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Speaker 1: We've got to see you basketball come out up here

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Speaker 1: at the bottom of the hour on the road taken

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Speaker 1: on Texas Tech. So we'll bring you coverage that starting

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Speaker 1: at five point thirty. Tip at six. We got Nuggets

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Speaker 1: basketball playing Memphis tonight. That'll be our pick now, Dave,

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Speaker 1: don't tell me. I don't think we did very good

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Speaker 1: last night. What did it end up being? I think

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Speaker 1: I was owing to. Yeah, I was owing to as well.

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Speaker 1: So as ben Nick was one and one, it looks

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Speaker 1: like what was it? What was it? Holy cow? It

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Speaker 1: was Clippers and Under and we went Rockets and over.

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Speaker 1: Well I didn't, you didn't.

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Speaker 2: I went Clippers and Under. I was were you big show?

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Speaker 1: To go Grant because no one cares well. So yeah, listen, man,

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Speaker 1: you know, well, we'll put you on the board here.

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Speaker 2: When I'm here on next week. Okay, when I'm here

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Speaker 2: all next I expect to see my name on this.

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Speaker 2: Showed me the money I want to keep. I'm competitive.

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Speaker 2: I want to keep track of this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get you on the weekly wins, but you

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Speaker 1: gotta win what I usually do.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm pretty good at picking. I feel

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Speaker 2: like I'm pretty talented.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you Bin says that too, and sometimes I've said

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Speaker 1: that and then Dave says, well, let me let me

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Speaker 1: look at the scores here, and then it's forty nine wins.

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Speaker 2: Dave, his eyes are like blowing you guys out or

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Speaker 2: or struggling. But I think that's how he wins, though.

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Speaker 2: Is his picks are always, you know, big winners. Most

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Speaker 1: He tends to pick last, which I think does give

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Speaker 1: an advantage, but he will.

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Speaker 2: Right here, fellas.

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Speaker 1: Just sitting right here, right here, he's hard to find.

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Speaker 1: That's that's exactly right right here. Well, so very quickly

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Speaker 1: though on the Nuggets. Grizzlies are not a very good team,

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Speaker 1: as you can see by the line fourteen and a half. Again,

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Speaker 1: don't tell me your pick, but do you like need

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Speaker 1: the Nuggets to emphatically win this game? I mean, we

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Speaker 1: of a slog for the Nuggets at home. Dave. Is

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Speaker 1: that is that some kind of thing you're holding or

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Speaker 1: just just win, just find a way to I don't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it'd be nice to go into the

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Speaker 3: all Star Break with a win, I don't care if

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Speaker 3: They they haven't been a good home team, as we've

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Speaker 3: talked about a lot. They're fourteen and eleven, so I

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Speaker 3: after the All Star Break is, as we like to say, challenging.

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Speaker 3: So these are games that you should win. You have

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Speaker 3: to win, but doesn't matter if they win by a

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Speaker 3: small amount or a big amount.

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Speaker 1: So you don't need the style points tonight.

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Speaker 4: No, do you What in the world, seriously, what in

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Speaker 3: Why would you even contemplate for a moment the need

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Speaker 1: The Grizzlies are sixteen on the road. Win team is

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Speaker 1: a win?

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Speaker 4: Why would it matter? Why does it matter?

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Speaker 1: I think that is a there's a morale boost if

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Speaker 1: you get into the fourth quarter and you can rest

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Speaker 2: And I'm not This isn't a shot, you Ryan, It's

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Speaker 2: you know people that necessarily haven't been you know, college

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Speaker 2: could go worse, but I'm saying they tend to fall

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Speaker 2: for Oh, they need to win by this much, and

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Speaker 1: A lot of people called the Broncos frauds last year

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Speaker 1: because they would win close games.

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Speaker 2: And that and actually, this whole talk reminds me of

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Speaker 2: they played a Chargers team without Justin Herbert. Oh it's

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Speaker 2: that enough, Like, you know, should it be a blowout?

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Justin Herbert, somebody voted for him for MVP. Yes, well,

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Speaker 2: I mean you remember, did you hear why? He said?

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Speaker 3: Listen, I'm a bigger fan of Justin Herbert than the

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Speaker 3: guy I'm looking at you don't you don't you know

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Speaker 3: he doesn't think he doesn't.

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Speaker 2: He terminator bro One thing. I will have the most

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Speaker 2: respect for Justin Herbert because his old line has been

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Speaker 2: trash his whole career, and he's he's banged up all

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Speaker 2: the time. He gets up every time and just gets

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Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying quarterback, Okay, I don't like I

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Speaker 3: don't think he considered to be an MVP.

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Speaker 2: Game six. I won't even say ten. Name six, No,

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Speaker 2: give me seven quarterbacks better?

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Speaker 1: Well, I want to finish the point that you make

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Speaker 1: about the first place MVP. But yeah, I mean, so

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Speaker 1: you got mahomes At, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, you have Bo.

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Speaker 3: Nicks, you got serious? Just to see name name eight

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Speaker 3: quarterbacks that you take in front of Herbert's want to

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Speaker 3: say you got your homes.

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Speaker 1: I got my Hoomes, I got Lamar Jackson, I got

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Speaker 4: We're not helping you. No, I know, I know that's four.

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Speaker 1: I take Dak. I think I would take Dak, get the.

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Speaker 3: Absolute hell out of your seat right now and go

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Speaker 5: And let the blood rush back to your brain and

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Speaker 5: hope that it actually I know you're going to say,

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Speaker 5: I say, beast Stafford, he's fifty is the MVP?

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Speaker 1: Is he not?

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Speaker 4: So you would trade You would trade Metts, you would trade.

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Speaker 1: Yes, easily. What if you're the Chargers, you.

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Speaker 4: Would trade Justin Herbert for Matt Stafford right now?

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Speaker 2: You know what?

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Speaker 3: That's why, seriously, you're going to be doing a political

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Speaker 3: show next year, cause that makes no no sense sense.

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Speaker 2: You're going to trade someone who's going to retire in

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Speaker 1: Has quarterbacks playoff performance?

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Speaker 2: What other quarterbacks?

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert turtles every single time? Uh, that's that's about.

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Speaker 1: That's about the list.

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Speaker 4: So he's still in the top sevens.

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Speaker 2: Out there. What about No Sam Darnold, m.

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Speaker 1: that's the twenty four class. Like by next year, my

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Speaker 1: a down year. I do like bo Nicks a lot

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Speaker 1: But I think that's some of that that that class

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Speaker 1: and we keep vaunting them up as these surefire tops.

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Speaker 1: It's great, you're a great regular season quarterback. We've had seasons,

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Speaker 1: for a long time, Peyton Manning was that guy.

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Speaker 1: Kings like my all time favorite quarterback. I'm saying that

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Speaker 1: until he finally won. Is a great regular season quarterback?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say Matt Stafford would be up there.

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Speaker 1: He was in that conversation.

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Speaker 2: He never won. He just put out stats everything.

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Speaker 3: If Herbert, So here's the thing, So, if Herberts never

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Speaker 3: was an average NFL quarterback probably, but.

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Speaker 1: That's Super Bowl. I just let's start with just winning

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Speaker 1: the trajectory after that.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know they fired the LCS. Yeah, Mike McDaniels,

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Speaker 2: that's obviously the reason they weren't that Justin Herbert wasn't good.

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Speaker 4: I think it helped. I do think that would help.

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Speaker 2: I think Mike McDaniels will be a great hire for them,

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Speaker 4: You don't bring You don't bring somebody in Shelby showing

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Speaker 3: You don't bring somebody in as a consultant unless you

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Speaker 3: want to, you know, talk ball Picki's brain. So I

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Speaker 3: just thought it was an interesting The Chargers offense, you know,

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Speaker 2: They're gonna be better with the.

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Speaker 3: Run game, but they need to spice up their offense,

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Speaker 3: and I think that will take Jim Harbaugh having to

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Speaker 3: great defense, run the ball, you know, a few play

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Speaker 3: action passes, take very few chances with the ball, and

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Speaker 3: win twenty one seventeen. I mean, look, could the Chargers

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people picking the Chargers to not

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Speaker 1: in the AFC West, which does picked him every year.

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Speaker 2: Which is wicked. I saw it said that the Chargers

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Speaker 2: are picked to win the division next year and the

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Speaker 2: Chiefs will be second. So that means that Broncos are

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Speaker 2: now going to drop from first to third, you know,

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Speaker 2: everyone's been high up in the Charges for a long time,

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Speaker 2: and I don't think and which is actually funny because

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Speaker 2: usually people don't keep picking you until you show them

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Speaker 2: you can win it, and the Chargers haven't at all. Instead,

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Speaker 1: So they collapse one way or the other, weather's in

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Speaker 1: the regular season or postseason, they collapse. And as much

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Speaker 1: as again, I think Justin Herbert is a very talented quarterback,

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Speaker 1: but I take Trevor Lawrence over Justin Herbert. You know why,

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Speaker 1: because he performs in the postseason.

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Speaker 2: Well, he finally did.

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Speaker 1: He won the game that heads up play so well.

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Speaker 3: Sam Darnold performed in the postseason, but you wouldn't take

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Speaker 4: With your argument.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to see one more year, Sam Donald.

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Speaker 4: How many Trevor Lawrence performed the postseason?

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Speaker 1: A couple? Well, I mean he lost this last year.

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Speaker 4: But but he did the Bills go to Jacksonville and win.

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Speaker 4: Here's a question, did Trevor Lawrence have the ball down four?

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Speaker 1: He did?

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Speaker 4: How did that work out? What happened?

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Speaker 2: Interception?

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Speaker 4: So come on, bro, but he beat Justin.

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Speaker 1: Herbert heads up when they played, did he not?

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Speaker 2: Well? Okay, the one thing maybe you have to realize though,

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Speaker 2: come back, it had the head That does not matter.

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Speaker 2: This is a team sport. So as much as you

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Speaker 2: they got played the defense and so if one defense

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Speaker 2: just beat each other.

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Speaker 3: Had to have you asked every G I would think

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Speaker 3: it anonymously, you can have Justin Herbert right now or

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Speaker 3: like twenty three to like nine for Herbert, twenty two

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Speaker 3: to ten. It would be a overwhelming for Herbert.

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Speaker 1: Well, you guys just got done telling me there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of bad coaching in the NFL, so maybe there's

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Speaker 1: a lot about executives too.

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Speaker 3: Well, you just got done telling me that the reason

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Speaker 3: you wanted Trevor Lawrence over Justin Herbert was his postseason success.

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Speaker 3: And I said, well, Sam Darnold had the most postseason

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Speaker 3: success of anybody this year. But you don't want Sam Darnald,

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Speaker 3: which but this year proves your theory. But prior to

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Speaker 4: I was Trevor Lawrence done. Prior to this year, he

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Speaker 4: had the one win, one win.

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Speaker 1: Tell you what, he's only bring the postseason twice.

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Speaker 3: Even you, even you don't believe you know that. Here's

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Speaker 3: the T shirt. Even I don't believe me.

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Speaker 1: I think that Bonix has more successful.

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Speaker 2: We are Ryan Bayless over.

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Speaker 1: Here making Bonnicks won the AFC West along with the Broncos.

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Speaker 1: Of course, naturally they won the AFC West, which is

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Speaker 1: something Justin Herbert's ever done. And he won a playoff game,

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Speaker 1: something Justin Herbert has never done.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's your list.

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Speaker 1: You put him ahead, okay, and then you both scoffed

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Speaker 1: at me. I didn't, Okay, I didn't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did. Yeah to ten Herbert over Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to help you. I agree, I agree. I

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Speaker 2: definitely believe that your beard is going to be great.

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Speaker 2: People are definitely want to pick Herbert over Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 2: This is Herbert has what you want in a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: It's you're just waiting for it to all come out thin.

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Speaker 4: Detroit with trade straight up Jared Goff for Justin Herbert.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no question.

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Speaker 4: Are you think you're contemplating this?

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: Why jumping that right away and be like all one, yeah,

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Speaker 2: like there's a prank call. This can't be real, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: we'll take it.

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Speaker 1: They've they've had some success there in Detroit.

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Speaker 3: You think Jared So, I mean, Jared Goff got his

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Speaker 3: team to the NFC Championship Game, not this last year,

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Speaker 3: but the year before that. So by your analysis, that

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Speaker 3: would mean Jared Goff is a better quarterback than Justin Herbert,

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Speaker 3: who hadn't won a playoff.

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Speaker 1: Game, performing in the big moments matter.

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying, do you take Jared Goff at quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Over Justin Herber' close?

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Speaker 4: I didn't ask you that. Do you take him or not?

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Speaker 1: Probably not?

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Speaker 4: More playoff success.

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Speaker 1: I understand where you're going with this, and you're trying

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Speaker 4: You trapped yourself.

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Speaker 1: But based on you, you can watch those two quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: play and you say Justin Herbert's a better quarterback. I'll

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Speaker 1: give you that. Just Herbert's a better quarterback. But in

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Speaker 1: the big moments, Jared Goff has had more of them,

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Speaker 1: and he's actually gone to a super Bowl, which I

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Speaker 2: So you're thinking you would take Jared Goff over Lamar

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Speaker 2: Jackson who's never gone to a Super Bowl man, yeah,

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Speaker 2: or Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: He's two time MVP though, Josh Allen my getting pumbles.

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Speaker 4: I feel like, well, here about the head and neck area.

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Speaker 1: I feel like making great points.

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Speaker 4: I know you do, you definitely, but no, I don't

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Speaker 4: even believe me.

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Speaker 1: Sis Eli over Herbert? How about it? Hastleback over Herbert?

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Speaker 3: Tebow went to Hassleback went to a playoff game, Matthew,

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Speaker 3: that t up we got a block boat.

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Speaker 2: Call, it had a block move.

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Speaker 1: Tebow. Tebow won, won a playoff game. Playoff game.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Marius Thomas won that playoff game more than Tebow did.

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Speaker 2: I had to throw it cause they threw it seven yards.

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Speaker 4: No, he threw it longer.

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Speaker 2: That was longer than seven oad.

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Speaker 4: No, that was about twenty Are you a Steers fan?

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Speaker 2: No, not at all. What is this? I don't know,

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Speaker 2: just talking trash on on a on a.

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Speaker 1: Windy All right, Well, listen, we could agree to disagree.

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Speaker 1: How's that sound?

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Speaker 3: No, But I'm seriously I'm going to invest in the two.

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Speaker 3: They have these schools out there, quarterback schools. I'm I'm

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Speaker 3: going to invest because I believe in you. I'm going

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Speaker 4: And I think the good news is since Santa Barbara every.

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Speaker 2: That for you, Well, that's right. My question I guess

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Speaker 2: when it comes to the Herbert conversation is what in

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Speaker 2: your eyes makes a good quarterback? And you can't say

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Speaker 2: playoff wins because that's a team thing. If your defense

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Speaker 2: is given up fifty points, you can't control that as

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Speaker 2: a quarterback's like always look at Aaron Rodgers his time

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Speaker 2: in the playoffs. He did enough almost every year. The

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Speaker 2: defense always just did nothing every year, and that's why

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Speaker 2: he only has one Super Bowl. There's multiple times and

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Speaker 2: they lost multiple games in the playoffs where they scored

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Speaker 2: twenty eight thirty five points. So what if your eyes

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Speaker 2: would put these quarterbacks over Justin Herbert, if you can

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Speaker 2: take away playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Performing big and big moments, it matters, It really does.

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Speaker 1: And you're right, it is a team game. It absolutely

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Speaker 1: to lift up those guys and he just didn't do it.