1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I'm really excited for the situation 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: with Michael Brown. The content has been incredible. I can't 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: tell you how many times I listened to the segment 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: yesterday where I got to hear in great detail about 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: different sagging degrees of different body parts of Michael Brown's body. 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: I really hope we have more content like that today. 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: But you know what, that's the kind of great content 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: that got you onto all three of the stations in 9 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: the building. Good job, Michael. 10 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: And today, as soon as I finish here, I gotta 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: bus my cajoney seet out of here to get to 12 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 2: a surgery center so they can take my left eyeball 13 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: out and peel off some sort of little membrane from 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 2: a rentn the surgery I had about five years ago. 15 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 3: And I can't. 16 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: I can't have a diet coke dragon, oh no, and 17 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: my throat scratch you so. And I'm not supposed to 18 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: really drink anything, but they didn't say I couldn't, like 19 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: have some ice, So I have some of that nice 20 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 2: ice that you always get over. 21 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 4: There, you and your stupid lawyer brain. I can't drink anything, 22 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 4: but I can have ice. 23 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 2: Speaking of ice, oh, how's that for a segue? 24 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 3: All right? 25 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 2: I know that by now you've heard probably forty seven 26 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: bazillion different iterations of what took place in Minneapolis yesterday, 27 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: and people have gone to their corners. They have they're beliefs, 28 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 2: the narrative, whatever's been established, and we're at loggerheads. I'm 29 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: not sure I'm going to accomplish anything by giving you 30 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: what I believe to be supported by evidence. There's the 31 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: lawyer brain again, supported by evidence, supported by sound bites that. 32 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 3: I'll put it this way. Let's start it out this way. 33 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: The one and only overwriting goal with the Democrat Party 34 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: today is the acquisition of the maintenance of political power. 35 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 2: And the purpose in that overwriting goal to obtain and 36 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: maintain political power, and in doing so or willing to 37 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 2: do literally anything to achieve that goal, even if it 38 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 2: means sacrificing one of their own to some pagan god somewhere, 39 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: it is so that they can continue the fundamental transformation 40 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: of this country. And if that bothers, you call somebody 41 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: that cares, because that is the factual place that we 42 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 2: are in with this country right now. Back in twenty twenty, 43 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: George Floyd, a career violent criminal and a drug addict. 44 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 3: He served as the sacrificial lamb. 45 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: On Wednesday, the sacrifice came in the form of a 46 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: third seven year old psychotic activist named Renee Nicole Good, 47 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 2: who was shot and killed by an ICE officer who 48 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: she tried to run over with her SUV. Now we 49 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: don't know what well, we kind of do know what's 50 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 2: in her mind. I can't I can't say for certain 51 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 2: that I know at that moment what was in her mind. 52 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: But what if we listened to her wife, who in 53 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: the moment, not later on, but in the moment, told 54 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 2: us what her purpose was, what she was trying to do, 55 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: and why she was there, which interestingly differs significantly from 56 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: what that same individual, once she got showered and the 57 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: makeup and the hair done and then appeared on CNN, 58 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: had an entirely different story. And in Lawyerville, we give 59 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: greater credence to what we considered to be a contempering 60 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: statement or a contemporaneous document. For example, if if I 61 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: make a note about a staff meeting that dragon and 62 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 2: I have, which we have regularly because I've got to always, 63 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: you know, getting back in line. And if I make 64 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: notes and on my note, I say that this is 65 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: the staff meeting on Thursday, January eighth at nine ten am, 66 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: you know, MST. And then here's what occurred. That's going 67 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 2: to be much more credible, either to a judge or 68 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 2: a jury, or to anybody else looking at it. Then 69 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: if I wait two or three weeks later and say, oh, 70 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 2: by the way, here's what I recall from that meeting, 71 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 2: because memories change, So what we're going to do, And 72 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 2: you know, the keyboard warriors out there, get ready, because 73 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 2: I'm certain that many of you, you know, I really 74 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 2: don't know. I don't I shouldn't say that I don't 75 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: know what your response to this is going to be. 76 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: But as I tell you, I live in Reelville, and 77 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 2: I talk about the reality and the facts. I know that, yes, 78 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: I often insert my opinion. 79 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 3: But let's go through. 80 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 2: If I wanted to do a detailed fact base conversation 81 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: about the ICE encounter and the shooting in Minneapolis that 82 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: involved the ICE agents and this individual named Renee Good, 83 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: here's what I would tell you that I would believe 84 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 2: would be an objective point of view. An Immigration and 85 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 2: Customs enforcement officer fatally shot a thirty seven year old 86 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 2: woman by the name of Renee Nicole Good in Minneapolis 87 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 2: yesterday during an immigration enforcement surge that occurred on Portland 88 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 2: Avenue between East thirty third and thirty fourth Streets. Public 89 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: officials are obviously deeply split over whether the shooting was justified. 90 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 2: We will get to that question eventually. But the encounter, 91 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: the actual encounter, when you view it through the lens 92 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: of federal obstruction and assault statutes, and when you look 93 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 2: at not one, but three, four or five different videos, 94 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: it fits the framework of a lawful law enforcement use 95 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 2: of deadly force once a vehicle is used in a 96 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 2: way reasonably perceived as a deadly weapon against the officers. Now, 97 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 2: I want to emphasize that because her state of mind 98 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: when it comes to whether a shooting is justifiable or 99 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: not is completely irrelevant. What is relevant is what is 100 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 2: perceived by the individual who is being threatened. And do 101 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: I have to I certainly don't have to. Audience explained 102 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: that a vehicle used incorrectly is a weapon. Factual outline 103 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 2: of the incident, the shooting occurred, and you need to pay. 104 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 2: You know, you got to get your crayons out and 105 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 2: take some notes on this on your big chief tablet. 106 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: The shooting occurred in a snow covered residential area on 107 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: Portland Avenue in Minneapolis. It did occur amid a very 108 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: large ICE and DHS deployment that was targeting immigration violators 109 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: and responding to the protest. So it was twofold. They're 110 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 2: trying to enforce the law at the same time that 111 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: they are trying to respond to protests. Now, video has 112 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: been verified by multiple outlets shows a maroon burgundy Honda 113 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: pilot stopped in the roadway, obstructing at least one lane, 114 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: as federal vehicles with their lights on approach and agents 115 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: exit to engage the driver. At least The New York 116 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 2: Times admits that as being a factual basis. I would 117 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: add to that factual basis also, the road was slip 118 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 2: because you see several instances you see wheels spinning, not 119 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: because they're peeling out, but because the road is icy. 120 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: You see some of the agents as they try to move, 121 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: start to slip and fall because the road is icy, 122 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: and I think that is an important fact. Later, according 123 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: to Newsweek, the driver gets identified as Rene Nicole Goods. 124 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 2: She's a thirty seven year old US citizen who lived 125 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: in the Twin Cities with her partner and a young kid. 126 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: I'm really not sure. I frankly don't care whether it 127 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 2: was her daughter or her wife's daughter. 128 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 3: I don't know. 129 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: In the key videos, Goods Burgundy Honda pilot is positioned 130 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 2: sideways or at least at an angular cross the roadway. 131 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 2: It is clearly blocking the lane in front of an 132 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 2: ICE squad vehicle. As the agents arrive, then you find 133 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,359 Speaker 2: additional footage and still photos that show a white SUV 134 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: that is a head of the Honda. It is also 135 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:23,479 Speaker 2: impeding traffic. When you pull out, the scene includes protesters 136 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 2: and law enforcement vehicles that are clustered along the block, 137 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 2: indicating that there is indeed an ongoing confrontation between ICE 138 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 2: they're trying to enforce immigration law and the demonstrators. Minneapolis 139 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 2: officials and legal observers have said that good was present 140 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 2: as a legal observer, whatever the crap that means, or 141 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 2: as someone also has been described out caring for her neighbors. 142 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: Now that implies that there is some anticipation or at 143 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 2: least monitoring of a protest. That's that kind of activity, 144 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: rather than just some random motorists attempting to do a 145 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 2: U turn. At the exact instant that ICE arrived. Now, 146 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 2: the Partment of Homeland Security and ICE, by contrast, have 147 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 2: publicly characterized the people blocking the vehicles, including good as rioters, protesters, 148 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 2: rioters Tomato, Tomato. They are blocking a public roadway. Whether 149 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 2: you do that by a vehicle or you line up, 150 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: arm and arm, whatever it is, that is an unlawful 151 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 2: activity in every freaking jurisdiction. 152 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 3: That I know of in this country now, whether it's 153 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 3: enforced or not. 154 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 2: In California, they can block the I five or the 155 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: E ten and nobody gives a rat's ass. I don't 156 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 2: know what happened if somebody tried to go out and 157 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: block the twenty five or the four to seven, the 158 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 2: other two twenty five In Colorado, I'm sure that you 159 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 2: know the Denver PD in the Colorado Stay. I'll give 160 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 2: some credit to do to the CSP. Colorado State Patrol 161 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 2: might actually try to do something. Denver PD, the rank 162 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 2: and file might want to do something. Whether or not 163 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: the leadership and the mayor would allow them to do 164 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: something is a different question. But given what I've told 165 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 2: you so far, there is no credible reporting that she 166 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 2: simply happened to be performing a U turn. Every serious 167 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: account describes her car as part of a larger street 168 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 2: demonstration or street confrontation or observation of that confrontation, and 169 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: the Honda pilot was stationary in the roadway as ICE approached. 170 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: Verified video shows at least three ICE agents exiting a 171 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 2: truck with flashing lights and moving directly toward the Honda. 172 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: Two go to the driver's side, a third moves in 173 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: front of the vehicle near the driver side headlight. The 174 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: agents are wearing tactical gear and visible law enforcement insignia. 175 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: Media descriptions, yes, even the media refers to them as 176 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: federal immigration agents, and at least one video that I watched, 177 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 2: they are described as clearly identifiable as federal officers, not 178 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: playing closed civilians and not playing closed law enforcement officers. 179 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 3: Audio. 180 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: If you listen to audio, and several clips have been analyzed, 181 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: it captures the agent shouting commands for her to exit 182 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: the vehicle. You can see one agent attempt to open 183 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 2: the driver's side and reaches inside the cabin through the 184 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 2: open window. Even that's admitted by the New York Times. 185 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 2: And then there's another video reviewed by all these national 186 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 2: outlets that records an agent at the front of the Honda, 187 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 2: shouting stop immediately before drawing and firing his weapon as 188 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 2: the vehicle moves. There is no public evidence at this 189 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 2: stage if the agents approached silently or without visible markings. 190 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: The published descriptions consistently depict marked federal vehicles, tactical gear, 191 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: and shouted commands before the shots were fired. Now, according 192 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 2: to the Minneapolis Police Chief Brian o'harris preliminary briefing, because 193 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 2: we saw run, let's run the microphones immediately, Goods vehicle 194 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: was blocking the road. I bet he would like to 195 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 2: take those words back. That's an editorial comment. He stated 196 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: that her vehicle was blocking the road when a federal 197 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 2: officer approached on foot. At some point the vehicle began 198 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 2: to drive off, he said, and at least two shots 199 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 2: were fired before it crashing the park cars in a 200 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: light polt. Now, there are multiple outlets with frame by 201 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 2: frame analysis the report. The good first reversed. You can 202 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 2: see that as if to back away from the agents. 203 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 2: But factually that's a violation of the law. She has 204 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 2: already been encountered. Window is rolled down. She can obviously 205 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 2: hear because I can hear, if I can hear and 206 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 2: she's in the vehicle, she can hear that she has 207 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: been told in order to exit the vehicle. So the 208 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 2: minute she puts it in reverse, she's violated the law. 209 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: She has violated the lawful orders of law enforcement to 210 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: exit the vehicle because she is committing a crime by 211 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: blocking the public roadway. When the officers approach there again 212 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 2: frame by frame analysis that she first reversed, some would 213 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 2: say as if to back away and then shift it 214 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: into drive and move forward to board near the officers 215 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 2: standing close to the front driver's side corner of the Honda. 216 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 2: Now let me just insert here. I'll get to it 217 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 2: again eventually, but just to make sure that you understand 218 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: that where I'm going. Further video shows the vehicle, whether 219 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 2: it was trying to turn or not, as irrelevant striking 220 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 2: the officer. 221 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 3: That's unequivocal. Now. 222 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 2: Homeland Security and ICE public statements describe her as one 223 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 2: of several individuals who, in their terms, weaponized vehicles quote 224 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: attempting to run over our law enforcement officers during the operation. 225 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: They state that the ICE officers fired defensive shots while 226 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 2: fearing for his life and the safety of others. That's 227 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: a part of the definition of self defense. Those of 228 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 2: you who have regularly listened to taxpayer relief shots that 229 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 2: we do on Fridays know that we oftentimes, in fact, 230 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: we have I should have pulled it up. I'm sorry 231 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: I didn't do it. But we have multiple law enforcement officers, 232 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 2: and we have different taxpayer relief shots where reporters in 233 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 2: the past have correctly qualified quantified defined self defense. Now, 234 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 2: Secretary of Holy Misecurity Christy No, I really don't care 235 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: what you think about her, emphasized that using a vehicle 236 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: in that manner does qualify as use of a deadly weapon, 237 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: and she did articulate the agency's position that deadly force 238 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 2: is lawful when officers reasonably face such a threat. It's 239 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: kind of interesting that over on X some of you 240 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 2: that obviously listened to the program, well, why didn't need 241 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 2: you and I know you were being sorry cast Why 242 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: didn't he just shoot out the tyres? Why didn't he 243 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: just shoot the transmission and you know, immobilize the vehicle 244 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 2: under federal law? I quoted federal law. If you'd like 245 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: to see that obviously on my ex account Michael Brown, USA, 246 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 2: you might read ahead and see where I'm going. But 247 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 2: under federal law, deliberately blocking a public roadway to impede 248 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 2: federal officers performing lawful duties can constitute obstruction or even 249 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: assault on a federal officer under the Criminal Code, Title eighteen, 250 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 2: section one eleven. It's not a mere traffic matter, as 251 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 2: people are trying to characterize this. This is a violation 252 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 2: of federal law. Now, when the obstruction gets carried out 253 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 2: with a vehicle then escalates into a movement that a 254 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 2: reasonable officer could interpret as an attempt to strike or 255 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 2: pen the officer, the situation shifts squarely into the realm 256 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 2: of assault with a dangerous or deadly weapon, which is 257 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 2: explicitly covered by Title eighteen, section one eleven. Now, from 258 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 2: that vantage point, once her vehicle, already violating the law 259 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 2: by obstructing ice movement, began moving in a way that 260 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 2: placed an officer at immediate riskss serious bodily injury. I's 261 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 2: legal authority was not limited to oh, although if you 262 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 2: should just write or a ticket, or just hey, would 263 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 2: you please move your car? The agents had authority to 264 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 2: arrest and, if necessary, to use proportionate force to neutralize 265 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 2: and apparent deadly threat under both federal assault law and 266 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 2: standard use of force doctrines, and. 267 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 3: We'll get into the well what is, what is? What ifs? Next? 268 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 5: Good morning, Michael and Dragon. Really just wondering when the 269 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 5: mayor of Minneapolis and the rest of these clueless, clueless 270 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 5: politicians and journalists on the left are going to be 271 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 5: held accountable for the violence and insurrection that they are insiding. 272 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 3: Well, hang tight. 273 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 2: I have no idea how long this topic is going 274 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 2: to take today, because I've got you know, a dozen 275 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: others in the pos ready to go. But I have 276 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 2: a feeling this is going to take longer than I 277 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 2: anticipate made it, primarily because I probably will want to 278 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 2: respond occasionally to your text messages, and in particular I 279 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 2: want to respond to Guber number thirty five zero eight, 280 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: who writes, Michael, I am a Reagan voter, a Bush voter, 281 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:21,479 Speaker 2: and started voting for Democrats about when you were in government. Also, 282 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 2: maybe you weren't really a Reagan or a Bush voter. 283 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 2: You may have voted for them, but if you then 284 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 2: started voting for because that means you must have voted 285 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 2: for Obama who if you're really paying attention, Yes, look 286 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 2: John McCain, I I despise John McCain, but I voted 287 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: for him because the coalition that John McCain represented was 288 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 2: much better than the coalition represented by Barack Obama, who 289 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 2: wanted to fundamentally transform America. And if you've ever read 290 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: his Brazilian autobiograph, as he wrote before he did anything, 291 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: you'd understand that the man was truly he was raised 292 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 2: by a communist and he was truly a Marxist at heart. 293 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 2: So when you tell me that I don't as you 294 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 2: say in thirty five O Ways says, when you tell 295 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 2: me that I don't live in realvill I'd say, I 296 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 2: think maybe perhaps you're the one whose brain has been 297 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: probably injected with a bunch of bull crap from those 298 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 2: on the left, and you're the one that's lost, because 299 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: indeed you say, you continue to say, I am from 300 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 2: a military family. Okay, well congratulations. I'm not wish or 301 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 2: what that has to do with anything, but okay, you're 302 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: from a military family, and that I do not live 303 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 2: in realvill because if you watch that video, Okay, my 304 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 2: question then becomes which video? 305 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 3: Which video? 306 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 2: Because you're right, if you watch that video and come 307 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 2: to that conclusion, it is you that is lost. You 308 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 2: were taking the word of proven liars which makes you 309 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: a sucker. This is why I don't listen to Kowa 310 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 2: from nine am to three pm. Well, apparently you were 311 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 2: at nine seventeen oh nine this morning, So stick around. 312 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 2: You might learn something, and you might text me and 313 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 2: I might learn something from you. But you know, if 314 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 2: you as you say you don't listen to Kowa from 315 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 2: nine until three pm, and that you can start listening 316 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 2: to KOA again at three when they talk about sports, 317 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 2: well then well I'll bite my tongue. I won't say anything. 318 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 2: But let's go back to the video that your reference. 319 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 2: Have you seen the video where she strikes the officer? 320 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 2: Have you seen that? Yeah, apparently you haven't, or if 321 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 2: you have, you're engaged in some sort of cognitive dissonance 322 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 2: and you don't want to live in real villa. You 323 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 2: don't want to admit what your own eyes are telling you. Now, 324 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 2: let's go back to these intentions and mindset and everything else. 325 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 2: Goods family, the driver's family and some local officials insist 326 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: that she was not an ice rioter. You can find this. 327 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 2: I pulled this off Wikipedia. Ooh, in the Book of Knowledge. 328 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: They say she was not an ice rioter. They argue 329 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 2: that she was there to observe document or to assist 330 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 2: neighbors amid an intimidating federal presence, not to attack law enforcement. 331 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 3: Man. 332 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 2: That's a loaded paragraph, isn't it. But that's what you 333 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 2: would expect from Wikipedia. So if they are insisting, both 334 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 2: the family and local officials insist that that was not 335 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 2: her purpose, that I would say, let's go to the tape. 336 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 2: You want to go to the tape, because I think 337 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 2: when we go to the tape, you might realize that, oh, 338 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 2: perhaps again going to someone who was at the scene. 339 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 2: In fact, I think this is the wife, but someone 340 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 2: at the scene making these comments contemporaneous with what she 341 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 2: has just observed. 342 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 6: And clearly wanted her out of there because she was 343 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 6: the main car leading the the protests, is my understanding. 344 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 6: I talked to another guy who was driving behind her, 345 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 6: but she was she was very at uh, she was 346 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 6: very successful in blocking traffic. She was doing what she 347 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 6: was what she was set out to do, and so 348 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 6: they wanted to get her the hell out of there. 349 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, so it looked like she was impeding ice vehicles. 350 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 6: Definitely, Yeah, that was her goal and clearly, definitely that 351 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 6: was her goal. 352 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 2: Now, just as I would in front of a jury. 353 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 2: Galla may I played this again, thank you, and. 354 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 6: Clearly wanted her out of there because she was the 355 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 6: main car leading the the protests, is my understanding. I 356 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 6: talked to another guy who was driving behind her, but 357 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 6: she was she was very at she was very successful 358 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 6: in blocking traffic. She was doing what she was what 359 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 6: she was set out to do, and so they wanted 360 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 6: to get her the hell out of there. 361 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it looked like she was impeding ice vehicle. Definitely. 362 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, that was her goal. 363 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 3: And clearly that was her goal. 364 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 2: So to the family, you know, those local officials who 365 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 2: insist that she was not an ICE rioter, are you 366 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 2: trying to pull a Bill Clinton here and harsh your words. 367 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 2: Perhaps she wasn't in my vernacular rioting, but she was 368 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 2: certainly illegally engaged in an illegal protest by trying to 369 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 2: impede the lawful execution of ICE's authority. And you were 370 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: on top of that, blocking a public roadway, all in 371 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:02,479 Speaker 2: violation the Title eighteen, section one to eleven. So for 372 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 2: those of you who want to try to make excuses, 373 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 2: keep trying, keep keep banging your head against that wall. Now, 374 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 2: civil rights advocates, now they want to point to the 375 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 2: speed and the intensity of the agent's approach. This is 376 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 2: according to the BBC, and the chaos in the street, 377 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 2: the agents that they point to the speed and the 378 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 2: intensity of the agent's approach and the chaos in the 379 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 2: street trying to argue that a reasonable person might panic, 380 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 2: especially if multiple agents and tactical gears suddenly rushed the 381 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: vehicle and tried to open the door. 382 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 3: Really, so your. 383 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 2: Instinct is, you know, as we know from her friend 384 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: that says, yes, that's what she was there to do. 385 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 2: And now they approach and you're trying to convince me 386 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 2: that she panicked. 387 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 3: Oh, she probably panicked. 388 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 2: Because she, you know, FAFO suddenly realized that uh oh, 389 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 2: to get out of here. Well, sweetheart, with all due respect, 390 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 2: maybe you should have thought about that before you decided 391 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 2: to violate the law. Now, according to CBS News, the 392 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,719 Speaker 2: federal officials were taking the opposite view. Their public narrative 393 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 2: is that she was part of a pattern of vehicle 394 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 2: rammings that have been used to and directed at ice, 395 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 2: that she refused clear commands. I don't think there's any 396 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 2: question about that. I could hear the officer telling her 397 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 2: to exit the vehicle, and that her decision to drive 398 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 2: in the direction of the officer transformed any prior observation 399 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 2: or protest role into an active assault with a vehicle. 400 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 3: That's the law, whether you like it or not. I 401 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 3: don't give her rats ass. That is the law. 402 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 2: Now, all of the available videos, none of them capture 403 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 2: her facial expression or any interior audio, so there is 404 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,719 Speaker 2: no objective evidence of her subjective mental state. But as 405 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 2: I say, I don't care about that. She Mandy may 406 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: have freaked out, she had missed perceived, she might have 407 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 2: misperceived who the agents were, or she may have intentionally 408 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 2: chosen to use the vehicle to challenge her to even 409 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 2: strike them. It is immaterial. All of you gun owners, 410 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,239 Speaker 2: all of you criminal lawyers, and I would hope that 411 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 2: most American citizens would understand the basic tenets of the 412 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 2: law of self defense. It is not her state of 413 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 2: mind that makes a difference. It is what is perceived 414 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 2: by the person who is being threatened. 415 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 3: That's what matters. 416 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 7: Hey, Michael, regarding the Ice shooting in Minneapolis, can putting 417 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 7: a car and drive with the intent to go forward 418 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 7: be compared to in a self defense situation, a person 419 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 7: drawing a knife or a gun on the ice officer, 420 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 7: and at that point it does become a self defense issue. 421 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 3: Does that make sense? And is that a logical comparison? 422 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 3: It makes sense. It's a logic a comparison. 423 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 2: I would quibble, and I'm not quibbling just to quibble, 424 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 2: but they don't have to draw the weapon if if 425 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 2: you're chasing a fugitive or you're trying to enforce a 426 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 2: lawfully enforce an order. And we've had many taxpayer relief 427 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 2: shots like this where the defendant, the criminal, the thug, 428 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 2: however you want to describe them, reaches. You know, people said, well, 429 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 2: he was going to throw the gun away, he was 430 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 2: going to throw the gun to the side. That's again 431 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 2: going to the state of mind of the person that's 432 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 2: the threat, not the person's being threatened. You can only 433 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 2: look at self defense. We can't say only, but you 434 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 2: have to first look is there a reasonable belief of 435 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 2: severe bodily harm or death? 436 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 3: So you don't have to pull the gun, just reach 437 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 3: for it. 438 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 2: You don't actually have to, you know, somebody, I think 439 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 2: somebody's actually trying to troll me on this one. But 440 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 2: five to one four three rights, Mike, why not just 441 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 2: shoot a tire or maybe do a pit maneuver. Then 442 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 2: they would have saved a mother to a six year old. 443 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 2: Are you are you really serious? I'm really serious. Five 444 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 2: to one, four three. You gotta tell me if you're 445 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 2: serious about that, because you mean you take the totality 446 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 2: of the circumstances. You have an snowy, icy road, and 447 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 2: she first puts the car in reverse, then throws it 448 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 2: into drive. The wheels are spinning. Yes, she turns, but 449 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 2: on an icy road. You want to know that living 450 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 2: in Colorado. 451 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 4: I'll even do you one better here on that, Michael. 452 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 4: Is that Hey you listener, goober uh go stand two 453 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 4: feet in front of a car, in front of the 454 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 4: driver's position of the car, and tell me can you 455 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 4: see the tires even if they are turned or not? 456 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 3: No? 457 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 2: And let's let's remember too, we're talking about this in 458 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 2: in uh a post incident. Freedom of time, well except 459 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 2: for our clock, freedom of time versus what you just describe, dragon, 460 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 2: Not only can you not see the direction or movement 461 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 2: of the tires, all you see is the movement of 462 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 2: the vehicle which is moving, and you're just inches or 463 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 2: feet away from that. 464 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 3: That is a threat. And again it goes back. 465 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 2: You have to put yourself in the in the mindset 466 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 2: of the person who is being threatened, not the person 467 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 2: who is causing the threat. 468 00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 3: But really, shoot the tires out? What what a what 469 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 3: are you talking about? Doing a pet maneuver? 470 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 2: You are you are you implying that perhaps ice should 471 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 2: have rammed the car when there were people standing around 472 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 2: everywhere and then had Oh maybe the mother would have survived, 473 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 2: but then you would have had people injured as. 474 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 3: The car spun out of control from. 475 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 2: A pit maneuver. With all due respect, you're out of 476 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 2: your freaking mind. Or shoot the tire. How many times 477 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: have you seen a car chase where they they have oh, 478 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 2: they've thrown the the whatever. Those the things are strip 479 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 2: spike strip across the highway and yes, it blows out 480 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,719 Speaker 2: all the tires. Does the car come to an immediate stop. 481 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 3: Nope? How many times do they try to continue to 482 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 3: drive on the rims? Mmmm? And then add to that ice. 483 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: Even if, even if the tires blow out and they 484 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 2: hit the brakes the This is basic physics. I wasn't 485 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 2: very good in physics in high school or college, but 486 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 2: I understand basic physics. An object in motion stays in motion. 487 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 3: This is. 488 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 2: This story has so many tentacles to it that people 489 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 2: are showing their absolute Well, you're. 490 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 3: Showing your bias. 491 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 2: Your bias is showing your slip showing, you're showing some ignorance, 492 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 2: and you're showing a a a level of cognitive dissonance 493 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 2: that I absolutely find frightening. 494 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 3: It tells me. 495 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about any particular goobers here, I'm 496 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 2: not talking about goobers in general. I'm talking about our society, 497 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 2: a society that can't deal with reality. Now, there are 498 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 2: all sorts of things about this situation that I don't like. 499 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: I don't like calling it terrorism. That's been my position 500 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 2: about many things for probably twenty years that you know, 501 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 2: post nine to eleven, anything bad happens, we want to 502 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 2: slap the label's terrorism on it because that allows prosecutors 503 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 2: to enhance charges. 504 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 3: I don't like that. 505 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 2: There's no need for that here. Did Christy Nooman say that? 506 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 2: I wish she hadn't said that, But I also understand 507 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 2: at the same time that she is driven by emotion 508 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 2: in this point, because, as somebody points out, the number 509 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,959 Speaker 2: of death threats against ICE agents for doing what we 510 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 2: elected a president to get done. Which is to deport people. 511 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 2: Are up by one thousand percent or so, so they're 512 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 2: obviously on edge. I would challenge you, all of you 513 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 2: little sitting at home behind the computer keyboard warriors, get 514 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 2: out in the real world, see what it's really like.