1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's Radio. 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: Well, I think it is pretty fair to say that 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: this trip is just about completed. I'm looking at video 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 2: of the space capsule. It is slowly, very slowly floating 5 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: towards the Pacific Ocean. Three large white and red striped 6 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 2: parachutes are essentially guiding it to a I think a 7 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: picture perfect landing in the sunshine off the coast of California. 8 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: Everything went from what I could see, smashingly well according 9 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 2: to plan, no problems whatsoever. And as they say, in 10 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: a few moments, it will be in the water and 11 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: we will be able to say that Artemis Teo's mission 12 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 2: is complete. Is It's an amazing just an amazing engineering venture. 13 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: That is incredible to think that this spaceship was able 14 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 2: to leave the Earth ten days ago, circumnavigate the Moon, 15 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 2: and basically come back with what will be I think 16 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 2: a pinpoint landing. So we'll keep an eye on that 17 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: for you. Certainly, as the activity continues, and again they're 18 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 2: just getting closer and closer. This is the softest landing 19 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: I think that you're going to see. Anyway, we have 20 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 2: a great show for you lined up separate, and apart 21 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: from that, I'm so thankful nothing went wrong. We are 22 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: four excellent guests coming up in the first hour, no 23 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: phone calls necessary, and then we will talk at nine 24 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: o'clock about really the arrival of spring in Boston today. 25 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 2: I was seventy one degrees where I was, and there 26 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: were bicycles and motorists and pedestrians. So we're going to 27 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:12,279 Speaker 2: talk at nine o'clock about how to avoid collisions and problems. 28 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: We'll deal with that at nine o'clock, and then we'll 29 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: take another hour as the peace talks convene in Islamaban, Pakistan. 30 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: Vice President Vance, if he's not on the ground yet, 31 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: he will be there about seven or eight hours ahead 32 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: of us, so I suspect that it's close to dawn there, 33 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 2: maybe even after dawn, and we'll try to get an 34 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: update on that for you, and also talk about whether 35 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 2: or not maybe the Iranians are going to try to 36 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: play President Trump and Vice President Vance. I think that 37 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 2: would be to the disadvantage in the long run, but 38 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: they do have a track record. And then at the 39 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: twenty hours, we're going to talk about dogs and shelter 40 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: dogs and your favorite dog, and end the week on 41 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: I think a very very positive note. But my first 42 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: guest is a gentleman by the name of Nick Neanakus. Nick, 43 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 2: I'm pretty good with Greek names. How are you to? 44 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 2: And I hope I hit that one out of the ballpark. 45 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 3: You mailed it like you like you are at a 46 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 3: Greek Orthodox church. And what a great, great description you 47 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 3: gave of Artemis. You know, coming back down to Earth 48 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 3: really makes us all proud to be Americans tonight. 49 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: I'm with you on that, Nick. That is that is 50 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: for sure, and it is a it's a visual it's 51 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 2: a visual story. But like anything else, if you broadcast 52 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: a baseball game, you sometimes can do that on radio 53 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: as well. But what we want to talk with you 54 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: about is tipping culture. We've had a lot of conversations 55 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: on this talk show over the years, and more in 56 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: recent years, everywhere you go, whether it's a coffee shop 57 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 2: or an ice cream parlor, a restaurant, which of course 58 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: you understand, everyone's looking for tips. And have we reached 59 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: a breaking point? You know? 60 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 3: It sure feels that way. And I think as the 61 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 3: economy gets tighter, and you know, inflation continues to rear 62 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 3: its ugly head and people are going to take a 63 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 3: closer look at what they're spending money on. And when 64 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,239 Speaker 3: people are feeling like they're being pushed around or taking 65 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: advantage of with tips, that's really when you start getting 66 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 3: a lot of blowback. And I feel like we're at 67 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 3: that point right now. 68 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 2: Now you're with a You're the founder and CEO of 69 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 2: a company called the Franchise Consulting Company's CD of me 70 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 2: what that is? I think by the name, I can 71 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: figure it out, but I'd always I always defer to 72 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 2: the experts. 73 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 3: Sure, So it's one of nine companies that I own 74 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 3: in the franchise services space. We create franchise brands so 75 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 3: people will come to us with their ideas their existing 76 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 3: business will turn them into a franchise or do the 77 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 3: legal marketing operations work. We also broker a huge amount 78 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 3: of transactions between buyers and through I've got about two 79 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 3: hundred offices in the US and then sixteen countries and 80 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 3: work with hundreds of different franchise brands as well as 81 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 3: a trade show in a magazine. So it's a horizontally 82 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: integrated group of companies that is sort of all things franchise. 83 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: So are your franchise ease I'm sure it's a variety 84 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: of companies. Are they telling you, hey, this tipping deal 85 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: is starting to hurt my business or are you relying 86 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: upon these surveys that I think I've seen which would 87 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: suggest that the American public really is about done with tipping. Y. 88 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, So we work with a lot of different constituents. 89 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,799 Speaker 3: So we work with franchisors, people that own the franchise systems. 90 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 3: We work with franchisees, people who buy the franchise and 91 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 3: operate the franchises, and then we interact with a lot 92 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 3: of people at our trade shows that are coming in. 93 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 3: So we have a lot of different data points. And 94 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 3: in the QSR space, the quick serve restaurant space, the 95 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 3: fast food space, the coffee space, and so on. You know, 96 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 3: I'm hearing a lot about titflation, and I've been hearing 97 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 3: it for a while, and you know it really it's 98 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 3: several years that this has been going on. And the 99 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 3: genesis of all of this was actually Starbucks when they 100 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 3: were in a big fight with their unions, and one 101 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 3: of the things that they wanted, remember the tip jar 102 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 3: on the counterska, So the barisas wanted to have that 103 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 3: institutionalized and put as part of the bill. Starbucks said, okay, 104 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 3: now the point of sale systems that are used toast 105 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 3: Square Clover thought this was a marvelous idea because now 106 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 3: they could charge their three and a half percent on 107 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 3: the tip as well as on the tote bill. And 108 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: then the employers thought, hey, this isn't a terrible idea 109 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: because you know, under the Fair Labored Standards Act, we 110 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 3: can shift some of the burden of you know, payments 111 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: over to tips. And so you've got these three different 112 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 3: groups that have, like I say, conspired against the average 113 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 3: A marriage would. 114 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: Be an anti trust violation. We kind of have an 115 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: anti trust violation ahead. 116 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 3: But they are certainly motivated to do this. And then 117 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: you know, you put the loaded gun and so to speak, 118 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 3: in the hands of a sixteen year old kid who thinks, hey, 119 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 3: if I give him a nasty stare and say, you know, 120 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 3: how was the service, would you give me a tip? 121 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 3: And do that, you know, one hundred times a day 122 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, that's some real money that starts accruing. 123 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: You know, It's funny. I six months ago was in 124 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 2: a kind of a higher end ice cream parlor with 125 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: my grandson and bought a couple of ice cream cones 126 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: and they were expensive. You know, this was like, I 127 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: don't know, it was eighteen dollars or something like that. 128 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 2: And they refused to take a credit card. They said, 129 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: we don't take credit cards. I said really, I said, 130 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 2: well okay, I pulled a twenty out and the woman said, no, 131 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: we can't take your cash. And I said, what am 132 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 2: I supposed to do? She said, well, we have a 133 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,679 Speaker 2: cash and atm over there you can put your credit 134 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 2: card in and get some clean cash. Have you ever 135 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: heard of thing cash? Clean? Obviously they would get it 136 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 2: like five percent or something out of the ATM. So 137 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 2: I finally came up with they wouldn't take credit cards, 138 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 2: it wouldn't take cash. I finally cobbled together eighteen dollars or 139 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: whatever the bill was, gave her, you know, the exact 140 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: change actually, and then she's kind of looking at me 141 00:08:53,240 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 2: and I said, do you accept a tip with dirty cash? 142 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: Oh? 143 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, what have got? It was the 144 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: I've never been back to this high end ice cream spot, 145 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: and you know it was and I'm not going to 146 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 2: tell you which one it is over the year because 147 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 2: that wouldn't be fair. But I hope other people choose 148 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: uh to do the same thing. It was so inconvenient 149 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 2: and almost embarrassing to to realize. 150 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, the spirit of the spirit of Whitey Bulger is 151 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 3: strong in the ice cream parlor business. 152 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 4: Huh. 153 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, well Whitey's was was was from the area, so 154 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: may have Yeah, no, yeah it was. It was not. 155 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 2: It turned what should have been a fun, easy experience 156 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 2: with my grandson into something that was awkward and unnecessarily awkward. 157 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: What I do is if I go in to grab 158 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 2: a coffee at Dunkin Donuts, I always look at the 159 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 2: server and I'm on the wrong side of fifty. So 160 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: I say, do you do senior citizen discount? And most 161 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: always they say yes, you know, And then when when 162 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: they come to give me the change back, I said, 163 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: you're going to get the senior citizen discount, and I 164 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 2: point to the tip jar, and I'm trying to make 165 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: senior citizens realize that that you know, these these these 166 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: young people should say they should give the senior citizen 167 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: discount automatically. You should see the smiles and faces I 168 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 2: get when they realize that they know only got a tip, 169 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 2: but they get the senior citizen discount. As also in 170 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: addition to the. 171 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 4: Tip well, and I think that's that's the. 172 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 3: Real victim of all of this tip flation stuff, you know. 173 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 3: And I'm on the same side of fifty as you. 174 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 3: And remember when we were kids. You know, if you 175 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 3: ever waited tables, I know I did. You know as 176 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 3: a Greek kid growing up in New Jersey, that was 177 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 3: you know, you go work in a restaurant. Sure, and 178 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 3: if you work. 179 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 2: The mafia go ahead, just carrying along them. 180 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 3: But the Greek, Yeah, the Greek mob controlling all the 181 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 3: eggs and bacon up and down the ninety five. But 182 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 3: you know, if you worked, if you worked hard, you know, 183 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 3: if you took good care of the client, then you 184 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 3: were going to get a better tip. And now what's 185 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 3: going on is that American work ethos I think is 186 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 3: being impacted because the way tips work now is it's 187 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 3: be gone right, it's it's spread across everybody that's working 188 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 3: in the restaurant. Yes, so the team somebody to do more, 189 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 3: that's right. 190 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 2: So tipping the tea, not the person or the individual 191 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: that gave you great service. How can folks get in 192 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 2: touch with you if they if they have some interest 193 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: in franchise consulting your company. That's uh, I think that's 194 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: something that you might like to promote. 195 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 3: Sure, well, you know, I'll tell you if if they 196 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 3: text the word franchise to two six seven eight six, 197 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 3: that's two six seven eighty six, the word franchise, I 198 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 3: will send them a copy of my book The Franchise MBA, 199 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 3: which is the number one best seller on Amazon, free 200 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: of charge for being a loyal Daan fan, and or 201 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 3: they can buy it on Amazon for sixteen ninety five 202 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 3: that I'd rather send them out for free. My office 203 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 3: will send out as many as people. Just text the 204 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 3: word franchise to two six seven eighty six. We'd love 205 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 3: to send you a copy of the book. 206 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 2: I'm going to write it down right at two six 207 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 2: seven eight six, Okay, Rob, write that down because people 208 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 2: are going to be calling in all that long on 209 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 2: that one. Hey, I appreciate it that that's a great 210 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:28,239 Speaker 2: a great tip there, I say, a great suggestion. Nick Neanakis, 211 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 2: thank you so much. I really enjoyed the conversation. 212 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 5: I really get you. 213 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: Thank you. 214 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 4: Ye. 215 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,719 Speaker 2: We'll get back going to talk about the Tough Ruck Marathon. 216 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 2: Got to be very careful with the pronunciations tonight. The 217 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: Tough Ruck Marathon, a twenty six point two mile rock 218 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: march where military members, first responders, and civilians carry weighted 219 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 2: rucksacks to honor foreign service members and raise funds from 220 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 2: military families. Back with Mike Sweeney, the director of military 221 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: Engagement for Tough Ruck right after. 222 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: This Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio. 223 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: Well to welcome Mike Sweeney, director of Military Engagement for 224 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 2: Tough Rock. He's in an Afghani Afghanistan veteran, recently retired 225 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 2: from the military after nearly two decades, and he is 226 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 2: a Tough Rock finisher on nine times. Mike Sway and 227 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 2: welcome to Night Side. 228 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 4: How are you, sir, I'm doing great. Thanks for having 229 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 4: me on, Dan, Thanks. 230 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 2: Very much for your service to the country. I've heard 231 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: of Tough Rock when I spent a little time in 232 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: the military a long time ago. I don't think tough 233 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: Rocks were around. What's the origin of this so called 234 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 2: tough I shouldn't say so called the Tough Rock Marathon. 235 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 4: Well, the origin of it came from the big guys 236 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 4: were at the original Tough Ruckers that's twenty thirteen at 237 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 4: the bombing. These are soldiers that were in full uniform 238 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 4: rocksacks doing the marathon and when they get done, when 239 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 4: the bombing happ they'd finished their marathon and then once 240 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 4: the bombing happened, many of them jumped into action helping people, 241 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 4: pilling down barriers, doing life saving first aid on some 242 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 4: of the victims. And it's really just said some of 243 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 4: the it's really just inspired us and carried on this 244 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 4: many years later. So we do a rock march up 245 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 4: and we started up we started to have been conquered 246 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 4: now we and we carry the names of the phone 247 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 4: on the back for twenty six point two miles and 248 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 4: we get the Boston Marathon Finishers Medal, the first ones 249 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 4: to get it for every year. 250 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: So you started Concord, and do you end in Le 251 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: Sainton or where do you go? And would you're not 252 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: on the marathon course and I know that you're doing 253 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 2: this on Sunday, the day before the marathon. 254 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 4: Correct, Yeah, So we're up in Concord. We start at 255 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 4: the Fence School and we end at the Fence School, 256 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 4: but we go through Concord and Lexington and through twenty 257 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 4: six point two miles through that through some of the 258 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 4: park up there. It's such a great opportunity and that's 259 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 4: one of the things that anyone can come out that day. 260 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 4: If you want to go to Toughrock dot org check 261 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 4: out the maps on there. It tells you every way. 262 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 4: And because I one thing I want to point out 263 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 4: is that it really does mean a lot when people 264 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 4: come out and cheer us on. 265 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: Now. I know that you're not looking for more participants 266 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: or runners, but obviously this is a fundraiser which is 267 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 2: intended to honor fallen service members and raise funds for 268 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 2: military families. How many participants will you have? And you 269 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 2: do you folks march You're not racing and running it. 270 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 2: You're you're a You're in a march, as I understand. 271 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 4: It only march. It's not necessarily a formation, but it's 272 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 4: a little more. It's definitely slower than a marathon, much 273 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 4: more deliberate, much more. But it's yeah, your people in, 274 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 4: but we don't. We don't march in a formation, but it, 275 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 4: you know, feels like that sometimes, but definitely we go 276 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 4: through all that. And it's the as you mentioned, Military 277 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 4: Friends Foundation is the charity for Tough Rouck and it 278 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 4: helps military and first responder families with direct assistance when 279 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 4: they need it. So that's just really the essence of 280 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 4: it at the end of the day, honoring the fall 281 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 4: and providing some help for people who need it. 282 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: So in the in the backpack, people have rocks. What's 283 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 2: the normal weight of additional poundage people carry as they 284 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 2: pound the pavement? 285 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 4: Well, you can go anywhere from it's fifteen. Now we've 286 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 4: created a new one over fifty pounds as an extreme division, 287 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 4: but anywhere from fifteen to over fifty pounds in your 288 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 4: rock you can carry on and we get you get 289 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 4: your rucksack weight in in the beginning of the race 290 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 4: and at the beginning of the ruck and at the 291 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 4: end of the rock. And so what they is it 292 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 4: isn't it's it's definitely uh, it's definitely a lot to carry. 293 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 4: But again that's what I was saying. When people are 294 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 4: cheering you on, it feels and because of the cause 295 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 4: and because of what we're doing, it feels sometimes it 296 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 4: feels like it's a little lighter than it is. 297 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: So what time do you start on Sunday? What time 298 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: and where people can can check the website to get 299 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 2: you know, spots to watch, But what what time do 300 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 2: you step off and how many how many marchers do 301 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: you have on Sunday, There'll. 302 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 4: Be a thousand and that's what we so we get 303 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 4: and that's one of the things that I want to 304 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 4: thank the BAA, the Boston It's like association. The BAA 305 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 4: has been so generous because in keeping with the tradition 306 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 4: from the twenty thirteen, I mean, not only do they 307 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 4: remember that sacrifice in the work from the original Tough Suckers, 308 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 4: the people who are there that day, like they give 309 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 4: us a thousand marathon finishers medals. So that's what we 310 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 4: cap it at every gifts. We have a thousand people 311 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 4: who are going to step off at seven am at 312 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 4: Defend School and you know, keep going all day. 313 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 2: And my understanding is that you folks do these again, 314 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 2: I'm going to call them marches, so people understand in 315 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: several areas of the country, this is not just a one. 316 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 4: And done well for Tough uck this is it. I 317 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 4: think people do them all around and they end up 318 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,959 Speaker 4: like people train all year and I and there's different 319 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,959 Speaker 4: there's different ones in different places, but for tough Ruck, 320 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 4: this is the one we do here annually. But you 321 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 4: see people training all year. We do virtual rucks and 322 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 4: sometimes the tough ruck will to your point A sorry 323 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 4: is some will be virtual rucks shadow rucks overseas with 324 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 4: the military as well. 325 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 2: Oh okay, so this is this is the big cahuna 326 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 2: for your organizations, the big fundraiser. What do you hope 327 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 2: to raise this year? 328 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 4: Well, this year they're already over not done, but they 329 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 4: posted there over a million dollars this year. Reason it's 330 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 4: gonna it's just an incredible successful thing because people come 331 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 4: out and as I mentioned before, the the the what 332 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 4: makes it different than your you know, your regular kind 333 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 4: of tough mutter or something people go out for or 334 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 4: some race. The culture is really the people out there. 335 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 4: They're cheering each other on. They're all laughing and giving 336 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 4: each other, you know, a little bit of a push. 337 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 4: It's something that's what It's insane that people can come 338 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 4: out and cheer us on. I think they'll not only 339 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 4: be good for the people who are rocking, but I 340 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 4: think they'll get something out of it and see the 341 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 4: families and see the people out there, probably come away 342 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 4: with something themselves. 343 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: Okay, last thing, if people again they're not going to 344 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 2: be able to participate, if they'd like to donate and 345 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 2: support the cause, what's what's the easiest way to do that? 346 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 4: Thanks again. Yeah, that's tough rock dot org to you, 347 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 4: and so I'll stow that out so people, but it's 348 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 4: not it's t o U g h r U c 349 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 4: K dot org. 350 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 2: Perfect, Okay, Mike, best of luck. It sounds like everybody's 351 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 2: going to get a workout, get a great workout, both 352 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 2: participants and spectators, and hopefully have some great weather. I 353 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: think the weather forecast looks pretty good for Sunday. 354 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: With Dan Ray on Boston's News Radio. 355 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 2: Again, we apologize for that intrusion at the end of 356 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 2: that last interview. We were taken a bit by surprise. Uh. 357 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 2: And again bear in mind that the Artemis crew is 358 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 2: the space capsule is bobbing up and down in the water. 359 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 2: It looks like a pretty nice moment. I'm sure that 360 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 2: they are quite relaxed and relieved inside. But that story 361 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: is concluded, they'll be they will be getting out of 362 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 2: that spacecraft and they will end up on a ship 363 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 2: where they will be evaluated by medical by doctors, nurses, whatever, 364 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 2: and they will eventually fly back, I think, to Houston 365 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: to be debriefed about this very successful Artemist too trip 366 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 2: We're hoping also that the National Adopted Shelter Pitt Day, 367 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 2: which is coming up on April thirtieth, is a huge success. 368 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 2: My guess is Chris Rotunda. She's the founder of Jordan's Way. Chris, 369 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 2: I must tell you I'm not exactly sure of what 370 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 2: Jordan's Way is, so maybe you can let's start off 371 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,479 Speaker 2: by telling us what Jordan's Way is, and then we 372 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 2: can talk about this effort. I'm a huge supporter of 373 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 2: shelter dogs. My daughter has a shelter dog that she's 374 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 2: had now for about two years. My best friend in 375 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 2: the world mustered the Corky, so he just a great, 376 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: great dog, and there were so many great shelter dogs. 377 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 2: So let's start off with explain what Jordan's Way is. 378 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 2: Christopher town To welcome to Night's Side. 379 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 5: Absolutely, thank you so much for having me. So Jordan's 380 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 5: Way I actually started in twenty nineteen after my dog 381 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 5: Jordan passed away of cancer. I actually adopted her from 382 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 5: a shelter about ten years earlier two thousand and nine, 383 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 5: started the first four years of her life on a shelter, 384 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 5: which kind of killed me. But after she passed away 385 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,719 Speaker 5: twenty nineteen, I always thought there's something more I can 386 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 5: do for animal shelters, and I was in real estate. 387 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 5: I actually pull houses, and I started going to shelters 388 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 5: locally in Tampa Bay and doing live feeds, pre recorded 389 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 5: videos and doing a bunch of stuff to get dogs adopted. 390 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 5: And one shelter asked me along the way to do 391 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 5: a fundraiser and it turned into a fifty state tour, 392 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 5: which is what I do now. I actually go to 393 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 5: three hundred shelters the year, doing these large, three hour 394 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 5: Facebook live streams where it's like I would say, it's 395 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 5: a mixture of Jerry Lewis telethon a Nickelodeon episode in 396 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 5: Fear Factor. 397 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 2: This has become not an avocation. This now is your 398 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 2: vocation in memory of your shelter dog, Jordan. 399 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 4: Absolutely what type of a shelter dog. 400 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 2: Was Jordan to mix? Or my daughter got a fabulous 401 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 2: Corgi who is as I say when I say my 402 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 2: best friend, I mean if I'm in the same room 403 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 2: with that guy, he just wants to play, and he 404 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 2: wants attention and just the kindness, kindness human being that 405 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 2: I know, and I consider him to be a human being. 406 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 2: And I'm sure a lot of people feel that way 407 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 2: about their dogs, and there are a lot of dogs 408 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 2: that are in shelters around the country and you're searching 409 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: for you're doing what I guess as a national scavenger 410 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 2: hunt to find America's most forgotten shelter dog. I don't 411 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 2: quite understand that aspect of it, but apparently have you 412 00:22:55,320 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 2: already identified this dog that's been waiting for fifteen years. No, 413 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: So we have. 414 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 5: Actually been challenged by what they call the escape room 415 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 5: designers across the country that drop clues every day on 416 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 5: our Facebook page and our Geordans Way Patriot page. So 417 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,719 Speaker 5: we are on a scavenger hut working with fifteen thousand 418 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 5: rescues and shelter organizations to find this particular dog that's 419 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 5: been in a shelter for fifteen years. So it's been 420 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 5: a crazy first ten days of the month, but we 421 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 5: have thirty days to find it by April thirtieth, and 422 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,479 Speaker 5: if we find the dog, the dog gets adopted. Whoever 423 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 5: figures out all the clues from the Jordansway Patriot page 424 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 5: actually received ten thousand dollars, so it has been fun. 425 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 5: We've had like probably over a thousand submissions of shelters 426 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 5: that are like your dog's not here, but we have 427 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 5: dogs that have been here six, seven, eight years and 428 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 5: it's been a wildly eye opening kind of experience, right 429 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 5: for the first ten days. 430 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 2: So, just so I understand in Jordan, has the dog 431 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 2: who has spent the longest time in a shelter anywhere 432 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 2: in the United States? Has that canine already been identified 433 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 2: and now the clues are basically being dropped so people 434 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 2: can figure out where that dog is located. It. 435 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, so the shelter knows obviously, the escape room designers 436 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 5: who are doing the puzzle, now I do not know, 437 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 5: and I followers do not know. 438 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 2: That's fair, okay, But by the end of the month, 439 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 2: hopefully someone will put the clues together. Is there one 440 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 2: clue per day or is it more than one clue 441 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 2: per day? 442 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 5: No, so every day at seven am are now George 443 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 5: by Patrion page It actually there's a clue that gets 444 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 5: dropped at seven am and the interaction is just wild 445 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 5: because it can go it's only different directions. The clues 446 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 5: are extremely hard. 447 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, have they figured out the region of the 448 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 2: country where this dog? Have they have they limited? Have 449 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 2: they you know, worked it down to the region or 450 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 2: to the state or is it still frankly quite quite 451 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 2: an open question. 452 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 5: So actually, after ten days, we were eliminated eleven states. Alaska, Hawaii, Florida, 453 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 5: the Dakotas, the Carolinas, and West Virginia have been eliminated. 454 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 5: I think if I said California, by California, the California 455 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 5: watch in an Oregon. So we eliminated eleven states so far. 456 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 2: So all the new England states are still in play. Yep. Absolutely, Okay, Okay, 457 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 2: And and I guess, uh, there's a personality I've heard 458 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 2: of him before and never had the pleasure to meet him. 459 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 2: Dog whose name is Dog. He's a bounty hunter and 460 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 2: and he's he's working with you in this pursuit. 461 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 5: Absolutely, So I actually got a little creative because the 462 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 5: escape room designers that are putting this together are actually 463 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 5: like almost like the originals, and they have they have 464 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 5: like the toughest record around when it comes to like 465 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 5: not cracking their codes. So I was like, yeah, I 466 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 5: was like, Okay, I have a mutual friend that knows 467 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 5: Dog's a bounty hunter. I'm like, let's see how good 468 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 5: he is. He used to chay hugely. Let's see what 469 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 5: he can do with this, so he agreed to jump 470 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 5: on it and work with me, and he's been doing 471 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 5: it all over his social media channels as well. 472 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 2: Okay, to with people's appetite here, this is I've never 473 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 2: talked to you before. This is a spontaneous interview, and 474 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 2: I don't make my questions. I make him up as 475 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 2: they go along. There were a couple of clues that 476 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 2: have already been uh spread out or released which maybe 477 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 2: helped people eliminate a state or two that you could 478 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 2: share with us, just to give folks an idea about 479 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 2: the difficulty of the clues, because what I want to 480 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 2: have is some of my listeners maybe join this effort, 481 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 2: uh and I know that they You want people to 482 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 2: raise some funds and all of that. Can you share 483 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 2: a couple of clues that have already been that have 484 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 2: already been disseminated. 485 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 5: Absolutely. 486 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: So. 487 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 5: We actually had a clue that came out yesterday that 488 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 5: was a red cardinal and it had an ex through 489 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 5: the cardinal and it was supposed to signify either Ohio. 490 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 5: It could have been Ohio being the same bird Missouri. 491 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 2: Right. 492 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 5: Absolutely, that was one of the other ones. And then 493 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 5: the people were also going back saying way a minute 494 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 5: to Saint Louis Cardinals. So like, that's what the Missouri too. 495 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 2: Simon, Okay, well you could also, if I'm not mistaken, 496 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 2: Stanford University. That's right, that's the Cardinals, if I'm not mistaken, 497 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 2: or the color cards. So so what what did that 498 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 2: clue produce? 499 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 5: So that's actually where we came up with. I can't 500 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 5: remember if it was. It's something because it comes with 501 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 5: a picture. The clue every day comes with a picture 502 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 5: and then it has like three little clues underneath it. 503 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 5: And I believe that was the one clue, if I'm 504 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 5: not mistaken, I took out. I believe it was the 505 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 5: da codas, but I could be wrong. I can't remember why. 506 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 5: It was maybe the direction of which the cardinal was facing, 507 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 5: and they were saying like like that. And then there's 508 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 5: something else that they had to day before that which 509 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 5: I never heard of. It was called the hexadecimal cipher. 510 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 2: Tell us what what the clue led to? 511 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 5: So I actually used that clue. I'm not gonna lie. 512 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 5: Actually I used to bt on that one had no idea. 513 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 5: What I was looking for. 514 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 2: Has to be some sort of a shape of of 515 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 2: of an area or something is that. 516 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, so it actually the per actually spelt out no 517 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 5: if it was no North or North New or something 518 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 5: like that. It took out the Carolinas in Dakotas. 519 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, no, no, okay. 520 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like yeah, when you decipher it out, it 521 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 5: was just like it's wild, like it's like, all right, so. 522 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,959 Speaker 2: How can people how can people contribute? How can they participate? 523 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 2: Let's let's let's make the the the information about participation 524 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 2: or contribution a little easier than the clues. Go ahead. 525 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 5: So to actually participate, you will go to our Facebook 526 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 5: page or our website jordanswait tour dot com. There will 527 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 5: be a pop up that comes up and they'll say 528 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 5: join the hunts. It'll be a picture of me, one 529 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 5: of the Escape Room designers and Dog the bounty hunter, 530 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 5: and they'll say join the hunt. You click the link 531 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 5: and it takes your right to the George Way Patrion 532 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 5: page and like every day, you're gonna notification if you 533 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 5: join that at seven am and it's a new clue 534 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 5: and you get to like, you know, because we have 535 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 5: over five hundred participants in the first ten days now 536 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 5: that are talking every day on our Patriot page. Every 537 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 5: time a clue gets dropped, I just get hit with 538 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 5: all these comments. 539 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 2: Okay, and that last question, does it cost to participate 540 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 2: or are you look at the contributions? What can we 541 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 2: do to help you? 542 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 5: So with the Patreon page, it costs, and you just 543 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 5: put your number like you do. A dollar a month, 544 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 5: five dollars a month. But yeah, it's an axercy that 545 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 5: you want to choose. 546 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's only one month, so. 547 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 5: That's all. 548 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 2: Whatever. Well, look, Chris, thanks very very much. We've explained 549 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 2: a lot. I hope we haven't confused people totally. But 550 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 2: it's a great cause. And as a matter of fact, 551 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 2: as a result of you doing this, I'm going to 552 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 2: spend an hour tonight at eleven o'clock East Coast time. 553 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 2: My show runs from midnight till runs from eight o'clock 554 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 2: until midnight, and we're going to talk about people's favorite 555 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 2: sheltered dogs, their dogs. We're going to spend an hour 556 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 2: just talking about dogs and the joy of owning a dog. 557 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 2: I shouldn't say owning the dog, because really the dog 558 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 2: owns the owner. Shared the jual of the companionship and 559 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 2: the friendship of dogs, simple as that, Chris, I love 560 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 2: the conversation. I congratulate you on doing this. It sounds 561 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 2: to me like it's a great cause and I'm hoping 562 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 2: some people will check it out. All they have to 563 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 2: do is go to Jordan's Way j O R D 564 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 2: A N S W A Y tour t O U 565 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 2: R dot. It's a dot dot com, not a dog 566 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,239 Speaker 2: dot com dot com. Okay, great, Thank you very much, 567 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 2: Chrisma Ton to appreciate it. 568 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 5: Thank you so much. I appreciate you. 569 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 4: Thank you. 570 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 2: You're very welcome. We come back. We're going to talk 571 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 2: about a very serious topic, and that is nude artificial 572 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 2: intelligence generated deep fakes increasingly becoming a problem in Massachusetts schools, 573 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 2: particularly high schools, with a total lack of accountability. This 574 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 2: is a serious topic. Going to talk with Marianna Simmos. 575 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 2: She's the Enterprise education reporter for the Boston Globes. Great 576 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 2: Device team focused on investigating inequities in the education system. 577 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 2: This is an inequity that we want to eliminate. We 578 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 2: do not want deep fake photos theoretically of young girls 579 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 2: and teenage girls faces fixed to naked bodies. This is 580 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 2: an incredible development and if your kids are involved in it, 581 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 2: you need to tell them. This is this is this 582 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 2: is an area you don't want to go. We're coming 583 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 2: back on night Side. 584 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's News Radio. 585 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 2: Delighted to welcome Marianna Simmo's. I hope I pronounce your 586 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 2: last name correctly, Marianna, Is that am I close? 587 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: Yes? 588 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 6: Yes, that was perfect man. 589 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 4: Thank you? 590 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 6: How are you? 591 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 2: I'm doing great? And this is a great story. I 592 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 2: actually read this in the Globe. I think it was 593 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 2: in I read Globes during the week at different times. 594 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 2: I think this was in today's edition print edition, but 595 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken. Correct. 596 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 6: It came out yesterday in print and online. 597 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 2: Okay, fine, then I read it yesterday because I sometimes 598 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 2: go back and read the paper from the day before. 599 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 2: That's why I wasn't quite sure. You're an enterprise education 600 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 2: reporter for the Boston Globes. Great Divide team focused on 601 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 2: investigating inequities and education system. This is not an inequity. 602 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 2: This is an abomination. I think basically, high school kids 603 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 2: take head shots, you know, pictures of their female classmates, 604 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 2: and they then attach those head shots onto AI generated 605 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 2: deep fake nudes. And this is this is horrible. This 606 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 2: is the sort of stuff that artificial intelligence should not 607 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 2: be used for it tell us about it, and what 608 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 2: apparently from your article which I did read, the schools 609 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 2: have been less than anxious to call people on the 610 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 2: carpet here. 611 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 6: Right, That's right, it's really scary, Dan. I mean, for 612 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 6: as little as four ninety nine, a teenager can just 613 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 6: upload this photo of their class, you know, be it 614 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 6: like a profile picture that they find online, and then 615 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 6: they can instantly generate the pornographic image. And you're right, 616 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 6: the schools aren't doing much about it. I think there 617 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 6: just isn't enough accountability right now. A lot of the 618 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 6: school policies that we looked at, they just aren't reflecting 619 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 6: this issue on there. People are not taking this into 620 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 6: consideration or thinking that it's a problem, and so they're 621 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 6: just not alerting the kids about it. 622 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 2: How long. I know AI is new and it's emerging 623 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 2: and god knows where it's going to go, but how 624 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 2: long has this sort of stuff been happening, particularly in 625 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 2: high schools? 626 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 4: Right? 627 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 6: I Mean that's a good question. This kind of thing 628 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 6: isn't new, it's just the format that's new. So for 629 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 6: a long time there's been an issue in schools where 630 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 6: kids will send images to one another, you know, this 631 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 6: kind of thing that they call sexting, where they just 632 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 6: send these kinds of things all the time. However, now 633 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 6: we have a bigger complicator, which is AI right, because 634 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 6: now you can just create fake images and it's gotten. 635 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 6: It's like spiraling out of control. And so I think 636 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,720 Speaker 6: that's part of what helps the schools kind of sleep 637 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 6: this under the rug is they're saying, well, this is 638 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 6: a new technology. We don't really have a handle on 639 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 6: it yet, and so we can't really plan around it 640 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 6: or create policies around it because we, you know, have 641 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 6: no jurisdiction around this. So that's the part that's scary 642 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 6: is now there's this new technology that is bringing it 643 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 6: to the next level. 644 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, the sexting thing was a few years ago when 645 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 2: I know there was a congressman from New York who 646 00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 2: got involved in that and it cost him a lot 647 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 2: in terms of his reputation. So the sex thing's thing. 648 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 2: There were high school students who would you know, ask 649 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 2: someone to send a very personal picture let's put it 650 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 2: like that, and then they would show to their friends 651 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 2: and say, look what I got from so and so. 652 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 2: So that's not we're talking about here. We're talking about 653 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 2: a just some for fifteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen year old 654 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 2: girl who is never engaged in anything like this, but 655 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 2: maybe she has a picture in a school yearbook as 656 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,839 Speaker 2: a member of whatever a team, and they're able then 657 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 2: to just clip the headshot, if you will, and then 658 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 2: attach it to what is a generic nude woman, and 659 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 2: the schools have to jump schools have to jump on this, 660 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 2: I mean this. 661 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, you're right, You're right, Yeah, absolutely, And I. 662 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 2: Know you talk to different superintendents without I think people 663 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 2: should go read the article because it's really important. Nude 664 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 2: AI generated deep fakes of destroying students' lives. But generally, 665 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 2: when you've talked to these school superintendents, it sounds to 666 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 2: me from reading your story that they're not taking it 667 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 2: seriously at all. 668 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 6: Generally, yeah, most of them aren't. So I reviewed one 669 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 6: hundred and thirteen school district policies that are available through 670 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 6: the Massachusetts Association of School Committees, and only nine of 671 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 6: those school districts mentioned AI generated sexual harassment in the 672 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 6: policy handbooks. So clearly the schools aren't talking about it 673 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 6: much with the students. And I also went around to 674 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 6: some high schools in Massachusetts, and I just started asking kids, 675 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 6: you know, I would approach them and their parents and 676 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 6: they were on their way out from school, and I 677 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 6: would ask them questions about what they thought about AI, 678 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 6: and some of them just offered up information on this 679 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 6: and said, you know, I'm really worried about it because 680 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 6: this happened to my classmate. And so that's when I 681 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 6: started realizing that this was running rampant. 682 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 5: Really well. 683 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 2: Great, great job in this. It sounds to me like 684 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 2: a lot of the schools have a policy if we 685 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 2: don't acknowledge it copy happening here, which is talk about 686 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 2: a head in the sand approach, classic head in the 687 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 2: sand approach. Marianna, thanks for doing this. You know, my 688 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 2: kids are well out of high school at this point, 689 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 2: but you're doing a great service for young girls, for 690 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 2: girls in high school, but also the families of those girls, 691 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 2: because this sort of thing can really stigmatize and hurt, 692 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 2: and there's nothing positive about what you're trying to draw 693 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 2: the draw attention to Marianna. Thanks very much. Keep us 694 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 2: posting on it. Maybe we can do a longer version 695 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 2: and talk to some parents on the show. We could 696 00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 2: do an hour some night. What do you think about that. 697 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 4: That's an interesting idea. 698 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 6: You know, there are some parents that have talked to 699 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 6: me and they said that they feel like they're talking 700 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 6: to the void, that no one's listening to them, So 701 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,919 Speaker 6: it is important to get their voices heard. 702 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 2: We have a big microphone, and we have a show, 703 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 2: and I'm going to have my producer get back in 704 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 2: touch and we'll try to do something of this in 705 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 2: the not too distant future, I mean like maybe next week. Okay, 706 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 2: thanks Mary, and I really enjoyed talking with you tonight. 707 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 6: Thanks so much. It was great chatting with you. I 708 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:27,720 Speaker 6: hope you have a good night. 709 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,399 Speaker 2: You too, in a great weekend. When we come back, 710 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 2: we're going to talk about the warm weather. Spring arrived today. 711 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 2: As far as I was concerned, it was very nice, 712 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 2: seventy one degrees on my car thermometer. But I'll tell 713 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 2: you there were a lot of people riding bikes this 714 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 2: afternoon and they weren't really paying attention. I had three incidents. 715 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 2: I will let you know about it, and I want 716 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 2: to warn everybody please be careful this weekend. There's going 717 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 2: to be a lot of people out, a lot of kids, 718 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 2: a lot of animals, and a lot of people walking 719 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 2: and also on bikes, and you don't want to have 720 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 2: anyone as a hoodo on a man of your car. 721 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,280 Speaker 2: We're coming back on nightside.