1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Welle on Pettybock carc Detalkstation, intrust it dot com. If 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: you have a business, I know you have computers, you 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: need interest I to help you out with any complications, problems, 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: best practices, the man for the job and his team, 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: Dave hat Or from Interest to It joining the program 6 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: every Friday, and welcome back, Dave. It's a pleasure having 7 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: you on. I'd love this segment, so informative it is. 8 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: And a happy new year to you and the crew 9 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: at intrust. 10 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 2: Brian, always good to be here. I'm happy to be back. 11 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 3: Happy new year to you and Joe and all your listeners, 12 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 3: and hopefully we'll continue to do some good out there 13 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six. 14 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, if you're talking the truth that you talk, 15 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: it's all good as long as people pay attention to it, 16 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: and you know real quick. I know wal Martin Kroger 17 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: now scanning your ID before you get alcohol, and we 18 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: can get to that. I just want to shout out 19 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: I saw this article and I printed out specifically to 20 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: bring it up to you because I know you hate 21 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: Google Chrome and you never use it and recommend people 22 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: don't use it. Security researchers apparently uncovered some Chrome extensions 23 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: that have been stealing user names, passwords, card details, personal information, cookies, 24 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: at et cetera from people's browsing behavior. That's a giant 25 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: red flag. Now they say they remove these extensions from 26 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: the availability, but the damage apparently has been done for 27 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 1: a lot of people. Password stealing, that's a real, real, 28 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: real problem and concern. 29 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: It is. 30 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 3: And the cookies are an even bigger problem potentially because 31 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 3: once you log into a website. One of the main 32 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 3: reasons why cookies were created, Brian so, cookie is a 33 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 3: small file that gets stored on your device, your phone, 34 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 3: your computer, whatever, as you interact with a website, not 35 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 3: only so it can track you, but also once you've 36 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 3: logged in and it's verified your identity, it tells it 37 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 3: creates a cookie so that you don't have to keep 38 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 3: logging in over note, so that cookie keeps getting sent 39 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 3: back to the website to say, this is Brian Thomas, 40 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 3: Does that make sense? 41 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: It does, so, I especially delete mind. 42 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 3: Whether that's a I encourage folks to do that as well. 43 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 3: But I'll get to that. So, first off, this isn't 44 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: necessarily a Chrome problem. I think the main reason they 45 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 3: counted it in terms of Chrome has Chrome is still 46 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 3: the number one browser out there. You know, any browser, 47 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 3: any modern popular browser, Chrome, Firefox, Brave, Edge, whatever, allows 48 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 3: you to use extensions, which are essentially software you can 49 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: plug into the browser to extend its capability, something like 50 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 3: EFF's privacy Brancher which helps tamp down cookies, or Honey 51 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: which is a thing that helps you find coupons. 52 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 2: Right. 53 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 3: A lot of people will use these extensions because it 54 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 3: creates additional capabilities above and beyond what the browser can 55 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 3: do on its own. So extensions and the in and 56 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 3: of their own right are not a bad thing, and 57 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 3: in fact, it can be a really good thing. You know, 58 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 3: if you have a password manager, usually that password manager 59 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 3: will have a browser extension, so when you go to 60 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 3: log into a website, it will recognize the website interface 61 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 3: with the password manager through the extension and allow you 62 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 3: to enter your credentials. 63 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: Right. 64 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: So extensions on their own aren't bad. And again, you 65 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: can get extensions for just about every browser. Not every 66 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 3: extension is available on every browser, but the real There's 67 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 3: two key points here. First off, it goes back to 68 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 3: something you and I have discussed now for over ten years. 69 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,119 Speaker 3: If you just go out and download some software right 70 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 3: just because it's in the Apple Store or the Google Store, 71 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 3: or you found a good review online or something and 72 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 3: you download it, whether it's a browser extension, an app 73 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 3: for your phone, or whatever. Unless it's coming from a credible, 74 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 3: reputable source, and unless you have thoroughly vetted it, you 75 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 3: could very well find yourself in a case like this, 76 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 3: whether it's a bogus app collecting your data or that's 77 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: basically spyware, or an extension like this, if it is 78 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 3: not thoroughly vetted, if you can't trust it, if it's 79 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 3: not coming from a known, reputable source, you run the 80 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: risk of having this at best a lot of tracking 81 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 3: and surveillance. At worst, it's essentially spyware running in your computer, 82 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 3: stealing your insensitive data like passwords and so forth. So 83 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 3: the real the short answer is, while extensions aren't bad, 84 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 3: you should have the least number of them possible, just 85 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 3: like apps, and you need to do your homework and 86 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 3: vet them carefully. I mean, I have several browser extensions, 87 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 3: but they're all privacy related. They all come from sources 88 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 3: idea trust and have vetted. So yeah, if you have 89 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 3: extensions installed in Chrome or any browser, you should take 90 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: a look at this article, and you should be very 91 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 3: judicious and how you download these things, install them and 92 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 3: use them because it could put you at significant risk. 93 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: Right. And the article which was reported on Fox News 94 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: Kurt Newtsom, if you've got it, will you add that 95 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: to your LinkedIn page? So people, because they give you 96 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: specific instructions on how to check for this and how 97 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: to get rid of it and reconfigure your Chrome browser 98 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: if you're stupid enough to use it. I suppose Dave 99 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: to make sure that you're safe, So we add that one. Yes, wonderful. 100 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 3: I will throw that in the list because it's people 101 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 3: need to understand this in general, and then these specific 102 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 3: issues for sure. 103 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely, let's pause. I thank you for indulging me 104 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: on that one, because that was a giant red flag. 105 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: And I know Chrome is a thorn in your side, 106 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: so hold on, we'll come back. We'll talk about cool 107 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: gadgets and the FBI, common frauds and scams, and maybe 108 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: a word or two on why you're getting carted at 109 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: Kroger for buy and eye when alcohol when they clearly 110 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: can tell you're sixty years old. First word for plumb tight, 111 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: plumbing and plumbing done. 112 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: Right. 113 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: The folks at plumb tight outstanding they are. That's why 114 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: they enjoy a plus with a better business beer, because 115 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: they know you deserve better and deliver on better. Here 116 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: if fifty five kre CD talk station. Happy Friday, Tech Friday, 117 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: Dave Hatter. Thanks to intrust it, dot coms Day's company. 118 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: Accord to the business Career, they're the best in the 119 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: business when it comes to your business computer needs. Dave Hatter, 120 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: Let's talk about cool gadgets real quick. I know you 121 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: brought up the idea about Walmartin and Kerve being forced 122 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: to check your IDs, and I've been carded at Kroger 123 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: buying beer, which always cracks me up because I clearly 124 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: am over the age of twenty one. But it's a 125 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: new law that forces to. 126 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 3: Do that, right, There's a new law in Utah that's 127 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 3: forcing basically anyone that's selling alcohol to do this. Here locally, 128 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 3: some retailers have started doing it. 129 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: You know. My issue with it. 130 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 3: Really boils down to the fact that, ultimately, do you 131 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: trust these retailers, especially some small mom and pop shop 132 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 3: if they have to actually scan your ID to store 133 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 3: that data in a way that won't be leaked stolen 134 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 3: or you know, elsewise breached somehow. So yeah, I'm I'm 135 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 3: not a big fan of this. I can tell you 136 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 3: here locally, I would not buy booze or anything else 137 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 3: that they want me to scan my ID from that, 138 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 3: I would go elsewhere. Apparently, again, it's a state wide 139 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 3: law in Utah. 140 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: I don't know. 141 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 3: What the rationale is for why they think they need 142 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 3: this law. Again, you can just show someone your ID 143 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 3: and they can eyeball it, and you know, look at 144 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 3: a calendar on the wall or whatever where you see 145 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: the signs you must be this age that the idea 146 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 3: that we're going to give that kind of sensitive data 147 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 3: like a driver's license number to just any old random place, 148 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 3: totally against it. And one last thing, Brian, you know 149 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 3: you mentioned de leach your cookies kind of closing out 150 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 3: that last segment. 151 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 2: I agree that's a good idea. 152 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 3: In most browsers, you can go in and you can 153 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 3: manually if you go into like the privacy and security 154 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 3: settings to leach your cookies. You can also set your 155 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 3: browser up so that we'll just automatically delete them every 156 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: time it closes. Now, that will cause some inconvenience. You'll 157 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 3: have to log in the websites again and that sort 158 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 3: of thing, because those cookies get deleted. 159 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 2: But it's a good idea to get rid of them. 160 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: And then, brother, it's really easy to do too. If 161 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: I can figure it out, anybody can. All Right, a 162 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: consumer electronics show apparently it's a huge, huge event. What 163 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: do you eyeball on at the computer electronics show? That's cool, 164 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: Dave Hatter? 165 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 3: So, yeah, the Computer Electronics Show happens this time each 166 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 3: year out in Vegas. It is a big event. You 167 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 3: usually get a huge turnout for this. It runs the 168 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 3: whole week and you know, all the major vendors making 169 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 3: anything tech related typically show up. 170 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: That's consumer oriented, right again. 171 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 3: This is this is all stuff that's focused on consumers 172 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 3: as opposed to more industrial enterprise type stuff. But increasingly, 173 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 3: as everything becomes digital and as everything has software embedded 174 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 3: in it, you now are in a situation where there's 175 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 3: a lot of overlap between the two. You know, Brian, 176 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 3: you know when you say cool stuff, you know there's 177 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 3: some new TV technology out there. 178 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: Micro RGB TVs. 179 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 3: TVs obviously keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger in 180 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 3: terms of their screens, while the actual you know, width 181 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 3: and depth gets smaller and smaller, they get lighter, the 182 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 3: quality of the screens continue to go up. Yeah, it'll 183 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 3: be interesting to see because you know, I know some 184 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 3: folks now that have like one hundred inch TVs relatively 185 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 3: inexpensive and have amazing pictures, right, So the wall. 186 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: Space to put something like that, I mean, like in 187 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: our living room, for example, the biggest TV that you 188 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,559 Speaker 1: can fit in there is like, what a fifty inch TV. 189 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: That's it. I don't have any other space. I'm sure 190 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: as hell wouldn't want a hundred inch thing hanging over 191 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: my fireplace or whatever. So I'm waiting for the technology 192 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: that has a high resolution four K, five K whatever. 193 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: That's sort of an old school you know, pulled down 194 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: kind of like we used to use with the slide 195 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: projector kind of deal. 196 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 2: It's funny you mentioned that, Brian. 197 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 3: I can remember back in the day there was this 198 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 3: really high end stereo store up in Columbus and they 199 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 3: had like a screen that came down like a projector 200 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 3: screen or a movie screen that came down out of 201 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: the ceiling, you know, with a projector. It was like 202 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 3: insanely expensive at the time dollars. And yeah, the picture 203 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 3: quality was nowhere near as good as what you're getting 204 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 3: out of these monern TVs. So it'll be interesting to 205 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: see where that goes. Foldable phones is another big thing. 206 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 3: I don't really understand the attraction of this. I mean, 207 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 3: I understand why if you could have a larger device 208 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 3: that could fold up, you know, potentially it would be 209 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 3: more convenient to work on. You know, the issue I 210 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 3: always run into with people who are so bound to 211 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 3: their phones is, you know, even if the thing could 212 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 3: unfold to twice the size, or maybe even three times 213 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 3: the size, it still doesn't have like a full size 214 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 3: key Yeah, you can use on screen keyboard. Maybe I'm 215 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 3: gonna since I typically have a computer with me all 216 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 3: the time. Anyway, you know, I don't want to work 217 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: on a phone. I don't want to. I want to 218 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 3: have a full sized keyboard. I want to have a 219 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 3: full sized screen or screen. So, you know, the foldable 220 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 3: phone thing, I get it to an extent, but you 221 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 3: know that's that's sort of taken off of course. AI. 222 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 3: You can't have a conversation now without AI in it. 223 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 3: Robots and the Internet of Things. My issue with all 224 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 3: these robots, Brian, You know, first off, I'm not convinced 225 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: that most of them are capable of doing anywhere near 226 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 3: what the hype claims they can do, especially out in 227 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 3: the wild. And then secondarily, think about this for a second. 228 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 3: You and I have been discussing the Internet of Things 229 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 3: and the privacy and security problems they create for a 230 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 3: long time. You know, anything that's got software in it, 231 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 3: anything that's quote smart, quote unquote is vulnerable. 232 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 2: And we see this over and over. 233 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 3: Again, whether it's AI toys, whether it's ring doorbells, nests, thermostats, 234 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 3: pick pick your thing. You know, in most cases, the 235 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 3: vendor isn't providing software updates after a certain period of time, 236 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 3: just automatically putting you at risk. People don't know how 237 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 3: to configure this stuff. And now you're potentially going to 238 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 3: have some kind of robot that's got microphones and cameras 239 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 3: in it doing things moving around inside your place. I mean, 240 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 3: you know, we've talked before about like the rumba, where 241 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 3: somehow people photos of people on the toilet were uploaded 242 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 3: to the Internet thanks to their rumba. So I understand 243 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 3: the cool factor of some of this stuff, but I 244 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 3: can tell you, for me, there is not a chance 245 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 3: I would have any of this stuff in my home, 246 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 3: simply because it's incredibly immature and it is a giant 247 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 3: privacy and security dumpster fire. For the most part, most 248 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 3: of this stuff is coming from China. We've seen our 249 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 3: own government warned now about backdoors and software backdoors in 250 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 3: the power grid through solar panels and so forth. Almre 251 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 3: Lucky from ANDROL, the founder of ANDROL, talked recently about 252 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 3: how you've seen, you know, chips the size of a 253 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 3: grain of sand that potentially have back doors that would 254 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 3: allow someone to if nothing else, surveil you, but potentially 255 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 3: taking the device over. So you know, self driving cars 256 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 3: is on this list. 257 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 2: Again. 258 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 3: I see all the stats about self driving cars and 259 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 3: how they're better than humans and so forth. I'm just 260 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 3: going to tell you, as a guy who's written a 261 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 3: lot of software and created a lot of bugs, none 262 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 3: of which were ever intention I'm not riding in any 263 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 3: fully autonomous car anytime in the near future, not only 264 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 3: because I just simply don't trust the tech because it 265 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 3: could be taken over remote Yeah, that's been well documented. 266 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm this well, we have protesters and webinized automobiles themselves, 267 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: and if some evil actor out there Chinese Communist Party 268 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: wants to take over a vehicle and it's got some 269 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: backdoor they could do that. Let's put an exclamation point 270 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: on that. Let's move. Let's pause for a when we'll 271 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: bring Dave back and talk about some common frauds and scams. 272 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: The FBI is alerting us too. That's why we have 273 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: Dave Hatter and you have you find Dave Hatter for 274 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: your business computer needs. Over to the fraud, the FBI 275 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: dot gov website announced some common frauds and scams twenty 276 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: twenty six. These fraud and scam ideas aren't going to 277 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: go away, or that's why we have you day. Let's 278 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: talk about some of these what's on the hit list. 279 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, Unfortunately, they're not going to go away, Brian. In fact, 280 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 3: it seems like these things are only increasing. So first off, 281 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 3: books can go to FBI dot gov slash scams. Secondarily, 282 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 3: and I've mentioned it many many times over the years, 283 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 3: the FBI has the Internet Crime Complaint Center IC three 284 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 3: dot gov literally Indigo Charlie number three dot gov where 285 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 3: you can go and report fraud and scams and also 286 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 3: a lot of the same information gets shared there. So 287 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 3: these are good resources, especially if you have maybe older 288 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 3: parents who aren't as hip to these kind of things, 289 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 3: or maybe younger kids who aren't as hip, and you 290 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 3: want to kind of make them aware of what's going 291 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 3: on out there. They've got several short videos you can 292 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 3: watch to kind of explain this stuff. They've got some 293 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 3: longer form videos you can watch where they really get 294 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 3: into the details of some of these things. And then 295 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 3: there's just a long list, Like on the page I'm 296 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 3: on now, when I scroll down, there's numerous rows of scams, 297 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 3: and then they go in and explain these things. Adoption fraud, 298 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 3: business and investment fraud, business, email compromise, something we've talked 299 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 3: about many, many, many, many many times. Charity and disaster fraud, 300 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 3: consumer fraud schemes, crypto investment fraud, cryptocurrency, job scams, elder fraud, 301 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 3: election crime and security, healthcare fraud, holiday scams, money mules, 302 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 3: operation level up, ransomware, romance scams, sextortion, skimming, spoofing and phishing, 303 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 3: tech support scams, and timeshare frauds. So each one of 304 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 3: these is something you can drill down into and learn 305 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 3: more about that particular type of scam. You know, one 306 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 3: of the most common scams we've seen since we've been 307 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 3: talking on the air about this stuff, minus tech support 308 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 3: scams where you know, you get an email, you might 309 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 3: get a phone call, it might be that you somehow 310 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 3: visited a bogus website and a message pops up telling 311 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 3: you you've got a virus or something. So they go 312 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 3: into this here right, and they say, for example, they may 313 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 3: impersonate any type of personnel appearing to be to offer 314 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 3: support or assistance for the following and they list a 315 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 3: long line of things how the scam works. You know, 316 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 3: they tell you there's some sort of issue with your device, 317 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 3: your account. They try to reach out to you a 318 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 3: number ways, including unsolicited phone calls, internet pop up windows, websites, 319 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 3: are online ads, financial institutions. Once they get your attention, 320 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 3: they'll tell you they can fix the issue right, and 321 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 3: then they want access to your device. Sometimes they just 322 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 3: want you to send the money, and in most cases 323 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 3: they want to get access to your device because once 324 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 3: they have access to your device, then they can potentially 325 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 3: take you down all kinds of other rabbit holes, including 326 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 3: installing back doors, you know, keystroke loggers, that sort of 327 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 3: thing on your device so they can capture all your 328 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 3: keystrokes and hit your bank account at some later point. 329 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 2: So it's a real problem. 330 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 3: You should never, never, never, under any circumstances, give a 331 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 3: person who has reached out to you in some unsolicited way. 332 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 3: You know, as a business, this is what we do 333 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 3: for customers. But they're calling us and asking for help, 334 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 3: exactly right. We have a relationship with us, they know us. 335 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 3: We have ways to verify they're who they say they are, 336 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 3: and vice versa. If someone tells you just out of 337 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 3: the blue you have a problem with your device, guaranteed 338 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 3: scam and they talk about all this stuff here. So again, 339 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 3: this is a great resource FBI dot gov slash scams, 340 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 3: I see three dot gov to go learn about the 341 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 3: kind of scams that are out there. They're always updating 342 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 3: this stuff. It's pretty easy to understand, and again it's 343 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 3: a great way to help you avoid the coming a 344 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 3: victim of these sort of scams. And then you know, 345 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 3: your family members, your friends and so forth, point him 346 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 3: to this site. I'll link to it so that you know, 347 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 3: folks can understand what's happening out there, get some free 348 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 3: useful education and hopefully be aware and avoid these things. 349 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: Check them out LinkedIn dot com you just type in 350 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: Dave Hat or you'll find him. He's got all this 351 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: important information posted on his LinkedIn page. Dave can't thank 352 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: you enough for joining us on the Morning Show again 353 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: for another year and providing all this valuable information keeping 354 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: us out of trouble as long as we heed your advice. 355 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: Smart thing to do, folks, and you don't need a 356 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: tinfoil hat to believe what Dave's do. 357 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 3: You know, Brian, it's funny along many years ago people 358 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 3: be like, oh, that's crazy, that could never happen, or 359 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 3: that you know now that's not possible, and you know, 360 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 3: people think that you're crazy man, Yeah, you're one of 361 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 3: those tenfoil hatters. I'm like, well, you know, that's an 362 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 3: appropriate name in my case, but people are slowly seeing 363 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 3: that perhaps. 364 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 2: Maybe I'm not as crazy in it. That's right, you know, 365 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: y stuff is real. 366 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: Going back to my comments on conspiracy theorists, which we 367 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: now call pattern observers, everybody thinks they're batcrab crazy at 368 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: the outset, and you just wait a little bit in time, 369 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: and oh, I guess they were right all along. Hmm, 370 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: maybe I'll listen to them next time. Well, don't wait 371 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: for that listen to Dave Now podcast available if you 372 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: have Carsey dot com again LinkedIn dot com, find Dave 373 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: Hatter and get all the breeding materials. Dave, have a 374 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: fantastic weekend, my friend. Thanks again to your company interest 375 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: it dot com for sponsor in the segment, and I'll 376 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: look forward to another edition of this segment next Friday. 377 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: Always my pleasure. I'll look forward to chatting with you. 378 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: Then it's a new year. Probably have a