here on seven hundredul W. Paul,

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Speaker 2: you're the man. Where can people follow along with all

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Speaker 2: your great work for college basketball in the area.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Rebound Rundown.

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Speaker 4: It's a daily podcast you can find on any the

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Speaker 4: audio platform. We have a YouTube channel as well, but

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Speaker 4: you can listen to the show there at the Rebound Rundown.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on as always.

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Speaker 2: Yep, appreciate it, Paul, take care all right, there you go.

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Speaker 2: Coming up at the top of the hour, we got

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Speaker 2: Brady Hopkins with the news. Then we're gonna flip everything

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Speaker 2: on its head. Change the topic of conversation up here

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Speaker 2: a little bit. Ricky Chino, seven hundred wylw members of Congress.

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Speaker 2: It is a very tight majority. I think if the

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Speaker 2: President was going to try to get anything done, obviously

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Speaker 2: he would have to go through Congress to do that.

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Speaker 2: But do you see this narrow majority in the House

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Speaker 2: and Senate being able to come together on something anywhere

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Speaker 2: close to resembling what the president wants for the midterms?

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Speaker 1: Well, sure answer no.

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Speaker 5: I mean, obviously, what's going on right now in Congress

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Speaker 5: will one of the pieces of legislation would be a

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Speaker 5: massive barrier to registration and participation with voter idea requirements

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Speaker 5: and registration requirements that would prevent about twenty million Americans

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Speaker 5: from participating. That narrowly made it the House, but it's

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Speaker 5: going to have trouble making it through the Senate. The

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Speaker 5: issue with crying to federalize the election is he's going

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Speaker 5: to run into opposition within his own party. You know,

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Speaker 5: we've seen leaders, for example in Ohio, say, you know,

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Speaker 5: there's a reason to federalize elections. We've run you know, uh,

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Speaker 5: fair and free elections and as we have for two

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Speaker 5: hundred years. There's absolutely no reason. There's no authority, and

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Speaker 5: there's no appetite for any kind of change. So there's

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Speaker 5: the difficulty right there that you're going to have prominent Republicans,

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Speaker 5: some of whom their career has been based on running

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Speaker 5: elections across the states, you know, who are going to say,

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Speaker 5: you know, not only is this wrong in terms of

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Speaker 5: the Constitution, you know it's wrong in practical terms. And

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Speaker 5: just you know that folks understand. You know, when you

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Speaker 5: go and you register to vote, the federal government has

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Speaker 5: nothing to do with that. You go to your county

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Speaker 5: Board of Elections, you register to vote. That's not a

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Speaker 5: federal process. You know, when you cast that vote, those

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Speaker 5: poll workers weren't hired by the federal government. When those

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Speaker 5: votes are counted, those are folks who in the Ohio

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Speaker 5: for example, in an inherently bipartisan way, have been hired

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Speaker 5: by the local election board to meticulously work together always

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Speaker 5: literally always, everything that's done is done with you know,

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Speaker 5: a five partisan group of folks involved in every step

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Speaker 5: of the problem.

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Speaker 2: So you're talking about the say back there, which did

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Speaker 2: pass on Wednesday of this week. It would put in

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Speaker 2: a number of new voting regulations, restriction of mail in ballots.

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Speaker 2: I'm not exactly sure what those restrictions are as far

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Speaker 2: as the mail in ballots, but proof of citizenship to

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Speaker 2: register to vote. I don't have a passport. I do

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Speaker 2: have a per certificate. I couldn't tell you where it is.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's where the disconnect here is. You're

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Speaker 2: going to have many on the Republicans who say, well,

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Speaker 2: what's the big deal. The big deal is there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of Americas who don't have that documentation readily available

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Speaker 2: to them, even though they are American citizens.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean where this breaks down, and this

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Speaker 5: would affect folks across the country, especially senior citizens for example,

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Speaker 5: you know, past a certain age, you know, people tend

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Speaker 5: not to travel internationally, so they don't have a passport

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Speaker 5: past a certain age, people don't acquire these things. And

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Speaker 5: you know, imagine the scenario of somebody you know, trying

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Speaker 5: to register to vote company maybe vo to their entire life,

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Speaker 5: but has moved and now you know, they're suddenly ineligible

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Speaker 5: to vote. You know, even though there's a lifetime of participating.

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Speaker 5: This effects the very young, It effects folks in poverty particularly.

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Speaker 5: You know, there are people in you know, in the

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Speaker 5: American life that disabled, for example, much less likely to

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Speaker 5: have you know, to have the required documentation for this

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Speaker 5: kind of thing. This is an issue, you know, part

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Speaker 5: of what you just mentioned that the restrictions on mailing

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Speaker 5: in the ballot. That was one where Ohio already mimicked

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Speaker 5: this bill in advance. So in Ohio, if you mail

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Speaker 5: your ballot on time, your absencye ballot on time, but

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Speaker 5: it arrived the day after election day. In the past,

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Speaker 5: Ohio counted that vote. Now Ohio is going to throw

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Speaker 5: that out. It would create that standard nationwidelical.

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Speaker 2: Science professor at the University of Cincinnati, David Nivid joining

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Speaker 2: me here on seven hundred WLW. I want to recap

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Speaker 2: a couple of things that are more than a couple

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Speaker 2: that have happened within the past year. We have now

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Speaker 2: had the President call for a federal oversight of state

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Speaker 2: run elections. We've had a push to require proof of

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Speaker 2: citizenship and a valid ida in order to cast a ballot.

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Speaker 2: We've had the seizure of twenty twenty election information out

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Speaker 2: of Fulton County, Georgia, a semi successful campaign to redistrict

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Speaker 2: red states mid decade in an attempt to help Republicans

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Speaker 2: main congressional control, even though those efforts were countered by

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Speaker 2: some blue states, including California, who actually went to the

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Speaker 2: ballot box to get that one done. There are some

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Speaker 2: people who will point to all of this and say,

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Speaker 2: and I know this because I've read the comments, I've

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Speaker 2: heard it from people firsthand myself, that the strategy for

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Speaker 2: Republicans this year seems more to be too so distrust

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Speaker 2: in the election process as much of that as possible,

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Speaker 2: while also trying to kind of stack the deck in

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Speaker 2: their favor as much as possible as opposed to trying

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Speaker 2: to turn around things when it comes to the economy

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Speaker 2: and immigration reform, which were two big factors in why

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump was reelected in twenty twenty four in the

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Speaker 2: first place, is that a fair assessment. And what do

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Speaker 2: you make of the moves that have been attempted by

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Speaker 2: this administration over the past year.

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Speaker 5: Well, there is certainly, you know, the approach to the

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Speaker 5: election of twenty twenty six on the part of Republicans nationwide,

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Speaker 5: it has been to try and win the election before

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Speaker 5: it happened. You mentioned redistricting, try and sort of set

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Speaker 5: this thing in motion to make it unmosable, rather than

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Speaker 5: actually trying to achieve popularity or you know, win widespread support.

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Speaker 5: And I mean, you do see Trump's numbers are not

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Speaker 5: good at all. They're they're they're very alarming to Republicans.

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Speaker 5: And I'll tell you what alarms Republicans even more is

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Speaker 5: we've seen repeatedly in special elections for open seats at

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Speaker 5: every level across the country, Democrats have been vastly outperforming

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Speaker 5: their you know, historical standards. And so there's an awful

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Speaker 5: lot of folks on the Republicans five who've concluded they're

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Speaker 5: going to be in trouble. There's going to be a

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Speaker 5: massive turnout. You know, it's a ridiculously uphill battle for

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Speaker 5: Republicans to try to succeed. So then they you know,

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Speaker 5: they went with pland well, let's redraw Texas and see

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Speaker 5: if we can we can make ourselves into you know,

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Speaker 5: a safe election. The problem is even jerry mandering, even redistricting,

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Speaker 5: is premise on voters behaving more or less normally. You know,

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Speaker 5: you can't jerry mander your way out of a wave.

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Speaker 5: You can certainly put your thumb on the scale and

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Speaker 5: steel yourself a seat or two here or there. But

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Speaker 5: if a wave is big enough, it crackses right over

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Speaker 5: those jerry mandering walls. And that's what Republicans are worried about.

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Speaker 5: When we saw, you know, there was a state Senate

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Speaker 5: race in Texas, you know recently where you know, this

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Speaker 5: was a very Republican district that suddenly goes democratic. There's

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Speaker 5: no gerrymandering protection if Democrats outperformed by double digits or

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Speaker 5: in that race, outperformed by twenty points.

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Speaker 2: It was very interesting to watch this unfold because the

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Speaker 2: jerry mandering it starts in Texas, and then all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden, you got Gavin Newsom leading a charge out

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Speaker 2: in California. They go to the ballot box and they redistrict.

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Speaker 2: The Republicans try to get it done in Indiana and

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Speaker 2: they ultimately say no, there was redistricting here in Ohio, Illinois.

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Speaker 2: There's a few other states that were involved in this.

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Speaker 2: You know, now that the dust has settled, and based

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Speaker 2: off your last answer, this this may not matter so much,

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Speaker 2: but which party came out ahead as far as the

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Speaker 2: nationwide redistricting battle.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think the bottom line is Republicans probably

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Speaker 5: advantage themselves in a few more districts, but not in

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Speaker 5: a way that's actually going to advantage themselves in the

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Speaker 5: outcome of the election. So, you know, if this were

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Speaker 5: if this were going to be a fifty to fifty

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01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 5: election where the tide wasn't backing either party, the Republicans

1503
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 5: got a little bit out of all that. But what

1504
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 5: they're looking at is not a particularly you know, conducive atmosphere,

1505
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 5: and so you know, there's there's kind of a just

1506
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 5: a natural limit ultimately that jerry mandering. You know, you

1507
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 5: can you can only you know, pack your voters in

1508
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,720
Speaker 5: in so many places before you know, you run out

1509
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,440
Speaker 5: of them. And you know, I think I think Republican

1510
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 5: the miss two things. One they did not anticipate how

1511
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 5: swiftly California and some of the other Democratic states would

1512
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 5: respond if they you know, hit this button and the

1513
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 5: other thing they you know. For example, in the redrawing

1514
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 5: of Ohio, the Ohio map was redrawn anticipating a fairly

1515
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 5: good year for Republicans. But if it's a terrible year

1516
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 5: for Republicans, then their redrawing of Ohio won't have accomplished

1517
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 5: anything for you.

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01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 2: Let me ride into my next question. Ohio was one

1519
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 2: of the states that pushed through a new map that

1520
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 2: does better favor Republicans, even though there there's a constitutional

1521
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 2: amendment that was passed at the ballot box that the

1522
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 2: states districts need to be drawn in a way that

1523
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 2: closely represents Ohio's voter split, which is roughly fifty five

1524
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 2: to forty five red. Instead, we potentially in Ohio could

1525
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 2: be looking at a twelve three GOP advantage based off

1526
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 2: this map. Ohio Democrats did sign off on it, but

1527
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 2: let's be honest, that was probably more to avoid an

1528
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 2: even worse map, maybe a thirteen to two or even

1529
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,600
Speaker 2: a fourteen to one. And there is an argument that

1530
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 2: is being made that at least two of the seats

1531
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 2: are still competitive, one of them being Cincinnati's representative. What

1532
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 2: are the chances that Greg Landsman is able to stay

1533
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 2: in Washington for another two years.

1534
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 5: Well, I think you're right in everything you just said

1535
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 5: in terms of the map obviously shifted things toward Republicans,

1536
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:30,600
Speaker 5: and you're right that ultimately the Registricting Commission, you know,

1537
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 5: Democrats went along with it, but you know, I think

1538
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:36,720
Speaker 5: it was one of those you know, like what going

1539
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 5: along with an offer from the Godfather? You know, what

1540
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 5: choice did you really have? But the difficulty for Republicans

1541
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:46,640
Speaker 5: and one, you know, for example, in Cincinnati, you know

1542
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 5: this is you know, a strong Democratic base city. And

1543
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 5: so obviously what they did was they paired Cincinnati with

1544
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 5: Warren County, Clinton County to try and make this into

1545
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 5: a republic district, try and counteract Cincinnati. But two problems. One,

1546
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 5: it's hard to be incumbent. Incumbent run with an awful

1547
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 5: lot of institutional strength, you know, fundraising advantages and you know,

1548
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:16,759
Speaker 5: the experience and the professionalization of their campaigns. And then two,

1549
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 5: it's just not chap enough to be a great year

1550
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 5: for Republicans. So they've tweaked this to make this seat winnable,

1551
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 5: but it would need to be a regular year for

1552
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 5: it to be winnable. And so you have a combination

1553
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 5: of an incumbent in a year that looks good for Democrats,

1554
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,759
Speaker 5: and the tweaking of the first district really didn't accomplish

1555
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 5: anything at all for Republicans.

1556
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 2: Right now, with that being said, what should the messaging

1557
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 2: be for Republicans during the campaign process? You know this

1558
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 2: this spring and summer, you you have right now. You

1559
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 2: know the top ten percent of the country amassing fifty

1560
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 2: percent of the spending. Gas and eggs are down, but

1561
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 2: you know other prices are still high. The president's tariff

1562
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 2: policies are costing the average American household over one thousand

1563
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 2: dollars a year right now. Health insurance was allowed to

1564
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 2: skyrocket for millions of Obamacare enrollees. And then there's everything

1565
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 2: that's happening with immigration enforcement in the country and the

1566
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 2: deaths of two American citizens by ICE agents in Minnesota.

1567
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 2: Attorney General Pam Bondi maybe in some hot water after

1568
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 2: her testimony this week. How big of a risk is

1569
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 2: it to run on simply backing Donald Trump and his

1570
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 2: policies this year, especially in those races that are going

1571
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 2: to be more of a toss up.

1572
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 5: Well, you lay that list out there like that, and

1573
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 5: it sounds like aside from mattmissus Lincoln, how did you

1574
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 5: enjoy the play?

1575
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 2: And I'm just lifting and I'm just listing facts, like

1576
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 2: I'm really trying to tightrope this because I know I

1577
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 2: do the news. I'm just laying stuff out how it

1578
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 2: actually is right now.

1579
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 5: This is a very very difficult atmosphere. And you know,

1580
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 5: as you mentioned earlier, the things that Republicans counted on

1581
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 5: as their strength of position right now to be liability.

1582
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 5: So then so then what is the strength? What is

1583
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 5: you know, what is what is the possible message? This

1584
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 5: is really really difficult. And my answer to you, I

1585
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 5: was trying to survive in this Congress as a Republican.

1586
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 5: It would be to begin to put some distance between

1587
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 5: myself and Trump. But the average Republican is absolutely you know,

1588
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 5: that's a non negotiable, that's a non starter. So you know,

1589
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 5: if you're talking about what's messaging, messaging has to be

1590
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 5: I'm fighting for the folks back home and putting a

1591
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 5: little distance between myself and Trump. But practical reality, you know,

1592
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 5: there's not very many Thomas Matthews out there who were

1593
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 5: willing to step out of line and say, you know,

1594
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 5: Republicans were willing to say Trump is wrong about anything.

1595
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 5: And typically when Republicans start doing that, and we thought

1596
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 5: that with Marjarie Taylor Green, for example, they're out of

1597
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 5: the Congress, you know, either you know, by by choice

1598
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 5: or by four So that's the real mind. They have

1599
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 5: so tightly cemented their relationship with Trump, which is really

1600
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 5: historically and anominaly. You know, if you chose any other

1601
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 5: president of any other era to see a lot more

1602
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 5: space between where some of their party's members of Congress

1603
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 5: were and where the president was.

1604
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 2: I got one last quick one here for you. We

1605
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 2: got about a minute left. You got the Ohio governor's

1606
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 2: race going to be very interesting to watch. A ton

1607
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 2: of money being spent here, perhaps a record amount for

1608
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 2: the Buckeye State. Former health director doctor Amy Actin, she

1609
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 2: appears to feel very strongly about her chances against former

1610
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:39,680
Speaker 2: presidential candidate by Big Ramaswami. There are a lot of

1611
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 2: people who believe that he kind of already has this

1612
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 2: thing in the bag.

1613
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: Does he shall?

1614
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 5: Short answer, Republicans have won thirty five out of the

1615
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:52,639
Speaker 5: last thirty six statewide races, So you like your chances

1616
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 5: running as a Republican statewide in Ohio. But this is

1617
01:19:56,600 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 5: not a great year, and it is not their traditional candidate.

1618
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 5: I mean they've gone to the well many many times

1619
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 5: from sort of central casting Ohio Republican Party, you know, headquarters.

1620
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 5: This is a little bit different. Roni Swami puts his

1621
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:14,759
Speaker 5: foot in his mouth, you know, from time to time,

1622
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 5: isn't necessarily you know, kind of the traditional messenger here.

1623
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 5: So for Democrats, their first goal is just to find

1624
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 5: a competitive rate, and I think they're heading in that direction.

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01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 2: David Nevin, University of Cincinnati political science professor. Hopefully we

1626
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 2: get a chance to talk again soon if I'm back

1627
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 2: on the air. Thank you so much for your time.

1628
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, my pleasure.

1629
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 2: Certainly going to be interesting to see how things shake

1630
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 2: out over the next few months. Of course, did get

1631
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 2: a very positive report on inflation this week, so maybe

1632
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 2: that will help. A lot can change, a lot can

1633
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 2: happen between now and this coming November. Sticking around in

1634
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 2: Washington right now, there is a piece of legislation that's

1635
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 2: being discussed that could potentially cap interest rates for credit cards.

1636
01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 2: Sounds like a good idea, but is it. We'll dive

1637
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 2: into that next Rich Chino here on the hum of

1638
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 2: the Red seven hundred WLW clock and then Donna d

1639
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 2: will come in to take you to midnight. You are

1640
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 2: very likely feeling this firsthand right now, Ohio wins are

1641
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 2: grappling with some record high credit card debt right now.

1642
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 2: An average of roughly sixty three one hundred dollars per

1643
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,599
Speaker 2: household credit card debt across America right now is above

1644
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:26,680
Speaker 2: a trillion dollars. That's with a tr They're trillion. And

1645
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 2: there is a debate going on right now over whether

1646
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 2: there should be a government mandated ten percent interest rate cap. Now,

1647
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 2: that sounds pretty good to me. That's a roughly eight

1648
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:38,799
Speaker 2: percent drop from the cards I have in my wallet

1649
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:41,600
Speaker 2: right now. But Kerrie Sheffield, senior policy analyst at the

1650
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 2: Independent Winden Excuse the Independent Women's Forum, easy for me

1651
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:47,799
Speaker 2: to say, says, hold on, pump the brakes. A flat

1652
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 2: cap may not be the best thing, Carrie. It's good

1653
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 2: to chat with you. Welcome to seven hundred WLW.

1654
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 6: How are you hey, I'm great, Thanks for having.

1655
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 2: Me, Yeah, no problem. So again here a rate cap

1656
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 2: sounds great on paper, but like there is with a

1657
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 2: great deal of things in life, that would that would

1658
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 2: be some risk for about five million people across Ohio.

1659
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:09,559
Speaker 2: What's the big downside of this?

1660
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, it really sounds good on paper, and I think

1661
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 6: it's really important in life to look out outcomes instead

1662
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 6: of just intentions. You know, people could have the best

1663
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 6: of intentions, and they say the road to hell is

1664
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 6: paved with good intentions. And when you look at the

1665
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:31,719
Speaker 6: intention of capping credit card interest rates at ten percent,

1666
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 6: it makes sense. It sounds like it's just but in practice,

1667
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 6: the outcome is hurtful because it ends up the banks

1668
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 6: and the lenders and the people who are providing the

1669
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 6: credit cards. A lot of them have to either go

1670
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 6: out of business or they restrict who can then get

1671
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 6: the credit cards. And so we've seen this actually proposed

1672
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 6: in states, and in some states they've actually tried this,

1673
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 6: and so this isn't happening. The federal proposal to make

1674
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 6: it a nationwide thing by the US Congress, it basically

1675
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 6: would nationalize a policy that we see failing at the

1676
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:14,520
Speaker 6: state level. One example is in the state of Illinois,

1677
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 6: which is a neighbor to Ohio, that they tried capping

1678
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 6: the interest rates and what they saw was that credit

1679
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 6: dried up for a lot of people. A lot of

1680
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 6: people lost access to their credit cards because there just

1681
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:33,839
Speaker 6: wasn't enough ability for the companies to offer the cards anymore.

1682
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 1: The other thing is.

1683
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 6: People who get their credits canceled, they tend to be

1684
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 6: on the lower end of the credit score spectrum. Don't

1685
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 6: think that if you have a great credit score, which

1686
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 6: is seven or above, those are called super prime cardholders.

1687
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:54,600
Speaker 6: Don't think that you're immune because you will see your benefits,

1688
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 6: your rewards, your hotel points, your airlines points, those are

1689
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 6: going to take a hit. You're also going to see

1690
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:01,599
Speaker 6: an increase in fees.

1691
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 2: I guess my question is why all of that that

1692
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:08,759
Speaker 2: trickled down that at that situation, because you would think

1693
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:10,760
Speaker 2: with the amount of interest that a lot of these

1694
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 2: credit card companies are bringing in already, which is an

1695
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 2: exorbitantly high amount, you know, they would be able to

1696
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 2: shoulder the cost of that coming down even though we're

1697
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:22,639
Speaker 2: talking about a pretty large cap here. Though.

1698
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, and the thing is, yes, some of that

1699
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 6: would be absorbed because ultimately we see, ultimately an interest

1700
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 6: rate cap is a type of price control. And so

1701
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,639
Speaker 6: again this doesn't happen. Price controls haven't just magically come

1702
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 6: out of nowhere. We see it in other sectors and

1703
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 6: other products, things that are more tangible as opposed to

1704
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 6: credit cards, which in the line of credit, when you

1705
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 6: have price controls, what ends up happening is that, yes,

1706
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 6: the company does absorb some of the costs, but then

1707
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 6: the cost is also and the split will change. Sometimes

1708
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 6: it's seventy thirty, sometimes it's sixty forty, not precise. It

1709
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:05,480
Speaker 6: really depends on the market. But the costs are absorbed

1710
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 6: by both the company and the consumer. And so again,

1711
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 6: when you're saying a ten percent interest rate cap, it

1712
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 6: might sound like, oh, this is going to help consumers,

1713
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Speaker 6: but it's the law of undetended consequences. And there's been

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01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 6: a study about this Senate proposal from Senators Josh Holly

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01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 6: and Bernie Sanders that if this percent credit card interest

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Speaker 6: rate cap is inactive, between seventy three and eighty five

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01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 6: percent of open credit card accounts in Ohio would either

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01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 6: be closed or have their credit lines drastically reduced. And

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01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 6: so that means that up to five point five million

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01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:46,560
Speaker 6: credit card users in the state of Ohio would be

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01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,560
Speaker 6: a negative impact on their ability to access credit.

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Speaker 2: And obviously that would have a huge domino effect on

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01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:53,759
Speaker 2: the state's economy.

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01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:54,599
Speaker 1: Exactly.

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Speaker 6: That's a great point. It is a ripple effect of

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01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 6: being able to per just fewer big ticket items, you know.

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01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 6: I know, for me, I once bought a trip to

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01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 6: Antarctica because I had this goal to go to every

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01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 6: continent before I turned thirty. I turned thirty, I was

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01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 6: able to do it. Antarctica was my second to last continent.

1731
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 6: Australia was my last turn thirty in Australia. I basically

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01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 6: put that Antarctica trip on a credit card. I paid

1733
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 6: it down, I got a special term where it was

1734
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 6: it was actually a zero interest because I had a

1735
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 6: great credit history with them. But even if it wasn't,

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Speaker 6: the fact that I have the ability to have a

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01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:36,760
Speaker 6: big ticket loan to take this trip, there's a good

1738
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 6: chance with an interest rate cap like that mandated that

1739
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 6: this trip never would have happened. And that would have

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01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:46,759
Speaker 6: had a ripple effect on the boat operators, the people

1741
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 6: serving us on the boat.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:49,919
Speaker 6: It constricts everything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not even just the taking a big

1745
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 2: trip like that. I mean, you have so many people who,

1746
01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 2: you know, if they want to go out for Valentine's Day,

1747
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:01,719
Speaker 2: like so many are doing this eve, you know, chances

1748
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 2: are if you're going out to a place like you know,

1749
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 2: Jeff Ruby's are a really nice place, and the bill

1750
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 2: is going to be end up somewhere around you know,

1751
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty or two hundred dollars, you're putting

1752
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 2: that on a credit card. And if you don't have

1753
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 2: a credit card, chances are you're not going to be

1754
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 2: going out and doing that. So this would potentially hit

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01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:18,560
Speaker 2: on a lot of different.

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01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 6: Levels exactly, from small to mediums a big. It has

1757
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 6: ripple effects across the board. There's a great economists blog

1758
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:31,719
Speaker 6: that I love to read called Marginal Revolution, and despite

1759
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 6: an economics professor, it's Works Making University, and he has

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01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 6: the name of this flog because he says that the

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01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:40,599
Speaker 6: revolutions that really happens on the margin, it happens in

1762
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 6: those those small erosions, those small ripple effects that created

1763
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 6: domino effects. That's what happens when you have things like

1764
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 6: a credit card interest ratecap.

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Speaker 2: So you said that this has been put into effect

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Speaker 2: already in Illinois, and I believe Oregon is another state.

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Speaker 2: How big of the ripple effect has there been in

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01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,600
Speaker 2: those states? How many people are being negatively impacted by that?

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Speaker 6: Well, it's interesting. Uh, there was a study done in

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01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 6: Illinois and I wrote a piece about this that that

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01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 6: if folks really want to get uh the fits of this,

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01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 6: you can you can look up that piece I wrote

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01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 6: up for Real Clear Policy, and uh, basically I talked

1774
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 6: about a study that the Subtle Reserve did after this

1775
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 6: rate cap happened. And the study was was structured through

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01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 6: it was a natural experiment because in Illinois they had

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01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:36,680
Speaker 6: their rate caap bill, but in Missouri they did not,

1778
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 6: and so their neighbors and so they could check to see, uh,

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01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:43,720
Speaker 6: you know what was what was the consumer responses and

1780
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 6: the and the business responses to this rate cap. I'll

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01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 6: point out it was actually it was not a ten

1782
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:52,640
Speaker 6: percent racap. It was actually a different rate cap. It

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01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 6: was actually a thirty six percent rate cap. So because

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01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 6: you have different aprs for different people in different profiles,

1785
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 6: but regardless, it's the same principles. It's the laws of economics,

1786
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 6: so chained. If it's thirty six or twenty five or

1787
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 6: ten or fifteen whatever the rates cap, again, there are

1788
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:11,680
Speaker 6: going to be domino effects on this. And so what

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01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 6: they found was that they surveyed and they studied the

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01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 6: respondents using you know they worked with academics, so it

1791
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 6: was all using the specifically robust models. They found that

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01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 6: only eleven percent of the people said that following this

1793
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 6: change that their financial well being improved, and seventy nine

1794
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:37,640
Speaker 6: percent said they wanted to return to the way that

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01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 6: it was before, so they had. They also found that

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01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 6: the interest rates have decreased the number of loans to

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01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 6: SubTime borrowers by forty four percent and increase the average

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01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 6: loan side to subind borrowers by forty percent. So basically

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Speaker 6: it means that fewer people were able to take out

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Speaker 6: figger loans and so this is basically concentrating credit and

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01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 6: you know, creating more headache for families because you have

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01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 6: fewer people being able to take out loans. It's a

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Speaker 6: reduction of forty four percent.

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Speaker 2: Terry Sheffield is the senior policy analyst at the Independent

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01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 2: Women's Forum. We're discussing this ten percent interest rate cap

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01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 2: that is currently being debated in Washington right now. How

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01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 2: could this affect specifically first time borrowers who are who

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01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:27,679
Speaker 2: are just really trying to earn a credit score period

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01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 2: and they're trying to build themselves up.

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Speaker 6: Well exactly, that's that's the other untold story about this

1811
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:37,640
Speaker 6: is that people who are on the lower end of

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01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 6: the economic scale, the so called subprime borrowers, people who

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01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:46,520
Speaker 6: have a worse credit for people who are underbanked or unbanked,

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01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 6: so not in the financial system. If you're trying to

1815
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 6: get a step up on that ladder and just step

1816
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:55,719
Speaker 6: on the lowest rung of that ladder, this is basically

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01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 6: going to shave off the bottom of that ladder. That

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01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:02,519
Speaker 6: bottom steps and you'll you'll see more people being driven

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01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:06,719
Speaker 6: into loan sharks, being driven into pawn shops, being driven

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01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:09,679
Speaker 6: into financial products that are actually a lot more risky

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01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 6: than a credit card.

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Speaker 2: So what is the likelihood that anything like this policy?

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Speaker 2: I would venture to guess, the way that Washington is

1824
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 2: currently constructed, this is probably not going to get through

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01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 2: this year. I would be stuned. We'll see, but maybe

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01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 2: after the twenty twenty six midterms that changes. What do

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01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:31,639
Speaker 2: you think the likelihood is that something like this does

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01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 2: ultimately get put into effect.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think it's tough to get Capitol Hill to

1830
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:39,559
Speaker 6: bite on this. I know there are some people on

1831
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 6: the Republican side who are starting to be interested in this.

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01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 6: I do think there are enough people who are really concerned,

1833
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 6: like I said, about outcomes as opposed to just intentions,

1834
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 6: and I think what would be more effective, and again

1835
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 6: this is driven by the data. If you keep doing

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01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 6: what the Trump Admnstration is doing, all these wonderful things

1837
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:06,760
Speaker 6: about for example, removing the so called Green New Deal regulations,

1838
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 6: I mean it was it was landmark what the Trump

1839
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 6: administration did this week. They removed this an ownerous standard

1840
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:22,280
Speaker 6: about greenhouse gases and the the basically causing energy prices

1841
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:24,360
Speaker 6: to be much higher than they need to be. And

1842
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 6: this is throughout his second term, the Trump administration has

1843
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 6: been able to deshackle and this is why we just

1844
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:35,919
Speaker 6: had an inflation report this week showing that inflation continues

1845
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 6: to drop and a big part of that does dropped

1846
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 6: in energy prices and gasoline prices. And so you're going

1847
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 6: to continue to see this by appealing to the better

1848
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 6: angels of the nature economically speaking. Another thing that's great

1849
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 6: that the Trump administration is doing is last year there

1850
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:56,679
Speaker 6: was an executive order from President Trump and it said

1851
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:59,440
Speaker 6: that if you wanted to put in one new regulation

1852
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 6: in the funeral register, you had to repeal ten. So

1853
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 6: is a ten to one ratio and that sort of

1854
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:11,960
Speaker 6: deregulation has unleashed incredibly strong economic growth. It's in the

1855
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 6: third quarter, in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty five.

1856
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Speaker 2: Inflation is coming down. It was a good report on

1857
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:20,559
Speaker 2: Friday as well, but there's still you know, hopefully things

1858
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:22,640
Speaker 2: continue to trend in that direction and get better. But

1859
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 2: the cost of living is still very high for many

1860
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:28,640
Speaker 2: right now, even two income households are relying more and

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01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:31,519
Speaker 2: more on credit cards to for sure simple things like

1862
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 2: putting food on the table, especially once you add in,

1863
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 2: you know, high prices of rag utilities, childcare. I can

1864
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 2: personally attest to that. How much out of control that

1865
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 2: is right now? Maybe they're only able to afford, you know,

1866
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:46,360
Speaker 2: close to the minimum payment on a credit card, and

1867
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:48,360
Speaker 2: a good chunk of that is going toward interest rate.

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01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:51,880
Speaker 2: Those people likely getting closer and closer to their limits

1869
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:53,720
Speaker 2: on those credit cards that they haven't already. What is

1870
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 2: the best thing that they can do right now to avoid,

1871
01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:59,719
Speaker 2: you know, like a disaster situation. If those credit cards

1872
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:03,439
Speaker 2: are they're seeing those their their debt just continue to climb.

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01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:06,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, my heart goes out to them. I mean,

1874
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 6: I'm saying this is someone who I grew up in

1875
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 6: a families that we spent time on welfare. My dad

1876
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 6: would sometimes on his watch and his ring in order

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01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 6: to feed us. I have seven biological siblings, all eight

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01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 6: of us eight kids, plus our parents. Ten people put

1879
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:28,280
Speaker 6: food on the table. So my heart goes out to them.

1880
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 6: I understand what that feels like to taste poverty. And

1881
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 6: I think, as someone who has been able to stabilize

1882
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:40,760
Speaker 6: and build a successful financial foundation for myself, was that

1883
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 6: I didn't lose hope. That's the most important thing. And

1884
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:49,720
Speaker 6: I think also, I mean, it sounds so basic that

1885
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:53,320
Speaker 6: the living below your means. And I say this again

1886
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:55,680
Speaker 6: as someone who I have moved multiple times, if that

1887
01:34:55,720 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 6: means downsizing your lifestyle, if that means h you know,

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01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 6: I haven't owned a car since twenty eleven, If that

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01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:04,880
Speaker 6: means I'm not saying I'm not saying you must sell

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01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:07,760
Speaker 6: your car, but if you can downsize your car, if

1891
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:11,200
Speaker 6: there are ways that you can downsize your life in

1892
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:14,200
Speaker 6: order to live below your means, you will always find

1893
01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:14,719
Speaker 6: a way.

1894
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 2: Out of this.

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01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 6: And so I also have seen as someone with a

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01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:24,799
Speaker 6: family who has many mentally ill family members that addiction

1897
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:28,920
Speaker 6: getting into debt. They are very highly correlated. So just

1898
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:33,160
Speaker 6: understanding and checking myself and my behavior and my spending habits.

1899
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 6: Spending is the dopamine rewards of going out and shopping.

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01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 6: It is the same as going out and gambling or

1901
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:42,799
Speaker 6: being addicted to some other substance like drugs or alcohol.

1902
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 6: It's the same brain patterns. So this is getting very psychological.

1903
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 6: But I think really taking honest questions on honest flips

1904
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:53,800
Speaker 6: at ourselves, that's how we pull ourselves.

1905
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 2: Out of this arrishaffield. Thank you so much for your time.

1906
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:57,880
Speaker 2: Where can people find your work if they want to

1907
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:00,680
Speaker 2: find out more on you know, this ctional credit card

1908
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 2: cap and what.

1909
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:02,639
Speaker 1: That could mean for them.

1910
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:05,479
Speaker 6: Sure, Like I said, I wrote an essay for Real

1911
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:08,679
Speaker 6: Clear Policy. The headline is called how Illinois is Harming

1912
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:11,080
Speaker 6: the unbanked? Came out a few years ago. But folks

1913
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:14,360
Speaker 6: can also go to Independentwomen dot com and check out

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01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 6: our content there. I'm Kerrie Stephil dot com. You can

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01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:22,080
Speaker 6: research credit card interest rate caps at IWS as well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Enjoy the rest of your night.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Gobla.

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Speaker 2: All right there you go. Going to be interesting to

1919
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 2: see what ultimately happens with that proposal, whether it goes

1920
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 2: anywhere or not. I'm entirely sure. I buy into the

1921
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:39,639
Speaker 2: live within your means argument as a way to curb

1922
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 2: credit card spending. I wish I had some more time

1923
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:44,680
Speaker 2: to talk about that, but I'm getting close to the

1924
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 2: top of the hour news here. I'd wager a pretty

1925
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:51,360
Speaker 2: big reason why the US has a mass so much

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Speaker 2: credit card debt right now again over a trillion dollars

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Speaker 2: collectively across the country is you've got so many people

1928
01:36:56,880 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 2: cannot afford the essentials, families, for sure, especially those with

1929
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Speaker 2: young kids. I can only speak for myself, you know,

1930
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Speaker 2: I have two full time gigs. My wife works full time.

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Speaker 2: I do other side projects as well, and it's still

1932
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Speaker 2: hard some weeks, sometimes months, largely due to the cost

1933
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Speaker 2: of childcare, and then there's the cost of food on

1934
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Speaker 2: top of that. You know, I'm still using my credit

1935
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Speaker 2: cards constantly for the essentials, and I really do consider

1936
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Speaker 2: myself very fortunate to be in the situation I'm still

1937
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Speaker 2: in right now. I've worked very hard to get here,

1938
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Speaker 2: but I know that there are people out there who

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Speaker 2: work just as hard, if not harder, who are struggling

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Speaker 2: more than I am right now. So hopefully the cost

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Speaker 2: of Living starts coming back down to earth here a

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Speaker 2: bit over the next few weeks and months. I am

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Speaker 2: out of time. Thanks to Jeff Carr, James Rapeine, Paul Fritchner,

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Speaker 2: and David Niven for joining the show as well. If

1945
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Speaker 2: you missed any of my conversations tonight, they should be

1946
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Speaker 2: available soon on the seven hundred WLW podcast page, as

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Speaker 2: well as the iHeartRadio app. Dot a d is next

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Speaker 2: here on the Home of the Red seven hundred WLW