1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Two thousand and four, Bill McGuire's body is found in 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: three separate suitcases that wash up on Chesapeake Bay. His wife, 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Melanie becomes the main suspect, and that is where we 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: begin true Crame Tuesday. 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 2: The story is true. 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: That's true. No, it sounds made up. I don't know. 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: Gary and Shannon present true. 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: Now, right out the gate, you've got a man's body 9 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: found in three separate suitcases. To me, that means that 10 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: the man's body has been dismembered. How you would ever 11 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: land on a woman being the culprit? The culprit is 12 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: wild to me because it sounds like it would cau 13 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: It would, it would. It would cost a lot of 14 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: physical strength to cut up a man's body, even if 15 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: it was a small man, and put him into different 16 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: suitcases and somehow drag them out to see. But Melanie 17 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: became the main suspect and the center of a highly 18 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 1: publicized trial and now is the subject of Suitcase Killer, 19 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: the Melanie McGuire story. Now, this is a Lifetime movie 20 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: and it was first broadcast in twenty twenty two. The 21 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: reason we're talking about it is because it has moved 22 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: onto Netflix and it's a big hit there. This week. 23 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 3: It's weirdly moving up the moving up the ranks in 24 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 3: terms of most watch shows. 25 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:38,639 Speaker 1: I'm telling you Lifetime movies in their heyday were fantastically told. 26 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: There's something often involving true stories and the dramatization of 27 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: true stories. 28 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 3: It's a specific formula that hits a nerve, yes, and 29 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 3: they have perfected it. 30 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: It's so easy to watch. It moves along. It's almost 31 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: like watching a law and order, usually a woman that is. 32 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: It's the focus of some sort of wrongdoing, which speaks 33 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: to I don't know people watching these movies, I e. Women. 34 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: So in Suitcase Killer, the Melanie Maguire story, you meet Melanie. 35 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: You learn that she first meets her soon to be husband, 36 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: Bill at a diner where they both worked. Bill is 37 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: a smooth talking playboy. As happens, her coworkers, her friends 38 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: warn her against him. They say this guy is a cheat. 39 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: But Melanie says, no, like we all do, we can 40 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: change them. It's different for me. Melanie falls head over heels. 41 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, he sweeps her off her feet. They go to 42 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 3: Atlantic City, they hang out, they have romantic trips to 43 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 3: Virginia Beach. Within a couple of months, they're serious enough 44 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: that they're going to move in together. And not long 45 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 3: after that they get married and she has a bun 46 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 3: in the oven. 47 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: Now you know the story. It's not all love and 48 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: unicorns and floating heart. It's responsibilities make their way into 49 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: every love story. And when the responsibilities pile up, so 50 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: do some issues. Right, Melanie's struggling to save money for 51 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: a house to raise their kids in. Why is she struggling, Well, 52 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: there's Bill. Remember those trips to Atlantic City. Bill also 53 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: likes to gamble, and he likes to gamble their money away. 54 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: So the marriage starts to fall apart. Melanie's like, I 55 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: got to get rid. 56 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: Of this guy by any means necessary. I don't know you. 57 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't want to ruin it. 58 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: I don't know. 59 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: If there was more like what that's it? 60 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: If we had that music, that'd be great. Okay. 61 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: Well it's April two thousand and four, five years after 62 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: their marriage, and finally Melanie and her husband Bill are 63 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: able to close on their first home. It's in Woodbridge, 64 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: New Jersey. What an achievement. This is what she's working for. 65 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: Maybe things will turn around. But a couple and their 66 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: two sons never got to move into the new home. 67 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: But I don't do it as well. I don't do 68 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: it as well. 69 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 2: By any means necessary. 70 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: We are in the midst of true crime Tuesday. We're 71 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: talking about the murder of Bill McGuire. It happened in 72 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: two thousand and four when some of his remains were 73 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: found in three suitcases that had been dumped into the 74 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: Chesapeake Bay right there, Maryland, Virginia area. His wife, Melanie, 75 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: a fertility nurse, was charged with his murder. 76 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked about, I mean, kind of an auspicious 77 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 3: start to their relationship, where others had warned her that 78 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 3: he had a temper. Even his ex had come to 79 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 3: her and said he's not great, and he cheats and 80 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 3: he's a bad guy. Still, she fell in love with him. 81 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 3: They got married, a couple kids, and as you mentioned, 82 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 3: April of two thousand four, after they'd been married for 83 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: about five years, they finally closed on their first home 84 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 3: in Woodbridge, New Jersey, but they never got to move 85 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 3: in to that home. 86 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: The same day that they closed on the home, prosecutors 87 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: alleged that Melanie drugged and shot her husband Bill, that 88 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: she proceeded to dismember his body in order to fit 89 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: the remains into three separate suitcases, which she then dumped 90 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: into Chesapeake Bay. 91 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 3: Fishermen were the ones that found the first suitcase a 92 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 3: few days after the murder. That, of course, you know, 93 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 3: as it would, body parts in a suitcase would launch 94 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 3: a police investigation to find the rest of it. 95 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: It's not a natural death, is it. 96 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably not. 97 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 3: But when the remaining suitcases were discovered, they released the 98 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 3: public a reconstructed sketch of what they think, sorry, what 99 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 3: the victim might have looked like. 100 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: One of his friends recognized him looking at the sketch. 101 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 3: And as I immediately, you wouldn't think anything of it 102 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 3: unless you hadn't seen Bob for some time, right, I mean. 103 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: They uncovered like enough evidence to arrest Melanie in June 104 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: of the following year. About a year after this, she 105 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: pleaded not guilty to all the charges was released on bail. 106 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: Three years after the murder is when her criminal trial began. 107 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: Because man, those wheels of justice, don't they turned so slow? 108 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: Prosecutors were able to prove at trial that Melanie bought 109 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: the murder weapon two days before the murder, and that 110 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: she disposed of his car in Atlantic City. Well, of 111 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: course he befell some sort of criminal element. He was 112 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: a gambling womanizer in Atlantic City. But physical evidence found 113 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: in Bill's car tied Melanie to the crime. Now, what 114 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: was her motive other than he was a gambling womanizer? 115 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: How could she kill her husband? 116 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: Well, Melanie had a little side peace herself, a doctor 117 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: I know, a coworker. 118 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 3: Of hers, doctor Bradley Miller, and supposedly wanted to start 119 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 3: a new life with him. 120 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: Now, doctor Bradley Miller was a doctor, she's a name, 121 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: She's a fertility clinic nurse. They have this love blooming. 122 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: Doctor Bradley isn't a gambler. Doctor Bradley isn't a womanizer. 123 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: Why not start a new life. I don't know why 124 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: Melanie didn't just get a divorce. Why'd you have to 125 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: kill Bill and chop him up? Why couldn't she just 126 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: said Bill, I'm done with you. I'm going to hook 127 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: up with doctor Bradley. I don't know. We'll never know now. 128 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 3: The defense, Melanie's defense, by the way, said that Bill 129 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 3: was addicted to gambling, was losing all of the family's money, 130 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 3: was physically abusive to Melanie, and said that there, yes, 131 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 3: there may have been a little tiny bit of physical 132 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 3: evidence that tied her to the murder, but not enough 133 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 3: physical evidence. And in fact, they suggested that Bill was 134 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 3: killed by mobsters out of Atlantic City who were tired 135 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 3: of chasing after this guy and is unpaid debts. 136 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,679 Speaker 1: She did do an interview. By the way, the kids, 137 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: the two kids, I believe her sister got custody his 138 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: sister or his sister got custody of them. She has 139 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: maintained her innocence, by the way. She has argued that 140 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: she was framed, like you said, by people that her 141 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: husband owed gambling money to. She said in an interview 142 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: with ABC News Is twenty twenty and in twenty twenty 143 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: that she admitted being hurt and bothered by her conviction. 144 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: She has not commented on the suitcase killer or the 145 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: woman who played her in that. 146 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 3: The questions though, was he ever really involved with the 147 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 3: criminal element in Atlantic City? I mean, it's one thing 148 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 3: to say you you have gambling debts. 149 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: I think we're spicing up Bill's life a little bit 150 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: to say that he's involved with the criminal element. 151 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 2: Right and did? 152 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 3: I mean again, we're talking about the fictionalization, perhaps the 153 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 3: stretching of the truth a bit when it comes to 154 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 3: the show versus what really happened. Melanie did have an 155 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: affair with the doctor, she admitted that, but the movie 156 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 3: itself portrays the relationship begetting closer to Bill's murder, and 157 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 3: it actually started a couple of years before that. 158 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: You mentioned Bill's ex warning Melanie about him. Did that 159 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: just happen or was it just for the cinematic value 160 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: of the film. Apparently it did happen that the ex 161 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: told Melanie, He's gonna make you think you're crazy. This 162 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: is what he's done to me, He's going to do 163 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: it to you now known in the Year of Our 164 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: Lord twenty twenty six as gaslighting. 165 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 3: Never been warned off of a man by friends or even. 166 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: Somehow, No I suffer. No, I never had to be 167 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: warned off of anyone. 168 00:09:58,520 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 2: Your picker work. 169 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: I'm pretty good when it comes to picking. 170 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I've told me some stories. 171 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: Oh the one I have now, Yeah, I know, right. 172 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: If only you went to my wedding to tell me 173 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: not to marry him, But you didn't.