1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Happy a cheater, one sake, bouquet of roses at a time. 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Four of the Roses starts right now on kt WB. 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: Okay, I want to let you know we've had some 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 2: unusual war of the Roses lately and this one fits 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: right into that one. So this is not just like 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: they're cheating. I'll want to find out who they send 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 2: roses to. This is I want to have Madison explain 8 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: the whole thing, because you know the story better than 9 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: I do. Madison, you're on KATIEWB, go ahead and tell 10 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 2: us what we're doing today. 11 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: What's up? 12 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 3: Hi? 13 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 4: So, yeah, I, my husband and I have not been 14 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 4: having the best time lately, like things have been very 15 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 4: weird at home. And so he was caught the other 16 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 4: night by my friends. He was up holding this woman 17 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 4: from like behind, undeniable. Stuff's going on. My friend saw 18 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 4: him and took pictures and sent them to me. 19 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: Okay, what did you see in the pictures? 20 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 4: Kind of like you remember that Chris Martin Thing's funny? Then, yes, 21 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 4: like he's just like got his arms around this woman. 22 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 4: It's like noodling her and it's just undeniable. 23 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: Okay, So so he's out and you maybe did you. 24 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: Know he was at or did he lie and say 25 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: he was somewhere else? 26 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 4: Oh no, he's been lying up the storm about everything. 27 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 4: I didn't know where he was. 28 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 2: So what a dummy to go to. Yeah, there are 29 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: gonna be people who might know you. And sure enough, 30 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: your your who was it your sister? That's who saw him? 31 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 4: My friend? 32 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: Okay, so your friend sends a picture. 33 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 4: Yeah okay, yep, And so I am just like he 34 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 4: gets home and I'm like, get your shoe and get 35 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 4: out of here because I showed him the pictures. 36 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: Oh boy, Yeah, and he denied that. 37 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you just can't. And so anyway, he's been 38 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 4: gone since then, and I'm just assuming he's probably staying 39 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 4: with this person. And I have her number because my 40 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 4: friends knew her and gave me her number, and I 41 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 4: I just want to like tell her that he's married 42 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 4: or you know, was what. It's not going to be long. 43 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 2: But like, okay, so they're both dumb. So they go 44 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: to a place where she knows people. Uh huh, he 45 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: knows people. What would make you do that unless you're like, 46 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: I'm so into this person and I'm so done with 47 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: my marriage. 48 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: I don't care who sees. 49 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 3: Like at that point, just leave, like, leave your partner, 50 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 3: your wife. You know what I'm saying, don't go. 51 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're not calling to find out whether he's cheating. 52 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: What are we calling? 53 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 4: Who? 54 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: We got her phone number? We're calling her. 55 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 5: I want to I don't. 56 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 4: I hope, I mean, I hope she doesn't know that 57 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 4: he's married. I just want to tell her this person 58 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 4: is actually married. So, you know, I feel. 59 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 6: Like ninety percent of the time i'd say that the 60 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 6: person does not know that their partner is married. 61 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know about that. I think initially, oh, 62 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: one hundred percent. There are so many people that are 63 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: willing to cheat with married people. Yeah, oh, one hundred percent. 64 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. 65 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 3: Shout out to your friend for telling you, for getting 66 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 3: you this girl's number. 67 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: Your friend came to clutch. Can't for taking pictures. Yes, 68 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: she came out good. 69 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 4: Friends, had a good husband, But I got a good friend. 70 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: She ever thought about going in the FBI? All right, 71 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: we'll make the phone call. Well, well, I will get 72 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 2: her on the phone. Okay, I'm not sure we've never 73 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: done this before, but we will just say, hey, I'll. 74 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: Just tell her who I am. 75 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: It's like, all right, it's Dave Ryan over here, there's 76 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: somebody on the phone that wants to talk to you. 77 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: Let's just try that. Okay, Yeah, let's do it. Okay, 78 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: we'll do. 79 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: It when we come right then, spoiler alert, someone's about 80 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: to get exposed. Part two of Where the Roses starts 81 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: right now on one on one point three kd w B. Well, 82 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 2: it's a different War of the Roses this time because 83 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: she knows her husband has been seeing this woman, and 84 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 2: didn't she kick him out of the house. 85 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: I mean, she's like, you had to go. 86 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so she wants to call the woman that 87 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 2: he's been cheating with and tell her I don't know 88 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 2: if you know this, but that's my husband. 89 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and just like kind of catch him in the act, 90 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: like I know, and then see what this other woman said. 91 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 4: Yeah. 92 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a great idea or a 93 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: bad idea. It is an idea though, it is for sure. 94 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 2: Let's make the phone call on kd WB and see 95 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: what happens. Hello, Hi, I'm calling for Justine. Please, Hi, Justine, 96 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:16,239 Speaker 2: It's it's Dave Dave Ryan over at KDWB radio. And 97 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 2: do you ever listen to KDWB. 98 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 7: Yes, did I win? 99 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: No. 100 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 2: Oh ouch, no, But that's a logical question because but 101 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 2: here's the funny thing. I don't quite know how to 102 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: break this year. First of all, nobody died, okay, but 103 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: I don't have the best news for you. 104 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: Nobody's in the hospital. Nobody died. 105 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 2: But there is somebody on the phone who called me 106 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 2: and asked me to call you so she could speak 107 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: to you here on KATIEWB. Do you know a woman 108 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 2: named Madison? 109 00:05:58,600 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 3: Uh? 110 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: Yes, Madison. 111 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: Is here on the phone, and Madison wants to talk 112 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: to you. 113 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 4: Okay, Oh there, I just heard that. You do know 114 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 4: who I am? I just but I was hoping to 115 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 4: give you the benefit of the doubt and let you 116 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 4: know that Troy is married. 117 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 7: If you don't know, this is a liar. 118 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 4: Oh, I know he's married, Madison. I know he's married. 119 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 7: I know all about you. God, this is so weird. Yeah, 120 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 7: I've heard all about you. I know how you treat him. 121 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 4: I know. 122 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 7: How you won't touch him. 123 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 3: I know. 124 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 7: All the things I've heard you talk about him. 125 00:06:58,320 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 4: I know. 126 00:06:59,720 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 5: Yeah. 127 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 7: Yeah, why are you calling? Wow? I am so stunned. 128 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 4: What Wow? You are? 129 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 7: Really? 130 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: You? I am? 131 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 4: I thought like I would call you and give you 132 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 4: the benefit of the doubt, you know, but because you 133 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 4: don't what for not not being part of something like this? 134 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 4: But I guess not my mistake. 135 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 7: Oh my god, listen you. He tells me all about 136 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 7: how you you spend all your money on, like stupid 137 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 7: things like designer bags that are half are fake and wow, 138 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 7: sad mouth him constantly. You're not a good wife, You're 139 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 7: not a happy marriage. I don't know why that, you know. 140 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 7: Are you surprised that he is not wanting to be 141 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 7: with you anymore? 142 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 4: You guys, I guess to have my answer. This is 143 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 4: an you know this sign. You guys deserve each other. 144 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 4: I thought you would. 145 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 7: See you you just want the drama. You went on 146 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 7: the radio to do that, and you thought you're gonna 147 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 7: have that big confrontation and turns out, jokes on you, Madison. 148 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 7: You have done this to yourself. 149 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 5: Now. 150 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 4: The joke's on you because you're stuck with this nasty, 151 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 4: nasty man. 152 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 7: So okay, that's all I wanted you guys. Thank you 153 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 7: harng him on. No, it's all right, I love it. 154 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 4: Bring it. 155 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 5: You ruined your own. 156 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 7: Marriage, honey, you wrecked your. 157 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 4: Own home, Madison. 158 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 7: Okay, good. 159 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 4: You guys deserve each other. Thank you. 160 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: I don't want to pick sides here, but they both 161 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 2: sound I don't know. Somebody did text in and say, 162 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: Justine sounds hot. 163 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. 164 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 2: Really, that's the point if that's what you got out 165 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: of this war with the Roses, is that Justine sounds hot. 166 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: Another text says Justine sounds drunk. 167 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: Well, okay, maybe she says, oh, so that he was married. Yeah, 168 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: that's the crux of it. She knew that he was married. 169 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 3: But Dave and I said, there are plenty of people 170 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 3: that are fine like sleeping with people know when they're married. 171 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 172 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 6: I felt like I was watching back and forth on 173 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 6: like Real Housewives kind of situation, like it. 174 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: Was catty argument a little bit like that. 175 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, there was less swearing than there would be a Housewives. 176 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I agree. 177 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 6: I just think that anyone is ridiculous to start a 178 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 6: relationship based off of cheating. 179 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. 180 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 6: I know there's a lot of people out there that 181 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 6: like that's how you ended up with your partner, But 182 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 6: I think it's a long road of trying to build 183 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 6: trust in a relationship like that. 184 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: I totally agree. I just it sucks that it does happen. 185 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 1: It is a reality. I think you're right, it is 186 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: a reality. 187 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 2: We can all sit there and judge, but I don't 188 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 2: know people will you know, people will do what people 189 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: will do, and we can judge. But sometimes it does 190 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 2: work out. Maybe there's a couple that should have never 191 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: been married. But I mean the obvious thing is to like, well, 192 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 2: leave and break up before you cheat. 193 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: But I don't know. What do you think? What did 194 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: we miss? On War of the Roses. 195 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: There's a text that says that wife sounds like an 196 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: absolute d bag. I'm not surprised the guy is cheating. 197 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: Wow. 198 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 2: Another one says, this lady is awful. I know he's married. 199 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 2: How dumb is this lady? Of course, the cheating husband 200 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: complains about his wife. 201 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 4: Well yeah. 202 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: Another text says, so who gets the flowers? Again? 203 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: I think you might have missed the whole point War 204 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 2: of the Roses. On Katie WB, we do have somebody 205 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: on the phone with a commentary. Tolanda Yolanda, Good morning, Jolanda, 206 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: Hi Jelanda, good morning. 207 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: Your thoughts. 208 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 5: Please have a little input on that. For the lady 209 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 5: who's cheating with the cheating her husband, Justine, he's sound 210 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 5: to be pretty happy and believing of the of the husband. 211 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 5: What are he's saying about his wife? That is the 212 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 5: typical cheating husband. Oh my wife is so bad and 213 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 5: she does this, she puts me down and she buy 214 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 5: a designer bag. She buy me buy her own bag 215 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 5: because he can't buy her bag. 216 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: Talk about talk about it, Golanda. 217 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 7: It's not even okay a married man period. 218 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: Honestly, that's thanks for calling in. Have a good day. 219 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: This text agrees that they say. 220 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 6: I feel like people that blindly take someone's word about 221 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 6: how terrible their spouse is while they're cheating deserve what 222 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 6: they did. 223 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. 224 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 6: I would also say, be wary of someone who constantly 225 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 6: says that their ax was crazy. Yeah, because that's like 226 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 6: a lack of emotional maturity. 227 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: What if they really are crazy? Though? I think about 228 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: this once in a while. 229 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 2: It's like, you know what, you know, if Susan and 230 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 2: I have split up, I wouldn't be like, oh, she's crazy, 231 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 2: she's crazy. 232 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: But Julie I would. 233 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 2: Have said she's crazy because she was the meanest woman 234 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: I've ever met in my life. 235 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: Was she crazier to just do things that you didn't like? 236 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: Like actions? Her actions were things you didn't like. That too, 237 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: Yeah she wasn't crazy. You're right. 238 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 2: She was very, very lucid. Yeah she wasn't crazy. But 239 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 2: she was a mean, mean woman. But I still loved 240 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: her because sometimes you do