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Speaker 2: I am going to have a great weekend. But first

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Speaker 2: we're going to have four fabulous hours of Nightside. My

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Speaker 2: name is Dan Ray. As we work our way through

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Speaker 2: Friday night until Saturday morning. Now, we know most of

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Speaker 2: you finished work today around five o'clock. People like Madison

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Speaker 2: weekend to listen to any programs an hours that you

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Speaker 2: missed this week. At the top of the eleven, we'll

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Speaker 2: to talk about the eighteenth Annual Animal Rights Day at

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Speaker 2: the Massachusetts School of Law. And we are going to

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Speaker 2: talk about something at eight thirty America's Great Parking Scam,

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Speaker 2: how We've all been robbed? And then we're going to

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Speaker 2: talk with a former Emmy Award winning ABC News Science editor,

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Speaker 2: doctor Michael Gee, and I hope au Gillion. I hope

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Speaker 2: an ABC New Science reporter. He now has written a

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Speaker 2: doc produced a new documentary, The Invisible Everywhere. A scientist

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Speaker 2: explains why modern physics points to God. In this new

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Speaker 2: documentary gives us hope, gives us hope. Well, I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you what was going to give me a little bit

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Speaker 2: of hope is the arrival of spring. We are in

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Speaker 2: meteorological spring, but you can't God convinced me of that.

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Speaker 2: By the way, my name is Dan Ray. I'm the

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Speaker 2: host of the show, and our first guest tonight is

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Speaker 2: doctor Kevin Gibson. Doctor Gibson, Welcome to Nightside.

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Speaker 3: How are you, yes, sir, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well so well.

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Speaker 2: I love my sleep. I am a great sleeper. I

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Speaker 2: hope you are as well. But sleep is so important

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Speaker 2: for all of us. We're going to get a little

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Speaker 2: less this weekend, and I guess there are some implications

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Speaker 2: of that two o'clock. We're not going to do it

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Speaker 2: at two o'clock, but when we go to bed on

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Speaker 2: on Saturday night, we have to set our clock ahead

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Speaker 2: an hour because we're going to lose an hour's worth

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 3: I think I think it is. It's and you're right,

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Speaker 3: it actually does technically happen at two am. I don't

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Speaker 2: That one, okay, But there apparently are some implications going forward.

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Speaker 2: So if you are if you if for example, you

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Speaker 2: But there's some I guess some follow on impact. There

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about what impact might this have on people

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Speaker 2: Well, of course, the first day or so, not only

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Speaker 3: And you know, especially for our little ones, they not

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Speaker 2: So what can people do? But let's let's talk about

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, And you know, I think of myself

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Speaker 2: there's some science to this. Now you're a physician, you're

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Speaker 2: So this is a really dumb question, but I get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's Friday night and and it's due on

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Speaker 2: I have. Doctor, you should charge me for this consolation.

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Speaker 2: longer TV. Anyway, I really enjoyed the conversation. Is you

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Speaker 2: sound like a really nice guy and a great doctor,

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Speaker 2: And thanks very much for giving us some caution here,

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Speaker 1: With Dan Ray I'm Boston's news Radio.

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Speaker 2: We are delighted to be joined by a friend of

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Speaker 2: It is free and open to the public. Diane Sullivan,

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Speaker 5: I'm well, Dan, how are you?

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Speaker 3: And good evening.

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Speaker 2: Good evening to you. You have done this for so

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Speaker 2: If people are looking for information, just go to shadowfundne

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Speaker 2: all one word in East Sandyfnewengland dot org. But tell

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Speaker 5: The Shadow Fund was founded two decades ago to help

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Speaker 2: And how any people have received benefits over the years

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Speaker 2: So so if people need help, they really have to

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Speaker 5: That's exactly right. The type of people we help are

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Speaker 5: And there is no giveaway, Dan.

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Speaker 2: No, no, absolutely. So let's talk about the eighteenth annual

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Speaker 2: But he's a delight uh And I understand that he

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Speaker 2: And Diane, I'm going to embarrass you now because whenever

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Speaker 5: Well, I couldn't do it with all your health, Dan,

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Speaker 2: Well, we have one particular listener who is very, very

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Speaker 2: and is clearly and you're a love of a person.

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Speaker 2: it is particularly a fabulous day. Diane Solomon, You're You're

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Speaker 2: Bye bye. I mean that seriously. Here comes the news.

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Speaker 2: And I got to tell you she is the real deal.

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Speaker 2: it's a great it's a great cause. Coming back on

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Speaker 1: This Night Side with Dan Ray, I'm Boston's News Radio.

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Speaker 2: Well, I am so looking forward to talking to this guest.

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Speaker 2: I want to introduce you to Carrie. Let's described as

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Speaker 2: Carry Let's trust me.

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Speaker 4: I know we're both recovering attorneys. In fact, I am

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I understand that. Well, I still keep the

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Speaker 2: you have a new book which I don't have, called

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Speaker 2: America's Great Parking Scam. You've been robbed. I feel I

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Speaker 2: But no, I'm serious because I am so insane about

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Speaker 2: exactly what you've written about. This is brilliant, brilliant, Kerrie.

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Speaker 2: I'm jealous and envious that you beat me to this.

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Speaker 2: What this?

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Speaker 4: Oh well, I always need support and look, I've also

436
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Speaker 4: started an action in the United States District Court for

437
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 4: the Southern District of Florida. Pond each county division where

438
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Speaker 4: I'm going after six municipalities, three app platforms, and John

439
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 4: does one three seventy five. So hey, the weather is

440
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 4: great down here, come join me. I can use all

441
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Speaker 4: the help I can get.

442
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 2: Well, I got this little thing called the day job

443
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 2: up here Monday through Friday, eight to midnight. But I'll

444
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: tell you what we can perhaps have you back. But

445
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 2: I want to talk about the scam. Look, all of

446
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: us grew up with parking meters. You had a little

447
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 2: bit of change in your pocket. You got an hour

448
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 2: for a dime, and then they raised it to a

449
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 2: quarter for an hour. Then they raised it to here

450
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 2: in Boston, do you know how much a quarter get

451
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Speaker 2: you if you can find a parking meter four minutes?

452
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Speaker 2: Four minutes?

453
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, is that exactly? You get a minute's grace time.

454
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Speaker 2: Nothing nothing, no, no, no, It takes you fifteen quarters.

455
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 2: How many people have fifteen quarters in their pocket at

456
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Speaker 2: any given time another time?

457
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Speaker 4: People?

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Speaker 3: Today?

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Speaker 4: Is that may be true too?

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Speaker 2: So? But you have you have nailed it here. I'm

461
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 2: in this. I have been in so many parking situations

462
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Speaker 2: where you're looking at signs and there's a space, there's

463
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Speaker 2: no meter, but you bet you better do something. Tell

464
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,959
Speaker 2: us why how this has evolved? Because it is a scam.

465
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 2: It has become a scam, it's a ripoff.

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Speaker 4: I gotta tell you a story. Because I'm a New Yorkers,

467
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 4: Boston New Yorkers. We got a lot in common, you know,

468
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 4: we just don't take it. After a while we break

469
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 4: and we say no mass. And one time I'm in

470
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Speaker 4: New York I'm park my car on the street. I'm

471
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 4: looking at these signs. They're conflicting signs. All right, you

472
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 4: can't do one without the other. He's guaranteed to get

473
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Speaker 4: a ticket. A cop is going by, and I say, oh, so, sir,

474
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 4: can you tell me if it's okay to park here?

475
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 4: And he puts his thumb on his chin and he

476
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 4: looks up at it, and then he looks back at

477
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Speaker 4: me and says, well, what does the sign say?

478
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Speaker 2: That's because he probably couldn't Maybe he couldn't read the

479
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Speaker 2: sign or confuser.

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Speaker 4: He had no idea. He had no idea. But it

481
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 4: happened to me in Riviera Beach, Florida, which is one

482
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Speaker 4: of the defendives in my action. And I park in

483
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Speaker 4: a spot I've been parking in for twelve years and

484
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Speaker 4: it's my regular spot. I walk around, I come back,

485
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 4: there's a ticket on my car and I am outraged.

486
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 4: I don't really look around. I just know I didn't

487
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Speaker 4: see any signs. How can this be? And I go

488
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 4: home and I write them a nasty Well, I can't

489
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 4: write a nasty letter because you have a portal, because

490
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 4: justice has been outsourced. Yes, So I write a nasty

491
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 4: comment saying there was no signs, no notice, and I

492
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 4: three days later they get They send me an engulgement,

493
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 4: we're working on your challenge. Three days later they say,

494
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Speaker 4: due to a delay in processing, we're giving you a

495
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Speaker 4: one time get out of jail free cord. The case

496
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Speaker 4: is dismissed. And I said, there's something wrong here. I

497
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 4: go back. I look at the sign. I said, this

498
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 4: is not a parking sign. And it's like a picture

499
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Speaker 4: of a beach and an umbrella and a wave and

500
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Speaker 4: a beach ball, and there's a QR code.

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Speaker 2: No seagull right, no seagull?

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Speaker 4: Then yeah, well you off the sign. And I say

503
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Speaker 4: to myself that, like, I say, wait a second, I've

504
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 4: been looking at parking signs my whole freaking life forty

505
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 4: plus years, actually fifty. Now, that doesn't look like any

506
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 4: parking sign I've ever seen. So I hand in, I

507
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 4: take a picture, I throw it into chat GPT and

508
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 4: it says this is a violation of the MUTCD, And

509
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 4: I said what? And that is the Manual on Uniform

510
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 4: Traffic Control Devices. And it's a Federal Highway Administration publication

511
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 4: and as a condition for states to receive highway funds,

512
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 4: federal highway funds, they must adopt it into law by

513
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 4: either legislation or regulation. And every state has. And the

514
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 4: reason why it's simple because you guys in Boston are nuts.

515
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 4: And if one day your crazies wake up and say,

516
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 4: you know that red on that stop sign is really ugly,

517
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 4: Let's paint the stop signs green. And you know what

518
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 4: does traffic lights? We don't like stopping on red. We

519
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 4: want to stop on green and go on red. Well,

520
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 4: the MUTCD stops them from doing that. And it's got

521
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 4: it's twelve hundred thick pages. I mean, it's on my desk.

522
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 4: It's been there for months now. I read it when I,

523
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 4: you know, have nothing else better to do. But it's

524
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 4: got a section on signs, and it says that regulatory

525
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 4: signs are required in order to denote properly spell out

526
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 4: areas for parking. And what does a sign have to say.

527
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 4: It's got to be if it permissive, meaning you can

528
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 4: park there, it's got to say hours permitted and days permitted.

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00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 4: And if it's pay it's got to say pay on it.

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00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 4: And if it's non permissive, meaning you can't park there

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Speaker 4: certain hours, so you can have them too next to

532
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 4: each other, a red one and a green one. Then

533
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 4: it's got to say when you can't park there. And

534
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 4: this is black letter law. I mean, you know, we

535
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 4: always learned about Blackstone. This is the Blackstone of traffic.

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Speaker 2: Could they make could they make it? Could they make

537
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: it any more confusing? Could they make it any more complicated?

538
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: Could they be any more difficulty? It is a scam.

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00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: You are absolutely right to let it is a scam,

540
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: and I want to follow your case. I can't come

541
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: down there, and I'm not licensed to practice in Florida.

542
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: But even if I wanted to come down, they probably

543
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: would throw cord. But I'm telling you we will have

544
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: you back. We will talk about it some night for

545
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: a full hour, and we'll take phone calls from our

546
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: listeners because here in Boston we have we can't say

547
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: the meter maids anymore because that's a sexist term. Yeah, oh,

548
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 2: that's a good one. I'm sure you're up to data

549
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: and all of this sort of stuff. And and you know,

550
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: they have miserable jobs. Miserable jobs because a lot of

551
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 2: times they're dealing with people who are half in the bag,

552
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: drunk whatever. And I would not take goods, but but

553
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: they are out there. All this is is trying to

554
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: raise money for the politicians and their the befuddled brothers

555
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: in law who have never held the job you gotrather

556
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: than a code holder. Uh for some you know, some

557
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: low level politicians. That's it's an employment act for for

558
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,959
Speaker 2: the relatives of I want to say numb nuts. And

559
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say that, but I will brothers in law

560
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: who are unemployable unless they were. Oh, don't tell me

561
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: what that means. But I think I think I know

562
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Speaker 2: what the first Yeah, no, I know, Oh yeah, yeah, no,

563
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: I yeah, I got it. I got it. No problem.

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00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 4: Well have you pat com?

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00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

566
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 4: Dot com?

567
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: So that's your website, correct, Yeah.

568
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 4: You can get the book. You can joined the n

569
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 4: double a DP which is the National Association of American

570
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 4: Defrauded Parkers, who will be joining the action shortly.

571
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you I'm gonna I'm going to join that.

572
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: And it's the the n A National Association of Defrauded Parkers.

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00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 4: Is that it of American Defrauded park Parkers. You have

574
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 4: the nub A CP. Yes, we're the n double A DP.

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00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: Good, Okay, Well, that's that's something that everyone can join. Course,

576
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: everyone can join the n double A CP as well.

577
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: But you're doing God's work. I mean that seriously. And

578
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: speaking of God, we're gonna on the next break, we're

579
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: gonna be talking with an actual scientist who taught at Harvard,

580
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: who's an Emmy Award winning former ABC News science editor,

581
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: who says that now modern physics points to God in

582
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: a new documentary, that's my next guest. And if there

583
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: is a God, and I do hope and believe there's

584
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: a God, I want God to work with us with

585
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: the National American Association of Defrauded Parker's because God knows

586
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: we're gonna need all the help we can get. Carrie,

587
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: I love this interview. We will we will be back

588
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: in touch with you. We'll do an hour some night

589
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: with callers and we will we will just stir the

590
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: conscience of the unconscious.

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00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 4: The uncus. You're in Boston. I wish you god speed

592
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 4: in your mission. You're gonna need every bit of a

593
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 4: ounce of strength that you possess.

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00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: Oh, let me tell you something. We have politicians up

595
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: here who they they I will say this, in Massachusetts,

596
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: the only thing that they tax, they only tax two

597
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: things up here in Massachusetts. And you can take this

598
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: oun carry They think they tax anything that moves and

599
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: anything that doesn't move. Other than that, except it's a

600
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: tax free state. Carrie. Thank you. We'll be back in touch,

601
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: I promise. Okay. The book is America's great parking scam.

602
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: You've been robbed.

603
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 4: Thanks carry under the book. Book the book.

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00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: Thank you very very much. Talk soon, Okay, we'll have

605
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: you back. When we get back, we will talk with

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00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: doctor Michael Gillian, scientist, former Harvard physics instructor and Emmy

607
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,479
Speaker 2: Award winning ABC News Science editor, and he says modern

608
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 2: physics points to God in a new documentary coming back

609
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: on Nightside night Side with.

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Speaker 1: Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: I am delighted to welcome doctor Michael gian for He's

612
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Speaker 2: a scientist, former Harvard physics instructor, has his science doctorate,

613
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Speaker 2: his physics doctorate, and I believe his astronomy doctorate from Cornell.

614
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Speaker 2: He has a new documentary it's called The Invisible Everywhere

615
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: Scientist explains why modern physics points to God in that

616
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: new documentary. He's also an Emmy Award winning ABC News

617
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Speaker 2: Science editor was on the ABC network for many many years.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Gin, Welcome to Nightside. I'm to have you on

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Speaker 2: my program.

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Speaker 6: Well, Dan, it's great to be on your show. I

621
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Speaker 6: had to say, it makes me homesick for Boston. I

622
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 6: lived in Boston for many many years, and man, I

623
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 6: miss that place. It's a beautiful city, one of my

624
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 6: favorite all time cities. So thank you, Dan.

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00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: Well, you wouldn't You wouldn't have missed the weather of

626
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: the last few months up here. It's been like frostlit

627
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 2: Falls Minnesota, if you know what I'm talking about. Yeah,

628
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: I know, I loved this. I just watched the trailer

629
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Speaker 2: of the documentary, and I have spoken to many scientists

630
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: who do believe that there's something out there bigger than

631
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Speaker 2: all of us, and it sounds to me like you

632
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: have come to that conclusion as well, what is it

633
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 2: about modern physics that perhaps is taking science making sciences

634
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: take a second look at the age old question if

635
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: is there something bigger than all of us out there?

636
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 6: Well, you're absolutely right. And it took me a long time.

637
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 6: I mean, I remember, I was born in East Los Angeles.

638
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 6: I fell in love with science and this second grade,

639
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 6: and I grew up believing three things, Dan. Number One,

640
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 6: what we see is all there is. You know, my

641
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 6: motto was seen as believing. Number Two, I believe that

642
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 6: staith was a weakness, so, you know, believing in God

643
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 6: just didn't interest me. And number three, I believe that

644
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 6: science had all the answers to my questions. I was

645
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 6: a very curious kid. Still am a very curious person.

646
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 6: Not a kid anymore, but I'm still I'm still curious,

647
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 6: you know, But I was. You know, when I got

648
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 6: to Cornell as a grad student, I started asking a

649
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 6: bunch of questions, and to my horror, Dan, I discovered

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Speaker 6: that all three of the things that I believed were

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Speaker 6: just totally wrong. So first of all, I learned that

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Speaker 6: ninety five percent of the observable universe is invisible to us,

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Speaker 6: So I couldn't I couldn't live with the motto seen

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Speaker 6: as believing because I can't see ninety five percent of

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Speaker 6: the universe. And number two, I discovered that I needed

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Speaker 6: faith to be a scientist. I mean, I can't be

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Speaker 6: a scientist unless I have faith in the scientific method.

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Speaker 6: And number three, I discovered that science does not have

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Speaker 6: all the answers and I like it. You know, like

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Speaker 6: when you're trying to fish for a coin that is

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Speaker 6: flipped between the cracks of two cushions on your couch,

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Speaker 6: you know, the more you go for the coin, the

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Speaker 6: more it slips away from you. It's that way in science, right.

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Speaker 6: The more we answer questions in science, the more questions

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Speaker 6: we raise, and so were we never catch up. We Actually,

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Speaker 6: what I've learned as a scientist actor all these many

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Speaker 6: decades is the more questions we ask and the more

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Speaker 6: questions we answer, the greater the mystery. And so that's

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Speaker 6: really what convicted me. So my motto in life was

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Speaker 6: flipped from seeing is believing to believing and saying. And

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Speaker 6: so the movie The Invisible Everywhere Believing is Seeing. It's

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Speaker 6: all about that journey. But it's also and this is

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Speaker 6: a part that I'm really excited about Dan. I needed

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Speaker 6: to find a way to make the invisible universe. Remember

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Speaker 6: I said ninety five percent of the universe is invisible.

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Speaker 6: So how do I bring that to the screen. Well,

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Speaker 6: I don't have one hundred million dollars, which is what

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Speaker 6: I would need right if I were doing the Hollywood blockbuster.

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Speaker 6: But fortunately for me, AI came along and so I

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Speaker 6: was able to use AI tools to bring the invisible

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Speaker 6: universe to life, the universe no one has ever seen before.

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Speaker 6: And I think that's what's exciting that the combination of

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Speaker 6: my personal journey and that amazing being able to see

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Speaker 6: the universe you've never seen before before your very eyes,

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Speaker 6: is just so exciting for me.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm I'm going to make a suggestion to you,

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Speaker 2: and it's probably inappropriate for me to make the suggestion

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00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: to you, but believe me accepted in the way it's offered.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of doctor Mary Neil. She's an

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Speaker 2: orthopedic surg She's an the surgeon out of Jackson Hole, Wyoming,

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Speaker 2: and she was kayaking in Chile with her husband and

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Speaker 2: her kayak flipped over. She was underwater for seventeen minutes.

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Speaker 4: Yea.

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Speaker 2: She believes that she was I met. It's an amazing book.

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Speaker 2: It's called to Heaven and Back, a doctor's extraordinary account

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Speaker 2: of her death, Heaven, Angels, and Life Again. I've had

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Speaker 2: her on my show. It's been many years since I've

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Speaker 2: had her on my show, but I think that you

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00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 2: would find and she would probably be available to you

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Speaker 2: to talk to because she's a doctor or a doctor,

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Speaker 2: amazing person. She's an orthopedezer.

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Speaker 6: Jan Can I say something yes in the movie because

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Speaker 6: I don't want to give too much away, But in

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Speaker 6: the movie I actually deal with human consciousness and something

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Speaker 6: we call persistence of consciousness, that is to say, life

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Speaker 6: after death. And one of the people I interview is

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Speaker 6: doctor Bruce Grayson from the University of Virginia. He has

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Speaker 6: spent forty years, the forty years four to zero studying

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Speaker 6: what we call near death experiences, like the orthopedic surgeon

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Speaker 6: you're talking about. And he's not a you know, he

711
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 6: grew up in an atheist household. You know, he was

712
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 6: like me, I was an atheist, right, but he now

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Speaker 6: says that the scientific evidence clearly, indisputably points to the

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Speaker 6: existence of life after death, that once our body dies,

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Speaker 6: that there are consciousness, are our mind and our spirit

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Speaker 6: live on and I deal with that in the movie

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Speaker 6: and I show it. But again, I don't want to

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Speaker 6: get too much away.

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Speaker 2: How about this, Okay, we have just scratched the surface.

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Speaker 2: I'd like my production to call you back or call

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Speaker 2: your your people back. I want to have you on

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Speaker 2: for an hour and i'd like to some night. You

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Speaker 2: know WBZ is if you've been in Boston. We're a

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Speaker 2: huge radio station.

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Speaker 6: I heard all, Oh gosh, I have a lot of

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Speaker 6: respect for BEZ.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and so I would love to have you back.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to explore this in greater depth. What can

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Speaker 2: we have people do right now? How can they see

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Speaker 2: the trailer or what can where can where can they

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Speaker 2: go to at least get a quick introduction? Uh, so

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Speaker 2: that when you come back a lot of my listeners

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Speaker 2: will have gone and seen the trailer. Or would that

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Speaker 2: be the best way for them to get in used

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Speaker 2: to this?

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Speaker 6: I think so at this point, Dan, Yeah, the Invisible

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Speaker 6: Everywhere dot Com the Invisible Everywhere dot Com and it'll

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Speaker 6: have the trailer, it'll have the blurb. I'll also keep

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Speaker 6: people up to date as to what's going on. But

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Speaker 6: it comes out April eighth, I'm really really excited. I'm

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Speaker 6: looking forward to yeah, because we can't handle it in

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Speaker 6: just a few minutes, So I look forward to that, Dan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, yeah, I've been around enough. I don't know

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Speaker 2: when you were living in Boston and I was working

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Speaker 2: at wz T at television back in the day. Yeh

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Speaker 2: and so yeah, I watched you on television on the network.

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Speaker 2: I have lots of friends who I worked with the

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Speaker 2: WZ Bob Jordan and Pamela con.

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Speaker 3: Ted co Oh, I remember you, yeah, yeah, yeah, so

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Speaker 3: so remember you too, Dan.

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Speaker 6: That's that's where you make me homesick for Boston.

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Speaker 2: Okay, look, we will be back to you, I promise,

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Speaker 2: and we'll do an hour and we'll talk to listeners

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Speaker 2: as well, doctor doctor Dan, thank you so much. Doctor

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Speaker 2: Michael Gee on the Invisible Everywhere dot Com, thank you

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Speaker 2: so much. We'll speak soon, very soon.

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Speaker 4: You bet God bless good night you too.

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Speaker 2: Bright back at you when we come back. We're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about your taxes with our great friend Mark Missilback.

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Speaker 2: He'll answer all your questions on taxes. Won't do your

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Speaker 2: taxes for you? Better answer your questions and we're delighted

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Speaker 2: to have them with US again, second time in the

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Speaker 2: last couple of last month stay with US