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Speaker 1: six fifty about KRCD talk station right Happy Friday, needs

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Speaker 1: to you. Great day you listening to the fifty about

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Speaker 1: karrsee morning ship. This moment in time, the return of

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Speaker 1: Congressman Warren Davidson. We do have some good members of Congress.

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Speaker 1: He is one of them. At least that's my subjective opinion.

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Speaker 1: I think it's an opinion shared widely by my listeners.

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Speaker 1: And thanks to the folks that he represents for voting

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Speaker 1: him into office time and time again. Welcome back, Congressman Davidson.

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Speaker 1: It's always great to have you on the fifty five

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Speaker 2: Always an honor. Thanks Brian. Good to talk.

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Speaker 1: So the government's still shut down if I missed any

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Speaker 1: news breaking their Congressman Davidson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is in fact still shut down. I mean so, uh,

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Speaker 2: you know a lot of people are coming up to

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Speaker 2: me going, well, this is great. I don't really notice anything.

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Speaker 2: People that live closer to write Patterson Air Force Base,

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Speaker 2: if not directly affected, have a friend or family member

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Speaker 2: that works at the base, and some of them are

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Speaker 2: people that are considered quote not essential. People are like, well,

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Speaker 2: why do we have non essential workers in the first place, well,

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Speaker 2: right Patison Air Force Base, largest employer in the state,

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Speaker 2: and the Air Force procurement hub is at right Patterson

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Speaker 2: Air Force Base. When you buy stuff for the Air Force,

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Speaker 2: you know, not necessarily if they buy it this afternoon,

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Speaker 2: but you've got to buy it eventually. So you know,

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Speaker 2: those are people that are quote furlough. They're they're not

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Speaker 2: at work today. The military people at write Patterson Air

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Speaker 2: Force Base are at work, but then if they're working

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Speaker 2: on any procurement stuff, their productivity is totally disrupted because

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Speaker 2: and day out, who are civilians, aren't at work in

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Speaker 2: a lot of cases. So you know, those kinds of

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Speaker 2: things go on, they're going to be more and more felt,

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Speaker 2: and it's certainly going to be more noticeable when at

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Speaker 2: the end of the month a lot of people don't get.

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Speaker 1: Well, No question, they're gonna start feeling the sting of that.

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Speaker 1: Now are there. My understanding is that most government employees

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Speaker 1: have resources available to them where they can get no

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Speaker 1: interest loans from banks because the banks know full well

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Speaker 1: once the government opens back up, so it's a no

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Speaker 1: So people aren't literally not eating or incapable of paying

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, those resources are out there. Everyone's communicating that

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Speaker 2: to employees, including the companies that want their business. But

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Speaker 2: if they don't already have an account with you know,

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Speaker 2: USA Navy, Federal Credit Union, Congressional Credit Union, you know,

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Speaker 2: et cetera, all those kinds of things, and a lot

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Speaker 2: of normal privacy right credit Union will do the same

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Speaker 2: for a lot of people. You know, a lot of

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Speaker 2: a lot of banks will do it even you know,

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Speaker 2: depending on your relationship with them and the fact that

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Speaker 2: you have direct depositive with the government paid check. They

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Speaker 2: know the money's going to eventually be there. So you know,

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Speaker 2: we're working right now, obviously occasionally trying to convince Democrats

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Speaker 2: we should consider the CR thing as the ended month approaches.

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Speaker 2: But in the meantime, you know, right now, if we

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Speaker 2: So you know, that's what brings me to DC this

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Speaker 2: actually even on the bill that it's called cloture. It's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you see any in the dam on the

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Speaker 1: So they don't have any to complain about keeping things

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Speaker 1: They have no one to blame for themselves for ending

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Speaker 1: I don't get it. Is there any like poll out

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's with the polling shows. But you know,

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Speaker 2: You have a control of the House, the Senate, and

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Speaker 1: Overlooking the sixty vote majority needed in the Senate. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think some of the Democrats want

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Speaker 2: They had two Democrats that didn't go along with the plan.

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Speaker 2: So I think that that this is part of the

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Speaker 2: that's that's at play here. There are a lot of

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Speaker 2: of consensus. But the idea that to your point, this

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Speaker 2: this is the first time ever that anyone is used

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Speaker 2: But this is the first time that it was well, okay,

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Speaker 2: there saying, yeah, we're fine with it if it causes

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Speaker 2: It's very intentional play, and they basically want the headlines

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Speaker 2: And honestly, I think that's why they want to get

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Speaker 2: It's like, well, look, you guys are the ones that

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Speaker 2: shut it down. The votes are called, they're recorded. People

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Speaker 1: It's Democrats, a congressman, David's a real quick here before

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Speaker 1: among other things. In terms of the sixty vote majority,

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Speaker 2: You know, that's a good question. It's a Senate rule,

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Speaker 1: Okay, how about this real quick.

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Speaker 2: Of the majority of the Senate, So all the all

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Speaker 1: All right, how about this is a plague just to

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Speaker 1: then the next day vote to change the rule back

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, one of the proposals, and this is

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Speaker 2: that's an interesting strategy. I personally liked the old sixty

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Speaker 2: actually be present on the floor of the Senate. So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you could do it, you could work together, but you

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Speaker 2: of course everybody's attention was focused because four to seven

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Speaker 2: the mister Smith goes to Washington. He eventually ran out

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, people I guess don't want to show up Senate,

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Speaker 1: Congressmanre Davidson, should we just tell the irs to go away?

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Speaker 1: We're going to ask him that question coming up seven

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Speaker 2: The talk station.

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Speaker 1: Seven twenty one fifty five KRSD Talk Station. Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: here with Congressman Warren Davidson. Appreciate his willingness to come

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Speaker 1: on with fifty five krc mornings and talk about important

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Speaker 1: issues like here's a quote from somebody, Congressman Davidson, do

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Speaker 1: you know who said this quote? I'm rooting for the

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Speaker 1: irs to be closed. I've got a constitutional amendment to

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Speaker 1: repeal the sixteenth Amendment. I think it's a massive invasion

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Speaker 1: be we will completely repeal the sixteenth Amendment and fully

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Speaker 1: close the IRS. That sounds like a great idea. Who

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Speaker 2: Oh that's Warren Davidson. That's a pretty good quote. I'm

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Speaker 2: glad you found it. Uh. Yeah, I was doing a

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Speaker 2: Trump's doing these bad things to the IRS and people

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Speaker 2: power of the IRS and weaponized government and everything, and

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Speaker 2: sit you with some ambush stuff. So that was one

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Speaker 2: a bit. They weren't really prepared for that angle.

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Speaker 1: Well, the comical part of that is weize Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: weaponized the government against the IRS. Well, Okay, you know,

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Speaker 1: go back to who's responsible for the shutdown. I think

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Speaker 1: we've clearly conclude the Democrats are so that gives Donald

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Speaker 1: they created that scenario, But the irs itself was weaponized

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Speaker 1: than Davidson. I got to get this in. The tax

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Speaker 2: I mean, one hundred percent all that is exactly like,

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Speaker 2: that's exactly it. I hate the income tax. I get

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Speaker 2: we got to pay some form of tax, right, you know, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I don't like property tax that much either, but at

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Speaker 2: The income tax is first and foremost this surveillance tool.

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Speaker 2: You know, did somebody pay you, did you pay somebody else?

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Speaker 2: your house? You know, et cetera, et cetera, all this

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Speaker 2: insane stuff. You're like, get out of my life and

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Speaker 2: get a warrant if you need to know that. And

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Speaker 2: then it's so complicated. The Democrats wanted to hire eighty

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Speaker 1: Well, we eradicated slavery in this country, and I can't

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Speaker 1: I suppose you could argue without your consent, although I

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, people talk about McCarthyism, and you know,

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Speaker 2: The problem with the communists they think everything is Caesar's.

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Speaker 1: Right, leaving nothing for God, which is part and part

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Speaker 1: Congressman Warren Davidson, what are the good ones? Keep going up,

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Speaker 1: keep up the great work. Congressman Davidson. You always have

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Speaker 1: a voice here in the fifty five Casite Morning Show

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Speaker 1: if you need to get some information out, and I

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Speaker 1: appreciate your willingness to do that. Thanks for your time

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Speaker 1: today and best to health you and your family, sir.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Brian, God bless you and all your listeners.

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