1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: It's nice with Dan Ray. I'm telling you easy Boston's 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: News Radio. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 2: Well, this is truly the winter of our discontent when 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 2: we talk about our utility bills. As everyone knows, the 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 2: utility bills have gotten very expensive, particularly here in New 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: England and specifically in Massachusetts. In her State of the 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 2: State address a week ago, the Governor of the Commonwealth, 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: mar Healey said that she was going to do her 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: best to I guess jaw owne the utilities and have 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: them take some of the money, cut the prices a 11 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: little bit, but also recycle about one hundred and eighty 12 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: million dollars that was due the utilities, and it's and 13 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,319 Speaker 2: and help that help our utility bills go down. It's 14 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: all pretty confusing, And whenever I'm confused about stuff like this, 15 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: I like to talk to John Cesto. He and Matt 16 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: Stout together a really interesting piece some a few days 17 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: ago on the utilities here at Massachusetts the two biggest 18 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 2: of course ever source in National Grid, but then you 19 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: got Unitill and Berkshire, and there's a few others around 20 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: the state. John Cesto, how do you keep all this 21 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:18,919 Speaker 2: stuff straight? 22 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: Oh? 23 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 4: Does get confusing? I'm doing all right, Yes, paying big 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 4: money for my utility bills. Yeah, every maybe a little 25 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 4: less in February and March. Per this announcement from the governor. 26 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 2: Well, it sounds as if what the governor is saying, 27 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: let's let's walk through it. She's talking about this one 28 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: hundred eighty million dollars haircut that she's going to provide 29 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: across the board. Is everyone eligible for this benefit or 30 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: is there a if you know, if you really have 31 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: a big utility bill, does does she try to make 32 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: it available to a certain strata of consumers? 33 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 4: So here's who's eligible for There are two different kinds 34 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 4: of cuts happening here. There are There is a straight 35 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 4: ahead reduction in electric bills of fifteen percent in February 36 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 4: and March, and that's coming from alternative compliance payments that 37 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 4: utilities and electric suppliers pay to the state. If they 38 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 4: can't keep up with the renewable energy requirements, they have 39 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 4: to pay essentially a fine, and that gets kept in 40 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 4: a state fund that's usually used for clean energy or 41 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 4: energy efficiency type projects. And I have not been able 42 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 4: to get a straight answer how much money is in 43 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 4: the fund or even how much has been coming in. 44 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 4: But obviously they have one hundred and eighty million left 45 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 4: that they can rebate to customers who paid that. If 46 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 4: you live in a municipal utility. Now, the municipal utilities 47 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 4: are usually the best place to be, but in this case, 48 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 4: because you don't pay into that fund, you're not going 49 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 4: to get that money back. It's just really ever Source, 50 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 4: National Grid and Unit Hill. Then that's electric side. 51 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. 52 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 4: And then so let me let me hold you. 53 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: Let me hold you for one second, John, because I 54 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 2: want to drill down just a little bit. I think 55 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: that there's about thirty nine communities that that do some 56 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 2: form of their own electricity. 57 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 4: If I'm not that sounds close. Basically, you're you would 58 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 4: know if you live there. I mean Braintree comes to mind, 59 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 4: but there are uh there. You know, I live in 60 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 4: Newton and we do not have a municipal electric we 61 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 4: you know where it's squarely in every source. 62 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: Someone who mentioned to me the other night Mansfield and 63 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: they said that I thought for a while there was 64 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 2: only a handful of communities, but it's a it's just 65 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 2: it's about cross. 66 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 4: The days there there, that's about right. 67 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 68 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. 69 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: So so if you are if you are in ever Source, 70 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: Customer or. 71 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 4: National grid, or is there a few few towns in 72 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 4: the Lemonster area that get served by UNITIL. You will 73 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 4: get essentially fifteen percent reduction off your bills in February 74 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 4: and March. 75 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: That is that is as meaning when I say across 76 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 2: the board, it doesn't matter if you're a multi billionaire 77 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: or if you're somebody. Okay, so it's fifteen. 78 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: That does not. 79 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 4: Apply to commercial and industrial customers. But but residential and 80 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 4: small business accounts, they're they're not they're agnostic to how 81 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 4: much money you earn, and that. 82 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 2: Doesn't have to be across the board, and that doesn't 83 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 2: have to be paid back. 84 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 4: That's one only, No, but that's right, it's two months only. 85 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 4: But then that leads us to the next cut supposedly 86 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 4: that does have to be paid back. The utilities also 87 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 4: agree to reduce electric bills by an additional ten percent 88 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 4: in February and March, and gas bills by an additional 89 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 4: ten percent in February and March, and then spread that 90 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 4: the recoup that from customers over time. The gas bills 91 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 4: would be recouped from May to October and the electric 92 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 4: bills would be it basically spread out from May to December. 93 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 4: The theory being that it's a tough time to be 94 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 4: paying the bills right now because heating is so expensive, 95 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 4: and this would kind of help customers through the tough time. 96 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 4: But you're basically get you're gonna have to pay it. 97 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 4: You're gonna have to make up for spread out over time. 98 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 2: But now mindustanding is that some of these utilities have 99 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 2: today said that they will want the money back, but 100 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 2: they're not going to charge interest, because they were talking 101 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: about basically giving you a ten percent break and then 102 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: getting recouping the ten percent with interest. 103 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 4: But the mindusta, well, yes, that's what they originally were 104 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 4: going to do that they all agreed for the governor's 105 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 4: request today to they basically changed over the course of 106 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 4: the day because in the morning I started asking them 107 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 4: how much is this going to cost us per month? 108 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 4: And the numbers were small. They were like, you know, 109 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 4: ten cents, twenty cents per months. That's in the end 110 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 4: you would be paying an extra buck or two an 111 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 4: interest over the course of the year. But it's the 112 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 4: principle no pun intended that counts. It's like, well, why 113 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 4: do we want to pay you anything more for doing this? 114 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 4: And by the end of the day they had all agreed. 115 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 4: This also its ever source national grid UNITIL and now 116 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 4: the only liberty is reducing the bills delberty gases, reducing 117 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 4: by ten percent. But they're keeping it reduced because they 118 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 4: basically overcharged. So they're like, oh, we won't try to 119 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 4: collect that because if we overcharge you for mass stave 120 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 4: of the energy efficiency program. But yes, they were planning 121 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 4: on charging interest and they and the interest was so 122 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 4: modest you would not have noticed, but still kind of 123 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 4: burns a lot of people that they'd have to pay 124 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 4: interest on this. And then by the end of that 125 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 4: and to be honest, like, I didn't think it was 126 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 4: going to make it, Like, I was surprised that they 127 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 4: changed their mind so quickly. They did this in a 128 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 4: smaller way last year and then they they do national 129 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 4: grade in weather. The utility was going to charge interest 130 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 4: on this deferral because they had like a two month 131 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 4: rebate that then they were spreading out and and you know, 132 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 4: the governor was like, no, that's not that's not kosher. 133 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 4: And then they there was an outcry and they got 134 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 4: rid of it. And I figured they still need DPU 135 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 4: approval Department of Public Utilities approval for these deferrals, and 136 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 4: the governor essentially controls the DPU, and she was there's 137 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 4: no way she was going to let these interest payments stand. 138 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 4: So I feel like it was a bit of a 139 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 4: kabuki dance. And I told a colleague, I think the 140 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 4: dance ended a lot faster than I expected. But there's 141 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 4: no way I was, like, those interest charges would have 142 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 4: survived a DPU review. 143 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: Well, here's the real problem. The real problem to me 144 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: is when you look at your bill and you see 145 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 2: all the different charges which are not explained. They have 146 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: names on what they are and you can take a 147 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 2: guess at what they're for, but they're not explained anywhere 148 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 2: on your bill. And it just seems to me as 149 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: if the different types of charges multiply every year that 150 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: there's more. 151 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 4: Well I don't. I mean, they do sometimes get added 152 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 4: to the bill, but we What I would say is 153 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 4: that we have among the most expensive electric rates in 154 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 4: the country here in Massachusetts and most of the other 155 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 4: New England states as well. And some of that is 156 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 4: environmental policy. There's a decision to charge more to support 157 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 4: things like solar and wind, and you know we do 158 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 4: there are benefits from that, but there's also a cost 159 00:08:55,640 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 4: to it too, so that's yeah, in the prices, it 160 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 4: really does hurt writing that check every month. So like 161 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 4: it's you know, I remember when it was like one 162 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 4: hundred dollars and you're like, oh, okay, and you write it, 163 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 4: you don't think about it. But now it's it's getting 164 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 4: you know it the some of these winter heating bills 165 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 4: are astronomical. So yeah, there's it's a big issue for 166 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 4: the governor of Massachusetts, but it's a big issue for 167 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 4: all of New England politically. And you'll see them, you know, 168 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 4: you'll see you know, the the Republican candidates who are 169 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 4: running against Governor Healy are really going to try to 170 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 4: make a big deal about affordability and the expenses that 171 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 4: climate policies bringing. And you know, she's going to be 172 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 4: backtracking on her efforts to like backtracking is not the 173 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 4: right word, but she's going to be playing down the 174 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 4: climate in playing up affordability. And you know, she famously, 175 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 4: you know, fought to pipelines to bring gas into New England, 176 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 4: and there's a big question about whether if we had 177 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 4: more gas, I mean, those pipelines would have cost us 178 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 4: a lot of money, but there's a big question about 179 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 4: whether if we have more gas now, would the price 180 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 4: of gas come down. I don't know the answer to that, 181 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 4: but it's it's we're certainly going to hear it debated 182 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 4: in the campaigns in the months ahead. 183 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 2: I'm one who believes that economics one oh one, the 184 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: greater the supply, the cheaper the costs. 185 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 4: Right, But you have to spend a lot of money 186 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 4: to build those pipelines, and then that gets spread out 187 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 4: just then over the bills. 188 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: And you go through the bonding process or whatever, and 189 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 2: you spread that out over time. John, you explained things 190 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 2: really well. I do appreciate it very much. I told 191 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 2: you that would just hold you for about fifteen minutes. 192 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 2: I went a little longer, but as always, you. 193 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 4: Kind of happy to help out. I'll just the bottom 194 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 4: line is this is just a small a little bit 195 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 4: of relief and the grand scheme of our expensive bills. 196 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 4: So personally I'll take it. But like you're not gonna 197 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 4: be like vacationing Camcoon on your savings, No, I. 198 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 2: Don't think so. As they say, one small victory in 199 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: the winter of our discontent, We'll leave it at that. Yes, 200 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 2: John Chester is always thanks, Thanks so much for being available. 201 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 2: You explained it so clearly. Appreciate it very much, John Chester, 202 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 2: you read John in the Boston Globe. I would love 203 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 2: to now just open this up and let's have some 204 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: fun with it for the rest of the hour. Uh. 205 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 2: The governor used a lot of her State of the 206 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 2: State address to talk about what she is doing. Isn't enough. 207 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: Remember she appoints the DPU commissioners, and the DPU commissioners, 208 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: at least for the last ten years, I think, have 209 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: been nothing but a rubber stamp for the utility companies. 210 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 2: And a year ago we looked pretty deep at their 211 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 2: background and I think two of the three had very 212 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 2: little connection to Massachusetts. But the DPU commissioners have changed. 213 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 2: I don't know if they decided to quit or whatever, 214 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 2: but it's one of those really important public agencies that 215 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 2: we need to think more about. So I'm just going 216 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: to open a phone lines up six, one, seven, two, five, 217 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty. Uh. 218 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: Do you feel that we're going to actually have a 219 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 2: break here or do you think it is one of 220 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: those little shell games in which they promise you something 221 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 2: and at the end of the day you still end 222 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 2: up paying it. We'll be back on night Side right 223 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 2: after this with phone calls. Coming back right after. 224 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: This night Side Thought with Dan Ray. I'MBZ Boston's News Radio. 225 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: So we are talking about your energy costs. We're talking 226 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 2: about another storm coming in this weekend. Maybe we're repeating 227 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 2: the winter of twenty fifteen, which is really going to 228 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 2: be expensive for everybody. And we have well, we have 229 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 2: created a situation here in Massachusett is that we should 230 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: look in the mirror when we say who's responsible. It's 231 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 2: not the governor's fault. It's it's the fault of the voters. 232 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 2: We live in a one party state, and whenever there's 233 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 2: a one party state, there are consequences. We'll go to 234 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 2: Matt and Lowell. First, Matt, how are you dealing with 235 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: your energy costs this winter? 236 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 5: Given that for me, I don't have to personally deal 237 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 5: with it. It's handled elsewhere. All I can say is 238 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 5: that you know the costs have or would be very 239 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 5: high if it was me personally. 240 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: Okay, So I don't understand. So you do not pay 241 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 2: energy bills? 242 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 5: No, I don't. I'm in the hospital right now. I 243 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 5: don't not pay energy of. 244 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 2: Those Okay, do you have an apartment where you have 245 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: to pay energy bills or no? 246 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 5: At times? 247 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 6: Yeah? 248 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,479 Speaker 3: When when I be back there. 249 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, do you do you want to say something 250 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 2: on this topic. If you're not impacted by this topic, 251 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 2: I prefer to move on. 252 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. I just think that, you know, the energy costs 253 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 5: are what these companies bank their dollar on and what 254 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 5: they base their incomes on and their ability to thrive 255 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 5: as a company. And it's rather that than the summer 256 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 5: hot weather, you know, Like you know, I used to 257 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 5: live in Florida, so when I live there, you know, 258 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 5: a costs for all the time, year round, quite expensive 259 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 5: for air conditioning, which really tanks gas and UH power. 260 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 5: And you know, I wouldn't be mad at any government 261 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 5: or government Matt. 262 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 2: Matt, I think you're rambling on me a little bit. 263 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 2: I'm gonna gonna move on. I hope you get yourself better. Okay, 264 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 2: I think I know who this. Get yourself better, and 265 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 2: we'll be looking forward to talking to you soon. Thanks, buddy, 266 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 2: talk to you soon. Okay. Let me get back on 267 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: focus here, Scott and Quincy. Scott, go right ahead. 268 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 6: Third, Dan, The thing that I really don't like about 269 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 6: this whole thing is it's a hidden tax on our 270 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 6: electric bill, and it's paying for people's heat pumps and 271 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 6: solar panels and all that, all that other stuff, and 272 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 6: all the people who are employed by Mass Energy. You know, 273 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 6: I have Mass Energy audit, and I was not the 274 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 6: least but impressed in that. They gave me some free 275 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 6: light bulbs, They gave me some power strips. They looked 276 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 6: at my house and said, yeah, you could use some 277 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 6: more insulation. But what they didn't do is I have 278 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 6: the Hydraunic heat registers, and I found out that the 279 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 6: previous occupant had had pets, and the heating fins were 280 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 6: covered with all this dog here. I took all those 281 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 6: apart and vacuumed it all up. My heat started working 282 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 6: on Gangbusters and my heating though, what might have the 283 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 6: mass people didn't tell me that. 284 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 2: So my only question to you is when you bought 285 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: was this your house or a condo that you're living in? 286 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, my house in Quincy. 287 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 2: Real quick question. Did you have an inspection done before 288 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: you bought the house? Oh? 289 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, they didn't catch it either in those days. 290 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: You should you should go back to them and say, 291 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 2: I mean that that that's that's that's unfortunate. But but no, 292 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: you're right, and look heat, heat and utilities between your 293 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 2: gas and electricity. You can't live in New England without those. 294 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 2: I mean the winter gets very dark and very cold. 295 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: There might be some parts of the company or the country, 296 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 2: you know, if you live in I don't know, in 297 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 2: Key West or or even San Diego, maybe maybe you 298 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: can get away with uh uh not a whole lot 299 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 2: of heat. But around here we have no choice. And 300 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: we've fought gas pipelines. I believe that we have fought 301 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: against you know, our politicians, our political leaders have fought 302 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: against gas pipelines. I remember some of the rallies. They 303 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: were trying to put a gas pipeline in West Roxbury. 304 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 2: This is going to be ten or twelve years ago. 305 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 2: And everybody who's up there, well, we don't want a 306 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 2: gas pipeline in our community because they can explode and 307 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 2: they can blow up. Oh I know, I understand that, 308 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 2: but they got to go somewhere. 309 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 6: Dan, I have oil heat, you know. I buy three 310 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 6: tanks oil a year for around four hundred to five 311 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 6: hundred dollars depending on the price. Now on your sister 312 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 6: TV station, I saw someone a report where people who 313 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 6: bought these heat pump systems, are paying five and six 314 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 6: hundred dollars a month for electricity to run those things. 315 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 6: And one elderly couple, I love this. Their heat pump 316 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 6: was so expensive to run that they put woodstoves in 317 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 6: and now they're heating their house with cords of wood, 318 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 6: totally defeating the green purpose of that energy conversion. 319 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 2: Well, then the government gave incentivized people to do this, 320 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 2: you know, get solar or get this. And I don't 321 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 2: think solar works in New England as well as it 322 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 2: works in places like Arizona. And people said, oh, I'm 323 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: going to get a tax break from the government. So 324 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 2: the government created policy. And they could have created a 325 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 2: policy that said, if you buy a box of crayons 326 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 2: and you scribble on the back of your house, we'll 327 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 2: give you a thousand dollars tax credit. And you know, 328 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 2: people probably would have bought the box of crayons and 329 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 2: got the thousand dollar tax credit or the whatever, because 330 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 2: they're saying, well, that's going to cut down my tax bill. 331 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 2: But it doesn't do anything for your house. I mean, 332 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: doesn't the way they keep your house any warmer. It's 333 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 2: there's a lot of we talk about scams, but the 334 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 2: government allows themselves to get caught into a lot of scams, 335 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 2: get caught up in a lot of scams as well. Well. 336 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 2: The same people who are flying to Dobbels in private 337 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 2: jets are telling all of us to turn down the 338 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 2: heat in our home because we're impacting our footprint. It's 339 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: very frustrating, very frustrating. Scott. Great to hear your voice. 340 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I got my news coming up, 341 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 2: so I got to take the newscast. We will talk again. 342 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 2: Great call, great call, Scott, Thank you very much. Six 343 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 2: seven two five four ten thirty. Got a couple of 344 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 2: lines there and one at six one seven on nine 345 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 2: three to one, ten thirty. What are you doing to 346 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: keep your your bills, your utility bills down, your gas bills, 347 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 2: your your your electric bills. The governor gave a nice 348 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 2: speech and there will be some relief, but that is 349 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 2: relief that could have been used earlier. Thank goodness, it's 350 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 2: there now. In a moment, we're going to talk with 351 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 2: one of the Republican candidates for governor. Brian Shortsleeve will 352 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 2: join us on the other side of this break. We'll 353 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 2: also have room for more phone calls, so keep it 354 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: coming six seven, two, five, four, ten thirty, six, one, seven, nine, 355 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: three thirty. Back on Nightside after this, we're gonna talk 356 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 2: at ten o'clock with a guest I had on a 357 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago in the eight o'clock hour about 358 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 2: the so called tiny home movement. There's a lot to 359 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 2: this subject. We're gonna be talking with John grishpol CEO 360 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 2: of what's called maxible Space maxiblespace dot com. Uh. He 361 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 2: and I had some disagreements. We'll have a polite conversation tonight. 362 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 2: We'll invite you to join us after the ten o'clock news, 363 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: But for now, I'll let to know what are your 364 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 2: utility bills? How much are you paying? What are you 365 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 2: doing about it other than writing a check? Back on 366 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 2: Night Side with Brian Shortsleeve, Republican candidate for governor. He's 367 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 2: calling in, uh, not as a guest, but he's calling in, 368 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: which is always smart. Back on Nightside after this. 369 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray on WBS, Boston's news radio. 370 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: So we're talking about utility cost in Massachusetts is a 371 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 2: subject that is important. It's also important wherever you are, 372 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: and I suspected in other states has problems as well, 373 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 2: but one man who is trying to try to do 374 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 2: something about it if he gets elected. Brian shortz Leave 375 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 2: is Republican candidate for governor calling in tonight. Brian, thank 376 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 2: you for calling in. You are always welcome as a listener. 377 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 2: So what what would you like to talk about this evening, 378 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 2: mister short Sleeve. 379 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 3: Well, listen, dad. I was at Fayir Healey's State of 380 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 3: the State address last week and I heard her policy 381 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 3: for rate relief, and I think it's a shell game. 382 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 3: She's offering rate payers a break now you're going to 383 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 3: pay it back in May and June. What we need 384 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 3: is a governor that will strip all of those state 385 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 3: mandata fees out of your bill. All of the growth 386 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 3: and electricity bills in this date, in the last three 387 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 3: years are state mandatd fees. It's not the cost of power. No, 388 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 3: you look at your bill today and less than half 389 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 3: of it is the cost of power. Dan. Those are 390 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 3: more of Heally's policies. She could call the Department of 391 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 3: Public Utilities tomorrow and tell them to trip those fees out, 392 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 3: but she won't do what I'm governor, I'll do that 393 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 3: on day one. 394 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 2: So the fees. We're talking about it, and I'm looking 395 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 2: at different fees here. So you have on an electric bill, Brian, 396 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: and you probably know this better than I do, but 397 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 2: you have the the supply charge, uh. And then you 398 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,959 Speaker 2: have other you have a you have an energy efficiency charge, 399 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 2: an electrical vehicle program charge, a renewable energy charge. They 400 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 2: look like that. I'm being double charged here. It's like 401 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 2: you got a customer charge. So it's ten dollars just 402 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 2: to be a customer. A distribution charge, a transition charge, 403 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 2: a transmission charge, a net meter recovery search charge, a 404 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 2: revenue decoupling charge, whatever the heck that. 405 00:22:55,040 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 3: Is related to Healey's climate agenda. There are twelve charges now, 406 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 3: by the way, inside of the distribution charge, there's a 407 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 3: solar charge, there's a solar contract adjustment charge. There's attorney 408 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 3: general consulting fees. Let's call these what they are, Dan, 409 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 3: they are taxes. These are all taxes. It's that simple. 410 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 3: Governor Heally is running one point five billion dollars a 411 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 3: year of state taxes through your utility bill. And I 412 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 3: think it's unfair to work in families, it is unfair 413 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 3: to small businesses. Everywhere I travel around this state work 414 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 3: in families. Tell me they're getting crushed by these utility bills. 415 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 3: And it was as your earlier caller talked about, it's 416 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 3: a stealth tax and the governor could strip those fees 417 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 3: out tomorrow if she wanted to. 418 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 2: Okay, So let me ask you this, and I need 419 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 2: to challenge you a little bit, Brian. I think the 420 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 2: points you're making your excellent ones. But Charlie Baker was 421 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: governor in the state for eight years. What percentage of 422 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 2: those fees came in under the Baker administration? I don't 423 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 2: know the answer to that question. But are you telling 424 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 2: me the all arrived after maur Heay became governor, of all. 425 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 3: Of the growth in your bill in the last three years, 426 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 3: our state man dated sees the mass Safe program a 427 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 3: decade ago was a small program. It was one hundred 428 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 3: million dollars a year. Nobody noticed it. That is now 429 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 3: a one point five billion dollar program running through your bill. 430 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 3: Those the programs have grown dramatically. That's that's dizauglio. 431 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 2: That has grown fifteen times. If it's gone from you 432 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 2: said a billion a year to fifteen billion, that's fifteen point. 433 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 3: It's one point five billion right now. Running through it's 434 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 3: but it's dramatically growing. Auto Dzauglio did an audit on 435 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 3: the mass Safe program over the summer. It was a 436 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 3: scathing audit. You know what she found about the mass 437 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 3: Safe program, which is what we all know, working families 438 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 3: paying exorbitant fees and getting little or nothing in return 439 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 3: for that program. You also can't participate or all the 440 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 3: folks out there that rent, If you rent an apartment, 441 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 3: you're paying ever Source bills. You're paying state fees for 442 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 3: all these programs for example heat pumps. You're a renter. 443 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 3: You can't participate that you don't own. You don't own 444 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 3: the home. So when it comes to working families and renters, 445 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 3: they're paying exorbitant fees and they're getting little or nothing 446 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 3: in return. And by the way, there are thirty five 447 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 3: communities that don't participate in any of these programs. If 448 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 3: you lived in Braintree, yep, you're paying sixteen cents to 449 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 3: kill one hour. That's less than half what you pay 450 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 3: with ever Source or National Grid, and it's all state fees. 451 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 2: Well, I also will say that that if people will 452 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 2: go to the mass Energy rates website, you can You 453 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 2: do have a choice. You don't have a choice in 454 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 2: part of your bill, but in terms of who your 455 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 2: supplier is, you do have a choice, both in gas 456 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 2: bills and also electric bills. And it's a wonderful website. 457 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 2: I'm sure that you've seen it. It's a website that 458 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 2: the Attorney General of Massachusetts wants to take down. Are 459 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 2: you aware of that? 460 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 3: I am. And by the way, in the old days, Dan, 461 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 3: most of your electricity bill was applied. That used to 462 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 3: be most of the bill. If you look at the 463 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 3: bill today, I've got mine in my hand. The supply 464 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 3: charge is one hundred and thirty five bucks. The total 465 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 3: bill is almost four hundred. But what does it tell you. 466 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 3: What it tells you is most of the bill. Now 467 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 3: our state mandated sees and distribution charges, and there's a 468 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 3: lot a governor can do about that through executive action. 469 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 3: But we have a governor who, when confronted with these 470 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 3: problems over the summer, appointed a new commission to study 471 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 3: why your utility bills are so high. Dan, we don't 472 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 3: need a new commission. We need new policies. We need 473 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 3: a new governor. We know why your bills are so high. 474 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 3: It's a public policy coming out of Beacon Hill. 475 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 2: Well, Brian. A year ago, I looked at the DPU 476 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 2: commissioners and did kind of a deep dive on their background, 477 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 2: and I'd have to go back to my notes from 478 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 2: over a year ago. Two of them had no connections 479 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 2: to Massachusetts. There was one guy from Iowa or somewhere 480 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 2: like that who somehow, I guess had retired in Massachusetts 481 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 2: and somehow got appointed to the DPU, which I didn't understand. 482 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 2: And there was another woman who was a New Yorker. 483 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 2: I don't know what the makeup of the DPU is 484 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 2: right now, but I hope that if you're elected governor, 485 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 2: you'll take a really close look, because the DPU is 486 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 2: the one you know it, and I know what. I 487 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 2: want to make sure everyone knows it. They're the ones 488 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 2: that allow or authorize rate increases. As I understand it. 489 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 2: If I'm wrong, please tell me that there are applications 490 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 2: in right now for utility rate increase US for next year. 491 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 3: And those deep FU commissioners report directly to the governor. 492 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 3: Over the summer, the governor reassigned fired a couple of 493 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 3: our own commissioners. But that's like rearranging the deck chairs 494 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 3: and the Titanic Dan. The problem isn't the crew, The 495 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 3: problem is the captain. As long as we have a 496 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 3: governor who leans into all these expensive fees and the 497 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 3: clean the sort of the clean tech agenda, we're going 498 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,239 Speaker 3: to be stuck with very high cost. We were a 499 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 3: cold spell right now, and if you look at what 500 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 3: happened four days ago, the sun wasn't shining, the wind 501 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 3: wasn't blowing. Those clean energy producers dropped below five percent 502 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 3: of the load. The Canadians turned off the hydro coming 503 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 3: out of Hydro Quebec as they needed it. And guess 504 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 3: what we're doing in Massachusetts now. We're back running oil 505 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 3: fired turbines, which are the least efficient of any kind 506 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 3: because we don't have the base load. You can't tell 507 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 3: the sun to shine, you can't tell the wind to blow. 508 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 3: So as long as we have these policies in place, 509 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 3: you're going to find when it gets cold, it's going 510 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 3: to be exorbitantly expensive and bad for the economy. What 511 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 3: we should be doing is building the natural gas pipelines. 512 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 3: We're a natural gas economy. That's what we need. When 513 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 3: I'm governor day one, we'll call the White House, We'll 514 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 3: call the CEO Williams Energy, and we'll tell them we 515 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 3: are building the pipeline, and how. 516 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 2: Will we afford that, how much will it cost? Will 517 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 2: that be cost that the energy companies are going to 518 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 2: incur and will they not pass those costs onto the 519 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 2: consumers in Massachusetts. 520 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 3: Those pipelines dan just those two pipelines, it would connects 521 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 3: us to the Marcellus Shale. The Marcella's Shale in Pennsylvania's 522 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 3: got the cheapest natural gas in the world and it's 523 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 3: only a couple hundred miles away. Those pipelines alone would 524 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 3: produce more power than all five of the offshore wind 525 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 3: projects which are currently under development. 526 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 2: How quit more power. 527 00:29:58,920 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 3: Than all five? 528 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 2: I'm asking questions here because I don't know the answers. 529 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 2: I'm not asking questions as well. 530 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 3: As the Constitution. The Constitution pipelines ready to go. The 531 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 3: President wants to do it. The governor of New York 532 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 3: Hocal has now said she'll do it. So it's up 533 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 3: to a governor in Massachusetts to give the green light. 534 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 3: And that Constitution pipeline is something that could be completed 535 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 3: inside of two years. We have to have that base load. 536 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 3: That's what will enable Massachusetts in New England to be 537 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 3: able to get through the winner without reverting back to oil, 538 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 3: but more Heally won't touch it. 539 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 2: Okay. Final question is if you're if you are elected governor, 540 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 2: what is the fate of those three DPU commissioners. Are 541 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 2: you able to terminate them immediately in putting people who 542 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 2: will be more sensitive to the concerns that that you've 543 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 2: expressed tonight, or are they for certain terms that you. 544 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 3: Can gubernatorial appointments. Dan day one in the morning, I 545 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 3: replaced them, and that after we start the process of 546 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 3: stripping out all of those state mandated sees. Let me 547 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 3: tell you one last thing. There's a lot of Democrats 548 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 3: in the legislature does agree with me. Mark Cusack, who's 549 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 3: the Democrat head of the Energy Committee, he has a 550 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 3: bill right now pending that would begin the process of 551 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 3: rolling back mass saves, stripping out those fees. It would 552 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 3: turn the net zero mandates into recommendations, it would reverse 553 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 3: Heally's ban on gas hookups. Those are all good ideas, 554 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 3: and that's coming from Democrats in the legislature. This could 555 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 3: be a bipartisan issue. We could save money, but we 556 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 3: need a governor that puts affordability first and more. Heally 557 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 3: always puts her climate agenda first. 558 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 2: All right, Brian Seorcheleeve. If people want to get in 559 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 2: touch with your campaign, where do they go? 560 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 3: Well, please shoin us on Facebook at Brian Shortsleeve for 561 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 3: Massachusetts online at Brian shortsleef dot com. And Dan, I 562 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 3: really appreciate you, appreciate you having me on. I'll always 563 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 3: listening to the show, and I really appreciate the opportunity. 564 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 3: Thank you. 565 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you take the opportunity to call in again. 566 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 2: Make it very clear, my phone lines are open to 567 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 2: anyone who wants to call this program, whether they're running 568 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 2: for governor of Massachusetts or not running for governor, and 569 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 2: they're also open of course to the governor as well. 570 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 2: So it's a it's a it's a it's a free 571 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 2: line to everyone, and if you're smart enough to take 572 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 2: advantage of it, good for you. Thanks Brian, Thank you, Dan. 573 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 2: Talk to you soon. All right, we're gonna quick break here, 574 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 2: we'll come back. We got we have a guest coming 575 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 2: up at nine o'clock, at ten o'clock and we're gonna 576 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 2: talk about so called tiny home start at homes. We're 577 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 2: gonna explore that with this guest. I talked with him 578 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 2: briefly a couple of weeks ago, but I'd like to 579 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 2: get a couple more callers in here. Uh. Is there 580 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 2: anyone out there who is satisfied with the amount of 581 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 2: money you're paying for utilities in Massachusetts? And who do 582 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 2: you blame or is it just a function of living 583 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 2: in a cold weather state. I don't think it's a 584 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 2: function of just living in a cold weather state, because 585 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 2: I think that the prices that we pay out of 586 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 2: our potts for utility bills for gas and electricity or 587 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 2: higher here to the are in other parts of the nation. 588 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 2: Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one 589 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 2: seven nine three one ten thirty Those are the two numbers. 590 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 2: Let's light them up back after this, get a couple 591 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 2: of phone calls in, and then we'll change topics. We 592 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 2: got wide open lines. Join us. 593 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio. 594 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 2: Next up, Susan and Cambridge. Hey Susan, welcome back. I 595 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 2: don't think i've talked to you in a while. 596 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 7: Happy New Year, Yeah, Happy New Year to Dan. Yeah 597 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 7: it's been since last year, so yeah. 598 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 2: I always say the opportunity to call as long as 599 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 2: it's January, I'm more than happy to say Happy New Year. 600 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 2: So what's your ally take? Are you renting now? Do 601 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 2: you own over in Cambridge? 602 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 7: What's your Are you paying a condo? 603 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 2: Big bills? 604 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 3: Yep, you know I do. 605 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 7: The balance billing definitely helps, you know, to spread out 606 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 7: the charges throughout the year. I don't know if you 607 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 7: do that well, I. 608 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 2: Guess you had that option. I don't take advantage of it. 609 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 2: But now if they're going to we're going to get 610 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:18,399 Speaker 2: I guess a fifteen break across the board, which will 611 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 2: which will not be reimbursable for our electric bills. That's 612 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 2: fifteen percent, but we will get a ten break on 613 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 2: our further ten percent break excuse me, which will be 614 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 2: reimbursable over the next couple of months. No interest charged. 615 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 7: Well, for me, electric isn't an issue except in the 616 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 7: summer when I'm Americ conditioning. It's my heat is gas. 617 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 7: So what I wanted to say was I noticed that 618 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 7: mister Shortsleeves sort of sidestepped your question about the cost 619 00:34:54,440 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 7: of you know, building out the new pipelines because it 620 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 7: is expensive. When this story kind of first broke last year, 621 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 7: and I think it was w CBB that kind of 622 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 7: first broke it, you know, almost talking about the expense 623 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 7: of delivery charges and they did like a really deep 624 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 7: dive over several days, and I know with I'm not 625 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 7: sure with Eversource, but I know with National Grid that 626 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 7: they said that the charges for mass save we're about 627 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 7: the same as the charges for what they need to 628 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 7: repair infrastructure, just current infrastructure not built and not necessarily 629 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 7: building new infrastructure, but just you know, replacing, replacing and repairing. 630 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 7: That that was that that has gone up dramatically because 631 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 7: we've just sort of hit a period where a lot 632 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 7: of the things have aged out and so there's a 633 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 7: lot of So he sidestepped to you know, that question 634 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 7: from you. And the second thing I wanted to say was, 635 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,320 Speaker 7: I don't know that we can just blame the DPU 636 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 7: commissioners without knowing exactly what their charter is and how 637 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 7: much leeway they have in terms of, you know, what 638 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,839 Speaker 7: they're charged with exactly, because you know, if I were 639 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 7: a GPU commissioner and I could just do anything, I'd say, Okay, no, 640 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 7: you can't rese your rates, and you can't you know, 641 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 7: obviously they can't do that. 642 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 2: Well, I understand that what I did, in all honesty, 643 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 2: was that I did a die as to who they were. 644 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 2: These were the commissioners that the governor. 645 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 7: I listened to that show, so you don't have to 646 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 7: I remember you you doing it? Yeah, I don't know 647 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 7: that matters where they're from, you know, I mean in 648 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 7: terms of their their expertise. But what I but I mean, 649 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 7: what we really need to get at is what is 650 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 7: their power? What can they say yes to? What can 651 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 7: they say no to? And who gives them that power? 652 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 7: How are they Is it the legislature, is it the governor? 653 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 4: Is it? 654 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 2: You know? 655 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 4: You know, I'm sure. 656 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 2: I'm sure that the DPU was established by a legislative 657 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 2: act which was signed by into uh into existence by 658 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 2: a governor one hundred years ago or fifty years ago. 659 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 2: And it's going on. And obviously there are guidelines. And 660 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 2: I think that if whatever these companies are, I go 661 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 2: up and say, hey, look we're doing this. We're doing this. 662 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 2: They have to justify. You have to three DPU commissioners 663 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 2: who will look at it. And obviously you want people 664 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,919 Speaker 2: just like judges, to be reasonable, that's all. And I 665 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,879 Speaker 2: was troubled by the fact that the people that were 666 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,879 Speaker 2: on the DPU were people who are from outside of Massachusetts, 667 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 2: and I think that of all the regulatory agencies, you 668 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 2: need people from Massachusetts who understand the history and what 669 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 2: this stage is. 670 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 7: Well, they they bring other expertise to it. I don't 671 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 7: know that that's necessarily critical. I might disagree with you 672 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 7: on that. It would depend on what their other expertise is, 673 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 7: you know, so, but mainly, yeah, it's a question of 674 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 7: without knowing you know, what they're actually allowed to do. 675 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 7: I just I'm sort of at a loss. 676 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you, and I hope you'll accept me. 677 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 2: Except what I'm saying. They cannot say you want one 678 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,439 Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five percent, no problem, no problem, No 679 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 2: that it has to be within reason. 680 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 3: It's like a judge, it's not reason. 681 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 7: I mean, I'm sure there's sort of these set parameters, 682 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,919 Speaker 7: and I would I want some transparency around what. 683 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 2: The No, there are industry standards, no question about that. 684 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 2: You're absolutely right and no, and we don't need to 685 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 2: quibble about it because neither one of us know what 686 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 2: those industry standards are. But I think what you do 687 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 2: as you're compared what rate, what rate increases are being 688 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 2: requested in new Hampshire. What rate increases be requested in 689 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 2: how the surrounding states? What are the rate increases that 690 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 2: are being allowed? Are there any circumstances that are you know, 691 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 2: one time only anyway, you know we can have a 692 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 2: longer conversation. Please next time, call earlier because I know 693 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 2: our chats get a little longer. But I'm flat out Okay, okay, 694 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 2: you did raise my questions. 695 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 7: You did raise I just want and I nominate Joe 696 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,800 Speaker 7: to have the pipeline run right by his house. 697 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 2: Joe who It's not Joe Schortzleeve. It's Brian Shortsleeve. Yeah, 698 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 2: former interim manager of the MBTA, Joe Schwartzleein is not 699 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 2: running for governor. 700 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 7: Yeah, I got it wrong. 701 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 2: Sorry, no problem, no problem, good night. Here comes the 702 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 2: ten o'clock News, And on the other side, we're going 703 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 2: to talk about an issue that deals with new constructions 704 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 2: in your neighborhood UH and whether or not your community 705 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 2: has the right to regulate UH through zoning laws. What 706 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 2: type of community your community should be, and what type 707 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 2: of community your community will be