Speaker 1: Right back on the Big one seven hundred w l
Speaker 1: W nine oh eight Monday morning. I hope you had
Speaker 1: a great weekend. Scott Sloan taking a day off as
Speaker 1: he normally does after a big Buffalo Bill's game, so
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, letting the adrenaline bleed off. I
Speaker 1: think I think Soloni is back tomorrow. But anyway, I'm
Speaker 1: Dan Carroll sitting in for Sloni. Glad to be here,
Speaker 1: Glad you are here as well. A ton of ground
Speaker 1: to cover today coming up in the eleven o'clock hour.
Speaker 1: I started reading a book last night called Pig Latin,
Speaker 1: the seriously funny true story of a former police officer.
Speaker 1: Really good book written by a guy used to be
Speaker 1: a cop. His name is Eric Tansey out of Clayton,
Speaker 1: North Carolina, and we're gonna be talking to him about
Speaker 1: his book and just some of some excellent writing, excellent storytelling.
Speaker 1: Kevin Aldridge from The Inquiry will be here in ten
Speaker 1: o'clock hour. We'll talk about everything that's happening in Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: including the idea that we're going to have a settlement
Speaker 1: for the Hinton fan. I don't know why a settlement
Speaker 1: is necessary, but apparently there it's in the work. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about that. We'll talk about the tax increase and
Speaker 1: other stuff. But starting off today with a guy I've
Speaker 1: had on the show a number of times, Adam B. Coleman.
Speaker 1: Adam B. Coleman is an author. His book is Black
Speaker 1: Victim to Black Victor. He's also the founder of Wrong
Speaker 1: Speak Publishing. He writes columns regularly in The New York Post.
Speaker 1: And Adam B. Coleman, it is great to have you
Speaker 1: back on seven hundred WLW. Happy New Year to you.
Speaker 1: How are you.
Speaker 2: Happy New Year? I'm doing all right. I'm getting over
Speaker 2: a cold, so my voice sounds weird.
Speaker 3: That's fine.
Speaker 1: You're getting over a cold, aren't we all? Aren't we
Speaker 1: all talk a little about I'm just scrolling through some
Speaker 1: of the columns that you've written here recently, and I
Speaker 1: want to talk about your your travels to Europe, that
Speaker 1: you were in Europe not too long ago. But first
Speaker 1: of all, I want to talk about what's happening in
Speaker 1: New York City with Zorahan Montani. And we watched this
Speaker 1: unfold off almost like it was in slow motion. He
Speaker 1: won the primary. It was pretty inevitable that he was
Speaker 1: going to become the mayor. He won by an overwhelming majority.
Speaker 1: We had this, We had this, I call it an
Speaker 1: orgy of socialism during his swearing in, and now the
Speaker 1: people are starting, the people of New York City are
Speaker 1: starting to get a little taste of what the reality
Speaker 1: of his socialist vision is like. How what are your
Speaker 1: observations when you look at what's happening in New York City.
Speaker 2: My observations is that none of it surprises me. I
Speaker 2: think it's a lot different when you and I are
Speaker 2: reading between the lines. People don't believe us when we
Speaker 2: say that this person is a socialist or this person
Speaker 2: is communists or communist friendly. It's another thing where the
Speaker 2: person says I am a socialist and then he starts
Speaker 2: doing socialist thing. Our jobs are easier, but we shouldn't
Speaker 2: be shocked when he starts doing socialist things. In my opinion,
Speaker 2: this is the second socialist mayor they've had in my lifetime,
Speaker 2: because the Blasio was one of them. But he wasn't
Speaker 2: outright calling himself that he was just behaving in that way.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm not surprised that all the different people
Speaker 2: that he's starting to put onto his cabinet are also socialists.
Speaker 2: I'm also not surprised that they're are the upper class
Speaker 2: socialists types, which is of course they are. So Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is going to affect all the New York City,
Speaker 2: of all the New York City residents. I think at
Speaker 2: some point, his lack of actual work experience. Nevertheless, governance
Speaker 2: is going to come into play, and we're going to
Speaker 2: see that his ability to lead as a as a
Speaker 2: mayor of a you know, the most the major city
Speaker 2: and the most largest city in America. I don't know
Speaker 2: if he'll be able to keep up with all the
Speaker 2: pressure that's going to come from it and what people
Speaker 2: expect from him. But at the same time, he's very
Speaker 2: much so ideological and gun hull on doing social things.
Speaker 2: So I think New York is going to reput itself. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Fortunately, he spent so much of his campaign talking about
Speaker 1: affordability and how he was going to make buses free
Speaker 1: and he was going to make it really cheap to
Speaker 1: ride the subway and the trains, and a couple of
Speaker 1: days after he got sworn in, well, what do you know,
Speaker 1: the fees went up for the trains, the fees went
Speaker 1: up for the buses, and people are having a condiption
Speaker 1: about that he was never able to control those things anyway,
Speaker 1: because all that is done at the state level. But
Speaker 1: yet he campaigned on this issue that he was going
Speaker 1: to be the one who changed all that. And I
Speaker 1: think a perfect example of the way this is going
Speaker 1: to roll out, he had an event at a Bronx
Speaker 1: apartment building and he introduced his commissioner of whatever, his commissioner,
Speaker 1: the commissioner of someone who's going to oversee all the
Speaker 1: rental properties in all of New York City, and he
Speaker 1: talked about what a great example of the work that
Speaker 1: this person does, and look at this building. And then
Speaker 1: here's a building where that you know, this person is
Speaker 1: going to make all the rest of the buildings in
Speaker 1: New York just like this one. Well, the New York
Speaker 1: Post went in there and they found they looked at
Speaker 1: this building, they found more than two hundred violations, eighty
Speaker 1: eight of which are considered immediately hazardous. So you've got
Speaker 1: situations where you've got broken doors, you've got mold, you've
Speaker 1: got infestations of rats and roaches and all kinds of
Speaker 1: other stuff. It is an absolute dump, an absolute crap
Speaker 1: hole of a building. And Mandani is out there saying,
Speaker 1: look at this building. We are going to turn the
Speaker 1: rest of the buildings in New York City is going
Speaker 1: to be just like this one. It's going to be great,
Speaker 1: So I tell you, and you just talked about that
Speaker 1: lack of experience that he has, and I think it
Speaker 1: really showed up in this particular, this particular instance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so people don't less understand all politicians lie, right,
Speaker 2: it's just a matter of right how much, but socialists
Speaker 2: lie to a magnificent amount in comparison, because it's not
Speaker 2: just the lie. It's not like making up something. It's
Speaker 2: the lie of a mission. It's the constant redirect. It's
Speaker 2: lying about stuff you have no control over, pretending that
Speaker 2: you do have control over it, making sure that people
Speaker 2: who are ignorant of it never find out, and when
Speaker 2: they do, it's too late. And so yes, you're going
Speaker 2: to find stuff like this all the time because communists lie.
Speaker 2: It reminds me of a conversation with someone who's rather
Speaker 2: independent minded and he's like, actually kind of like Mam Donnie,
Speaker 2: And I said, why is that? And he's like, you know,
Speaker 2: he's like, well, he's asking me, did you listen to
Speaker 2: him give speeches and I'm thinking to myself, you must
Speaker 2: not understand how socialists work. It doesn't matter what they say.
Speaker 2: They're ideological. The ideology leads them, right, they're going to
Speaker 2: lie to you or they don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 2: So he's not known for his economic policy. I'm not
Speaker 2: even sure how well he does when it comes to
Speaker 2: math or understanding how money works, and even in the
Speaker 2: most general sense. So he speaks policy wise like a
Speaker 2: five year old. But the difference is this, where socialists
Speaker 2: get it right is that they're good at identifying what
Speaker 2: the problem is. And unfortunately that's all most people want.
Speaker 2: They just want to see that you see that the problem.
Speaker 2: So he recognizes that the fairs are too high, but
Speaker 2: the tolls are too high, right, and that's what people care.
Speaker 2: He sees the problem, so he must know the solution.
Speaker 2: It's like no, Socialist solutions are always terrible. Great at
Speaker 2: noticing the problem, the prescriptions are always terrible.
Speaker 1: And see what you're saying right there. And this is
Speaker 1: what I've said repeatedly about this guy becoming the mayor
Speaker 1: of New York City is that this really represents and
Speaker 1: highlights the failure of our educational system because there are
Speaker 1: so many people that, especially young people, that support this
Speaker 1: guy in New York City, and they have no clue
Speaker 1: what socialism not sometimes brings, what might bring, what it
Speaker 1: always brings. And it seems that by and large a
Speaker 1: lot of these people that voted for him have no
Speaker 1: concept of that whatsoever. And they should have learned that
Speaker 1: in school a long time ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then there's also this almost like social gas
Speaker 2: lighting whenever you bring up communism, as if communism is
Speaker 2: this Cold War thing that doesn't exist. Meanwhile, we have
Speaker 2: communist Cuba, We had a communist Venezuela that we just
Speaker 2: you know, took me Dora from. We have our biggest adversary,
Speaker 2: which is literally called the CCP Chinese Party. Like, it's
Speaker 2: not a pretend thing that is of the yesteryear. It
Speaker 2: is a real thing that is happening in real time,
Speaker 2: and it is adversarial to our nation. Hey, hey, there
Speaker 2: are communists going around. It's like the people who try
Speaker 2: to make it seem like McCarthy was this crazy person
Speaker 2: or were there actual communists trying to undermine this country? So, yes,
Speaker 2: there are communists that are here. There are communists who
Speaker 2: are saying things in hopes that you're not familiar with communism,
Speaker 2: and they want to pretend that the stuff that even
Speaker 2: if you're bringing out from the Cold War, it's not
Speaker 2: how it was supposed to be done. But you did
Speaker 2: it wrong, don't they all do it wrong? And actually
Speaker 2: communist China is actually doing it right, as they censor
Speaker 2: the Internet so you can't see or criticize them appropriately.
Speaker 2: So you know there's a lot of ignorance when it
Speaker 2: comes to this stuff. Never trust the socialists. Never trust
Speaker 2: the communists that all they do is operate off of lives.
Speaker 1: The last time I wanted to have you on the show,
Speaker 1: you weren't able to do it because you were traveling.
Speaker 1: You were out of the country, and you went to
Speaker 1: Europe and you talk about you wrote a column about it,
Speaker 1: and you talk about how you've been traveling there for
Speaker 1: over a decade and so you've seen the changes in
Speaker 1: places like Paris and some other European cities, and you
Speaker 1: talk about what you witness then and what you witness
Speaker 1: just a couple of months ago, and talk about that
Speaker 1: a little bit. Because I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: connection here. I think what Mondannie wants to bring to
Speaker 1: New York City because he is an Islamist and what
Speaker 1: he wants to bring He and people like Bernie Sanders said, look,
Speaker 1: what Mondanni is doing in New York City is what
Speaker 1: Democrats need to do in the rest of the country.
Speaker 1: So there's no hiding in that particular agenda. But I
Speaker 1: think all we have to do is look at what
Speaker 1: is happening in Europe, and that should be a warning.
Speaker 1: Segmal I think too, we don't need this in the
Speaker 1: United States.
Speaker 2: Yes, And this becomes kind of a delicate topic because
Speaker 2: obviously Americans are used to immigrants, right, you know, we
Speaker 2: say we're a country of immigrants, right, But it is
Speaker 2: not the same as to what is happening in Europe,
Speaker 2: and it is not the same whatsoever. This isn't even necessarily
Speaker 2: about Muslims or anything like that. It is how they're
Speaker 2: approaching immigration and what is it resulting into. And so
Speaker 2: when I'm going through Hungary, when I'm going through the
Speaker 2: Czech Republic, you know, I'm looking and noticing that it
Speaker 2: looks a particular way. Meanwhile, these are the countries that
Speaker 2: receive the most flack from the EU for not taking
Speaker 2: in more immigrants, and Hungry especially was making the case like, hey,
Speaker 2: we want to have our own immigration policy where we
Speaker 2: get to say who we want to take in and
Speaker 2: why we want to take them in, and just what
Speaker 2: people understand. I've met Muslims who actually went to Hungary.
Speaker 2: I met There's one particular guy who's Muslims from your
Speaker 2: end years ago that I met, But he was there
Speaker 2: on a PhD like he was a PhD student. That's
Speaker 2: why he was there. He might be contributing something to
Speaker 2: the Hungarian economy in the future, right, so there is
Speaker 2: a particular reason why he is there. So Hungary is
Speaker 2: this islamaphobic, hates everybody country. It is a common sense
Speaker 2: country which understands that it's culture needs to be preserved.
Speaker 2: We have to be very careful when it comes to
Speaker 2: managing people we bring here. It was vastly different when
Speaker 2: I'm leaving from the Czech Republic to head into Vienna,
Speaker 2: which Vienna I don't know if most people know this,
Speaker 2: but Vienna is mostly immigrants, so whether they're Eastern European,
Speaker 2: whether they're Muslims coming from the Middle East, but it
Speaker 2: is a mostly immigrant city. And that doesn't sound off
Speaker 2: maybe for some Americans, especially in major cities, who are
Speaker 2: used to seeing immigrants. But that is vastly different than
Speaker 2: what Europe is used to and it's happened in a
Speaker 2: very quick way. And when you have that many people
Speaker 2: show up, it changes the culture of the city. And
Speaker 2: when you have people who come from various different cultures,
Speaker 2: it changes how the city has run, how it looks.
Speaker 2: So I'm going through Vianna and it's a beautiful city
Speaker 2: that's covered in squalor, and there's certain sections like favoritson
Speaker 2: that I was actually staying in, which reminded me of Turkey.
Speaker 2: And I've been to Turkey, and there are beautiful parts
Speaker 2: of Turkey, right, but that's Turkey. Every country is a
Speaker 2: bit different. And what I'm seeing is the loss of
Speaker 2: the loss of Europe, where they're losing their identity and
Speaker 2: anyone who critiques it is called the name is slandered
Speaker 2: and things like that.
Speaker 1: And that's the point you make in your column, And
Speaker 1: so I relate that, and maybe I'm mistaken about this,
Speaker 1: but I relate that to what I see happening in Minneapolis.
Speaker 1: And when you have all this fraud that is associated
Speaker 1: with the Somali community there, and the daycarees and the
Speaker 1: home healthcare and all that kind of stuff. When you
Speaker 1: have all that going on and a lot of people
Speaker 1: dare to criticize that, Well, then you're called an islamaphobe,
Speaker 1: You're called a racist, you're called a bigot, you're called
Speaker 1: anti immigration, all that kind of stuff. So am I
Speaker 1: making the right connection there? Or am am I off
Speaker 1: base a little bit?
Speaker 2: No, you're making the right connection. And I'll even go
Speaker 2: as far as this, Well, I have a friend who
Speaker 2: is actually a refugee. She's Somali. She's a refugee from Kenya.
Speaker 2: She was in the refugee camps and Kenya came to America.
Speaker 2: It's probably the most pro American person I've ever met,
Speaker 2: lovely person, and she would get attacked from other Somalis
Speaker 2: when she would say, hey, this is wrong, we shouldn't
Speaker 2: be doing this. And so that's what happens going after whistleblowers.
Speaker 2: So when people say, where are the Somali who want
Speaker 2: to criticize this, Well, they live there and they will
Speaker 2: become after by the majority. Unfortunately, there is the culture
Speaker 2: about protecting itself, so you're not allowed to criticize these things.
Speaker 2: You're not allowed to criticize the culture of female mutilation, right,
Speaker 2: which is one of the things that she was publicly
Speaker 2: criticizing because that is something that is happening, whether it's
Speaker 2: happening here or they take the girls and send them
Speaker 2: overseas that do it, but it is still something that
Speaker 2: is being practiced, and most people don't want to talk
Speaker 2: about it because it is part of an immigrant community.
Speaker 2: And we're not supposed to criticize immigrants because of these poor
Speaker 2: few people who can't do anything wrong. So, you know,
Speaker 2: this is something that you know, managing people, managing cultures
Speaker 2: is delicate. America does a really good job at it
Speaker 2: at times, but not every time. And we can't be
Speaker 2: too brazen to think that we can't become like Europe.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and I appreciate I appreciate your your thoughts
Speaker 1: on that, and I think we get to the point
Speaker 1: to where we get when we have the debate on this,
Speaker 1: we get to the point to where we lose the
Speaker 1: ability to say, hey, there's nothing wrong with American culture.
Speaker 1: It would be great. You look, we want to respect
Speaker 1: where you come from, we want to respect what you're about.
Speaker 1: But when you come to America, you know, learn to
Speaker 1: speak the language, you know, or fly the American fleck. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, all this. You know, you know you're a
Speaker 1: you're a Somali American, or you're an African American or
Speaker 1: this or that American. Now why why don't you just
Speaker 1: try to become an American? And I think by and
Speaker 1: large American people respect that and love that. But when
Speaker 1: you go the other way around and you start talking
Speaker 1: about the American way of doing X, y or Z
Speaker 1: is wrong, then that's where the divide comes in.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, and listen, we're not Our country has changed
Speaker 2: over the years, over the decades, and I feel that
Speaker 2: we tend to progress in the right direction. Not with everything,
Speaker 2: but we tend to progress in the right direction. You know,
Speaker 2: today is not the nineteen sixties. You know, we've in
Speaker 2: certain social things, we've progressed in the right direction. But
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that everything that we've ever done is wrong,
Speaker 2: or that the central point or the central ideas of
Speaker 2: our nation are wrong. Right, we have a north star,
Speaker 2: and that's why we should follow towards We're going to
Speaker 2: get it wrong because human beings are imperfect, not just
Speaker 2: Americans are imperfect. But I think if we keep going
Speaker 2: towards that north star of having a culture that does
Speaker 2: the right thing, that is constitutional. That is accepting of
Speaker 2: people no matter the race, background or anything. As long
Speaker 2: as they are accepting of our culture, then we're cool
Speaker 2: with that. And so that's why some of my favorite
Speaker 2: people are in because they're here for.
Speaker 1: The right ingw.
Speaker 2: Yeah, many of them are more pro American than the Americans.
Speaker 2: They were born here.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that is beautiful. Yeah, And when it happens like that,
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful thing. Adam B. Coleman. This is why
Speaker 1: I love having you on because your takes on these
Speaker 1: things are are so refreshing and so uniquely your own.
Speaker 1: And I appreciate the time. I appreciate the work you do,
Speaker 1: and I always look at your columns in the New
Speaker 1: York Post. The book is Black Victim, the Black Victor.
Speaker 1: Adam B. Coleman. I can't thank you enough for the
Speaker 1: time today. Keep up the great work, and I certainly
Speaker 1: look forward to the conversations that we're going to have
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six years. All right, Adam BE Coleman, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you, all the best to you, and happy New year.
Speaker 1: Nine to twenty seven. Dan Carroll for Scott Sloan seven
Speaker 1: hundred WLW A right, seven hundred WLW nine thirty eight.
Speaker 1: Dan carrollin for Scott Sloan. So much going on today,
Speaker 1: so much ground to cover. My next guest is a
Speaker 1: state representative, Josh Williams. He serves the people of the
Speaker 1: House District forty four up in Lucas County, Ohio. And
Speaker 1: Josh Williams, your personal story is a is a great
Speaker 1: inspiration for all. Started college by the age of thirty,
Speaker 1: graduated from law school at the Toledo College of Law
Speaker 1: by the time you were thirty five. Josh Williams, First
Speaker 1: of all, it's great to have you back at seven
Speaker 1: hundred wlw.
Speaker 4: Andy, thanks for having me on this morning.
Speaker 1: Our own Bill Cunningham went to the Toledo College of Law.
Speaker 1: Do they have a special wing there for him, or
Speaker 1: a plaque or some sort of commemoration for the one
Speaker 1: and only the great American Bill Cunningham there at Toledo
Speaker 1: Law School.
Speaker 4: I didn't see anything while I was there, but we
Speaker 4: may have to put out some requests for special recognition.
Speaker 1: Well that, yeah, that is a serious oversight on their part,
Speaker 1: so see to it if you can do anything about that.
Speaker 1: Had we had you on the show, I don't know
Speaker 1: two three weeks ago when when you first came out
Speaker 1: with a letter that you sent to a DC wide
Speaker 1: Department of Children in Youth and you are calling for
Speaker 1: increased unannounced inspections of daycare centers across Ohio. All this
Speaker 1: on the heels of a lot of speculation that there
Speaker 1: may be a lot of unchecked fraud that has been
Speaker 1: going on in the Columbus area and all around Ohio.
Speaker 1: Since that time, I have seen I don't know a
Speaker 1: dozen videos or so of individuals who have gone around
Speaker 1: the Columbus area who have looked at some of these
Speaker 1: daycare centers who and look, you can't judge a book
Speaker 1: by a cover, but at the very least, I think
Speaker 1: it gives rise to the notion that these places which
Speaker 1: should be worthy of inspection or investigation. Have you seen
Speaker 1: some of these videos and have you been able to
Speaker 1: obtain any additional eviden and since you put out this
Speaker 1: call for increased inspection of these places.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we've had the opportunity to see.
Speaker 3: A lot of the social media videos that continue to
Speaker 3: raise concern in the Columbus area in Ohio and general,
Speaker 3: not only in our daycare centers, but also when it
Speaker 3: comes to home health AIDS or home daycare centers and
Speaker 3: other areas of public subsidies, public assistance that is right
Speaker 3: for fraud and abuse. We have come across additional evidence.
Speaker 3: Some of it is fraud related, some of it is
Speaker 3: abuse related, where people are just clearly abusing the system
Speaker 3: and the intentions, and we need to close those loopholes.
Speaker 3: But I'll even just point your listeners to the governor's
Speaker 3: own press conference where he admitted that they had conducted
Speaker 3: ten thousand inspections in the last year. We had over
Speaker 3: five thousand childcare centers in the state of Ohio, so
Speaker 3: that's on average two per center. They are required to
Speaker 3: at least do one per year. So of those ten
Speaker 3: thousand inspections, he didn't list how many violations there were,
Speaker 3: how many reimbursements there were, or shutdowns. What he did
Speaker 3: note was he noted that there was I believe around
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty four current complaints that were or
Speaker 3: tips that were levied to DCY in the state of
Speaker 3: Ohio since December, and of those one hundred and twenty four,
Speaker 3: over sixty facilities had to reimburse the State of Ohio
Speaker 3: is what he called them. Reimbursed the statable hiwh for overpayment,
Speaker 3: and that's the politically correct way of saying. Of the
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty four complaints from individuals in the public,
Speaker 3: private investigative journalists.
Speaker 4: Of those one hundred and twenty four.
Speaker 3: Complaints, sixty facilities were found to be committing some form
Speaker 3: of fraud to where they had to reimburse the state
Speaker 3: of ole Hire for overpayment. So the evidence is right
Speaker 3: in his own press conference because another word for overpayment
Speaker 3: and reimbursement is that they were paid for services that
Speaker 3: they did not render. They were caught only after these
Speaker 3: complaints were levied by the public, and only then was
Speaker 3: the state of Ohio reimbursed for it. But my questions are,
Speaker 3: why weren't they referred to the auditor's office for a
Speaker 3: full investigation? Why weren't why weren't they referred to the
Speaker 3: Attorney general for potential prosecution?
Speaker 1: I think that's a great question. And it was it
Speaker 1: Dwine himself or a spokesperson. I know I read that
Speaker 1: the phrase associated with this was, you know what a
Speaker 1: program like this, when money is going out, there's always
Speaker 1: going to be some fraud. It's the cost of doing business.
Speaker 1: Is that the right way that we should be looking
Speaker 1: at an issue like this, Hey, you know some people
Speaker 1: are stealing money. It's just the cost of doing business.
Speaker 3: Absolutely not not when it comes to fraud. Now, I
Speaker 3: believe that was a statement by his spokesmanber Des also
Speaker 3: had some statements that I disagree with as well, But
Speaker 3: that is not the cost of doing business for the
Speaker 3: state of Ohio. I will flip that phrase on its
Speaker 3: head when.
Speaker 4: I call for increased unannounced inspections.
Speaker 3: When you see the legislation that we will be introducing
Speaker 3: on Thursday, where we have a press conference schedule at
Speaker 3: two pm, which will be the most substantial oversight that
Speaker 3: we're going to see across the entire country on these
Speaker 3: childcare providers. When we introduce that legislation and the childcare
Speaker 3: providers start crying about this additional oversight, that's when you
Speaker 3: tell them, this is the cost of doing business. If
Speaker 3: you want to collect these public subsidies from the taxpayers
Speaker 3: where they pay for childcare services for children in the
Speaker 3: state of Ohio, and it's not the taxpayer's own child,
Speaker 3: you are going to have additional oversight met and it's
Speaker 3: going to be aligned with what current guidelines we have
Speaker 3: for group homes and what currently is occurring in the
Speaker 3: private sector where we see some really innovative things, and
Speaker 3: where we see some facilities actually using these type of
Speaker 3: techniques to avoid the type of supervision of children that
Speaker 3: they're supposed to do on a daily basis. But like
Speaker 3: I said, it's more than just fraud, there's also abuse
Speaker 3: of a system. So when I got a childcare provider
Speaker 3: that has three employees making minimum wage and the fifteen
Speaker 3: kids that they are watching are all children of the
Speaker 3: three employees, I think that's abuse of the system. That's
Speaker 3: not what it was designed to do. Those employees are
Speaker 3: eligible for these childcare subsidies because you are paying a
Speaker 3: minimum wage and you're essentially creating a cycle of poverty
Speaker 3: and making them dependent on hard working taxpayers to pay
Speaker 3: for childcare. I don't need to pay you to watch
Speaker 3: your own child, and we're seeing that time and time
Speaker 3: again at these childcare centers in the Columbus area because
Speaker 3: this is such a tight knit community.
Speaker 1: So it seems to me, Josh Williams, based on what
Speaker 1: you're saying, is that the apparatus is in place to
Speaker 1: have oversight of these programs, that the infrastructure is there
Speaker 1: for the auditing of these programs, and to make sure
Speaker 1: that this fraud doesn't happen. But for whatever reason, the
Speaker 1: people who were there, maybe they're turning their head. I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on, but that apparatus is not
Speaker 1: being used the way it's meant to be used.
Speaker 3: Correct. And when you hear the governor say there's been
Speaker 3: ten thousand inspections, he's not talking about fraud inspections.
Speaker 4: Some of these inspections.
Speaker 3: Are for safety concerns, and we you know, the next
Speaker 3: phase of citizen journalism in this straw scared. The state
Speaker 3: of Ohio is not knocking on the door of a
Speaker 3: daycare provider demanding to get entry, because if my child
Speaker 3: was in that daycare provider, I will feel a certain
Speaker 3: type of way of a stranger knocking on that door.
Speaker 3: And in the era of you know, people doing mass
Speaker 3: shootings and trying to bring harm to certain communities, you know,
Speaker 3: we don't want people trying to gain entry into these
Speaker 3: these daycare centers. But there is an area that's starting
Speaker 3: to expand with public involvement, and that's going through all
Speaker 3: of these inspection reports finding how egregious some of these
Speaker 3: inspection reports are. I've been referred to some of them
Speaker 3: by constituents and other individuals across the state of Ohio.
Speaker 3: And you know, my head Cook. We had a conversation
Speaker 3: about some of these inspection reports that she cited in
Speaker 3: some of her reporting on this about the safety concerns
Speaker 3: that are in some of these facilities. That is egregious,
Speaker 3: that's putting children in danger. Some of these ten thousand
Speaker 3: inspections were just over safety concerns, they weren't over attendance irregularities.
Speaker 3: And tell me why in the state of Ohio we
Speaker 3: still have the system of a daycare provider making paper
Speaker 3: records of attendance and you having to go on site
Speaker 3: to check those attendance records. I think we all would
Speaker 3: agree that we're talking about data centers in the state
Speaker 3: of Ohio. There are more modern ways of doing attendance
Speaker 3: audits than going in person and asking to see your
Speaker 3: paper records. Ohio needs to catch up to the modern age,
Speaker 3: and the legislation that we will be introducing this week
Speaker 3: will force Ohio to do just that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned Mahet Cook, and she was on with
Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham, did a show with him last week, and
Speaker 1: she gave a very powerful interview about some of the
Speaker 1: work that she did looking at some of these daycare centers,
Speaker 1: how she was threatened by individuals that she encountered at
Speaker 1: some of these daycare centers, talking about the things that
Speaker 1: she saw with her own eyes. And again, it's not
Speaker 1: a conviction, it's not proof positive, but certainly gives rise
Speaker 1: to the notion that this warrants further inspection. This warrants
Speaker 1: further investigation. So it seems the governor doesn't have a
Speaker 1: real appetite for this. What about your colleagues up there
Speaker 1: in Columbus, your fellow lawmakers that you work with. It
Speaker 1: seems like there is some appetite amongst them. And then
Speaker 1: the other component of this is what kind of blowback
Speaker 1: When you take the bull by the horns on an
Speaker 1: issue like this, you're going to get some blowback. You're
Speaker 1: going to get You're going to catch some heat. What's
Speaker 1: that been like since you announced this notion that you
Speaker 1: want to have these increased inspections.
Speaker 3: Well, as you saw for my letter, you know, forty
Speaker 3: two of us sign on to a letter asking for
Speaker 3: additional oversight using the powers that we invested in the
Speaker 3: Department of Children and Youth when we created them two
Speaker 3: years ago. That was the short term solution of saying, hey,
Speaker 3: put your boots on the ground and do the job
Speaker 3: that we gave you now, like we're not saying ignore
Speaker 3: the rest of sustainable wile, but we want to increase
Speaker 3: effort where there's a hot spot of concern while we
Speaker 3: provide a legislative fix. Then you're going to see a
Speaker 3: slew of my colleagues sign on to the legislation that
Speaker 3: we're introducing that is very reasonable. And we've met with
Speaker 3: DC why in regards to this. We've talked to the
Speaker 3: Attorney General's office in regards to this, We've talked to
Speaker 3: the Auditor's office in regards to the legislation we're introducing.
Speaker 3: We got the thumbs up from everybody that the solutions
Speaker 3: that we are proposing are not only workable, but are
Speaker 3: substantial steps in the right direction to prevent not just punished,
Speaker 3: but prevent waste fraud abuse in the childcare system.
Speaker 4: And when I'm done introducing this legislation and we.
Speaker 3: Get this moving, I'll move on to the next area
Speaker 3: of concern. To make sure that our constituents are confident
Speaker 3: that the taxpayer dollars are being used and being watched.
Speaker 4: Over by their elected officials appropriately.
Speaker 3: Now when it comes to the blowback, of course I
Speaker 3: get blowback. I've got slew of members of the Somali
Speaker 3: community on my social media at tagging me and stuff
Speaker 3: and calling me a big and calling me a racist
Speaker 3: and calling me a Nazi. But as you alluded to earlier,
Speaker 3: I got a very difficult upbringing. I overcame tremendous adversity,
Speaker 3: you know, being homeless in a high school dropout, and
Speaker 3: you know, being disabled for almost six years, fighting through
Speaker 3: that injury and forty procedures, having metal put in my
Speaker 3: spine just to go to coge at thirty and graduating
Speaker 3: all the way from being a freshman to walking across
Speaker 3: the stage with my bachelors and then eventually my Juris
Speaker 3: doctorate in just five years.
Speaker 1: Amazing.
Speaker 3: I've overcome so much tremendous odds that that type of
Speaker 3: criticism is like.
Speaker 4: Saw it on my shoulder. I just prush it off,
Speaker 4: and a lot of times I.
Speaker 1: Do it bring it, bringing a little bit better than
Speaker 1: what they're bringing it.
Speaker 4: Right now, Oh yeah, like that, that little bit of
Speaker 4: that criticism.
Speaker 3: Doesn't matter to me. You know, if I didn't want criticism,
Speaker 3: I just would have stayed in the private sector, continuing
Speaker 3: to do my law work where I was rising, starting
Speaker 3: the legal community here in northwest Ohio. I wouldn't went
Speaker 3: into public service if I didn't want criticism. I really
Speaker 3: don't care. I believe, you know, through God's.
Speaker 4: Grace and mercy, he brought me through.
Speaker 3: Some difficult times to bring hope back to a generation
Speaker 3: and to provide enough oversight and creative ideas to help
Speaker 3: millions of people overcome adversity like I overcame. So I'm
Speaker 3: trying to make it easier for the next generation. And
Speaker 3: one thing that we have to understand is that you
Speaker 3: are being taxed and your money is being used and abused.
Speaker 3: So one I owe it to the taxpayer to guarantee
Speaker 3: I do everything on my effort to provide oversight of
Speaker 3: taxpayer dollars. Two that I reduce taxes. One way that
Speaker 3: I reduce taxes is I reduce spending. One way that
Speaker 3: I reduce spending as I reduced the amount of fraud
Speaker 3: and abuse in the system. There are interconnected. The more
Speaker 3: waste fraud abuster is, the more money I got to
Speaker 3: generate to pay for, the more taxes we have to have.
Speaker 3: And that's anti Republican So we're taking a different approach.
Speaker 3: We're going to cut down on this stuff. We're going
Speaker 3: to increase penalties for a fraud being committed in the
Speaker 3: state of Ohio. We're going to increase the availability of
Speaker 3: cutting off funding to these providers that are using our
Speaker 3: system just to pad their own pockets and not providing
Speaker 3: a real resource to the community. And I do want
Speaker 3: to provide one last thing that we haven't been discussing
Speaker 3: a lot that I want to highlight. What these videos
Speaker 3: showed me is that many of these workers that these
Speaker 3: daycare centers do not speak proficient English. How are they
Speaker 3: getting these children prepared for Kennergarten if you can't teach
Speaker 3: them proficient English in the daycare centers themselves. That's why
Speaker 3: you're seeing a large number of students not prepared for Kennygarten.
Speaker 3: A large number of our tax dollars go as supplemental
Speaker 3: funding the school districts when kids can't speak English as
Speaker 3: their primary language. And in addition, we're also.
Speaker 4: Seen on these videos where these centers.
Speaker 3: Are refusing to enroll students that are not smiling. That
Speaker 3: is a clear violation of the federal rules that they
Speaker 3: signed onto anti discrimination policies that they signed on to
Speaker 3: to be licensed in the state of Ohio. We need
Speaker 3: to start investigating that this is not a subsidized childcare
Speaker 3: for one particular group.
Speaker 4: Imagine if we did that on race.
Speaker 3: Imagine if I tried to drop off my kit to
Speaker 3: a daycare facility, because I'm Black, I'm not allowed enrolled,
Speaker 3: or because I'm White, I'm not allowed to row or
Speaker 3: Mexican people will be up in arms. So because there's
Speaker 3: a community that says they're only going to enroll people
Speaker 3: from their community, that should be a huge red flag
Speaker 3: right now to the Department of Children in Youth that
Speaker 3: there needs to be an enforcement effort that these are
Speaker 3: publicly funded childcare facilities that must be open to the public,
Speaker 3: and anyone that wants to enroll their children, if they're denied,
Speaker 3: there should be a private right of action against that
Speaker 3: childcare provider.
Speaker 1: Josh Williams makes perfect sense to me. We've only got
Speaker 1: about thirty seconds left here and I got to let
Speaker 1: you go. But I've seen so much reporting on this
Speaker 1: and so much speculation. When you look at what's happening
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, they're saying the fraud there could be an
Speaker 1: excess of nine billion dollars. Some are saying that what
Speaker 1: is happening here in Ohio could be worse than even
Speaker 1: what's happening in Minnesota. Do you have any sense at all,
Speaker 1: based on what you've learned to this point, that that
Speaker 1: may be even close to being true.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't think we're even close to the amount
Speaker 3: that we saw in Minnesota. I don't even think we're
Speaker 3: going to hit a billion dollars of fraud from these
Speaker 3: type of child care scams. But any dollar amount that
Speaker 3: is committed to fraud is a concern. And I well,
Speaker 3: we're different from Minnesota is that you have a Republican
Speaker 3: elected General Assembly, statewide officials here in Ohio compared to Minnesota,
Speaker 3: where Minnesota at a state level turned the blind eye
Speaker 3: and refuse to enforcement. Here we are looking at these
Speaker 3: blue bubbles across the state of Ohio have a increased
Speaker 3: fraud and the Republican rest of the state is going
Speaker 3: to be responsive in providing oversight. So you are gonna
Speaker 3: we're gonna get better answers here in the stateable how
Speaker 3: than you'll ever see in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: All Right with that, Josh Williams, we got to run
Speaker 1: keep up the great work and maybe we'll have you
Speaker 1: on again after your news conference on Thursday, so we're
Speaker 1: looking forward to that. Josh Williams, thank you so much,
Speaker 1: and keep up the great work and we'll be talking
Speaker 1: to you again before too long. All right, there you go,
Speaker 1: Josh Williams. He's out of here. Nine fifty six. Pretty
Speaker 1: good stuff right there. Dan Carroll for Scott Sloan, seven
Speaker 1: hundred WLW back on the big one, seven hundred WLW
Speaker 1: ten oh eight. Dan Carrolyn for Scott Sloan. Glad to
Speaker 1: be here. Glad you are here as well. And I
Speaker 1: want to thank my last guest guys. Just fantastic. Josh Williams,
Speaker 1: State Rep. Graduated from the Toledo Law School, same as
Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham, a great American. Kevin Aldridge from the Cincinnati Inquirer.
Speaker 1: He is the opinion editor there. He will be my
Speaker 1: guest after the news at the bottom of the hour,
Speaker 1: and get ready for the show. Today. I saw this
Speaker 1: peace on WCPO channel nine about dozens of protesters gathering
Speaker 1: in Newport to speak out against local jail holding ICE detainees,
Speaker 1: and some of these individuals talking about they are out
Speaker 1: there to speak up against holding immigrants, mothers, fathers, daughters, sons,
Speaker 1: right there in that building, right there, said Michael Staverman.
Speaker 1: As an American, I feel extremely disappointed. Protesters brought banners
Speaker 1: and flags and homemade signs, and you know, they just
Speaker 1: just don't want to see these good people being locked
Speaker 1: up unnecessarily. Well is that true? Is that? I mean,
Speaker 1: are these really the kind of people that you want
Speaker 1: to go to bat for? And I asked that because
Speaker 1: because when you look at not every single one, but
Speaker 1: a lot of the individuals who are getting arrested by ICE,
Speaker 1: and isn't people with serious, serious crimes under their belt
Speaker 1: in Minnesota for example? And then look, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that people that are arrested in Kentucky have these same
Speaker 1: crimes to their credit, but chances are some of them do.
Speaker 1: Are these people you really want to stand up for?
Speaker 1: Amid their enforcement surge, federal immigration authorities have nabbed the
Speaker 1: worst of the worst criminal illegal migrants all across the land,
Speaker 1: according to ICE director Todd Lyons, While deporting officers nab
Speaker 1: gruesome individuals throughout Minnesota and the country, high profile Democrat
Speaker 1: politicians and folks like we saw a Newport over the
Speaker 1: weekend are publicly demanding that they leave immediately. Regardless of
Speaker 1: stage political theatrics, ICE is going to continue to arrest
Speaker 1: the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens in Minnesota
Speaker 1: and elsewhere. Some of these criminal aliens have had final
Speaker 1: orders for removal for thirty years, but they have been
Speaker 1: free to terrorize people across Minnesota and across the country.
Speaker 1: Let's see, let me get to the part where they
Speaker 1: talk about here we go. Among those recently arrested, Serderon
Speaker 1: Pavey and Aleotian criminal illegal migrant convicted of both and
Speaker 1: I've never heard this term before, strong armsodomy of a
Speaker 1: boy and a girl, a slate of other crimes. Tuvang
Speaker 1: who's also a Laotian criminal illegal migrant convict a sexual
Speaker 1: assault in sodomy of a girl under the age of thirteen,
Speaker 1: procuring a child for prostitution. According to ICE, both men
Speaker 1: have outstanding final orders for their removal that date back
Speaker 1: several years. So they have final orders, So this means
Speaker 1: they've already received due process, and that is the case
Speaker 1: with many of these individuals that wind up getting arrested.
Speaker 1: Another illegal immigrant from Laos convicted of raping a twelve
Speaker 1: year old girl kidnapping a child with intent to sexually
Speaker 1: assault her. Also taken into custody by ice. Another criminal
Speaker 1: illegal migrant from Laos now by deportation officers, previously convicted
Speaker 1: of rape fooling a child. So many of these individuals
Speaker 1: have crimes as they and have children as their victim.
Speaker 1: So is this really what you want to stand up
Speaker 1: for when you're out there demonstrating in front of these
Speaker 1: federal buildings. Now it's true, they could be fathers, they
Speaker 1: could be brothers, they could be all kinds of good people.
Speaker 1: But I'd say, just, you know, look a little closer
Speaker 1: at who's being arrested. If you go to Homeland Security
Speaker 1: has a website. If you go to DHS dot gov,
Speaker 1: you will find the Department of Homeland Security. They're highlighting
Speaker 1: the worst of the worst criminal aliens arrested by Immigration
Speaker 1: and Customs enforcement. And you can go and you can
Speaker 1: I mean you can scroll. There's let me see, there's
Speaker 1: how many pages are There's one hundred. Now there's one
Speaker 1: and thirty eight pages. And they've got mugshots of these individuals.
Speaker 1: Here's a woman arrested from Mexico, cruelty towards a child,
Speaker 1: hit and run, criminal threats. Here's a dude from Somalia,
Speaker 1: sexual conduct, fourth degree of a victim thirteen to fifteen
Speaker 1: years old. Dude, Another dude from Mexico, child abduction, I mean, Honduras,
Speaker 1: domestic battery, Honduras resisting arrest, domestic abuse, domestic abuse, child endangerment.
Speaker 1: And it goes on and on and on, page after
Speaker 1: page after page of the worst individuals. So you hear
Speaker 1: this narrative that they're just rounding up people who are
Speaker 1: minding their own business, people who are trying to work,
Speaker 1: people who are paying taxes. Yeah, that's not really necessarily
Speaker 1: true in all cases. What else is not necessarily true
Speaker 1: is that the woman remain a Cold Good, unfortunately killed
Speaker 1: by ICE agents in Minneapolis, was just a mother who
Speaker 1: was there dropping her child off at school, wound up
Speaker 1: in the middle of this Ice enforcement was just trying
Speaker 1: to get out of the way. Well, there was additional
Speaker 1: video that came out over the weekend that shows Renain
Speaker 1: a Cold Good in her vehicle repeatedly honking a horn,
Speaker 1: blocking the street, engaging with ICE officers, And there is
Speaker 1: a narrative out there that what they were trying to do,
Speaker 1: what part of their training was was. They wanted to
Speaker 1: create a confrontation. They wanted to have a situation where
Speaker 1: there would be some sort of physical altercation with ice officers.
Speaker 1: Get the video of that, get it out there, great propaganda.
Speaker 1: Look at these federal agents beating up on a helpless woman,
Speaker 1: taking her down. Terrible. Look all that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: They wanted it out there. This is a woman who
Speaker 1: was referred to as a warrior, so she was a warrior,
Speaker 1: died doing what was right. Said a mother named Lisa,
Speaker 1: whose child attends the same school, the same school. And
Speaker 1: this is a woman who took her six year old
Speaker 1: to a school, her son's charter school, and the charter
Speaker 1: school says that they put social justice first and prioritize
Speaker 1: involving kids in political and social activism. That is the
Speaker 1: school she was taking her kid to prioritize social justice
Speaker 1: and involving kids in political and social activism. I don't
Speaker 1: know about you. I've had six year old. My kids
Speaker 1: are a lot older now than six years old. If
Speaker 1: I was going to enroll them in a private school,
Speaker 1: a school whose first priority is involving kids in these
Speaker 1: sorts of things as social justice and involving kids in
Speaker 1: social activism and political activism. If that's their if that's
Speaker 1: their main focus, I'm not taking my kid there. Maybe
Speaker 1: you wouldn't either at six years old. I think the
Speaker 1: kid has a lot more important things to focus on
Speaker 1: than social and political activism. But that's where that's where
Speaker 1: she took her Again, look, if that's what you want
Speaker 1: to do, that by all means. But my point is
Speaker 1: it adds to this narrative, and I think factual reporting
Speaker 1: that she was an operative seeking to disrupt the operations
Speaker 1: of these federal agents. So on the Sunday Shows, ilhan
Speaker 1: Omar was out there on CBS and she was rolling
Speaker 1: out a new narrative about why this woman was not
Speaker 1: at fault. And here's what il han Omar had to say, Dave,
Speaker 1: can we hear cut number one?
Speaker 3: Please?
Speaker 5: If they are saying that he has ten years on
Speaker 5: service and is trained, he should know that you shouldn't
Speaker 5: be trying to get in front of a moving.
Speaker 1: Car and oh so brilliant, so smart as ill han Omer.
Speaker 1: This guy's been on the job for ten years, he's
Speaker 1: got experience, he's got trained, he should know better. That
Speaker 1: is where that is the argument they're going to try
Speaker 1: to make now, she was true doing a trial a
Speaker 1: trial balloon on that on Sunday shows. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that narrative is going to take but Ilha and
Speaker 1: Omar got some of the best consultings she can get
Speaker 1: from Democrat operatives. Put this out there. Yeah, the guy,
Speaker 1: they take you ten years of training. Guys should have
Speaker 1: known better. Don't stand in front of a moving car. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what, the car wasn't moving when he initially
Speaker 1: got into the position, and I'm not I don't look,
Speaker 1: We've been through this. I've been through this multiple times
Speaker 1: already talking about how the ICE agents are not at fault.
Speaker 1: It was the fault of the woman who was driving
Speaker 1: the car. Bottom line. So there was a piece written
Speaker 1: in town Hall by a guy named Kevin mccallaugh talking
Speaker 1: about talking about ICE and what they engage in on
Speaker 1: a regular basis, and he writes that the national media
Speaker 1: has chosen the focus nearly exclusively on the fatal shooting
Speaker 1: of Renee Good during that enforcement operation, portraying her as
Speaker 1: an innocent victim, while largely ignoring the context of her
Speaker 1: actions and the purpose of the operation she interfered with.
Speaker 1: Let's be clear, Let's be clear about something that far
Speaker 1: too many commentators refused to say out loud. Renee Good
Speaker 1: was not a passive bystander. She inserted herself directly into
Speaker 1: a live federal law enforcement operation, used her vehicle to
Speaker 1: obstruct officers who were actively attempting to decraine to detain
Speaker 1: criminal suspects. That intrusion matters, It's not incidental. It is
Speaker 1: central to understanding what unfolded. Federal agents were not conducting
Speaker 1: a random sweep. They were executing targeted arrests of individuals
Speaker 1: with violent criminal histories, as I just talked about a
Speaker 1: few minutes ago. When a civilian deliberately interferes with that
Speaker 1: kind of operation, the risk level changes instantly for everyone involved.
Speaker 1: But while the media loops the same footage and politicians
Speaker 1: rushed to microphones, another part of the ICE story goes
Speaker 1: completely untold. In recent weeks, ICE has conducted enforcement actions
Speaker 1: in New Jersey that looked nothing like the caricature painted
Speaker 1: by activists. Several undocumented construction workers were encouraged or encountered,
Speaker 1: i should say, by federal agents. One individual, well known
Speaker 1: in his church community, was detained and deported after acknowledging
Speaker 1: his unlawful status. The process was orderly, respectful, and notably,
Speaker 1: the federal government has already offered him a legal pathway
Speaker 1: to return to the United States. Another worker from the
Speaker 1: same site was detained, briefly questioned, and then released back
Speaker 1: to his family. Here's why. He had no criminal record,
Speaker 1: not a misdemeanor, no duy, not even a speeding ticket.
Speaker 1: He's been paying taxes every year that he's lived in
Speaker 1: the country, and he has receipts to prove it. He
Speaker 1: has multiple children. One of his his sons currently serves
Speaker 1: in the United States Armed Forces. Two years ago, he
Speaker 1: began the process of applying for legal status despite the
Speaker 1: fact that he's technically here unlawfully. ICE exercised discretion. He
Speaker 1: was not the port, not separated from his family. He
Speaker 1: was not treated as a threat because he isn't one.
Speaker 1: No protest marches were organized for him, No national headlines
Speaker 1: were written, No elected officials held price conferences demanding ICE
Speaker 1: be dismantled because of this case. Why. Because that story
Speaker 1: does not serve the outrage economy. ICE is not a monolith.
Speaker 1: It is not a rogue agency roaming the streets indiscriminately
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis. It was focused on removing dangerous criminals in
Speaker 1: New Jersey. They demonstrated judgment, restraint and compassion towards individuals
Speaker 1: who pose no threats to public safety. Both of these
Speaker 1: things can be true at the same time, even though
Speaker 1: the media refuses to acknowledge it. What we're witnessing right
Speaker 1: now is not a serious debate over immigration policy. It's
Speaker 1: a selective presentation of facts designed to provoke emotion while
Speaker 1: suppressing context. One tragic death is being used to delegitimize
Speaker 1: an entire enforcement system, even as that system is actively
Speaker 1: removing rapists and murderers from American communities. The comparison that
Speaker 1: no one wants to make is also the one that
Speaker 1: matters most. On one side are violent criminals with records
Speaker 1: that justify removal. On the other side are non violent
Speaker 1: individuals who work, pay taxes, raise families. Are often handled
Speaker 1: with discretion by ICE officers who understand the difference. So
Speaker 1: as I read this, this was actually news to me
Speaker 1: that I did not know that ICE officers had this discretion.
Speaker 1: So when they go on these roundups, they are looking
Speaker 1: for individuals, and as ICE Christinome has said from the
Speaker 1: very beginning, we are going after the worst of the worst.
Speaker 1: Those individuals with criminal records who already have and in
Speaker 1: buyo large they are not in every single case, but
Speaker 1: in the majority of cases, they already have orders for
Speaker 1: removal because they are criminals and they have engaged in
Speaker 1: some of the most unspeakable crimes you can imagine. So
Speaker 1: when ICE encounters these people, they're going to go into
Speaker 1: a workplace, They're going to go into an apartment building,
Speaker 1: They're going to wherever these individuals are. Yeah, they're going
Speaker 1: to put a lot of people in cuffs. But guess what,
Speaker 1: after they talk to them, they find out who they are,
Speaker 1: they find out what's been going on. In a lot
Speaker 1: of cases, they take the cuffs off. You're free to go.
Speaker 1: Keep doing what you're doing, just do it the right way.
Speaker 1: Did you know that? Did you know that ICE had
Speaker 1: that discretion and they use it on America and or
Speaker 1: on a regular basis. So these are ICE stories that
Speaker 1: you don't hear all the time, and until you start
Speaker 1: hearing them all the time, we're all going to be misled,
Speaker 1: not by agents on the ground, but by those who
Speaker 1: profit politically from these half truths that are being told.
Speaker 1: And the truth, as Bill Cunningham always says, we'll set
Speaker 1: you free. I didn't know that was going on, but
Speaker 1: you know it now. Ten twenty six Kevin Aldridge of
Speaker 1: the Inquiry coming up after the News at the bottom
Speaker 1: of the hour, Dan Carroll for Scott Sloan, seven hundred
Speaker 1: WLW All right back on the big one, seven dred
Speaker 1: LW ten thirty eight, Dan Carol sitting in for Scott
Speaker 1: Sloan today. And there are so many things happening in
Speaker 1: the city of Cincinnati right now. We've got the mayor
Speaker 1: who's out there saying, hey, we need we need an
Speaker 1: income tax, we need more income tax if we want
Speaker 1: to have public safety. We've got city council who may
Speaker 1: go into executive session today to work on a settlement
Speaker 1: for the Hinton family. And then the trial begins. Re
Speaker 1: associated with the downtown brawl that had Cincinnati all over
Speaker 1: the all over the news or back in the this
Speaker 1: past summer, back in July and August, and it seemed
Speaker 1: to go on for months and months and months. Joining
Speaker 1: me now to touch on all these subjects is Kevin Aldridge,
Speaker 1: the opinion editor at the Cincinnati Inquirer. And Kevin, always
Speaker 1: great to have you on. How you doing today, Hey.
Speaker 6: I'm doing great, Dan, Happy New Year. I can't remember
Speaker 6: if we talked since the New Year, but in case
Speaker 6: we have it, hope all is well. You're your family
Speaker 6: are blessed and always a pleasure.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that, and then this may very well
Speaker 1: be the first time that we have spoken in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six. So the trial for Alexander Travinsky begins today.
Speaker 1: How interested are you going to be in this? And
Speaker 1: do you think there's any possibility that we're going to
Speaker 1: glean anything new from what happened in this brawl incident
Speaker 1: back in July? Well, how can you not be interested
Speaker 1: in it?
Speaker 6: I mean, this was a subject that you know, sort
Speaker 6: of dominated conversation in Cincinnati for several months this past summer,
Speaker 6: and mister Travinsky was at one of the key figures
Speaker 6: and at the center point it is. So, you know,
Speaker 6: who knows what will come out in court. I think
Speaker 6: there is the possibility there's some new details or some
Speaker 6: further elaboration or explanation about how things got started, what
Speaker 6: was said and done, you know, perhaps all of that
Speaker 6: could come out in testimony. So I think there's a
Speaker 6: possibility that we could get some new information and insight
Speaker 6: that we that we haven't had before, and if I'm
Speaker 6: not mistaken, you know, I could be wrong.
Speaker 1: I don't get to see or read everything.
Speaker 6: But I don't know that we've actually, you know, heard
Speaker 6: any kind of commentary or statement or testimony anything like
Speaker 6: that for mister Travinsky. Now, I don't know if he'll
Speaker 6: wind up, you know, giving any testimony or anything like that,
Speaker 6: but certainly if he does, that would be certainly worth
Speaker 6: hearing and something I.
Speaker 1: Think we would all be interested in. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know if he has spoken yet to I don't recall
Speaker 1: him having spoken to any media sources to this point.
Speaker 1: I know his lawyer has come out and said some
Speaker 1: things and said, essentially, look, the video that came out
Speaker 1: after the fact on all of this really proves that
Speaker 1: his client is an innocent man. So we will see
Speaker 1: how that plays out in court. Today city Council is
Speaker 1: going to have a meeting, at least a committee of
Speaker 1: the City Council is going to have a meeting. The
Speaker 1: Budget and Finance Committee is meeting at one at which
Speaker 1: point they may go into executive session, we are told,
Speaker 1: and at that executive session there may be a settlement
Speaker 1: discussed about the hint in case the idea, and this
Speaker 1: broke huge. It was last Thursday night. I had Ken coberon.
Speaker 1: I was on the radio Thursday night. I had Ken coberon.
Speaker 1: He was very upset that apparently this negotiation has been
Speaker 1: going on it quietly, I guess is the way to
Speaker 1: us say it really without any notice. And there are
Speaker 1: a lot of city council members who said they had
Speaker 1: no no concept that this was going on. How do
Speaker 1: you see this? The idea that the city of Cincinnati
Speaker 1: would be looking to reach what could be a multimillion
Speaker 1: dollar settlement with the family of this individual, Ryan Hinton Junior,
Speaker 1: eighteen years old, fatally shot by Cincinnati police. The prosecutor
Speaker 1: County Pillage looked at it, said, hey, look, everything was
Speaker 1: by the book here, nothing nothing worth prosecuting. The idea
Speaker 1: that our city manager would be looking to pay this city,
Speaker 1: uh maybe millions of dollars. How does that sit with you?
Speaker 1: When the way this whole story has rolled out. How
Speaker 1: do you see it? Dan, you're still there? Yeah, Kevin,
Speaker 1: you got me?
Speaker 6: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, sorry I thought I lost you
Speaker 6: for a minute.
Speaker 1: That's okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So so so here's what I'll say.
Speaker 6: This comes as no surprise when when the hint and
Speaker 6: shooting first happened, and this was even before Connie Pillage,
Speaker 6: you know, uh exonerated the officer in the particular thing.
Speaker 6: I said, this was coming. Look, this is this is predictable.
Speaker 6: These sorts of situations and incidents carry a particular cadence,
Speaker 6: not just here in Cincinnati, but across the country. And
Speaker 6: I and I said, in the wake of the shooting,
Speaker 6: you can probably expend that the officer will not be
Speaker 6: held responsible or he will be justified in the shooting,
Speaker 6: but that the family might also come back with a lawsuit.
Speaker 6: Now the family hasn't filed a lawsuit yet, but I
Speaker 6: think anybody with a modicum of understanding about how these
Speaker 6: things go knew that that was probably coming.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 6: It was predictable. I predicted it. I said that it
Speaker 6: was going to happen. So what you probably have seen
Speaker 6: happen here is lawyers from the city with lawyers of
Speaker 6: the estate from mister Hinton have probably been having some conversations.
Speaker 6: And what people have to recognize is is that in
Speaker 6: civil cases, the burden of proof and liability is different
Speaker 6: than in a criminal case, which is like ninety eight
Speaker 6: percent or something like that. You know where it has
Speaker 6: to be beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal case,
Speaker 6: you don't have to have that same burden in a
Speaker 6: civil case. People are most familiar with the oj Simpson case.
Speaker 6: He was acquitted in criminal court but found libel in
Speaker 6: civil court, and so there's risk that's higher whether the
Speaker 6: officer has been justified in the shooting by the city
Speaker 6: or not. If this were to go to court, there
Speaker 6: would be less of a burden on Hinton's family to
Speaker 6: make the case against the city. On top of that,
Speaker 6: you go through that legal proceeding. If the lawsuit is filed,
Speaker 6: who knows what else comes out in depositions, in court
Speaker 6: testimony that the city might not want to come out
Speaker 6: That could be even more damaging than going ahead and
Speaker 6: trying to settle these cases. So I think if you
Speaker 6: want to look at it from a legal monetary standpoint,
Speaker 6: we know a lot of times settlements are reached because
Speaker 6: at least one party recognizes that it could be far
Speaker 6: more costly, not just monetarily, but in damage to the
Speaker 6: reputation of the city, the police department, and who knows
Speaker 6: what that does to community relations. So I think if
Speaker 6: you want to in an emotional moment say oh, this
Speaker 6: might be a bad move for the city. You haven't
Speaker 6: thought it through completely to all of the tendrils and
Speaker 6: things that are out there. Here's one of the other
Speaker 6: things that I would add that might be a calculation.
Speaker 3: By the city.
Speaker 6: If this thing goes to court, Police Chief Teresa Thiji
Speaker 6: probably is going to have to testify in that case.
Speaker 6: She's under investigation by the city. Is that really a
Speaker 6: witness that if you're the city of Cincinnati right now
Speaker 6: you want testifying in a potential case that could result
Speaker 6: in millions of dollars of payout. So there are a
Speaker 6: lot of calculations that I think people haven't sort of
Speaker 6: fully thought through about why the city might be entertaining
Speaker 6: these conversations.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about Teresa Thichi, But when getting
Speaker 1: back to the hinting story here and the possible settlement,
Speaker 1: I don't think you can divorce from this. What happened
Speaker 1: after the video was viewed by the family, and that
Speaker 1: is that the father of this young man went out
Speaker 1: and there's information that during this meeting where they were
Speaker 1: showing the video to the family, the police chief was
Speaker 1: there that mister Hinton took a swing at the police chief,
Speaker 1: which is a crime in and of itself. He was
Speaker 1: not detained for that at all, went out and then
Speaker 1: wound up mowing down sheriff Deputy Larry Henderson in cold blood.
Speaker 1: So I think you can see why Ken Kober and
Speaker 1: the rest of law enforcement, not just Cincinnati police but
Speaker 1: Hamilton County Sheriff's deputies as well, are highly upset about
Speaker 1: this because this looks like an absolute slap in the
Speaker 1: face to law enforcement to say that we are going
Speaker 1: to go back to the family of this individual, who
Speaker 1: is very likely I at this point it's all alleged
Speaker 1: but very likely, and we really haven't heard any facts
Speaker 1: otherwise to dispute it, ran down, mowed down the sheriff's
Speaker 1: depany in cold blood. Is this not just a disrespectful
Speaker 1: gesture as disrespectful as you can possibly get towards the
Speaker 1: Sheriff's office in Cincinnati Police.
Speaker 6: Well, it would be, it would be, and that might
Speaker 6: be relevant if Rodney Hinton was getting any of this
Speaker 6: settlement money, but he's not. This particular conversation or negotiation
Speaker 6: is between the estate of the young man who was killed,
Speaker 6: which is his I think the executor of that that
Speaker 6: whole estate is his mother's mother. So if you've noticed,
Speaker 6: the family has been seemingly, at least publicly, from what
Speaker 6: they've displayed in the media, trying very much to separate
Speaker 6: themselves and their claim on what happened to young mister
Speaker 6: Hinton from the actions.
Speaker 1: That the father took out.
Speaker 6: From what I've seen or heard, no one in that
Speaker 6: family has defended or condoned what.
Speaker 1: The father did in this case.
Speaker 6: And so I think to conflate what the estate is
Speaker 6: trying to get for the young man to what the
Speaker 6: father did, I think it's disingenuous, nor is it accurate.
Speaker 6: So I think what Ken Cober is trying to suggest
Speaker 6: in saying that crime pays is that somehow mister Hinton
Speaker 6: is going to be the beneficiary from anything that the
Speaker 6: family gets. And that's just not accurate and it's not true.
Speaker 6: And I think that mister Kober has more of a
Speaker 6: responsibility to speak. Now, if you want to be critical
Speaker 6: of what mister Hinton did, certainly I don't think anybody
Speaker 6: condones that. Says that it was right, and he'll, you know,
Speaker 6: he'll pay for the penalty of that, assuming that, you know,
Speaker 6: a jury finds him guilty of that crime. But I
Speaker 6: think to conflate what the family is going through, which
Speaker 6: they have every legal right to do, to challenge this thing,
Speaker 6: potentially civilly, with what the father did. I think to
Speaker 6: conflate those two things is not accurate, nor is it fair,
Speaker 6: and nor does it help the situation.
Speaker 1: Well, well, you know, I think when you look at
Speaker 1: it in context, when you have just a month or
Speaker 1: so ago, we had the announcement of this settlement for
Speaker 1: individuals who were rioting in downtown Cincinnati after the George
Speaker 1: Floyd incident in Minneapolis. That was an eight point one
Speaker 1: million dollar settlement. Then comes word that there's going to
Speaker 1: be another settlement with an individual who the video shows
Speaker 1: it running from police, dropped the weapon, picked it up,
Speaker 1: turned towards cops, could have fired a shot. Police shot
Speaker 1: first ended his tragically, sadly and ended his life. And
Speaker 1: just the idea that we are so gun about taking
Speaker 1: these cases to court, standing up for our police department
Speaker 1: to say, look, we were in the right, We were
Speaker 1: in the right. When the mayor came out and said
Speaker 1: there's a curfew and you can't have that curfew and
Speaker 1: these individuals got arrested, it just seems that it's more
Speaker 1: on one hand, giving lip service to the notion that yes,
Speaker 1: as city leaders, we have your back, but then when
Speaker 1: the rubber hits the road, well they may not have
Speaker 1: their back at all.
Speaker 6: Well, and again, here's what I'm saying. If you want
Speaker 6: to look at it from that simplistic of a point
Speaker 6: of view, you can certainly look at that and say, oh,
Speaker 6: this is the city not standing up, you know, and defending.
Speaker 1: Its police officers.
Speaker 6: But let me ask you this, Dan so whatever, and
Speaker 6: there's no I don't care what anybody says. There's no
Speaker 6: concrete dollar figure that anybody can say exists as accurate
Speaker 6: because we don't know, right, King Kobert doesn't it. King
Speaker 6: Kobert doesn't know. People on city Council don't know. So
Speaker 6: anybody who's out there talking about multi million dollar settlement
Speaker 6: is just blowing smoke because they don't know. There are
Speaker 6: no dollar figures that have been reported to the public
Speaker 6: or put out there, nor would there be, because even
Speaker 6: if you were in this kind of legal negotiation with
Speaker 6: the family, you're not going to discuss that in public
Speaker 6: because you know, you give away any leverage position that
Speaker 6: you would by exposing where your game plan is no
Speaker 6: lawsuit or settlement is ever discussed in the public, city
Speaker 6: or otherwise. So this notion that it should have been public.
Speaker 6: People who say that, you know, won't be satisfied by
Speaker 6: making it public that the city winds up coming out
Speaker 6: of many more millions of dollars for sort of politics
Speaker 6: we had.
Speaker 1: We had at least two council members come out over
Speaker 1: the weekend and say they had no knowledge of this.
Speaker 1: So it seems to me, and you know that that's
Speaker 1: embarrassing if the city. Yeah, it seems to me that
Speaker 1: at least city council should have some knowledge that that
Speaker 1: this the test types of negotiations are in progress.
Speaker 3: Dan if I predicted this two or.
Speaker 6: Three months ago that this was going, that there would
Speaker 6: there would be these types of conversations. I'm not on
Speaker 6: city council, I'm not elected official.
Speaker 1: I'm a journalist who's who's.
Speaker 6: Been at this for a long time. And so for
Speaker 6: a city council member to say that they had no
Speaker 6: inkling or clue, it's troubling because they should if I
Speaker 6: could predict it and see it, they should have seen
Speaker 6: it coming down the road. They should have been asking questions,
Speaker 6: why aren't they having conversations with their city manager and
Speaker 6: the attorney asking for reports, saying where are we at
Speaker 6: on this? Come on man, well on to admit that they're.
Speaker 1: Ignorant to that. Well, not only did they say they
Speaker 1: didn't know about it, but they're opposed to to a
Speaker 1: settlement like this taking place. So there's that in the
Speaker 1: time that we have less left. We have not spoken
Speaker 1: since f Taed Purval came out and proposed this income
Speaker 1: tax increase and essentially said, luck, We've talked a lot
Speaker 1: about public safety during the campaign. I taught. I spoke
Speaker 1: to Corey Bowman. I said, you were there at all
Speaker 1: the debates. I do not recall the notion of a
Speaker 1: tax increase so we can have public safety or enhance
Speaker 1: public safety or whatever the mayor talks about when he
Speaker 1: talks about this increase and how wonderful it's going to be.
Speaker 1: Were you what was your take on Aftab Purval coming
Speaker 1: out during his inauguration to drop this on the taxpayers
Speaker 1: of the city of Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, you know, it's interesting.
Speaker 6: So the debate that we hosted between him and Bowman
Speaker 6: and Xavier that was a specific question that I asked,
Speaker 6: you know, both candidates what they say, What did he say,
Speaker 6: did they favor Yeah. The mayor said he would not
Speaker 6: rule out He said he would not rule out a
Speaker 6: tax increase. I think he said something along the lines of, hey,
Speaker 6: you know, we don't know what the budget might be,
Speaker 6: we don't know what economic factors might hit us, so
Speaker 6: it was impossible for him to rule out the possibility
Speaker 6: of increasing taxes. So he never said that he wouldn't
Speaker 6: raise taxes, which, you know, we're kind of looking for
Speaker 6: a yes or no answer to that question just in
Speaker 6: case things like this come up. So he did leave
Speaker 6: himself that window for the possibility of a tax increase.
Speaker 6: Now he didn't tie that specifically to public safety or
Speaker 6: or anything like that. I think, you know, at that
Speaker 6: particular time, you know, maybe we were thinking, you know,
Speaker 6: they might use those tax increases for you know, for
Speaker 6: more infrastructure or affordable housing or things of that nature.
Speaker 6: I don't think we were specifically thinking in mind public safety.
Speaker 6: But with everything that's happened over the last few months
Speaker 6: and the pressure political and otherwise that's that's been out
Speaker 6: there about the need to get a handle on crime
Speaker 6: here in Cincinnati, you know, maybe this seemed like an
Speaker 6: opportune time for that. But I think the question that
Speaker 6: people should be asking is how responsibly is the city
Speaker 6: before you know there's any talk of any kind of increase.
Speaker 6: Is looking at what we're doing with the money and
Speaker 6: with the dollars that we already have a good point.
Speaker 1: That's a good point, yal how are they doing with
Speaker 1: the money they have right now? And I think there's
Speaker 1: a there's a lot of room for improvement there. Kevin Aldridge,
Speaker 1: We're up against the clock, so we're going to have
Speaker 1: to leave it right there. But as always, I appreciate
Speaker 1: I appreciate your your the way you look at things,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you coming on to talk about it.
Speaker 1: And we will do it again before too long. Kevin Aldridge,
Speaker 1: did they inquire? All the best to you man. Thanks,
Speaker 1: Dan Samu You all right there you go, Kevin Aldridge
Speaker 1: of the Cincinnati Enquirer. Yeah. The quote from AFTAB is
Speaker 1: he wants to target this money toward public safety and
Speaker 1: disrupting poverty. How's that worked out in the past. I
Speaker 1: think we know the answer to that. Ten fifty five.
Speaker 1: Dan Carrol for Scott's loan seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 3: I'm back on the.
Speaker 1: Big one, seven hundred W l W eleven o eight.
Speaker 1: Dan carrollin for Scott Sloan. So glad to welcome in
Speaker 1: my next guest. He is a former Army paratrooper, a
Speaker 1: combat veteran. He is also a former cop and also
Speaker 1: owns a rum distillery. And he's also a professional podcaster.
Speaker 1: He's got the Failure to Stop. He's got a series
Speaker 1: of podcasts called Failure to Stop. And just a great guy,
Speaker 1: a guy that I that I know a little bit.
Speaker 1: I got to visit with him a few summers ago
Speaker 1: down to Clayton, North Carolina. It's my pleasure to welcome
Speaker 1: in Eric Tansey and Eric Tansey, how the heck are
Speaker 1: you today?
Speaker 7: Thank you Dan?
Speaker 8: You make me sound so cool.
Speaker 1: Well, you do, you do what you can. And the
Speaker 1: reason I wanted to have you on is because your
Speaker 1: book came out not long ago and the title is
Speaker 1: pig Latin, a seriously funny true story of a former
Speaker 1: police officer. And congratulations on the book it what what
Speaker 1: is it tell me about the process of actually sitting
Speaker 1: down to put this book together?
Speaker 8: Oh, you know, Dan, For me it was like it
Speaker 8: was much different than anybody else because I wrote because
Speaker 8: I got in trouble for being a bad writer when
Speaker 8: I was a cop. So I wrote a side report
Speaker 8: just grammatically bad and almost lost the case because the
Speaker 8: defense was able to argue grammatically when I had said
Speaker 8: because I didn't use the right there, there, and there,
Speaker 8: the right whearwear and wear, And so I ended up
Speaker 8: having to write about my day and submitting it into
Speaker 8: a supervisor. And I was like having these dramatic incidents.
Speaker 8: I was writing the police report, and then I was
Speaker 8: writing again at home for homework, and it was really depressing.
Speaker 8: So one day I just was like, you know what,
Speaker 8: I'm gonna start writing the funny stuff that happens, or
Speaker 8: you know, like almost reading it more like a diary.
Speaker 8: So I would write about all the things that like
Speaker 8: the weird stuff, losing the foot chase, arresting the wrong person,
Speaker 8: or you know, the mental breakdowns or whatever. And I
Speaker 8: collected those stories over the course of like eight years,
Speaker 8: and I just happened. I don't know, maybe call it God,
Speaker 8: but somebody took a look at it and they said,
Speaker 8: this is the funniest thing I've ever seen. This needs
Speaker 8: to be a book.
Speaker 9: And that was it.
Speaker 8: That's how the process started, and we turned it into
Speaker 8: one long book from start to finish, and it's really
Speaker 8: really funny, self deprecating, and I'll definitely make you feel
Speaker 8: better about who you are as a person.
Speaker 7: I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh. The our buddy Keefer had had a copy
Speaker 1: of the book. I swiped his copy the other day
Speaker 1: and I sat down over the weekend and started reading it.
Speaker 1: And I mean, you had you had two tons of
Speaker 1: fun on your first day on the job, which was
Speaker 1: absolutely amazing. But then I got to the next chapter,
Speaker 1: and I love the story about Officer Serious and uh
Speaker 1: and and the guys that he hangs with, and and
Speaker 1: your your adventures with Officer Serious. Absolutely fantastic reading. I
Speaker 1: could not put it down, and I don't normally say
Speaker 1: that about a lot of books that I read. And
Speaker 1: I'm looking, I'm looking at this blurb on the back,
Speaker 1: and this guy talks about that. Uh, he just doesn't
Speaker 1: tell war stories from the street. He pulls you into them.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, yeah, right, I'm going to be pulled
Speaker 1: into these stories. But Eric, I'm dumped. I'm not blowing
Speaker 1: smoke here for I mean, for your first time out
Speaker 1: writing a book like this, absolutely amazing. I literally did
Speaker 1: not want to put it down and I can't wait,
Speaker 1: I start reading these different calls that you go out
Speaker 1: of and I can't wait to see how they're going
Speaker 1: to come out in the end. It is absolutely amazing.
Speaker 8: It was so much fun, and I think, like what
Speaker 8: makes it such a different book? And by the way,
Speaker 8: the TV series rights have already been sold, so some
Speaker 8: of the guys that were part of a very famous
Speaker 8: TV series, It's Ram for seven seasons, are now making
Speaker 8: a TV series out of my book, and that's been
Speaker 8: really fun. I'm on the writing team for that.
Speaker 1: But that is amazing.
Speaker 8: I think kind of why the book is done so well,
Speaker 8: and you know, is with Simon Schuster, and you know
Speaker 8: it's in every books for across America, And I think,
Speaker 8: I know what makes it different is I don't know
Speaker 8: that a lot of people have ever written a book
Speaker 8: it's like super honestly about all your mistakes, and especially
Speaker 8: in the cop world, right because everybody's afraid they're gonna
Speaker 8: get sued because I write about all the mistakes, like
Speaker 8: a lot of a lot of mistakes, or like a
Speaker 8: lot of the feelings that I had towards people that
Speaker 8: may I may or may not should have had. And
Speaker 8: I think it's just a really wrong glimpse into what
Speaker 8: goes on honestly inside of a cops heat when he's like,
Speaker 8: I don't know this guy guilty or not guilty, but
Speaker 8: you know if I touch him, we're gonna fight and
Speaker 8: I might be going to jail for this. And you know,
Speaker 8: he's just that kind of inner dialogue that I think
Speaker 8: really made people go, oh, I never thought that cops
Speaker 8: are actually human beings and have moral dilemmas just like
Speaker 8: everybody else. We have ethical dilemmas just like everybody else
Speaker 8: that we have to work through, and we have families
Speaker 8: at home that we make decisions based on. You know, say,
Speaker 8: like people are like, wow, that one story where you
Speaker 8: decided to let that guy go because it's not worth it.
Speaker 8: You know, that's really you know, that's that hit me
Speaker 8: because you know you thought about your kids and you know,
Speaker 8: call it a coward move, but like my going to
Speaker 8: my kids, you know, baseball game or whatever, it's more
Speaker 8: important than getting in a food chase, you know, with
Speaker 8: this guy at that time. So I just think like
Speaker 8: those kinds of stories have never really been pulled from
Speaker 8: a law enforcement perspective, and people really seem to like
Speaker 8: that version of the of the truth.
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I you know you and I know
Speaker 1: each other a little bit. You came up here and
Speaker 1: you were part of the podcast that I do with
Speaker 1: a buddy of mine and it's called One Morning, Am
Speaker 1: Out of Here when we had Stu Scheller on our podcast,
Speaker 1: and I got to visit you down at Clayton, North
Speaker 1: Carolina and be part of your podcast and hang out
Speaker 1: with you for a few days there. And that was
Speaker 1: That was a great time. And and the thing is,
Speaker 1: as I read this book, I hear your voice because
Speaker 1: I know you a little bit. And here's the other
Speaker 1: thing that I hear. My son recently graduated back in
Speaker 1: May from the Cincinnati Police Academy. So he's been out
Speaker 1: on the streets since since May of this of last year.
Speaker 1: And when he has done with his shifts, a lot
Speaker 1: of times, not every time, but a lot of times,
Speaker 1: he calls and talks about the different runs he's been
Speaker 1: out on and and and I hear a lot of
Speaker 1: what he says and a lot of what you say
Speaker 1: after that, after that day is over and you're in
Speaker 1: the driveway and you're thinking about just went down, uh,
Speaker 1: you're thinking about all that stuff. I hear a lot
Speaker 1: of that same stuff and what he is telling me.
Speaker 1: So by reading this book, I feel like I'm going
Speaker 1: to have a better understanding of what he goes through
Speaker 1: as he progresses on his journey in law enforcement. And
Speaker 1: that is a very person that is a very personal
Speaker 1: thing for me, and I want to thank you for
Speaker 1: that because I'm thinking, when I'm done with this, i
Speaker 1: want to give this to him because a lot of
Speaker 1: the things that he's feeling, you're you write about in
Speaker 1: this book. And and so he's and he doesn't question
Speaker 1: his training, he doesn't question, uh, you know, if he's
Speaker 1: doing things the way. He knows he's doing things the
Speaker 1: right way. But it's that human interaction that sticks with
Speaker 1: you and you wonder, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: did I do right by that person as a human being?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I know, sometimes it's such a gray area.
Speaker 8: And you know, it's pretty unbelievable what cops have to
Speaker 8: go through on a daily basis. I mean, you know
Speaker 8: when you write the when when you compile the book,
Speaker 8: and it's just you know, your experience over the course
Speaker 8: of six or seven years on actually on the street,
Speaker 8: Like it's it's pretty insane, Like how much trauma or
Speaker 8: like how much how many critical incidents that you will
Speaker 8: go through in those eight years. But you know it's
Speaker 8: a human interaction that really does You know that I
Speaker 8: kind of focus on in the book a lot, and
Speaker 8: you know, it's it's such a gray area, right because
Speaker 8: like you know what the law is, but you also know,
Speaker 8: like does the law outweigh the outcome of what's going
Speaker 8: to happen if I give this person a ticket, you
Speaker 8: know it's going to ruin a lot more of their
Speaker 8: life because of their financial situation of where they're at.
Speaker 8: And so you know, it's always like you know, should
Speaker 8: I ticket this person or not take it that person?
Speaker 8: And you know some days you don't have time. It's
Speaker 8: just it's such an emotionally taxing job. I don't think
Speaker 8: a lot of people understand that though, like that. You know,
Speaker 8: people give teachers a lot of credit, as they should.
Speaker 8: Teachers are an important thing, but you know, it's not
Speaker 8: even in the same realm of what a cop or
Speaker 8: even a paramedic has to deal with in a single day.
Speaker 8: I don't think the world really truly understands, you know,
Speaker 8: what exactly a cop does in a day.
Speaker 10: You're going to see blood every single day of your life.
Speaker 2: You know, when you go to work.
Speaker 8: And you're going to see somebody's feet mangled up in
Speaker 8: a dashboard every single day, You're going to see a
Speaker 8: stab wound every single day that you work. You're gonna
Speaker 8: get in a foot chase once a month or once
Speaker 8: a week or whatever.
Speaker 10: I mean, it's just there's so many critical incidents in
Speaker 10: a day. It's just it really is incredible that cops
Speaker 10: do what they do for thirty years.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And again I want to thank you for
Speaker 1: the book Pig Latin, a seriously funny true story of
Speaker 1: a former police officer. Are you still on the book
Speaker 1: tour You're still jumping around different places in the country
Speaker 1: doing that or is that I know, I know what's
Speaker 1: going on for a while.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's actually kind of a lot of happened in
Speaker 10: the book too. I didn't really go exactly the sand
Speaker 10: because we sold the movie rights or the TV rights
Speaker 10: and so like, really all the focus has been getting
Speaker 10: this thing turned into a TV series. So lots of
Speaker 10: meetings with production companies and directors and other writers and actors,
Speaker 10: and it's been a really cool to be a part
Speaker 10: of that process. And I've got to be on set
Speaker 10: of The Hunting Wise. I kind of signed myself up
Speaker 10: for that one just to get some experience, and that
Speaker 10: kind of got me my foot in the door and
Speaker 10: see what Hollywood's all about. And I just did my
Speaker 10: first audition for a part that's in a movie shot
Speaker 10: next month in New Orleans and I got my first
Speaker 10: callback so for for a part. So I don't know
Speaker 10: if I end up get the part or not, but
Speaker 10: just being in Hollywood. I was in I was in
Speaker 10: three episodes of The Office Joe Show, which is a
Speaker 10: funny TV series about veterans getting out of the military
Speaker 10: and going into the workspace.
Speaker 8: Really funny show. I think it's already streaming, but it's
Speaker 8: called Office Joe. But I played a police officer in
Speaker 8: that and that was really fun. So really kind of
Speaker 8: the last six months, I've been doing a lot of
Speaker 8: stuff in Hollywood as far as writing and now acting.
Speaker 8: So that's kind of fun.
Speaker 1: How about that, Eric Tansy goes Hollywood. Who would have thought?
Speaker 1: Is absolutely fun?
Speaker 2: Maybe?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Maybe I'll see you. Know the Golden Globes were
Speaker 1: on last night. Maybe I'll see you on the next
Speaker 1: Golden Globes. That's absolutely fantastic. Let me ask you about
Speaker 1: this the and this is the kind of stuff you
Speaker 1: talk about in your podcast, and the whole situation in Minneapolis,
Speaker 1: Renee Nicole Good. The video is out there. I think
Speaker 1: the video look a lot of thing. I talk about
Speaker 1: this a lot that A lot of times when it
Speaker 1: comes to situations like this police bodycam video, dash cam video,
Speaker 1: A lot of times those videos create more questions than
Speaker 1: they provide answers. But I think in this situation, the
Speaker 1: multiple videos we have, the different angles, I think it
Speaker 1: really puts it in good context. And it is amazing
Speaker 1: to me how those on the left continue to try
Speaker 1: to drive the narrative that the ice officers, the ice
Speaker 1: agents were in the wrong here and somehow Renee Nicole
Speaker 1: Good was simply an innocent victim.
Speaker 8: Well, you know, and it's and that's that's police work.
Speaker 8: So we can always do things better. I mean, there's
Speaker 8: not a single incident that you kind of go to
Speaker 8: that you're like, wow, I really did a good job.
Speaker 8: I said all the right things, and I moved in
Speaker 8: all the right places, and the outcome really turned.
Speaker 2: Out exactly how I want.
Speaker 9: Very rarely does that.
Speaker 8: Actually happen, And for the police, it's very easy to
Speaker 8: sit back and say what he could have done or
Speaker 8: what he should have done. You know, the officer was
Speaker 8: a combat veteran, as I think I know it military veteran.
Speaker 8: There's also a federal agent, and federal agents are they
Speaker 8: have a different approach to policing than the city cop.
Speaker 8: The city cop, you know, he knows everybody in that community,
Speaker 8: and so he's.
Speaker 10: More comfortable, he's more aware. It's easier to have situational awareness.
Speaker 10: But being a federal agent in a new city, it's
Speaker 10: kind of like you're you're you're an away team. You
Speaker 10: don't really know the crowd, and so your adrenal is
Speaker 10: a little bit higher. You don't get to make the
Speaker 10: same decisions as a street cop because this is a
Speaker 10: new area to you, and cops are human beings, and
Speaker 10: so when you're in a new place and you're also
Speaker 10: not used to that amount of chaos, ICE agents don't
Speaker 10: really typically have a lot of chaos.
Speaker 8: They usually go in, they make an arrest. You know,
Speaker 8: Ugal immigrants kind of know you're coming. A lot of times,
Speaker 8: they pretty much know that ICE is on their way,
Speaker 8: and so there's little, very little drama in majority.
Speaker 10: Of ICE's dealings. So you know, you put a federal
Speaker 10: agent in a new area, in a new position, and
Speaker 10: it's something that he's not used to, and you have
Speaker 10: a woman who sought the police, found the police, blocked
Speaker 10: the police, engaged the police, disobeyed the police, e they
Speaker 10: the police, inadvertently or advertently struck the police with her vehicle.
Speaker 10: I mean, none of that's ever going to turn out good.
Speaker 10: And so I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 10: could the cop have done a lot of things better? Sure, yes, absolutely,
Speaker 10: But think about that quarterback who practices the same play
Speaker 10: over and over again for fifteen years, and you know,
Speaker 10: he gets to the one game that he has to
Speaker 10: produce and and he throws an interception, and you know,
Speaker 10: the fans.
Speaker 2: Are like, why did he throw that ball?
Speaker 8: You know, it doesn't matter how.
Speaker 10: Much you practice something or how much you plan something.
Speaker 10: When you're in the arena, it's not as easy to
Speaker 10: produce as what civilians might think.
Speaker 1: You know, absolutely absolutely, I think at.
Speaker 10: The end of the day, I think she should have
Speaker 10: just you know, stayed home. Let the police to your job.
Speaker 10: You know that we have a system in place to
Speaker 10: to disagree with the police. And you know, at the
Speaker 10: end of the day. You got to remember that these
Speaker 10: kinds it's not really that personal to them, Like they
Speaker 10: have families that they want to get home to, and
Speaker 10: so they do make decisions based on that as well.
Speaker 10: They don't just they're not warmongers. He knows that when
Speaker 10: he pulls the trigger, but the chances of him going
Speaker 10: to jail are extremely likely. So I don't think that
Speaker 10: a lot of cops in twenty twenty five are pulling
Speaker 10: the trigger unless they know that you know that they
Speaker 10: need to.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Eric Tansey. I like you for a lot
Speaker 1: of reasons, And one of the reasons is I don't
Speaker 1: know a lot of guys who own their own distilleries.
Speaker 1: Are Are you still in the run business?
Speaker 10: Well, I ran out of time for the distilling business.
Speaker 10: I had to let one thing go. I have five
Speaker 10: kids that are all homeschooled, so I did. I did
Speaker 10: get rid of the distillery. It was sad, but it
Speaker 10: was you know, I never planned on being a podcaster.
Speaker 10: I never planned on writing a book when I opened
Speaker 10: the distillary. I thought I was going to live my
Speaker 10: life out as a distiller. But I fell into podcasting
Speaker 10: by accident, and that sparked a book, and then that sparked,
Speaker 10: you know, now this journey of of of where I'm
Speaker 10: at now and and so yeah, one thing I have
Speaker 10: to give because you know, my family is very important
Speaker 10: and my son is my All three of my sons
Speaker 10: are fully sponsored skateboarders and country Boy Skater has blown
Speaker 10: up on Instagram and has several viral videos and so
Speaker 10: you know, traveling with him and making content with my
Speaker 10: thirteen year old and my eleven year old is you know,
Speaker 10: we just got back from Baltimore doing that. So yeah,
Speaker 10: something I had to give.
Speaker 1: Well that that's that's one of the great memories I
Speaker 1: have from the visit that had down there a few
Speaker 1: summers ago, was visiting the distillery that it was. It
Speaker 1: was an excellent product, and whoever took it over, I
Speaker 1: hope they're keeping up the same great work because it
Speaker 1: was fantastic. Eric Tansey, best of luck to you with
Speaker 1: the book and all the other irons you have in
Speaker 1: the fire. I hope we get to hang out again
Speaker 1: sometime before too long, and thanks for the time today.
Speaker 1: The book is called pig Latin, a serious, funny true
Speaker 1: story of a former police officer. I'm guessing it's on
Speaker 1: Amazon and all places where you can get.
Speaker 10: Books every bookstore, Target, Costco, Hudson's Books, and million Amazon.
Speaker 10: The audiobook is incredible. It was a four time Grammy nominee.
Speaker 10: Travis Ton and Noel White, big giant producers in the industries.
Speaker 8: They did a phenomenal just an insane job with the audiobook.
Speaker 8: I read it, but they had all the sounds and
Speaker 8: the music and the drama. None of it was generated
Speaker 8: by AI.
Speaker 2: All those voices.
Speaker 8: I had to do all of the voices for all
Speaker 8: the characters, and so the audiobook was just a faint
Speaker 8: a phenomenal production. And can't think those guys enough some Yeah,
Speaker 8: the audiobook is where it's at.
Speaker 1: That is outstanding. Eric Tansey, thanks for the time. We
Speaker 1: got to run, but all the best to you. Keep
Speaker 1: up the great work and have a grete twenty twenty
Speaker 1: six to yours.
Speaker 10: Thank you sir.
Speaker 1: All right, there you go, Eric Tansey. In the book
Speaker 1: is called pig Latin, and I'm not kid it's I'm
Speaker 1: about maybe a third of the way through because I
Speaker 1: just started reading it yesterday and it is a terrific read.
Speaker 1: Pig Latin, The seriously funny true story of a former
Speaker 1: police officer eleven twenty five Dan Carrollin for Scott's loan.
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Speaker 1: A judge, a federal judge is blocking the Trump administration
Speaker 1: from freezing ten billion dollars in childcare. Federal judge temporarily
Speaker 1: blocking the administration cutting off more than ten billion dollars
Speaker 1: in the social services and childcare funding in Democrat led
Speaker 1: states over unt earns about fraud. New York District Judge
Speaker 1: Arun Subramanian, an appointee of President Joe Biden, issued a
Speaker 1: fourteen day temporary restraining order. This is in response to
Speaker 1: a lawsuit brought by attorneys general in California, Colorado, Illinois, Minnesota,
Speaker 1: and New York. The relief is preliminary in nature, designed
Speaker 1: to protect the status quo while playing this motion for
Speaker 1: a preliminary injunction is is being decided. Supermanian found that
Speaker 1: the Democrats led state showed good cause, arguing that a
Speaker 1: funding freeze would have immediate and devastating impacts. Really, you
Speaker 1: know what else has immediate and devastating impacts. Stealing money
Speaker 1: to the tune of almost nine billion dollars or maybe
Speaker 1: even more. I would say that has an immediate and
Speaker 1: devastating impact as well, pretty much to the people who
Speaker 1: spend that hoop, pay that money where that money comes from.
Speaker 1: New York Attorney General Letitia James, who led the four
Speaker 1: states suing the Trump administration, is celebrating the legal victory.
Speaker 1: This decision is critical for families whose lives have been
Speaker 1: upended by this administration's cruelty. Really, so, it's cruel to
Speaker 1: send billions of dollars to these individuals who are defrauding
Speaker 1: the government and then saying, you know what, maybe we
Speaker 1: should stop doing that, maybe we should stop having all
Speaker 1: this fraud going on. But according to Letitia James, that's
Speaker 1: pretty cool or pretty cruel. I should say, we've got
Speaker 1: Eddie in Columbus, Eddie seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 11: Again to tell the job today buddy, appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks for listening, Thanks for picking up the phone.
Speaker 12: The shooting in Minneapolis that I think that's poor training
Speaker 12: for tactics for supervision.
Speaker 3: But he'll be all right.
Speaker 12: I think it'll be all right.
Speaker 3: There'll be some.
Speaker 12: Hoot and hollering, but we'll move on from that and
Speaker 12: hopefully things will improve. Since NY City Council is making
Speaker 12: a business decision with any settlements, they're known for this.
Speaker 12: They they've been paying out settlements for decades and it's
Speaker 12: a business decision. All they want to do is get
Speaker 12: re elected and prevent a riot.
Speaker 3: I think they'd much rather.
Speaker 12: They don't mind burying cops.
Speaker 3: I think they'd rather bury a cup and deal with
Speaker 3: a riot.
Speaker 1: Well, I certainly hope, I certainly hope that's not true.
Speaker 1: But you got to to my way of thinking. You
Speaker 1: got to look at these things on a case by
Speaker 1: case basis, And in this particular case, when you're talking
Speaker 1: about young mister Hinton eighteen years old, out boosting cars
Speaker 1: with his buddies and they're hanging out in the parking lot,
Speaker 1: police roll up, they all start running, he made the
Speaker 1: decision to, uh, grab the gun and take it with him,
Speaker 1: he dropped the gun, he made the decision to bend
Speaker 1: down and pick it up. He made the move to
Speaker 1: turn that gun towards police and under the law, under
Speaker 1: police training, all the rest of it, that's all the
Speaker 1: cop needs. And yeah, it only took the split second,
Speaker 1: but when you do that, you take the consequences to
Speaker 1: come with it. And unfortunately, look, no one is happy
Speaker 1: that this young man lost his life. No one is
Speaker 1: out there celebrating that. But we are also celebrating the
Speaker 1: fact that a Cincinnati police officer got to go home
Speaker 1: to his family. And if we have if we have,
Speaker 1: it certainly appears we can't. We don't have a city
Speaker 1: manager that wants to stand up for that, and I'm
Speaker 1: certainly hoping that we have a city council that wants
Speaker 1: to stand up for that. To my if I'm on
Speaker 1: the city council and this comes before me, my position is,
Speaker 1: let's go to court if the family wants to to
Speaker 1: to sue, and I understand that there's a lesser burden
Speaker 1: to proof and all the rest of it. And I
Speaker 1: don't care if if my law office is telling me
Speaker 1: this is not a good gamble. If you know what,
Speaker 1: if we go to court and we can't put on
Speaker 1: a defense to stop this settlement or stop a huge
Speaker 1: payment from going out, then we need maybe we need
Speaker 1: better lawyers argue in our case. That's that's the way
Speaker 1: it seems to me. It's all pretty cut and and look,
Speaker 1: we have a prosecutor. Think about this. We have a
Speaker 1: prosecutor here in Hamilton County who just last month reached
Speaker 1: in to death row and extracted a person from death
Speaker 1: row who had been on death row for almost thirty
Speaker 1: years and said, you know what, I've looked at this case.
Speaker 1: You know, a judge says, this guy gets a new trial.
Speaker 1: I've looked at this case and I've decided this guy
Speaker 1: is not guilty. That is the same prosecutor who looked
Speaker 1: at this case with this police officer and said everything
Speaker 1: was done by the book. This police officer didn't do
Speaker 1: anything wrong. That to me is a pretty strong endorsement
Speaker 1: that what this cop did and God bless him. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a terrible situation to be in. You never want
Speaker 1: to have. I don't think as a copper, as a
Speaker 1: human being, you want to pull the trigger and end
Speaker 1: the life of an eighteen year old kid who's obviously
Speaker 1: making some bad choice, but that's the way it happened.
Speaker 1: That's the way it went down. He's got to deal
Speaker 1: with that for the rest of his life. It's a
Speaker 1: terrible thing, but in the end it was justified according
Speaker 1: to this prosecutor. That to me is a pretty strong
Speaker 1: endorsement that we can take this thing to trial and
Speaker 1: let the ships fall where they may. Well, I agree
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 11: I was pleased at our prosecutor's decision, or your prosecutor's decision.
Speaker 11: But again, City Council, they're operating on their you know,
Speaker 11: they operate on their own frequency. Man, they're way out
Speaker 11: there and they're looking at Okay, what's Irish Rowley telling us, Well,
Speaker 11: give them some money so I can keep them calm
Speaker 11: and not a riot. There'll be no riots, And I
Speaker 11: really believe that that's that's all they're worried about. Well,
Speaker 11: it reelected, which they just did. They just and man,
Speaker 11: let's face it, they accomplished that masterfully, soundly re elected.
Speaker 11: So now the next thing is prevent riots.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, we had a voter turnout of about
Speaker 1: twenty seven eight percent, maybe less than that. So yeah,
Speaker 1: the people who vote in Cincinnati, did they vote for
Speaker 1: this Yeah, did they vote for the crime that we have.
Speaker 1: Did they vote for a mayor who was going to
Speaker 1: increase taxes? Did they vote for the whole notion that
Speaker 1: we have a city manager that may most likely wrongfully
Speaker 1: fired the fire chief and most likely is going to
Speaker 1: have to pay out a huge settlement. There, that we
Speaker 1: have a city manager who is letting our current police
Speaker 1: chief who is suspended twist in the wind. And there's
Speaker 1: word now that the law firm that they hired to
Speaker 1: investigate this hasn't been able to find anything on Teresa
Speaker 1: tig Now we have the specter of an eight point
Speaker 1: one million dollar settlement that's going to be paid to
Speaker 1: malcontents who came to the city of Cincinnati to riot
Speaker 1: and do damage and violate the curfew, that those people
Speaker 1: are going to get a ten, twelve, fifteen thousand dollars windfall.
Speaker 1: It just seems to me that voting for that same
Speaker 1: sort of thing over and over again really is not
Speaker 1: the best course of action.
Speaker 11: City council is going to pin the one thing they're
Speaker 11: going to find wrong with the former chief for the chief,
Speaker 11: but who's on paid lead. They're gonna blame her for
Speaker 11: not making improvements at that playground. Uh, they're gonna that's
Speaker 11: what They're gonna hang her hat on.
Speaker 1: You watch, Okay, Well we'll see how that goes down, Eddie.
Speaker 1: But I don't know how much how much control of
Speaker 1: the police chief has over installing cameras and lights of
Speaker 1: the playground. But Eddie, thank you very much for the call.
Speaker 1: I certainly appreciate that. Let's go to Chris and Cincinnati
Speaker 1: and Chris, you're on seven hundred WW.
Speaker 10: And how's going today.
Speaker 1: I'm great, Chris, glad to be here and glad you
Speaker 1: picked up the phone.
Speaker 8: Thanks well, thanks for taking my car.
Speaker 7: Let's just I'm a question because I got to tell
Speaker 7: them a little bit.
Speaker 9: And I'm just wondering the difference. And I'm playing devil
Speaker 9: that kit.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying anyone's to blame, but looking at it
Speaker 7: and hearing a lot of opinions from yourself, the people
Speaker 7: put personalities on radio and national news and what we
Speaker 7: have going on here. But what's the difference between the
Speaker 7: two instance, Minnesota and Cincinnati. What we're talking about, Uh,
Speaker 7: the officer put himself in front of that vehicle to
Speaker 7: stop it and decided excuse force up at Minnesota and
Speaker 7: the officer appear in Cincinnati with mister Hinton should have
Speaker 7: been backing off because he was an undercover and put
Speaker 7: himself in that situation.
Speaker 1: Well, Chris, look, if you're you're trying to compare the
Speaker 1: incident in Minnesota and the incident in Cincinnati that ended
Speaker 1: the life of miss a young mister Hinton eighteen years old,
Speaker 1: is that was that what I'm hearing? Is that what
Speaker 1: you're trying to tell me?
Speaker 7: I mean, we're talking if we weren't talking about Minnesota.
Speaker 7: I got in my car a little bit.
Speaker 1: Late, but it was just yeah, well I'm not I mean,
Speaker 1: I've talked about both things, but I I don't see
Speaker 1: how these two things are connected. And Chris, I'll thank
Speaker 1: you for the call. I don't see how these two
Speaker 1: things are connected. I think we have a situation in
Speaker 1: Minneapolis where you had ice officers who were in the
Speaker 1: street lawfully doing what they were supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1: You have an agitator who was out there in the street.
Speaker 1: The video shows that she was out there for several
Speaker 1: minutes beforehand, honking the horn, moving her car around, blocking
Speaker 1: the procedure of ICE agents and federal agents to do
Speaker 1: their job, and it wound up with her. And to
Speaker 1: my way of thinking, it matters not if the police
Speaker 1: officer was in front of the car, behind the car,
Speaker 1: at side of the car, ten feet away, twenty feet away,
Speaker 1: six inches away. It doesn't matter. You drive your car.
Speaker 1: And I heard it on the news the bottom of
Speaker 1: the hour that she was turning away from police. Look
Speaker 1: at the video. Look at the video that that ice
Speaker 1: agent was struck by that car at that point. That
Speaker 1: car is a deadly weapon, pretty cut and dry. I
Speaker 1: don't know how that is related to and the point
Speaker 1: he was trying to make that somehow they're the same thing.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. The the end result is the
Speaker 1: same that police had to fire in their own self defense.
Speaker 1: And look, I don't know if you've ever had a
Speaker 1: gun pointed at you in anger, but I have. And
Speaker 1: there's if if you have, you know exactly what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about that it brings when when you face that
Speaker 1: threat of a loaded weapon being pointed at you, it
Speaker 1: brings things into clarity very quickly. There are a few things,
Speaker 1: if anything, in life, more sobering than that moment. So
Speaker 1: when you're a police officer and you're on the job
Speaker 1: and you see someone turning towards you with that weapon
Speaker 1: in your hand. You are justified to protect yourself and
Speaker 1: protect others. And trying to equate the situation in Minneapolis
Speaker 1: with the one in Cincinnati. I just don't make that connection.
Speaker 1: Matthew and Preble County. Then we got ed in Coleraine,
Speaker 1: Matthew seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 13: Hey, Dan, real quick, you know from twenty thousand seeds,
Speaker 13: do you?
Speaker 9: I'm just hearing all this.
Speaker 13: Stuff more on Cincinnati and the Minneapolis stuff. You know,
Speaker 13: that's a whole different ballgame in my opinion, no comparison needed.
Speaker 13: But the camera is going up in Laurel Park down there.
Speaker 13: For one. Aren't parks closed at dark? Don't parkspose it
Speaker 13: at nighttime when the sun goes down normally?
Speaker 1: So you know, mean the park is there. I don't
Speaker 1: know that. I have not been by that park. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they're signage saying when the park is
Speaker 1: open when it's not. And I mean, look these are
Speaker 1: this is an eleven year old kid. An eleven year
Speaker 1: old kid goes out and was it totally dark at
Speaker 1: that time? I don't know. I mean the time is changing.
Speaker 1: I noticed the other night at at six o'clock at night,
Speaker 1: it was still there was still some daylight out there,
Speaker 1: so was there some lingering daylight. I don't know about
Speaker 1: that particular night, that particular incident, but to have a
Speaker 1: kid in a park at six o'clock at night doesn't
Speaker 1: seem totally out of the realm of being unreasonable to me.
Speaker 13: But putting lights up, that almost seems like it will
Speaker 13: facilitate parents letting more kids play later in the park
Speaker 13: because it's lit up, and they'll have a false sense
Speaker 13: of security because there's light.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the light lights and cameras. They don't
Speaker 1: necessarily provide a sense of security, but they provide an
Speaker 1: ability to if there's a perpetrator in an incident like this,
Speaker 1: to to track down that perpetrator and put that perpetrator
Speaker 1: behind bars. Now we have we have a whole other
Speaker 1: issue with that here in Cincinnati. As far as locking
Speaker 1: up people who need to be locked up, we don't,
Speaker 1: we aren't. We are not doing a great job of
Speaker 1: that at the present.
Speaker 13: Time by putting the lights up, and same with the city,
Speaker 13: you know, with other things they're doing. It seems like
Speaker 13: they're treating the effect rather than treating the cause, which
Speaker 13: would be you know, miners and gun violence, so they're
Speaker 13: they're treating the effect and they're reactive rather than proactive,
Speaker 13: which seems to be part of the course with the
Speaker 13: city manager.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, AFT tab Purval just said, look, we got
Speaker 1: to have a tax increase so we can we can't
Speaker 1: address crime, and we can address poverty, which, according to
Speaker 1: AFT tab Purvol, is the root cause of crime. And
Speaker 1: spending more money on poverty programs apparently an AFT tab
Speaker 1: Purvol's mind is going to go a long way in
Speaker 1: addressing that issue. Let's get one more call in here
Speaker 1: before we call it a day and make way for
Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham coming up at noon. But we've got to
Speaker 1: ed in Coleraine, ED seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 9: Yeah, how you doing?
Speaker 1: But I'm good, Ed. What's up?
Speaker 9: Well, actually, I'm just on an off note. I think
Speaker 9: all parks close at dusk, okay, when it's dark, they
Speaker 9: close at dusk. And I don't understand why the thing
Speaker 9: that happened in Minneapolis terriblesm may be they didn't listen
Speaker 9: to what the cops said. I mean, what happened to
Speaker 9: the days my parents raised me to do what the
Speaker 9: guy with a gun told me to do, and I'd
Speaker 9: live another day to figure it out. Where Where did
Speaker 9: that go? In the in this day and age? Where
Speaker 9: did that go?
Speaker 1: I don't understand it well that I think that's a
Speaker 1: I think that's ap.
Speaker 9: Everybody wants to take a cop to the task and
Speaker 9: he's just doing his damn job. If he says something
Speaker 9: to you, do what he is.
Speaker 1: I think that's a major component of this. So there
Speaker 1: is clearly uh commands being made by these federal agents
Speaker 1: for her to stop the car and then get out
Speaker 1: of the car, and there is there can be no
Speaker 1: question that she did not comply with those commands, and
Speaker 1: the failure to comply with those commands led to her
Speaker 1: doing what back in the car, up putting the car
Speaker 1: in gear, stepping on the gas, and hitting a federal agent.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how muchimore cut and
Speaker 1: driving it needs to get. I don't know why you
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it, But she mean, I.
Speaker 9: Don't get all these things that go on. I just
Speaker 9: don't understand why where did the values go that a
Speaker 9: police officer is a person of power and you do
Speaker 9: what they say and then yeah, maybe you have to
Speaker 9: go to court to get out of a ticket or whatever.
Speaker 9: But I mean, my god, do you want to die
Speaker 9: or do you want to go to court a couple
Speaker 9: of weeks.
Speaker 1: It's it's a fairly simple.
Speaker 9: Concept can be. People can't be that stupid. It just
Speaker 9: amazes me they can't be.
Speaker 1: You know. I used to fly around in a helicopter
Speaker 1: for Channel nine WCPO long time, and there were times
Speaker 1: when I would pull up and ed we got a run.
Speaker 1: But there were times when we would be over a
Speaker 1: situation where you had a police officer had a car
Speaker 1: pulled over, and I would have the camera trained on
Speaker 1: that in recording video just in case something went sideways.
Speaker 1: But the vast majority of times people comply. They may
Speaker 1: not be happy about it, but everyone leaves healthy and happy.
Speaker 1: And if you comply, there's a good chance, way of
Speaker 1: almost a chance, that's what's going to happen. I got
Speaker 1: to get out of here, Dave, Thank you for everything.
Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham is up next on the Home of the
Speaker 1: Reds seven hundred WLW