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Speaker 1: do you like that?

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Speaker 1: In Boston against Boston is what I meant to say.

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Speaker 1: Also happening in Cincinnati. Of course, you may remember this

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Speaker 1: history always repeats itself. We may have Mahogany's two point

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Speaker 1: zero at our hands right now. There is, in this

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Speaker 1: time of very very delicate budgets, the city trying to

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Speaker 1: City of Cincinnati is handing out money to people who

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Speaker 1: in I guess private's a private sector. You go to

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Speaker 1: get a loan and you can't back up your claims

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Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati, it's your money. We're just going

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Speaker 1: to hand it out on this It's a very interesting story.

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Speaker 1: Is council Member Mark Jefferys Mark welcome. How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, I'm doing before we began, of course, we had

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Speaker 1: and I have a chance to talk to you. But

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Speaker 1: what happened Thursday at the at the banks relative to

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Speaker 1: there just wreaking havoc, shutting things down. They closed the banks,

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Speaker 1: early crime, crime and more crime. I know the Teresa

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Speaker 2: By the way, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know on the report what I would say about Thursday.

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Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, it was disgraceful. I was down for

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Speaker 3: the parade as usual, an amazing day. Parade was great,

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Speaker 2: It's all right.

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Speaker 3: But look, I mean, you know, I use the word hooligan.

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Speaker 3: it's so different than the hooligans to disrupt soccer matches

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Speaker 3: which I think is appropriate because you know, we need

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Speaker 3: for up to six months on street takeovers. We have

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Speaker 3: to send a message to people that you know, this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to get you back on to the

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Speaker 1: So a five point one percent budget reduction for police

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that ain't happening. I mean I think look, I

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Speaker 3: would what would happen if you had to cut five percent?

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Speaker 3: And then you go through the exercise and maybe there

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Speaker 3: are efficiencies you can do. You can automate different things,

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Speaker 3: Are we going to cut police officers?

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Speaker 2: Should? We know?

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Speaker 3: We're going to do the opposite. I have my budget priorities,

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Speaker 3: You know, that's that has increased the size of the force.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So here's where this comes in. There's a

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Speaker 1: This is looking like Mahogany's all over again in that

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a disaster there. There has been about

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Speaker 3: control of you know, whatever that investment is that didn't pass.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't even seconded, you know, So what we have

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Speaker 3: lack of a safe place for people to gather, just

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Speaker 3: What I'm trying to do on like youth football fields

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Speaker 3: places for people to gather, and we do need places

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Speaker 3: You know, and you know I've hacked conversations with several

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Speaker 3: private sector companies including you know, you know folks who

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Speaker 3: clearly you know the execution and the way that it

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Speaker 3: how we get fact up sixty six thousand dollars and

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Speaker 1: Well, what are you talking about like a playground or

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Speaker 1: When you said just place for families to sit down

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Speaker 3: So there's there are several parts. So if you think

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Speaker 3: You know, how can you incent private sector folks to

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Speaker 3: And whether it's a skate park, a football field, the

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Speaker 1: But if you look at it though, you say, okay,

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Speaker 1: Laurel Rec creer. You've got plenty of green space there.

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Speaker 3: Oh green space?

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Speaker 3: I mean I do think I am working, as you

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Speaker 1: He is accountsmember, Mark Jeffreys and the Scontsland Show seven hundred. Wow,

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Speaker 1: How do you think that's playing with your average voter

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Speaker 3: Mean, look, first of all, the reason that there's a

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Speaker 3: also non in favor of an increase in the earning tect.

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Speaker 3: We have to live within our meets, and I've been

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Speaker 1: All right, All well, I'm good because I like nice

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, look, I mean this is a bigger problem

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Speaker 3: if you well know Scott, right. I mean, when somebody

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Speaker 3: but we can't. And police will be the first person

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And but we also do need police. We need both, yes,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned the earnings tack and earning sacks and

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Speaker 1: that vote is for NERD. I'm not debating whether or

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's a reason why. I mean I

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Speaker 3: eat your dessert. There are plenty of efficiencies and things,

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Speaker 3: same thing with kids. You know, you don't give them

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Speaker 1: So you got That's where I want the City Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: appreciate that because five percent is not going to happen

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Speaker 1: to me. Mark Jeffers, appreciate the time as always, Buddy,

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Speaker 2: Thank ye.

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Speaker 1: You got money for River Bend. You're wanting eleven million

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Speaker 1: maybe an earnings tax for the people that work still

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Speaker 1: Reds performed very well this weekend. Jeff Card eleven thirty

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Speaker 1: It looks like today is going to cooperate. I think

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Speaker 1: I think we got a day game on Wednesday, so

436
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Speaker 1: we shall see weather wise, But it looks like you're

437
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Speaker 1: not of like the rain's gonna hold off to the afternoon.

438
00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:05,240
Speaker 1: So if you're going to do that first business Person's special.

439
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,760
Speaker 1: We might be okay, we might be okay. So I

440
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,640
Speaker 1: just had to Mark jeffries On council member talking about

441
00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,439
Speaker 1: mahoganies all over again. If you go back a decade

442
00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,119
Speaker 1: in a decade is a universal way, let's face it,

443
00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,280
Speaker 1: especially the way things move today. Used to be Hey,

444
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,000
Speaker 1: you know a couple of weeks ago, and now we

445
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,119
Speaker 1: kind of live for today and be damned tomorrow because

446
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 1: we just want to get through today. It's just how

447
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 1: it is. But history is a great indicator future behavior.

448
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 1: I just understand if you're squeezed by thirty million dollars

449
00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 1: while you're handing money out to individuals who clearly aren't

450
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Speaker 1: responsible enough or a good bet to pay it back.

451
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like a pretty low bar to cross.

452
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,720
Speaker 1: Say hey, are you solvent? Do you have some assets?

453
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Speaker 1: Are you are you making your mortgage payments? Didn't do

454
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,439
Speaker 1: that in the case of this West End bar And

455
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 1: it's this all over again. But it's taxpayer money. It

456
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,679
Speaker 1: runs on a motion and not fact. And there you go.

457
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 1: Because if you're you know, if you say, look, you've

458
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,120
Speaker 1: got to show me your assets, show me your liabilities.

459
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 1: Show me a business plan, come up with a white paper,

460
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 1: give me something here, give me a track record of success,

461
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 1: show me something. And if you can't do that, then

462
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,919
Speaker 1: you're not on top of the money. And let's not

463
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Speaker 1: confuse fact with emotion. And I would say race is

464
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 1: an emotion in this one, that somehow this individual was

465
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Speaker 1: owed a bar because of what happened when hell, back

466
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Speaker 1: in the fifties, when we started blowing up road towns

467
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,879
Speaker 1: to some degree, like downtown Cincinnati, to put ice seventy

468
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Speaker 1: five through it, which of course just reak tavoc on

469
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Speaker 1: the black community. And there's no question about it. However,

470
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Speaker 1: I would say that how does that entitle someone who

471
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Speaker 1: shouldn't be given essentially money, that that loan to having

472
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Speaker 1: a loan real it is more of a grant because

473
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Speaker 1: he can't pay it back. I mean, that's just like

474
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Speaker 1: that's like, say, well, the defense's racism is what it is.

475
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Speaker 1: How dare you question this because it's racism. No, it's not.

476
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Speaker 1: It's it's being a good steward of tax payer dollars,

477
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Speaker 1: especially when you're asking workers in Cincinnati to consider an

478
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Speaker 1: increase in their taxes. You know, we're talking about an

479
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: earnings tax coming up here, How are we going to

480
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Speaker 1: write the ship? How are we going to pay for

481
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 1: all this? We're asking departments to cut five percent, including police. Now,

482
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 1: Jeffrey said that wouldn't happen, But again that's one voice

483
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Speaker 1: of many uncountable. See, I'm willing to believe he's right

484
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Speaker 1: on that one, that there's not the specially the optics

485
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Speaker 1: of that are terrible considering the high profile crimes opening day,

486
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Speaker 1: notwithstanding that have been going on in the winter and

487
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Speaker 1: now the summer's about here in Holy Cow. Hopefully that's

488
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Speaker 1: not an indicator what's going to happen. But I suppose

489
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Speaker 1: if you're downtown, you work downtown, you live downtown, you're

490
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Speaker 1: like me, you like going downtown. I enjoy being downtown.

491
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Speaker 1: But is this going to have a chilling effect that

492
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Speaker 1: already has. It doesn't look good when you're handing out

493
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 1: money to riverbend, when you're asking for a earnings tax increase,

494
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 1: when you're asking police to take a haircut to go

495
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to give this guy on secured loan. Basically,

496
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Speaker 1: it's like, how hard is it you mean to tell

497
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Speaker 1: me that? I guess the defense here as well, it's

498
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: you know we have to lift up black folks. Okay,

499
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Speaker 1: I'm fine for helping people long, lift people up who

500
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Speaker 1: have been compromised and marginalized. I get it, But are

501
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,239
Speaker 1: they a good risk? You mean to tell me that's

502
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Speaker 1: insulting because you mean to tell me you can't find

503
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: another minority interest that has a better business plan, that

504
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: is more solvent, and someone has it more together than

505
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: this guy, Like why that's racism itself? Like, well, this

506
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Speaker 1: is the best representative. No it's not. There's plenty of

507
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: minority entrepreneurs, black, female or otherwise that probably would be

508
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: that most definitely would be. I should say a better investment,

509
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: and I know one of them personally, and you're not

510
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: hearing about it because it was a good investment. But

511
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: we got to do better. You got to do better.

512
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: The optics on this are terrible. Tell you what else

513
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 1: is terrible? Back to sports here, Tiger Woods arrested Friday

514
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: and Florida suspicion of dui. It wasn't alcohol because he

515
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: blew a triple zero, which is good, but refuse a

516
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 1: year in test which triggered the dv DUI charge over

517
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: I charge driving a land Rover on Jupiter Island. He

518
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: overtook a pressure cleaning truck at high speed, hit the

519
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: trailer and rolled over the car. Second time he's rolled

520
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Speaker 1: a car over. Of course, remember back before the Genesis

521
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 1: open in twenty twenty one in La Or he rolled

522
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: that vehicle. So his second DUI arrest and third notable

523
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 1: car incident since two thousand and nine, So he has

524
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Speaker 1: quite a few of these things. I've been driving for

525
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Speaker 1: a long time. I love it answer to this question,

526
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Speaker 1: how do you roll a car over? I mean, he's

527
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Speaker 1: pretty good at flipping cars. I've ever long time, never

528
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: got to the point where and maybe driving a little

529
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Speaker 1: fat enjoy to drive fast.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's because it's an SUV that they're

532
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Speaker 1: more prone to roll over? But man, my god, he's

533
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Speaker 1: on a residential street. It looks like it's just like

534
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 1: a regular twenty five mile in our neighborhood. And so

535
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: he decides he's going to fly around a cleaning vehicle,

536
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: hits the trailer, and it causes the car to roll over.

537
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: I mean, that's incredible, it really really is. Which is

538
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: more of the olm my god this again. But you know,

539
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: if you had to guess Tiger Woods is dealing with

540
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: chronic pain from the rollover accident he had last time,

541
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Speaker 1: and he's had what seven back surgeries, countless other surgeries

542
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Speaker 1: because of the violent way he hits a golf ball

543
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: or had hit a golf ball. He had that most

544
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Speaker 1: recent one where he rolled over the genesis a duy

545
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: where his legs are so badly injured. They were talking,

546
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: Remember they're talking amputation. He might lose a leg or

547
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: legs as the case may be. Now, Fortunately he got

548
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: back to golf, never going to be his former self.

549
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: It's just too damn hard, you know, having some surgeries

550
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: like that, certainly not the level Tigers had, but hell

551
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: foot surgery, backfusion, shoulder, Yeah, you just to try and

552
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: get back what you had is damn near impossible. I

553
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: will say it is impossible because you get older and

554
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: then add ads and there's rehab and your just bodies

555
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: just not the same anymore. And so I'm guessing, you know,

556
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: he's dealing with chronic pain from his whole career for

557
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: what he did for a living for so many years.

558
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Speaker 1: And this is a guy who's in desperate need, in

559
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,479
Speaker 1: my opinion, of some rehab. But you wonder if he's

560
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: gonna wind up getting that. I mean, you think of

561
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: athletes like hul Cogan comes to mind. His body was

562
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 1: so screwed up from wrestling that he was popping pain

563
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: meds like there were altoids from back in the day,

564
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: just to just to be able to survive, just be

565
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: able to move. And so guys like this, high level

566
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: athletes like that, push themselves over and over and over

567
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: again to win. And what happens is eventually, like all

568
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 1: of us, your body betrays you. You think at this

569
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: point he's got to be considering retirement. It's like I

570
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: got to get out of the spotlight for a while.

571
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: He has TGL going, which is great. He's got a

572
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: lot of business interest he's trying to is obviously not

573
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: going to beat the Masters this year, and that's that's

574
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Speaker 1: all part of who Tiger was is I get it.

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Speaker 1: I get the There may be some depression elements in there,

576
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: and he may be dependent on medication. It certainly looks

577
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: that way after the third OVI. But the other element is,

578
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: here's a guy who's rich enough to be able to

579
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Speaker 1: have a full time driver with his z own You

580
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: can afford your own driver, you can you presumably have

581
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: security and other things. Why not have a driver. And

582
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Speaker 1: for someone who has as much money as Tiger Woods,

583
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: that's pretty easy. I would say that if you look

584
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Speaker 1: at well, for example, athletes like Bengals players for example,

585
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: you know you're speed up and down the street and

586
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,959
Speaker 1: causing you know, you essentially are an outlaw because you're

587
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: busted for speeding and having street races and stuff like that.

588
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: We've also seen others like pac Man get in trouble.

589
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: Why why are you driving yourself? You've got money, you

590
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: could be able to afford a driver, Lacky somebody like that.

591
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: And I bring this up because I go, what are

592
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: the odds that Tiger Woods has more ov eyes than

593
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: John Daily? I mean to look at John Daily. That

594
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: guy's an unmitigated disaster when he was Tiger's age. He's

595
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: a little bit older now, but nonetheless John Daily, I

596
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: don't think he's ever really had those kind of problems

597
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: like Tiger Woods has. And that's a guy who was

598
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: drinking on the golf court. He pie's firing a beer

599
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: shotgun and a beer between holes, firing down snickers, dyed

600
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: cokes and smokes. I thought, well, John Daily, there's a

601
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Speaker 1: guy who's gonna get never as far as I know,

602
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: i'd have to go look that up. I don't think

603
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: he's ever been popped before, certainly now to the high

604
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: profile rollover like that. But here's Tiger Woods, who's pretty

605
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: straight laced. He's a work ethic is second to none.

606
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: He gets early, he gets there early, stays late. The goat,

607
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods is still the goat. You hate to see

608
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: that legacy diminished because of things like this, and it

609
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: looks like that's happening. But one may ask you, like,

610
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: why don't you just get a lack. You're a driver,

611
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: something along those lines to take you from point A

612
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: to point B. I guess there's a certain thrill of

613
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: driving the car he's got, always like a range Rover SUV.

614
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's Tiger Woods can to afford any car

615
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: he wants, into the Sun Vintage or otherwise he should

616
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Speaker 1: be set. I think there's probably some fun to driving

617
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: your own car, driving yourself roll them up in a

618
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: nice rig like that. But damn, at the end of

619
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Speaker 1: the day, if you are if you're abusing painkillers or

620
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: using painkillers, says right in the bottle opiates, don't don't

621
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: use this in drive. Okay, it says right there, there's

622
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: there's a certain liability on Tiger's part. But you just

623
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: watch a icon like Tiger Woods on wine and he

624
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: was getting it back too, because you know the TGL thing,

625
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of other things kind of forgot about what

626
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: happened in California a few years ago, and this comes

627
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: back again. You just wonder if now more it happens

628
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: it's a second high profile accident like this in a

629
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Speaker 1: few years, that what happens to Tiger Woods the brand

630
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: at this point, it does tarnish that whole thing, and

631
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: he's got to worry about his legacy and this is

632
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: starting to overshadow that legacy. I didn't think he'd ever

633
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: say that about Tiger Woods, who dominated the sports for

634
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: so many years. But good lore, Ben, get yourself in

635
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: a program, get some help. We'll talk more on this

636
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: at ten thirty five. Julie hattershares our licensed mental health expert,

637
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: mental health money in the Scott's Loan Show. Yeah, this

638
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: story and then that this is a depressing story. The

639
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: uplifting story is a guy like Gary Woodland, who just

640
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: won the Huge this Weekend one in Houston, as a

641
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: guy who had brain surgery what three years ago and

642
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: had serious PTSD. He's able to overcome all that and

643
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: win a tournament this weekend. Pretty big, Pretty big. I'll

644
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: get a time out in and more to follow. News

645
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: on the way in about ten. Laura Kartch is here.

646
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: She's a Middle Eastern expert. We'll talk about Iran with

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Speaker 1: the latest is we've got ten thousand more troops there,

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Speaker 1: so about fifty thousand not what the people want. How

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Speaker 1: much longer are we going to do this? Because the

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Speaker 1: economy is starting to shake and shimmy a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and of course we don't know where the endgame is

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Speaker 1: and this one maybe she does. We'll talk about that,

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Speaker 1: what the next steps are for this week. Just to

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Speaker 1: add Scott's loan show seven hundred w WELW. News come

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Speaker 1: We'll get into I ran the very latest. It's affecting markets.

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Speaker 1: The oil surge is real. We're getting four dollars a

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Speaker 1: gallon gasoline right now, and that's what it is here

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Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, about four bucks a gallon. Good luck you

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Speaker 1: get a little cheaper. How much more pain are we

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Speaker 1: going to suffer? At the pump, and this all plays

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Speaker 1: what's happening in the Strait of Hormuz and Iran and

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Speaker 1: whether that we can wrap this thing up and sit down.

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Speaker 1: Have some negotiations in Pakistan with the Iranians, but they

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Speaker 1: say that's not happening. Trump says it is. The Pakistani

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Speaker 1: say it is. So we'll see what occurs. But Laura

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Speaker 1: Kirsch is on at ten oh seven on this and

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Speaker 1: the very latest. As we get more troops involved, which

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Speaker 1: is nothing, I think very very few people want that

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Speaker 1: to be. Go one honest with you, that seems like

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Speaker 1: a breaking point. We'll find out. Conservatives have Kid Rock

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Speaker 1: and John Void, Liberals have Bruce Springsteen and Jane Fonda.

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Speaker 1: You're guaranteed, and if it's a big rally, if something

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Speaker 1: BIG's going on that is all about the brand, and

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Speaker 1: that's what it is, a brand, then you're going to

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Speaker 1: have either of those two showing up. So they did

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Speaker 1: another No King's Rally. Because the first ones are so

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Speaker 1: successful in getting stuff to change the way they want

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Speaker 1: them to change, why not do it again. So sure

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Speaker 1: they did, and tens of thousands of people showed up

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Speaker 1: all over, including here in Cincinnati. I'm not quite sure

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Speaker 1: what it gets you. I think it's a bunch of

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Speaker 1: just degrieved people from with different grievances. But that's what

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Speaker 1: we see. Protests have evolved today in a one cause

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Speaker 1: it's many. Everyone who's got a gripe and an acts

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Speaker 1: to grind is going to be out there with a sign.

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Speaker 1: And in Minnesota this weekend they had about two hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand people at estimate, who were protesting against this administration

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Speaker 1: or whatever it is. They're protesting against all all the

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Speaker 1: things everything. Some ess I'm gonna say one hundred and so,

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Speaker 1: others ay two regardless, is a pretty big crowd. But

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Speaker 1: the headliners were Jane Fonda and Bruce Springsteen. And I'm

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Speaker 1: shocked to learn that Bruce Springsteen does not like Republicans.

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Speaker 1: I'm absolutely shocked. How hard does it get Bruce Springsteen

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Speaker 1: to come out for something like this? Yeah, I guess

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Speaker 1: Green Day probably another but and maybe that I was

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Speaker 1: politically active, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: For me, I know some people like I would never

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Speaker 1: listen boycott broke, okay, boycott all you want. Like if

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Speaker 1: Springsteen was coming Cincinnati, I'd buy a ticket. I just

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Speaker 1: I don't think he'd espoused I was sung once before here,

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Speaker 1: and he wasn't too political about it. I can't remember

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Speaker 1: who's in office at the time, but I do not

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Speaker 1: want to pay a ticket and then hear thirty minutes

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Speaker 1: of the bitch about you know things that you think

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Speaker 1: you can change, that you're smarter than the rest of us,

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Speaker 1: just shut up and play the heads. But yeah, and

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Speaker 1: whether it's that or I don't know. I like Kid

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Speaker 1: Rocks music too, for that mattered as well. I have

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Speaker 1: a couple of his albums downloaded. Phenomenal writer, but same thing.

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Speaker 1: It's like, i'd go see Kid Rock. I'd see him.

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Speaker 1: I don't really care where your politics are, just hoping

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Speaker 1: you don't mention too much about it. We'll all get

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Speaker 1: along nice. I mean, I guess if Jane Fonder John

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Speaker 1: Voyd made a movie worth watching, i'd probably watch that

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I like to be entertained. Are you not entertained? I

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Speaker 1: don't know if i'd show up at a No King's

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Speaker 1: rally to hear him though, that's a whole different thing.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be all politically that wite, No thanks. I

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Speaker 1: can consume the product but disagree with the politics. I'm

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Speaker 1: cool like that. We'll do news and more to follow here.

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Speaker 1: It's the Scott's Loan Show, Monday Morning, Back at It,

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Speaker 1: seven hundred WWT, Cincinnati, an American all right, Monday Morning,

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Speaker 1: Back at It flowby seven hundred ww So. A month

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Speaker 1: into the war with Iran, we've got oil over one

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Speaker 1: hundred bucks a barrel. US troops are taking fire in

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Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, We're putting more on the ground. Secretary of

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Speaker 1: Rubias as nobody in Washington you're sure is even in

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Speaker 1: charge in Tehran, and we've got a Middle East policy experts,

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Speaker 1: tell us what's really happening, what the play is here.

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Speaker 1: Laura Karts is a Fox News contributor, among other things,

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Speaker 1: joining the show this morning. Laura, are you.

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Speaker 5: I'm well, thank you? How are you well? Much for

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Speaker 5: having Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Of course, so Marco Rubio told our allies at G seven,

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Speaker 1: there's genuine and certainly about who's actually making decisions in

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Speaker 1: Tehran right now. As someone who studies this, what's that

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Speaker 1: tell you about the state of their government.

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Speaker 5: At this point? I do believe that there might be

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Speaker 5: a scramble right now, you know, given the old Ayatola Alijmeni,

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Speaker 5: who's dead.

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Speaker 2: His successor.

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Speaker 5: His son is I'm so sorry. His name Mukshaba Hamani.

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Speaker 5: He's actually reportedly recovering from an air strike right now

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Speaker 5: in a hospital, but it's been a while now that

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Speaker 5: he's been out of the media and it's raising doubts

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Speaker 5: on whether or not he's dead or alive. You know,

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Speaker 5: the situation on the ground as well is not that great.

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Speaker 5: The power is still down in the capital, there's more

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Speaker 5: strikes coming in from Israel, and Iran is responding. Of course,

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Speaker 5: the internal instability will persist, but there's nothing televised as

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Speaker 5: of late. There's reports saying more than forty percent of

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Speaker 5: Ruran's population is also now living below the poverty line.

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Speaker 5: So there's a whole risk of new protests as well

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Speaker 5: amidst everything that's been going on.

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Speaker 1: That's the concern, right des there protest because of their

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Speaker 1: standard of living, because of the pain and agony, and

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Speaker 1: right now it's directed towards the regime. But again, if

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Speaker 1: we're not careful, we've seen this before, Laura, how long

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Speaker 1: before it flips and it's our fault as opposed to

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Speaker 1: the oppressing government that.

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Speaker 2: They have.

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Speaker 5: Right exactly, and that's what the Trumpet administration is trying

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Speaker 5: to do because they're not really trying to send in

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Speaker 5: the three thousand troops that have been promised, right, they're

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Speaker 5: trying to do this as swiftly as possible. And you know,

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Speaker 5: as a Secretary of State, Marko Reveal also just mentioned

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Speaker 5: that this sport's going to take another two to four weeks,

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Speaker 5: so without a real timeline, I think everyone's just waiting

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Speaker 5: to see whether or not we invade or whether or

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Speaker 5: not we do take over the nearby island, Hog Island,

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Speaker 5: which also holds ninety percent of Iran's oil exports.

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Speaker 1: Wow, so Iranian officials they it seems like they want

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Speaker 1: to negotiate. One of the things that came out last

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Speaker 1: week was that Trump is negotiating with themselves, saying they're

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Speaker 1: not talking to us, but clearly Pakistan is involved in this,

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Speaker 1: and saying the two guys are maybe close to meeting

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Speaker 1: at some point, are coming up with a plan at least,

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Speaker 1: and talks we're getting. Talks are awesome. So kind of

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Speaker 1: would think that the US is not doing the spy,

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Speaker 1: We're not doing this on our own. But Iranian officials

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Speaker 1: who wanted a negotiation I reportedly after their phones to

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Speaker 1: avoid being assassinated. How do you conduct the plumbacy in

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Speaker 1: that kind of environment.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's the confusing part. You know, we as you said,

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Speaker 5: we're one month in and there have been NonStop strikes

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Speaker 5: back and forth. But all the while, you know, Trump

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Speaker 5: is saying that Iran is actually desperate to make a deal,

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Speaker 5: but their recent refusal of a US fifteen point plan

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Speaker 5: is showing us otherwise. Now you know what happened in Pakistan.

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Speaker 5: Pakistan also hosted the foreign ministers of Saudi Arabia, Turkey,

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Speaker 5: and Egypt for in depth regional security talks. I believe

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Speaker 5: they have their second meeting this past weekend and their

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Speaker 5: meeting again today. So I do believe that we're what

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Speaker 5: we're looking at is an expanding war, you know, to

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Speaker 5: the much to the chagrin of the Trump administration, who

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Speaker 5: wants to be out by the next month or so.

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Speaker 1: How much longer does this drag on? Rubio said, two

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Speaker 1: to four weeks, so we'll be two months into this thing.

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Speaker 1: I just presume, based on what you told me, Laura,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be longer than that.

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Speaker 5: I personally presume it might take up until, you know,

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Speaker 5: the first month of summer. Let's say June July. But

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Speaker 5: again I do hope Ruvio is right and it'll only

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Speaker 5: take another four weeks, all right.

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Speaker 1: So the conclusion then is what I mean, how does

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Speaker 1: the regime save face. They're not going to simply turn

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Speaker 1: their guns over and say, okay, you put a system.

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Speaker 1: You can put a democratic system in here, which of

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Speaker 1: course we've tried many times. It doesn't work. What does

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Speaker 1: an agreement look like?

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Speaker 5: An agreement? I would say, you know, it starts with

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Speaker 5: the citizens of Iran. As you said, they might reach

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Speaker 5: their own breaking breaking point. And I think at this

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Speaker 5: point the main mission for the US is actually the

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Speaker 5: oil and carve island and reopening the straight upr Moose

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Speaker 5: because that's really put a choke hold on imports and

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Speaker 5: exports around the world. As far as regime change, I

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Speaker 5: don't believe that it's in the US's interest to go

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Speaker 5: in and invade just for that. I think it is

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Speaker 5: up to the citizens to choose their next leader, whether

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Speaker 5: or not it's an Ayatola, that's yet to be determined.

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Speaker 1: We have fifty thousand troops now on the well on

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Speaker 1: the ground in the region there specifically. Now, if you

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Speaker 1: hear that headline, oh my God, we sent fifty thousand troops.

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Speaker 1: Now we have forty thousand there already on the bases

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Speaker 1: that we have. It's an additional ten thousand there may

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Speaker 1: me more that is not playing well at home, especially

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Speaker 1: with Donald Trump's base, And the question would be how

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Speaker 1: many more soldiers, sailors and airmen do you need in

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Speaker 1: that region? And can can this thing be done without

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Speaker 1: us having to go in and get the nukes out,

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Speaker 1: which essentially means a ground invasion.

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Speaker 5: Right exactly. And Trump also added that we have about

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Speaker 5: thirty five hundred targets left, so he's assuming that it's

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Speaker 5: going to be done pretty quickly. But then at the

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Speaker 5: same time, our thirty first Marine Expeditionary Unit just arrived

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Speaker 5: excuse me, in the Middle East, and this past weekend

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Speaker 5: they also just used dozens of Tomahawk missiles. So it's

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Speaker 5: looking like diploma see, along with some bombings. And I'm

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Speaker 5: honestly not sure how long this is going.

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Speaker 1: To take, Yeah, Rubio said Laura Kurchis to what two

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Speaker 1: to four weeks to another month, but that may be

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Speaker 1: accelerated because Trump said he has an April sixth deadline,

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Speaker 1: so that'd be next week for a ran to make

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Speaker 1: a deal their face strikes on power plants. Is that

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Speaker 1: a credible ultimatum? Is it Trump saber rallying. Is he

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Speaker 1: just simply spewing stuff with no backup, or is a

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Speaker 1: negotiation tactic or all of that.

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Speaker 5: It's actually very credible because they are starting to hit

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Speaker 5: some of their energy infrastructure. But Iran is responding back

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Speaker 5: because it also is hitting the golf country's water desalination sense,

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Speaker 5: So the situation, can you get can ascolate pretty quick.

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Speaker 5: You know, Israel is also hitting South Lebanon, So there's

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Speaker 5: just a lot more expansions to this right now, and

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Speaker 5: it's including you know, a lot more infrastructure. It's including

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Speaker 5: the universities as well, I running University. Iranian is also

861
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Speaker 5: bombing and saying, well, we're going to hit American universities

862
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Speaker 5: also if you don't stop. So this can be a

863
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 5: sit for tat and it can go up all the

864
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Speaker 5: way to the summer, all the way up to the

865
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Speaker 5: end of the year. But Iran, the.

866
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: Main thing is that it's continuing.

867
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Speaker 5: To respond in attacking its schools countries, which is not

868
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 5: in America's interest as well, because half of them are allies.

869
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 5: When it comes to targeting the water and energy infrastructure.

870
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 5: Just this past weekend it was hitting to wait with

871
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 5: their water and energy infrastructure. Saudi Arabia, the UAE, now

872
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 5: Jordan is being pulled into the meetings. So it's the

873
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 5: strikes are marking very major escalations. So I think at

874
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 5: this point it's in Trump's interest to be escalate.

875
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you look at the map, and you've got all

876
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: these countries around they're getting sucked in. Yemen, adjacent to

877
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia is now getting pulled in well to some

878
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: degree anyway, because the who thies have entered the chat.

879
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: How significant is that intil is that escalation exactly?

880
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 5: So, yeah, the Yemeni hoopies actually attacked Israel this past weekend,

881
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 5: so they're officially joining the war. They used ballistic missiles,

882
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 5: and you know this was after repeated warnings that they

883
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 5: would enter the war if the energy and infrastructure attacks

884
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 5: don't stop. And so you know, if we're thinking about expansion,

885
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 5: we also have to think about the Sicity rock. We're

886
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 5: also influenced by Iran. We have Habela as well in Lebanon,

887
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 5: and I think recently actually the new Iatola sent an

888
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 5: appeal to the Iraq based Aatola, which you know, signals

889
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 5: some very bad news for the US and Israels don't

890
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 5: go their way.

891
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 4: By April six.

892
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: Down here Stateside, we have nearly three hundred American troops injured,

893
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Speaker 1: two hundred twenty five with traumatic brain injureds tdis. We

894
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: haven't fully absorbed those casualty numbers yet. Does that Does

895
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: that change a calculus or this administration? And is that

896
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: a slow ticking time bomb for at least from a

897
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Speaker 1: political standpoint here in America.

898
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 5: I think at this point, you know, Trump was advertising

899
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Speaker 5: regime change, but I think things are a little more complicated,

900
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 5: especially now the soldiers are being harmed. So again, the

901
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 5: main mission has to be reopening the strait of her

902
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,959
Speaker 5: moves and you know, getting out of there as quickly

903
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 5: as possible.

904
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: Marco Rubio said that he wants the Allies Allied nations

905
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Speaker 1: to police the straight of her moves after the war ends.

906
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: Is that realistic as far as post war architecture goes,

907
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: and who enforces that?

908
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 5: Those are some great questions, and I believe at this

909
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 5: point it's not very realistic given the way that Iran

910
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 5: is acting and responding with the talk A couple of

911
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 5: boats actually internationals have been bombed in the Strait since

912
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 5: February twenty eighth, and you know, I like the way

913
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Speaker 5: that Trump is being positive and saying we're going to

914
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Speaker 5: get a deal soon, but it's not looking like that

915
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 5: in reality, and especially with their responses of bombing. You know,

916
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 5: even ships from the Netherlands, from Greece, from Japan very

917
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 5: random and the only real ships that can pass at

918
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Speaker 5: this moment are commercial ships and that's not without tools.

919
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Speaker 5: So I'm not sure if it's very realistic to go

920
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 5: in to an island that is mixed to the Strait

921
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Speaker 5: and say, you know, we control it without causing something bigger.

922
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And you know, you look at that choke point,

923
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Speaker 1: the straight of her moves outside the Persian Gulf, and

924
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 1: you see how it's easy it is. You know, school

925
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: kid could tell you how easy it is for Iran

926
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Speaker 1: to attack anything going through there. And now they have

927
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Speaker 1: been for a while talking about maybe tolls. That's another

928
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Speaker 1: layer to this thing. Is it about money from Iran?

929
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Speaker 1: I can't think that that. I'm like, okay, so you

930
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Speaker 1: want to open it by toll lane here that they

931
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Speaker 1: have to pay a price to Iran. I'm not quite

932
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: sure how that boils up to being something that's negotiable

933
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Speaker 1: even it's like it's okay if I guess if you

934
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Speaker 1: want to do that, you can. I'm not sure that works.

935
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Speaker 1: But that certainly is not one of the big things

936
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Speaker 1: about this war, is it.

937
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 5: No, I don't think it's more about the money than

938
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 5: it is about the control of in the region. You know,

939
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 5: as I said, they have they have administered in an

940
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 5: official tools for the ships that were stuck there and

941
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Speaker 5: passing through. But I think it's more or so to

942
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Speaker 5: control the actions of the United States in the region,

943
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Speaker 5: which is why Trump is probably fighting back and resisting.

944
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 5: But you know, Iran knows that it has this choke

945
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Speaker 5: hold on the oil market right now, and I think

946
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Speaker 5: that's the only piece of leverage that it has in

947
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 5: this war, especially with its you know, dead original Ayatola

948
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Speaker 5: and the sun nowhere to be found.

949
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Speaker 1: Clark Kars. Israel is bombing the hell out of Lebedon

950
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: as we speak, in response to Hesbol and their rocket attacks,

951
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,959
Speaker 1: and they have no stranger to these kind of things.

952
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: But how do you manage two simultaneous fronts without destabilizing

953
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: the other? I mean, go back to other war World

954
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: War two would be a great example. You can't fight

955
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: a war in two fronts.

956
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 5: I I agree, I have to agree with that. It's unfortunate,

957
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 5: and I do believe, you know, hitting is bela targets

958
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 5: is always good, but it is expanding into a wider

959
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 5: war at this point, and I don't think that we,

960
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 5: as you know, even a world can deal with so

961
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 5: much conflict that once you know, it has expanded to

962
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 5: hitting universities, those institutions. You know, now we have a

963
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 5: bunch of American universities in that region as well that

964
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 5: are being threatened. So I think at this point the

965
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 5: escalation would be our best bet, you know, Asbola are not.

966
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems close too, because you have so many allies,

967
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: so many Arab countries that have taken our side anyway. Now,

968
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: granted there's countries like Yemen and others that have sided

969
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: with with Iran, but by and large, most of those

970
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: countries and regions getting hit. You know, you talk about

971
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: the UAE and others that are suffering the effects of

972
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: this thing. It feels like we have a coalition. It

973
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: just at this point doesn't feel like the needle's moving

974
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: on it. Is that an accurate assessment.

975
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, very accurate, and that includes that includes Kwait,

976
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 5: Saudi Arabia, uae, Qatar, Bahraine. You know, it's it's a

977
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 5: bunch of the Goals Cooperation Council countries that have you know,

978
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 5: they're being targeted in their energy infrastructure, their military sites.

979
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 5: We have you know, American servicemen out there that are

980
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 5: being threatened at this point, and not only.

981
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: That, Iran is running an information war against US. I

982
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: often talk about the digital war going on. That's you know,

983
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: granted it's it's not going to kill people.

984
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 2: It might.

985
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: I mean there's that plant in Nebraska that got shut down.

986
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: The Iranians clim that wound up killing a man and

987
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: his two children are who happen to be at this

988
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: bio mass plant. Uh So we do have a casualty

989
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: in that. But that is the issue most people don't

990
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: consider and talk about. It is the digital attacks, and

991
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: that would be the campaign that Iran is running a

992
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: relative to an information war. How effective is that and

993
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: this whole thing do you think.

994
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 5: At this point it's I do believe that it might

995
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 5: have potential, but I'm not hearing about any more hacks

996
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 5: or things like that into the US. Infrastructure more than

997
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 5: I heard about the possibility of super cells, you know,

998
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 5: as you know, the FBI did warn about that in

999
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 5: California on DC and you know Los Angeles and other

1000
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 5: major cities. So I think that would be something to

1001
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 5: look at, and of course, you know, be on guard

1002
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 5: for any hacking or digital or you know energy infrastructure

1003
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 5: of our own that can be targeted.

1004
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 6: Right.

1005
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the scary party. We've talked about this

1006
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: for a while is like a digital nine to eleven,

1007
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: to coin a phrase, It feels like from the experts

1008
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: I talked to, that day is coming. We just saw

1009
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: what happened with Striker Medical and that story of courses

1010
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 1: now in the rearview mirror because you go out doesn't

1011
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: really affect me most people, but something at that scale

1012
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: where it would get our attention, would absolutely bring us

1013
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: to our knees. And it's probably a lot easier to

1014
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: do than with bombs and missiles.

1015
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 3: Right exactly.

1016
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 5: And that is what Iran has essentially been tweeting about

1017
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 5: on X they're saying, you know, they have some surprise

1018
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 5: weapon that they were about to unleash. But they have

1019
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 5: been saying that for a couple of weeks now, so

1020
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 5: I'm not sure that it's very incredible.

1021
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 2: All right.

1022
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: So bottom line here, larak Arch is we're talking at

1023
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: least a month, maybe first, I don't know, first part

1024
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: of summer here, maybe in the June before this thing ends.

1025
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: But again, your gas is as good as anybody's, right exactly.

1026
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm hoping Rubio is right and we don't

1027
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 5: go past the four weeks mark.

1028
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: Well, again, you wonder how much economic strain too, because

1029
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: it's bringing the markets down. Gas is very expensive. Of course,

1030
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: it's an affordability thing. And this may be short term

1031
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: and short lived for sure, but you think you'd have

1032
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: to wrap this up midterms come into play as well,

1033
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: and I don't think anyone wants to stomach any boots

1034
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: on the ground. So hopefully, fingers crossed Rubio's right. At

1035
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 1: the very least, we'll get this thing done sometime in May.

1036
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: Lark Karch is a fox whose contributor and it depended

1037
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: Middle East researcher Laura. Thanks for the inside, appreciate it.

1038
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me me will Ah.

1039
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Speaker 1: You think you have problems, you ain't got tiger woods problems.

1040
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: What is going on with tiger woods whiskey Tango foxtrot.

1041
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: Julie Hattershare, our mental health expert, is on the show

1042
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: Mental Health Monday and Scottsland Show seven hundred WW. We'll

1043
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: talk about that coming up next.

1044
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Speaker 7: Hang on, everyone needs help every now and then, and

1045
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 7: she's here to help us get our heads right. This

1046
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 7: is Mental Health Monday with Mental health expert Julie Hattershire.

1047
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: All right, So Tiger Woods is in a mugshot again

1048
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: and millions of fans are asked him the same question,

1049
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: Is this guy okay? What is going on between his

1050
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: ears is as much physical as the physical plane is

1051
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: an addiction issue. What is going on? Plus? And I

1052
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Speaker 1: think he's seeing segue together? Great Gary Woodland who? Gary

1053
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 1: Woodland is a professional golfer, had brain surgery in twenty

1054
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 1: twenty three. He has recently gone public about some severe

1055
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: PTSD die noses that he had and since then, Seal

1056
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: feels like a thousand pounds has been lifted off his back.

1057
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: And to prove that point, yesterday he won the Houston Open.

1058
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about what's going on the

1059
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 1: head of athletes, but it also applies to a crisis

1060
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: in sports in general. Showing up in young athletes as

1061
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, and your kids. Julie hattersh here

1062
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: is our licensed mental health therapist and it's Mental Health

1063
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Speaker 1: Monday on the Scott's Loan Show. She's a be connected

1064
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: in Clifton. Julie, welcome. How's life?

1065
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 8: Heay, life is great, weather's good, sun's out warming up.

1066
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 8: Spring seems to finally be here to stay.

1067
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Speaker 1: The sun's out. But are your guns out? That's the question.

1068
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Speaker 4: I'll never tell.

1069
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's start with Tiger Woods. I was talking about

1070
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Speaker 1: this last hour. Arrested Friday after car crash, second time

1071
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: he's rolled his car in a few years. Zero is

1072
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: on the breathalyzer, but refused to your analysis. Still charged

1073
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Speaker 1: with DUI. They said, clearly he was under the influence

1074
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Speaker 1: of something.

1075
00:51:59,719 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 2: We know.

1076
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: He has had chronic surgeries, at least seven back surgeris

1077
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: and many, many, many more, and it's a cycle for him.

1078
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: There's hope, there's comeback, there's collapse, there's hope, there's comeback,

1079
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: there's more collapse. And of course he had that personal

1080
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: scandal in two thousand and nine, seemingly can't out his

1081
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: own way. But you see that with Tiger Woods, and

1082
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: you go all right, As a mental health element to

1083
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: this thing, how much of that is treating the pain?

1084
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: How much is that an addiction issue? Do you think?

1085
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: Oh?

1086
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit of both.

1087
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Speaker 8: I mean, I don't think that you can be an

1088
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 8: elite athlete and not have some of the qualities and

1089
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 8: characteristics associated with an addictive personality. The pursuit of excellence,

1090
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 8: the relentlessness that's required, the obsessive focus on something. Those

1091
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 8: all can be associated with elite athletes and addictions and

1092
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 8: high performing people in general. But this man's body has

1093
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 8: been through so much over the years, and he's had

1094
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 8: so many surgeries and so many recoveries and so many

1095
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 8: comebacks that it has to take a toll on him mentally,

1096
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 8: not just physically. And my guess is he's fairly isolated

1097
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 8: in terms of people who actually care about him and

1098
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 8: support him, who he doesn't pay to do so or

1099
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 8: employ to do so, or who don't feel beholden to

1100
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 8: him in some way. So I can see it being

1101
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 8: like this perfect cocktail that just makes him feel lonely isolated.

1102
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 8: This is my guest, lonely isolated, all on his own,

1103
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 8: with a lot of expectation from himself and from his

1104
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 8: fans and from other people, and a body that doesn't

1105
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 8: do what it used to do, and access to substances that.

1106
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 1: Can help with that, right, right, And that's I think

1107
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: that's the pattern, right that you see from time to time.

1108
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 1: As I mentioned, you know, he is, there's a collapse

1109
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: and then there's a comeback and we've got hope, and

1110
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: it just keeps repeating itself. And it's been going on

1111
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: multiple times with Tiger Woods. For those of us who

1112
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: aren't high level, world class athletes, which is almost all

1113
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 1: of us, probably all of us, what's the relationship between

1114
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: chronic physical pain and mental health deterioration, because that applies

1115
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: to all of us.

1116
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 4: It absolutely does apply to all of us.

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00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 8: The stress associated with chronic intractable pain increases really dramatically,

1118
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 8: the incidence of depression and anxiety and burnout in all

1119
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 8: of us. Our bodies are not designed to be in

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00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 8: chronic pain all the time, and our brains are not

1121
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 8: designed to manage chronic pain all the time. And many

1122
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 8: of the substances that we use to manage the pain

1123
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 8: also have mental and cognitive components to them. So opioids,

1124
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 8: for example, are highly addictive and so when our bodies

1125
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 8: are in such pain, everything is harder. If you think

1126
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 8: about we all wake up in the morning with a

1127
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 8: certain level of resource. There's a certain amount of gas

1128
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,439
Speaker 8: in our so to speak, and it varies day by day,

1129
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 8: but we all wake up with some gas in our tank.

1130
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 8: And if managing our bodies and our pain is taking

1131
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 8: most of the gas in our tank, then we don't

1132
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 8: really have a whole lot else left over for relationships,

1133
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 8: for productive work, for enjoyment of life, for any of

1134
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 8: the things that make life meaningful. And so it can

1135
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 8: start to feel as if all we do every day

1136
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 8: is grind through the pain, to go to sleep, to

1137
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 8: get up the next morning to grind through the pain again,

1138
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 8: and that can have extensive detrimental consequences on our mental

1139
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 8: well being.

1140
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Speaker 1: Yeah, at some point it STAPs me into a golf

1141
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: and it's a mental health emergency. I don't know. Yeah,

1142
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: Tiger WOODZS is in mental health crisis at this point,

1143
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't surprise me if he were.

1144
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 8: It wouldn't surprise me if he were either. The expectations

1145
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 8: on him are so high. People hang so much hope

1146
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 8: on him, and he has such high expectations for himself.

1147
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 8: And we all know that he did not have an

1148
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 8: easy childhood or an easy father growing up, so that

1149
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 8: certainly set him up for this belief that he is

1150
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 8: only as good as his last performance, and that his

1151
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 8: value is based on what he does, not who he

1152
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 8: is as a person. I'm speculating, I don't know, but

1153
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 8: that would be my guest. And his performance becomes his identity,

1154
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 8: and if his performance is struggling, or his body is

1155
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 8: failing him or making it difficult, then his identity is

1156
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 8: impacted versus I had a bad day.

1157
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 4: And you know, shrugging it off and moving on. It

1158
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 4: sits with him.

1159
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 8: The expectations he has and that we have for him

1160
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 8: are so high.

1161
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Speaker 1: Julie Hattish share our licensed mental health therapist. It's mental

1162
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: health money and the Scoonsland Show on seven hundred WW

1163
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: are talking about that Tiger Woods and of course another

1164
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: rollover accident, this time in Florida. OVI. Clearly he was

1165
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 1: under the influence of something, now alcohol but probably drugs

1166
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: related to his pain cycle and treating and hopes he's

1167
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: going to come back and play the Masters. He's got

1168
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: TGL going on, and now that everything there is on

1169
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: a full stop And it's almost like if you were

1170
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: to get his would you say, hey, listen, you've got

1171
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: to stop everything, and he get into some long term

1172
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: treatment program here to help you out. But you know again,

1173
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: the painkillers, though, allow him to get up and live

1174
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: his life. How do you deal without painkillers? That's the problem,

1175
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: isn't that well?

1176
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 8: I mean, they allow him to get up and live

1177
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 8: his athletic golf life. But what if it's time And

1178
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 8: I don't know, but what if it's time for him

1179
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,439
Speaker 8: to stop playing golf at that level? What if that's

1180
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 8: just not something that his body and his psyche can

1181
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 8: sustain anymore.

1182
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 4: What if he needs help distancing.

1183
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 8: Himself or entangling himself from his identity as a golfer

1184
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 8: and figuring out who he is as a person and

1185
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 8: a man without the game.

1186
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 4: Of golf at that level.

1187
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 8: Not that he can't go out and play on a

1188
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 8: weekend with friends, but he plays at such a high

1189
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 8: level and it's such a toll on his body.

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00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 4: It's what seven back surgeries.

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00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 8: Or something like that. That's a lot for a body

1192
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 8: to sustain. That's a lot of anesthesia, that's a lot

1193
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 8: of recovery, that's a lot of injury. And trauma for

1194
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 8: a body to sustain over and over again, not to

1195
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 8: mention what else.

1196
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 4: He's had to go through.

1197
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I could see where the addiction cycle just

1198
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: continues to grab on to him. Now, I will say

1199
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Speaker 1: at the Open here I mentioned it's a big golf

1200
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: weekend from Mental Healthy at Tiger Woods. Arrest on Friday.

1201
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: But Gary Woodland is a inspiring story. Here's a guy

1202
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: who had brain surgery, had lesions on his brain back

1203
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: two and a half three years ago, has surgery for that,

1204
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: and then had PTSD something awful to a point where

1205
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: he couldn't do anything. And he said, most recently felt

1206
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: like a thousand pounds of weight was lifted off his back.

1207
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: Yesterday he won the Houston Open, had won a tournament

1208
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: since twenty nineteen. And what a great story that is.

1209
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: PTSD is I normally you think, wow, it's soldiers and

1210
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: first line first responders and things like that. But let's

1211
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: run that down. The definition of PTSD.

1212
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: What is that?

1213
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: Where's it come from?

1214
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 4: Okay?

1215
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 8: So PTSD is defined by some hyperactive, hypervigilant behaviors as

1216
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 8: a result of trauma, and it can come from a

1217
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 8: number of different things. So what I read about Gary

1218
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 8: Woodland is in the year to eighteen months before he

1219
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 8: was diagnosed with the legions, he was having some really awful, frightening,

1220
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 8: debilitating physical symptoms and they couldn't figure out what it was.

1221
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 8: So he had all of this really terrible stuff going

1222
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 8: on with his body. It was traumatic. He was having seizures,

1223
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 8: he was having horrible nightmares, it was apparently it was

1224
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 8: just horrifying, and they didn't know what was going on.

1225
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 8: They didn't have any understanding or explanation of it. So

1226
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 8: that in and of itself is trauma. So post traumatic

1227
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 8: stress disorder is what we carry with us in the

1228
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 8: aftermath of trauma. Now, not everybody gets it, and the

1229
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 8: traumas that can cause it are different. Some people are

1230
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 8: more susceptible to it than other people. But it's characterized

1231
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 8: by four categories of symptoms. Intrusive, unwanted involuntary thoughts, Avoiding

1232
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 8: reminders of the trauma, so avoiding anything that might trigger

1233
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 8: a reminder of the trauma. Changes in thinking and mood,

1234
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 8: so your cognition changes, your brain goes fuzzy. And one

1235
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 8: of the things that I was reading about him was

1236
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 8: he forgot where he was when he was triggered on

1237
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 8: the golf course. Once he forgot for where he was,

1238
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 8: he forgot what he was supposed to do, so his

1239
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 8: brain went fuzzy. And people with PTSD either become hyper

1240
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 8: or hyper hypo aroused, so they either feel everything greatly

1241
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 8: or they get really numb, and they can taggle back

1242
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 8: and forth between those two things. So it's the body's

1243
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 8: response to a trauma that has already happened, and it's cognitive,

1244
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 8: it's emotional, and it's physical.

1245
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: All great, and that's tough to de find though what

1246
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: trauma is. What trauma is for you may not be

1247
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: for me, and vice versa. That's tough to find out

1248
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: what that is, Isn't that I mean, is there a

1249
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: certain threshold that meets to do to trigger PTSD.

1250
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 6: No.

1251
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 8: Actually, the way that we kind of think of trauma

1252
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 8: is it any event that outstrips our coping mechanisms. So

1253
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 8: any event that outstrips our ability to understand it and

1254
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:11,439
Speaker 8: cope with it can be traumatic. But some people are

1255
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 8: more resilient to the effects of trauma than other people are.

1256
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 8: So let's say there's a plane accident and there are

1257
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 8: survivors of the plane crash. Some people will carry PTSD

1258
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 8: from that, and other people will not. So it's not

1259
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 8: the event itself that necessarily creates the trauma. It's what people,

1260
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 8: the meaning people make of it, and the impact it

1261
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 8: has on them as individuals. So trauma can be a

1262
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 8: very individual thing. Seemingly small things can have a very

1263
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 8: large impact on someone. Seemingly large things can have a

1264
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 8: very small impact on someone. So it's visualized, but basically

1265
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 8: it is when an event outstrips your coping mechanisms and

1266
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 8: your ability to make sense of it.

1267
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: All right, So a plane crash that would be a

1268
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: huge trigger section will assault something like that, horrific accident PTSD, soldiers, cops, firefighters, medics,

1269
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: et cetera. That I all get those jobs, and there's PTSD,

1270
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: probably a lot of it on a on a pretty

1271
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: steady basis. When I was six years old, I asked

1272
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: my mom if I could have an extra cookie? Said, no,

1273
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: you fat bastard, you have had too many. Is that

1274
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: Do I get PTSD from that? That's kind of like

1275
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: not quite as serious as you know, in a shootout

1276
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: with a suspect, But I mean not getting a you know,

1277
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: a seleno butter cookie when you're six years old. That's

1278
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: pretty traumatic for a six year old. What do you

1279
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: make of that? Is that something? Do I got something

1280
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:38,439
Speaker 1: there to have a case?

1281
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 6: Do you?

1282
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 4: Absolutely do? I think I think kids should get cookies.

1283
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 8: But here's the thing. Let's take this seriously for a minute.

1284
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 8: Let's say that you got called a fat bastard and

1285
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 8: lots of other things, often by your family when you

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Speaker 8: were little. Yeah, that's traumatic. Okay, not getting the cookie

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Speaker 8: not traumatic. And I realize you're making a joke. But

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Speaker 8: that kind of environment where you are belittle demeaned, verbally

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Speaker 8: abused may be physically abused when you were young.

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Speaker 4: That can create PTSD.

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Speaker 8: That is a traumatic environment depending on your response to

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Speaker 8: it as an individual person, That can create PTSD later

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Speaker 8: in life for sure.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And everyone has that all true something they hold

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Speaker 1: on to sit. But that's everybody, doesn't everybody have what

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Speaker 1: the kids, these deadic kids, they call it microaggressions, right,

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Speaker 1: these little transgressions they add I guess they add it.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, if that's true, everybody's got PTSD, then no, no.

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Speaker 8: No, no, everybody has trauma. Everybody has some trauma in

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Speaker 8: their life. We all have some things that happened to

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Speaker 8: us that were more of what we needed or not

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Speaker 8: enough of what we needed. Everybody has that, but the

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Speaker 8: PTSD is very specific. Not all of us have intrusive

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Speaker 8: thoughts and memories and flashbacks of things that happen to us.

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Speaker 8: Not all of us avoid situations because they might trigger that.

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Speaker 8: So think about a war veteran avoiding forth of July

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Speaker 8: because of the fireworks triggering flashbacks to being under fire.

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Speaker 4: Most of us love fireworks. Some of us don't love fireworks.

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Speaker 8: But most of us don't avoid them because we're afraid

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Speaker 8: they're going to send us diving for cover under a table.

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Speaker 8: Most of us don't have thought and mood changes as

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Speaker 8: a result of what happened to us that one traumatic

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Speaker 8: event or a particularly traumatic childhood, and most of us

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Speaker 8: aren't either hypervigilant, which is what Gary Woodland reported being,

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Speaker 8: or numbed out completely, which is what many people report.

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Speaker 8: So PTSD is a response. It's not the trauma itself.

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Speaker 1: So the PTSD in Gary Woodland's case, when's the Houston

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Speaker 1: open yesterday? It's because of the brain tumor surgery he

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Speaker 1: had three years ago. Is a surgery trigger for a

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Speaker 1: lot of people?

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Speaker 8: Well, yes, it can be and I think it's a

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Speaker 8: couple of things. So first of all, as I understood it,

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Speaker 8: what I read, the surgery was very close to his amygdala,

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Speaker 8: and the migdala is the smoke alarm of our brain.

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Speaker 8: It is the fire sensor of our brain. It lets

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Speaker 8: us know when something is going wrong. Some people have

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Speaker 8: very sensitive smoke alarms. Some people have less sensitive smoke alarms.

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Speaker 8: But they also left part of the lesion in the

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Speaker 8: brain because they didn't want to impact his motor function

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Speaker 8: or his vision. So he still has a little part

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Speaker 8: of that pushing on the amygdala in his brain. But

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Speaker 8: I also think that the PTSD, as I read it,

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Speaker 8: was from all of the stuff that led up to

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Speaker 8: the diagnosis.

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Speaker 4: And what a horrific time he had over.

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Speaker 8: That twelve to eighteen months before he got the diagnosis

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Speaker 8: and the surgery and understood what was going on. And

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Speaker 8: so that was a terribly traumatic event. He wasn't sure

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Speaker 8: he was going to live half the time. He really

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Speaker 8: was afraid he was dying, much less be able to

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Speaker 8: play golf again or you know, raise his children and

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Speaker 8: be a husband to his wife. And then the surgery

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Speaker 8: and they left of the part of what they found

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Speaker 8: because they didn't want to take it all in, as

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Speaker 8: I said, in pair's vision or his motor skills. And

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Speaker 8: so he still has a little bit of this brain

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Speaker 8: lesion pressing on his amygdala. And if the amygdala is

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Speaker 8: the smoke alarm of the brain, then he is hyper

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Speaker 8: sensitive to things that other people wouldn't even notice. So

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Speaker 8: as I was reading, somebody walked behind him and he

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Speaker 8: was hyper sensitive to that. But the other thing is,

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Speaker 8: once that smoke alarm goes off, it's really hard to

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Speaker 8: shut it down again. So once he's triggered with that,

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Speaker 8: he can't just shake it off. He can't just say, oh,

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Speaker 8: you know, that was just somebody walking behind me, no

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Speaker 8: big deal. He needs to go through a process and

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Speaker 8: he's just I think, still learning how to do that

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Speaker 8: to calm himself down, reground himself, recenter himself, and keep

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Speaker 8: going forward.

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Speaker 4: And he's been dealing with.

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Speaker 8: This on his own for years without telling anybody other

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Speaker 8: than his family and his physicians. So now I think

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Speaker 8: the tour is making accommodations for him, and his fellow

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Speaker 8: players are and the fans are more aware of it

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Speaker 8: of late, and so I think it will become easier

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Speaker 8: for him and easier to deal with the triggering in

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Speaker 8: the hyper arousal and the hypervigilance that he is experiencing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotcha. And by the way, Spring is here

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Speaker 1: just a reminder to change the battery on your amygdala

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Speaker 1: so it doesn't cause those triggers. Yes, yeah, yes, Julie

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Speaker 1: Hatter share our license mental health there. Well, that's a

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Speaker 1: great story because he goes and he puts all the

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Speaker 1: PTSD in the surgery behind him and goes and wins

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Speaker 1: a tournament. It goes to show you the therapy works.

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Speaker 4: Yes, therapy works. Treatment works.

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Speaker 8: There is a way out of the hell that is PTSD.

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Speaker 8: There really is, and there are multiple there are multiple

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Speaker 8: paths to take to do that. But it does require

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Speaker 8: getting help consistently. And he still works at it. I mean,

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Speaker 8: it's what I was reading. He still works at it

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Speaker 8: every day. Sundays are easier and Sundays are harder. And

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Speaker 8: so it's not a one and done. It's not a

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Speaker 8: you don't flip a switch. It's going to be a

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Speaker 8: constant in his life in various ways for the rest

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Speaker 8: of his life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Julie hat to share our licensed mental health expert.

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Speaker 1: She's on the show every Monday. It's Mental Health Monday.

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Speaker 1: A clever name that is here too. And you are

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Speaker 1: an event coming up too, right I do.

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Speaker 4: I'm kind of excited about it.

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Speaker 8: In the middle of May, May fifteenth and sixteenth, I'm

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Speaker 8: going to be doing a relationship skills boot camp for

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Speaker 8: people individuals or couples who want to improve their relationships.

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Speaker 8: They want things to get better between themselves and their partner,

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Speaker 8: or they want themselves to be better for the next

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Speaker 8: relationship that comes their way. It's going to be two days.

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Speaker 8: It's going to be nine to five on a Friday

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Speaker 8: and a Saturday. It's at this really cool place in

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Speaker 8: Blue ash which is easily accessible right across from Sunnock Park,

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Speaker 8: and I'm going to be downloading over the two days

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Speaker 8: all the best stuff I know about how to be

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Speaker 8: healthy in a relationship to no no more than eighteen

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Speaker 8: or twenty people showing up. So it's going to be small,

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Speaker 8: an intimate, and there's going to be a lot of

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Speaker 8: room for practice and for really good conversation and discussion.

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Speaker 8: And I'm going to make it really fun because I

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Speaker 8: make everything really you really do.

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Speaker 1: I think if you've listened to segment for any time

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Speaker 1: you know Julie brings the fun wagon with her too,

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Speaker 1: so this won't suck.

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Speaker 4: No, okay, at least I'm hoping it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I hope it doesn't suck. People want to

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Speaker 1: go or they're interested worded, Where do you.

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Speaker 8: Click be Connected dot care, be Connected the letter b

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Speaker 8: connected dot care and up at the top there's a

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Speaker 8: link for boot camp. Click on that and it'll give

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Speaker 8: you everything you need to know about it.

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Speaker 4: I'd love to have some of.

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Speaker 1: Our listeners there absolutely, and if you miss that, you

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Speaker 1: can email or hey Julie at be Connected dot care

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Speaker 1: And if you've got idea maybe for a future segment

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Speaker 1: there as well. Have a great week. We'll talk again

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Speaker 1: next Monday morning.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yep, perfect, thanks, appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: There you go check out the boot camp if you will.

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Speaker 1: Let me get a news update in here in just

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Speaker 1: about four minutes, very latest on what's happening around the world.

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Speaker 1: He is behind a statewide petition to kill data centers

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Speaker 1: in Ohio. They want to be in all over the place,

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Speaker 1: especially in the rural counties. Health Cincinnati even said we

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Speaker 1: don't want them till we figure out what the story is.

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Speaker 1: The legislature's way behind on this, but they have started

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Speaker 1: a petition and are looking for your signatures to put

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Speaker 1: limits on data center. Some say the limits will kill

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Speaker 1: data centers. Details next seven hundred WWD Cincinnati, Do you

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Speaker 1: want to be an American?

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Speaker 3: Indian?

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Speaker 1: Flowing on seven hundred ww SOO A group of residents,

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Speaker 1: concerned residents see these data centers come and they're coming

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Speaker 1: all over the place and said, let's puck the brakes

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Speaker 1: a little bit on this. They just cleared a major

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Speaker 1: hurdle to get it on your ballot in November. And

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Speaker 1: from Ohio Residence for responsor to Alex Schaefer's back on

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Speaker 1: the show. Alex, congratulations, first of all, because Attorney General

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Speaker 1: yos just certified your petition and there are five residents

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Speaker 1: you're one of them, but you're part of the movement

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Speaker 1: to banned data centers using more than twenty five megawatts

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Speaker 1: a month and now moves on to the Ohio ballot

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Speaker 1: board to determine if it qualifies as a single ballot issue.

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Speaker 1: It looks good so far. For those maybe hearing your

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Speaker 1: voice for the first time because you've been it a

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Speaker 1: few times, welcome back. Why did you wind up getting

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Speaker 1: involved in.

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Speaker 9: This Scott, Good morning to you in the tri State.

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Speaker 9: I wanted to get involved in this, you know, as

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Speaker 9: someone that loves Adams County. My grandparents grew up here,

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Speaker 9: my mother grew up here, and they immigrated here from Lithuania,

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Speaker 9: and you know, the amount of passion and the pride

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Speaker 9: and beauty that we have here in Adams County is

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Speaker 9: absolutely phenomenal. And you know, as part of my campaign

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Speaker 9: for the County Commissioner, I don't want to see irresponsible

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Speaker 9: development come into the county, which unfortunately is been the

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Speaker 9: history of what we've seen here the last couple of

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Speaker 9: years with NDAs and LAFE of Transparency and so this

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Speaker 9: is all about transparency and responsible development for the residents

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Speaker 9: of Adams County and now the state.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So the twenty five megawatt cap would effectively block

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Speaker 1: most modern data centers in today's AI driven facilities need

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Speaker 1: what about two hundred megawatts? Why why that number in particular,

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Speaker 1: because I think when we first talked, or at least

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Speaker 1: the first few times we spoke, Alex, he said, hey, listen,

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Speaker 1: we don't want we don't want to eliminate data centers

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Speaker 1: because we realized it's the future we all use the

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Speaker 1: we all use them in some way, shape or form.

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Speaker 1: I keep mentioning the average American has twenty one devices

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Speaker 1: that they used, maybe not at all the same time,

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Speaker 1: but we all use data and so acknowledging that this

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Speaker 1: feels like, well, it would be a ban on data centers.

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Speaker 1: Am I wrong?

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Speaker 2: No? And that's the thing.

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Speaker 9: The twenty five cap figure was given actually based on

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Speaker 9: looking at comparables you know, nationally, but more so specifically

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Speaker 9: here in Ohio about legislation that the state legislators had

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Speaker 9: proposed in a bill themselves looking at utility usage in

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Speaker 9: regards to that twenty five megawatt figure. So from our standpoint,

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Speaker 9: the way we had constructed this, you know, amendment proposed

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Speaker 9: amendment is to say, we need data centers as part

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Speaker 9: of our society, but what we don't want is to

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Speaker 9: become a dumping ground for tech, and that, unfortunately, is

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Speaker 9: what we have become with these hyper scale data centers

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Speaker 9: popping up in rural Ohio and residents having you know,

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Speaker 9: the wool pull it overneath are on there above their head,

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Speaker 9: I'm sorry in the morning over there. So you know,

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Speaker 9: it's about responsibility and it's about also taking accountability in

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Speaker 9: relation to the actions or inactions that are state legislatures

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Speaker 9: are undergoing, and it's.

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Speaker 1: Happening all over You know, you're in Adams County. I'm

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Speaker 1: a Brown County, a small village there is going through

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Speaker 1: so the NDAs. We're just seeing it in mountal We're

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Speaker 1: seeing it all over the place in Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio,

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01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: but in particular Ohio because we're fifth in the nation

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01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 1: and data center builds and we've got a bunch more

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01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 1: that are trying to get online as we speak. This

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01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 1: would certainly slow things down. But at twenty five megawatts,

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01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 1: I would think that an operator w go, well, it's

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01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 1: not worth it putting in Ohio. I'll go somewhere else.

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01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 1: Should we I mean, should we have some of these

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01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 1: in our backyard? I mean yeah, I guess. It is

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01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: not a lot of jobs, for sure. It doesn't take

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01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,120
Speaker 1: many people to operate a data center. It's a other

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01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 1: than maybe people to service and construction workers alike, which

1512
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: are great paying jobs for sure, and the maintenance on

1513
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 1: them is going to continue to pay dividends. But at

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01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 1: the end of the day, if I'm opening one of

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01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 1: these places, I wouldn't be looking at Ohio. If you

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01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: cap me at twenty five bagwats.

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01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 9: Exactly, and I think that's that's where we have to

1518
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 9: look at the development. And this has been spurred by

1519
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 9: sluggishness from estate legislators and being proactive compared to other

1520
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 9: states and looking at a master framework for Ohio rather

1521
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 9: than chasing what is the next big boom that we

1522
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,799
Speaker 9: want to be a part of. But is that boom

1523
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 9: responsible for the residents of Ohio long term? And when

1524
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 9: we are literally dumping these energy consumers in rural America

1525
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 9: to where we're not getting the number of jobs, we

1526
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 9: are straining our energy grid, we are affecting land values,

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01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 9: we are forcing residents to leave areas where they love,

1528
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 9: and we don't know the true long term health and

1529
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 9: environmental effects of these data centers because we're within kind

1530
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 9: of that twenty year timeframe of when they actually at

1531
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 9: first started to appear in America. We have to step

1532
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 9: back at the society in a bipartisan way and say

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01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 9: what is the best thing for not only ourselves, but

1534
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 9: our kids and our grandchildren, and how we want to

1535
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:26,879
Speaker 9: see Ohio moving forward.

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01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: At the same time, now they're limited jobs, but there's

1537
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 1: significant tax benefits to these things. How granted a dran

1538
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 1: an environment. A concern is the water, the concern is

1539
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:37,560
Speaker 1: the electricity and what it takes and the footprint of

1540
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: these things. But at the same time, we're getting a

1541
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 1: hell of out of tax revenue from these things that

1542
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:43,759
Speaker 1: we don't want to see go to another state.

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01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 9: Well actually, currently right now, we are not seeing any

1544
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 9: sales tax in relation to hardware that is purchased by

1545
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,719
Speaker 9: these data centers at a there was another bill proposed

1546
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:59,679
Speaker 9: this week to basically repeal that. And then in relation

1547
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 9: to the actual development of these data centers, most of

1548
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 9: them have run off of one hundred percent TIFFs and

1549
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 9: most of them have run off an additional cr credit.

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01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 9: So here in Adamscunty specifically, it was looking at a

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01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 9: fifteen year fifty percent CRA and a one hundred percent TIFTS.

1552
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:20,600
Speaker 9: So when we actually look at long term, what is

1553
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 9: the taxable infrastructure value that we're providing to the community,

1554
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 9: separate from the job, separate from the land value. If

1555
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 9: you look at across Ohio and you look at across

1556
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 9: the country, the numbers simply do not support the.

1557
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 2: Position of the Coalition.

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01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 3: For Data centers. It simply doesn't.

1559
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 1: Can we change that legally though, so we wind up

1560
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: getting clawing more money back. That's something the legislature could

1561
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:45,520
Speaker 1: take up, couldn't.

1562
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 9: It clawbacks verse actual you know, implementation and effective dates.

1563
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 9: I don't think there's any way that you would be

1564
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:56,759
Speaker 9: able to quote unquote claw back money if you will.

1565
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 1: But in tax use your development, I mean we're we're.

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01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 9: Still in use, yeah, absolutely, taxing future development. You know,

1567
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 9: in one of the bills actually that was proposed by

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01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 9: the legislature in Ohio and.

1569
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 2: The first version which was.

1570
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 9: Removed and it actually had passed going on to the

1571
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 9: Senate now was there was a moratorium in place in Ohio.

1572
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 9: So we have multiple different pieces of bills right now

1573
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 9: in Ohio where we are looking to study these things

1574
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 9: provide you know, caps on tax incentives, water output and consumption,

1575
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 9: electrical consumption. But at the same point in time that

1576
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 9: allows these developers and these community economic development directors to

1577
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 9: continue to try and slam these data centers into Ohio.

1578
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 9: And I can tell you after being at a conference

1579
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 9: this week and in Columbus, the Ohio Economic Development Association.

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01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 2: That is essentially their mindset. They're very well aware of

1581
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:54,759
Speaker 2: the legislation.

1582
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:57,719
Speaker 9: That's going on in Ohio. But they are their goal

1583
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 9: in their their their focus right now is continuing to

1584
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:02,720
Speaker 9: push these projects through despite that.

1585
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 1: Alex Schaefer is here, he's part of a group well

1586
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: high residents and responsible development as the ones that brought

1587
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 1: this to the Attorney General's office. So in November it

1588
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:15,759
Speaker 1: looks like we could get a referendum on the ballots

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01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 1: that essentially would kill data centers in Ohio because it

1590
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 1: would limit them to using more than no more than

1591
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 1: twenty five megawatts of electricity a month. And these things

1592
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 1: are two hundred plus, which is the size of a

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01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,640
Speaker 1: small town and only getting bigger for sure. And the

1594
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 1: other side of this thing, Alex, though, is the concern

1595
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 1: over national security. We all want to continue America and

1596
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 1: to be independent obviously too. But if we have another

1597
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 1: growing number of states and simply say we don't want

1598
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 1: these data centers here, don't they just build them in China?

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01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 9: So I think with the data center argument regarding national security,

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01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 9: and this is something I had brought up, if we're

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01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 9: truly looking at a national security issue, then the federal

1602
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 9: government needs to start throwing their weight around and weigh in. Yes,

1603
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 9: need to step in, and they need to say what

1604
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:06,799
Speaker 9: is a responsible pathway for development for our entire country

1605
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 9: moving forward, and where and how we want to see

1606
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 9: these hyper scale data centers moving forward. But right now

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01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 9: we don't have that because they are spreading out all

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01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 9: over the country. And when that does happen and they

1609
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 9: are all over the country, you have different state laws

1610
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 9: that take into effect, different municipal laws that take into effect.

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01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 9: So even if we are, you know, in putting in

1612
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 9: data centers that deal with national security right now, what

1613
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 9: real authority does the federal government have if they're not

1614
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 9: exercising that at this standpoint.

1615
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: No question. And we've seen this before and it's typical

1616
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 1: of the system as they tend to be reactive when

1617
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 1: it's business or something that's groundbreaking like this, are always

1618
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 1: behind it and it takes forever to explain to these

1619
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 1: eighty year olds and they're what a data center is,

1620
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 1: what AI is. That's part of the problem too, and

1621
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 1: so it's lagging right. It takes some time to develop

1622
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,719
Speaker 1: and do the research, and so there are numbers bills

1623
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:00,719
Speaker 1: that would deal with this. I one of the couple

1624
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,680
Speaker 1: at least in the state House here in Ohio and

1625
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 1: federally they're working out it as well, so it always

1626
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 1: takes time for them to catch up to what the

1627
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 1: current zeitgeists in this case AI and particularly data centers ALEX.

1628
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 1: So you know at some point legislation will come. How

1629
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 1: we just went through this with the THHD drink band,

1630
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 1: where you know, the the craft breweries who are starting

1631
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:23,759
Speaker 1: to get a little decline in craft beer have discovered

1632
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 1: THHC and fused beverages, and we just ban those. The

1633
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 1: governor just said, I don't like them. I don't think

1634
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:32,520
Speaker 1: anyone should drink them, because you know, it's a theocracy anyway.

1635
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 1: He essentially bam vetoed this thing. They struck it down

1636
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:38,600
Speaker 1: and you can't buy him in Ohio anymore. But I

1637
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 1: mean that again, it shows you how business is hamstrung

1638
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: by government. The government should be reacting to this and

1639
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 1: putting policies in place that protect the land and protect

1640
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 1: your interests there in Adams, but also in Brown County

1641
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: and many others. Is opposed to just letting them run

1642
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 1: rush out, and then what happens is we come up

1643
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 1: with a conscial amendment that kills all this stuff, and

1644
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 1: nobody wins in that. I don't think are you completely

1645
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:04,719
Speaker 1: one hundred percent against any data centers going in despite

1646
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 1: the twenty five mega want limit.

1647
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 9: You want, no, we need data centers in society. My

1648
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 9: company uses data centers on a daily basis, and I

1649
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 9: think that's the underlying frustration that we have here right now.

1650
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 9: And we've been a prime example of that in Atoms,

1651
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 9: where the citizens have been voicing their frustrations over this

1652
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 9: for months. Brown County residents have been voicing their frustration

1653
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 9: for months. The City of Cincinnati has enacted the moratorium

1654
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:33,640
Speaker 9: on data center. So when we look at then, you know,

1655
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 9: our leaders in terms of our elected officials, in return,

1656
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 9: in terms of our contracted partners that they utilize for development,

1657
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 9: and none of these individuals are listening to the residents

1658
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 9: and listening to the concerns on the ground, and they're

1659
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 9: in their ivory towers and their mindset is just to

1660
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 9: continue to push these things in. We inherently have a gap,

1661
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 9: and the residents are making their effort and trying to

1662
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:04,600
Speaker 9: voice their conns. But when the underlying motivation from the

1663
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 9: government officials and these developers is to keep pushing these

1664
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 9: things in. Unfortunately, this is the predicament that you get

1665
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 9: yourselfs in.

1666
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 1: Okay, So now the real work begins here, and that

1667
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 1: is collecting all of these signatures. You need about four

1668
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 1: hundred and I think four hundred thousand plus.

1669
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 2: Roughly four hundred and thirteen four.

1670
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 1: Thirteen, that's the number there too, So you'd have to

1671
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 1: collect what roughly seven eight hundred thousand in order to

1672
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 1: be safe.

1673
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 9: And of those, it's basically ten percent of the votes

1674
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 9: in the landscubernatorial race in Ohio from twenty twenty two,

1675
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 9: and then of that, you know, five percent needs to

1676
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 9: come from forty four out of the eighty Ohio county

1677
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 9: So right now we have essentially thirty county captains assigned

1678
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 9: that would oversee their counties and they're working on the

1679
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 9: volunteer committees.

1680
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 2: I believe this.

1681
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 9: Week a ballot issue political action campaign is going to

1682
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:02,680
Speaker 9: be started. Interesting in Lee and Ohio. There is no

1683
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:08,520
Speaker 9: cap on contributions to a ballot issue political action committee

1684
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 9: to anyone out there listening, and then you know, from there,

1685
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 9: we're definitely working on putting the framework in place on

1686
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 9: how we're going to handle the signature portion and election

1687
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,560
Speaker 9: day in May to get a large portion of those signatures,

1688
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:27,080
Speaker 9: you know. So things are developing very rapidly and very quickly,

1689
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 9: and the amount of support that we've seeing around the

1690
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 9: state is truly, truly overwhelming.

1691
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, the easy easier part, I guess I should say

1692
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 1: nothing about this is easy, but would be Cleveland, Columbus,

1693
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 1: Cincinnati to you know the date in the big cities,

1694
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 1: bigger cities anyway, But out in rural areas where you are,

1695
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 1: which is most of Ohio, that takes a lot more

1696
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 1: work because people are more scattered, it.

1697
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:49,679
Speaker 3: Takes more work.

1698
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:53,719
Speaker 9: So what we have is a prime opportunity right now

1699
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 9: with the primary elections on May fifth coming up, and

1700
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 9: in addition, in these rural areas, a lot of the

1701
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 9: political activism, if you will accourage via word amount because

1702
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 9: people it's in a small community. People talk people out,

1703
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 9: personal experiences. So even if you look at the amount

1704
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 9: of signatures that we were able to gather, you know,

1705
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 9: the last few weeks from the rural areas, mainly in

1706
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 9: southwest Ohio, you know, our boots on the Grand campaign

1707
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:27,679
Speaker 9: has been working at gaining interaction and more importantly, now

1708
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:32,440
Speaker 9: it is evidently clear across the state people are overwhelmingly

1709
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 9: concerned about this issue and want to have a stake

1710
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 9: in it.

1711
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:39,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, makes sense, So people out there collecting the signatures,

1712
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 1: you up till July first to get this, and there's

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Speaker 1: a few more hurdles to jump in this discuss. The

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Speaker 1: other thing too, is are you going to have pushback

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01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:50,759
Speaker 1: then from the state because Governor Mike DeWine is hanging

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01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 1: his hat on this and wanting to put data centers

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01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 1: in He's champion them for years. Republican lawmakers handed out

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01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 1: billions and tax breaks in this industry, and now maybe

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01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 1: they're pumping the breaks have And second thoughts, I'm not

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01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 1: quite sure what do you make all that plus all

1721
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 1: the money that these big companies and we're talking the

1722
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 1: Amazons of the world are going to be throwing at

1723
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 1: this campaign to make sure that people vote in support

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01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: of data centers as opposed to what with you guys

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01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 1: are doing, Alex, Is this a winnable I mean, you

1726
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Speaker 1: get on the ballot, But the problem is it's just

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01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:23,680
Speaker 1: grassroots versus all that money in politics. Does that frighten.

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Speaker 9: You well, because we would expect pushback from the state

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01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 9: and also from big tech, which is inherently why we're.

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Speaker 2: Here right now.

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Speaker 9: And you know, when we also look at again valid

1732
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 9: issues with the political action campaigns, you know, based on

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01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 9: the contributions that we would receive. That is the standpoint

1734
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 9: of Then we're looking at getting paid circulators to gather

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01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 9: the petitions and actually get more of a modernized movement going.

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01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,759
Speaker 9: But if you look at the underlying, you know, drive

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01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 9: of people here, it's about protecting their land in Ohio.

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01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 9: And from my standpoint, if you had to ask me,

1739
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 9: would I rather side with big tech and the government

1740
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 9: or our residents here in Ohio that are so prideful

1741
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 9: of their land, so prideful where they're from and then

1742
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 9: wanting to protect that in a responsible way, I'm going

1743
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 9: to go with the residents of Ohio.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, all right, So look for people asking

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01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 1: for your signature. It's a very important issue data centers

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01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 1: in and around Ohio. Alex Schaeffer, thanks again for jumping

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01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 1: on the show. Brother, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 9: Scott, thank you very much. Thank you to the Tri

1749
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 9: State area again for you allowing us to voice what's

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01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 9: going on here in Adams and now the state on

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01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:38,679
Speaker 9: seven hundred.

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01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: Wow, you appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 1: Be well. And it's not just Adams County, of course,

1755
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 1: it's all the other counties in Ohio, especially the rural

1756
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 1: ones where we're looking at data centers in Cincinnati for

1757
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:51,559
Speaker 1: that matter, where they declared that moratorium on this stuff

1758
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:54,280
Speaker 1: until the legislature gets in and comes up with a plan.

1759
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:56,240
Speaker 1: We need to study, we need a plan. What's taken

1760
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 1: so long. Let's get after it. But you know, this

1761
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 1: is the same government, granted that the state, the federal

1762
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 1: that can't even pay tsa workers. So it feels like

1763
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 1: sometimes hope has left the building. We'll get a time

1764
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 1: out in and news is coming up in just minutes

1765
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,679
Speaker 1: and Jeff Carr is here. We'll get some good news

1766
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 1: because the Reds have won their first series of the season,

1767
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 1: and it feels like, I don't know, it feels like

1768
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:21,559
Speaker 1: twenty years. It's probably not true, but it just feels

1769
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 1: like they don't win series until they're either out of

1770
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 1: it or late in the season.

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Speaker 2: I make it.

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01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 1: And now out of the blocks, you take two or

1773
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 1: three from Boston. How we looking pretty good? Pretty damn good?

1774
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 1: Just ahead Jeff Carr from Lockdown. Reds will wrap up

1775
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 1: the first weekend of Major League Baseball here in Cincinnati,

1776
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 1: Ohio on the Scotsland Show seven hundred Wilda. How about

1777
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 1: something positive I about those Red Leagues taking two to

1778
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 1: three from the Socks to open up the year. We've

1779
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 1: got a rookie already making history. I think a lock

1780
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:53,639
Speaker 1: right now for Rookie of the Year after the first series.

1781
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 1: And a guy who's in pitching the big leagues and

1782
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:58,599
Speaker 1: what five hundred and something days looks like? He never left?

1783
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 1: Who got a guy who lives in breeze the roster

1784
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 1: every single day? The only daily Reds podcast, Jeff Carr

1785
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 1: locked on Red's Welcome Back Son, How we doin?

1786
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 2: That was a great first weekend Sloany.

1787
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 6: After opening Day, everybody was worried.

1788
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 2: But I was so happy to see that they battled

1789
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 2: back to that series.

1790
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 1: Well, it's very Cincinnati. If you win the first game

1791
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 1: of the season and opening because it's so big, you're

1792
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 1: going to the World Series. If you lose, the team's

1793
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 1: going to hell. We're not gonna be able to do anything.

1794
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:27,640
Speaker 1: We can't get everyone away. We're not gonna make it.

1795
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna be mathematically eliminated by the All

1796
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:32,599
Speaker 1: Star break. You know, it's either really really high. We're

1797
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 1: very manic in that regard. Two wins final two games

1798
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 1: after being shut on an opening day. What's the most

1799
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:42,560
Speaker 1: important takeaway from you that you saw in this opening series.

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Speaker 6: Jet, I think it's overall that the lineup is better,

1801
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 6: and we saw two different reasons why. On Saturday it

1802
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 6: was the middle of the lineup between McClain, Ellie and

1803
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 6: south Stewart just all going off. They were constantly complimenting

1804
01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:00,560
Speaker 6: each other with hits here and there and Homer's everywhere.

1805
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:04,680
Speaker 6: And then on Sunday it was the one thing that

1806
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 6: they brought a eu Haniu Suarez in here to do.

1807
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 2: Sure, people are.

1808
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 6: Going to belabor the batting average, people are going to

1809
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 6: talk about the strikeouts, and as we heard on both

1810
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:17,600
Speaker 6: broadcasts at different point throughout the weekend, he left a

1811
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 6: small army on base in the first two games. But

1812
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 6: it's that one swing that he can deliver in a

1813
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 6: key moment when things just aren't quite going the reds

1814
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 6: way and flip the script because the Red lineup was

1815
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,639
Speaker 6: pretty much shut out. I mean, I actually shut out

1816
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 6: the rest of the game except for au Haneu swars

1817
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 6: one swing for three runs and they get the win,

1818
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 6: and that's why he's here.

1819
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 1: Well exactly, I mean everyone was excited, Hey, forty nine

1820
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 1: Horme runs last year. But if you extrapolate that, that's

1821
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:50,679
Speaker 1: about what this would look like right game right.

1822
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:53,480
Speaker 2: Exactly.

1823
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 6: And really the way that this lineup was able to

1824
01:29:57,080 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 6: put things together looked different from last year because we

1825
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 6: constantly heard, well, you got a string hits together, single single,

1826
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 6: single death by a thousand customers, that's how this offense

1827
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:09,719
Speaker 6: is going to work. But there were multiple different ways,

1828
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 6: but it showed over the weekend how it can be

1829
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:14,719
Speaker 6: the team. And make no mistake about it, the pitchers

1830
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 6: that Threads faced from Boston are supposed to be really

1831
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:21,840
Speaker 6: good and connolly early in Sunny Grade, So I'm I'm

1832
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 6: happy with the fact that they faced the high level

1833
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 6: of competition and they rose to the challenge.

1834
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 1: Sales Stewart's already making history as a rookie. How good

1835
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 1: can he actually be? Is there really succeeding you put

1836
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:35,760
Speaker 1: on him? Because we know that typically what happens is

1837
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 1: you go hot like this and then after a handful

1838
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 1: of games, the league catches up. They got a book

1839
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 1: on you. Okay, they start pitching it different. Then you

1840
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 1: have to up your game a little bit. What do

1841
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 1: you see how this plays out for Sales Stewart how

1842
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 1: many years will it be? In thirty years, will he

1843
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:51,640
Speaker 1: putting a buying a clock and putting it up in

1844
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 1: front of Great American Ballpark like our last like our

1845
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 1: last rookie.

1846
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 6: I put no pressure on anybody to be Joey Vado,

1847
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 6: I'll say that. But when I do look at South Stewart,

1848
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:04,559
Speaker 6: I see a lot of things that can translate to

1849
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 6: a really, really good season. They're going to be a

1850
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:10,759
Speaker 6: seven hundred average season, probably not that has ever happened before,

1851
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 6: but he can easily bat somewhere north of two seventy

1852
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 6: five two eighty. And then we're talking about a guy

1853
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 6: who should be around that five hundred range for slugging,

1854
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 6: and that's going to be so key. That's what the

1855
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 6: Reds need in the middle of this lineup, and that's

1856
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:30,720
Speaker 6: what Peedo seasoned him. But the other thing that is

1857
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,519
Speaker 6: added to this and is very clear, is that his

1858
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 6: patience at the plate knows no bounds, because especially on

1859
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 6: Saturday and Sunday, Boston pitchers we're really trying to work

1860
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:44,639
Speaker 6: around him and trying to dare him to chase pitches

1861
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 6: high low out in no matter where they were, they

1862
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 6: weren't in the strike zone and he was. He was

1863
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:52,719
Speaker 6: fine to just say, look, I'm waiting on my pitch.

1864
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 6: You didn't give it to me, I'll take my base.

1865
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 6: He had no qualms about being patient at the plate,

1866
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 6: and I think for me, that is the biggest takeaway

1867
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 6: I had of his game all weekend is that even

1868
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 6: though he's a rook with just about a month in

1869
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 6: the major leagues, more than you and I, he looked

1870
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:12,720
Speaker 6: as though he has been there for so long and

1871
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 6: his game is going to translate all season long with

1872
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 6: that type of play discipline.

1873
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, and who knows. I mean, he keeps

1874
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 1: us up at this pace and even if he settles

1875
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 1: down a little bit, good lord, Rookie of the Year MVP,

1876
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 1: I'll rolled in the one.

1877
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:30,360
Speaker 6: Yeah. I think that Terry Francona would even probably tell

1878
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 6: you that was just like, you know, Rookie of the

1879
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 6: Year sounds nice, But he has higher aspirations than that.

1880
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 2: And if you heard Sal.

1881
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:39,559
Speaker 6: Stewart talk at Redsfest and stuff like that, I don't

1882
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:41,680
Speaker 6: even know that individual accolades.

1883
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 2: Matter to him. He's like, I want to win. I

1884
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:45,759
Speaker 2: want this team to advance in the postseason.

1885
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,720
Speaker 6: Because whenever he was asked about you know, getting his

1886
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:51,639
Speaker 6: first postseason action in his very first season, very first

1887
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 6: taste in the major leagues. He was like, well, you know,

1888
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 6: that was nice and all, but I want to win,

1889
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 6: and that's what they're looking for.

1890
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:00,559
Speaker 1: And when now is a rookie's that's awesome, right Louder

1891
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 1: hasn't pitching like a year and a half. He goes

1892
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 1: five innings in his first start, has the lead. That's

1893
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 1: pretty damn encouraging. The guy has been on the bench

1894
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:12,559
Speaker 1: that long, rehab that long. It looks so damn good,

1895
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 1: almost like mid season form, if you will this weekend.

1896
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:21,479
Speaker 6: He is my favorite kind of pitcher. He's a thinking

1897
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:24,360
Speaker 6: man's pitcher. It's not just he can rare back and

1898
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:26,240
Speaker 6: throw one hundred miles an hour when he needs to.

1899
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:30,560
Speaker 6: It's more so ninety five ninety six. But he locates

1900
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:34,679
Speaker 6: everything with just about the precision that you would expect

1901
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 6: from a guy that he has pitched all of his career.

1902
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:40,760
Speaker 6: He was a guy that after the Reds drafted him

1903
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:42,599
Speaker 6: and he showed up in Dayton, I got a chance

1904
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:44,600
Speaker 6: to interview him a little bit and he said, you know,

1905
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 6: even from day one, I recognize that I couldn't throw

1906
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:50,920
Speaker 6: as hard as other players, and so I had to

1907
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 6: outthink the hitter from high school all the way through

1908
01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:56,280
Speaker 6: college and all the way up to this point. And

1909
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 6: so I think that we're going to see that every

1910
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 6: time he's on the mound, he's going to have a

1911
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:03,679
Speaker 6: shot that that's a really good game because he knows

1912
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 6: he's got four great pitches that he can work with,

1913
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:08,800
Speaker 6: he can locate them all around the strike zone as

1914
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 6: he needs to, and he can really face down an

1915
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:16,839
Speaker 6: opposing lineup that I mean, he struck out Roman Anthony twice, yeah, yesterday,

1916
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:19,840
Speaker 6: and Roman Anthony just absolutely did whatever he wanted in

1917
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 6: the first two games. So that was super encouraging to

1918
01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 6: see that a guy like britt Lauder was so little

1919
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:28,640
Speaker 6: major league experience, was able to affect the game so

1920
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:30,920
Speaker 6: very keenly.

1921
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, make it up. That's why it works.

1922
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Speaker 1: He is Jeff carrl Lockdown, Red's only daily Reds podcast,

1923
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 1: chopping up this past weekend, opening weekend in Cincinnati with

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Speaker 1: the Boys come out of victorious, taking all but one

1925
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:46,680
Speaker 1: game and the home opener. Who cares, We won the

1926
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:51,040
Speaker 1: last two Pittsburgh in town tonight and the season continues.

1927
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Speaker 2: I think it's.

1928
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:55,600
Speaker 1: Interesting, you know that the debate over what Terry Francone

1929
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:58,200
Speaker 1: gets you, and many would argue that the reason they

1930
01:34:58,240 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 1: made the playoffs because of the moves he made with

1931
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 1: personnellity had. I think moving Chase Burns away from Boston

1932
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 1: specifically what happened last year that you know, people for

1933
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:11,880
Speaker 1: I think people forget that because of the excitement of

1934
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 1: the offense and the pitching and the questions and yeah,

1935
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:16,080
Speaker 1: I mean there's those little things. The way he's got

1936
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:19,760
Speaker 1: this lineup situated right now, how many wins would you

1937
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:23,639
Speaker 1: project a manager like Tito gets you versus I don't know,

1938
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 1: not to pick on them at David Bell.

1939
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:30,799
Speaker 6: I'd say probably about five to ten if they're really

1940
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:32,920
Speaker 6: really good. But it's been a while since we've seen

1941
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 6: a manager that can I had ten wins, but I

1942
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 6: definitely would say that Terry Francona added about five wins

1943
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:42,360
Speaker 6: this last season because the way that you saw some

1944
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 6: of the games that he attacked were completely different. To

1945
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:48,599
Speaker 6: compare it to David Bell, because there were multiple points

1946
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 6: throughout David Bill's tenure that something would happen in the

1947
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:53,080
Speaker 6: middle of the game.

1948
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:54,639
Speaker 2: It'd be an injury, it.

1949
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:57,639
Speaker 6: Would be I don't know, a thirty or forty pitch

1950
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:01,080
Speaker 6: inning that a pitcher would need to be and then

1951
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:04,680
Speaker 6: we would see the back end of the bullpen just

1952
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:08,960
Speaker 6: completely go home, and they were bringing in these guys

1953
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 6: that they barely pitched or they pitched poorly. And after

1954
01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 6: the game, you know, David Bell would say something to

1955
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 6: the effect of, while we were making sure that everything

1956
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:23,639
Speaker 6: is rested for tomorrow, he managed for tomorrow. Tito managed

1957
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:26,120
Speaker 6: for today every single day. It didn't matter what it was.

1958
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 6: And it wasn't a Game seven type urgency where it's

1959
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:35,559
Speaker 6: like we've got to absolutely put everything in harm's way,

1960
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:39,679
Speaker 6: but it was such an urgency that you knew today mattered.

1961
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:41,880
Speaker 6: And that's how it felt, even in these first three

1962
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:44,639
Speaker 6: games where he was able to move some things around.

1963
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 6: And I know there's some criticism of, you know, leaving TJ.

1964
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:50,960
Speaker 6: Friedland against left handed pitching because Dan Myers was sitting

1965
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 6: on the bench, but there were definitely other moves that

1966
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:55,960
Speaker 6: made plenty of sense. And I think that Sarah Francona

1967
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:58,799
Speaker 6: shows us that he's he's about a five win manager.

1968
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:02,120
Speaker 1: I would say, okay, yeah, we saw Okay win this

1969
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:04,639
Speaker 1: year's against Boston. Pittsburgh is a lightweight, so you would

1970
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:06,400
Speaker 1: hope and they'd be able the Sweeper certainly win the

1971
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 1: series there. Then it's off to Texas and Miami. Then

1972
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 1: you got the you got Anaheim, you got Frisco in there, Minnesota, Detroit.

1973
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 1: All in this first month of the season, Hunter Green

1974
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 1: is out till July, Lodolo's already on the isle with

1975
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 1: the blister, Ferguson hasn't thrown a pitch yet. Just how

1976
01:37:22,280 --> 01:37:24,880
Speaker 1: in the brink are they and what's your realistic best

1977
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 1: case scenario for the first half.

1978
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:29,880
Speaker 6: I still think that the pitching staff was looking really well,

1979
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 6: especially after watching Rhet Louder, and I'm expecting Chase Burns

1980
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 6: and even Brandon Wimson to look pretty good here as

1981
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:38,679
Speaker 6: they begin against the Pirates. Plane up that is much

1982
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:41,600
Speaker 6: revamped from last season. Looks like they can be a

1983
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:44,120
Speaker 6: lot more dangerous. But the Pirates are still a very

1984
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:46,519
Speaker 6: flawed team. And I think you're right the Reds should

1985
01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:51,160
Speaker 6: win this series. They've got a massive opportunity with a

1986
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 6: lot of different games coming up.

1987
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:55,080
Speaker 2: It should be theirs because.

1988
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 6: This is a tough thing, and baseball players will never

1989
01:37:57,960 --> 01:37:59,640
Speaker 6: tell you this, and managers will never tell you this.

1990
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:01,439
Speaker 6: They don't look at the schedule as a whole. They

1991
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:04,400
Speaker 6: look at every single day, but we as fans can't.

1992
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:06,600
Speaker 6: And when you look at the month of April, it

1993
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:09,320
Speaker 6: is vastly different from the month of September. And even

1994
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:12,639
Speaker 6: though Hunter Green isn't here and we're still waiting on

1995
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:15,880
Speaker 6: the debut for Nickelodola this year, this is the time

1996
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,559
Speaker 6: to really make some headway because you mentioned a lot

1997
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:20,559
Speaker 6: of teams in there that the Reds should beat up on.

1998
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 6: I know that the Marlins are actually undefeated, they swept

1999
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 6: the Rockies in their first series, but.

2000
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:26,559
Speaker 2: I don't buy that.

2001
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:29,280
Speaker 6: I don't think that the Marlins are that kind of

2002
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 6: a team that the Reds really got to be like.

2003
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 2: Oh, we got to fear these guys. Yeah, and they're not.

2004
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 6: There's no Brewers on the schedule, and I don't think

2005
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:39,240
Speaker 6: there's any Cubs on the schedule until either very late

2006
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:41,000
Speaker 6: in the month or into the month of May.

2007
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:42,200
Speaker 2: And so when you.

2008
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 6: Look at that, those are the games that you really

2009
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:47,280
Speaker 6: really need to have a leg up on before you

2010
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:49,000
Speaker 6: even go into it. This is where you get your

2011
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:51,439
Speaker 6: leg up. And the good news was on Nickelodola, we

2012
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:53,920
Speaker 6: heard that he's got a reheab start coming up. Later

2013
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:56,679
Speaker 6: this week and we should be seeing him hopefully back.

2014
01:38:57,240 --> 01:38:57,960
Speaker 2: I would say in the.

2015
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:01,200
Speaker 1: Next ten days that one, you know, you can have

2016
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:04,640
Speaker 1: Tommy John surge. We have acl all these things, but

2017
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:08,479
Speaker 1: a blister there's no remedy for that is just this

2018
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:10,720
Speaker 1: is Is this what Nick de Lodolo is going to

2019
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:13,000
Speaker 1: be is like a pitch lights out and then be

2020
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:15,400
Speaker 1: on the il for ten days because he's got a blister.

2021
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:17,680
Speaker 1: Is that just what we should expect from him.

2022
01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 6: I think there's going to be a day where he

2023
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 6: releases the book slowly of how to treat blisters on

2024
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:25,519
Speaker 6: your finger, because I think he's gone through every single

2025
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:28,559
Speaker 6: yel at this point. You're right, Like, I mean, we

2026
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:31,200
Speaker 6: constantly hear in spring training about how he's doing all

2027
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 6: this and that and the other, and what he is

2028
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 6: doing to avoid them. But you're right, as far as

2029
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:39,640
Speaker 6: like injuries go, it seems pretty minor, but when it

2030
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:43,800
Speaker 6: keeps happening so very much, seems to really taint everyone's

2031
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 6: view of the pitcher. And I think that we will

2032
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 6: finally see a point where there's going to be a

2033
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:50,760
Speaker 6: gallous form. I would reckon on that finger that he

2034
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:54,839
Speaker 6: can control his curveball and still be an effective pitcher,

2035
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:58,400
Speaker 6: but overall, like the whole blister thing was so funny

2036
01:39:58,439 --> 01:40:01,400
Speaker 6: because it also affects Brady Singer. You know, everyone was

2037
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:04,559
Speaker 6: talking about and myself included, that looked like everything was

2038
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:06,479
Speaker 6: good to go. I mean, obviously he made his first

2039
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:08,960
Speaker 6: start of the season, but it was clear it was

2040
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 6: the second or the third in he was standing on

2041
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:13,120
Speaker 6: the mountain waiting for the signal and he was, you know,

2042
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:16,000
Speaker 6: trying to bite off the dead skin from that blister

2043
01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:18,679
Speaker 6: and get it off of his finger, and it's like, okay,

2044
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:23,120
Speaker 6: it's still bothering. So you saw some control issues with

2045
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:23,760
Speaker 6: him out there.

2046
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:26,800
Speaker 2: And that's the biggest problem is that this.

2047
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:29,000
Speaker 6: Little tiny thing on the end of your finger that

2048
01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:32,160
Speaker 6: forces you to just lose control of the most key

2049
01:40:32,479 --> 01:40:34,840
Speaker 6: of your game. That's when you're trying to make the

2050
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:37,920
Speaker 6: ball move. So I think ultimately we're going to see

2051
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:41,240
Speaker 6: Nick Lidla figure away around this because it's such a

2052
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:43,760
Speaker 6: minor issue. It's just it's cropped up so much. I

2053
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:45,760
Speaker 6: think people have lost belief that he can.

2054
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:49,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeff Carr, the bench delivered in a big way

2055
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:52,679
Speaker 1: on Saturday. Myers had to walk off Spencer Steer playing

2056
01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:57,240
Speaker 1: three positions, making all the white roofs, you know, outside

2057
01:40:57,240 --> 01:40:59,240
Speaker 1: of pitching, which is going to sort of self out

2058
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:01,120
Speaker 1: at some point. You can't control the injuries and the

2059
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:03,479
Speaker 1: eel and all that, but you know, just you look

2060
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:05,960
Speaker 1: at an element. I don't think we've considered that as

2061
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:07,280
Speaker 1: the Reds are pretty deep.

2062
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:11,639
Speaker 6: They are, and they've got a lot of weapons off

2063
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 6: the bench, because it feels like in years past the

2064
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:16,800
Speaker 6: bench has been full of utility guys that well, their

2065
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:19,439
Speaker 6: glove works, but we're really not sure if we actually

2066
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:23,040
Speaker 6: need to have them hit against somebody else. That's not

2067
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:26,880
Speaker 6: the case now. And Dane Myers really showed his value.

2068
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:29,200
Speaker 6: It's not necessarily that he is a long ball guy.

2069
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:31,680
Speaker 6: It's that he's a bat on ball guy. Lots of contact,

2070
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 6: be able to hit you a line drive, gets you

2071
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:36,320
Speaker 6: a single, keep the lineup moving. But he also has

2072
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:38,760
Speaker 6: a really good ability and we didn't really see it

2073
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 6: this weekend, but we will at some point. His arm

2074
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:44,719
Speaker 6: is elite. There's a lot of people that talk about

2075
01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:47,799
Speaker 6: how talented he is in the outfield and throwing guys

2076
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:50,680
Speaker 6: out at different basis, and that's going to be an

2077
01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:53,880
Speaker 6: interesting wrinkle that the Reds add to their divisional matchups.

2078
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:56,280
Speaker 6: Because teams like the Pirates and the Brewers and the

2079
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:59,080
Speaker 6: Cubs and the Cardinals all know that the Reds lineup

2080
01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:02,599
Speaker 6: has been kind of suspect, or the Red's outfield, I'm sorry,

2081
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:05,400
Speaker 6: hasn't been kind of suspect these last few years. And

2082
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:07,800
Speaker 6: so you can run on these guys, you can't run

2083
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:11,000
Speaker 6: on Day Myers. And I'm interested to see the first

2084
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:14,599
Speaker 6: time that he announces himself in that manner. But you're right,

2085
01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:16,599
Speaker 6: the rest of the bench is full of guys. I mean,

2086
01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:20,000
Speaker 6: we didn't see Nate Lowe really provide the value that

2087
01:42:20,040 --> 01:42:23,400
Speaker 6: I'm expecting of him. He literally got one at bats,

2088
01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:26,160
Speaker 6: so it's really hard to belabor that point. But I

2089
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:28,479
Speaker 6: think that we will see him come up in some

2090
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:30,720
Speaker 6: key moments and give the Reds some key pinch hit

2091
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:33,760
Speaker 6: at bats and get some starts at first base. And

2092
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:37,120
Speaker 6: then the outfield situation between how he can move Will

2093
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:39,160
Speaker 6: Benson in there, how he can move Spencer to Steer

2094
01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:41,479
Speaker 6: in there. Like you mentioned, Spencer Steer played three different

2095
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:46,280
Speaker 6: positions this weekend. But oh by the way, according to Statcast,

2096
01:42:46,720 --> 01:42:50,640
Speaker 6: he increased his swing speed significantly from last year. It

2097
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:53,360
Speaker 6: was around seventy miles an hour, which was below the

2098
01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:55,639
Speaker 6: league average to now seventy three miles an hour, which

2099
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:58,160
Speaker 6: is above ly gaverage. We're talking about a stronger hitter

2100
01:42:58,160 --> 01:43:00,960
Speaker 6: at the play even with him moving around. So I

2101
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:02,960
Speaker 6: think that there's going to be a lot of value

2102
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:05,839
Speaker 6: that Spencer Steer brings this team. He's been a valuable

2103
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:09,479
Speaker 6: guys to the point in his career so far, but

2104
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:11,679
Speaker 6: I think that we will see even more from him

2105
01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:12,120
Speaker 6: this year.

2106
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:17,240
Speaker 1: He is Jeff Carr only Daily Red's podcast. It's called

2107
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:19,599
Speaker 1: Locked on Reds. You can follow him there. He jumps

2108
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:22,080
Speaker 1: on the show every Monday morning. Next time we talked, Jeff,

2109
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:25,759
Speaker 1: we'll have had three at Pittsburgh. Against Pittsburgh I should

2110
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 1: say six forty tonight with the five forty inside pitch

2111
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Speaker 1: on the Home of the Red seven hundred w welw

2112
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:33,120
Speaker 1: off on Thursday. Then first road trip of the season

2113
01:43:33,240 --> 01:43:36,519
Speaker 1: is off to Texas. We'll be talking about that before

2114
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:39,240
Speaker 1: they head to Miami and then back home again for

2115
01:43:39,320 --> 01:43:42,679
Speaker 1: the tenth starting weekends. Heies in Friday, fireworks and then

2116
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:45,840
Speaker 1: so lots to talk about the interim. All the best, Buddy,

2117
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Speaker 1: Thanks for jumping on the show this morning.

2118
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Speaker 2: So I appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Go RD Jeff Carr locked on Reds this morning. All right,

2120
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Speaker 1: Red's Baseball. As I mentioned getting on later night. Willie

2121
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:57,400
Speaker 1: is coming up in just a few minutes, and then

2122
01:43:58,120 --> 01:44:00,439
Speaker 1: Eddie and Rock and of course Lance mccallis takes you

2123
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Speaker 1: to that inside pitch at five point forty Houlver the Red,

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Speaker 1: seven hundred w AUTIWT, Cincinnati,