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Speaker 2: Well we do hope tip. Goodnight here on Nightside. My

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Speaker 2: name is Dan raym the host of the program heard

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Speaker 2: every Monday through Friday night from eight until midnight. And

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Speaker 2: we have four really interesting guests coming into up this

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Speaker 2: hour different topics. We're going to talk about whether or

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Speaker 2: not you should tip when you are presented with the

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Speaker 2: tip screen at your local coffee shop. Going to talk

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Speaker 2: about about ten really weird Loston found cases in Boston.

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Speaker 2: about the State Supreme Court here in Massachusetts weighing whether

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Speaker 2: or not gun licenses should be given to teenagers, people

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Speaker 2: under the age of twenty, under the age of twenty

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Speaker 2: one actually. And then we'll talk with Jeff Robbins, a columnist,

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Speaker 2: a former assistant US attorney, and you one delegate to

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Speaker 2: the United Nations Human Rights Counsel in Geneva, and we

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Speaker 2: will discuss everything you need to know about Operation Epic Fury.

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Speaker 2: But first I'd like to introduce Charlotte Hilton Anderson. Charlotte,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Nightside. How are you?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm great. I'm super excited to talk about moral

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Speaker 3: crises and tipping screen.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's very important that sort of morality is the

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Speaker 2: sort of reality that's easy to talk about. You are

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Speaker 2: a journalist and a writer for readers digest, and the

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Speaker 2: question that you are asking, I guess is is it

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Speaker 2: really rude to skip the tip jar or screen at

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Speaker 2: a coffee counter. I think it's a dilemma, moral dilemma

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Speaker 2: that all of us have faced at some point in

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Speaker 2: our lives. It is a vestige of I think the

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Speaker 2: COVID times as we like to refer to them, back

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one and beyond. Why

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Speaker 2: don't you set up the moral dilemma for us? Which

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Speaker 2: should probably be yeah.

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Speaker 3: So ye, it's causing people a lot of panic. I

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Speaker 3: did like an online poll and people were so evenly

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Speaker 3: split on this one. Fifty percent said that you should

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Speaker 3: absolutely tip, and fifty percent said I will never tip,

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Speaker 3: and I'm not buying a CEO another mansion, and people

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Speaker 3: had really strong feelings about it. I have gotten so

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Speaker 3: much hate mail about this article from people feelings both ways.

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Speaker 2: So that is what percentage of the fifty percent of

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Speaker 2: the people who said that you definitely should tip are

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Speaker 2: themselves professional baristas?

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Speaker 3: If we don't see all of them, Yeah, yeah, probably

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Speaker 4: I mean.

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Speaker 3: The moral dilemma is that it's this very public display

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Speaker 3: of are you a good person? Because we associate tipping

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Speaker 3: with helping people out, which makes you a good person.

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Speaker 3: And if you don't tip, then are you a bad person?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, so you actually in this article it readers

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Speaker 2: Digest actually come to a variety of conclusions which are

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Speaker 2: basically situational. And I happen to agree with you. When

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Speaker 2: I go into Duncans and I buy I make my

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Speaker 2: own coffee at home. I like to do that. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So I used to do coffee and a glaze stick

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Speaker 2: or something like that. Now I'll just do the glaze stick.

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Speaker 2: Don't do it every day, but you know certain days

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Speaker 2: you do. And I make my own coffee at home.

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Speaker 2: I don't grind the beans or anything like that, But

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Speaker 2: I just think that the prices of coffee are kind

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Speaker 2: I think anywhere else. Yeah, you know, so I'm conscious.

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Speaker 2: But what I'll do is if I'm I always deal

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Speaker 2: of the problem is if you always use it in

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Speaker 2: a debit card, you always going to face the screen.

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Speaker 2: Cash absolutely twenty cents, throw it in the jar, move on.

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Speaker 2: That's easy, but it's tougher when they present you with

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Speaker 3: Yeah, First of all, I think your solution is a

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Speaker 5: That's genius.

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Speaker 3: So the electronic tipping screen takes advantage of that inertia

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Speaker 3: where you're you already have your credit card out, you're

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Speaker 3: I'll admit it, and so I had to make some

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Speaker 3: guidelines which included is it worth it? Did they add

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Speaker 3: Which is a lot of mental calculus honestly to get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, too much early in the morning for me, right.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's why we're getting the coffee, right, yes, of course.

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Speaker 2: Of course. So well, I sort of analogize it to restaurants.

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Speaker 2: So for example, I think if you go to have

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Speaker 2: picking up the tab, particularly if you're on a date

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Speaker 2: treat it. If the person came over and was really

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Speaker 2: peppy and welcoming, they get a little extra. If they

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Speaker 2: were horrific, if they were inattentive, they get a little less.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you really can't go below fifteen percent. I

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Speaker 2: think when you're in a restaurant and you know twenty

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Speaker 2: that's easy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But the crucial difference with that is that at

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Speaker 3: those types of restaurants, workers are normally making the tipped

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Speaker 3: minimum wage, your minimum food wage, which is like two

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Speaker 3: to three dollars an hour. People like the barista, or

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Speaker 3: at a fast food chain or something, they're making regular

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Speaker 3: minimum wage, which isn't like a ton of money, but

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Speaker 3: it's a lot more than two or three dollars an hour.

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Speaker 3: So like tipped wages, it's expected that you'll tip other wages.

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Speaker 3: I don't know where we got the idea that we

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Speaker 3: have to tip for everything. One of the things that

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Speaker 3: I found the most interesting was they had this study

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Speaker 3: from twenty twenty five that found that eighty I think

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Speaker 3: it is eighty eight percent of Americans agreed that companies

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Speaker 3: should pay their workers more money instead of expecting customers

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Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, well that's part of it as well. And

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Speaker 2: the other thing too is I just think it's always

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Speaker 2: going to be how the person treats you. If I

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Speaker 2: and I bought, you know, a two dollars pastry or

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Speaker 2: something like that, I'm willing to put a bucket in

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Speaker 2: the tip jar, because that that's going to be of

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Speaker 2: to you, then okay. If they want to make it

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Speaker 2: that cold, I guess you got to write to be cold.

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Speaker 2: If they're warm and fuzzy, I think you tip. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: maybe that's too simple a formula. In your you talked

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Speaker 2: about the baristas and people will go in and they're

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Speaker 2: ordering you know this, and with fourteen different combinations, those

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Speaker 2: people should be tipping. I think if you're going in

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Speaker 2: and you're saying, I want, you know, my mocha this

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Speaker 2: and a vanilla shot and some some cream on top

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Speaker 2: or whatever, and can you stir it for me four

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Speaker 2: times a counterclockwise, if they do that for you, you

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Speaker 2: better tip. I think.

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Speaker 3: I agree. I agree, especially when they take the extra effort.

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Speaker 3: The place where people got really split in the online

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Speaker 3: poll was they could see a custom coffee like generating

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Speaker 3: an extra tip because it takes some extra work. Where

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Speaker 3: people got upset with the bagel counter, like you're cutting

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Speaker 3: So even if they were really nice, would you still

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Speaker 2: I would. I would. But again, if you're I'm a

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Speaker 2: person who has something of a public persona having worked

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Speaker 2: in the business here for many, many years, you don't

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Speaker 2: want someone saying, what a cheap sob That guy is

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Speaker 2: what I used to like to do. I'm a dunkin

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Speaker 2: Donuts guy. Always been a dunkin Donuts guy, simplest, even

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Speaker 2: when I was buying the car, well, I'd buy the

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Speaker 2: dunkin Donuts coffee and make my so some of my

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Speaker 2: crews when I worked in television, they would insist on

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Speaker 2: going into a Starbucks and I used to light the

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Speaker 2: first started, like maybe twenty five years ago. And I

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Speaker 2: dunkin Donut? That's coffee? The Bretons can be like, what

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Speaker 2: an idiot? But I used to enjoy going in and

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Speaker 2: then laugh. They'd get the joke, and I say, No'm

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Speaker 2: a Doncadnu's guy just hanging hanging with my crew, and

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Speaker 2: you make kind of a little bit of a joke,

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Speaker 2: but when it comes to tips, there's no joking around.

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Speaker 2: I think you got you gotta do the right thing,

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Speaker 2: in the words of Spike Lee, do the right thing,

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Speaker 2: whatever it feels right, do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, and there's a lot to be said for just

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Speaker 3: making the world a little bit kinder, a little bit nicer.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you can afford it and it doesn't

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Speaker 3: think that's pretty great. The other question I have too

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Speaker 3: electronic tips go necessarily, so it may not be the

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Speaker 3: worker that gave you the nice coffee that's actually getting

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Speaker 3: the tip. So some of them actually just go directly

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Speaker 3: so it's really hard to tell unless you ask.

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Speaker 2: Well, any company that basically gones with the tips that

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Speaker 2: are that are intended for the employees, they should be

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Speaker 2: outed and a company boycotted. It's a simil I assume

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Speaker 2: that the tips always going to a big you know,

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Speaker 2: between the between the crew people. I don't think when

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Speaker 2: put that money in their pocket. Per se. Well, these

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Speaker 2: are great questions. We'll always have to deal with these questions.

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Speaker 2: Charlotte Hilton Anderson, your article is available. I assume, well,

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Speaker 2: I know it's online because I read it and I

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Speaker 2: really enjoyed it. It's a great piece. It was a

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Speaker 2: great piece. Thank you Charlotte and joining us. We would

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Speaker 2: love to have you back. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love to you.

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Speaker 6: A good night.

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Speaker 2: All right, good night to you. When we get back,

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Speaker 2: Delighted to welcome Ashley Carrier. Ashley is with the American

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Speaker 2: Welcome to night, said, how are you this evening?

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Speaker 6: I'm agreed, thank you, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: You are the executive director of the American Lung Association,

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Speaker 6: Yes, well the Lung Association here in Massachusetts, but yes,

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Speaker 2: All right, So how many years has the American Lung

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Speaker 6: Well it's seven and eighty nine steps to the top,

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, And so yeah, this has been going on

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Speaker 6: Millions of dollars O worth of twenty one years.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the fight for air Climb not only is

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Speaker 6: it a refuel zone. So this is where we have

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Speaker 6: all of our sponsors and vendor.

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Speaker 5: Set up and they can come take.

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Speaker 6: A break, they can have some food, some water. We

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Speaker 6: usually will have like a chiropractor or a missuse. There,

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Speaker 6: we have our DJ and a photo booth. So it's

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Speaker 6: a lot of fun. It's a really cool atmosphere. So

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Speaker 6: there they were rewarded once they climb up all those

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Speaker 6: steps to the top.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so how many stories are in this building to

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Speaker 2: climb seven hundred and eighty nine steps. Is this a

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Speaker 2: forty forty story building?

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Speaker 6: Forty one?

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Speaker 2: But I was pretty close. That's not a bad guess,

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Speaker 2: not Bodu. Yeah, I've kind of impressed with the guests,

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Speaker 2: to be honest with you. So, and it's eight o'clock

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Speaker 2: in the morning, so the parking will probably be really

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Speaker 2: easy on a Saturday morning at eight o'clock eight to three.

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Speaker 2: Here's a dumb question for people who have never done

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Speaker 2: this before. Is this something that can be accomplished. What's

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Speaker 2: it a couple of hours to accomplish this for someone

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Speaker 2: who hasn't done it before, or what's what's the average

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Speaker 2: amount of time to completely this track?

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Speaker 6: That's a great question, and we get to that question

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Speaker 6: all the time. We have people who are professional climbers

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Speaker 6: who come and they are you know, climbing all over

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Speaker 6: the country, but they're few and far between. So the

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Speaker 6: vast majority of people who participate are regular people. And

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Speaker 6: we also have a large contingency of firefighters.

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Speaker 5: Who come as well.

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Speaker 6: But I would say, you know, the average time is

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Speaker 6: like fifteen to twenty minutes or so, and you know,

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Speaker 6: we have you know, there are leak climbers, but we

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Speaker 6: also have people who are living with long disease who

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Speaker 6: are climbing the steps with oxygen on their on their backs,

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Speaker 6: and that's really amazing and really empowering to see. So,

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Speaker 6: you know, we have a whole the whole range of

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Speaker 6: athletic abilities and physical abilities who come and participate in

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Speaker 6: our event.

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Speaker 5: And it's really spectacular.

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Speaker 2: How many staircases are in this building or how many

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Speaker 2: staircases are utilized on the twenty eighth of March.

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Speaker 6: We we just have one staircase and the well. There

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Speaker 6: are two in the building. One you know, that goes up.

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Speaker 5: That's where everyone is thaing to.

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Speaker 6: We space people out every fifteen seconds, so there's it's

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Speaker 6: not crowded.

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Speaker 5: It's one person goes at a time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, great, And the earlier you get there you don't

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Speaker 2: sign up with time slots, the earlier you get there

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Speaker 2: probably the earlier you're allowed to start.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we actually assign heat times the week leading up

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Speaker 6: to the event. But if you don't register beforehand, that's okay.

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Speaker 6: You can just show up the day of and come

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Speaker 6: and participate and we'll fit you in whenever whenever you arrive.

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Speaker 6: So we welcome everyone.

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Speaker 2: It's like getting a tea, time to play golf. I

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Speaker 2: get it, I get it. So you know what time

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Speaker 2: you have to be there and how much? Is there

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Speaker 2: a minimum that you like people to raise? I assume

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Speaker 2: the way you raise money, And if I'm wrong, please

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Speaker 2: tell me that. We don't script these questions. Actually, as

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Speaker 2: you're probably figured.

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Speaker 1: Out by now, we kind of make it up.

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Speaker 2: As we go along. So is there a minimum? I

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Speaker 2: assume you get your friends, your fellow workers to say, hey,

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Speaker 2: I'll give you, you know, ten cents for every step

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Speaker 2: you climb, So that would be like eighty bucks, or

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Speaker 2: maybe someone's going to give you a dollar for every step,

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Speaker 2: a nice multiple there would be like almost eight hundred dollars.

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Speaker 2: Is that how it works?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Yes, So there is a registration fee of thirty five dollars,

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Speaker 6: and we encourage people to raise one hundred dollars, okay,

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Speaker 6: you know, for our mission, and we we have a

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Speaker 6: great group of people who are here to help coach

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Speaker 6: and support people if they are feeling, you know, worried

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Speaker 6: about meeting that minimum. But it's pretty attainable for folks

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Speaker 6: to achieve that one hundred dollars minimum.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and I'm assuming everybody should where, if possible, comfortable sneakers.

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Speaker 2: But you don't want to be wearing high heels, nobo.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to be Yeah, no, you want to

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Speaker 2: you want to be comfortable, and you would wear you know,

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Speaker 2: some sporting gear because I assume that as you grew

524
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Speaker 2: up a to be a great workout, and like anything else,

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Speaker 2: at the end of the workout, you know, you don't

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Speaker 2: want to be walking up there with you know, five layers.

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Speaker 2: This is an indoor event, folks. We're not talking about

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Speaker 2: Mount Everest. It may feel like Mount Everest when you

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Speaker 2: get up about it about the thirty fifth floor. But

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Speaker 2: this is great, This is really great. Actually, so how

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Speaker 2: could how could folks register? Give it? Give us that information,

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Speaker 2: because that's that's the most important question.

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Speaker 6: Sure, yeah, if you want to register, you can visit

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Speaker 6: our website. It's fight for air Climb dot org, slash

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Speaker 6: Boston perfect and registrations open. The event is on March

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Speaker 6: twenty eight, So if you know, if you're on the fence,

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Speaker 6: haven't decided, you could just show up to day of

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Speaker 6: and we will welcome you with open arms.

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Speaker 2: Okay, give us that one, give us that website. One

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Speaker 2: more time, because I'm sure this is going to call

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Speaker 2: Rob later on this evening. Fight Fight for air Climb

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Speaker 2: is that it?

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Speaker 6: Yes, it's Fight for air Climb dot org, slash Boston.

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Speaker 2: All Right, thank you so much, Ashley. It's a great cause.

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Speaker 2: Obviously all of us we have to breathe every day,

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Speaker 2: and that it's so important that the air be good

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Speaker 2: quality and that we be in good shape. And I

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Speaker 2: suspect what percent last question? The last question? I hope

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Speaker 2: the answers one hundred percent, but realistically what percentage of

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Speaker 2: people who attempt this make it all away?

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Speaker 6: Pretty close to one hundred percent? I you know I couldn't.

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Speaker 2: That's good.

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Speaker 6: I can't remember a time that someone was not able

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Speaker 6: to finish.

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Speaker 2: That's the best answer you could give. Ashley. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for a nonscripted interview. You did just great.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Ashley, Thank you appreciated long association, my pleasure. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much. All Right, when we come back, our

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Speaker 2: fourth and final guest is Hillary Burns, Boston Globe Higher

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Speaker 2: Education reporter. And this is an ongoing debate that's going

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Speaker 2: on whether or not you really need to spend four

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Speaker 2: years in and around a college campus to earn that

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Speaker 2: Bachelor of the BA or the BS degree Bachelor of Science,

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Speaker 2: Bachelor of Sciences, or Bachelor of Arts. And I think

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Speaker 2: it's a really interesting question. We'll discuss that with Hillary

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Speaker 2: Burns and the Boston Globe right after a quick break

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Speaker 2: here on Nightside.

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Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm w Boston's

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Speaker 1: News Radio.

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Speaker 2: What a welcome, Hillary Burns, Boston Globe Higher Education reporter

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Speaker 2: to the program. Hillary, Welcome, How are you tonight?

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Speaker 8: I'm doing well. Thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Well, you have a great piece here inside the heated

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Speaker 2: debate over three year bachelor degrees. I'm kind of open

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Speaker 2: minded on this. I understand the economic aspect of this,

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Speaker 2: where three years will save you twenty five percent on

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Speaker 2: a four year graduation program. But has this gotten off

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Speaker 2: the ground anywhere or are we talking still at this

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Speaker 2: point about an idea that has not really materialized.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a good question.

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Speaker 8: So here in Massachusetts, this is just an idea. It

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Speaker 8: hasn't taken off yet. And last month, the state's Board

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Speaker 8: of Higher Education voted to allow college and universities to

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Speaker 8: start experimenting with innovative degree offerings.

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Speaker 4: So that really.

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Speaker 8: Opens the door for schools to start offering or proposing

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Speaker 8: bachelor's degrees that could be finished in three years and

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Speaker 8: what would would require fewer than one hundred and twenty credits,

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Speaker 8: which is the standard for a four year degree.

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Speaker 4: So this is a big opportunity.

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Speaker 7: For schools and it will be really interesting to see.

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Speaker 8: What schools across the state jump in. First, we've heard

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Speaker 8: Merrimack College has long been interested in this, and then

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Speaker 8: Baypath University in Long Meadow told me that this is

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Speaker 8: something they're working.

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Speaker 7: On and see a lot of opportunity for well.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting. You certainly are right when you say one

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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty credits. The way that works out is

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Speaker 2: it's thirty credits a year in the traditional college where

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Speaker 2: you're doing the fall winter and then the winter spring,

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Speaker 2: and you have the summer off. You're talking about what

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Speaker 2: is it fifteen credits, So it'd be like probably five

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Speaker 2: courses three credit hours. So over the course of a

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Speaker 2: four year education, there's probably forty different courses that you're

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Speaker 2: going to deal with, many of which are required courses,

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Speaker 2: and then you have your electives. If you cut it

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Speaker 2: down to three years, it would seem to me that

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Speaker 2: you're going to go from forty courses or one hundred

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Speaker 2: and twenty hours, probably down somewhere around thirty courses over

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Speaker 2: for ninety hours. If you lose twenty five percent, you

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Speaker 2: save twenty five percent intuition. But if you lose twenty

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Speaker 2: five percent off your college education, is it really worth it?

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Speaker 2: Would be the question I would have.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a good question, and that's one that critics

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Speaker 8: of this, including you know, many college leaders, they're quite

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Speaker 8: skeptical of this idea and say, well, every class is

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Speaker 8: important and we need we're living in a time where

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Speaker 8: people need more education, not less education, and is now

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Speaker 8: really the time to lower the standard to, you know,

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Speaker 8: from one hundred and twenty credits to ninety But some

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Speaker 8: of the schools I spoke with, so Johnson and Wales.

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Speaker 7: And Rhode Island, they have this up and running.

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Speaker 8: They've had the green light.

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Speaker 7: From their regulators there.

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Speaker 8: So they started this last year experimenting with three year

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Speaker 8: degrees and they have about ninety students signed up for

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Speaker 8: it right now, and the president said that those students

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Speaker 8: are doing really well and in liking the program. She said,

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Speaker 8: they come in knowing what they want to do. So

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Speaker 8: what you don't get are the elective courses, but you're

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Speaker 8: taking all the required general ED and major courses and

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Speaker 8: then you just get into the workforce faster.

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Speaker 4: So she said that that's what a lot.

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Speaker 8: Of her students want. They've been hearing for a long time,

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Speaker 8: this demand for a faster, less expensive option Bypath University

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Speaker 8: told me that they serve a lot of adult learners

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Speaker 8: and they think a lot of their adult learners will

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Speaker 8: want a faster option that's more affordable to get them

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Speaker 8: into the workforce faster.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you talk about Johnson and Wales, that's a

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Speaker 2: culinary school. If I'm cruel, maybe they have other degrees

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Speaker 2: that they grant as well. But if you know you

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Speaker 2: want to spend your life as a chef, and I

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Speaker 2: can understand that, you can go ahead as your career

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Speaker 2: goes on and take some courses on philosophy or psychology

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Speaker 2: or whatever you want, but you know you're you're directed

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Speaker 2: at what you want. But a four year college, let's say,

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Speaker 2: like a Merrimac. If they do go to any four

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Speaker 2: year college, traditional liberal arts college that goes to from

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Speaker 2: four years to three years, I wonder if they change

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Speaker 2: the degrees of their prior graduates who have been there

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Speaker 2: for four years.

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Speaker 8: It's a good question. So most people I've spoke with said,

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Speaker 8: this is not going to be for everyone, So we're

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Speaker 8: not going to swap this in and completely swap out

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Speaker 8: the four year for the three year. But for some

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Speaker 8: students this will be a good option. So I'll be

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Speaker 8: watching closely to see what types of programs come online.

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Speaker 8: I imagine this won't work for every major, but for

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Speaker 8: some majors it people seem to think that maybe you

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Speaker 8: could get.

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Speaker 7: There in three years and get into the workforce faster,

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Speaker 7: and then down the road decide you want.

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Speaker 6: That fourth year to.

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Speaker 8: Get the complete bachelor's degree, or you want to go

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Speaker 8: on if you want to go on to a.

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Speaker 4: Graduate school, you could do that. They're calling these degrees.

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Speaker 8: There's a little bit of a around what to call them,

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Speaker 8: but some people are referring to them as Bachelors of

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Speaker 8: practice or career ready bachelor's degrees.

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Speaker 7: So there's a bit of a distinction there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that also is some what I would consider be

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Speaker 2: very awkward phraseology. Look, there there are schools that offer

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Speaker 2: associates degrees for two years, and a lot of those

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Speaker 2: degrees are adequate for individuals, and some of them then

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Speaker 2: take those credits and that degree and they tackle on

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Speaker 2: the additional two years. I just think it's funny. It's

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Speaker 2: it's going to come down to marketing. How is it marketed?

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Speaker 2: I I just think it's a big step for the schools,

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Speaker 2: and the cost of a college degree, no matter where

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Speaker 2: you go, has only increased over time, and I think

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Speaker 2: that's what's real. I think that's what's really pushing this.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of the schools who are seeing drop

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Speaker 2: offs and applications and they're doing whatever they can. I

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Speaker 2: don't know has this been considered historically. I asked these

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Speaker 2: questions because I don't know the answers. Hillary. Was there

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Speaker 2: ever sort of a push for this back in the

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Speaker 2: eighties or the nineties and it sort of went away?

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Speaker 2: Is this something that has come that comes around every thirty,

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Speaker 2: twenty five or thirty years, or is this the first

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Speaker 2: real serious discussion about three year college degrees full college degrees.

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Speaker 8: It's really been in the past decade or so that

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Speaker 8: this has become a pretty robust debate. I heard it

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Speaker 8: did come up during the Obama administration.

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Speaker 7: But it didn't really go far.

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Speaker 1: But it was.

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Speaker 8: Discussed and there was there was open mindedness around it.

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Speaker 8: But really there's a professor in Pennsylvania, Robert Zemski, a

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Speaker 8: retired professor, and he's been advocating for three year degrees

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Speaker 8: for a while now and working with schools to experiment

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Speaker 8: with them.

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Speaker 7: And he does have a.

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Speaker 8: Smattering of schools around the country that are are working

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Speaker 8: on this, and he's been up to Merrimack to talk

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Speaker 8: to college leaders about why it's important.

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Speaker 7: I think right now in higher ed there's you know,

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Speaker 7: the more people than ever.

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Speaker 8: Are questioning the value of a college degree. As you said,

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Speaker 8: the sticker price keeps going up and up and up,

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Speaker 8: and I think people just want more options, and schools

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Speaker 8: are realizing we got to think outside the box and

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Speaker 8: try things and see what sticks and what works for

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Speaker 8: people and work for employers. Johnson and Wales said they

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Speaker 8: did have a lot of discussions with employers, whether that's

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Speaker 8: big hotel chains or they have a criminal criminal justice

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Speaker 8: program and graphic design as well, so they talk with

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Speaker 8: employers before launching this. So it'll be really interesting to

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Speaker 8: see where it goes from here.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Hillary, I enjoyed the conversation. Really good. Good piece.

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Speaker 2: That piece I think will be in your piece. I

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Speaker 2: think will be in the Globe tomorrow if I'm not.

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Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken.

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Speaker 5: I believe it might be over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: I know it was posted in digital form today, which

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Speaker 2: means that tomorrow, But folks who read their globes keep

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Speaker 2: an eye out for because it's really well done piece.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Hillary, pleasure to nice to get to know you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. When we get back, we are

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Speaker 2: going to talk about a very interesting case that was

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Speaker 2: argued in front of the Massachusetts State Supreme Court on Monday,

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Speaker 2: whether or not the Lauren Massachusetts should change to be

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Speaker 2: consistent with a Supreme US Supreme Court decision which essentially

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Speaker 2: would allow people eighteen nineteen and twenty to purchase and

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Speaker 2: own and carry concealed weapons guns here in Massachusetts. Big Step,

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Speaker 2: I have some questions. I'm a pretty pro gun guy.

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Speaker 2: I'm a pro second amendmic guy, but I have questions

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Speaker 2: about this, and I suspect some of you will as well.

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Speaker 2: Feel free to join in six point seven two, five, four,

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Speaker 2: ten thirty