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Speaker 1: On a football Friday, very much looking forward to that.

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Speaker 2: We'll also have Nate Jackson in studio, which we enjoyed

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Speaker 2: doing on a Friday as well. Getting ready for Broncos

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Speaker 1: Should be a really entertaining game. We got Thursday night

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Speaker 2: And Steelers before we get into sort of the AFC

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Speaker 2: and actually the Steelers kind of tie into this conversation anyways,

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Speaker 2: but before we get into that, what's your thoughts kind

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Speaker 2: because of where the Bengals are at.

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Speaker 1: They looked better.

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Speaker 2: I guess ostensibly the bar was pretty low on offense

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I think we all probably favorite Pittsburgh

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Speaker 3: they're reeling a little bit. I you know, if they

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Speaker 1: This could be the beginning of the end for Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 3: And you know, there's a name that would be right

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Speaker 1: If and when replacing Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 3: They would want a defensive minded coach to rebuild that defense,

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Speaker 3: and Vance Joseph Fans has familiarity there at Cincinnati. In fact,

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Speaker 3: the day when he was an assistant coach they did

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Speaker 3: thing here. You know, Advance would be a perfect fit.

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Speaker 3: And I think Broncos fans, you know, you got to

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Speaker 3: I rooting for the two third round picks I get

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Speaker 3: here and continue to run this defense? You know, I

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Speaker 3: I think that's the one that's being eyeballed. If the

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Speaker 1: Move on from Zach Taylor. I mean, I like that plan.

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Speaker 2: I think some people would say, well, why don't you

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Speaker 2: just keep investing in the offense. But the defense was

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Speaker 2: It's one thing to go into the season with the expectation, Okay,

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Speaker 2: we're having a lead offense and defense. Just do what

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Speaker 1: Oh that's that's what I'm getting at.

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Speaker 3: Loumo up there in Indianapolis has has that defense humming. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati's gave it up to the second most points in

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Speaker 3: So imagine being the same offense as the Raiders, but

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Speaker 3: The Bengals are eighty points underwater. They're They're just not

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Speaker 3: I think you had the opportunity there. You didn't build

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Speaker 1: Do you do any of these particularly stand out to

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Speaker 2: You're still here listening, Ben, the mile high mood killer, alright,

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Speaker 3: And then the other part of this you're still listening.

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Speaker 3: I win both ways, been fourth and wrong? Albright?

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Speaker 3: Rain cloud Albright. If I had a dollar for every

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Speaker 3: those are just kind of generic, though some of those

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Speaker 3: I said, I don't even know what Ben would be like.

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Speaker 3: I've known him for a better part of a decade.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know you'd be like without without the haters. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Whatever the line.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, remind us all your coaching experience, what your coaching

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Speaker 2: It's when you have a game when points are needed,

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Speaker 3: And again I just chove Marty Schottenheimer right back in

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Speaker 1: You don't have to be always aggressive.

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Speaker 3: But if their offense isn't going to do anything anyway,

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Speaker 3: If you don't think their offense is going to score,

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Speaker 1: And then at that point you don't have to worry

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Speaker 2: Know what point when you're trailing in the third quarter

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Speaker 1: That that's one of those that didn't do the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: Go back and look at that play. Everybody's doing something

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Speaker 3: I mean that's that's very obviously a pass pro move.

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Speaker 1: But it's actually the opposite of that.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you've got it, if you got an

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Speaker 2: You got You've got no risk they can't score. I

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Speaker 2: X Sigers is producing today. Does a wonderful job young seekers. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he asked me a question, all right, he said, who

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Speaker 2: So it snapshot of the AFC right now. And this

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Speaker 1: They're gonna be the best teams to represent this conference.

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Speaker 3: I think they're like fourth. I think in points allowed

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Speaker 1: I think once they get that figured out, they'll be back.

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Speaker 1: The Texans. They started off slow, but they look like

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Speaker 1: they're picking up steam a little bit here. We'll see. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think that's just kind of evidence, is the point though,

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Speaker 2: I'm completely with you, and it would be an interesting

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Speaker 3: And I think the AFC picture is pretty clear though,

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Speaker 3: Eve when they get Lamar back, they're gonna be in dogfights. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying we're concerned about this weekend. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: That there's a there's a lot of movement that could

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Speaker 2: Going to stay there. They're they're obviously going to continue

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Speaker 1: That was that was that was in Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: So that means pretty much Jacksonville, Yeah, I mean would

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that had to be the case. And they have

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Speaker 2: That might be the circle game. As we're looking ahead

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Speaker 3: Then that could be a huge problem. It is, and

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Speaker 1: But itway was the thought that you guys can chime

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you disagree with any of our sentiments

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Speaker 1: We were a third way through the season.

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Speaker 1: The Broncos. Remember a couple of years.

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Speaker 2: And I'd be like, what if what if, of course

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Speaker 1: Get some some turnoers.

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Speaker 2: Five six, six, nine zeros are kay commas speral text one,

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I asked people to chime in on nickname.

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Speaker 1: Sure, Ben.

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Speaker 2: Hilarious, hilarious, Yeah, God, I can't even I can't even

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Speaker 1: Ben's forecast doom and a chance of frown.

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Speaker 2: Every fan smile slowly drowns Ben fun killer Albright, wet

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Speaker 2: and absurd. Even the scoreboard can't be hurt. We're rhyving now. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in mile high skies. He lurks with gloom. A

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Speaker 3: saggy blanket fills the room. He boos the Broncos scores

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Speaker 3: each play and scares the sunshine far away. Sean Payton smiles,

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Speaker 3: shakes his head. Not today, is all he said. Optimism

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Speaker 3: But yes, I feel like some chat GBT might be

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 2: I'm not accusing you, but I'm saying it's a lot

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm not sure CHATCHBT is getting there. I

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Speaker 1: Okay, good for him, Casey Bin.

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Speaker 2: For the AFC, they just crush the Lions and they

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Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but the Chiefs.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: Like you could watch that game and you're like, man,

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Speaker 3: There's no, no, they're really controversy on like one play

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Speaker 2: They're not supposed to be able to do.

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Speaker 1: maybe you could go on that one. That's as blatant

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Speaker 1: Seen in my life. I saw that name. Don't of

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Speaker 1: all things, don't retweet that one like there. If we

437
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Speaker 1: have problems with Kansas, say do let's.

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Speaker 3: Do real stuff, not imaginary stats made up by some

439
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Speaker 3: weirdo that doesn't know how to do basic math.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm a weirdo that doesn't know how to do

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Speaker 1: basic math most of the time.

442
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Speaker 3: Apparently the education system that Texas el Passo doesn't either.

443
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Speaker 2: The Chiefs won that game, and I'm not trying to

444
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Speaker 2: take it away from them, but I can see where

445
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Speaker 2: some of the gripe is. First of all, if is

446
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Speaker 2: true from Dan Campbell.

447
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Speaker 3: That if you were true, I would be all over

448
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Speaker 3: lamb basting that official crew. But until somebody you know

449
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Speaker 3: that is in the no says that.

450
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Speaker 2: That's another thing just on the side the ref in

451
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Speaker 2: the booths or the one they check in with. If

452
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Speaker 2: you're just going to be there to agree with either

453
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Speaker 2: the people in the booth or whatever calls on the field,

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Speaker 2: then what are we doing?

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Speaker 1: Why do we need you?

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Speaker 3: Some of these officiating experts they have on some of

457
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Speaker 3: these broadcasts are not pretty good, very bad.

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Speaker 1: Librariy is very good. Mi Prariyer is very good.

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Speaker 3: Whatever you think of whatever he says, I promise you

460
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Speaker 3: that man knows the rule book front back.

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Speaker 1: Some of these guys don't even know the rule book,

462
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Speaker 1: you know. And I get there's times where I'm like, oh,

463
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Speaker 1: I didn't know that, But I'm me.

464
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Speaker 3: If you're a former official or you're the rules expert

465
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Speaker 3: on a TV broadcast, you better know the better know

466
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Speaker 3: the rule book.

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Speaker 2: Well, so we'll see Dan Campbell's accusing the rests of

468
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Speaker 2: New York of calling in and checking in with.

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Speaker 1: The rock that went backward least. Okay, all right, we'll

470
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Speaker 1: see I've been wrong before.

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Speaker 2: But if that ends up being the case that that's

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Speaker 2: some pretty scary president.

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Speaker 1: You cannot do that.

474
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the text line Johan Taylor lines up illegally every play.

475
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Speaker 3: Let's be real, like, yeah he does. I've been all

476
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Speaker 3: over calling that you could. There are tweets out there

477
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Speaker 3: for years about me being like, are they ever going

478
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Speaker 3: to call this?

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Speaker 1: Call it every play until he cleans it up? Zero penalties? Dude,

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Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 3: I get the frustrated, But the end of the day,

482
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Speaker 3: I'm looking at the product on the field and one

483
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Speaker 3: team was better than the other.

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Speaker 1: Refs or not. Okay, one more text here. I agree

485
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Speaker 1: early you should look.

486
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Speaker 2: To put them away, but the fumble at the points

487
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Speaker 2: the fumble led to points for the Jets. An interception

488
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Speaker 2: in an eleven to ten game would have been really detrimental.

489
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Speaker 2: So you ride your d figuring they get you the

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Speaker 2: turnover or the better field position.

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Speaker 1: But you didn't.

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Speaker 3: But see it, wouldn't you punted the ball anyway? Eleven

493
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Speaker 3: to ten, you punt it. That's the same thing as

494
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Speaker 3: a deep interception. It's all the same thing you gave

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Speaker 3: the opponent back to football again.

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Speaker 2: Practical terms, well, I think you'd be aggressive without taking

497
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Speaker 2: downfield shots necessarily like guess as a way to be

498
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Speaker 2: aggressive without like, hey, fifty yard.

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Speaker 3: Bombs, and that's what I'm really drawing up. Don't put

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Speaker 3: yourself at risk for a turnover. But you can find

501
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Speaker 3: ways to be aggressive and move the football, get down

502
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Speaker 3: or play with some tempo.

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Speaker 1: Do some things to you know, put that defense on it.

504
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Speaker 1: You don't have to run it up.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to do what you did to the

506
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Speaker 3: Kansas City's backups last year, you know, and put whatever

507
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Speaker 3: it was points on the board.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to do that.

509
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Speaker 3: Get out there, you get a lead, get a two

510
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,399
Speaker 3: score lead, get any lead, and play from ahead and

511
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Speaker 3: not behind.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll come back.

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Speaker 2: This hour's chance to one thousand dollars coming over the

514
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Speaker 2: next five minutes. Thanks to Mercedes Bens with Littleton Mercedes

515
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Speaker 2: of Littleton dot com, we get some more Jonathan Cooper's

516
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Speaker 2: how I do want to get to the one sound

517
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Speaker 2: bites about Jackson Dart is getting all the headlines, but

518
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Speaker 2: he actually had some more stuff to say about Dart

519
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Speaker 2: that I think is important.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to it next opportunity to that. We got

521
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Speaker 1: some more baseball. What's going on here?

522
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,760
Speaker 3: Three hours of how justin Fields is going to lead

523
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Speaker 3: the jet to their first win this week, right guess yep?

524
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Speaker 1: Seven touchdowns Fields Country tonight.

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Speaker 2: Well there's you know, there's betting online, and I mean

526
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Speaker 2: you've done the same thing that I have no clue

527
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Speaker 2: what you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: That would never use this arrow, these entrusted to me

529
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Speaker 3: airways to sit here and shill a vendetta.

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Speaker 1: For I can't.

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Speaker 3: We can take you sorry, Oh my goodness, you know what.

532
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Speaker 1: There's people drive around listen. You should. We should also

533
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Speaker 1: put a PSA out there.

534
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Speaker 2: People should not operate heavy machinery or be driving listening

535
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Speaker 2: to whatever that was, because there's a single person that

536
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Speaker 2: bought even the first five seconds of whatever that just

537
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Speaker 2: doesn't even buy it.

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Speaker 3: As I was saying it, there's no way I can

539
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Speaker 3: convince myself that the Dodgers and Brewers are all tied

540
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Speaker 3: up at one.

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Speaker 2: This is obviously it must win for the Brewers or

542
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Speaker 2: else things can get really really ugly.

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Speaker 1: Got Mariner's Blue Jays tonight at six thirty.

544
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Speaker 2: I like the when we have two games on a night,

545
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Speaker 2: but then we also have Thursday night football, so it's

546
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Speaker 2: given me a lot of pause.

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Speaker 1: We had some college football too.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of attention around the sports world. I

549
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Speaker 2: want to play a little bit more from Jonathan Cooper

550
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Speaker 2: because he was we talked about the Jackson Dart SoundBite,

551
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Speaker 2: the one that's making the rounds, and he's followed up

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Speaker 2: with a question about facing rookie quarterbacks and if it's

553
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Speaker 2: difficult with Jackson Dart specifically because there's not a lot

554
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Speaker 2: of tape, there's only three games on him, and this

555
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Speaker 2: is what he said.

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Speaker 6: I would say no, not to that standpoint, just because

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Speaker 6: once you played enough in his league and you've seen

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Speaker 6: enough quarterbacks, you know, we play one of the best

559
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Speaker 6: quarterbacks twice a year, every single year. So once you

560
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Speaker 6: go against that, you kind of get a feel of

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Speaker 6: the game and you know, you know what you need

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Speaker 6: to do. You gotta make a feel uncomfortable in the pocket.

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Speaker 6: Can't let him get that confidence and that ego going.

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Speaker 6: So you know, you got to take care of that.

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Speaker 2: So when you combine the two, right, you combine what

566
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Speaker 2: he said about Jackson Dart and he was sort of

567
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Speaker 2: talking about the swagger stuff and the chain and the

568
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Speaker 2: dancing and everybody's got to have a sing and then

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Speaker 2: he said at the end of it something along the

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Speaker 2: lines of well, you know we faced mobile quarterbacks before,

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Speaker 2: and then.

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Speaker 1: You add in that sound bites.

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Speaker 2: I think it pays a more full picture on what

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Cooper thinks about Jackson Dart. It's not to say

575
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Speaker 2: that he doesn't respect Jackson Dart or they're not taking

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Speaker 2: this seriously. It's to say, we play high end quarterbacks

577
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Speaker 2: all the time, and every single guy seems to be mobile,

578
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Speaker 2: and we get to face Patrick Mahomes twice a year,

579
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Speaker 2: so we know what it's like to play a guy

580
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Speaker 2: that do things off schedule and and and make our

581
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Speaker 2: lives very difficult as edge rushers.

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Speaker 1: So it's not to say you don't respect Jackson Dart.

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Speaker 2: It's just like by comparison, it's you're not seeing anything

584
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Speaker 2: from him that you haven't already seen. And I think

585
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Speaker 2: that's more of what he's trying to get at.

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Speaker 1: In these days in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: It's more it's bigger news the quarterback isn't mobile, that's right,

588
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Speaker 3: you know. I mean like it's it's it's bigger news

589
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Speaker 3: that you're starting a Will Levis than it is you know,

590
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Speaker 3: or Joe.

591
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Speaker 1: Flacco than it is uh, somebody's mobile.

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Speaker 3: So that I think, yeah, I think that's the thing,

593
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Speaker 3: but not everybody's kind of caught up to that, especially.

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Speaker 1: Media when you know he's mobile, Well, they're all mobile,

595
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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, let's be honest here, Jackson Dart is mobile

597
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Speaker 3: in a different way, I think, certainly a different way

598
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Speaker 3: than the last two quarterbacks of Broncos in place. Jalen

599
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Speaker 3: Hurts and Justin Fields are are a little bit more

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Speaker 3: speed what I don't want to say finesse, but speed

601
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Speaker 3: finesse in their mobility, whereas Jackson Dart is more of

602
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Speaker 3: a sledgehammer, you know, in terms of that.

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Speaker 1: You know he's closer to and this is weird.

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Speaker 3: To invoke, so bear with me on this, but he's

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Speaker 3: closer to Cam than he is to Vic. If you

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Speaker 3: say mobility, you know what I mean, Like you're gonna

607
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Speaker 3: run veer with Jackson Dart, You're not gonna run speed

608
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Speaker 3: options to spread options to the outside. He's mobile, but

609
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Speaker 3: he's more of a powerful mobility than he is a

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Speaker 3: speed mobility.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonampleliarly agree with you on that. And I say

612
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Speaker 2: there's a little more design run and we didn't see it.

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Speaker 2: The Broncos didn't end up seeing with Justin Hurt or

614
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Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts. Usually with Jalen Hurts there are design runs

615
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Speaker 2: for him. He didn't really have any against The whole

616
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Speaker 2: game plan was dumb, weird, very very weird, so they

617
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Speaker 2: didn't have design runs versus the Broncos, and I felt

618
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Speaker 2: like you were sort of out smarting everybody, like, Oh,

619
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Speaker 2: we're you're expecting we're gonna run Jalen Hurts, but guess

620
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Speaker 2: what we're not. Hey, you're expecting we're gonna run Saquon Barkley,

621
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Speaker 2: But guess what, We're not gonna do that.

622
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Speaker 1: Either.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna throw the ball a lot in this game.

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Speaker 2: Not very efficiently, of course, mind you. We're just gonna

625
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Speaker 2: throw it a lot. Same thing with Justin Field's there's

626
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Speaker 2: designed runs because that's his strength. That's what you gotta

627
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Speaker 2: do with Justin Fields. You have to design part of

628
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Speaker 2: the attack with him as a runner. Jackson, there are

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Speaker 2: some designs, at least on the games I've seen. I've

630
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Speaker 2: only seen three games of Jackson Dark. There are some

631
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Speaker 2: design but that's not really their wheelhouse. It's more of like, Hey,

632
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Speaker 2: if your read's not there, go ahead and get something

633
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Speaker 2: for it.

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Speaker 1: And you're right.

635
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Speaker 2: His physicality in the run game is is sort of

636
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Speaker 2: more what you're paying attention to because he runs for

637
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Speaker 2: the contact, just like Cam Skottiboo. They're running for contact

638
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 2: and you got to be prepared for that, right. I mean,

639
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 2: he's not going to just go down on an arm tackle,

640
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: which again you know for a defensive player.

641
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Speaker 1: Okay, you know that going into this thing.

642
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Speaker 2: So but I guess, like I said, when when you

643
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Speaker 2: put into context everything he's saying there, I guess it

644
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Speaker 2: for me paints a little bit different picture than what

645
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Speaker 2: the original sound bite that went out there sounded like

646
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Speaker 2: he was taking a shot at Jackson Dark. I just

647
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Speaker 2: think that he doesn't do anything that the Broncos haven't

648
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Speaker 2: already seen and so they're okay, hey, you know he's

649
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Speaker 2: out there. People are excited about it. That's great, but

650
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Speaker 2: we have a really good game plan for him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's there are there are different types of mobility,

653
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Speaker 3: you know, And I think that's the other thing is

654
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Speaker 3: it's like there's sort of a lumped a lumped in

655
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Speaker 3: kind of thing about you know about mobility out there.

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Speaker 3: There's different types of mobility. Andie Dalton was fairly mobile.

657
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Speaker 3: Andie Dalton had twenty two touchdowns over the course of

658
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Speaker 3: his career, despite not having a rushing touchdowns, despite not

659
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Speaker 3: having a rushing touchdown last like six eight years of

660
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Speaker 3: his career. You know, there's different types of mobility in

661
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Speaker 3: terms of what what a quarterback is or can be.

662
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 3: Some guys are out there trying to buy time with

663
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Speaker 3: their legs and maybe they're not as prolific.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: Ben Roethlisberger kind of falls in that model, is kind

666
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Speaker 3: of a powerful you know.

667
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Speaker 1: So there's different not everybody. It's more news nowadays.

668
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Speaker 3: If a guy is like Eli Manning, then that if

669
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Speaker 3: he's not, you know, five six sixth nine zero is

670
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Speaker 3: a Kwa Comma Spirudel text line.

671
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Speaker 2: There was a couple of funny moments here Jonathan Cooper

672
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Speaker 2: talking about winning Defensive Player of the Week after Nick

673
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 2: Benito and it was again the first time in franchise

674
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Speaker 2: history that's happened to have back to back Defensive Player

675
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Speaker 2: of the Weeks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll just be him. I can't let him take

677
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Speaker 5: off on me like he is. Man You know, I

678
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 5: should be out there with sacks with him right now.

679
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 5: And but no, I think it's really cool. That's my

680
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 5: brother shout him out every time I get a chance to. Yeah,

681
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 5: he's one of the bestketball players I ever played with,

682
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 5: So I.

683
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Speaker 1: Mean, you know he doesn't one week.

684
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Speaker 5: I make sure I'm right there with him.

685
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: You know, that's that healthy competition right there.

686
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Speaker 3: And to be honest with you, Coop's a little underrated

687
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 3: with how good he has been on a per dollars basis. Especially,

688
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: I mean, even with Benito getting the new contract and

689
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 3: all that, Coops, Coops performed.

690
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: At the level of contract he got. He's top eight

691
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: in sacks. Yeah, all of the defensive player of the

692
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Speaker 2: year conversation tends to go to Nick Bonito. Justifiably, He's

693
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 2: really special and he is leading the league in sacks

694
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: right now with eight. But Benito gets to rush off

695
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: sack Allen's games down there where you know, Coop's got

696
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 2: John Franklin Myers on his w there's no slouch. But

697
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: you got to remember, I mean, you got one of

698
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Speaker 2: the best defensive ends.

699
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Speaker 3: In front of you. You've got Cooper on the other

700
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Speaker 3: side that can't double team, you know, all the kind

701
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Speaker 3: of stuff. So there are advantages that Benito sort of gets.

702
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to take anything away from Benito.

703
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 3: I'm trying to prop John Cooper up. There are some

704
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 3: advantages and video gets somebody Cooper doesn't quite get.

705
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: And he's still step for step with Nick Benigel. He

706
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Speaker 1: top eight.

707
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Speaker 2: I mean that's when you when you got a guy

708
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: that's prolific and and you're gonna have to find a

709
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 2: way to eat too. Remember we had this conversation for

710
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 2: years with Bradley Chubb and Von Miller and it's like, Okay,

711
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: well I Vvin's gonna get double t Bradley Chubb better

712
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: eat and his rookie year he did, and then he

713
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: just kind of never kind of got back to that.

714
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: He have a Pro Bowl season in there before he

715
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 2: was out of here. But yeah, injuries took its toll.

716
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 3: But there was a system though, Like the Fangio system

717
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 3: doesn't get sacks.

718
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: Like it's not that's not what it's designed to do.

719
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 1: It just doesn't get that many sacks.

720
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,719
Speaker 2: And Brian Burns, who's coming to town is third right

721
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: now in the NFL and sacks.

722
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Speaker 1: He's a very good player, but he also has advantages.

723
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Speaker 3: You can't double team because you've got timbod Oh and

724
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: you got Carter out there that can go make you pay.

725
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: And then Dexter Lawrence, of course, is right up the middle. YEA, yeah,

726
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: that's that's gonna be. That's gonna be tough. How do

727
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: you I mean, I guess you're gonna You're gonna try

728
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: to run your offense, right, I mean, that's what you

729
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: gotta do. What's your distribution with JK and r J

730
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: in this game?

731
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Speaker 1: I mean, really, gamescript, you know, it depends on those

732
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Speaker 1: kinds of things.

733
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Speaker 3: I think early on we'd like to see back to

734
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 3: the basic distribution we had over the first four games.

735
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Speaker 3: You know, we've seen a little bit more of Harvey

736
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Speaker 3: in the past game over the last couple of weeks

737
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 3: and then split them out. Okay, fine, that that hasn't

738
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Speaker 3: really yielded much.

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 3: I think in this particular game, if you were going

741
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Speaker 3: to change anything up, i'd love to see some gun

742
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 3: two back looks with both of them back there.

743
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really good, and.

744
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 3: Then throwing those because then you're forcing those edge rushers

745
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 3: to have to respect the option of them receiving the

746
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 3: handoff or the option in those kinds of plays. And

747
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Speaker 3: so I'd love to see some like some gun two

748
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 3: back stuff where you put you maybe put Harvey in

749
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Speaker 3: an orbit motion behind the quarterback out of that look,

750
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Speaker 3: or you know, you give a fake handoff, that kind

751
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 3: of stuff, and it forces some respect to.

752
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Speaker 1: Those kinds of things. Well, say, the Giants do score

753
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: quickly like that.

754
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 2: They scored touchdowns, they were up fourteen the Saints, they

755
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 2: were up like two scores early.

756
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Speaker 1: They scored a touchdown early against the Eagles the other night.

757
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Speaker 2: And I want to say that even in the game

758
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Speaker 2: against the Chargers, they they scored relatively early. So I

759
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: will say that's they get off the fast starts. Now,

760
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: they don't always maintain it. They did against the Eagles.

761
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Speaker 3: Well, Dark gets stinged up and then all of a sudden,

762
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Speaker 3: you know, it takes the air out of the balloons

763
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Speaker 3: a little bit. That's been the problem is it's not

764
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Speaker 3: really that, you know, it's it's keeping Dark healthy because the.

765
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Speaker 1: Style of run lower the shoulders. The quarterback's going to

766
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Speaker 1: mess up your shoulders, eventually freely passing away at the

767
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Speaker 1: age of seventy four.

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Speaker 2: Today we mentioned a little bit earlier Broncos Country tonight

769
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Speaker 2: coming up at the top of the hour, Zach seekers

770
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Speaker 2: Nick Ferguson, they will take you the rest of the way.

771
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Speaker 2: They got a lot to react to. Holy cow, we

772
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Speaker 2: got to two baseball games happen right now in LCS

773
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Speaker 2: and ALCS. So NLCS is still tied one all in

774
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Speaker 2: the top of the sixth inning, and then you got

775
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Speaker 2: the Mariners in the Blue Jays kind of a big

776
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: win for the Blue.

777
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Speaker 1: Jays last night. Congratulation has been all right.

778
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Speaker 2: For being on the Blue Jays side of that, we

779
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: were all I don't know, man, I was just filling

780
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: the mojo of the Mariners.

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Speaker 1: They seem to be rolling. They had won two on

782
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Speaker 1: the road.

783
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: They're coming back home the two nothing after the first inning,

784
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: and I'm like.

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Speaker 1: Oh, this is gonna be a this is gonna be

786
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: a sweep.

787
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: And not so fast, my friend. The Blue Jays put

788
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: on a clinic. I think they like tie the Major

789
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: League Baseball record and home runs or something like that.

790
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Speaker 1: It was ridiculous.

791
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it ended up being an absolute beat down there.

792
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the day, I did

793
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: not expect that. I did pick the Jays. I didn't

794
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: expect that big of beat down.

795
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Speaker 2: So yeah, if you missed any parts of the show earlier,

796
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Speaker 2: Brandon Jones, Rick Lewis, those interviews will be up at

797
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: KAWI Colorado dot com or on the iHeartRadio app. Subscribe

798
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: to the podcast that we never miss an episode of

799
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned, Dave will be back with us tomorrow.

801
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: We will also have Nate Jackson in studio. We'll chat

802
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: with Passer Tan, We'll check in with somebody with the Giants.

803
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: So'll have a lot of fun tomorrow on Football Friday.

804
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: Very much looking forward to that.

805
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Speaker 1: We got Thursday Night football going to the top of

806
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Speaker 1: the hour.

807
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Speaker 2: Now. You mentioned a little bit earlier some of the

808
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: ramifications of this game, and we're on week seven, so

809
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: there are some big moments here.

810
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: We have the trade deadline on the other side of

811
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: the Week eight.

812
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: But if the Bengals stumble tonight, even though they're at home,

813
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,479
Speaker 2: because that favors the Thursday night home game, but if

814
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: they stumbled tonight, it could be severe things for Trey Hendrickson,

815
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: for the coaching staff potentially, so on and so forth.

816
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: There was a report right before we are coming back

817
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Speaker 2: here about Joe Burrow that he is eyeing an opportunity

818
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Speaker 2: to come.

819
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Speaker 1: Back in December.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's what you say at this point

821
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 3: to keep your teammates focused and dialed in. That you're

822
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: trying to make a comeback. If you guys can just

823
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 3: get me here, I'll take it the rest of the way.

824
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's gonna work. That remains to

825
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: be seen, but that's what you say at this point.

826
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Speaker 3: If you're a quarterback, maybe he has an outside shot

827
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Speaker 3: at being back in December.

828
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Speaker 1: Let's see here, Zach Allen is Benito's Derek Wolf.

829
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be kind of yeah, that's kind of like

830
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 3: that because I think Zach's actually better than Derek personally.

831
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Speaker 3: But Derek did that for Vaughan for years. Yeah, but Derek,

832
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 3: Derek did that and set said von Miller. They played

833
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: those games and absolutely Vono's a portion of those sacks

834
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Speaker 3: to what Derek Wilf did.

835
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Speaker 1: What do you think about the Steelers.

836
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: They've been kind of beasting off some bad teams. I

837
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: mean there are the record is what it is, and

838
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: they're going to probably win the division. We were talking

839
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: about the teams of the AFC that we believe in

840
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: or playoff teams. Somebody has to win this division. It's

841
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: like the Natanial Hacket, Like somebody's got to win this

842
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: Game of the week. Somebody's got to win that division,

843
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: and there's really unless Baltimore suddenly wakes up and reels

844
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: off a bunch of wins, which I think they could

845
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: if Lamar comes back and is healthy. But right now,

846
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: I mean, the Steelers look like they've they're in the

847
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: driver's seat and that doesn't look like it's changing.

848
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: Any time soon. Yeah. And they've they've stayed relatively healthy too.

849
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: That's that's a that's a big portion of this.

850
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Speaker 3: I mean what Calvin Austin and Andrews Pete I think

851
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: of the main main injuries they've.

852
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: Had, they stayed relatively healthy.

853
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: They've got to figure out that second receiver because Roman Wilson,

854
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 3: Scottie Miller, Benscronicos are not secondary receiver type things.

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Speaker 1: Uh, you got to you got a rumors swirling there.

856
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would suggest that they're heavily in the

857
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 3: mix looking for something else.

858
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Speaker 1: They've been doing that for a while.

859
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 3: They were sniffing around Courtland before you got a contract.

860
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Speaker 3: You know, they play a lot of twelve personnel with

861
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 3: the two tight end stuff.

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Speaker 1: I think the main thing here is making sure everybody's

863
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: dialed in.

864
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 3: You know, if they're able to continue to stay dialed in,

865
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Speaker 3: you've got an offensive coordinator who might be in the

866
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 3: mixture of some head coaching jobs. You know this this cycle,

867
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Speaker 3: you got to keep everybody dialed in. If you can

868
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Speaker 3: do that, stay healthy, I think, and not make bonehead

869
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:29,959
Speaker 3: of mistakes like the rookie did.

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Speaker 1: Special teams. Yeah, I think you'd be all right.