WEBVTT - 11-11-25 Sloan with Seth Walsh 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:01.720 You don't want to be an American. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:07.200 Scott flown back on seven hundred ww first snowfall yesterday. 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:09.840 But if you're in the city of Cincinnati and you 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:12.800 went to the new and highly publicized snowplow tracker website, 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:17.520 it was not working, it wasn't up. Why well, he's 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:19.800 I would call him mister Plow. He just ran a 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:22.720 very successful re election campaign and he wanted to be 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.120 council member. Seth Walsh. Congratulations. By the way, I'm glad 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:27.840 you got your seat back or retained your seat. 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:31.080 I guess I should say thanks, Scott, I appreciate it. 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:34.480 This morning, Yeah, you too. We talked a lot about transportation. 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:38.080 I saw your you know, your campaign ads featured snow 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:41.080 removal issues. It's one of the big big things for people. 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:43.640 Obviously they felt made that connection, being November and all that. 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:46.360 Uh So, let's go back to this now. We know 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:48.680 the headaches and heartbreak we had this time last year, 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:50.599 or maybe a little bit later earlier than last year, 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:52.760 but two weeks ago the city I think it was 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:54.520 two weeks ago, we had this, you know, this whole 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:57.800 crowdsourcing thing, and we're having a contest to come up 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.200 with a better way to get the information about plows working. 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.040 And we've got these investments and we've instructed all the 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:05.720 plow drivers and workers how to use these tablets and 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:07.160 we put them in the plows and you can see 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:09.000 if it's coming down your road or where they are, 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:11.520 and if you uh, if they're missing you, you can 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:15.319 somehow send a message back to Central Command, the High Command. 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:17.280 We'll get a plow to you. We'll get your plowed out. 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:19.880 We did all this. It snowed yesterday and it wasn't 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:20.760 on Why. 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:24.600 Well, I think some bl answer Scott is there weren't 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.640 snow clouds out there yesterday. The ground was pretty warm, 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:30.600 so snow wasn't sticking. They did a lot of pre 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:34.480 treatment for the streets and you know it resulted in 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:38.960 you know, pretty safe clean streets very quickly yesterday. But 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:41.920 I think there's a fair there's a fair question ye there. 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:43.800 You know, why why are we not including when we're 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:46.200 pre treating the streets so you know your streets getting precreated. 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:48.440 There's a lot of information. I think people love to 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:53.360 know that we're not quite there yet. But yesterday some 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.640 blasters just there weren't clouds out there because the weather 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:57.919 was taking care of it for us. 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.400 Yeah, I think typically, and it's I think it's an 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.120 important point is that we were plowing. But certainly you 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.680 know where I lived and coming from Warren County to 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.639 Hamblin County, the roads were well, they were in need 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:12.360 of some some treatment for sure. You know, maybe not 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:15.560 plowing technically, but I think when you're a constituent, when 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:17.840 you're a voter, when you're a taxpayer homeowner, you look 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:19.919 at it going I don't care plowing or just treating. 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:21.720 I just want to know you guys are doing your job. 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:24.519 I just want to know you're out there tackling the problem. 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.000 And I log on the site that you guys pouted 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:29.399 the hell out of and it's saying, wow, there's nothing 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:29.880 to see here. 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.760 Forget it. I go here we go again with the communication. 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:36.279 I think that's I don't think that's an unfair analysis 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:36.480 of this. 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:41.160 No, No, it's not unfair at all. And I talk 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.799 about city communication all the time. I think it's the 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:45.560 only thing we know about each other at this stage. 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:51.160 But yesterday was the first day that really builded two 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:55.200 debut things. I think we needed to let me back 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:57.720 it up. We actually got a briefing yesterday that was 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:02.040 coincidentally prepared for the snow as planned, and one of 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:03.919 the things they talked about was there are forty four 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.840 major areas of failures that we had in this last 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:10.200 snow emergency back in January. I think a lot of 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:12.040 people like to try to downplay and say, well, was 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:13.920 penaches of snow. What did you expect us to do? 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:16.160 And the answer is pow it. And the reality is like, 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:17.840 there was a lot of reasons why we couldn't get 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:20.320 it resolved, and there are forty four major areas to 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:24.400 resolve it. They have been working incredibly diligently, and you 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:26.360 know that I'm not wont to hould back on criticism, 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:29.600 so I hope this comes across genuinely here because they 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:34.200 have worked very diligently to get the entire operation scrapped 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:37.560 and rebuilt since January, including bringing a new director of 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:42.760 Public Services who has just impressed me. A snow end. Yesterday, 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:46.520 they they debuted it and I think, like many things 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:48.040 of the city, we just missed the market on how 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.280 we can do the pr I think we forget that 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:52.000 people want to play with the new shiny things just 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:55.320 as much as we want to debut them. And so yesterday, 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:57.520 you know, it snows, and you're like, where's the snowpod tracker, 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:00.440 the ones that's designed for this, And so there's a 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:02.800 lot of disappointment, including myself initilin and I asked that 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.120 the briefing, like why aren't we showing off the snowpops, 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:08.040 like because there's not snowflops And they're like, oh, that 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.160 makes sense. But I do think that there was a 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:11.960 lot more we could do in the communications. I think 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:14.200 there's more we could do to showcase what we're doing 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:16.120 to get people out there, and had you ride along 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:18.640 in the snow polically like here's how it's dramatically different, 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:21.000 because it is, and there's still a lot more work 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:23.719 we have to do, right, let's not sugarcoat it. There's 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:25.400 a lot of work that had to go to rebuildings 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:26.080 entire operation. 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:26.520 Yeah. 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:30.240 I so were you treating streets at all yesterday during 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:31.920 the event or was it just a pre treat and hey, 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:32.719 it's going to melt. 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:36.240 Anyway, to my understanding was we did a lot of 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.599 pre treatment. There were some areas that we were getting 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:40.600 reports on that we were getting out there and doing 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:43.760 treatment on. But within the city limits. It sounded like 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.039 they had it pretty well under control, and that the 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.839 pretreatment did this job. One of the things that I 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:52.359 don't think they've talked about that and it sounds insane, 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:55.120 but these guys actually went out to cities that experienced 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:59.599 massive snowfall, Denver being the most recent one. Same how 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.320 do you get handled this? And they took those lessons, 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:04.240 they came back and to used it to get ready yesterday. 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:07.040 And you have short of a few car accidents that 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.440 I've heard about, which you know, I think is on 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:11.080 all of us to make sure we're driving safe and 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:13.599 snow weather. I'm from Michigan, you're from Buffalo. We know 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.960 what this is like. Yep. It sounds like things actually 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:20.760 worked pretty smoothly yesterday in terms of the actual road condition. 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:23.719 And that's the hardest part. Ste I guess that's my point. 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.720 It's the lack of communication. It's getting the ball to 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:30.120 the goal line and fumbling. And I look at this way, 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:33.960 for example, our peers around this Louisville, Kentucky Transportation candidate 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.680 Cabinet O dot Warren County, Butler County. They're active on 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.200 social media saying hey, we're treating the road street. I 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:41.960 was looking through this morning school and so the only 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:43.719 thing on there was come and meet. I think a 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.320 police dog was the only text or the only social 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:51.279 message from a post from the city. At the very least, 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.320 you know, communicate that on social and say, hey, listen, 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:55.760 we only turned the app on when we are plowing streets, 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.360 not pre treating streets. And then people go, oh, okay, yeah, 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:00.920 that makes sense. But to leave people hanging like that 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.600 is I'm that's just incompetent, isn't it. 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:09.040 You know, it's frustrating. I think it's it's frustrating, and 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:13.120 I think it's part of a culture mindset that I'm 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.480 personally trying to get shifted the city Hall, which is 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.440 they try to solve the problems, they don't necessarily communicate 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.279 how they solved the problem. And that's what we saw yesterday. 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:23.760 Hey the problem is solved. The nobody knows the problem solved. 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:26.560 I worried about why the snap protract and you did. 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:28.800 All this hype about the app, and so people are 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:30.839 naturally going to go, oh, we'll see why you know 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:32.880 what's going on with and it's like, wait, it's down, 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.800 and it feels like you failed when actually everything worked. 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.839 Right. You know, there's nothing worse than turning in your paper, 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.280 but the professor loses it. So you're like, well you 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:46.200 did you didn't do the work in the first place, right. Ultimately, 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:48.800 we have to get better if you are as a city. 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:51.159 I keep saying this over and over again to you. 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.400 I've said it to them personally. I had one of 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:55.560 their offices yesterday as the snow's coming down, and I 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.560 was like, why are we not showing everybody what we're doing? 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:00.320 Because we've put in a lot of work. You were 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.479 ready for this, We've knocked it out of the ballpark. 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:04.080 I think you'd be blown away if you meet Mark, 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:05.200 you know, when you get a chance to get him 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.440 anio to talk about the work he does for public services, 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:10.680 to make sure that we are ready. But then when 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.320 you're right, when we missed the low, the lay ups 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.560 to say, hey, it's the first snowfall of the years. 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.560 Let's see where the free treatments are. How do you 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:20.160 know what are we doing. Let's show you what our 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.000 snow piles look like. Let's show you what the tractor 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.560 looks like. We did hype it up a lot. We 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:26.920 weren't ready to show off our shiny new toys. U 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.360 let people play with them, and I think we can 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.640 do better at that. But I also think that that's 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:35.240 a pr issue and the real problem of making sure 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.840 people get safely to it from work. We actually did 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:39.840 great on it, and the only complaint you've had so 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:42.320 far was him take County Warren County, which you know, 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:43.680 I'm gonna take the rare moment to be able to 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:46.080 say it wasn't the City of Cincinnati that failed on 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:46.480 that part. 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:47.800 Yeah, it was. 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.120 I mean, it was a horrific event by any means. 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:51.480 It was a little bit of snow yesterday, but a 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:54.160 good test I think for the system. And it seems 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:56.720 like you know, and I think it's also unfair all 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.200 the people you mentioned, Seth is like everyone will blame 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:00.880 them and go, well, you I screwed this up. No, 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.160 we did our jobs. It was just a lack of communication. 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.320 And it hasn't been easier. It's never been easier in 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.760 our lifetime. Is only going to get easier to get 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:11.000 this information through social even a social media or hell, 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.119 even on the web page itself. But say, hey, listen, 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.480 we pre treated the roads. Here's if you're looking for plows, 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.120 here's why at least explain it to me. 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:18.560 We're going to that website. 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.880 And I think that is also, quite honestly a systemic 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.840 problem for the city, because it's not just this which 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:27.960 is relatively minor. Let's face it, I'm trying to make 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.120 a big deal out of something minor. But I think 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:33.440 it's also emblematic the whole problem is. I mean, look 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.040 at the police department, lack of communication from the Mayor's 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.240 office when it came to Chief Thiji and the crime 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:42.079 and only recognizing the good things, and the appearance that 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.480 aftabs only there for ribbon cuttings and the like. Nw 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:48.480 He won re election handily, there's no debating that. But 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:51.199 the problem has always been communication with the City of Cincinnati, 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.320 and I just don't know why we're so bad at it. 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.760 I wish i'd answer on that. And again, I think 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:01.840 it's a cultural issue. I think it's part of the 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.920 form of government that we have. There's an expectation, I 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.720 think from the citizenry that the answers come from the politicians, 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:11.800 and so the administrative side has taken the philosophy of like, 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:13.559 we're going to get the problems solved, we'll lot the 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:15.679 politicians to be the politicians and go do the marketing 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.360 a PR well, with all due respect, I'm an economic 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:20.360 development guy. I'm not a PR guy. I'm not a 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:21.839 guy who knows how to put you know, I can 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:27.160 find really hilarious means on Instagram them and so I 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:29.320 think that's where the disconnect is. And I think part 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:31.760 of the job of the politicians and conversations that you 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.200 and I are having here and that I had yesterday, 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:37.640 is to say to the administration, like, the job's not done. 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:39.840 If you're not communicating it to the public, you have 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:42.840 an equal responsibility to the public to tell them what 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:45.880 you've done, to showcase it and frankly be proud of 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:48.240 the work you did, because in this case, you know 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.320 this is literally and you have a listener that has 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:51.839 sent me a letter almost every time I have to 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.920 come on here about the snow plows the situation saying 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.440 Juius will never solve this problem because for fifty plus 0:09:57.559 --> 0:09:59.679 years we haven't solved the problem. Scott, I can keep 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:01.520 prett like we solved it, but we haven't solved it. 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:03.319 And this time they've put in a lot of time 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.440 and effort, and I'm I've seen the work that they 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.760 put into it. Let's go, let's go showcase it. Let's 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.480 go show it off and brag about it. Let's let's 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.520 let you see how much we've fre treated the streets. 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:15.360 Let's just let you see how we change the beat 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.160 juice that we're using to be able to make sure 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.440 they're actually aggresed up on it so that yesterday it 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:21.600 doesn't go across by And all we're complaining about is 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.960 the snow cloud tractor wasn't on and working. And we 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.520 may communicate about that, right that's actually a win, but 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:28.559 it's not framed as a win because we're not doing 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.360 a good job of talking about it. And we have 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.440 to continue to push the administration. We have to continue 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:35.920 to push the city and have that expectation that there 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:37.400 are a lot of cities that are doing a really 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:39.840 great job on how they communicate their work and their success, 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.520 which makes people feel more confident city, because right now 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.520 we have to recognize that for decades we have failed 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:48.400 in some of these areas, and now we have to 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:50.560 earn your trust back. It's not just about saying like 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.080 trust me, I'm stuff wallsh right, It's about saying trust 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:55.319 me and by the way, go look at yourself. 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:58.880 And the thing is too you know, it's a young, vibrant, 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.280 democratic led city and so you've got a lot of 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.720 young people in this administration, and that seems like an 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.839 easy thing to fix relative to you know, get a 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:10.640 and maybe not an influencer per se, but someone who 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:14.760 is knowledgeable in social media and have them putting videos together, 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:16.839 put it out on social You know, how we're changing 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:18.480 the beat juice recipe and all that. 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:20.760 That seems relativelyazy, and I know other cities do it. 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:24.280 Yeah, I mean I would think so too. Again, I'm 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:25.960 not a pr expert, so I don't want to be 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:28.400 over here saying exactly how it is. But I agree, 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:30.680 and I'm just as frustrated that we don't do a 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:32.960 better job at our victory left. And I hope the 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:35.880 message that they hear here is we want to celebrate you. 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:37.680 People want to talk about it. If people want to 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.680 feel to talk about what's actually positively happened in the city, 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.240 you get the absence of talking about the positive things 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.080 that we do because we just expect you're going to 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:46.680 pick it up. You're only going to talk about the 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.120 negative things. And when the negative things happen, it feels 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.040 like that's all that's happening in the City of Cincinnati. 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:53.200 That's not the case. We have a lot of things 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.360 that we should be very proud of, but we should 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:57.240 talk about them outside of the month. Leave us to 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.320 an election, because we do some really great work at 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.360 the City of Cincinnat. They are great people that are 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:03.880 dedicating their lives to it. Let's talk about it, let's 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:05.959 celebrate it, and we don't do a good job on that. 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:07.560 You need to be more like You need to be 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:09.600 more like Trump, for God's sakes, and break your arm, 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:10.760 pat yourself on your back. 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:15.079 That's that's one way to do it. I mean, again, 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:17.760 I don't even run my social media, so I'm really 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.320 not want to criticize it too hard on this too much, 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:23.520 you know, but there is a point to say. And 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.640 you know again, we literally had the snowfall yesterday. This 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:29.240 is this is an easy layoup to celebrate it earlier. 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:30.000 It is. 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:32.520 I'm glad to get the chance to talk about it, 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.679 but I wish that we did more to celebrate it. 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:36.599 Wait, we had some calls in our newsroom about it 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:38.560 and it wasn't about the the streets. Mean, it's like, 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.480 why isn't the snowplot tracker working? And people were more 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:43.760 mad about the lack of communication. It was because the 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:45.920 streets were relatively okay. They weren't like, you know, people 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:47.200 couldn't get up the cut in the hill, you know, 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:48.600 the typical things we've seen when we get a lot 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.600 of snow. It was more like you guys, you touted 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:53.680 this thing, you spent the money, you did the whole 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.680 contest for it, and then it's a nothing burger When 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:58.400 we actually had a little snow, I think people just 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.840 wanted to see it. To your point, And the communication thing, 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.440 I'll point this out too, is and this is just 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:06.080 another example of Okay, so interim chief. 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:07.320 Henny is the interim chief. 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:11.079 We're going to get a new public information officer for CPD, 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:14.840 which I think is needed. They're at full time squat officers, 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:18.480 all watches, the crime center hours have been extended, and 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:20.600 all these other things that Henny's doing. But back to 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.480 the central thing. He's the interim chief or is he 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:26.280 the actual chief at this point? I mean interims generally 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:28.480 hold on and not don't do anything until someone else 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:30.839 comes in and officially becomes chief and they put their 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.800 stamp on it if Terry Thiji is still the chief, technically, 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:35.800 why is he making all these changes? 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:39.760 Again communication, Yes. 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:44.080 I mean very much so. I think that's a unique situation. 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.240 I forget he pop on my office yesterday as talking 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:50.480 about this one of your colleagues, Scott. But I do 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.880 think that's the unique situation sense that interim Chief Henny 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:57.880 has inherited a situation where we have a public safety 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:59.959 crisis that we've been trying to get our hands wrapped thrown. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:01.800 I think the worst thing we could do is just 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:04.080 put it in them in there and not try what 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:07.079 their ideas are. And he has great support from the 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.600 police department, so I have great confidence ideas he's putting 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:11.719 forward or their suggestions for how they can solve this. 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:16.280 But to your point, we do need to communicate that way. 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:17.920 We need to have the press for a while, we 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.640 need to have the introduction to the community because as 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:23.440 a minimum for the contract, the investigation is going to 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:25.280 go to the end of this year, so he's going 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:26.640 to be the inner in police chief for at least 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.520 two months and that is not an intant insignificant amount 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.160 of time. They're very busy period in Cincinnati, Like, yeah, 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.440 how do we do better at communicating and making sure 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:38.160 people feel comfortable with him, whether that's just the short 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:40.120 term or long term, and make sure they're comfortable with 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.160 the decisions he's making. I do think you're spot on. 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:45.560 A lot of the problems that we experienced this summer 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.920 could have maybe been a little bit more mitigated if 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.880 we communicated better. And I've said that that's why one 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:54.840 of the reasons I come on here. We just have 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:56.720 to keep challenging it to say, hey, we can do 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:00.160 better on that. Because we challenge the snow situations, do 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.640 better on that. And look, they did better on that. 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:04.960 And as I said to you last week, my job 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:06.680 is that you guys never even know my name because 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.880 things are going so smoothly, and so yesterday I think 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:13.040 things went smoothly enough that we're complaining about communication. That's 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:13.840 a great problem to have. 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:16.400 Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess I get what you're 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:18.280 saying is, hey, the plows aren't running and so, but 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.240 if you're treating streets, you put a you know, the 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:23.560 the plows that had the assault on them, because actually, 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:25.480 for a minute it was they were on and we 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:27.920 were watching it early on in the morning and said, okay, 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.000 there's only two streets that I don't know. It was 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:32.040 like seven o'clock that been done and then you switched 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:33.840 it off, and I went, wow, wonder for that having 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:37.560 problems with the system or I couldn't put it together. Now, 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:39.520 what you're saying makes sense, because if you had two 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:41.800 trucks out there that were just salting the trouble spots, 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:46.720 that now makes sense in retrospect. But if I'm a taxpayer, 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:48.880 if I'm a property or you know, citizen of Cincinnati, 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:50.720 I look at it and go, what the hell are 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.400 they doing here? Just like the breakdown and communication, we 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:55.840 just need to I know we've been talking about doing better, 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.600 but it seems like with the police department getting a 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:01.520 new public information officer, it seems like the city needs 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:04.240 a little bit more that someone to handle the communications. 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:07.960 And maybe it's a departmental thing. Maybe streets and bridges 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.400 and the street department needs someone to handle all that 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:12.520 up on social media. Not that we want to spend 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:16.880 more money, but communication is key and it really undermines 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:19.720 all the hard work that behind the scenes that the 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:21.040 city's been doing stuff well. 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:23.600 Well, I mean, we have a small but mighty team 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.400 handling communications at the city of Cincinnaty, and I don't 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:29.120 think it s fielverlooked is that they are putting entriagy 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.120 in a lot of situations constantly, and so I think 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:36.520 again communications, you know, there's a strategy to it some 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:39.000 of it. You know, you can choose one way and 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:40.840 then you're always wrong and should go the other way. 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.560 I think what we're talking about here is, you know, 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:45.480 how do we get strategic about some of these victories 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.080 and talk and talk that way? And part of that is, 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:50.120 let's just you know, we just have to encourage them 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:51.760 like that the area that I think would be very 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.560 helpful to be engaged in. That doesn't mean that they're 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:56.440 not doing a good job, but they are a small 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:59.160 but mighty team here. To your point, we're not spending 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:00.840 a lot of money on commun cations of the city. 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:02.480 Maybe when you beat that up, maybe that is a 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.560 conversation we need to have. But those who are working 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:07.919 on it deserved the kudos for putting on a lot 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:10.200 of fires constantly throughout the day. There's a lot of 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:12.240 Scott cloves in the city trying to get information from 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:12.600 the city. 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:14.359