WEBVTT - Scott Sloan -- 10/15/26 0:00:02.900 --> 0:00:03.920 Scott Sloan, show 700, WLW. 0:00:03.940 --> 0:00:08.100 Here we go, Thursday morning, back after the week, all good. 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:11.440 We got lots going on. We're getting a hidden trial. 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:14.650 The defense rests. I don't know if it's going to 0:00:14.660 --> 0:00:17.270 be good enough. Maybe later, certainly later this morning, we'll 0:00:17.290 --> 0:00:20.849 get into that as well. But first, though, on the show, 0:00:22.450 --> 0:00:24.710 eight days, in eight days, eight days from now, the 0:00:24.790 --> 0:00:28.770 cheap prescriptions you've been getting mailed from Canada... could stop 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:30.730 showing up at your door. So, you know, you look 0:00:30.770 --> 0:00:34.290 at prescription costs, especially if you are pinching pennies like 0:00:34.350 --> 0:00:36.490 most of us are. You go, OK, well, Canadian drugs 0:00:36.550 --> 0:00:38.850 is cheaper. They can ship them from there to America. 0:00:38.990 --> 0:00:41.090 And now we have a new customs rule taking effect 0:00:41.650 --> 0:00:44.970 October 22nd. So that's next week. And what does that mean? 0:00:45.010 --> 0:00:45.530 Who gets hurt? 0:00:45.630 --> 0:00:48.230 Is there a workaround? And joining the show is Otto Graham. 0:00:48.270 --> 0:00:51.630 He is the vice president sourcing and of prescription relations 0:00:51.650 --> 0:00:53.170 for a company called ShareX based out of St. 0:00:53.210 --> 0:00:53.430 Louis. 0:00:53.490 --> 0:00:53.950 Otto, welcome. 0:00:53.970 --> 0:00:54.290 How are you? 0:00:55.770 --> 0:00:57.620 Hey, good morning. Doing great. Thanks for having me. 0:00:57.620 --> 0:00:58.279 Outstanding. 0:00:58.400 --> 0:00:59.040 Outstanding. 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:05.280 So in plain English, what actually changes next week? Yeah. 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:08.600 So I guess first, starting off, hot off the presses, 0:01:09.220 --> 0:01:13.520 as of late yesterday, there's actually been a little bit 0:01:13.580 --> 0:01:17.030 of a postponement of what's going into effect. 0:01:17.270 --> 0:01:17.910 Nice. 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:20.470 So the new date is going to be January 20th, 0:01:20.550 --> 0:01:22.490 which is a huge win that we can get into 0:01:22.510 --> 0:01:23.550 in a little bit. 0:01:23.569 --> 0:01:23.809 Okay. 0:01:24.450 --> 0:01:27.790 The big changes that are happening is when you look 0:01:27.810 --> 0:01:31.910 at prescription drugs that are coming across the border from Canada. Previously, 0:01:31.990 --> 0:01:34.610 there was a de minimis exclusion that if they were 0:01:34.670 --> 0:01:38.250 legitimate prescriptions and they were under a certain threshold that 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:41.660 they would still have. The scrutiny needed, but it would 0:01:41.700 --> 0:01:44.440 be able to kind of get through quickly because these 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.760 are prescriptions and they're important for people to get in 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:50.820 a timely manner to maintain the efficacy of the drugs 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:55.020 and their adherence to the medication. So the proposed changes 0:01:55.080 --> 0:02:00.200 coming are some heightened regulations that the concern is may 0:02:00.220 --> 0:02:04.030 delay these prescriptions getting across the border, which could eventually 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:06.390 end up impacting millions of Americans. 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.120 Okay, so you mentioned De Minimis, and that's more familiar 0:02:09.139 --> 0:02:12.080 with things like Timu, for example, where the Chinese would 0:02:12.220 --> 0:02:13.880 ship these products here. And if it's under $ 800, then 0:02:14.540 --> 0:02:16.430 they don't have to pay the tariff. Well, it's like, okay, 0:02:16.450 --> 0:02:19.010 that's a loophole, and it's flooding our market with stuff, 0:02:19.250 --> 0:02:22.329 and enough crumbs make a loaf. So we had to 0:02:22.370 --> 0:02:24.260 go back and change the law. So what you're saying 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:27.020 is that now applies to everything, including pharmaceuticals. 0:02:28.500 --> 0:02:33.440 Yeah, that's the conversation that's happening in terms of looking 0:02:33.490 --> 0:02:36.290 at cracking down on that border security, which, again, I 0:02:36.330 --> 0:02:38.450 think we can all agree as Americans, we don't want 0:02:38.490 --> 0:02:41.750 fraudulent products and we don't want things that are unsafe 0:02:41.810 --> 0:02:43.589 for Americans to come across the border. 0:02:43.610 --> 0:02:47.299 I think we can all agree on that. But unfortunately, some. 0:02:47.180 --> 0:02:51.540 Of this newly proposed legislation, it's kind of more, you know, 0:02:51.620 --> 0:02:55.630 put across broadly that affects, it's looking. 0:02:55.410 --> 0:02:57.570 To affect all prescription medication. 0:02:58.750 --> 0:03:01.790 And, you know, the thought is, is that obviously, while 0:03:01.810 --> 0:03:04.830 we want that patient safety, we also, you know, that 0:03:05.210 --> 0:03:09.290 accessibility to affordable medications, which is a huge, you know, 0:03:09.350 --> 0:03:12.850 larger problem here in the U.S. with the current pricing 0:03:12.889 --> 0:03:17.380 of prescriptions is, here versus uh internationally um you know 0:03:18.020 --> 0:03:21.200 it risks affecting both of those things at the same 0:03:21.260 --> 0:03:23.420 time and and i just don't think both of those 0:03:23.460 --> 0:03:25.459 things have to be mutually exclusive. 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.570 Um so is this a ban specifically on canadian prescriptions 0:03:28.690 --> 0:03:31.290 or is just a paperwork wall so high that if 0:03:31.310 --> 0:03:33.609 we put it on the southern border we'd keep people 0:03:33.650 --> 0:03:35.290 from getting a country illegally. 0:03:36.210 --> 0:03:38.830 Yeah, it's a great question. So it's actually not a 0:03:38.870 --> 0:03:42.570 ban at all, which is great. It's really put in place, again, 0:03:42.690 --> 0:03:47.950 with the right intentions in mind to really be scrutinizing. 0:03:47.410 --> 0:03:51.730 More what is coming across the borders. 0:03:52.370 --> 0:03:56.010 So it's not just Canada. It would be all international prescriptions. 0:03:56.210 --> 0:04:00.320 But Canada currently has the largest relationship with the U.S. 0:04:00.380 --> 0:04:04.190 And because of the unfortunate current high price situation, of 0:04:04.250 --> 0:04:06.730 prescriptions in the U.S. on average about four and a 0:04:06.770 --> 0:04:09.190 half to five times more than the rest of the country. 0:04:09.210 --> 0:04:13.010 The reality is, is a lot of, you know, American citizens, 0:04:13.030 --> 0:04:15.940 a lot of seniors who have, you know, limited income, 0:04:16.620 --> 0:04:20.320 they do look to Canada to the tune of about, 0:04:20.339 --> 0:04:25.040 you know, 45% of, you know, those drugs they have 0:04:25.100 --> 0:04:27.040 there are a cheaper price than we have here in 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:31.870 the U.S., So Canada relations with America in terms of 0:04:31.930 --> 0:04:34.510 prescriptions is one that is most likely going to be 0:04:34.550 --> 0:04:37.410 affected because of, again, I think the number is somewhere 0:04:37.470 --> 0:04:42.210 north of 2 million American citizens right now are utilizing 0:04:42.670 --> 0:04:45.710 mail-order drugs from Canada. And those are the ones who 0:04:46.190 --> 0:04:51.880 risk being impacted if long delays happen. or a lot 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:55.790 of the paperwork requirements, I think the real big concern is, 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.380 you know, the confusion level for some of our seniors 0:04:58.810 --> 0:05:01.710 and some of the added paperwork that's going to really 0:05:01.770 --> 0:05:02.830 create some gaps there. 0:05:02.990 --> 0:05:06.030 Does that hurt seniors the most, obviously, uninsured, people on 0:05:06.070 --> 0:05:06.849 specialty drugs? 0:05:09.350 --> 0:05:09.940 Yeah, yeah. 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.360 I mean, I think it's across the board. I think it's, 0:05:14.180 --> 0:05:17.600 you know, everyone who is currently utilizing, you know, international 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:23.570 programs drug channels for, you know, trying to get relief 0:05:24.270 --> 0:05:28.050 on those currently crazy high drug prices here domestically. 0:05:28.110 --> 0:05:28.890 I think it will be. 0:05:29.070 --> 0:05:32.130 But I think my largest concern is for our senior populations. 0:05:33.029 --> 0:05:37.529 Given some of the complexity that's involved, I really feel that, 0:05:38.510 --> 0:05:40.200 you know, they're going to feel the brunt of it. 0:05:40.250 --> 0:05:41.120 Maybe more than most. 0:05:41.300 --> 0:05:44.920 Which medications do Americans most commonly order from Canada or abroad? 0:05:44.940 --> 0:05:45.779 What's the price gap there? 0:05:47.089 --> 0:05:51.450 Yeah, so it's funny you mention that because it's not 0:05:51.490 --> 0:05:56.020 across the board. There are some prices, and I'll be honest, 0:05:56.180 --> 0:05:59.310 the U.S., especially just recently, is really starting to do 0:05:59.370 --> 0:06:03.339 some great work on advocacy of showing that price gap 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:08.039 disparity and helping bring those domestic prices down. But again, 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.540 we're still at, even with that work, we're still at 0:06:10.580 --> 0:06:12.050 a pretty severe gap. 0:06:13.350 --> 0:06:15.060 The generic medications are the. 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.710 Ones where we're seeing the most improvement here. But a 0:06:17.750 --> 0:06:20.710 lot of the branded medications are the ones where, again, 0:06:20.930 --> 0:06:26.650 on average, it's about 550% more here in the U.S. 0:06:26.730 --> 0:06:31.650 to grab the brand drugs versus some of those international models. 0:06:31.670 --> 0:06:34.169 And it's not every drug, but when you average it out, 0:06:34.310 --> 0:06:38.529 the price gap disparity is pretty large. 0:06:38.890 --> 0:06:43.570 He's out of Graham, vice president of sourcing and prescription 0:06:43.589 --> 0:06:46.230 relations for a company called Cherix out of St. Louis, 0:06:46.270 --> 0:06:49.460 and they are a prescription procurement group. And we're talking 0:06:49.500 --> 0:06:51.520 about these changes that were supposed to happen a week 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.440 from today, October 22nd. The Trump administration has just kicked 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:56.020 that can down the road. So a little bit more 0:06:56.060 --> 0:06:58.980 relief for you until January 20th. But nonetheless, what we 0:06:59.020 --> 0:07:03.180 do is, in effect, ban prescriptions coming from Canada. And 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:07.500 we know cheaper prescriptions come from abroad in Canada. And 0:07:07.540 --> 0:07:09.440 I know, too, as I recall, maybe I'm wrong about this. 0:07:09.460 --> 0:07:15.730 Tell me, wasn't it illegal to import drugs? prescriptions for 0:07:15.810 --> 0:07:18.530 personal use i thought i thought that as an individual 0:07:18.550 --> 0:07:20.410 you're not allowed to do that is that a loophole 0:07:20.430 --> 0:07:22.250 uh am i wrong about that. 0:07:23.170 --> 0:07:27.100 Yeah so okay so the first personal use is actually 0:07:27.180 --> 0:07:30.220 what was allowed in an agreement between the fda and 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.400 the current regulations um there's a couple specifics it needs 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:35.850 to be 90 days or less and it needs to 0:07:35.930 --> 0:07:40.050 you know show that it's going to a specific individual 0:07:40.990 --> 0:07:44.310 really kind of to prevent manufacturers or someone trying to 0:07:44.370 --> 0:07:47.150 stockpile drugs at that lower rate and then turn around 0:07:47.190 --> 0:07:49.430 and sell them at that high rate in the US. 0:07:50.770 --> 0:07:55.430 But individually, that is where currently the regulation stands that 0:07:55.510 --> 0:07:59.190 allows some of those international sourcing because it does help 0:07:59.250 --> 0:08:02.480 bring in that competition right into the marketplace, which continues 0:08:02.510 --> 0:08:05.160 to help what I would argue is maybe the larger 0:08:06.420 --> 0:08:11.210 which is that huge price gap and disparity with our 0:08:11.890 --> 0:08:14.210 localized and U.S. 0:08:14.230 --> 0:08:14.550 Drugs. 0:08:14.650 --> 0:08:18.560 So what's driving this? This has nothing to do with tariffs. 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:22.480 Is this fallout from the tariff beef? Is this about 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:26.380 fentanyl or counterfeit pills? What's driving this all of a sudden? 0:08:27.330 --> 0:08:28.470 Yeah, it's a great question. 0:08:29.490 --> 0:08:32.390 I haven't really seen a ton of transparency around that. 0:08:32.429 --> 0:08:35.390 I think it continues to speak to, again, some of 0:08:35.410 --> 0:08:37.500 the really good work that I feel like we're doing 0:08:37.580 --> 0:08:40.460 to continue to protect our borders and protect our citizens. 0:08:41.340 --> 0:08:44.000 And like I kind of started with, I. 0:08:44.020 --> 0:08:50.590 Don't think that looking at questionable, illegitimate, fraudulent medications coming 0:08:50.620 --> 0:08:54.570 into our country is a bad thing at all. I 0:08:54.590 --> 0:08:58.460 just think that if we look at broad spectrum regulation 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.959 for that, Unfortunately, and this is where there's been a 0:09:02.010 --> 0:09:04.200 lot of people who have been jumping on board, including 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.460 a lot of lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, 0:09:07.020 --> 0:09:09.980 saying that the risk of the way that it's kind 0:09:10.020 --> 0:09:14.900 of being presented has more of a likelihood of maybe 0:09:15.620 --> 0:09:19.890 affecting all of those who are currently using legitimate prescriptions 0:09:19.950 --> 0:09:23.630 and potentially causing harm. you know, some pretty severe gaps 0:09:24.210 --> 0:09:27.650 and lags in that medication, which really could have a 0:09:27.730 --> 0:09:31.590 huge impact. And, you know, it's tough to feel like, 0:09:31.630 --> 0:09:33.350 you know, the people who are doing it right are 0:09:33.370 --> 0:09:37.120 getting penalized to try to, you know, kind of lean 0:09:37.250 --> 0:09:40.220 in and focus in on, you know, the ones who 0:09:40.250 --> 0:09:41.420 unfortunately might not be. 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:43.640 It doesn't seem like, like, you think of where you 0:09:43.660 --> 0:09:46.380 get your medicine from, and Canada seems safe. Mexico would 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:48.260 be sketchy, but Canada's like, ah, they're fine. 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:48.730 They're like us. 0:09:50.260 --> 0:09:54.810 I mean, it could technically come from anywhere, I assume, 0:09:54.890 --> 0:09:58.330 but the FDA does do a really good job of 0:09:58.390 --> 0:10:03.209 looking at and having kind of a conversion table for 0:10:03.330 --> 0:10:06.760 international medicines, molecules, they call them in a lot of 0:10:06.790 --> 0:10:09.630 other countries other than the US. But looking at the 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.760 efficacy and the active ingredients, and they actually have a 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:18.120 rating scale to ensure that certain medications from certain countries 0:10:18.140 --> 0:10:21.189 are are legitimized. And I think that's part of the argument, 0:10:21.250 --> 0:10:24.750 because if a medication has gone through that process, it's 0:10:24.790 --> 0:10:28.010 coming from a reputable pharmacy, it's got all the documentation 0:10:28.050 --> 0:10:32.140 that really proves that it is a legitimate prescription, why 0:10:32.179 --> 0:10:35.240 are we risking holding those up and potentially blocking those 0:10:35.300 --> 0:10:40.229 at the border for the greater good? good of blocking 0:10:40.290 --> 0:10:42.810 some of those fraudulent ones as well. I definitely agree 0:10:42.870 --> 0:10:45.690 we need a process there to help that. But with 0:10:45.730 --> 0:10:48.570 modern technology and some of the ways that we have 0:10:48.630 --> 0:10:52.310 now to legitimize certain prescriptions, I think there's a way 0:10:52.350 --> 0:10:56.170 that there's a happy medium between both where we can 0:10:56.250 --> 0:11:00.360 still focus in on finding out the ones that don't 0:11:00.380 --> 0:11:02.860 want to get across, but then again, don't risk such 0:11:02.900 --> 0:11:06.520 a huge impact for such a large segment of our population. 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:09.579 The pharmaceutical lobbies behind this, I just was thinking as 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:11.319 you're talking about follow the money, it's like, well, it 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.230 seems like big pharma might be going, hey, this is 0:11:13.270 --> 0:11:15.270 kind of cutting into our bottom line and we're getting 0:11:15.330 --> 0:11:16.790 squeezed in every direction these days. 0:11:16.870 --> 0:11:18.650 So that kind of fits. 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:25.900 Yeah, again, I'm hearing about this and getting ready to 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:30.450 try to fight for those patients that are needing their medications. 0:11:30.510 --> 0:11:32.910 I mean, at Sharks, that's really what we're focused on 0:11:32.950 --> 0:11:36.689 is helping Americans find affordable access to medications. 0:11:36.150 --> 0:11:37.310 They need, right? 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:41.800 That mission for us doesn't change if regulation changes. I 0:11:41.820 --> 0:11:46.230 think that this is one of kind of a string 0:11:46.330 --> 0:11:50.210 of a lot of recent regulation changes, which it does 0:11:50.270 --> 0:11:54.500 make it sometimes a little bit more difficult. committed to 0:11:54.540 --> 0:11:57.750 being agile and to show up for, um, you know, 0:11:58.370 --> 0:12:00.790 the Americans trying to get this medication. That's our, our 0:12:00.830 --> 0:12:03.949 kind of main focus and goal there. So, um, a 0:12:04.910 --> 0:12:07.030 lot of this is, is a little bit reactive for 0:12:07.130 --> 0:12:08.990 us because, you know, we're just trying to work with 0:12:09.030 --> 0:12:11.510 the system as it's laid out in order to try 0:12:11.550 --> 0:12:15.969 to get that affordable affordability for our, for our patients. Um, 0:12:16.230 --> 0:12:18.350 but again, the more things change and the more there's 0:12:18.370 --> 0:12:22.630 kind of broad spectrum, uh, policies laid out, it really 0:12:22.809 --> 0:12:24.270 it's starting to make it a lot more difficult. 0:12:24.670 --> 0:12:27.200 Yeah, I you know, at this point, you're sweating. OK, 0:12:27.220 --> 0:12:30.280 you get reprieve here, Otto, till January 20th. It was 0:12:30.300 --> 0:12:32.800 going to be next Thursday. We just found out that 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:34.660 this is going to kick down a can to kick 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:35.760 the can down to January 20th. 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:36.959 OK, a little bit of relief there. 0:12:37.020 --> 0:12:40.500 But if you rely on international pharmacies, you're getting your 0:12:40.540 --> 0:12:44.130 prescriptions from Canada, like we're talking about with Otto Graham 0:12:44.190 --> 0:12:45.290 from Sharks in St. 0:12:45.309 --> 0:12:45.550 Louis. 0:12:45.590 --> 0:12:49.059 They do prescription procurement. then what should you be doing 0:12:49.100 --> 0:12:51.600 right now? You just hope and pray that you get 0:12:51.620 --> 0:12:53.839 some relief on the 20th or they just forget about 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:55.780 this or there's no workaround, is there? 0:12:56.940 --> 0:12:57.120 Yeah. 0:12:57.220 --> 0:13:00.160 And you touched on a great statement, which is that, 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.740 you know, this delay, it is beneficial because it allows 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:07.500 more time for preparations and for, you know, kind of 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:12.429 this to sink in of what is potentially coming. But 0:13:12.470 --> 0:13:14.830 it doesn't change any of the fact that, you know, 0:13:14.870 --> 0:13:17.720 they're still looking at putting this into place. And so 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:22.979 for current patients who are potentially getting their drugs from 0:13:23.059 --> 0:13:27.900 Canada or are currently looking at alternative pricing options because 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.969 of not being able to afford the prices here in 0:13:30.990 --> 0:13:33.510 the US, I think the key is don't wait until 0:13:33.570 --> 0:13:37.330 January 20th to try to get a plan for your 0:13:37.390 --> 0:13:41.030 current medications. Uh, because obviously if you wait too long 0:13:41.050 --> 0:13:43.870 and you run out of medicine, um, then you're going 0:13:43.890 --> 0:13:46.310 to be looking at potentially a huge gap or having 0:13:46.370 --> 0:13:48.439 to really be forced to kind of go down, uh, 0:13:48.929 --> 0:13:51.670 and try to find a domestic option, which, you know, 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.599 really could end up being hundreds, if not thousands of 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:58.120 dollars out of your pocket, um, waiting to the last minute. 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.300 So I would say, you know, start to look and 0:14:00.340 --> 0:14:02.580 consider the other options that are out there and start 0:14:02.620 --> 0:14:04.140 planning ahead as best you can. 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.059 Um, that would be my suggestion. 0:14:06.540 --> 0:14:08.400 Are there options that come close on price? 0:14:08.420 --> 0:14:11.230 You know, discount programs, there's Trump Rx, there's Good Rx, 0:14:12.210 --> 0:14:16.100 there's cash price pharmacies, there's rebates from manufacturers. 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:17.780 Is there anything to help close that gap? 0:14:19.010 --> 0:14:21.850 Yeah, yeah, and that's where we've seen a lot of 0:14:21.910 --> 0:14:25.490 the momentum and a lot of the positive swing, especially 0:14:25.530 --> 0:14:27.500 in the last, I would say, six to nine months 0:14:27.540 --> 0:14:29.680 with some of the great work that TrumpRx and some 0:14:29.700 --> 0:14:33.040 of the other companies are doing, connecting directly with the 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:37.300 manufacturer to bring some of those prices down. Really generic 0:14:38.380 --> 0:14:42.370 drug creation is where it helps moderate and level out 0:14:42.410 --> 0:14:45.150 the pricing with prescription drugs. So once the generics come 0:14:45.190 --> 0:14:49.730 to the market, that creates that competition in the marketplace, 0:14:49.790 --> 0:14:52.770 and that really helps bring those prices down. So the 0:14:52.810 --> 0:14:56.770 drugs that currently have generics, we're seeing not just the 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.620 generic creation bring it down, but then also some of 0:14:59.660 --> 0:15:05.300 these direct-to-consumer, direct-to-employer new programs that are helping it to 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:09.700 come down. But it's on the brand medications that are 0:15:09.740 --> 0:15:16.110 still currently protected by some of those patents. that we 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:19.270 see the huge price disparity. And to be honest, there's 0:15:19.330 --> 0:15:22.530 some with generics that really the market's been slow. 0:15:24.110 --> 0:15:25.550 To change those prices also. 0:15:25.610 --> 0:15:29.710 So overall, while there's huge positives happening, and I hope 0:15:29.730 --> 0:15:33.900 we're continuing that same positive trend and direction, overall, there's 0:15:33.940 --> 0:15:37.000 still a huge price disparity and gap, again, to the 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:41.640 tune of about 400% to 500% on average of drugs 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:42.420 here in the U.S. 0:15:42.460 --> 0:15:43.900 Versus the rest of the world. 0:15:44.140 --> 0:15:44.360 All right. 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:49.340 He is Otto Graham, vice president at Sharks in St. Louis, 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.910 and they're a prescription procurement company. Story significant for a 0:15:52.930 --> 0:15:55.550 lot of people. And if you're older, mom and dad, grandma, grandpa, 0:15:55.750 --> 0:15:58.950 and maybe yourself, that if you get prescriptions from Canada, 0:15:59.530 --> 0:16:01.930 which is a cheaper alternative to get them here in 0:16:01.950 --> 0:16:04.430 the States, next week, a week from today, it was 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.720 supposed to change that you couldn't do that. Now they've 0:16:07.740 --> 0:16:09.600 kicked that down to January 20th, I believe is what 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:11.300 you said. So you've got a little bit of time 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.570 to sort this stuff out and find a cheaper alternative. 0:16:13.610 --> 0:16:16.990 But it's like a full-time job just managing your medications 0:16:17.010 --> 0:16:18.730 these days. I'm not talking about the number. I'm talking 0:16:18.750 --> 0:16:21.390 about the sourcing. That's a huge problem for the economy 0:16:21.410 --> 0:16:21.950 in this country. 0:16:22.030 --> 0:16:23.010 Otto, all the best. Thanks again. 0:16:24.430 --> 0:16:26.290 Yeah, thanks so much. Thanks for having me. Take care. 0:16:26.500 --> 0:16:28.640 We'll get a news update in about five here on 0:16:28.660 --> 0:16:32.520 the big one, 700 WLW. Another horrific rape accusation in 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:36.340 Chicago this time involving fraternities. And is that the end 0:16:36.420 --> 0:16:39.400 to Greek social life? Good question. That and more just ahead. 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:45.400 After News, Scott Sloan Show 700, WLW. I'm not going 0:16:45.420 --> 0:16:46.120 to bury the lead. 0:16:48.450 --> 0:16:49.970 I get in this morning. I'm doing my stuff. 0:16:50.070 --> 0:16:50.600 I pop it. 0:16:50.610 --> 0:16:51.910 I drop some stuff off in. 0:16:52.770 --> 0:16:54.610 Our room where we do our little shows here at 0:16:54.630 --> 0:16:58.070 Tom Brenneman. I'm like, where the hell is Tom? I look, 0:16:58.170 --> 0:17:02.840 and he has doubled over, laughing. What the hell are 0:17:02.860 --> 0:17:06.500 you laughing at? Apparently, I had walked in right after 0:17:07.060 --> 0:17:11.340 this happened. MLS soccer. New England defeats FC Cincinnati last 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:15.900 night 3-2 as New England clinches. 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:20.070 A playoff spot with that victory. Doesn't miss a beat. 0:17:20.290 --> 0:17:21.890 Keeps right on rocking and rolling. 0:17:23.470 --> 0:17:25.129 I guarantee that thing is going to be worn out 0:17:25.150 --> 0:17:28.750 during the Stooges report today at 1.30 and 2.30. 0:17:28.750 --> 0:17:31.550 No question about it. Ooh, baby got gas. 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.560 There's a belch in the middle of the sportscast because 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:35.770 sometimes it just sneaks out. 0:17:36.140 --> 0:17:37.750 I've been doing this for a while. I don't think 0:17:37.790 --> 0:17:38.850 I've ever had that happen. 0:17:38.869 --> 0:17:42.629 I don't think I've ever just randomly, like in the 0:17:42.650 --> 0:17:44.050 middle of a sentence, kind of belched. 0:17:44.130 --> 0:17:45.600 Maybe I have, just kind of forgot it. 0:17:48.170 --> 0:17:48.540 I don't know. 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:52.240 The question, what was he eating before he did that sport? 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:53.020 I don't know. 0:17:53.220 --> 0:17:53.600 I don't know. 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:55.400 I know what he didn't do, though. 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.600 Yesterday, our friends at Dorothy Lane Market in Mason dropped 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:00.879 off some food for us here at the station. 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:01.740 It's always appreciated. 0:18:02.450 --> 0:18:05.840 And it was sushi. And definitely, definitely, Willie was funny. 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.660 He wouldn't, he'd look at it like, well, I don't know. 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.000 I got to have a cheeseburger. So there was like 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.399 10 of us just crushing. And it's absolutely fantastic. So 0:18:13.420 --> 0:18:15.510 Dorothy Lane Market, if you're not familiar, of course, they 0:18:15.550 --> 0:18:18.370 have them in Dayton. And the first location in Cincinnati 0:18:18.390 --> 0:18:20.990 down here in Mason. If you are a food person, 0:18:21.030 --> 0:18:23.290 if you enjoy eating really, really good food, I don't, 0:18:23.490 --> 0:18:25.870 and honestly, I'm not saying this just because they brought 0:18:25.890 --> 0:18:31.460 stuff in. I shop there and I, I don't think 0:18:31.500 --> 0:18:34.919 I've ever had anything like that was just OK. Everything 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:36.700 is better than unicorn farts. 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:38.820 I mean, honestly, it is. It's unbelievable. 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:44.200 So yesterday, Catherine and Chef Christine brought in sushi and 0:18:44.220 --> 0:18:46.220 they have a she's the director of sushi operations. They 0:18:46.260 --> 0:18:48.530 actually have a sushi director. So if you like it, 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:52.220 which I do, I mean, there's only things I don't 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.740 really eat. I'm not like I can't do like hard 0:18:54.770 --> 0:18:59.840 boiled eggs. um eggs over easy fried eggs like i 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:01.560 do an omelet with a lot of hot sauce on 0:19:01.619 --> 0:19:04.620 it okay just that that is i think the only 0:19:04.700 --> 0:19:09.159 food aversion i think i have um so i i 0:19:09.420 --> 0:19:11.479 enjoy it and it is as good as you would 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:13.140 get in any restaurant so maybe you're out and about 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.480 you're doing your shopping you pop by try their sushi 0:19:15.660 --> 0:19:20.140 it is incredible so they do party trays um they 0:19:20.180 --> 0:19:22.950 make it in-house every single day they have experts at 0:19:22.970 --> 0:19:25.869 all locations the tuna is a salmon and it's all 0:19:25.930 --> 0:19:30.080 fresh it's all incredible and the hawaiian tuna bowl poke 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:32.879 bowl was amazing so and they have a build your 0:19:32.900 --> 0:19:36.090 own poke bar too and mason so you pop in 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.070 for lunch and maybe it's not that but they have 0:19:38.190 --> 0:19:40.090 plenty of other things to eat and do there you 0:19:40.109 --> 0:19:41.830 can even get a steak cooked right there for you 0:19:42.030 --> 0:19:45.590 i'm not lying a bone-in aged bone-in ribeye you can 0:19:45.630 --> 0:19:47.870 eat in the store they'll cook it for you you 0:19:47.890 --> 0:19:49.409 pick everything the sides all that and do it for 0:19:49.430 --> 0:19:51.380 you but the sushi is phenomenal. Thanks to our friends 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:53.240 at Dorothy Lane Market. Keep in mind, maybe you've got 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:56.640 some parties coming up, either Halloween or, you know, holiday 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:58.359 parties are going to be fast approaching as well. You 0:19:58.380 --> 0:20:01.460 need some catering done. Keep Dorothy Lane Market in mind. Again, 0:20:01.500 --> 0:20:05.800 it's DLM. Thanks to Dorothy Lane. And also going on 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:09.369 this morning is a I don't know, the story, it 0:20:09.450 --> 0:20:12.330 just keeps getting worse and worse and worse relative to 0:20:13.850 --> 0:20:17.220 what's happening on college campuses and rapes and things. I 0:20:17.260 --> 0:20:19.280 want to get into that case coming up in just 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.780 a few here on 700 WW Scott Sloan Show. Also 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:26.060 on the way, we've got Steve Gooden coming up later 0:20:26.100 --> 0:20:28.740 on in the morning about the Rodney Hinton case and 0:20:28.790 --> 0:20:32.670 what the defense, and if they actually made their case yesterday, 0:20:32.690 --> 0:20:34.690 because they wrapped, they're going to go back and forth 0:20:34.710 --> 0:20:37.260 for a while on this, but Primarily he admitted to saying, yeah, 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:39.580 he had to swerve to hit Deputy Larry Henderson, which 0:20:39.619 --> 0:20:42.080 to me, I look at that and go, boy, that 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:46.460 doesn't really prove to me that he was under such 0:20:46.530 --> 0:20:50.750 severe emotional and not guilty by reason of insanity that 0:20:50.790 --> 0:20:53.030 you could– you look at it and go, okay, I'm 0:20:53.050 --> 0:20:55.730 going to swerve to deliberately hit this guy. Like I 0:20:55.770 --> 0:20:59.630 don't know. Boy, if I'm in the jury, I'm sitting 0:20:59.650 --> 0:21:01.609 there listening to this going, kind of sounds like he 0:21:01.630 --> 0:21:03.169 knew what he was doing. Like he had time to 0:21:03.230 --> 0:21:06.189 contemplate this. Anyway, Steve, a little bit later on the 0:21:06.210 --> 0:21:10.210 show on 700WW. Weekend's coming up, fast approaching. Here's a 0:21:10.230 --> 0:21:16.930 question for you. Who decides your family Sunday? So this 0:21:17.010 --> 0:21:21.290 is interesting. Parents of kids age 5 to 17, for them, 0:21:22.490 --> 0:21:25.170 if you look at the participation rates for a religion, 0:21:25.290 --> 0:21:29.070 Sunday religious participation fell, and this is over the last decade, 0:21:29.510 --> 0:21:31.619 from 26, well, we'll call it 27%, to. 0:21:35.980 --> 0:21:40.240 Under 17 percent in less than 10 years and largely 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:46.780 it's because youth sports participation went up 58 percent uh 0:21:47.380 --> 0:21:50.180 in in 10 years so if you look at who 0:21:50.330 --> 0:21:53.750 is dictating what you do on sunday largely it's your 0:21:53.850 --> 0:21:57.150 league commissioner that is doing that as opposed to your 0:21:57.190 --> 0:22:01.290 parish priest we have this as you know a huge 0:22:01.410 --> 0:22:04.110 youth sports boom in the united states and it's now 0:22:04.270 --> 0:22:06.699 reshaping our lives it's for to talk about something that 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:09.220 we that's under the radar that's reshaped our lives and 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:13.080 certainly in my lifetime which has been a while but 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:15.580 even the last 20 years because there is so much 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:17.740 money tied into it and you could say well it's 0:22:17.780 --> 0:22:20.550 because of sports betting it's because of the constant in 0:22:20.590 --> 0:22:24.389 your face you know espn has um democratized sports to 0:22:24.410 --> 0:22:26.950 the point where every clip every play everything is replayed 0:22:26.990 --> 0:22:29.810 over and over it it changed how officials do their 0:22:29.850 --> 0:22:33.449 jobs by having things like replay because You know, if 0:22:33.830 --> 0:22:35.570 an official blows a call, they're going to show this 0:22:35.750 --> 0:22:38.470 on repeat over and over and over and over again, 0:22:38.470 --> 0:22:41.660 24 hours a day until something else happens in sports. 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:43.639 And so they had to adapt to the rule changes 0:22:43.700 --> 0:22:46.500 in baseball and everything else. It's not just one thing. 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:47.080 It's everything. 0:22:48.359 --> 0:22:51.040 And the Internet has, of course, lit that on fire. 0:22:51.060 --> 0:22:53.209 That was a CSPN on cable. And now, you know, 0:22:53.230 --> 0:22:55.590 you get those clips steadily on your phone all the time. 0:22:56.290 --> 0:22:58.149 And so now there's so much money in sports and 0:22:58.190 --> 0:23:01.209 we keep seeing the NFL and, you know, look at MLB, right? 0:23:01.630 --> 0:23:03.570 There's another contract coming up. There may be a lockout 0:23:04.090 --> 0:23:05.890 once again in Major League Baseball. And this always has 0:23:05.910 --> 0:23:08.770 to do with money and piece of the pie, share 0:23:08.790 --> 0:23:10.969 the pie. There's tons of money to go around. And 0:23:10.990 --> 0:23:12.730 a lot of people see this and see how much 0:23:12.810 --> 0:23:15.229 athletes are making when you start signing record contracts. And 0:23:15.380 --> 0:23:17.879 every time an athlete signs a contract, it's a record 0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:20.460 and how much money they're making. And naturally, parents see 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:23.040 this as, hey, my kid can be pretty good at this. And, 0:23:23.740 --> 0:23:25.899 you know, he or she is set for the rest 0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:27.960 of their generation. We've done that now with women's sports. 0:23:29.300 --> 0:23:31.380 And so it just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger. 0:23:31.420 --> 0:23:37.450 So naturally, people look at this and go, yeah, all right, 0:23:37.910 --> 0:23:40.150 I'm in. My kid likes to play this particular sport. 0:23:40.170 --> 0:23:42.129 They're good at it. Maybe they can get a scholarship. 0:23:42.630 --> 0:23:48.830 Maybe they can become professional and have life-changing money. In 0:23:48.869 --> 0:23:50.629 addition to that, you have the pressure then because you 0:23:50.670 --> 0:23:52.629 have coaches, you have trainers. I mean, I see ads 0:23:52.650 --> 0:23:55.709 all the time for baseball training or conditioning, and these 0:23:55.770 --> 0:23:59.790 are for adolescent athletes. And something he has to give 0:23:59.810 --> 0:24:02.369 because you only have 24 hours in a day. And 0:24:02.410 --> 0:24:05.689 for generations, churches helped organize American family life around the 0:24:05.770 --> 0:24:09.450 weekly ritual of going to church. Youth sports are filling 0:24:09.470 --> 0:24:10.990 that role on Sunday. I had to say for a 0:24:11.010 --> 0:24:15.169 lot of families that youth sports has become the new church. 0:24:16.470 --> 0:24:19.090 I'm not saying you can't attend church or, you know, 0:24:19.130 --> 0:24:23.350 be prayerful and religious and spiritual and not play sports. 0:24:23.710 --> 0:24:26.250 What I'm saying is, you know, actually physically showing up 0:24:26.270 --> 0:24:30.780 because that was important a generation ago. Literally, my wife's 0:24:30.820 --> 0:24:35.399 mom and dad, their front row mass, 7.30 a.m. every day. 0:24:35.420 --> 0:24:38.419 It used to be every Sunday. And every question, did 0:24:38.440 --> 0:24:39.620 you go to church? Where did you go to church? 0:24:39.780 --> 0:24:40.280 You go to church. 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:43.200 And now it's all been replaced. I'm sure there are 0:24:43.220 --> 0:24:45.100 families out there still do that, but that's been largely 0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:50.369 replaced by sports. And it also has changed our social circles. 0:24:51.430 --> 0:24:54.350 Immigrants come to this country and may not know the 0:24:54.390 --> 0:24:58.030 language that well. My people are Italian, but Certainly you 0:24:58.070 --> 0:25:00.330 have other religions out there. These Becky's now are going 0:25:00.350 --> 0:25:05.040 through this. And you have a, you know, your community 0:25:05.060 --> 0:25:07.560 is kind of fragmented. There's not many of you. And 0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:10.179 so what do you do in the old world? The 0:25:10.220 --> 0:25:12.699 old people come over from the old country. And it's 0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:15.520 true today. They will build a church. You build a 0:25:15.540 --> 0:25:17.960 place of worship because that is not just a place 0:25:18.010 --> 0:25:22.230 of worship. It's a place where people of the same culture, languages, 0:25:22.290 --> 0:25:24.609 traditions and all that stuff can get together under the 0:25:24.650 --> 0:25:26.950 roof and feel, you know, kind of like their home. 0:25:29.350 --> 0:25:32.370 That's the lure of that. But I think, honestly, youth 0:25:32.410 --> 0:25:35.090 sports has replaced that. If you look at, you know, 0:25:35.230 --> 0:25:38.530 if you have kids that played sports, look at how 0:25:38.770 --> 0:25:42.450 your social circles change. In the past, it would be, okay, 0:25:42.470 --> 0:25:46.210 you're born in a neighborhood like Westside, for example. Okay, yeah, 0:25:46.290 --> 0:25:48.110 my grandfather went to elder. My dad went to elder. 0:25:48.210 --> 0:25:49.689 I went to elder. My kids are going to go 0:25:49.710 --> 0:25:51.790 to elder. We're elder people. We live in the neighborhood. 0:25:51.810 --> 0:25:52.230 We're close. 0:25:52.650 --> 0:25:56.109 That's your community, right? And it's built around religion, but 0:25:56.130 --> 0:25:59.110 it's also built around sports. And in most other places, 0:26:00.450 --> 0:26:02.930 What's happened is that it's no longer the church that 0:26:03.050 --> 0:26:05.970 is the center of your life. It is your sports 0:26:06.170 --> 0:26:09.209 because you spend how many days a week with your 0:26:09.260 --> 0:26:11.620 kids at practices, right? 0:26:12.060 --> 0:26:12.890 At tournaments. 0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:17.679 And then they, you know, the kids travel and if 0:26:17.700 --> 0:26:20.260 you're a travel sport parent, you know what I'm talking about? 0:26:20.300 --> 0:26:23.100 You stay in a hotel, you hang out. This becomes 0:26:23.140 --> 0:26:27.580 your social circle. This becomes your friends. Whereas it used 0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:32.470 to be the church. And you also factor in the, 0:26:32.490 --> 0:26:37.060 you know, the youth sports industrial complex is so commercialized. Now, 0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:39.540 private equity is involved in this now, too. And you've 0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:43.620 got these huge tournament complexes and, you know, normalizations actually 0:26:43.660 --> 0:26:46.609 become an expectation that if you're any good, you're going 0:26:46.630 --> 0:26:49.750 to travel out of state to play. So, you know, 0:26:49.770 --> 0:26:51.270 you start off in a rec league and they move 0:26:51.290 --> 0:26:53.710 the club and then it's travel and then it's weekend tournaments. 0:26:53.770 --> 0:26:55.790 And next thing you know, you're spending all this money 0:26:56.470 --> 0:27:01.260 on hotels and travel and uniforms and, costs for participation 0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:06.900 and such. And it's basketball, baseball, football, volleyball, soccer, you know, 0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:09.859 all these weekend tournaments. I mean, up where I'm in, 0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:12.659 you look at, I don't know, go out to Westchester, 0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:15.100 for example, at the Voice of America, where our tower is. 0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:19.270 And there's massive soccer complex every Friday, Saturday, Sunday, even 0:27:19.290 --> 0:27:22.850 during the week. There's a lot of people there participating 0:27:22.890 --> 0:27:24.850 in tournaments. Of course, it's good for the hotel industry. 0:27:24.869 --> 0:27:27.990 It's good for the restaurants. And all that money stays local. 0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:30.460 and so why would you not lean into that? It 0:27:30.500 --> 0:27:33.260 does more economic impact than a church does. Now, you 0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:37.300 go to church because of spiritual enlightenment and having some 0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:40.880 understanding and purpose and a moral compass, but the reality 0:27:40.940 --> 0:27:43.740 is that the sports is a bigger draw. The average 0:27:43.770 --> 0:27:46.970 sports parent spends almost three and a half hours every 0:27:47.030 --> 0:27:49.730 day their child has a practice or game, and that's driving, 0:27:50.270 --> 0:27:54.530 that's activities, that's washing uniforms, meals, coaches, training, all that 0:27:54.570 --> 0:27:57.360 stuff goes in, but Average person, three and a half 0:27:57.400 --> 0:28:00.290 hours every day they have a practice or a game. 0:28:00.369 --> 0:28:02.649 And I know kids, and I'm sure you may have 0:28:02.670 --> 0:28:05.730 them as well, that are practicing five days at least 0:28:05.790 --> 0:28:08.610 a week. And I know kids are doing like seven 0:28:08.630 --> 0:28:08.990 days a week. 0:28:09.010 --> 0:28:09.450 They love it. 0:28:10.170 --> 0:28:13.010 So maybe you have four nights of practices during the 0:28:13.050 --> 0:28:14.859 week and then a couple of games or tournaments on 0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:18.500 the weekend, and that's all you're doing. And the average 0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:21.740 sports family now spends over $ 1, 000 on a primary sport 0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:24.980 that's up 46% in the last decade. 0:28:25.310 --> 0:28:28.890 That is insane. And that's getting off easy. 0:28:28.890 --> 0:28:29.190 $ 1, 000. 0:28:28.990 --> 0:28:32.010 I know parents who spend like $ 40, 000 a year in 0:28:32.109 --> 0:28:35.750 travel and all this stuff. That's a sizable portion of 0:28:35.770 --> 0:28:38.450 your income going to use sports. And so when the 0:28:38.490 --> 0:28:44.040 study comes out that says that among parents– of kids 0:28:44.100 --> 0:28:47.760 ages 5 to 17 that Sunday religious participation has dropped 0:28:47.860 --> 0:28:50.760 precipitously in the last decade, you go, why would that be? 0:28:50.820 --> 0:28:54.780 Is it because of the abuse scandals? What's driving this thing? 0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:57.530 And that may be part of it. But I think 0:28:57.550 --> 0:29:02.930 the biggest thing is the huge explosion in sports participation. 0:29:05.090 --> 0:29:07.970 And it seems like, at least my argument here, it 0:29:08.030 --> 0:29:12.400 all really fits together. Now, I'm sure if you're religious, yeah, 0:29:12.500 --> 0:29:15.360 and sure, there are plenty of teams, plenty of parents 0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:18.190 and families that also prioritize religion. I'm not saying you 0:29:18.230 --> 0:29:20.709 have both. You can travel and go to a Catholic 0:29:20.730 --> 0:29:24.730 church somewhere else pretty easily. Or if you're playing it down, 0:29:24.770 --> 0:29:26.830 the other problem is there are scheduled games at these 0:29:26.870 --> 0:29:31.200 times that some families are doing. Well, maybe we can 0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:34.080 do it on Thursday at our home parish, and then 0:29:34.100 --> 0:29:35.650 we're going to be traveling in. So you know, we 0:29:35.690 --> 0:29:37.460 kind of get it in, but we don't. Or you 0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:40.880 can do Zoom. I mean, a lot of these masses 0:29:40.980 --> 0:29:43.680 are offered on Zoom. Maybe not Catholic as much, but 0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:46.400 certainly if you're not Catholic, and that will also be 0:29:46.420 --> 0:29:51.430 the appeal of a lot of these churches that have 0:29:51.490 --> 0:29:53.310 popped up, sprung up in recent years. You know, the 0:29:53.350 --> 0:29:55.390 crosswords of the world is that, you know, it's like, hey, 0:29:55.430 --> 0:29:56.690 if you don't make it this week, we get it. 0:29:58.160 --> 0:29:59.880 Whereas Catholic Mass, you know, it's a sin if you 0:29:59.920 --> 0:30:02.850 don't go to Mass on Sunday. That may also be 0:30:02.890 --> 0:30:04.969 part of it as well. Now, if you don't have 0:30:05.530 --> 0:30:07.770 kids who are sporty, you probably don't have to worry 0:30:07.790 --> 0:30:10.170 about this as much. And maybe you can balance out. 0:30:10.210 --> 0:30:11.590 But at large, I think that's it. It's like, hey, 0:30:11.610 --> 0:30:14.130 I have only so many hours a day. We live 0:30:14.150 --> 0:30:16.229 vicariously with our children. We've got a lot invested. They 0:30:16.250 --> 0:30:18.150 love to play sports. All their friends are there. Our 0:30:18.190 --> 0:30:20.890 friends are now that. And now sports, youth sports, has 0:30:20.930 --> 0:30:24.650 become the new church, part of the evolution of America. 0:30:25.090 --> 0:30:28.989 Scott Sloan with more just ahead. 700 WLW. Well, just 0:30:29.030 --> 0:30:32.130 kind of overcasty kind of day. It's going to be 0:30:32.170 --> 0:30:34.410 weird tomorrow. It's going to be sunny, but temperatures are 0:30:34.430 --> 0:30:36.860 going to fall to the 50s. Bottom fall amount here 0:30:36.900 --> 0:30:39.710 heading towards fall for sure. And, you know, when you 0:30:39.730 --> 0:30:42.550 see the pumpkins and the Halloween costumes and candy out, 0:30:42.590 --> 0:30:44.070 you know it's that time of year. This is what 0:30:44.110 --> 0:30:47.060 we wind up getting. Coming up next, Zachary Marshall's here. 0:30:47.170 --> 0:30:50.060 He's with a group called Campus Reform Ohio. Ohio first 0:30:50.260 --> 0:30:53.840 in the United States to offer three-year degree programs. A 0:30:53.940 --> 0:30:55.780 sign of the times. You're going, well, what do they do? 0:30:55.820 --> 0:30:56.840 They just pack it all in? 0:30:56.920 --> 0:30:57.180 No. 0:30:57.700 --> 0:31:01.100 Basically what you're saying is, if I'm not mistaken, okay, 0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:02.480 we need a three-year degree program. 0:31:02.500 --> 0:31:02.740 Why? 0:31:03.100 --> 0:31:06.300 Well, college costs a lot of money, and, you know, 0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:07.719 people want to get on with their lives. So can 0:31:07.740 --> 0:31:10.530 we just do this in three years? Which begs the question, then, 0:31:10.550 --> 0:31:14.230 as someone who's been through the system going, so basically 0:31:14.290 --> 0:31:17.040 you're wasting a year of my time right now. If 0:31:17.060 --> 0:31:20.340 you have a four-year degree now, this doesn't apply to STEMs. 0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:24.980 If you're in the sciences, if you're going to become 0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:29.410 a lawyer, a doctor, certainly an accountant, you want that. 0:31:29.910 --> 0:31:30.050 But. 0:31:30.530 --> 0:31:32.930 You know, most degree programs out there, special liberal arts ones, 0:31:33.190 --> 0:31:34.370 do you really need four years of this? 0:31:34.390 --> 0:31:35.410 And why do we have four? 0:31:35.450 --> 0:31:37.380 So what basically you're saying is you're paying for an 0:31:37.410 --> 0:31:40.040 entire year of BS you don't need. That's the way 0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:43.320 I look at it, which I kind of knew when 0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:45.760 I went to school. Why do I have to know 0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:47.660 all this stuff? This is a plus. 0:31:47.780 --> 0:31:49.140 Well, you need to be more well-rounded. 0:31:49.860 --> 0:31:51.460 Yeah, am I well-rounded or I just got to pay 0:31:51.500 --> 0:31:54.560 for some tenured professor and his staff and Yeah, I 0:31:54.580 --> 0:31:55.360 think that's what's going on. 0:31:55.380 --> 0:31:56.420 Kind of a shakedown, right? 0:31:56.580 --> 0:31:59.820 So, well, because the collapse of college, the interest in 0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:03.900 college is declining, what's happening now is just that, that 0:32:03.940 --> 0:32:05.050 they're going to have to come up with new and 0:32:05.070 --> 0:32:07.890 imaginary ways to get people to go. And a three-year 0:32:07.930 --> 0:32:10.710 school in Ohio sounds like a good deal to me. 0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:12.780 First in the country to offer them. We'll get to 0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:15.900 that more ahead with Zach next on the home of 0:32:15.940 --> 0:32:18.650 the best Bengals coverage, 700-WWW-CINCINNATI. 0:32:19.330 --> 0:32:25.630 Now, here's your chance to win $ 1, 000. 0:32:22.710 --> 0:32:25.410 Just enter this nationwide keyword on our website. 0:32:25.610 --> 0:32:27.120 Bills. That's Bills. 0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:34.410 Enter it now. Scott's Long Show here on 700 WLW. 0:32:34.870 --> 0:32:35.270 College. 0:32:35.850 --> 0:32:37.190 We beat the hell out of college all the time. 0:32:37.210 --> 0:32:39.530 What if you could finish college in three years instead 0:32:39.570 --> 0:32:42.190 of four? And, of course, you know, there's a number 0:32:42.290 --> 0:32:45.180 of very, very smart, very high-performing individuals that can do 0:32:45.220 --> 0:32:47.640 that double major whole thing they've done in like four hours. 0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:49.780 The rest of us takes, in my case, like 11 0:32:49.780 --> 0:32:52.600 years to get that degree. But, you know, for most, 0:32:52.660 --> 0:32:55.020 if you could do three instead of a four-year program, 0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:57.810 make it a three-year program, that cuts down, what, 25% 0:32:57.810 --> 0:33:02.110 on the price tag? and also get to the core curricula, 0:33:02.130 --> 0:33:04.330 which you need to do to get your degree and 0:33:04.370 --> 0:33:06.310 get into the workforce, which ultimately is the goal here. 0:33:06.790 --> 0:33:09.430 Virginia and Ohio, right here in the Buckeye State, we're 0:33:09.470 --> 0:33:11.810 testing this right now. This guy did it himself, and 0:33:11.830 --> 0:33:14.380 it could be the cure to cost in relevant classes. 0:33:14.430 --> 0:33:17.959 Zachary Marshall on the show with Campus Reform. He's our editor-in-chief. 0:33:17.980 --> 0:33:18.560 Zach, welcome. 0:33:18.580 --> 0:33:21.600 How are you? Great to be here. 0:33:21.740 --> 0:33:22.320 Yeah, you too. 0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:24.280 It's good talking to a smart person for a change. 0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:26.239 You can get done in three years. You did that 0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:30.479 yourself and saved like 25 percent. I know that Virginia 0:33:30.500 --> 0:33:33.480 is doing this right now. Ohio is developing a three 0:33:33.500 --> 0:33:37.550 year bachelor's degree proposal as well. And I like the idea. 0:33:37.570 --> 0:33:40.730 And it's 90 credits over three years instead of the 0:33:40.790 --> 0:33:44.210 four-year track. Of course, the critics come out and say, look, 0:33:44.510 --> 0:33:48.560 you're cutting general education requirements. That weakens this well-rounded education. 0:33:48.580 --> 0:33:51.340 It's a well-rounded, you need this well-rounded education. How do 0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:51.860 you answer that? 0:33:53.830 --> 0:33:55.630 Well, I would say this is more about cutting waste 0:33:55.690 --> 0:33:58.950 than it is about cutting education. As campus reform was 0:33:58.990 --> 0:34:02.450 reported for years, a lot of the very valuable general 0:34:02.510 --> 0:34:07.620 education requirements in history, writing, math, science have been supplanted 0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:13.500 by leftist forces and mandates that forces that have DEI-driven 0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:18.390 or anti-racism-driven curriculum. So what I'm advocating for is cutting 0:34:18.710 --> 0:34:23.290 those forces that do not help students graduate with a 0:34:23.310 --> 0:34:26.050 set of skills and knowledge base to give them gainful 0:34:26.090 --> 0:34:30.650 employment after graduation. You also really don't need that many electives. 0:34:31.730 --> 0:34:35.009 College should be a launching pad for your life and 0:34:35.070 --> 0:34:38.049 early stage career after graduation. It's not a place to 0:34:38.130 --> 0:34:40.670 find yourself. That's really more for our late 20s where 0:34:41.070 --> 0:34:43.779 we have more formative experiences. So I think there's a 0:34:43.820 --> 0:34:46.070 lot of fat to be cut and we can have 0:34:46.090 --> 0:34:49.620 a leaner, more structured college experience in three years that 0:34:49.660 --> 0:34:54.319 does not devalue or detract the amount of well-rounded education 0:34:54.420 --> 0:34:56.040 anyone needs to succeed in life. 0:34:57.100 --> 0:35:00.200 I went to school back in the day, you know, 0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:02.600 late 80s, early 90s, when all you needed was a 0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:04.069 check and a number two pencil. 0:35:04.090 --> 0:35:05.590 And they're like, OK, here you go. 0:35:06.350 --> 0:35:08.930 And I went in and, you know, kind of wide 0:35:09.050 --> 0:35:12.550 eyed and bushy tailed, ready to go. Wasn't the greatest student. 0:35:12.590 --> 0:35:14.890 So I started the summer session at the Bowling Green 0:35:14.910 --> 0:35:16.380 State University in northwest Ohio. 0:35:17.100 --> 0:35:19.340 And I go to class. I start taking this class. 0:35:19.380 --> 0:35:23.010 And it took about a semester, roughly a semester before 0:35:23.090 --> 0:35:25.370 I realized the scam that it is. So I'm looking 0:35:25.390 --> 0:35:27.490 at all these courses. I have to take the electives 0:35:27.510 --> 0:35:30.390 and the requirements. And, you know, I'm studying radio, television 0:35:30.410 --> 0:35:32.420 and film to show you how old I am. I 0:35:32.460 --> 0:35:36.500 think two of those things are dead. And nonetheless, I 0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:39.940 started taking these classes. It's sociology and it's biology. And 0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:43.759 it's I had to take two physical education electives. One 0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:46.690 was bowling and the other was whitewater rafting. And I 0:35:46.750 --> 0:35:49.190 have to pay not only the whitewater rafting company for 0:35:49.210 --> 0:35:51.930 the trip, but I got to pay the university for 0:35:51.950 --> 0:35:53.770 the for the for the class hours, even though no 0:35:53.830 --> 0:35:56.549 one taught the class. And I figured out an early 0:35:56.650 --> 0:35:59.589 age like. I see what's going on here. They are 0:35:59.690 --> 0:36:03.910 padding the curriculum with the idea and the notion that 0:36:03.930 --> 0:36:07.319 you're making you more well-rounded when, in fact, what they're 0:36:07.340 --> 0:36:10.540 doing is they're supporting a system that's just sucking off 0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:13.720 the teats of society and that you have these classes 0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:16.960 and programs that are irrelevant. And the way you keep 0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:20.000 those individuals who teach those irrelevant programs and classes in 0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:22.140 a job is you mandate that students have to take 0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:23.680 the classes. Isn't that really what's going on? 0:36:25.540 --> 0:36:28.140 Well, higher education is a business and we should not 0:36:28.180 --> 0:36:30.930 forget about that. The more students that are on campus 0:36:31.070 --> 0:36:35.000 for longer, the more money college is colleges are making. 0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:35.620 They have a. 0:36:35.620 --> 0:36:38.799 Financial interest in keeping the status quo because the more 0:36:38.860 --> 0:36:41.390 students they have, the more seats they fill in their stadiums, 0:36:41.430 --> 0:36:44.730 the more they can get out of the rent for 0:36:45.150 --> 0:36:48.710 fast food chains that occupy spaces in their dining halls, 0:36:48.730 --> 0:36:52.090 and the more money they can make indirectly or directly 0:36:52.170 --> 0:36:56.310 through these big construction projects and beautification projects on campuses 0:36:56.370 --> 0:37:00.590 in these ornate buildings. This is part of a business 0:37:00.660 --> 0:37:04.160 model that is now completely unsustainable because I think it 0:37:04.260 --> 0:37:08.240 took tuition becoming $ 100, 000 a year for people to realize 0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:10.839 what you did when you were in college, that when 0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:13.759 you're being fed something you don't need and being told 0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:16.660 that everyone needs it equally, that is a scam. 0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:18.510 There is absolute value in. 0:37:20.260 --> 0:37:24.560 higher education and rigorous academic experiences. 0:37:24.900 --> 0:37:26.520 But college is not for everyone. 0:37:27.000 --> 0:37:28.980 And we shouldn't be telling everyone they need to have 0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:31.660 the same experience as everyone else. We need to be 0:37:31.700 --> 0:37:35.339 destigmatizing alternatives to higher ed. And we need to be 0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:40.350 making them leaner and more responsive institutions that think of 0:37:40.510 --> 0:37:44.170 their students as, you know, people to mold and get 0:37:44.190 --> 0:37:46.710 out the door faster to be successful in life. 0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:49.540 We were talking to some friends this week, and they 0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:51.500 brought up, I don't know how this topic came up, 0:37:51.540 --> 0:37:53.879 but said that they're trying to find a job, can't 0:37:53.900 --> 0:37:56.320 really find a good job because they got a master's degree. 0:37:56.360 --> 0:38:00.250 And ready for this one, Zachary? Master's degree in artistic 0:38:00.550 --> 0:38:08.110 and interpretive welding. Let me say that again. Interpretive welding. Whiskey, tango, foxtrot, 0:38:08.150 --> 0:38:08.430 is that? 0:38:10.989 --> 0:38:13.700 I don't know how to respond to that because, I mean, 0:38:13.969 --> 0:38:15.450 there's demand for welders. 0:38:16.050 --> 0:38:17.720 Yes, right, go to a trade school. 0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:18.740 Welding's not an artist. 0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:21.300 I mean, this is like, actually what this reminds me 0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:23.460 of an article we just published on Campus Deform, which 0:38:23.500 --> 0:38:27.120 is that a college in North Carolina has zero students 0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:31.339 take their certificate in women in technology because I think 0:38:31.380 --> 0:38:33.180 a lot of students realize it's a scheme. It's a 0:38:33.219 --> 0:38:38.030 graduate certificate based on identity politics. The bachelor's degree had 0:38:38.050 --> 0:38:40.489 good enrollment. The master's degree had good enrollment because there's 0:38:40.530 --> 0:38:44.380 value in having tech degrees. But when you have these... 0:38:45.530 --> 0:38:49.930 feel good, you know, funny names, graduate certificate programs or 0:38:49.989 --> 0:38:55.040 novel degrees. That's where it's so transparent that this is just, 0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:56.479 you're just out there to make money. 0:38:56.500 --> 0:38:57.200 Yeah. 0:38:57.300 --> 0:38:59.700 It feels predatory to me in that you're going after young, 0:38:59.739 --> 0:39:01.580 impressionable people go, wow, that'd be a great to get 0:39:01.620 --> 0:39:02.120 in a career in this. 0:39:02.140 --> 0:39:02.259 Yeah. 0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:04.100 What's your placement rate? These are the questions you don't 0:39:04.180 --> 0:39:07.450 ask when you're 17, 18, 19 years old. But nonetheless, 0:39:07.750 --> 0:39:09.410 oh yeah, yeah, it's going to be great. Well, what's 0:39:09.450 --> 0:39:11.810 your placement? How many people are getting jobs in artistic 0:39:11.870 --> 0:39:14.630 and interpretive welding in The answer probably would be zero. 0:39:15.250 --> 0:39:16.660 Or art history. It's like, you're not going to work 0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:18.239 in an art museum. You're probably going to work as 0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:21.060 a barista. And if that's what you want to do, 0:39:21.100 --> 0:39:23.700 that's fine. But as I told my kids, don't confuse 0:39:23.739 --> 0:39:26.070 a hobby with a career. Or if you have a hobby, 0:39:26.410 --> 0:39:29.009 get a job that's going to pay you. Develop that 0:39:29.070 --> 0:39:31.500 hobby and maybe that science. hustle becomes the main gig. 0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:34.250 But you can't rely on those degrees to get to 0:39:34.290 --> 0:39:36.049 the job. You're going to need to pay back that loan. 0:39:36.070 --> 0:39:37.670 And the other element, of course, is the fact that 0:39:37.690 --> 0:39:40.590 the federal government fully backs these loans. So the government 0:39:40.610 --> 0:39:42.970 wants your money, which is why they can later in life, 0:39:43.030 --> 0:39:44.900 or for your mom, your dad, your grandma, grandpa, go 0:39:44.940 --> 0:39:46.839 after their social security, because guess what? 0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:48.779 They're like the mafia. They're like the Sopranos. 0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.279 They're like the family, La Cosa Nostra, that they're going 0:39:51.300 --> 0:39:53.800 to get their money in any way, shape, or form possible. 0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:55.960 They're going to get their money back, whether you graduate, 0:39:56.020 --> 0:39:58.050 drop out, or otherwise quit. 0:39:59.950 --> 0:40:00.930 No, you're absolutely right. 0:40:01.290 --> 0:40:04.210 And to your point about double majors, that's what I've 0:40:04.230 --> 0:40:08.239 been arguing for. you know, that people should be taking 0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:11.000 double majors and getting out as fast as possible. Not 0:40:11.020 --> 0:40:14.279 to just copy me, but because it really does help you. 0:40:14.219 --> 0:40:14.940 Succeed in life. 0:40:15.060 --> 0:40:18.120 I have a degree in cinema studies, which is a 0:40:18.140 --> 0:40:20.320 hobby of mine and a passion of mine. But I 0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:22.640 also have a degree in politics, which I am clearly 0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:23.930 using right now. 0:40:23.950 --> 0:40:25.830 You got it. 0:40:26.050 --> 0:40:28.350 But what's more is that, you know, when you look 0:40:28.390 --> 0:40:31.310 at how two majors, you know, overlap with each other 0:40:31.330 --> 0:40:33.650 and connect with each other, there's a lot of transferable 0:40:33.850 --> 0:40:34.930 skills that you can. 0:40:36.710 --> 0:40:40.660 Cultivate as far as writing, critical thinking, critical reasoning. Things 0:40:40.700 --> 0:40:43.000 that colleges don't teach anymore, but you can still get 0:40:43.060 --> 0:40:47.879 yourself by having an interdisciplinary education that's very targeted and 0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:51.200 very strategic in terms of only taking classes that will 0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:54.549 help you satisfy the major requirements as fast as possible. 0:40:55.230 --> 0:40:58.450 That's why I'm such a big proponent of the proposal 0:40:58.510 --> 0:41:04.090 Virginia and Ohio are working on to develop more three-year degree. 0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:05.240 Programs for students in both states. 0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:08.360 So people do have flexibility and they do have options 0:41:08.860 --> 0:41:10.759 without the high tuition bill. 0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:14.040 Yeah, I love the Zach Marshall campus reform. He's our 0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:14.779 editor in chief. 0:41:14.820 --> 0:41:17.239 We're talking about Ohio, one of two states, the other 0:41:17.260 --> 0:41:21.110 being Virginia, that's developing a three years bachelor's degree program 0:41:21.130 --> 0:41:22.850 and that you're going to save 25 percent off the 0:41:23.050 --> 0:41:24.910 price tag. And they're going to cut all the nonsense 0:41:24.989 --> 0:41:27.510 out or a lot of nonsense out anyway that simply 0:41:27.969 --> 0:41:30.230 makes money for the university and the government. You've got 0:41:30.250 --> 0:41:32.230 to pay back at a at a rate later on 0:41:32.270 --> 0:41:34.759 plus interest. And now you're going to cut to it 0:41:34.820 --> 0:41:36.600 and get more people in the workforce a lot quicker. 0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:38.560 And it might cut down on the dropout rate and 0:41:38.580 --> 0:41:41.060 everything else because you're not going through four years of nonsense. 0:41:41.420 --> 0:41:42.600 It's just three years of nonsense. 0:41:43.900 --> 0:41:48.790 So it's going to cost could cost, well, 25 percent less. 0:41:48.850 --> 0:41:51.250 But where does that savings actually come from? Less tuition, 0:41:51.290 --> 0:41:53.250 less housing, less time out of the workforce or all three? 0:41:55.070 --> 0:41:57.530 It's a combination of all three. I mean, if you 0:41:57.570 --> 0:42:01.300 have one less year of college, you're automatically saving 25% 0:42:01.300 --> 0:42:03.000 right off the bat from what you would have done 0:42:03.020 --> 0:42:06.760 for four years. That's also a 25% reduction in those 0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:10.840 marginal costs as far as room, board, transportation, spending money. 0:42:11.540 --> 0:42:12.900 And it's also.... 0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:15.420 You know, not even be able to just fight more 0:42:15.440 --> 0:42:19.020 than that long-term. If you look at what kind of 0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:20.980 returns you can get later in life, if you have 0:42:21.000 --> 0:42:25.219 a full-time job sooner in your twenties that, uh, you know, invest, 0:42:25.489 --> 0:42:28.669 you know, has a 401k plan or something like that, 0:42:28.710 --> 0:42:32.310 where you are starting to match contributions earlier, there's a 0:42:32.390 --> 0:42:35.310 lot of burning potential. Um, I think people are missing 0:42:35.370 --> 0:42:39.830 out on their twenties because they are not, um, getting 0:42:39.870 --> 0:42:43.910 full-time jobs that pay into an investment account for them 0:42:43.969 --> 0:42:46.570 soon enough. And I think we can have a more 0:42:46.590 --> 0:42:51.390 prosperous generation as a society if we get students away 0:42:51.410 --> 0:42:55.190 from being full-time students, get people going away from being 0:42:55.230 --> 0:42:58.870 full-time students to being employees earlier in their career. 0:42:58.890 --> 0:42:58.989 Yeah. 0:42:59.150 --> 0:42:59.350 Yeah. 0:42:59.810 --> 0:43:02.330 I think internship credit's a big part of this. I 0:43:02.390 --> 0:43:05.890 understand today it's different that interns actually get paid. because 0:43:05.950 --> 0:43:07.840 of lawsuits and everything else. But back in the day, 0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:09.940 in the 1800s, when I was in school, when I 0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:13.060 was your age, we'd do internship, radio internships, and it'd 0:43:13.140 --> 0:43:15.100 be a big thing, coveted thing to get an internship. 0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:18.040 And basically you're working for free. And then you turn around, 0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:19.580 you realize, well, wait a minute, I still have to 0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:21.500 pay the school for the credit hour. So not only 0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:24.610 am I working at technically a job where I'm not 0:43:24.650 --> 0:43:26.969 getting any money whatsoever, I now have to pay the 0:43:27.010 --> 0:43:29.930 school for the right to do that. I'm glad that's changed, 0:43:29.969 --> 0:43:31.710 but it's still, it goes to show you just how 0:43:31.810 --> 0:43:32.650 broken the system is. 0:43:32.650 --> 0:43:34.650 100%. 0:43:35.300 --> 0:43:39.569 And I would also encourage your viewers to look at 0:43:39.910 --> 0:43:43.710 where tuition is going right now. We are seeing increases 0:43:43.770 --> 0:43:48.000 across the board at public universities and private universities. We 0:43:48.060 --> 0:43:51.620 are seeing, you know, in Pennsylvania, for example, Penn State 0:43:51.780 --> 0:43:56.180 is increasing its tuition this year by 3%, but it's 0:43:56.260 --> 0:44:00.020 also on track to close seven satellite campuses because it 0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:03.529 can't match the entire system. Temple University just missed its 0:44:03.610 --> 0:44:06.670 enrollment targets this year and has to lay people off, 0:44:06.770 --> 0:44:11.629 but it's still charging about 3% more for students this year. 0:44:11.690 --> 0:44:15.990 I mean, what other business has less demand but then 0:44:16.030 --> 0:44:19.730 increases its prices? In a market economy, you only increase 0:44:19.750 --> 0:44:23.560 prices when you have demand and value. You know, higher 0:44:23.580 --> 0:44:26.180 education is greedy and it's out of the question. I 0:44:26.200 --> 0:44:27.640 think it needs the reality check. 0:44:28.340 --> 0:44:30.700 Does a three-year degree carry the same weight with employers 0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:32.779 and maybe grad schools, if you're going that route, as 0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:37.230 a traditional four-year degree? Or is that track, I guess, 0:44:37.270 --> 0:44:39.770 realistic for every major? Should it only apply to certain majors? 0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:43.439 There's always going to be exceptions to everything. I mean, 0:44:44.020 --> 0:44:47.279 when it comes to, for example, I don't think you 0:44:47.340 --> 0:44:49.820 can shorten those programs that much. 0:44:49.660 --> 0:44:53.009 Because of how much medical knowledge is necessary. But for 0:44:53.030 --> 0:44:55.509 the vast majority of majors, you can condense it to 0:44:55.530 --> 0:44:56.009 three years. 0:44:56.510 --> 0:44:59.529 And I would say that it might carry more weight 0:44:59.550 --> 0:45:05.439 with employers. Because employers like innovation and creativity. They like 0:45:05.500 --> 0:45:10.580 when students or employees show initiative and gumption. And right now, 0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:14.580 four-year degrees don't hold much water. We are seeing many employers, 0:45:14.660 --> 0:45:17.739 especially big tech firms and some state governments, like in 0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:21.520 Utah and Pennsylvania, get rid of four-year requirements for a 0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:26.070 lot of job postings because they see that college degrees 0:45:26.090 --> 0:45:29.529 are no longer the guarantee of like, good behavior and 0:45:29.570 --> 0:45:31.509 success as far as the soft skills you need to 0:45:31.530 --> 0:45:34.850 work in an office. So I think people are soldering 0:45:35.130 --> 0:45:38.799 on what a diploma actually means, but if it's reinvented 0:45:39.260 --> 0:45:43.740 or disrupted into something new, kind of that Silicon Valley 0:45:43.800 --> 0:45:47.080 outside-the-box thinking, I think they might take a second look 0:45:47.260 --> 0:45:49.030 at what a three-year degree means. 0:45:49.650 --> 0:45:54.350 Zachary Marshall with Campus Reform. What's the pushback been from 0:45:54.630 --> 0:45:58.290 universities that faculty jobs departments could shrink if students are 0:45:58.330 --> 0:46:01.279 taking fewer electives? So you need fewer courses, fewer teachers, 0:46:01.320 --> 0:46:04.660 fewer instructors, future grad assistants, all that. Is there a 0:46:04.700 --> 0:46:06.740 jobs argument against this from inside academia? 0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:11.399 There is, but I don't exactly respect it that much. 0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:14.680 I mean, it's the same argument that lamplighters made when 0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:18.520 we got the light bulb. The problem is, is that. 0:46:19.210 --> 0:46:21.770 The trend has been that every time when we have 0:46:21.790 --> 0:46:25.859 10-year professors die or retire, universities tend to replace them 0:46:25.890 --> 0:46:30.920 with adjuncts who make zero money, basically, and have to 0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:34.200 work somewhere else to make a living. So the fact 0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:36.620 that someone considers a lot of jobs out there doesn't 0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:40.239 really get the truth that it's really a lot of 0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:43.950 part-time people at the universities, and you don't need such 0:46:44.190 --> 0:46:49.470 loaded directories of faculty if you were to have fewer 0:46:49.550 --> 0:46:55.340 but better paying and more highly skilled professors teaching the 0:46:55.380 --> 0:46:56.060 courses that. 0:46:55.969 --> 0:46:56.900 Really do matter. 0:46:59.100 --> 0:47:02.399 The argument against this proposal is basically we should not 0:47:02.500 --> 0:47:04.719 change anything. This is the way we've always done it. 0:47:05.700 --> 0:47:08.370 And I don't believe in anything for a second. The 0:47:08.410 --> 0:47:13.270 calendars we have are still based on agrarian calendars when 0:47:13.290 --> 0:47:15.770 we were a nation apart. Yeah. 0:47:18.010 --> 0:47:19.670 Yeah, part of you're breaking up a little bit there, 0:47:19.690 --> 0:47:22.509 but there's some pushback here, I guess, the other side 0:47:22.530 --> 0:47:24.420 is like, well, no, this is about going after and 0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:27.740 punting things like DEI programs like this is about punishing 0:47:27.900 --> 0:47:31.630 our ideologies here as opposed to making things more efficient. 0:47:31.670 --> 0:47:32.590 How do you answer that criticism? 0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:39.100 Well, I would say that DEI is not efficient. I'm 0:47:39.260 --> 0:47:42.540 sure you're aware of all the requirements and courses that 0:47:42.820 --> 0:47:47.839 were introduced over the last five years. The problem is 0:47:47.900 --> 0:47:50.570 that the academic year doesn't expand. So they had to 0:47:50.780 --> 0:47:55.109 replace something that was much more academic, intellectual in nature. 0:47:55.550 --> 0:47:58.149 So there's a lot of new stuff that isn't part 0:47:58.190 --> 0:48:01.549 of the traditional mission of higher ed that can be 0:48:01.790 --> 0:48:04.330 gotten rid of. Those are new things that haven't always 0:48:04.350 --> 0:48:07.470 been around. higher ed needs to go back to basics 0:48:07.550 --> 0:48:09.989 and cut some of the ideological fat out of it. 0:48:10.070 --> 0:48:15.860 We should have depoliticized and institutionally neutral universities teaching students 0:48:16.140 --> 0:48:19.880 both sides of every argument and giving them a liberal education, 0:48:19.900 --> 0:48:23.710 not trying to turn them into activists. 0:48:23.750 --> 0:48:25.989 Does this then mean the death of elective classes or 0:48:26.030 --> 0:48:26.890 there still be room for that? 0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:30.100 There's room for it because I think there's always going 0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:32.739 to be some room for growth and curiosity. But you 0:48:32.780 --> 0:48:36.420 really don't need that many. I think the amount of 0:48:36.440 --> 0:48:40.089 electives a student needs is really overplayed. I took one 0:48:40.130 --> 0:48:44.190 elective in college and I was able to get my 0:48:44.210 --> 0:48:47.250 two degrees in three and a half years. I think 0:48:47.550 --> 0:48:50.759 this is another scheme of the colleges to find more 0:48:50.780 --> 0:48:56.660 courses to... get paid for. You also don't have to 0:48:56.719 --> 0:48:58.739 declare a major by the end of sophomore year as 0:48:58.820 --> 0:49:01.900 a standard practice. There's no reason why you can't require 0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:04.399 students to declare a major by the end of freshman year. 0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:08.299 These are arbitrary deadlines and customs that can be easily changed. 0:49:09.180 --> 0:49:11.009 I would say this too, in the advent of the 0:49:11.070 --> 0:49:14.570 digital age, we are more open to seeing and learning. 0:49:14.630 --> 0:49:15.640 And it used to be, you know, you have to 0:49:15.739 --> 0:49:18.180 read books on this. Now I can watch videos and such. 0:49:18.820 --> 0:49:20.799 Some of those things that are electives could easily be 0:49:20.860 --> 0:49:24.880 learned online. If you're so inclined to learn those quote 0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:26.800 unquote hobbies or things you might want to do as 0:49:26.820 --> 0:49:30.790 a career, it's easier than ever before. This is the golden, 0:49:30.810 --> 0:49:33.310 if not the platinum age of information. It's at our 0:49:33.350 --> 0:49:37.469 fingertips all the time, nonstop. And now the idea of 0:49:37.489 --> 0:49:39.270 taking a class to teach me how to do something 0:49:39.310 --> 0:49:41.509 I could learn in a few minutes online is ridiculous. 0:49:43.130 --> 0:49:45.870 Yeah, I'm sure there's some, you know, artistic welding class 0:49:45.989 --> 0:49:47.770 on YouTube. 0:49:47.090 --> 0:49:48.170 That someone can take. 0:49:48.250 --> 0:49:51.190 Or you just become a regular welder and then it's like, oh, 0:49:51.210 --> 0:49:52.290 I also like to do art. 0:49:52.350 --> 0:49:53.870 And then you do that as a side hustle. It 0:49:53.910 --> 0:49:56.210 doesn't seem like a master's in that. It's absurd. 0:49:56.270 --> 0:50:00.150 Anyway, we're doing it in Ohio and that's good. And 0:50:00.350 --> 0:50:03.549 hopefully this spreads across the country. Three-year degree. Seems to 0:50:03.570 --> 0:50:06.420 be the way to go. Zachary Marshall at Campus Reform. 0:50:06.460 --> 0:50:08.100 He's their editor-in-chief. Thanks again for the time. 0:50:08.219 --> 0:50:08.560 Thank you. 0:50:08.660 --> 0:50:10.860 Fortunately, he was able to play last week, but we 0:50:10.900 --> 0:50:13.279 know Jamar Chase and can crush in protocol, and our 0:50:13.300 --> 0:50:14.839 fingers are crossed, and he made it back, and they 0:50:14.860 --> 0:50:16.160 won the game, and now you've got a bye week. 0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:16.640 It's all good. 0:50:17.690 --> 0:50:20.010 You know, head injury thing. You have kids playing sports, 0:50:20.070 --> 0:50:22.690 maybe even yourself. Um, there've been times where I got 0:50:22.730 --> 0:50:25.130 hit in the head doing, you know, construction work and, uh, 0:50:25.330 --> 0:50:26.830 thought I was okay. Maybe I had a concussion. 0:50:26.870 --> 0:50:27.270 I don't know. 0:50:27.290 --> 0:50:30.129 We'll rehash that topic too. Uh, coming up with, uh, 0:50:30.230 --> 0:50:33.219 Sanjay Shaver Kamarni, our resident fitness health, and of course, 0:50:33.410 --> 0:50:34.360 emergency room physician. 0:50:34.380 --> 0:50:35.160 That's next on the show. 0:50:35.160 --> 0:50:35.419 700 WLW. 0:50:35.460 --> 0:50:41.540 Kamarni, our resident ER physician, and also health, food, fitness, 0:50:41.620 --> 0:50:44.040 and more at Dine Well Doc. All sorts of it. 0:50:44.060 --> 0:50:45.900 He's all over the place. He does like medical stuff. 0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:49.490 He does, uh, Food reviews. What else are you going 0:50:49.510 --> 0:50:50.910 to do? You're going to do some, I don't know, 0:50:50.930 --> 0:50:51.530 DIY stuff? 0:50:51.590 --> 0:50:51.790 What? 0:50:52.110 --> 0:50:53.989 No, the DIY for the smarter people. 0:50:54.030 --> 0:50:54.750 It's not smarter. 0:50:54.810 --> 0:50:58.110 It's smarter because they're going to have a job in 0:50:58.110 --> 0:50:59.290 10 years, and I probably won't. 0:50:59.330 --> 0:51:02.739 Yeah, but you know what? I fix stuff. You fix people. 0:51:03.060 --> 0:51:06.960 There's more money in that. It's maybe more stressful, though, 0:51:06.980 --> 0:51:08.920 I suppose. Well, you fix the stuff that gives people stress. 0:51:09.200 --> 0:51:09.739 Correct. 0:51:09.800 --> 0:51:12.180 So we're all helping everyone. I got you. 0:51:12.420 --> 0:51:16.390 Sanjay's here at Diamond Duck, also at Revive Strength in Oakley. 0:51:18.110 --> 0:51:20.609 This turned out to be nothing, but it's always something, right? 0:51:20.630 --> 0:51:22.330 Jamar Chase goes down with an injury. It's like, oh, 0:51:22.350 --> 0:51:23.210 my God, it's a concussion. 0:51:23.410 --> 0:51:25.890 Right. We start flipping out, like, because, you know, that 0:51:25.910 --> 0:51:28.630 could be weeks. It could be a while. He was fine. 0:51:28.690 --> 0:51:29.669 He played the next game. 0:51:29.690 --> 0:51:32.640 But we, you know, when it comes to national football, 0:51:32.660 --> 0:51:35.980 for a long time, concussions, not that they've fixed it entirely, but. 0:51:36.260 --> 0:51:38.580 Seems like we're talking less about it now. Has it 0:51:38.620 --> 0:51:39.080 gotten better? 0:51:39.100 --> 0:51:43.220 I think we're talking less because we have better guardrails. 0:51:43.300 --> 0:51:46.239 So people aren't putting themselves in that situation to get 0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:48.919 injured again because there's a lot of eyes on them 0:51:49.239 --> 0:51:51.239 to make sure that there's not an injury on top 0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:54.140 of an injury. So we've gone from having no one 0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:56.640 on the sideline looking at this to now multiple people 0:51:57.650 --> 0:52:01.290 looking at the players and seeing if a head injury 0:52:01.350 --> 0:52:04.879 has occurred online. at any time on any play. So, 0:52:05.140 --> 0:52:06.660 you know, they're in the booth, they're also on the 0:52:06.700 --> 0:52:08.940 field and, and there are more eyes on it. So 0:52:08.980 --> 0:52:11.080 I think that's probably more of it. I think there 0:52:11.100 --> 0:52:13.700 was something like last year, there was about 30 on 0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:19.069 field evaluations per week on average in the NFL. So 0:52:19.710 --> 0:52:22.210 for concussions. So, you know, it's still, it's still happening, 0:52:22.230 --> 0:52:24.670 but I think because we're more mindful of it and 0:52:24.830 --> 0:52:27.830 the league has taken action on to protect the players 0:52:28.410 --> 0:52:31.430 against a concussion, but also a repeat injury, we're seeing 0:52:31.489 --> 0:52:31.770 it less. 0:52:32.010 --> 0:52:34.090 Yeah, and they spot these. For example, I think his 0:52:34.110 --> 0:52:35.630 face mask was twisted and he hit the ground at 0:52:35.650 --> 0:52:38.989 the same time. What's happening inside your brain in a 0:52:39.010 --> 0:52:40.690 play like that? 0:52:40.710 --> 0:52:43.030 A lot of people think, well, to have a concussion, 0:52:43.390 --> 0:52:46.220 you have to lose consciousness. Now, we know that that 0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:48.960 is not a thing. It's basically because of injury to 0:52:48.980 --> 0:52:51.400 the brain. That's all we're saying, but it's microscopic injury 0:52:51.420 --> 0:52:53.560 to the brain that we can't see on any imaging 0:52:53.580 --> 0:52:56.980 of any sort. But basically, what happens is because of 0:52:57.040 --> 0:53:00.339 a force, a sudden force against the brain, the brain 0:53:00.380 --> 0:53:04.439 gets jostled. You have your brain, you have a little 0:53:04.500 --> 0:53:06.980 fluid and lining around it, and then you have the skull. 0:53:07.040 --> 0:53:10.040 So it's the brain twisting and banging around in the 0:53:10.080 --> 0:53:14.020 skull that injures the cells inside the brain. And that 0:53:14.239 --> 0:53:18.299 actually releases this burst of activity real quick. But after 0:53:18.340 --> 0:53:21.340 that burst, we have cellular injury. So the brain cells 0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:24.270 are injured. And then the concussion is that time of 0:53:24.450 --> 0:53:27.650 healing where, you know, there's a lot of energy devoted 0:53:27.700 --> 0:53:30.340 to healing. So there's not a lot of energy available 0:53:30.400 --> 0:53:34.279 for higher processing. And for reasons that we're still trying 0:53:34.300 --> 0:53:36.760 to figure out, there's less blood flow to the brain 0:53:36.800 --> 0:53:39.720 at that time while it's healing. You would want more 0:53:40.239 --> 0:53:43.359 so you could heal faster, but things are kind of askew. 0:53:43.410 --> 0:53:46.610 So because of the healing and the amount of energy 0:53:46.650 --> 0:53:49.219 that goes into that and the less blood flow, you 0:53:49.260 --> 0:53:50.500 have concussion symptoms. 0:53:50.900 --> 0:53:51.140 Okay. 0:53:51.400 --> 0:53:53.260 He walked up, he was under power, and somebody typically 0:53:53.300 --> 0:53:55.049 does that in sports. I mean, you know, it's not 0:53:55.070 --> 0:53:57.350 just your Mark Chase, but your kids play sports, things 0:53:57.370 --> 0:53:58.930 like that. Oh, he got shaken up on a play, 0:53:58.950 --> 0:54:00.730 he'll be okay. What does that tell you, though? Is 0:54:00.750 --> 0:54:04.049 it an indicator like they're much better? Obviously, you get 0:54:04.070 --> 0:54:06.510 hit with a concussion and you're out. That's a different story, but... 0:54:07.660 --> 0:54:09.029 Does it mean anything that they can get up and 0:54:09.050 --> 0:54:09.910 walk off in their own power? 0:54:10.270 --> 0:54:13.670 It is helpful. I mean, there's a better chance. If 0:54:13.710 --> 0:54:16.450 you get knocked out cold for five minutes, there's a 0:54:16.469 --> 0:54:19.049 higher chance that you're going to have a longer recovery time. 0:54:19.710 --> 0:54:22.350 But it doesn't necessarily mean you're going to bounce back quickly. 0:54:22.390 --> 0:54:24.870 There are people with mild head injuries that it takes 0:54:24.989 --> 0:54:26.860 months to get better. And there are people with severe 0:54:26.900 --> 0:54:29.980 head injuries that are back on their feet in a 0:54:30.020 --> 0:54:33.600 week and playing athletics again. So yes, there's some correlation, 0:54:33.620 --> 0:54:35.420 but it's not like 100%. 0:54:35.420 --> 0:54:37.299 Well, it's also, it's not really anything you can do. 0:54:37.920 --> 0:54:40.419 It's just a rest thing. There's no treatment for it, right? 0:54:40.560 --> 0:54:43.120 So there's some stuff. We used to tell people, and 0:54:43.140 --> 0:54:45.279 this was even early in my career. It started 20 0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:48.029 years ago. We would tell people, just sit in a 0:54:48.110 --> 0:54:49.810 dark room and just rest until this. 0:54:49.810 --> 0:54:51.589 Is all better. I remember players back in the day 0:54:51.650 --> 0:54:51.950 getting that. 0:54:52.469 --> 0:54:52.890 Exactly. 0:54:53.070 --> 0:54:55.650 Dark room, don't do anything else. But what we found 0:54:55.770 --> 0:54:58.109 is if you rest for too long, it's almost like 0:54:58.150 --> 0:55:00.180 back pain. I know you've suffered with that. I suffered 0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:02.630 with back pain in the past too. We used to 0:55:02.670 --> 0:55:05.440 say bed rest for people. This is like going back 40, 0:55:05.440 --> 0:55:08.379 50 years. Bed rest until you're better. Now we know 0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:10.779 that early mobilization is better. The same thing goes for 0:55:10.820 --> 0:55:13.839 the brain. So a day or two of rest is good, 0:55:14.020 --> 0:55:16.920 and then you want to start getting up and doing 0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:19.859 more stuff. Now, you may not want to be bedridden 0:55:19.910 --> 0:55:22.970 even for a day, but if you want to, that's okay. 0:55:23.010 --> 0:55:27.250 But just start mobilizing early. So that is a treatment. 0:55:28.170 --> 0:55:32.570 Patients that don't mobilize early usually have– more prolonged symptoms. 0:55:32.610 --> 0:55:34.790 So more than a couple of weeks. Uh, the other 0:55:34.810 --> 0:55:36.930 things you can do is, you know, one of the 0:55:36.950 --> 0:55:39.969 things patients often ask me or, or the parents of 0:55:40.200 --> 0:55:42.489 patients ask me is after a concussion, do I have 0:55:42.510 --> 0:55:45.080 to wake up my child, um, during the middle of 0:55:45.120 --> 0:55:47.219 the night? Now that's, that's kind of antiquated. We don't 0:55:47.239 --> 0:55:47.940 do that anymore. 0:55:48.239 --> 0:55:49.140 Don't let them fall asleep. 0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:49.820 Exactly. 0:55:49.840 --> 0:55:52.920 Uh, because what we also know is that sleep is 0:55:53.040 --> 0:55:54.759 one of the most important things you can do for 0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:57.660 healing during a concussion. So you don't want to wake 0:55:57.680 --> 0:56:01.090 them up unless you've been told to do otherwise, but Otherwise, 0:56:01.330 --> 0:56:04.670 get as much sleep as you can, mobilize. Those are 0:56:04.710 --> 0:56:07.709 the two things, and then just a good diet along 0:56:07.750 --> 0:56:10.719 with it, and those things can help you recover a 0:56:10.739 --> 0:56:11.100 little faster. 0:56:11.180 --> 0:56:12.800 Okay, but people hear that, like, oh, you've got to 0:56:12.820 --> 0:56:15.040 get to the hospital and get diagnosed. I mean, if 0:56:15.060 --> 0:56:17.140 you have a concussion and you just take it easy, 0:56:17.180 --> 0:56:19.480 does that generally fix itself for most cases? 0:56:19.860 --> 0:56:20.839 For most cases, yes. 0:56:21.580 --> 0:56:22.200 But the timeline. 0:56:23.489 --> 0:56:24.090 is tough. 0:56:24.810 --> 0:56:27.450 Most cases recover in two to four weeks, which is 0:56:27.489 --> 0:56:30.110 a long time. I hurt my groin two and a 0:56:30.150 --> 0:56:32.290 half weeks ago, and it's felt like months because it's 0:56:32.410 --> 0:56:33.890 so hard to be laid up. And I can only 0:56:33.930 --> 0:56:35.490 imagine what it's like if you have a brain injury 0:56:35.510 --> 0:56:39.430 and you're not feeling yourself. So yeah, it should get 0:56:39.469 --> 0:56:41.489 better in two to four weeks. Certainly, if you have 0:56:41.590 --> 0:56:45.049 any concerns whatsoever, if you've lost consciousness from a head 0:56:45.090 --> 0:56:47.430 injury or even feeling bad or vomiting, you'd want to 0:56:47.530 --> 0:56:51.090 be seen. And if those symptoms actually recur or worsen, 0:56:51.130 --> 0:56:53.189 you want to be seen again. because there are things 0:56:53.230 --> 0:56:56.049 you can do to kind of help the recovery as well, 0:56:56.110 --> 0:56:59.270 along with the things we said. Stuff like physical therapy 0:56:59.730 --> 0:57:03.190 can help with balance issues. Seeing a psychiatrist, even if 0:57:03.210 --> 0:57:07.069 you're having mood or sleep problems, even an ophthalmologist can 0:57:07.110 --> 0:57:08.600 help with, you know, if your vision's off. 0:57:08.680 --> 0:57:09.419 Gotcha. 0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:13.580 He's Sanjay Shaverkramani, ER physician and our health guy here 0:57:13.660 --> 0:57:16.020 on the Scott Sloan Show on 700 WWW Thursday. Talking 0:57:16.040 --> 0:57:18.800 about Jamar's concussion, which turned out he was fine after 0:57:18.820 --> 0:57:22.940 a week, but It bears repeating because not everyone has 0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:27.660 neurologists and independent doctors and daily monitoring and trainers and 0:57:27.680 --> 0:57:32.440 all those things. Your kid gets hurt playing soccer, basketball, volleyball, football, 0:57:32.460 --> 0:57:35.990 whatever it might be, hockey. You don't have access to 0:57:36.030 --> 0:57:39.730 those things. That's a whole different thing. Do kids tend 0:57:39.750 --> 0:57:42.250 to bounce back better than adults or be less concussed 0:57:42.270 --> 0:57:42.510 than adults? 0:57:42.610 --> 0:57:45.830 Kids do tend to bounce back better, and that's almost 0:57:45.870 --> 0:57:48.890 with any injury in kids. Um, most kids bounce back 0:57:48.970 --> 0:57:50.720 in two to four weeks, like I was saying, and 0:57:50.880 --> 0:57:53.280 adults are a little bit longer, but there is actually 0:57:53.320 --> 0:57:57.260 a specific, um, CDC heads up guideline, uh, for kids 0:57:57.320 --> 0:58:01.700 returning to sports about six days, um, or six layers. 0:58:01.780 --> 0:58:04.740 So they have to, you know, just exist without any symptoms. 0:58:04.760 --> 0:58:07.030 And if they're not having any symptoms doing nothing, then 0:58:07.070 --> 0:58:09.870 it's kind of like light training and then more, and 0:58:09.890 --> 0:58:12.030 then contact sports. And as long as they can get 0:58:12.250 --> 0:58:14.910 each level without Right. The NFL has five layers of 0:58:14.970 --> 0:58:15.270 that as well. 0:58:15.310 --> 0:58:15.970 Same thing. 0:58:15.990 --> 0:58:16.250 So 24 days. 0:58:16.270 --> 0:58:18.150 So, you know, if you have a concussion, you're looking 0:58:18.170 --> 0:58:20.370 at at least five days before you're cleared to come back. 0:58:29.450 --> 0:58:31.370 which is why it's so remarkable that Jamar came back 0:58:31.610 --> 0:58:34.470 so quickly. And that injury looked vicious. It looked pretty bad. 0:58:34.530 --> 0:58:35.710 But then there are other ones that don't look like 0:58:35.730 --> 0:58:37.430 they're anything, and they're out for a couple weeks. 0:58:37.650 --> 0:58:38.810 It's hard to tell. 0:58:38.830 --> 0:58:41.320 There are certain things as far as the forces and 0:58:41.340 --> 0:58:44.240 the hit. There's rotational injury that actually causes things to 0:58:44.260 --> 0:58:47.000 be the worst. So if your head spins on a swivel, 0:58:47.100 --> 0:58:49.220 there are so many factors that go into it. And 0:58:49.700 --> 0:58:52.300 the hardest part is it's invisible, and we're relying on 0:58:52.720 --> 0:58:55.610 the patients, the athletes, to tell us if they're feeling 0:58:55.630 --> 0:58:57.750 bad or not. And I know, you know, the mind 0:58:57.770 --> 0:58:59.530 of an athlete is I want to get back on 0:58:59.570 --> 0:59:01.660 that field as soon as possible. So it would be 0:59:01.740 --> 0:59:04.100 easy to mask that and, or, or not report it 0:59:04.260 --> 0:59:05.300 and come back too early. 0:59:05.540 --> 0:59:07.990 Does this next rank and that would be next circumference 0:59:08.370 --> 0:59:08.830 play a role here? 0:59:09.070 --> 0:59:09.210 Yeah. 0:59:09.770 --> 0:59:13.160 Um, And there's been no data that I've seen. But 0:59:13.200 --> 0:59:16.919 the thought is, if you can brace yourself against a hit, 0:59:17.060 --> 0:59:21.700 then that sudden jostling won't be as severe. And so, yes, 0:59:21.760 --> 0:59:24.110 next strength should protect you. And that's the other thing. 0:59:24.170 --> 0:59:27.240 If you have a sudden blow you're not expecting you 0:59:27.260 --> 0:59:29.620 can imagine the whiplash it causes as opposed to if 0:59:29.640 --> 0:59:32.540 you're bracing for something so we'll oftentimes see concussions on 0:59:32.960 --> 0:59:35.340 those sudden you know if you're left tackled you know 0:59:35.360 --> 0:59:38.450 lets you down and suddenly the quarterback gets gets hit 0:59:38.470 --> 0:59:41.050 from behind and they haven't seen it coming uh that 0:59:41.090 --> 0:59:43.790 would be something that could cause it but it's it's 0:59:43.850 --> 0:59:46.610 also the sudden hits in general and the sudden tackles 0:59:46.710 --> 0:59:49.530 or that that one-two punch like jamar got He was 0:59:49.570 --> 0:59:51.190 falling to the ground, and then he got a second hit, 0:59:51.210 --> 0:59:52.490 which he probably wasn't expecting. 0:59:52.670 --> 0:59:52.930 All right. 0:59:52.970 --> 0:59:54.760 So if you're a parent and you're hearing this, okay, 0:59:54.780 --> 0:59:57.220 my kid gets hurt on a play. When do I 0:59:57.260 --> 0:59:59.320 go to the ER? When do I just go to 0:59:59.340 --> 1:00:00.380 the pediatrician the next day? 1:00:00.400 --> 1:00:00.820 How do I know? 1:00:01.100 --> 1:00:01.320 Yeah. 1:00:01.360 --> 1:00:03.720 So I can never say, like, never go to the 1:00:03.740 --> 1:00:05.520 ER if you're concerned at all. 1:00:05.580 --> 1:00:07.640 It's kind of your job. Come to the ER. 1:00:08.030 --> 1:00:10.510 I deal with patients once they come to the ER. 1:00:10.640 --> 1:00:13.580 But if you have any concern at all, come to 1:00:13.600 --> 1:00:16.120 the ER and get checked. A head injury is nothing 1:00:16.240 --> 1:00:19.680 to not be concerned about in general. And we can 1:00:19.700 --> 1:00:23.100 give you guidance as well as referrals oftentimes if you 1:00:23.140 --> 1:00:27.180 need it for sports injury clinics, etc. The things that 1:00:27.340 --> 1:00:30.630 really scare us would be a prolonged loss of consciousness. 1:00:30.650 --> 1:00:35.030 So it's more than several seconds. Things like nausea or vomiting. 1:00:35.190 --> 1:00:37.660 Vomiting is one of those biggest things that that we 1:00:37.720 --> 1:00:41.740 look for and ask for um you know worsening confusion 1:00:42.160 --> 1:00:46.270 worsening headache uh not acting yourself those are and then 1:00:46.490 --> 1:00:48.190 you know looking at their eyes and seeing if they 1:00:48.230 --> 1:00:50.630 look funny especially if one of pupils bigger than another 1:00:50.650 --> 1:00:53.580 these are all you know those are some of the 1:00:54.180 --> 1:00:55.300 concerning things we look. 1:00:55.200 --> 1:00:56.900 For you test for the stigmas things like that and 1:00:57.560 --> 1:01:01.490 when they present but In this case, kids not acting himself, 1:01:01.550 --> 1:01:02.410 that's an indicator. 1:01:02.450 --> 1:01:04.090 Personality is a big thing too, right? 1:01:04.130 --> 1:01:04.330 Yeah. 1:01:04.430 --> 1:01:06.810 So you can break it up into like four things. 1:01:06.890 --> 1:01:10.850 So the things we oftentimes think about would be the headache, 1:01:10.910 --> 1:01:13.650 the dizziness, but then you get the fogginess and that 1:01:13.710 --> 1:01:17.230 confusion kind of thing, the slowing down. So it's kind 1:01:17.250 --> 1:01:20.150 of like the brain, the body, then you have mood 1:01:20.410 --> 1:01:22.350 and there can be mood instability. And that might be 1:01:22.370 --> 1:01:25.910 your only symptom of a concussion, but personalities change yeah 1:01:25.930 --> 1:01:28.010 um so you can expect that and then sleep being 1:01:28.370 --> 1:01:29.230 um thrown off. 1:01:29.370 --> 1:01:31.630 Is it true that once you have a concussion you're 1:01:31.670 --> 1:01:34.010 more prone to have successive ones and is is that 1:01:34.110 --> 1:01:36.450 a continuing cycle to the point where okay if i've 1:01:36.470 --> 1:01:38.940 had five concussions i'm pretty much done doing anything that 1:01:39.020 --> 1:01:40.340 where i could get another. 1:01:40.160 --> 1:01:42.660 One yeah it's kind of concerning i mean the brain 1:01:42.720 --> 1:01:45.900 is more susceptible afterwards the biggest concern is again if 1:01:45.940 --> 1:01:48.900 you're still having symptoms that means the brain's repairing itself 1:01:49.440 --> 1:01:51.510 and if you get another hit in that time you're 1:01:52.150 --> 1:01:54.230 it does a couple of things one it will prolong 1:01:54.270 --> 1:01:57.010 your recovery. You'll, you know, if you want to bounce 1:01:57.050 --> 1:01:59.710 back to sport, make sure you're cleared of symptoms before 1:01:59.730 --> 1:02:02.110 you go back. Cause otherwise you're, you're setting yourself up 1:02:02.190 --> 1:02:05.390 for a longer healing process. The other thing is, is 1:02:05.670 --> 1:02:08.310 if you're feeling concussed and you go back to sport, 1:02:08.590 --> 1:02:11.660 you're not, you know, you're, you're not a full mind 1:02:12.320 --> 1:02:14.660 while you're out there. So you're not bracing against other 1:02:14.740 --> 1:02:17.300 bodily injuries. So you might be, you know, running a 1:02:17.340 --> 1:02:20.100 little different than normal or not aware of certain things 1:02:20.140 --> 1:02:23.300 and you're setting yourself up for more bodily injury as well. 1:02:23.380 --> 1:02:26.230 So It's kind of mind and body that you're putting 1:02:26.250 --> 1:02:29.670 yourself at risk if you go out there with another concussion. 1:02:29.890 --> 1:02:30.050 Okay. 1:02:30.930 --> 1:02:32.930 I've seen players wear this. It looks like a little collar. 1:02:32.970 --> 1:02:35.010 I don't know what they call it. A neck protector 1:02:35.070 --> 1:02:36.550 kind of thing. A Q collar, I think, is what 1:02:36.610 --> 1:02:39.470 it is. It's like a strap around their neck. Does 1:02:39.490 --> 1:02:40.030 that do anything? 1:02:40.050 --> 1:02:40.530 What does that do? 1:02:40.810 --> 1:02:44.690 So that minimizes the kind of whiplash action that can happen. 1:02:44.710 --> 1:02:46.050 It used to be like the old neck rolls with 1:02:46.110 --> 1:02:47.630 a towel going around your neck. It was like the 1:02:47.670 --> 1:02:49.970 old linemen back in the day. On the Jets, right? 1:02:49.990 --> 1:02:51.310 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't remember. 1:02:51.550 --> 1:02:54.170 Yeah, he used to have that huge thing. And those 1:02:54.190 --> 1:02:57.020 have kind of decreased. It certainly does help with some 1:02:57.060 --> 1:02:58.200 of that whiplash injury. 1:02:58.380 --> 1:02:59.800 What does it do, though? It doesn't look like it. 1:03:00.840 --> 1:03:02.800 I think it just prevents a little bit. 1:03:02.920 --> 1:03:05.160 Of the back motion. I haven't seen the data on it. 1:03:05.540 --> 1:03:07.280 The other thing you've probably seen, and no one of 1:03:07.300 --> 1:03:10.120 the Bengals wears it right now, but the Guardian helmet. 1:03:10.180 --> 1:03:12.530 That's been out for the last few years. They're required 1:03:12.570 --> 1:03:16.770 to wear it during practice. and training camp, but not 1:03:16.810 --> 1:03:18.670 during games. That's all elective. So I think it's like 1:03:18.670 --> 1:03:20.669 20 players are wearing them right now in the NFL. 1:03:20.710 --> 1:03:25.490 It's not a ton, but on my team, Romeo Dobbs 1:03:25.680 --> 1:03:27.550 wears it for the New England Patriots. Don't hate me. 1:03:28.940 --> 1:03:33.080 So Romeo wears it. Again, about 20 players wear it, 1:03:33.100 --> 1:03:36.720 but what it does is it decreases that impact. So 1:03:36.760 --> 1:03:40.240 it's like if you get a direct force to your helmet, 1:03:40.600 --> 1:03:42.640 it decreases the force of that impact by about 10%. 1:03:42.640 --> 1:03:47.610 Like an airbag. Exactly. Not as good as an airbag. Yeah, 1:03:47.640 --> 1:03:48.260 that's interesting. 1:03:48.320 --> 1:03:51.020 And the other thing is, and I always thought this 1:03:51.060 --> 1:03:53.760 was part of it too, the mouth guard. Like you 1:03:53.780 --> 1:03:56.260 see players now, the new thing is, well, it's not new, 1:03:56.300 --> 1:03:58.110 but a couple of years ago where they just let it. 1:03:58.090 --> 1:04:00.750 Dangle the entire time. They're not wearing any mouth protection whatsoever. 1:04:01.400 --> 1:04:03.419 I thought that was in addition to protecting your teeth, 1:04:03.480 --> 1:04:06.140 but it's also for concussion to absorb some of that shock. 1:04:06.200 --> 1:04:06.580 Is that true? 1:04:06.940 --> 1:04:09.660 That I don't know, actually. I've definitely seen it, and 1:04:09.720 --> 1:04:11.460 I figured it was just to protect the mouth. But 1:04:11.500 --> 1:04:13.240 it would make sense. I mean, maybe there's some. 1:04:13.160 --> 1:04:14.620 Jostling in there. I mean, if you hit underneath, you know, 1:04:14.660 --> 1:04:16.390 with a helmet, is that going to help absorb? 1:04:16.470 --> 1:04:19.250 I mean, it wouldn't hurt, I suppose. In theory, yeah. 1:04:19.310 --> 1:04:20.950 It would probably help with the jostling a little bit. 1:04:21.030 --> 1:04:22.610 I imagine biting your whole tongue. One of these days, 1:04:22.810 --> 1:04:24.350 this guy's going to get hit, and his tongue is 1:04:24.390 --> 1:04:24.880 going to fall off. 1:04:24.890 --> 1:04:26.010 Just fall off onto the field. 1:04:26.030 --> 1:04:26.450 Yeah, yeah. 1:04:26.530 --> 1:04:28.150 And then everyone's going to start doing the mouth. 1:04:28.170 --> 1:04:28.270 Right. 1:04:28.430 --> 1:04:30.030 Like your mom see i told you this is why 1:04:30.050 --> 1:04:32.610 you better every every player's mom's gonna call you better 1:04:32.660 --> 1:04:36.120 wear your mouth thing and walk around your life because 1:04:36.140 --> 1:04:38.300 there's no remedy for that there's no prosthetic tongue is 1:04:38.340 --> 1:04:39.360 there sanjay. 1:04:39.460 --> 1:04:41.980 Not yet not yet we'll wait for the ai robots 1:04:42.000 --> 1:04:44.620 to maybe get on that one anyway he's sanjay shaver 1:04:44.640 --> 1:04:47.640 kamani on the show on 700 wlw you know we 1:04:47.680 --> 1:04:50.200 we're talking about concussions and the like and what to 1:04:50.240 --> 1:04:52.040 look at your kid but you know the people that 1:04:52.060 --> 1:04:54.940 work in the trades too that I worked with a 1:04:54.940 --> 1:04:57.180 guy one time and he, same thing happened. 1:04:57.200 --> 1:04:59.780 He got hit with something and he started acting weird 1:04:59.800 --> 1:05:01.910 for like a day or two and he realized, holy crap, 1:05:01.930 --> 1:05:02.640 he had a concussion. 1:05:02.680 --> 1:05:02.860 Yeah. 1:05:03.300 --> 1:05:05.290 It can be the weirdest injuries, you know. 1:05:06.110 --> 1:05:07.850 I think he fell off a ladder or got hit 1:05:07.870 --> 1:05:08.530 by something minor. 1:05:08.630 --> 1:05:10.850 It may not even hit his head. It's that whiplash 1:05:10.890 --> 1:05:14.030 injury and that causes the head to jostle around. So 1:05:14.870 --> 1:05:17.250 it can, again, it can, it actually doesn't have to 1:05:17.290 --> 1:05:19.530 necessarily present with symptoms right away. Like that guy, it 1:05:19.590 --> 1:05:22.030 can get worse over a couple of days. again, if 1:05:22.050 --> 1:05:24.090 your symptoms are getting worse with a concussion, it's definitely 1:05:24.110 --> 1:05:26.500 a reason to get checked out. But, um, we have 1:05:26.520 --> 1:05:28.180 seen that in the first day or two, it could 1:05:28.220 --> 1:05:31.760 actually get worse or, you know, actually present. Um, so, 1:05:31.940 --> 1:05:33.300 you know, just cause you didn't get hit in the 1:05:33.340 --> 1:05:36.240 head doesn't mean you don't have a concussion. Um, and 1:05:36.580 --> 1:05:38.980 it's a, it's a scary thing. Um, the, the other 1:05:39.020 --> 1:05:41.040 thing is, and we've seen a lot about this is 1:05:41.160 --> 1:05:43.080 chronic traumatic encephalopathy or CTE. 1:05:43.220 --> 1:05:43.439 Yes. 1:05:43.880 --> 1:05:46.910 The, the interesting thing about that is it's not like 1:05:47.010 --> 1:05:49.010 if you have a super bad concussion, it doesn't mean 1:05:49.050 --> 1:05:52.470 you're going to get CTE. Um, It's actually been found 1:05:52.510 --> 1:05:55.970 that the more years playing sports and the more minor 1:05:56.070 --> 1:05:59.450 repetitive injuries to the head is what does it. So 1:06:00.340 --> 1:06:02.950 they found that CTE, which is actually a diagnosis made 1:06:03.070 --> 1:06:06.900 on autopsy only right now, what they're finding is that 1:06:07.160 --> 1:06:10.060 for every year played of football, your risk of CTE 1:06:10.100 --> 1:06:13.640 goes up by 15%. And that's, again, just seeing those 1:06:13.980 --> 1:06:17.020 tau proteins, the tangles around the neurons. 1:06:17.200 --> 1:06:17.360 Mm-hmm. 1:06:19.470 --> 1:06:22.210 That's what you're seeing. Now, that is linked to increased 1:06:22.350 --> 1:06:26.120 risk of dementia and what we used to call punch-drunk 1:06:26.560 --> 1:06:30.860 syndrome and dementia pugilistica in boxers. But that makes sense 1:06:30.880 --> 1:06:32.740 for boxers, too. They're taking minor hits all the time. 1:06:32.780 --> 1:06:34.100 The whole job is to get hit in the head. 1:06:34.300 --> 1:06:34.740 Exactly. 1:06:34.800 --> 1:06:38.130 And so that's why it was seen there first and now, 1:06:38.430 --> 1:06:41.490 for obvious reasons, it's seen in NFL players. 1:06:41.530 --> 1:06:44.390 Yeah, so it's a small— so soccer, for example, for kids. 1:06:44.730 --> 1:06:44.850 Yeah. 1:06:45.760 --> 1:06:46.700 I wonder if we're going to see a point at 1:06:46.740 --> 1:06:49.100 some point where they're wearing helmets and playing soccer or it's, 1:06:49.440 --> 1:06:50.580 you know, I wouldn't be surprised. 1:06:50.600 --> 1:06:53.020 Yeah, we're seeing I mean, it's the headers, too. It's 1:06:53.060 --> 1:06:53.940 the headers that do. 1:06:53.860 --> 1:06:55.460 It because they're fun to practice. 1:06:55.980 --> 1:06:59.920 Exactly. I mean, it's the funnest part of everything. So, yeah, 1:07:00.020 --> 1:07:01.820 but it is. I mean, there was a study that 1:07:01.840 --> 1:07:05.820 was published just in August, two months ago that showed it. 1:07:06.020 --> 1:07:09.060 They basically found all the NFL players that died in 1:07:09.120 --> 1:07:13.350 a decade. And then found donors of their brains. And 1:07:13.640 --> 1:07:18.620 there were like 1,700 players that died in that time. 1:07:18.620 --> 1:07:22.840 235 had their brains donated. And of those, 215, so 1:07:22.880 --> 1:07:28.020 like over 90%, had CTE on their autopsy. So we're 1:07:28.040 --> 1:07:30.760 seeing this in almost every player for good reason. You've 1:07:30.780 --> 1:07:32.340 been playing in the NFL. You've been playing for a 1:07:32.360 --> 1:07:32.860 ton of years. 1:07:32.900 --> 1:07:33.440 Since you were a kid. 1:07:33.680 --> 1:07:34.560 Your risk is going up. 1:07:34.600 --> 1:07:35.140 It's going to happen. 1:07:35.160 --> 1:07:35.360 All right. 1:07:35.860 --> 1:07:38.000 What you didn't know, concussion. Now, Jamar, obviously, he's out 1:07:38.020 --> 1:07:39.500 of the protocol and went and played last week. He 1:07:39.520 --> 1:07:41.580 got the bye week. He'll be fine. But just kind 1:07:41.620 --> 1:07:43.140 of retouching that topic. And, you know, if a kid's 1:07:43.180 --> 1:07:45.160 playing or maybe even yourself, if you work in a– 1:07:45.600 --> 1:07:47.360 or you're doing, I don't know, home improvement stuff, it 1:07:47.400 --> 1:07:49.260 could very well happen to you. Look what happened to 1:07:49.380 --> 1:07:51.040 Bob Saget, right? I mean, hit his head. 1:07:51.060 --> 1:07:51.130 Yep. 1:07:51.650 --> 1:07:51.750 Yep. 1:07:51.810 --> 1:07:53.710 That's a whole different, that was a concussion. That was, uh, 1:07:53.870 --> 1:07:54.510 he was bled to death. 1:07:54.990 --> 1:07:57.190 Uh, Sanjay Shaver Kramani is an ER physician here in 1:07:57.210 --> 1:07:59.730 Cincinnati at Dinewell doc. And that's where health food and 1:07:59.790 --> 1:08:03.150 fitness come together. Also at revive strength and Oakley. Appreciate you, bud. 1:08:03.170 --> 1:08:05.330 Appreciate you. Thanks for coming in on this Thursday morning. 1:08:05.370 --> 1:08:07.130 Sloney 700 WLW statement. 1:08:08.010 --> 1:08:13.680 Enter it now. Good morning. It's Scott Sloan here on 1:08:13.680 --> 1:08:13.979 700 WLW. 1:08:14.160 --> 1:08:17.760 Big developments in the Rodney Hinton trial. Of course, we've 1:08:17.780 --> 1:08:19.979 been waiting a long time for this, this guy to 1:08:20.020 --> 1:08:24.769 come to justice. Um, And a statement was read to 1:08:24.790 --> 1:08:28.810 the jury that Rodney Hinton made his own confession, saying, 1:08:28.979 --> 1:08:31.099 I had to turn a little bit to hit him. 1:08:31.900 --> 1:08:34.840 And that sentence that he said relative to when he 1:08:34.900 --> 1:08:39.020 struck Deputy Larry Henderson and killed him may have sunk 1:08:39.060 --> 1:08:43.099 his insanity defense. He's an attorney and a former Cincinnati councilman. 1:08:43.120 --> 1:08:46.590 That's Steve Gooden breaking it down this morning on 700-WOW. Steve, 1:08:46.610 --> 1:08:47.090 welcome back. 1:08:47.110 --> 1:08:47.610 How are you doing, man? 1:08:48.729 --> 1:08:49.490 Doing great, thanks. 1:08:49.830 --> 1:08:50.670 Good, good. 1:08:50.670 --> 1:08:52.460 That statement right there. 1:08:52.450 --> 1:08:54.450 Because when you listen. 1:08:53.990 --> 1:08:57.160 To the defense, the defense, of course, is not guilty 1:08:57.160 --> 1:09:00.320 by reason of insanity. It's it's really i think it 1:09:00.420 --> 1:09:04.880 undermines that plea that well okay if you're insane at 1:09:04.920 --> 1:09:07.429 the moment and you deliberately tried to hit him and 1:09:07.439 --> 1:09:09.130 you had to turn because you didn't want to miss 1:09:09.170 --> 1:09:12.090 him does that show that he was in the right 1:09:12.150 --> 1:09:15.549 mind to commit murder um and and that the mental 1:09:15.750 --> 1:09:18.070 component of this thing doesn't apply or do i have it. 1:09:18.070 --> 1:09:21.370 Wrong No, you absolutely got it right. I mean, there's 1:09:21.410 --> 1:09:25.550 really two big pieces of evidence that the jury's going 1:09:25.570 --> 1:09:29.090 to hear in this case. I mean, one was that 1:09:29.150 --> 1:09:35.070 statement you mentioned, which was the state of Ohio's psychologist 1:09:35.090 --> 1:09:38.750 who was brought in to interview Hinton in custody to 1:09:38.810 --> 1:09:42.670 see whether or not he met the insanity criteria. And 1:09:42.710 --> 1:09:45.410 we know that he has a mental health history. He 1:09:45.430 --> 1:09:48.630 has a form of of schizophrenia. His father testified at 1:09:48.710 --> 1:09:52.860 trial in great detail about that. He had been medicated 1:09:53.320 --> 1:09:56.679 in the past and had been hospitalized at least once 1:09:56.740 --> 1:09:59.400 for about a week in the past, just straight up 1:09:59.439 --> 1:10:01.730 due to his mental health problems. But that doesn't mean 1:10:01.750 --> 1:10:04.890 he was so mentally ill that he couldn't function in 1:10:04.950 --> 1:10:08.750 society or tell the rightfulness or wrongfulness of his actions. 1:10:09.260 --> 1:10:14.309 And yes, the state's psychologist yesterday testified that he told 1:10:14.390 --> 1:10:17.770 her in the interview that he had swerved a bit 1:10:17.810 --> 1:10:20.610 and turned the wheel to hit him. And why this 1:10:20.670 --> 1:10:24.720 was so significant was that a couple days ago, one 1:10:24.760 --> 1:10:29.280 of the few true eyewitnesses to the case, to actually 1:10:29.340 --> 1:10:31.800 what happened, who was just a motorist who was stopped 1:10:31.880 --> 1:10:35.320 at a light there and saw what happened, seemed to 1:10:35.439 --> 1:10:40.469 indicate that from her vantage point, Hinton hit a pole, 1:10:40.490 --> 1:10:44.610 a light pole, primarily. Now, he did hit the pole, 1:10:44.650 --> 1:10:47.520 but Larry Henderson, the deputy who was killed here, was 1:10:47.560 --> 1:10:50.710 standing near the pole. So he said he seemed to 1:10:50.770 --> 1:10:54.070 hit the pole primarily, which the defense seized the bomb 1:10:54.689 --> 1:10:56.990 with this idea that perhaps Hinton was actually trying to 1:10:57.030 --> 1:11:00.750 commit suicide by driving into the pole and that Henderson 1:11:00.790 --> 1:11:04.950 was just sort of incidentally killed here. But that is 1:11:05.010 --> 1:11:09.889 undermined significantly by, number one, what the prosecution's psychologist said. 1:11:10.250 --> 1:11:14.020 And then secondarily, the prosecution put on, I thought, some 1:11:14.030 --> 1:11:17.360 pretty powerful testimony here. from a guy named, a detective 1:11:17.380 --> 1:11:21.720 named Flam, with the Cincinnati Police Department, who's an accident reconstructionist. 1:11:21.780 --> 1:11:25.599 And he spent some time in the Henton with the 1:11:25.640 --> 1:11:30.320 defendant's black box from his car. And it showed, he testified, 1:11:30.350 --> 1:11:32.490 the black box showed, as well as some of the 1:11:32.510 --> 1:11:37.470 other witnesses showed, that Henton had come to a complete stop, 1:11:37.890 --> 1:11:40.889 had aimed the vehicle, and it showed that he actually 1:11:40.990 --> 1:11:43.630 gunned as hard as he could. It was moving about 1:11:43.630 --> 1:11:48.559 43 miles per hour. When it struck Henderson and this pole, 1:11:48.960 --> 1:11:51.380 which means he, going from a dead stop to 43 1:11:51.380 --> 1:11:54.200 miles an hour, he was pushing very hard. The anti-lock 1:11:54.240 --> 1:11:58.860 brakes had never deployed, so there was no chance at 1:11:59.040 --> 1:12:01.400 all that he had actually hit the brakes. So he 1:12:01.439 --> 1:12:04.940 intentionally was trying to strike. And third, it showed that 1:12:04.979 --> 1:12:08.780 the wheel had turned slightly to the left. which coincides 1:12:08.840 --> 1:12:13.020 with this idea that Larry Henderson, the deputy, had moved 1:12:13.439 --> 1:12:15.180 and tried to get out of the way. There was 1:12:15.220 --> 1:12:17.340 a last minute swerve to make sure he hit him. 1:12:17.840 --> 1:12:21.920 So the black box testimony was also a very, very 1:12:22.020 --> 1:12:25.500 tough thing for the defense to get around. It did 1:12:25.620 --> 1:12:29.200 show the black box does appear to show an effort 1:12:29.240 --> 1:12:32.780 to swerve and move the card. Well, number one, no breaking. 1:12:33.250 --> 1:12:36.230 Number two, 43 miles an hour from a dead stop 1:12:36.290 --> 1:12:40.550 in about a very short space, which shows some intent 1:12:40.570 --> 1:12:43.310 as well. But the black box does record that the 1:12:43.430 --> 1:12:45.729 steering wheel was cut sharply to the left at the 1:12:45.750 --> 1:12:49.040 very last minute, which, again, almost looks as though he 1:12:49.360 --> 1:12:53.050 was trying to move to get Henderson as Henderson was 1:12:53.070 --> 1:12:54.010 trying to get out of court. 1:12:54.050 --> 1:12:55.389 Facts don't lie in this case. 1:12:55.990 --> 1:12:57.910 So what does the state do then when eventually they're 1:12:57.930 --> 1:13:00.850 getting another bite of the apple with that admission? And 1:13:01.030 --> 1:13:03.250 how are they going to frame this and make it 1:13:03.370 --> 1:13:05.390 even more appealing to a jury in pointing this out? 1:13:05.410 --> 1:13:05.890 What would you do? 1:13:06.750 --> 1:13:10.450 Well, if I were them, I would be very reductive 1:13:10.490 --> 1:13:12.050 and simple about it. And I mean, I used to 1:13:12.090 --> 1:13:14.729 try these kinds of cases with the prosecutor's office. So 1:13:14.810 --> 1:13:18.670 I would take that statement I would have a transcript 1:13:18.689 --> 1:13:21.070 made of that when there's a transcript being made, and 1:13:21.110 --> 1:13:23.110 I would have that blown up on the biggest board 1:13:23.229 --> 1:13:27.220 possible and have that up there throughout my closing argument. 1:13:27.420 --> 1:13:30.200 I would just pound a little daylight out of that. 1:13:31.240 --> 1:13:35.890 It's also interesting, there will be another psychiatrist. or psychologist rather, 1:13:35.930 --> 1:13:40.980 testified for the state probably late today or tomorrow. There 1:13:41.020 --> 1:13:44.940 were three psychologists who interviewed Hinton in custody. There was 1:13:45.040 --> 1:13:47.760 one for the defense, one for the prosecution, and this 1:13:47.840 --> 1:13:53.120 is typically the case. The judge appointed a third one 1:13:53.180 --> 1:13:56.220 who was supposed to be truly independent. And I know 1:13:56.320 --> 1:13:59.620 it seems silly that you have they're all supposed to 1:13:59.660 --> 1:14:03.349 be independent medical professionals, but As is often the case, 1:14:03.410 --> 1:14:06.270 the defense, the one hired by the defense, tends to 1:14:06.310 --> 1:14:10.470 see things more like the defense wants them to. But 1:14:10.490 --> 1:14:15.979 what's interesting here is the independent psychologist was not listed 1:14:16.500 --> 1:14:19.020 on the defense witness list, but was listed on the 1:14:19.080 --> 1:14:23.860 prosecution's witness list. And we know that the prosecution apparently 1:14:23.920 --> 1:14:28.660 intends to close their case. with this independent psychologist. So 1:14:28.700 --> 1:14:33.360 we can only guess that the independent psychologist, basically, we 1:14:33.420 --> 1:14:36.260 haven't seen that report yet or heard that testimony, but 1:14:36.880 --> 1:14:40.900 the strong implication would be that they agree that Hinton 1:14:40.920 --> 1:14:41.960 knew what he was. 1:14:41.860 --> 1:14:43.320 Doing that day. Yeah. 1:14:43.479 --> 1:14:44.620 Now, Dr. 1:14:44.689 --> 1:14:47.550 Maria Espinola, I think was her name, that was the 1:14:47.610 --> 1:14:52.890 final defense witness psychologist and admitted at some point that 1:14:52.910 --> 1:14:55.790 Hinton hinton said well if i was thinking right i 1:14:55.810 --> 1:14:58.100 would have not done that meaning strike henderson so is 1:14:58.140 --> 1:14:59.680 that what the defense then uses and we know the 1:14:59.720 --> 1:15:02.020 prosecution is one of the the facts of the black 1:15:02.060 --> 1:15:03.860 box and that he admitted he had to turn to 1:15:03.900 --> 1:15:06.720 hit henderson but the defense is going to hang on 1:15:06.760 --> 1:15:08.420 well if i was thinking right i would have not 1:15:08.460 --> 1:15:11.020 done that meaning that he was insane at that particular 1:15:11.040 --> 1:15:14.700 moment in time and uh this espinola woman says she 1:15:14.720 --> 1:15:17.380 uh he he told her he heard his pastor's voice 1:15:17.439 --> 1:15:20.300 at the light and hinton told uh someone else that 1:15:20.320 --> 1:15:23.700 someone in the car uh there's confusion over something heard 1:15:23.720 --> 1:15:27.559 through an open window. So there's, I guess, some discrepancy 1:15:27.600 --> 1:15:30.009 there in hearing his pastor's voice at the light. But 1:15:30.350 --> 1:15:32.330 what about the thinking, right? I wouldn't have done that. 1:15:32.350 --> 1:15:32.939 Does that help at all? 1:15:34.650 --> 1:15:37.770 Well, you know, it certainly doesn't hurt. I mean, she 1:15:37.950 --> 1:15:42.100 is a pretty well-regarded psychologist locally. So, you know, and 1:15:42.340 --> 1:15:45.400 I'm not in any way suggesting that she didn't come 1:15:45.460 --> 1:15:48.320 to her conclusion legitimately. I mean, I think she did. 1:15:48.340 --> 1:15:51.340 I mean, she's well thought of there. But the problem 1:15:51.600 --> 1:15:55.190 with the way our law works on not guilty by 1:15:55.250 --> 1:15:57.990 reason of insanity in Ohio is that it is more 1:15:58.030 --> 1:16:00.870 of an art than a science. I mean, her primary, 1:16:00.970 --> 1:16:04.950 primarily what she's dealing with you know, is an interview 1:16:05.100 --> 1:16:09.099 or series of interviews with the defendant in custody, you know, 1:16:09.160 --> 1:16:14.620 post murder. And obviously, if he does have some of 1:16:14.680 --> 1:16:17.820 his faculties about him, he's going to shade that interview 1:16:17.930 --> 1:16:22.150 as best he can. So, yeah, I mean, look, I mean, 1:16:22.250 --> 1:16:25.429 I do think the defense has a really big hill 1:16:26.170 --> 1:16:29.690 to climb here because they're really all kind of they're 1:16:29.729 --> 1:16:33.790 not using the term temporary insanity. because temporary insanity is 1:16:33.850 --> 1:16:36.400 even a tougher standard than this regular not guilty by 1:16:36.439 --> 1:16:39.840 reason of insanity. But that is essentially what they're saying. 1:16:39.920 --> 1:16:42.100 They're saying that here's a man who had prior mental 1:16:42.140 --> 1:16:46.430 health issues, Then he sees this video of his son 1:16:46.470 --> 1:16:50.610 being shot by a police officer earlier that day and 1:16:50.950 --> 1:16:53.620 basically was in just such a heightened emotional state that 1:16:53.640 --> 1:16:57.000 he couldn't deal with his mental health problems and then 1:16:57.720 --> 1:17:01.580 did what he did, which was absolutely terrible. I mean, 1:17:01.600 --> 1:17:04.960 the flip side is Ohio law is pretty clear that 1:17:05.660 --> 1:17:09.280 just a heightened emotional state by itself does not equal insanity. 1:17:09.300 --> 1:17:12.370 In fact, most people who commit crimes of violence are 1:17:12.430 --> 1:17:16.759 in some sort of heightened emotional state. So the standard 1:17:16.840 --> 1:17:19.480 is that you cannot appreciate the rightfulness or wrongfulness of 1:17:19.520 --> 1:17:22.820 your activity. And I did notice that the prosecution, and 1:17:22.840 --> 1:17:24.420 I think the way they did it was kind of 1:17:24.479 --> 1:17:28.810 plodding and slow, and they really do it in the sequence, perhaps, 1:17:28.890 --> 1:17:31.230 that a lot of lawyers would have done. But they 1:17:31.270 --> 1:17:34.650 did show a lot of other small factors that showed 1:17:34.689 --> 1:17:37.450 that they didn't kind of knew what was going on, including, 1:17:37.550 --> 1:17:39.429 and this I think was revealed for the first time, 1:17:40.689 --> 1:17:45.870 earlier this week that they hadn't actually left the city 1:17:45.890 --> 1:17:49.310 building where he saw the video, went home, and another 1:17:49.470 --> 1:17:52.150 relative brought him back to get his car, which he 1:17:52.210 --> 1:17:55.269 left because I think he was too upset to drive, 1:17:55.310 --> 1:17:56.929 but they went and got him and took him there. 1:17:57.750 --> 1:18:00.770 The other thing that came out, which was somewhat interesting 1:18:00.810 --> 1:18:03.790 and might be compelling to a jury, is that Hinton 1:18:03.830 --> 1:18:06.970 had his CDL. He had a commercial driver's license. And 1:18:07.110 --> 1:18:08.650 it's not clear whether he had done this, but he 1:18:08.689 --> 1:18:12.889 actually completed this extra driving training to drive a truck 1:18:12.930 --> 1:18:14.930 and or a school bus, I think was the intent. 1:18:15.010 --> 1:18:17.530 So the idea that he didn't know how to operate 1:18:17.590 --> 1:18:20.150 a car properly was kind of silly because he had 1:18:20.189 --> 1:18:23.250 a specialty license that he was holding at the time 1:18:23.290 --> 1:18:25.490 of the accident and had gone through all this extra training. 1:18:25.510 --> 1:18:28.610 You're a professional driver. You can't say I'm not professional. 1:18:28.710 --> 1:18:29.490 I'm a professional. 1:18:29.530 --> 1:18:33.150 Right. You're literally a professional driver and a licensed one. 1:18:33.180 --> 1:18:35.260 So all these little facts show that he had moments 1:18:35.280 --> 1:18:39.370 to cool off. To calm down, to reflect, you know, 1:18:39.630 --> 1:18:41.920 because the story that had been told before seemed to 1:18:41.979 --> 1:18:45.040 imply that he went right from the city building to 1:18:45.060 --> 1:18:49.189 the scene over at UC where Henderson was directing traffic 1:18:49.350 --> 1:18:52.000 and committed to you. Now it looks like there was 1:18:52.060 --> 1:18:54.240 a cooling off period. And I think that's something that 1:18:54.280 --> 1:18:57.160 you're at least for a couple hours, Mike, compelling. 1:18:57.180 --> 1:18:59.160 Well, that pretty much says it right there, doesn't it? 1:18:59.160 --> 1:19:01.780 I mean, if there's a cooling off period after the video, 1:19:01.840 --> 1:19:07.219 after you saw the video, then then it's premeditated. I, I, 1:19:07.310 --> 1:19:08.570 to me, absolutely. 1:19:08.640 --> 1:19:11.660 Look, I have always felt, I mean, just my, I get, 1:19:11.680 --> 1:19:15.559 I've never met, um, uh, Mr. Hinton, the defendant, but 1:19:15.640 --> 1:19:19.740 I certainly had met Larry Henderson and, uh, the deputy. 1:19:19.760 --> 1:19:22.900 And I can tell you it's, um, you know, everyone 1:19:22.939 --> 1:19:27.200 brings their sympathies to this and their background to this. I, 1:19:27.390 --> 1:19:30.510 I've always felt in my personal opinion from what I 1:19:30.550 --> 1:19:33.799 knew about the case that, uh, that this was murder 1:19:34.300 --> 1:19:36.840 and that the not guilty by reason of insanity was 1:19:36.880 --> 1:19:38.980 going to be a very, very hard. I mean, I 1:19:39.040 --> 1:19:41.519 would take a lot to convince me if I were 1:19:41.540 --> 1:19:44.689 sitting on that jury. But it is also there's also 1:19:44.729 --> 1:19:47.050 the chance. And, you know, Clyde Bennett, who is the 1:19:47.090 --> 1:19:49.130 lead counsel here, and he's also got a good name, 1:19:49.150 --> 1:19:52.710 James Bogan, who's been appointed by the judge here who 1:19:52.750 --> 1:19:58.060 specializes in mental health cases. They're both very seasoned trial lawyers. uh, 1:19:58.270 --> 1:20:00.130 Clyde Bennett, and I've dealt with him in the past, 1:20:00.229 --> 1:20:04.330 a very charismatic and hyper prepared lawyer. You know, they 1:20:04.350 --> 1:20:07.170 may also be trying just to hang the jury. They 1:20:07.210 --> 1:20:09.710 may be looking for those one or two juries or 1:20:09.729 --> 1:20:12.480 jurors who have a soft touch and who are, who 1:20:12.520 --> 1:20:16.080 might just out of sympathy to him, uh, go this way. 1:20:16.160 --> 1:20:18.300 And I can tell you, if you look on any 1:20:18.320 --> 1:20:20.599 of the social media, there's a lot of social media 1:20:20.680 --> 1:20:23.519 about this case in the community right now, you will 1:20:23.590 --> 1:20:26.799 find people who sympathize with Larry Hinton, who said, I mean, with, uh, 1:20:28.110 --> 1:20:30.410 Ronnie Hittman, who just basically said, my God, if you'd 1:20:30.430 --> 1:20:33.349 seen your kid killed, who knows what you would do? 1:20:33.370 --> 1:20:37.590 And there's a lot. There is a vocal minority of 1:20:37.650 --> 1:20:39.850 people who are at least out there in the social 1:20:39.870 --> 1:20:45.080 media channels saying that. So I think that's what the 1:20:45.560 --> 1:20:48.260 defense team is looking for. They may not even be 1:20:48.300 --> 1:20:51.740 looking for all the legal. They may just be looking 1:20:51.780 --> 1:20:55.840 for sufficient testimony for a sympathetic juror who is emotionally 1:20:55.920 --> 1:21:00.140 engaged With this to hang their head on a jury. 1:21:00.280 --> 1:21:03.150 Yeah, I, you know, I empathize and I know those 1:21:03.189 --> 1:21:04.570 are pretty strong words to use with Rodney. 1:21:04.590 --> 1:21:07.490 He had me. He watched his son die on video. Now, 1:21:08.010 --> 1:21:10.100 you know, his son put himself in a position. He 1:21:10.140 --> 1:21:12.260 was going to be a future criminal, a future top 1:21:12.260 --> 1:21:14.580 10 most wanted in Cincinnati at some point had he lived. 1:21:15.689 --> 1:21:17.790 it doesn't discount the fact that he lost his son 1:21:18.050 --> 1:21:20.710 and was grieving and there's, you know, things happen inside 1:21:20.729 --> 1:21:22.950 your brain. But I would point out and, you know, 1:21:22.970 --> 1:21:25.559 maybe the defense or the prosecution says, hey, listen, you know, well, 1:21:25.610 --> 1:21:28.860 if a bad guy lost his son, however, you know, 1:21:29.240 --> 1:21:32.180 it was something that he chose to do, had an 1:21:32.240 --> 1:21:34.320 opportunity to get out of it with his life and 1:21:34.380 --> 1:21:38.380 yet chose the bad option time after time. And then 1:21:38.400 --> 1:21:41.190 his dad does the same thing. Now, I think where 1:21:41.220 --> 1:21:44.479 it gets interesting, there's a corollary here, is Espinola said 1:21:44.520 --> 1:21:47.439 there's no sign that Rodney Hinton was on his medication. 1:21:48.960 --> 1:21:51.700 If I– Steve, and you've defended people like this before. 1:21:51.740 --> 1:21:53.439 Let's say I go out. I have a few pops 1:21:53.500 --> 1:21:56.380 on a Friday night. I wind up, God forbid, hitting 1:21:56.400 --> 1:21:57.639 and striking and killing someone. 1:21:58.890 --> 1:22:00.729 I can't say, hey, listen, I was on alcohol. That's 1:22:00.750 --> 1:22:01.150 not an excuse. 1:22:01.250 --> 1:22:04.850 I chose to drink the alcohol and therefore I'm guilty 1:22:04.970 --> 1:22:06.650 of the crime or I will be found guilty of 1:22:06.670 --> 1:22:09.730 the crime. Is the opposite true here that, well, if 1:22:09.770 --> 1:22:13.260 you should be on medication and you're not, isn't that 1:22:13.310 --> 1:22:15.980 on you as much as someone who's deciding to drink 1:22:16.020 --> 1:22:16.380 and drive? 1:22:17.560 --> 1:22:18.360 No, it really is. 1:22:18.439 --> 1:22:21.240 And Ohio law is really, really clear on that. You know, 1:22:21.280 --> 1:22:25.479 for instance, what they call voluntary intoxication is not a defense. 1:22:26.430 --> 1:22:29.269 I mean, if you are drugged without your knowledge or 1:22:29.310 --> 1:22:31.570 something of that nature, that can be a potential defense. 1:22:31.590 --> 1:22:35.290 But voluntary intoxication, the Ohio Supreme Court has spoken on 1:22:35.350 --> 1:22:38.480 it many times, is simply not a defense to anything. 1:22:38.520 --> 1:22:41.960 You can't just go get drunk and hit someone or 1:22:42.040 --> 1:22:43.759 drive a car and just say, well, I was drunk. 1:22:43.800 --> 1:22:46.240 I didn't know. So therefore, I don't have the... You know, 1:22:46.280 --> 1:22:49.820 what they always call the criminal intent to commit the offense. But, 1:22:49.880 --> 1:22:55.200 you know, going off your meds, it's not as clearly 1:22:55.240 --> 1:22:58.140 defined in Ohio law, but it tends not to be 1:22:58.160 --> 1:23:01.160 a defense either. Because otherwise, you could just go off 1:23:01.229 --> 1:23:04.170 your meds and say, I, again, don't have any of 1:23:04.189 --> 1:23:08.280 the ability to form criminal intent to do anything. So 1:23:08.840 --> 1:23:10.920 that is part of what they're trying to do here. 1:23:10.939 --> 1:23:14.680 And to that point, though, the big flashpoint that didn't 1:23:14.720 --> 1:23:18.160 get a lot of press yesterday was the defense team 1:23:18.180 --> 1:23:23.059 is petitioning the judge for a lesser included offense of 1:23:23.120 --> 1:23:26.580 reckless homicide to be put to the jury as well. Now, 1:23:26.680 --> 1:23:29.540 the judge hasn't made a decision on that. But it 1:23:29.580 --> 1:23:31.970 looks as though, you know, their argument here is going 1:23:32.020 --> 1:23:35.630 to be that because, you know, recklessness goes to mental state. 1:23:36.110 --> 1:23:37.670 You know, you have, you know, right now he is 1:23:37.710 --> 1:23:40.850 charged with aggravated murder, which is an intentional crime that 1:23:40.870 --> 1:23:45.820 carries life in prison. Reckless homicide means that, you know, well, 1:23:45.880 --> 1:23:48.660 you know, even if you don't think he was totally crazy, 1:23:48.740 --> 1:23:52.099 you can say that if he's included, he was crazy. depressed, 1:23:52.300 --> 1:23:59.669 potentially suicidal, trying to hit this pole, incidentally struck Deputy Henderson, 1:24:00.030 --> 1:24:03.410 then you have this lesser crime of reckless homicide. He 1:24:03.450 --> 1:24:07.200 didn't do it intentionally, but recklessly. And that is a 1:24:07.300 --> 1:24:12.559 significantly lesser amount of time in jail. So, I mean, 1:24:12.740 --> 1:24:15.080 whether the judge will go along with this, I don't know. 1:24:15.580 --> 1:24:18.400 But that does seem to be the secondary strategy they have, 1:24:18.430 --> 1:24:21.790 which is even if we cannot prove that he was totally, 1:24:21.810 --> 1:24:23.870 for lack of a better word, insane at the time 1:24:23.890 --> 1:24:27.670 this happened, we could at least maybe some jurors might 1:24:27.710 --> 1:24:31.690 compromise around the idea that he was just merely reckless 1:24:32.110 --> 1:24:34.650 and didn't do the act intentionally. I don't think that's 1:24:34.710 --> 1:24:37.479 right either. I'll be a little surprised if the judge 1:24:38.689 --> 1:24:42.480 lets that charge be given to the jury and considered 1:24:42.540 --> 1:24:46.099 in their deliberations. But it's possible. And if that happens, 1:24:46.160 --> 1:24:50.469 that is something that could damage the state's case. Yeah. 1:24:50.810 --> 1:24:54.870 And what's the legal testing for whether a judge has 1:24:54.910 --> 1:24:57.230 to give lesser offense instruction? And do you think that 1:24:57.270 --> 1:24:59.269 Judge Lubbers in this case grants it even if the 1:24:59.410 --> 1:25:01.870 crash reconstruction and his own statements count on. 1:25:03.510 --> 1:25:06.229 It? Well, she has to make the call that the 1:25:06.330 --> 1:25:10.280 evidence could that has been presented could conceivably result in. 1:25:11.450 --> 1:25:16.189 jury going with this lesser charge. So, you know, so 1:25:16.330 --> 1:25:18.889 I mean, and the standard for that is pretty vague. 1:25:18.950 --> 1:25:22.269 It's pretty liberal. It's very broad and she has total 1:25:22.290 --> 1:25:26.260 discretion to do it. So, you know, there probably is 1:25:26.280 --> 1:25:31.080 enough stuff in the record, particularly from Espinola's testimony that, 1:25:31.200 --> 1:25:33.840 you know, that there might be some question as to 1:25:34.240 --> 1:25:37.140 mental state. They've at least raised the issue of his 1:25:37.180 --> 1:25:39.520 mental state, put on a psychologist. He said that he 1:25:39.540 --> 1:25:42.290 didn't have the mental state, but he was off his meds. 1:25:42.370 --> 1:25:45.770 I guess he was taking Lexapro, which is an antidepressant, 1:25:45.830 --> 1:25:51.009 but not an antipsychotic. You know, there's probably enough there 1:25:51.070 --> 1:25:53.510 that if, in her discretion, if she wants to do it, 1:25:53.550 --> 1:25:56.900 she could. But I do wonder if throwing that in 1:25:56.939 --> 1:26:00.160 at the last minute, you know, wouldn't confuse the jury 1:26:00.200 --> 1:26:01.180 in some way. Okay. 1:26:01.200 --> 1:26:02.580 When does this go to jury, Steve Gooden? 1:26:03.610 --> 1:26:06.830 I'm guessing, you know, best guess, I would say, you know, 1:26:06.950 --> 1:26:10.610 on Monday of next week. Right now, you know, there's 1:26:10.650 --> 1:26:13.809 probably at least another day or day and a half 1:26:14.070 --> 1:26:18.700 of psychiatric or psychological testimony that will come in. The 1:26:18.760 --> 1:26:22.080 state's main psychologist is still on the stand or was 1:26:22.120 --> 1:26:24.720 at 4 o'clock yesterday when they broke. And again, there's 1:26:24.780 --> 1:26:27.740 a whole second one. And then there'll be closing arguments, which... 1:26:28.040 --> 1:26:29.860 And a case like this could take the better part 1:26:29.900 --> 1:26:33.510 of a day. So my guess is the jury won't 1:26:33.530 --> 1:26:36.210 begin its deliberations until Monday of next week. 1:26:36.430 --> 1:26:40.730 He's former prosecutor and Cincinnati City Councilman, now, of course, attorney. 1:26:40.840 --> 1:26:42.640 And that's Steve Gooden jumping on the show today, his 1:26:42.680 --> 1:26:47.260 analysis of the Hinton trial as now it's there's going 1:26:47.280 --> 1:26:49.560 to be some rebuttals today and then maybe into the 1:26:49.600 --> 1:26:51.950 jury sometime next week. And we'll chat again about this, 1:26:51.970 --> 1:26:53.500 I'm sure. Steve, all the best, man. Appreciate you. 1:26:54.550 --> 1:26:54.970 Anytime. 1:26:55.010 --> 1:26:55.309 You take care. 1:26:55.370 --> 1:26:55.729 All right. 1:26:55.770 --> 1:26:56.090 You too. 1:26:56.150 --> 1:26:57.110 Be well. Be well. 1:26:57.189 --> 1:26:59.510 Horrible story. But I don't know. I'm looking at God. 1:26:59.530 --> 1:27:02.290 If I'm in that jury, guilty as hell. Let's get 1:27:02.330 --> 1:27:04.130 a time out in and get a news update in 1:27:04.150 --> 1:27:05.900 where it turned. My wife is here. We'll do some 1:27:05.910 --> 1:27:10.160 real estate stuff and fight about things as couples as 1:27:10.200 --> 1:27:13.469 this couple usually does. It's 700-WLW-Scott-Fluncher. 1:27:14.970 --> 1:27:19.150 It's real estate time with Michelle Sloan, REMAX time agent 1:27:19.250 --> 1:27:25.300 and proud proprietor of SloanSellsHomes.com. Heed her words or face 1:27:25.680 --> 1:27:29.420 her wrath on 700-WLW. 1:27:32.400 --> 1:27:35.580 Good morning. What's happening? How's life? How's everything? How's the family? 1:27:35.600 --> 1:27:36.650 How's the husband and kids? 1:27:37.850 --> 1:27:41.930 Everything is amazing. It feels like fall and I love it. 1:27:42.350 --> 1:27:42.530 Yeah. 1:27:42.850 --> 1:27:44.570 So tell me about your husband. He seems to be 1:27:44.590 --> 1:27:45.229 a really good guy. 1:27:46.689 --> 1:27:49.510 And he's kind of really a pain in the back end. 1:27:49.650 --> 1:27:49.830 Yeah. 1:27:49.890 --> 1:27:52.210 It just doesn't seem that way. I've heard nothing but 1:27:52.250 --> 1:27:55.179 good things about that, man. Anyway, my wife, Michelle Sloan 1:27:55.200 --> 1:27:59.940 is here. Remax time and SloanSloanSloans.com open house show. And 1:27:59.960 --> 1:28:02.240 that is on the iHeartRadio app. If you want to 1:28:02.260 --> 1:28:03.100 check out the podcast. 1:28:04.000 --> 1:28:04.300 All right. 1:28:04.340 --> 1:28:06.629 So what are we talking about? Oh, we, we, So here's– 1:28:06.660 --> 1:28:11.700 we had a little contest. Went to Target World Academy, 1:28:12.100 --> 1:28:14.750 and we haven't shot our handguns in a while. 1:28:14.770 --> 1:28:15.550 I thought, well, this would be a. 1:28:15.530 --> 1:28:18.250 Good time to go and shoot a little bit, which 1:28:18.530 --> 1:28:20.370 I kind of miss doing. You know, you get into life. 1:28:20.450 --> 1:28:23.270 It's like, I'll do it tomorrow. I'll do it– you know, 1:28:23.290 --> 1:28:25.490 you've got to set some time aside. And I forget 1:28:25.530 --> 1:28:28.210 how enjoyable it is, right? We both have to– sort 1:28:28.229 --> 1:28:30.729 of like, okay, we'll have a little contest here. And 1:28:30.950 --> 1:28:33.350 I forget how many yards it was. Maybe five, seven yards. 1:28:33.410 --> 1:28:33.670 Forget. 1:28:34.490 --> 1:28:36.719 No, it was, it was at least 10. 1:28:36.720 --> 1:28:38.840 Oh, 10 yards. I can't remember. It was 11 yards. 1:28:38.880 --> 1:28:39.740 It was 11 yards. 1:28:40.200 --> 1:28:40.439 Yeah. 1:28:40.620 --> 1:28:40.880 Yeah. 1:28:40.939 --> 1:28:41.099 Yeah. 1:28:42.260 --> 1:28:43.559 And that's farther than you think. 1:28:45.220 --> 1:28:45.400 Yeah. 1:28:45.439 --> 1:28:46.020 Well, it is. 1:28:46.080 --> 1:28:46.300 Sure. 1:28:46.520 --> 1:28:48.360 I mean, if you, now, if you're an expert shooter, 1:28:48.380 --> 1:28:50.059 you shoot all the time. It's not, but you know, 1:28:50.080 --> 1:28:52.820 for us, we're kind of like occasionally we can occasionally 1:28:52.880 --> 1:28:55.309 do it. So yeah, we had a little contest. The 1:28:55.330 --> 1:28:57.030 video is by the way, if you want to see 1:28:57.070 --> 1:29:00.950 who won, it's on your Facebook. And Insta and everything else? 1:29:01.850 --> 1:29:02.850 Uh-huh. Absolutely. 1:29:02.870 --> 1:29:04.550 What's the handle there? What's the handle? 1:29:05.550 --> 1:29:06.349 Michelle Sloan. 1:29:06.590 --> 1:29:08.770 I'm going to share it on mine, too, at Scott Sloan. 1:29:09.229 --> 1:29:09.870 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:29:10.330 --> 1:29:16.890 Yeah, no, it, yeah, spoiler alert. I'm very competitive. 1:29:16.970 --> 1:29:19.290 You are very competitive. You are competitive. 1:29:19.950 --> 1:29:24.689 I'm very competitive. Yeah, no, they have, at Target World Academy, 1:29:24.729 --> 1:29:28.850 they have, you can challenge other members. they give you 1:29:28.890 --> 1:29:32.719 a challenge coin. It's very fun. You know, I like 1:29:32.760 --> 1:29:35.640 a little bling. So I got a challenge coin and 1:29:35.700 --> 1:29:39.400 we challenged each other and it's on a timer and they, 1:29:39.500 --> 1:29:41.200 you know, you get, how many shots did you get? 1:29:41.280 --> 1:29:42.120 Five shots. 1:29:42.460 --> 1:29:42.680 Yep. 1:29:43.080 --> 1:29:45.259 And it's timed. He says, ding. 1:29:45.460 --> 1:29:46.599 And you shoot from there. 1:29:46.640 --> 1:29:48.759 You do it from a, I think like five yards 1:29:48.800 --> 1:29:50.820 and then 11 and then further out. So yeah, it's, 1:29:50.920 --> 1:29:52.820 and it's, and it's pretty cool. You know, they keep 1:29:52.840 --> 1:29:55.460 score and it's just like an in-house kind of contest 1:29:55.520 --> 1:29:57.610 between shooters. So if you want to challenge somebody to 1:29:57.630 --> 1:29:59.090 pull your challenge coin out, you have to have your 1:29:59.110 --> 1:30:02.050 challenge coin with you when you become a member there 1:30:02.170 --> 1:30:04.270 as well. And I think the other thing that we 1:30:04.290 --> 1:30:05.880 walk through, and I can't wait to do this, it's 1:30:05.900 --> 1:30:07.660 called the lab. And no one else is doing this 1:30:07.680 --> 1:30:10.040 at Arrange and Cincy. So they actually have a, what 1:30:10.580 --> 1:30:12.620 do you want to call it? Like if you see 1:30:12.640 --> 1:30:15.530 like a, I don't know, SWAT training or military training 1:30:15.550 --> 1:30:18.890 where they have um the the room set up you 1:30:18.910 --> 1:30:21.010 know that you go room to room and you're looking 1:30:21.130 --> 1:30:24.010 so they set one up like a regular house yeah 1:30:24.070 --> 1:30:26.010 but you're actually really there so it's you know it 1:30:26.030 --> 1:30:29.110 has walls and everything and uh it's not real gun 1:30:29.150 --> 1:30:31.250 you know it's not real bullets obviously it's it's um 1:30:31.270 --> 1:30:34.110 you know it's kind of like paintball basically only except 1:30:34.170 --> 1:30:35.929 it's a real real gun with paint you know different 1:30:35.950 --> 1:30:39.130 cartridge in there um but nonetheless you go through and 1:30:39.170 --> 1:30:40.550 you're you know there's a bad guy in there and 1:30:40.590 --> 1:30:42.769 it's you know it mimics a home invasion like if 1:30:42.790 --> 1:30:45.190 somebody broke in your house um how do you handle 1:30:45.210 --> 1:30:47.250 that situation and you go room to room you sweep 1:30:47.290 --> 1:30:49.150 the rooms and they you know you do they teach 1:30:49.170 --> 1:30:51.250 you how to do that uh you know so you're 1:30:51.270 --> 1:30:53.170 keeping yourself and your family safe so if that's something 1:30:53.430 --> 1:30:56.060 the reason why you have a handgun which is why 1:30:56.100 --> 1:30:57.920 we have them and we also like to target shoot 1:30:58.520 --> 1:31:00.780 um it's pretty cool because you're not doing a hands-on 1:31:00.840 --> 1:31:03.120 situation where it's dark and it's noisy there's you know 1:31:03.760 --> 1:31:06.580 um they simulate they make it really really cool so 1:31:06.620 --> 1:31:08.260 that is something that you can do there as well 1:31:08.300 --> 1:31:09.600 no one else is doing it that's why it's a 1:31:09.920 --> 1:31:11.139 you know, the premier training Academy. 1:31:11.160 --> 1:31:14.300 So we, we love target world, Sharonville target world, academy.com. 1:31:14.860 --> 1:31:19.840 Absolutely. I'll be honest. My heart was racing in that 1:31:19.960 --> 1:31:24.870 simulator area. Um, because around any corner could be a 1:31:24.890 --> 1:31:29.410 bad guy, could be your child being, I mean, there's, 1:31:29.530 --> 1:31:32.090 there's all kinds of different, real life situation. 1:31:32.110 --> 1:31:34.070 They've got furniture in there and the whole thing, and 1:31:34.110 --> 1:31:35.640 you gotta, you know, get, get your gun out of 1:31:35.660 --> 1:31:37.780 the safe and, and go through. 1:31:37.560 --> 1:31:40.679 And you hope that you're never, ever in that situation. 1:31:40.720 --> 1:31:43.500 But if you are, then you will feel more prepared. 1:31:43.520 --> 1:31:44.620 Yeah. Yeah. 1:31:44.640 --> 1:31:48.430 And you know, for someone who, you know, I probably, 1:31:49.070 --> 1:31:53.090 we had our CCW for a while and then we 1:31:53.110 --> 1:31:55.610 let it lapse because in the state of Ohio, you 1:31:55.650 --> 1:31:56.809 don't need one anymore. 1:31:56.830 --> 1:31:56.930 Right. 1:31:57.330 --> 1:32:00.140 But at the same time, you know, they have the 1:32:00.180 --> 1:32:04.120 classes if you want to get your concealed carry license. 1:32:04.840 --> 1:32:07.840 And I don't think that's a bad idea because I 1:32:07.880 --> 1:32:09.759 think we're going to go back through that class. 1:32:09.979 --> 1:32:13.350 Yeah, it protects you for legally speaking. That's a lot 1:32:13.390 --> 1:32:15.189 of those things you can do with a CCW that 1:32:15.330 --> 1:32:18.370 just open care. I mean, you know, non-permitted carry can. 1:32:18.390 --> 1:32:22.250 So anyway, Targeted Academy is. TargetWorldAcademy.com. 1:32:22.290 --> 1:32:25.300 It's in Sharonville. And new ownership, Maurice and his team, 1:32:25.520 --> 1:32:28.000 Grape Henry is the lead instructor. He's fantastic. 1:32:28.040 --> 1:32:30.560 So really good quality people there. We love those guys. 1:32:30.580 --> 1:32:33.460 So let's get into some real estate talk this morning 1:32:33.479 --> 1:32:35.700 here on the show. And what's the big question today? 1:32:36.960 --> 1:32:39.750 The big question is, should I make a move now 1:32:40.450 --> 1:32:43.570 or wait till spring of 2027? And there's so many 1:32:43.630 --> 1:32:47.610 people who are thinking, you know, I'm just, it's too 1:32:47.650 --> 1:32:51.950 late in the season. And interest rates are way higher 1:32:51.970 --> 1:32:55.360 than they've been for over a year. And so I 1:32:55.400 --> 1:32:59.020 think I'm just going to wait till 2027. And there 1:32:59.060 --> 1:33:01.760 is a lot to be said for waiting, but there's 1:33:01.800 --> 1:33:05.820 also a lot to be said for going ahead and 1:33:06.220 --> 1:33:08.439 listing your home if you're going to do that or 1:33:08.580 --> 1:33:11.830 going ahead and getting yourself pre-approved and looking at homes. 1:33:12.530 --> 1:33:16.310 One thing that's happening right now, we have more active inventory. 1:33:16.350 --> 1:33:20.910 And I haven't said that too much. We have nearly 1:33:20.910 --> 1:33:25.530 4,000 homes for sale in the Cincinnati market. That's up 1:33:25.650 --> 1:33:31.210 almost 13% year over year. So there are more options 1:33:31.370 --> 1:33:36.600 for buyers. And that's kind of exciting because back just 1:33:36.620 --> 1:33:40.380 a couple of years ago, you had one choice and 1:33:40.420 --> 1:33:43.040 you had to make a decision in five minutes. You 1:33:43.060 --> 1:33:47.120 had to put in maybe an over ask. type of 1:33:47.160 --> 1:33:51.800 an offer. Now you can negotiate, you can do your inspections, 1:33:51.880 --> 1:33:54.559 you can take your time. You'll have more than one 1:33:54.650 --> 1:33:57.470 home to look at, which is, you know, sort of 1:33:57.530 --> 1:34:01.469 getting back to what I would consider a normal market, 1:34:01.530 --> 1:34:04.490 a more even market. It's not crazy on one side 1:34:04.530 --> 1:34:08.670 or another. So to me, if you are a buyer, especially, 1:34:08.689 --> 1:34:12.040 I think you do need to continue to look over 1:34:12.080 --> 1:34:14.880 the winter months. Now, I will say that if you're 1:34:14.900 --> 1:34:19.690 a seller and You may consider waiting and spending the 1:34:19.729 --> 1:34:24.009 next couple of months getting your home really, really ready 1:34:24.070 --> 1:34:26.550 for the spring market. Just know that you're going to 1:34:26.590 --> 1:34:30.639 have a ton of competition. And with that competition, you 1:34:30.680 --> 1:34:34.780 better stand up to the crowd. And so, you know, 1:34:34.800 --> 1:34:37.180 there's a lot to think about. And each individual is 1:34:37.280 --> 1:34:37.920 very different. 1:34:38.080 --> 1:34:39.880 What kind of homes are sitting? What kinds are still 1:34:39.900 --> 1:34:40.490 getting snapped up? 1:34:42.400 --> 1:34:46.330 Well, it's interesting. It's location, location, location. I listed a 1:34:46.370 --> 1:34:50.850 home in Madeira. It sold in two days. Depends on 1:34:50.890 --> 1:34:53.870 the area. If you have a great house, it's in 1:34:53.930 --> 1:34:57.930 great condition, it's likely to sell. But then there are 1:34:57.990 --> 1:35:01.700 some of those anomalies where you could have a perfect home, 1:35:01.720 --> 1:35:03.820 it could be in great condition, it could be in 1:35:03.840 --> 1:35:07.860 an okay area, but you're just not getting showings or... 1:35:08.620 --> 1:35:12.680 Nobody's biting on it because if it's over four or 1:35:12.720 --> 1:35:16.900 five hundred thousand dollars in certain areas, they're sitting because 1:35:16.960 --> 1:35:19.780 the buyers in that price range, when the when the 1:35:19.900 --> 1:35:25.590 rates are seven percent, seven and seven to seven and 1:35:25.610 --> 1:35:30.150 a half percent. I mean, you're it's it's definitely a challenge. 1:35:30.410 --> 1:35:33.870 And so with those challenges, each individual is different for sure. 1:35:34.430 --> 1:35:34.590 Yeah. 1:35:34.670 --> 1:35:36.670 OK, but even if you have a ranch that's still 1:35:36.710 --> 1:35:36.970 in high. 1:35:36.910 --> 1:35:37.349 Demand, right? 1:35:38.720 --> 1:35:41.220 Ranches are very much in demand. Absolutely. 1:35:41.400 --> 1:35:41.939 Yep. 1:35:42.260 --> 1:35:44.960 If you have a ranch home, whether it has a 1:35:44.979 --> 1:35:47.099 basement or not, a lot of people are holding out 1:35:47.200 --> 1:35:49.139 to have a ranch with a basement because they're worried 1:35:49.180 --> 1:35:52.150 about tornadoes and things like that. So if you have 1:35:52.189 --> 1:35:54.610 a ranch with a basement, you're in better shape than 1:35:54.650 --> 1:35:57.950 just a ranch on a slab. Again, it also depends 1:35:58.010 --> 1:36:00.750 on the location. So many people who are in their 1:36:00.810 --> 1:36:04.050 60s and 70s want to be near their kids and grandkids. 1:36:04.729 --> 1:36:09.880 So the location is important. And it's interesting because most 1:36:09.939 --> 1:36:13.990 people who want to gravitate towards the ranch think, oh, 1:36:14.010 --> 1:36:15.809 I'm going to save so much money. I'm going to 1:36:15.850 --> 1:36:19.189 sell my two-story home and I'm going to save money 1:36:19.270 --> 1:36:22.950 on the ranch. Well, I've got some news for you. Unfortunately, 1:36:23.290 --> 1:36:25.670 that ranch is just going to cost just as much 1:36:26.290 --> 1:36:29.960 probably as your two-story home. You're not necessarily going to 1:36:30.020 --> 1:36:32.920 save a lot of money because it is in such 1:36:32.979 --> 1:36:33.519 high demand. 1:36:33.860 --> 1:36:34.200 Gotcha. 1:36:34.560 --> 1:36:37.400 My wife, Michelle Sloan, and talking real estate and stuff 1:36:37.420 --> 1:36:40.540 this morning on 700 WLW. Last year, the rates were at, what, six, 1:36:40.600 --> 1:36:44.660 three a year ago. Now it's even a point higher, 1:36:44.680 --> 1:36:48.280 more than a point higher. That is really that's kind 1:36:48.300 --> 1:36:49.590 of crushing a lot of budgets. A lot of people 1:36:49.600 --> 1:36:50.700 still sitting on the sidelines. 1:36:51.770 --> 1:36:53.970 Yeah, a lot of people are because, you know, the 1:36:54.010 --> 1:36:57.550 cost per month, if you're looking at, let's say, your mortgage. 1:36:59.070 --> 1:37:03.610 at a $ 300, 000 home at a 30 year fixed rate, blah, blah. 1:37:03.990 --> 1:37:06.349 Last year, your payment would have been $ 1, 800 at a 6.3% rate. 1:37:06.390 --> 1:37:08.290 This year at a 7.4% rate, your monthly payment will 1:37:08.310 --> 1:37:09.570 be 2077. So almost $ 220 per month more just because 1:37:09.630 --> 1:37:12.810 the rates increase. So that's sort of sidelining a lot 1:37:12.830 --> 1:37:13.330 of people. 1:37:13.470 --> 1:37:14.269 And if you. 1:37:26.860 --> 1:37:32.080 In that $ 300, 000 example, you may have been able to 1:37:32.140 --> 1:37:36.180 afford $ 300, 000 a year ago. Today, you may only be 1:37:36.240 --> 1:37:40.280 able to afford a $ 280, 000 or a $ 275, 000 price home. 1:37:40.590 --> 1:37:44.530 And the average sales price in the Cincinnati market is $ 315, 000. 1:37:44.210 --> 1:37:50.229 It's up about 3%. So we're still seeing moderate growth 1:37:51.050 --> 1:37:54.889 in our sales prices, but it's nothing like it was, again, 1:37:54.910 --> 1:37:57.760 a couple of years ago when we were seeing 10% 1:37:57.760 --> 1:37:59.920 year over year. You're not going to see that. I 1:37:59.979 --> 1:38:05.260 think that those days, again, are somewhat over. There's definitely 1:38:05.300 --> 1:38:09.830 a need still, but it's not a frenzy. It could 1:38:09.890 --> 1:38:12.530 only become a frenzy if those rates go down to 5% again, 1:38:12.570 --> 1:38:16.610 which I'm not seeing that being forecasted anywhere. 1:38:16.650 --> 1:38:18.320 It doesn't look like that's going to happen with fuel 1:38:18.360 --> 1:38:22.920 and everything else and inflation, and it's definitely not going anywhere. 1:38:22.960 --> 1:38:25.970 Michelle Sloan, my wife, she is the owner of Remax 1:38:26.010 --> 1:38:30.269 Time in Mainville and SloansHouseHomes.com open house show that on 1:38:30.300 --> 1:38:33.840 the iHeartRadio app and YouTube as well. And you'll have 1:38:33.860 --> 1:38:37.240 to check out her, go see her feed regarding the 1:38:37.300 --> 1:38:40.960 great Sloan shootout of 2026. We finally had it. We 1:38:41.040 --> 1:38:43.360 started shooting it out. No, we were Target World Academy 1:38:43.400 --> 1:38:47.490 in Sharonville, of course. Perfectly safe. You had a good time. 1:38:47.870 --> 1:38:49.790 And Monday, you went and shot again without me. You 1:38:49.810 --> 1:38:50.910 went on Monday, Ladies Day. 1:38:51.979 --> 1:38:52.460 I did. 1:38:52.580 --> 1:38:53.099 You know what? 1:38:53.380 --> 1:38:56.340 I'm really loving it. I actually got, I don't know 1:38:56.360 --> 1:38:58.590 how much time we have, but that when we went 1:38:58.610 --> 1:39:02.729 to go, I decided I needed a new weapon. So 1:39:04.150 --> 1:39:06.830 I made a little purchase. And so I had to 1:39:06.850 --> 1:39:08.150 practice with my new person. 1:39:08.180 --> 1:39:10.450 Here's the thing is she can't do anything without buying something. 1:39:10.580 --> 1:39:13.599 So she feels obligated every time. So if you're a retailer, 1:39:13.640 --> 1:39:15.300 I would love to have my wife stop by, give 1:39:15.320 --> 1:39:17.750 her a call. She'll She sees it. 1:39:17.770 --> 1:39:18.950 She buys it. 1:39:18.990 --> 1:39:19.610 Why not? 1:39:19.790 --> 1:39:21.990 Why not? Because the old one I haven't touched in years. 1:39:22.070 --> 1:39:22.769 I need a new one. 1:39:22.950 --> 1:39:24.140 Well, but you know what? 1:39:24.150 --> 1:39:26.439 The old one had dust on it. That's unsightly. 1:39:26.460 --> 1:39:30.599 The instructors, though, the instructors showed me that that wasn't 1:39:30.640 --> 1:39:32.600 the right weapon for me. 1:39:33.360 --> 1:39:33.979 It wasn't. 1:39:34.100 --> 1:39:36.920 So now I have one that is easy to load. 1:39:37.040 --> 1:39:38.980 I can shoot it. I'll be honest with you. I'm 1:39:39.400 --> 1:39:40.240 so on target. 1:39:40.590 --> 1:39:40.900 Yeah, good. 1:39:41.320 --> 1:39:43.650 Can't wait to see. Next time she goes in for 1:39:43.670 --> 1:39:45.189 an oil change and they say, you know what? This 1:39:45.250 --> 1:39:46.870 is the wrong car for you. 1:39:46.890 --> 1:39:49.270 You need a Maybach. You need a Maserati. Like, what 1:39:49.290 --> 1:39:54.550 the hell? Anyway, my wife, Michelle, God love her. Because 1:39:54.670 --> 1:39:55.250 I do. 1:39:55.470 --> 1:39:56.150 I do. All right. 1:39:56.210 --> 1:39:56.559 I love you. 1:39:56.570 --> 1:39:56.870 I got to go. 1:39:56.910 --> 1:39:58.110 I got to go because we got news on the 1:39:58.150 --> 1:39:59.710 way in just minutes. Got to wrap it up and 1:39:59.729 --> 1:40:01.990 land the plane here. Willie is standing by. He's pacing 1:40:02.030 --> 1:40:03.410 back and forth in front of the door. I can't 1:40:03.430 --> 1:40:06.050 wait to hear what he's got later today. And don't 1:40:06.070 --> 1:40:09.769 miss the stooge. I think Seg's going to get roasted. Well, 1:40:09.790 --> 1:40:12.100 he always gets roasted, but this one in particular is 1:40:12.120 --> 1:40:14.590 pretty good. Just ahead, 700 WLW Cincinnati. 1:40:14.790 --> 1:40:15.059 Come in.