WEBVTT - HR 1 - Matt Bartkowski 0:01:11.180 --> 0:01:17.000 Okay, Steelers, McCarthy, why are you still mad? I'm not 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:18.920 even sure what else to talk about in the wake 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:24.690 of that game Sunday. I thought McCarthy and Rodgers yanked 0:01:24.730 --> 0:01:28.710 that game out the ass. Yeah, there were some caught 0:01:28.750 --> 0:01:32.090 management mistakes, but I know the two guys most responsible 0:01:32.130 --> 0:01:35.000 for winning the game, and you're blaming one of them, 0:01:35.060 --> 0:01:39.529 and Making fat comments and, boy, you people suck. 0:01:40.010 --> 0:01:45.130 Pittsburgh sucks. Steeler fans suck. Go to Paris. Have fun 0:01:45.170 --> 0:01:50.800 at the Riot. Maybe ask them to tailgates. It ain't 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:51.720 good for the Penguins. 0:01:51.740 --> 0:01:56.760 0-4 on the road trip and not much good that's happening. 0:01:58.020 --> 0:02:01.600 The Penguins are old, slow, and kept guys around too long. Duh. 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:02.610 Told you so. 0:02:03.770 --> 0:02:06.720 And the usual suspects think Dubas should have done more. 0:02:07.420 --> 0:02:10.740 If you're listening, and you know who you are, call 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:15.739 up and tell me specifically what exactly Dubas should have done. 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:19.690 What, add more old guys? Try to contend? 0:02:20.910 --> 0:02:23.590 Because it wouldn't have worked, and you would have filled 0:02:23.630 --> 0:02:27.670 up your cap moving forward. It is critical to note 0:02:27.690 --> 0:02:31.540 that the Penguins only have six players under contract past 0:02:31.580 --> 0:02:35.230 next season. Dubas is going to have a clean slate 0:02:35.270 --> 0:02:38.250 to work with and a lot of cap room. People 0:02:38.290 --> 0:02:40.109 talk about you should have signed Ryan Shea. What, to 0:02:40.150 --> 0:02:42.670 a five-year deal I think he got? You're going to 0:02:42.730 --> 0:02:44.760 stick that on your cap when you're trying to rebuild? 0:02:45.419 --> 0:02:47.040 Forget about it. That's stupid. 0:02:47.980 --> 0:02:50.260 Dubas needs the team to bottom out. 0:02:51.260 --> 0:02:54.000 And maybe that's going to happen after, I'm pretty sure 0:02:54.020 --> 0:02:57.410 he thought it would last year, and the players double-crossed him. 0:02:58.210 --> 0:03:02.940 But now if he starts trading older guys... The veterans 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:05.960 can't bitch. The veterans can only look in the mirror. 0:03:06.430 --> 0:03:09.710 The locker room can't get angry, although I bet it 0:03:09.730 --> 0:03:14.410 will anyway. Dubas didn't need to add more old guys. 0:03:14.430 --> 0:03:16.030 He needs to ditch old guys. 0:03:17.190 --> 0:03:21.070 But he couldn't. Not after making the playoffs last year. 0:03:22.220 --> 0:03:24.740 And you know who's an odd little microcosm of what's 0:03:24.780 --> 0:03:25.600 wrong with the Penguins? 0:03:26.060 --> 0:03:30.299 It's Tommy Novak. Tommy Novak's a mediocre player. A good 0:03:30.380 --> 0:03:33.640 kind of mediocre, but he's a ham and egger. But 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.440 Geno likes playing with him. So Novak is on the 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:40.240 second line and he blocks Kendall. That right there, that's 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.200 what's wrong. And it's why the Penguins can't move forward. 0:03:43.740 --> 0:03:46.260 And like I said earlier, I was wrong about Declan Carlisle. 0:03:46.300 --> 0:03:46.880 He sucks. 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:51.710 But again, you couldn't overpay Shea on a multi-year and 0:03:51.750 --> 0:03:54.610 tie up cap and try and squeak into the playoffs. 0:03:54.670 --> 0:03:58.440 It's just not worth it. The goal should always be 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:02.600 with any team, any organization, the goal should always be 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:07.220 to build the next championship team and that process with 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:12.310 these Penguins and for Dubas, it's so far behind and 0:04:12.370 --> 0:04:17.470 that is because of the old guys. Going to talk 0:04:17.490 --> 0:04:21.430 about the college football playoff a little bit. Going to 0:04:21.470 --> 0:04:24.530 talk about sports TV shows like we talked about a 0:04:24.570 --> 0:04:27.750 little bit Last week, going to keep trying to figure 0:04:27.790 --> 0:04:30.600 out why you're mad at McCarthy. Like I said, it 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:32.920 is a crap sports time. You don't listen to me 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:36.339 because I say that. That's okay. That's the truth. Time 0:04:36.360 --> 0:05:39.800 for the big finish. And as soon as I said 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:43.260 big finish, Villarreal scored on just a terrible defensive error 0:05:43.310 --> 0:05:45.550 by Virgil van Dijk, the captain, which never happens. 0:05:46.670 --> 0:05:49.870 Yuck. Difficult to cure. What are you laughing at? 0:05:50.890 --> 0:05:53.290 Difficult to cure brought to us by the Greater Pittsburgh 0:05:53.330 --> 0:05:57.210 Community Food Bank. We got Matt Bartkoski talking hockey at 0:05:57.270 --> 0:05:58.469 the bottom of the hour. 0:05:58.490 --> 0:06:02.050 This guy's been on hold. Let's go to Paul. Paul, 0:06:02.070 --> 0:06:02.779 you're on with Double M. 0:06:04.650 --> 0:06:05.910 Super G, what's up? 0:06:06.110 --> 0:06:08.490 What up, man? Hey. 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.180 I am to the point where I don't care what 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.219 Dubas should have done. I'm looking forward to what he's 0:06:14.300 --> 0:06:17.300 about to do. Like you said, with all of that 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:21.560 roster space and draft or cap space that he's going 0:06:21.580 --> 0:06:25.339 to have. Not only that, in the next four drafts, 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:29.719 the Penguins have nine second round picks. So my question 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.060 to you is like, what's the true value of a 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.419 second round pick in the NHL? Like as far as 0:06:35.580 --> 0:06:39.040 like draft talent and what kind of weight does it hold. 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:43.090 For Your second-round picks should play in the league, but 0:06:43.130 --> 0:06:44.950 I would think the true value of having that many 0:06:45.010 --> 0:06:47.010 second-round picks would be to bunch a few together to 0:06:47.070 --> 0:06:50.370 trade up, although it's very hard to trade up in 0:06:50.390 --> 0:06:54.599 the NHL because the first-round picks, the high first-round picks 0:06:54.630 --> 0:06:57.919 are just worth so much more. There's almost no price 0:06:58.380 --> 0:07:01.520 that's worth taking for a first-round pick in the top half. 0:07:03.100 --> 0:07:05.000 That's kind of what I was thinking too, but what 0:07:05.020 --> 0:07:08.100 do you think about as far as packaging those with 0:07:08.970 --> 0:07:12.050 What do you think Carlson's trade value is right now? 0:07:13.550 --> 0:07:15.680 I think his trade value will be more near the 0:07:15.710 --> 0:07:17.960 trade deadline for a team that needs a power play 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:21.920 defenseman and perhaps lost a defenseman to injury. They may 0:07:21.940 --> 0:07:23.900 want to make that deal earlier, though, to get Brunick 0:07:23.980 --> 0:07:26.560 up here. That's the only reason Brunick's in the minors 0:07:26.620 --> 0:07:29.490 is because they want him to play top four minutes, 0:07:30.050 --> 0:07:32.130 and he can't do that in Pittsburgh with Carlson and 0:07:32.170 --> 0:07:34.470 Letang both on that right side. 0:07:34.490 --> 0:07:37.150 All right. Fair enough. 0:07:37.190 --> 0:07:37.490 Thank you. 0:07:37.690 --> 0:07:44.650 Thank you. 833-412-WXDX, the number to call. Oh, here's a 0:07:44.670 --> 0:07:45.150 good chance. 0:07:45.390 --> 0:07:45.950 Ah, blocked. 0:07:46.170 --> 0:07:50.450 Crap. 833-412-WXDX. 0:07:51.190 --> 0:07:53.130 I'm going to talk more in the next segment about 0:07:53.150 --> 0:07:56.320 the college football playoff, which they're ruining it. And it 0:07:56.380 --> 0:08:00.380 is just an example of naked greed. It is perhaps 0:08:01.100 --> 0:08:07.150 the biggest example of naked greed I remember in sports history. History, 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:11.680 which is saying something, given that the NFL does what 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.180 it does all the time. I mean, think about this. 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:16.880 The NFL is sending people into not a war zone, 0:08:16.900 --> 0:08:21.960 but it ain't good over there. And yet the fans, 0:08:22.020 --> 0:08:25.240 the teams, you know, oh, it's not near the football stadium. 0:08:25.260 --> 0:08:29.240 Yeah, what if it is? Then again, they're still playing 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:30.140 pro soccer in Ukraine. 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:30.580 Ukraine. 0:08:31.510 --> 0:08:35.820 The soccer league in Ukraine is operational, so there you go. 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.440 But seriously, you tell me if you want to call. 0:08:39.460 --> 0:08:42.220 I'm going to get to it next segment. The only 0:08:42.300 --> 0:08:47.620 good thing I see about the 2014 college football playoff 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:48.420 is that. 0:08:51.100 --> 0:08:56.220 There's more games, more money, more TV time to sell, 0:08:56.880 --> 0:09:01.130 more games to bet on for the sportsbook partners. There 0:09:01.190 --> 0:09:04.790 is nothing good about it besides that, and it destroys 0:09:04.850 --> 0:09:06.449 so much stuff. But we'll get to that in just 0:09:06.510 --> 0:09:14.740 a moment on 105.9. Here's some unusual stats about what 0:09:14.780 --> 0:09:19.319 the Steelers do offensively on third down. The Steelers drop 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:24.260 back on 87% of third downs. That's the second highest 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:28.350 pass rate among all 32 teams. They have the second 0:09:28.370 --> 0:09:33.969 worst passing offense of 32 teams on third down. They 0:09:34.030 --> 0:09:37.750 run on 13% of third downs. That's the second lowest 0:09:37.809 --> 0:09:42.790 run rate among the 32 teams. They have 75% success 0:09:43.910 --> 0:09:47.949 on those runs. That's the fourth highest success rate of 0:09:47.970 --> 0:09:53.820 the 32 teams. Now, that can be a little deceptive because, 0:09:55.260 --> 0:09:56.459 you know, it depends on distance. 0:09:57.309 --> 0:09:58.420 What are you going to do, run the ball on 0:09:58.480 --> 0:09:59.040 third and nine? 0:10:00.429 --> 0:10:02.870 But it's also worth noting that that's just what Rodgers 0:10:03.010 --> 0:10:03.850 wants to do. 0:10:04.970 --> 0:10:05.990 He wants to pass. 0:10:06.690 --> 0:10:09.150 Not necessarily to add to his stats, as some people 0:10:09.170 --> 0:10:12.420 have suggested, but because he just thinks that's the way 0:10:12.460 --> 0:10:12.760 to win. 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:16.020 He doesn't trust anybody. And this is where it reflects 0:10:16.059 --> 0:10:17.020 his narcissism. 0:10:18.740 --> 0:10:19.040 I don't know. 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:21.770 Is it a negative way? You tell me. He just 0:10:21.830 --> 0:10:26.110 thinks that he is the best option. He's not conceited. 0:10:26.150 --> 0:10:30.600 He's just convinced. 833-412-WXDX. 0:10:33.340 --> 0:10:35.480 Empty seats have been a big topic of discussion in 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:39.059 sports lately. A lot of empty seats in Los Angeles 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:42.990 for games three and four of the NLCS. Vegas Golden 0:10:43.010 --> 0:10:47.180 Knights in hockey had a sellout streak. nonstop for the 0:10:47.220 --> 0:10:49.469 first nine years in the league, but they've had a 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:51.750 lot of empty seats this year, including when the Penguins 0:10:51.790 --> 0:10:55.010 played there and I was there on Saturday. 0:10:58.590 --> 0:11:02.829 It's easy to see what's going on. The economy sucks 0:11:02.890 --> 0:11:04.840 and prices for tickets are too high and you can 0:11:04.860 --> 0:11:08.000 watch the games at home. Now, in that vein, the 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:10.160 naked greed displayed. 0:11:11.340 --> 0:11:14.360 In them going to upgrade the college football playoff to 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:22.119 24 teams, It's just incredible. No good comes from it 0:11:22.179 --> 0:11:27.059 outside of more money, more television slots, more tickets to sell, 0:11:27.740 --> 0:11:32.750 more games to bet on. It all involves money, and 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:37.810 it reflects how big-time sports are totally enthralled, enslaved by 0:11:37.830 --> 0:11:44.340 the sportsbook partnerships. I mean, ESPN is making the call 0:11:44.380 --> 0:11:47.530 on this. ESPN wants more games, so college football is 0:11:47.540 --> 0:11:50.130 going to give it to them. And you might think, 0:11:50.170 --> 0:11:54.310 what's the harm? I'll tell you the harm. Wait until 0:11:56.650 --> 0:12:02.510 Michigan plays Ohio State, the biggest rivalry in college football, 0:12:04.470 --> 0:12:07.959 and both teams rest players so they're fresh for the playoffs. 0:12:08.900 --> 0:12:12.230 Because that is going to happen. It screws up the 0:12:12.270 --> 0:12:17.450 history of the game. There's no conference championships anymore. There 0:12:17.490 --> 0:12:21.090 will not be an SEC or Big Ten conference championship. 0:12:21.450 --> 0:12:23.309 I mean, you can crown whoever has the best regular 0:12:23.370 --> 0:12:26.270 season record, but not every team plays each other. They're 0:12:26.290 --> 0:12:31.130 divided into divisions. The first-round games with the top eight 0:12:31.150 --> 0:12:33.820 getting to buy, the first-round games will be mismatches. It's 0:12:33.860 --> 0:12:37.160 not like college basketball where upsets are possible because all 0:12:37.179 --> 0:12:39.059 you need is like two or three good guys to 0:12:39.100 --> 0:12:39.680 have a good team. 0:12:41.170 --> 0:12:48.320 It'll extend the season. Oh, boy, here comes Villarreal. Oh, 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:51.920 bad pass. Thank heavens. Would have been 2-0. Any hoodles. 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:55.850 You're going to increase the length of the schedule to, what, 14, 0:12:55.850 --> 0:12:58.189 15 games? So player welfare is right out the window. 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:02.420 Four or five teams are going to make it, maybe 0:13:02.460 --> 0:13:05.600 more from the SEC and Big Ten, based on brand 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:08.500 name and not how they do. Alabama will always make 0:13:08.540 --> 0:13:11.000 it because they're Alabama. You're going to see teams get 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:15.990 in with three and four losses. College football, the one 0:13:16.010 --> 0:13:18.309 thing it had going for it was every game meant something. 0:13:18.330 --> 0:13:22.210 You had to strive for excellence. Now you can just 0:13:23.590 --> 0:13:26.309 F around, lose three games, and you get put in 0:13:26.330 --> 0:13:30.969 the middle of a crapshoot. The greed is just what 0:13:31.010 --> 0:13:38.559 bugs me. The greed is just beyond the pale. It 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.400 used to be that every game matters. Now none of 0:13:41.420 --> 0:13:43.840 them are going to matter until the playoffs. And Pitt 0:13:43.860 --> 0:13:44.599 still won't make it. 0:13:45.820 --> 0:13:49.679 Let's go to Lars. Lars, you're on with Double M. Hey, Mark. 0:13:49.900 --> 0:13:53.069 I'm having a hard time trying to understand the train 0:13:53.110 --> 0:13:55.870 of thought from Steeler fans who have licked the dirt 0:13:55.970 --> 0:13:59.720 off Tomlin's boots for so long. But it kind of 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:04.359 seems like the constant bashing on McCarthy, like I've been 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:08.490 seeing this going on since training camp, and it almost 0:14:08.500 --> 0:14:13.590 kind of feels like it's premeditated all because Tomlin's not 0:14:13.670 --> 0:14:15.150 there anymore. 0:14:16.070 --> 0:14:17.130 Let me give. 0:14:17.030 --> 0:14:18.710 You a few reasons why, Lars, and see if you 0:14:18.750 --> 0:14:19.590 agree with them, okay? 0:14:19.610 --> 0:14:21.190 All right. 0:14:21.670 --> 0:14:24.190 One is all the liberals are sad the black guy's 0:14:24.230 --> 0:14:27.660 not coaching anymore, the preeminent black coach. Worse yet, he's 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:31.620 been replaced by a fat white yinzer. And yinzers loathe 0:14:31.660 --> 0:14:34.920 their own. They want to drag them back down if 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:39.830 one makes good. The fat thing, it's a factor. 0:14:40.190 --> 0:14:42.290 I see fat jokes all over the place when the 0:14:42.330 --> 0:14:44.650 Steelers struggle or McCarthy makes a bad decision. 0:14:48.350 --> 0:14:50.270 I thought it was going to be this feel-good story. 0:14:50.290 --> 0:14:53.060 It has a percentage of toxicity that. 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:54.340 I can't believe. Don't you agree? 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:54.440 Yeah. 0:14:56.220 --> 0:14:57.500 Oh, yeah, I do. 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:01.060 But, you know, and it's also a shame, too, because 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:04.990 I'm behind McCarthy's corner, like, also considering the fact that 0:15:05.020 --> 0:15:08.430 he's a local guy. And if it would have been 0:15:08.590 --> 0:15:11.630 Shula or Sheilhaus that was coaching, I would be behind 0:15:11.670 --> 0:15:16.410 their corner, too, because unlike some Steeler fans, I'm ready 0:15:16.450 --> 0:15:17.470 for change, man. 0:15:17.490 --> 0:15:18.110 Oh, me too. 0:15:19.860 --> 0:15:22.940 What makes it even worse is Tomlin would have for 0:15:22.980 --> 0:15:24.940 sure lost that game on Sunday. 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:26.620 He for sure would have lost the game. 0:15:26.660 --> 0:15:30.190 He would not have the offensive acumen, neither him and 0:15:30.230 --> 0:15:34.150 especially not whoever his Bobo offensive coordinator would have been, 0:15:34.170 --> 0:15:37.470 because they've all been crap since Bruce Arians. Tomlin would 0:15:37.490 --> 0:15:39.880 have lost the game, and people are mad at McCarthy 0:15:40.100 --> 0:15:40.600 because he. 0:15:40.540 --> 0:15:41.500 Won, in a way. 0:15:43.460 --> 0:15:47.000 Yeah, it's insane. But the thing that I don't understand, though, 0:15:47.020 --> 0:15:51.250 is that Tomlin has also won games where he has 0:15:51.380 --> 0:15:56.240 coached pretty bad. And it's like, what's the difference? Since 0:15:56.260 --> 0:15:59.359 McCarthy has won this game, even though he kind of 0:15:59.380 --> 0:16:01.060 made a couple slip-up plays. 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:06.700 There's no denying McCarthy made errors in clock management at 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:08.420 the end of the fourth quarter. There's no denying that. 0:16:08.470 --> 0:16:13.200 There's also no denying... that he and Rodgers figured it out, 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.260 that they were the two most responsible people for rebounding 0:16:16.780 --> 0:16:20.210 from a 16-3 fourth-quarter deficit, and that's the part that's 0:16:20.250 --> 0:16:23.270 been ignored, and that is just as aggravating as the 0:16:23.310 --> 0:16:27.170 placement of blame and the lingering of blame after a friggin' win. 0:16:27.230 --> 0:16:28.200 Thank you for the call, Lars. 0:16:28.250 --> 0:16:33.440 Up next, Hockey Talk with Matt Bartkoski of Sportsnet Pittsburgh, 105.9. 2-0, 0:16:33.500 --> 0:16:35.720 this is awful. Kind of like the Penguins, who looked 0:16:35.740 --> 0:16:36.350 like Wile E. 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:39.590 Coyote on their road trip, except they're obviously not fast 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.150 enough to catch anything, let alone the Roadrunner. Joining me now, 0:16:44.310 --> 0:16:47.950 former NHL defenseman, you see him on Sportsnet Pittsburgh, it's 0:16:48.030 --> 0:16:48.990 Matt Bartkoski. 0:16:49.250 --> 0:16:51.730 Matt, are the Penguins going splat, or is it too 0:16:51.790 --> 0:16:52.590 early to say that? 0:16:56.310 --> 0:17:00.730 I think that they're probably... one of the many splats 0:17:00.770 --> 0:17:02.650 they'll have this season. I don't think they're going to 0:17:02.710 --> 0:17:05.949 totally roll over and die, but it does appear that 0:17:06.010 --> 0:17:08.690 when they play these better teams, like we got to remember, 0:17:08.730 --> 0:17:11.820 I mean, apart from Chicago, although Chicago in that game, 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.380 they did just get Bedard back. So the team's naturally 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:17.260 going to have a boost from that. They did play 0:17:17.380 --> 0:17:20.200 some of the higher end teams in the league. I 0:17:20.220 --> 0:17:23.600 don't think anybody expected them this year to be ready 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:25.179 to face that kind of talent. 0:17:25.290 --> 0:17:28.710 So it's understandable. They're not going to win those games. 0:17:29.290 --> 0:17:32.790 But in the fashion that they lost them was pretty discouraging. 0:17:32.890 --> 0:17:36.889 So they're not going to roll over and die. 0:17:36.970 --> 0:17:39.930 But it's it's, you know, because just since it's so early, 0:17:40.020 --> 0:17:43.720 but they're yeah, I don't I think there's going to 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:45.720 be some stretches like this throughout the season. 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.720 Well, to me, Bart, it's how slow they are. I 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.280 don't think they're getting outworked. I just think they're getting 0:17:52.300 --> 0:17:53.480 outskated every night. 0:17:54.100 --> 0:17:57.310 And on this road trip, I could see signs that 0:17:58.270 --> 0:18:01.330 they know they're bad, and that makes it worse. They 0:18:01.369 --> 0:18:03.170 have one emotion, and it's frustration. 0:18:04.410 --> 0:18:06.310 Yeah, there's a lot of frustration in that. A lot 0:18:06.330 --> 0:18:06.550 of that. 0:18:06.590 --> 0:18:08.409 I mean, I'm sure you saw the same thing out 0:18:08.450 --> 0:18:11.889 of Sid that I saw him, you know, whether it's 0:18:13.430 --> 0:18:16.060 last night, just the stuff in front of the net 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:17.940 that he had, which is fine. Like, I like it 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.040 when he does that stuff, but he normally only does 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:25.020 it when he's frustrated. Or the, you know, not shouting match, 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:26.540 but arguments he's having on the bench. 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:28.959 He's clearly frustrated, and I think the whole team is. 0:18:29.740 --> 0:18:33.430 A lot of it, though, is just, they are, I 0:18:34.330 --> 0:18:37.429 think they are slow, but a lot of it's self-inflicted 0:18:37.510 --> 0:18:42.620 from their turnovers. They just did not manage the puck 0:18:42.660 --> 0:18:45.240 well over this trip. And when you're having to play 0:18:45.260 --> 0:18:49.369 defense for a majority of the game, not only is 0:18:49.430 --> 0:18:51.590 bad stuff going to happen, but it's just naturally going 0:18:51.609 --> 0:18:53.710 to slow down your game. And then you've got guys 0:18:53.770 --> 0:18:57.580 standing around missing assignments and not getting to their spots. 0:18:57.670 --> 0:19:01.260 So it's a little combination of everything. But, yeah, at 0:19:01.300 --> 0:19:03.580 the end of the day, they are just generally a 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:04.280 little bit slower. 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.480 Should Dubas start trading veterans for future? 0:19:07.900 --> 0:19:11.280 Elliot Friedman in Canada is reporting that that's on the table. 0:19:11.859 --> 0:19:14.020 And how far should he go if it comes to that? 0:19:15.460 --> 0:19:17.919 Yeah, I mean, I would. I don't know why he 0:19:17.940 --> 0:19:21.180 didn't do it last year or this summer. I mean, 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:22.640 he said he was going to do it last year. 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:26.810 He didn't end up doing it. So, yeah, I don't 0:19:26.850 --> 0:19:31.030 know what you're going to get at this point in 0:19:31.070 --> 0:19:31.710 the season. 0:19:31.990 --> 0:19:32.730 You know, normally. 0:19:33.900 --> 0:19:37.100 after Christmas and then teams start panicking around the trade deadline, 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:41.080 you might get a little more for players. Um, but yeah, 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:44.870 I'm sure he's at this point, at least he should 0:19:44.910 --> 0:19:48.669 have made the league know that, you know, everybody's available again. 0:19:48.710 --> 0:19:51.190 And, and, uh, and just see what you can get 0:19:51.250 --> 0:19:52.550 and start sniffing teams out. 0:19:53.210 --> 0:19:56.060 Bart, I've always understood the concept of giving the core 0:19:56.119 --> 0:19:59.540 three a chance to win more, but it lasted too 0:19:59.580 --> 0:20:02.560 long and they didn't win more. It's okay if it works, 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:04.530 but it didn't. They haven't won a playoff series since 2018. 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:11.439 Yeah, I mean, it's... yeah, it's, it's bittersweet, isn't it? 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:15.100 Cause they've been so good for so long. Um, they've 0:20:15.140 --> 0:20:18.510 done amazing things for not only the team, but the 0:20:18.590 --> 0:20:21.699 city and, and, and, you know, it's just, it's become 0:20:21.770 --> 0:20:24.250 what we've, what we're used to. It's just, you know, 0:20:24.270 --> 0:20:30.070 I think it's probably past, past its time of, of, uh, 0:20:30.150 --> 0:20:33.490 time to move on and, and find the next wave. Um, 0:20:34.150 --> 0:20:37.689 now saying that, I mean, it's a difficult thing when 0:20:37.710 --> 0:20:40.580 you're in the driver's seat and, trying to figure out 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:43.899 a way to to get past it and uh and 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:46.600 break it up or or sell the guys off you 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:50.219 know because when you have no trade clauses and everything 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:52.040 involved i mean there's a lot that goes into that 0:20:52.100 --> 0:20:54.960 right so it's not the easiest thing in the world 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:58.070 to do but um you know you can you got 0:20:58.090 --> 0:21:01.630 to look at also that uh you know malkin's leading 0:21:01.650 --> 0:21:04.629 the team in goals right now uh said over the 0:21:04.710 --> 0:21:06.830 trip he's got he got three over the trip and 0:21:07.450 --> 0:21:10.330 and and played pretty well so there's still two of 0:21:10.350 --> 0:21:13.590 the better players on the team, which is more concerning 0:21:13.630 --> 0:21:16.210 to me than, you know, how old they are and 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:16.990 having them there. 0:21:17.060 --> 0:21:17.389 It's it's. 0:21:17.450 --> 0:21:17.630 Yeah. 0:21:17.670 --> 0:21:20.900 But Bart, if you had those three, if you had 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:23.699 those three and a bunch of young guys trying to 0:21:24.020 --> 0:21:26.040 provide the energy and the spark, I think it would 0:21:26.060 --> 0:21:27.280 be better than what you have now. 0:21:27.700 --> 0:21:31.040 This team just feels like old guys punching a clock. 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:35.480 Yeah, no, it definitely feels like that. And that's kind 0:21:35.500 --> 0:21:36.399 of what I was getting at. 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:39.250 I mean, you bring in a guy like a, cause Manco, 0:21:39.290 --> 0:21:42.270 who's not old, but older, I don't understand that move. 0:21:42.890 --> 0:21:44.850 Um, cause he's one of the, one of the slower 0:21:44.890 --> 0:21:45.690 players out there. 0:21:46.550 --> 0:21:48.780 Um, you know, you have some older ones too, that 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:50.900 have been here and Russ and Raquel, I would shop 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:53.639 them around. Um, but then, you know, you have an 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:56.659 older guy in Carlson who has arguably been their bestie, 0:21:56.780 --> 0:21:59.360 at least most consistent. I mean, we know how he 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:02.740 plays and he has his moments and, you know, it 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:05.920 has never been the most responsible player defensively, but makes 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:06.939 up for it in offense. 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:09.419 So, Um, that that's what I'm getting at. 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:11.260 And the more thing I'm concerned with, cause there are 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:14.220 some younger guys, there are definitely some younger guys in 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:16.870 the system and some that they've already signed. 0:22:17.350 --> 0:22:19.310 And, you know, I'm looking at this team night in 0:22:19.369 --> 0:22:19.830 and night. 0:22:19.790 --> 0:22:23.750 Out and Gino's, uh, leading the way. 0:22:23.650 --> 0:22:25.210 With goals and Sid's up there. 0:22:25.330 --> 0:22:28.200 So, you know, I'm kind of like, where, when's this 0:22:28.260 --> 0:22:29.859 next wave going to come and where is it? 0:22:31.660 --> 0:22:34.239 Well, maybe it's being blocked. Maybe it should have been here. 0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:36.139 I mean, I'm not a big fan. I don't think 0:22:36.180 --> 0:22:38.200 McGrody and Hayes are going to turn the team around, 0:22:38.220 --> 0:22:41.020 but I think they provide energy. And I see Kendall 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:44.160 on the third line getting third-line minutes because Geno has 0:22:44.180 --> 0:22:45.750 to play with Novak and Chinnikoff. 0:22:45.790 --> 0:22:48.449 I mean, it's one thing to have these guys. It's 0:22:48.510 --> 0:22:50.570 another to build everything around their comfort. 0:22:52.230 --> 0:22:55.710 Yeah, no, no, I agree with that. I mean, we'll 0:22:55.730 --> 0:22:56.810 start McGrody and Hayes. 0:22:56.850 --> 0:22:59.050 I don't think they're going to– they might not be 0:22:59.090 --> 0:23:02.730 world beaters, but you don't really– I mean, maybe with 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:04.980 majority more, cause he's had more of a chance, but 0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:06.780 you don't really know. So that's what I mean with 0:23:06.820 --> 0:23:09.840 bringing in some of the other guys that they've brought in, like, Hey, 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:11.520 why not give them a chance? I mean, if you're 0:23:11.540 --> 0:23:15.020 going to, I don't, it's kind of, it's difficult to 0:23:15.060 --> 0:23:17.540 figure out the thought process of how the team's being 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:20.520 constructed right now. Cause on one hand, you know, you 0:23:21.380 --> 0:23:25.050 want to rebuild, uh, well, you have those three contracts 0:23:25.090 --> 0:23:27.590 holding you back, uh, the, the, the big three, and 0:23:27.609 --> 0:23:29.970 then you got Kellen Russ, but you look at the 0:23:30.030 --> 0:23:35.419 salary cap and they're at, decent numbers. So, uh, do 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:37.240 you really need to move them on to be able 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:39.360 to get those guys in, or can you just not 0:23:39.420 --> 0:23:41.920 sign these guys? You are in the off season, let 0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:45.220 the young kids play a little more. And then, you know, Hey, 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:48.200