1
00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,960
Speaker 1: Pike's Monday Midday Quarterback Show brought to you and Blackvine

2
00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,360
Speaker 1: Adorned Window Company. They sell the best and service the rest.

3
00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:13,880
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Tax Resolution powered by Tope, Sheldon, O'Connor, Johnny and

4
00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,439
Speaker 1: Leevy Attorneys You know, Attorneys you trust. Visit oel Dash

5
00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,599
Speaker 1: Law dot com. Donado's the official pizza of the Bengals.

6
00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:28,680
Speaker 1: Quality Blacktoping, Cincinnati's most trusted company, and by Thomas Moore University.

7
00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,080
Speaker 1: Accelerate your career with a business degree from Thomas Moore University.

8
00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:53,960
Speaker 1: On ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

9
00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:07,679
Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon, enjoy this part of the Monday Midday

10
00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:13,319
Speaker 2: Quarterback ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station, Thanks to Skyline

11
00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:19,000
Speaker 2: Chilly as well. Yes, the circus is in town, well

12
00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,600
Speaker 2: maybe leaving town right now. A bye.

13
00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:25,120
Speaker 3: Weston Loveland grabs the ball, breaks a tackle, the thirty,

14
00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,919
Speaker 3: the twenty, the ten touchdown.

15
00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,160
Speaker 2: What a sad time. We'll try to make the most

16
00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:41,240
Speaker 2: of it for the next three hours. On ESPN fifteen thirty,

17
00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,000
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station. Thanks for joining in. What else can

18
00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,080
Speaker 2: we do at this point? Can we try to laugh?

19
00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,160
Speaker 2: Can we find ways to have some fun. It's the

20
00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:55,680
Speaker 2: only thing that can help a Cincinnati sports weekend for

21
00:01:55,720 --> 00:02:01,480
Speaker 2: the ages FC Cincinnati trounced against Columbus. Now they get

22
00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:06,919
Speaker 2: another opportunity, so that's not over. But they were throttled yesterday.

23
00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:14,760
Speaker 2: The Cincinnati Bearcats, albeit everything still ahead of them thanks

24
00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,200
Speaker 2: to Houston's loss on Saturday as well, you see, still

25
00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:24,040
Speaker 2: controls their own destiny. That does not help getting over

26
00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,600
Speaker 2: the fact that they were beaten forty five to fourteen

27
00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,959
Speaker 2: on the road in Salt Lake City on Saturday night.

28
00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,960
Speaker 2: Now real quick on the Cats will dive into the

29
00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,520
Speaker 2: game itself more. But with Houston's loss, there are only

30
00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,760
Speaker 2: three teams with zero or one losses at the top

31
00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,440
Speaker 2: of the Big Twelve standings. BYU is undefeated, Texas Tech

32
00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,040
Speaker 2: and U SEE have one loss each. You See is

33
00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,280
Speaker 2: on a bye week, but Texas Tech and B why

34
00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,640
Speaker 2: you play each other this weekend? Therefore, if BYU knocks

35
00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,160
Speaker 2: off Texas Tech, that is now two Texas Tech league losses,

36
00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:57,960
Speaker 2: that would put UC in the driver's seat for the

37
00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,960
Speaker 2: Big Twelve title game. And if Texas Tech were to

38
00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,280
Speaker 2: beat BYU that would be their first league loss. And obviously,

39
00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,440
Speaker 2: if you control your own destiny. You would then have

40
00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,800
Speaker 2: to beat BYU in a couple weeks at home, and

41
00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,560
Speaker 2: in doing so, you still have your path if you

42
00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,880
Speaker 2: went out to the Big twelve title game. So while

43
00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,200
Speaker 2: FC Cincinnati took a bad loss, and you see, took

44
00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,800
Speaker 2: a bad loss, they still have a lot to play

45
00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:28,880
Speaker 2: for this season. I don't know if we can say

46
00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:34,280
Speaker 2: the same about the Cincinnati Bengals. If you have been

47
00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,640
Speaker 2: living under some sort of rock or out in the

48
00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,880
Speaker 2: wilderness for the last twenty four hours and you're just

49
00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,200
Speaker 2: tuning in to learn what happened to the Bengals yesterday,

50
00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,840
Speaker 2: I am happy to report to you that Joe Flacco

51
00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:51,120
Speaker 2: threw for four hundred and seventy yards yesterday. I am

52
00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,160
Speaker 2: also happy to report to you that the offense put

53
00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,640
Speaker 2: up forty two points. They even scored a special team's

54
00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,120
Speaker 2: touchdown on the opening kickoff of the game. That's pretty cool.

55
00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,400
Speaker 2: The unfortunate side to all of this is with four

56
00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,760
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy passing yards from Joe Flacco forty two

57
00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,360
Speaker 2: points on the board, it was not enough to beat

58
00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,440
Speaker 2: the Chicago Bears, who put up forty seven points on

59
00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:19,919
Speaker 2: the defense of the Cincinnati Bengals. A comedy of airs

60
00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,520
Speaker 2: at pay Corpse Stadium yesterday. Back to back brutal beatings

61
00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:30,320
Speaker 2: for the Cincinnati Bengals in back to back weeks where

62
00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,160
Speaker 2: the offense has done more than enough to secure victories.

63
00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,200
Speaker 2: A thirty nine to thirty eight loss to the winless

64
00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,200
Speaker 2: New York Jets at the time, followed by a forty

65
00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,320
Speaker 2: seven to forty two loss to the Chicago Bears in

66
00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,719
Speaker 2: a game where it felt like in the final minute

67
00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,360
Speaker 2: Tom Brady was taking the field, it was justin Fields

68
00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,440
Speaker 2: and Caleb Williams delivering knockout blows to this Bengals defense

69
00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,800
Speaker 2: and in turn, a knockout blow to the season. The

70
00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,880
Speaker 2: Bengals are three and six heading into the bye week.

71
00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,719
Speaker 2: They will return from the buy with a road trip

72
00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,320
Speaker 2: to Pittsburgh, a home game against the New England Patriots,

73
00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,520
Speaker 2: who just won another game yesterday, and then road trips

74
00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,279
Speaker 2: to Baltimore and Buffalo before taking on the Ravens again

75
00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:15,920
Speaker 2: at home. That is the schedule between now and December fourteenth.

76
00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,559
Speaker 2: Show me where the wins are for this Cincinnati Bengals team.

77
00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:24,120
Speaker 2: We will spend much of this afternoon discussing yesterday's loss

78
00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,760
Speaker 2: at pay Corps Stadium. I will head to Westchester twin

79
00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,119
Speaker 2: peaks at two o'clock. Austin will have the final hour

80
00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,840
Speaker 2: of today's show, and then I will join Moegger for

81
00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,800
Speaker 2: the Tony and mo Football Show from three to six

82
00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,120
Speaker 2: as well. So we have you covered essentially for the

83
00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,359
Speaker 2: next six hours on what happened with the Bengals and

84
00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:47,040
Speaker 2: the Bearcats over the weekend before we dive more into

85
00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,200
Speaker 2: the Bengals. The Los Angeles Dodgers also completed an improbable

86
00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:56,000
Speaker 2: comeback over the weekend. What was a phenomenal game, A

87
00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:00,560
Speaker 2: phenomenal game on Saturday night. Will Smith ends up hitting

88
00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,480
Speaker 2: the go ahead home run. Were you guys in the

89
00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,240
Speaker 2: booth just kind of like watching the game? Yeah, So

90
00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,000
Speaker 2: there was in the bear Cats with one eye and

91
00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,520
Speaker 2: the bear Cat in the World Series with the other.

92
00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,960
Speaker 2: So there was a small TV in the booth which

93
00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,240
Speaker 2: we had the World Series on and then had the

94
00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:21,880
Speaker 2: game happening. The look on Moegar's face, Austin when Bob

95
00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:27,600
Speaker 2: Bashett bunted after Vlad Guerrero led off the final inning

96
00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:32,839
Speaker 2: with a double seeing Moegar's face when Bobashet bunted ultimately

97
00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:42,120
Speaker 2: a double play ensues. Unbelievable stuff. Just incredible, incredible resolve from.

98
00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:47,320
Speaker 3: The JA unreal was unbelievable in that game seven, I

99
00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,520
Speaker 3: mean him and Yoshinobu Yamamoto.

100
00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,680
Speaker 2: So he pitched ninety three pitches the night before.

101
00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:57,039
Speaker 3: The stuff of legends from those guys. Uh, that was

102
00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,599
Speaker 3: just an incredible Game seven. Didn't matter what the sport was,

103
00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,520
Speaker 3: didn't matter where it was, who it was. I don't

104
00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,719
Speaker 3: quite understand all the Dodgers hate. I kind of do,

105
00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,920
Speaker 3: but like I don't at the same time. And for

106
00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,440
Speaker 3: that to happen the way that did with Rojas and

107
00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,160
Speaker 3: a dude hadn't hit a home run since September nineteenth,

108
00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,800
Speaker 3: unreal and to do that, and then the play he

109
00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:25,880
Speaker 3: made the following inning, Oh my gosh, to stumbling and

110
00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,000
Speaker 3: throw that ball to home plate. And then of course

111
00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:30,720
Speaker 3: our good buddies.

112
00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:35,760
Speaker 2: She is Yo Yoshi, Yoshi, Nobu, Y'ama, Mota tim.

113
00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:40,440
Speaker 3: I mean World Series MVP. Incredible man, just amazing and credible,

114
00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,320
Speaker 3: so so entertaining.

115
00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,880
Speaker 2: The off season has begun. Yeah, well, speaking of baseball Austin, Yeah,

116
00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,000
Speaker 2: Key Brian Hayes Gold Glove winner.

117
00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,200
Speaker 3: Key Brian Hayes wins the Gold Glove, Gold Glover. The

118
00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:56,520
Speaker 3: Reds opt Santiago Espinol to Triple A Louisville and then

119
00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,880
Speaker 3: he elects free agency, so Espinall is now a free agent.

120
00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,040
Speaker 3: And then earlier today the Reds made a trade. Oh,

121
00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,960
Speaker 3: they traded infielder outfielder Ryan Volatti could be saying that

122
00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,760
Speaker 3: name wrong to the Tampa Bay Rays in exchange for

123
00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,280
Speaker 3: cash considerations.

124
00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,160
Speaker 2: Man, I mean you got to.

125
00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,200
Speaker 3: Be a hell of a negotiator to get cash from

126
00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:23,000
Speaker 3: the Rays. Yeah, shout out Nick Crawl. College basketball starts today.

127
00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,640
Speaker 3: Let's go Xavier host Maris tonight. You see host Western

128
00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,600
Speaker 3: Carolina tonight, and there is a top fifteen matchup. Florida

129
00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,119
Speaker 3: and Arizona do battle on the opening night of college basketball.

130
00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,439
Speaker 3: So if you're wondering what do I do? You see

131
00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,120
Speaker 3: it's on a bye Bengals are on a bye. FC

132
00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:44,199
Speaker 3: Cincinnati doesn't play until next weekend. College basketball starts. Perhaps

133
00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,400
Speaker 3: that can help. We'll take a look around the rest

134
00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,320
Speaker 3: of the NFL and college football.

135
00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,679
Speaker 2: World as we go. Do you know where Marist University

136
00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,880
Speaker 2: is located? I don't I know. Zavier is an eleven

137
00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,040
Speaker 2: and a half point favored against Marist Poughkeepsie, New York.

138
00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,160
Speaker 3: Poughkeepsie Okay, I just had to look that up up.

139
00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,480
Speaker 3: I had never in my life heard of Maris University.

140
00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:07,520
Speaker 2: Okay, Poughkeepsie, Poughkeepsie, shout out to Poughkeepski, who shout out

141
00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:12,360
Speaker 2: the marist from the Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference coming into

142
00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:13,240
Speaker 2: the Centas Center.

143
00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:14,080
Speaker 4: That's the ak.

144
00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,360
Speaker 2: The ak. Yeah. There. It is kind of like a

145
00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,880
Speaker 2: goat before we dive into anything. Bengals.

146
00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,480
Speaker 3: I we're kind of putting it off. I know, I

147
00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,559
Speaker 3: don't want to time. Actually I do want to talk

148
00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:25,960
Speaker 3: about it.

149
00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,280
Speaker 2: We would be remissed. It feels Austin like we've had

150
00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,640
Speaker 2: to start so many shows with an unfortunate passing of

151
00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,319
Speaker 2: a local legend. Yes, and that is the case today

152
00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:44,000
Speaker 2: as well. Bengal legend, broadcasting legend. Some call him the Godfather.

153
00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,640
Speaker 2: Bob Trumpy passed away at the age of eighty, announced

154
00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,480
Speaker 2: by the team Sunday, passed away at his home surrounded

155
00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:57,920
Speaker 2: by loved ones. One of the Bengals original draft selections

156
00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,240
Speaker 2: back in nineteen played ten season with the Bengals, one

157
00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,160
Speaker 2: of the league's best tight ends over his career, two

158
00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,320
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety eight catches, forty six hundred yards thirty

159
00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,800
Speaker 2: five touchdowns and remains the only player in Bengals history

160
00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,199
Speaker 2: to earn Pro Bowl nods in both the AFL and

161
00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,760
Speaker 2: the NFL. Mike Brown on the passing of Bob Trump,

162
00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:21,680
Speaker 2: he said, I've known Bob since we started here and

163
00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,240
Speaker 2: had an extraordinary career as a bouth the player and broadcaster.

164
00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,040
Speaker 2: He was an exceptional and rare tight end who could

165
00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,840
Speaker 2: get downfield and split zone coverages. Speed was his hallmark,

166
00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,480
Speaker 2: fast as any wide receiver, and was a deep threat,

167
00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,240
Speaker 2: which is rare for a tight end then and still

168
00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:40,760
Speaker 2: rare now and then what he did. I didn't have

169
00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:48,800
Speaker 2: interactions with Bob Trumpy, but listening you felt like you did,

170
00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,000
Speaker 2: just because of the way he was with listeners, the

171
00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,880
Speaker 2: marquee guess that he brought on, the way he handled

172
00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,120
Speaker 2: his show, and just seamlessly went from being able to

173
00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,880
Speaker 2: play and have such a successful career to sitting in

174
00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,240
Speaker 2: a seat like the ones we're in. He's a legend

175
00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,600
Speaker 2: in every sense of the word. He's a legend for

176
00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,120
Speaker 2: the Bengals. He's a legend in this radio market and

177
00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,840
Speaker 2: we'll certainly certainly be missed and a guy that you

178
00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:19,200
Speaker 2: can tell so much from just by reading what folks

179
00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,079
Speaker 2: had to say over the last twenty four hours. It

180
00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,920
Speaker 2: is an unfortunate passing, and we obviously send the best

181
00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:26,360
Speaker 2: to his friends and family as well.

182
00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,800
Speaker 3: He changed everything about sports media, like specifically in this town,

183
00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,360
Speaker 3: when you go from from sports talk, or you go

184
00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,360
Speaker 3: from being a football player and then starting to have

185
00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,040
Speaker 3: your own radio show while you're still a football player,

186
00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,240
Speaker 3: and then to turn that into a profession afterwards. And

187
00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,320
Speaker 3: Trump he always credited a guy he heard on the

188
00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,200
Speaker 3: West Coast. I'm blanking on his name as the guy

189
00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,520
Speaker 3: like he first heard talking about sports on the radio.

190
00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,480
Speaker 3: But he brought that here and perfected it and was

191
00:11:55,679 --> 00:12:00,079
Speaker 3: just wonderful at it. And you literally paved the way

192
00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,120
Speaker 3: for Chris Collinsworth who now is the lead analyst at

193
00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,480
Speaker 3: NBC and for sports talk and the this medium to

194
00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,880
Speaker 3: be what it is in this city is all thanks

195
00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,840
Speaker 3: to Bob Bob Trumpy and the power that he held.

196
00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,199
Speaker 3: And I thought NBC did a nice tribute to him

197
00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,840
Speaker 3: last night. And to go from being a player to

198
00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,360
Speaker 3: a radio guy locally and then to go to eventually

199
00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:25,160
Speaker 3: being the number.

200
00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:25,840
Speaker 2: One guy on NBC.

201
00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Chris collins were with us kind of

202
00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,920
Speaker 3: followed his footsteps along a lot of the same ways.

203
00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,160
Speaker 3: But I remember the first time I met Bob Trumpy.

204
00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,960
Speaker 3: We were at these current studios and I'm like walking

205
00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,960
Speaker 3: towards our kitchen and I hear this knocking on our

206
00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,160
Speaker 3: glass window the doors to get in, and I go,

207
00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,480
Speaker 3: I see it's Bob Trumpy and he's like holding his

208
00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,520
Speaker 3: hands up, like what the hell. And so I'm like,

209
00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,760
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I'd never met Bob Trump before. So

210
00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,120
Speaker 3: I run over there and I let him in, and

211
00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,360
Speaker 3: you know, he abueditately, starts talking like what the hell's

212
00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:01,080
Speaker 3: going on around here? And I was just in awe

213
00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,520
Speaker 3: of this guy, and I got to like show him,

214
00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,880
Speaker 3: you know, where he was going, and talk to him

215
00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:07,280
Speaker 3: for a little bit, and it was just the coolest

216
00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,439
Speaker 3: thing to hear that voice in person and to hear

217
00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,480
Speaker 3: all the different stories about him. I was on with

218
00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,520
Speaker 3: Scott Sloane this morning and Scott told me a story

219
00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,440
Speaker 3: of he used to chain smoke while he would be

220
00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,360
Speaker 3: on the air, and he said, you would walk into

221
00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:26,040
Speaker 3: the old studio and it would maybe be eight feet

222
00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,440
Speaker 3: from where the door opens to where the host sits,

223
00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,800
Speaker 3: and you couldn't see him because of all the smoke,

224
00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,440
Speaker 3: which is amazing to think about, right, but eighty years

225
00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,880
Speaker 3: old and an icon in every sense of the way.

226
00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:40,679
Speaker 3: And you know, we don't talk about this enough. We

227
00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,480
Speaker 3: always joke about Hall of Famers. You're in the Hall

228
00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,400
Speaker 3: of Fame now, Marty Brenneman in the Hall of Fame.

229
00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,560
Speaker 3: He won that award in twenty fourteen, the Pete Rosell Award.

230
00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,320
Speaker 3: Bob Trumpy was a Hall of Famer as well, in

231
00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,800
Speaker 3: the Pro Football Hall of Fame. So he deserves so

232
00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,199
Speaker 3: much more credit than I think he ever got him.

233
00:13:58,520 --> 00:13:59,360
Speaker 3: He's gonna be missed.

234
00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:04,040
Speaker 2: I hate it. Unfortunately. At times someone passes and then

235
00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,640
Speaker 2: you kind of revisit and just appreciate so much of

236
00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,439
Speaker 2: who they are. And as you mentioned, you know, for

237
00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,000
Speaker 2: my career that that kind of took off in a

238
00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,160
Speaker 2: way of being able to play and then transform into

239
00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,640
Speaker 2: this role is not possible without guys like Bob Trumpy

240
00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,760
Speaker 2: to kind of lay the groundwork for that. So very

241
00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,400
Speaker 2: unfortunate news to share with the passion of Bob Trumpy,

242
00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,480
Speaker 2: and unfortunate news with the Cincinnati Bengals lost yesterday. On

243
00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,800
Speaker 2: top of that, it was a terrible, terrible Cincinnati sports

244
00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:39,080
Speaker 2: weekend on all accounts, and We'll start when we come

245
00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,600
Speaker 2: back by sifting through exactly what went wrong for the

246
00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,040
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals yesterday. Obviously, we'll take phone calls throughout the afternoon.

247
00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,280
Speaker 2: Five one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty. This is

248
00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,680
Speaker 2: the Monday Midday Quarterback. You're listening on the Home of

249
00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,200
Speaker 2: the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

250
00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,200
Speaker 5: Now is Football in the NATI, brought to you by

251
00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:03,120
Speaker 5: Hey During Window Company. ESPN fifteen point thirty, the official

252
00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,080
Speaker 5: Home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

253
00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,120
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. It is the Monday Midday Quarterback.

254
00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:13,400
Speaker 2: You're listening on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. As expected,

255
00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,840
Speaker 2: we have a full list of folks waiting to talk

256
00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:17,840
Speaker 2: on the phone. We'll get to those phone calls in

257
00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,800
Speaker 2: just another segment or so. Let's dive into this first, Austin,

258
00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,680
Speaker 2: Let's do the offense first, because we've we've got to

259
00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,560
Speaker 2: find some hope, we've got to find some excitement before

260
00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,520
Speaker 2: we have to drudge through what the defense, if we're

261
00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,160
Speaker 2: even going to call them a defense at this point,

262
00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:40,200
Speaker 2: what the defense was yesterday? Joe Flacco, Man, I I

263
00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,360
Speaker 2: don't have enough good things to say about Joe Flacco.

264
00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,760
Speaker 2: He had the ac joint injury and early last week

265
00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:56,120
Speaker 2: he was questionable. Fifty to fifty played unbelievably put his

266
00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,120
Speaker 2: body on the line for an organization he's been with

267
00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,440
Speaker 2: for just a few weeks. Yeah, thirty one to forty

268
00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:07,000
Speaker 2: seven now, two bad interceptions from Joe Flacco, but four

269
00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,040
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy yards in the air. And regardless of

270
00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,280
Speaker 2: those interceptions, Austin, when the team needed him to make

271
00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:21,320
Speaker 2: plays at the most opportune times, he did it. Yeah,

272
00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:25,360
Speaker 2: I have nothing to say in a negative way about

273
00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,920
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco. I'll credit Zach Taylor as a play caller.

274
00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,840
Speaker 2: I was shocked, Austin, when I looked up the total

275
00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,600
Speaker 2: stats from the game. I would have thought Chase Brown

276
00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,000
Speaker 2: had more than eleven carries for thirty seven yards. It

277
00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:40,880
Speaker 2: felt like he was getting some wins on the ground.

278
00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,400
Speaker 2: Regardless of that. One of the big talking points that

279
00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,960
Speaker 2: I had last week was you can't just continue to

280
00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,760
Speaker 2: get by by throwing Jamar Chase twenty three passes or

281
00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:56,600
Speaker 2: sixteen or eighteen passes in a game and expect to

282
00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:02,760
Speaker 2: be successful. And yesterday they did just that. It was

283
00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,439
Speaker 2: not Jamar Chase who led the team in targets. It

284
00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,280
Speaker 2: was not t Higgins who led the team in targets,

285
00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:11,840
Speaker 2: it was Chase Brown. Chase Brown had fourteen targets. He

286
00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,879
Speaker 2: caught eight passes. Yoshi Vosh, who we questioned and called out,

287
00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,840
Speaker 2: responded in a big way. Five catches, sixty six yards

288
00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,480
Speaker 2: in a touchdown, Jamar Chase six for one to eleven

289
00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,600
Speaker 2: T Higgins seven for one, twenty one and two touchdowns.

290
00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:26,320
Speaker 4: What else?

291
00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,679
Speaker 2: Tanner Hudson forty two receiving yards, Noah Fan twenty eight

292
00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:36,280
Speaker 2: yards in a touchdown, Mitchell Tinsley twenty seven yarder. You

293
00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,159
Speaker 2: couldn't ask him to spread the ball out anymore. The

294
00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:45,400
Speaker 2: passing game was elite now. I thought Fairchild was good

295
00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,160
Speaker 2: up front. I thought Orlando Brown Junior had a day

296
00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,399
Speaker 2: that he's going to to want to forget at the

297
00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:57,640
Speaker 2: tackle spot yesterday, the turnover Joe Flacco fumbled the ball,

298
00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:03,560
Speaker 2: Orlando Brown Junior got absolutely ron into the backfield. Orlando

299
00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:08,280
Speaker 2: Brown Junior was not great yesterday. Amarius Mems did not

300
00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:12,919
Speaker 2: have his best game as a Cincinnati Bengal yesterday. The

301
00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,000
Speaker 2: old line did give up three sacks on the day,

302
00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,080
Speaker 2: but just from a sheer offensive output standpoint, Is there

303
00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,640
Speaker 2: anything else we could have asked or talked about with

304
00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,000
Speaker 2: what this offense did yesterday?

305
00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,000
Speaker 3: No, I mean I think Flacco had you know, the

306
00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,680
Speaker 3: last interception of the game was just a hail Mary

307
00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,520
Speaker 3: that didn't count, and then he had a bad The

308
00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,600
Speaker 3: one interception was bad. He had the intentional grounding that

309
00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,040
Speaker 3: was not great. The fumble wasn't really his fault because

310
00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:43,959
Speaker 3: as you mentioned, Orlando Brown Junior got dominated. But overall,

311
00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,520
Speaker 3: the efficiency with which the offense worked. Flacco throwing for

312
00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,800
Speaker 3: four hundred and seventy yards four hundred times for the

313
00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,040
Speaker 3: four hundred yards for the first time in his career,

314
00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,640
Speaker 3: the most ever by a guy more than forty years old,

315
00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:01,360
Speaker 3: breaking Tom Brady records. Very impressive from the Bengals offense.

316
00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,320
Speaker 3: My favorite part, as you mentioned T Higgins bounce back

317
00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,840
Speaker 3: Andrey yoshovosh bounced back. Chase Brown got nineteen touches. I

318
00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,480
Speaker 3: want more Chase Brown touches.

319
00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:10,680
Speaker 6: Now.

320
00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,920
Speaker 3: The offensive line in the run game, I didn't think

321
00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,359
Speaker 3: they were great. I think the offensive line did just

322
00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,200
Speaker 3: enough yesterday. Yeah, and if just enough equals forty two points,

323
00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:21,840
Speaker 3: sign me up for that every single time.

324
00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:22,200
Speaker 2: Yep.

325
00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:27,679
Speaker 3: So offensively, I still think this is some of the

326
00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,840
Speaker 3: most impressive coaching in Zach Taylor's career. What he has

327
00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,919
Speaker 3: been able to do with this team in the middle

328
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,800
Speaker 3: of all this, with what's going on on defense, with

329
00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,040
Speaker 3: the injuries that you've had, for him to continue to

330
00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,439
Speaker 3: have an offense that is this good is insanely impressive

331
00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,919
Speaker 3: from Zach Taylor as a play caller and as an

332
00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:53,439
Speaker 3: offensive minded head coach. Yeah, the unfortunate side of things

333
00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:56,880
Speaker 3: is there's a defensive side of the ball as well,

334
00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,120
Speaker 3: and that defense and can dive into numbers. Austin, It's

335
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:03,360
Speaker 3: not just a bad defense.

336
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,760
Speaker 2: There are measures out there in which you could view

337
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,760
Speaker 2: a team's defensive output and defensive success rates, and you

338
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:19,480
Speaker 2: could put those numbers up against NFL defenses of years past. Austin,

339
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,800
Speaker 2: we are approaching the moment where you can make a

340
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,320
Speaker 2: case that the defense the Bengals are putting on the

341
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 2: field has a chance to be one of, if not

342
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,560
Speaker 2: the worst defense ever put on the field in an

343
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:41,520
Speaker 2: NFL game. That's where we're at. That's not over exaggerating.

344
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 2: That's how bad this defense is. They are historically bad.

345
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:54,639
Speaker 2: The mistackles embarrassing, the effort at times embarrassing, Shamar Stewart

346
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 2: has a highlight tape, not of his own, but a

347
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 2: highlight tape of what Bears offensive lineman did to him yesterday.

348
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 2: Just non existent. Joseph osaih and bj Hill did at

349
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 2: least register a quarterback sack yesterday.

350
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 3: Keep in mind there was a sack that was taken off.

351
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 3: It would have been forcing a Chicago punt, but an

352
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 3: illegal contact penalty and a stupid one by Demetrius Knight

353
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,199
Speaker 3: Junior nullified that sack. Gave Chicago a first down that

354
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 3: could have been one of those stops that could have

355
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 3: saved the game.

356
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 2: Could have. Unfortunately, they didn't get one of those stops

357
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 2: that can save the game. The name which will go

358
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 2: down in lore for the Bears is Kyle Manonge Manunguy.

359
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 2: There you go. Now you may ask who is this Kyle?

360
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 2: How did the Bears acquire him? Get this Austin, Okay?

361
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 2: Last year, the Bengals acquired Khalil Herbert from the Chicago Bears.

362
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,880
Speaker 2: That's correct. In return, they sent Chicago a seventh round

363
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 2: draft pick. Right, would you like to take a guess

364
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 2: at who Chicago drafted with the seventh round pick that

365
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 2: they received from the Bengals. I'm gonna say, Kyle Mnunguy,

366
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 2: you are correct, nice Kyle Mnunguy, who was drafted with

367
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 2: a pick that the Bengals sent to the Bears. Hold on,

368
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 2: why does that matter? I just think it's I just

369
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 2: think it's it's poetic in a way in which we've

370
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 2: talked about Duke Tobin and failures in the draft.

371
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, who's to say Todz Brooks is in

372
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 3: Kyle Manunguy. We don't know now that Sama J. P

373
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 3: Ryan is probably gonna be out for a while.

374
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 2: We don't know.

375
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 6: Now.

376
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 3: Keep in mind with Kyle Manungu is their second third

377
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 3: string running back. Twenty six carries for a buck seventy six?

378
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 3: How many rushing yards do you think you could get

379
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 3: on the Bengals seventy six?

380
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 2: At least, let me say it again, twenty six rushes

381
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 2: for a buck seventy six. I'm saying that's about seven

382
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 2: per carry. It also didn't matter because when Britton Brown

383
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 2: got carries as well, he took one twenty two yards

384
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 2: to the house. He was on the practice squad.

385
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 3: Last week, Dj Moore took a reverse to the house,

386
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 3: got challenged, lost the challenge, and it became a touchdown

387
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 3: the old double dip. Caleb Williams had fifty yards, okayleb

388
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 3: Williams that and he had a touchdown reception as well.

389
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 3: I've never seen a team just throw more trick plays

390
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 3: out there, like, let's just see what we can get

391
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 3: away with.

392
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 2: That's the thing.

393
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 3: The book is out on the Bengals, Let's just see

394
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 3: what we can go over pursuit. They're not disciplined with

395
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 3: their assignments, they're not disciplined with their rush lanes, none

396
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 3: of it. And so the book is if you go misdirection,

397
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 3: if you go counter, if you go trick play, the

398
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,679
Speaker 3: Bengals are going to bite on it in credible and

399
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 3: they did. Like nobody seemed to know that Tyson Bagent

400
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 3: was on the field. Double pass pretty possible on the

401
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 3: reception for Caleb Williams. I mean, how many times have

402
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 3: we watched Philly Philly run down at the goal line

403
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,199
Speaker 3: on a big play. And especially here's the other thing too,

404
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 3: is like you know who the head coach of the

405
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: Bears is. It's Ben Johnson. He is not afraid to

406
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 3: do crazy stuff. And on fourth and goal from the one,

407
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 3: the Bengals looked shocked, utterly shocked to see a trick play.

408
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson has that job due in part to his

409
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 3: incredibly successful trick plays. Kind of lost late in the game,

410
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 3: Bengals tried to run a hook and Ladder failed miserably.

411
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: But Austin, it should be like the first meeting of

412
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: the week when you're going over your opponent. Hey, let's

413
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: be aware this week, this is a coach that will

414
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: run trick plays. Let's be aware. Let's put that in

415
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: the back of the mind.

416
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 3: And an offense that had been scuffling a little bit

417
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 3: they needed to get going.

418
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 2: I mean, Cole Cormette was the victim of a dropper.

419
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 2: Also would have been four different Bears passers completing a

420
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: pass yesterday.

421
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 7: Yeah.

422
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 2: Dj Moore completed one, Tyson Badge and completed one. Kayleb

423
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 2: Williams completed twenty to thirty four for two to eighty

424
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: and three touchdowns. Colston Loveland, how about his coming out party.

425
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 2: You in a little bit of a law looking a

426
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 2: little bit of a slump schedule the Cincinnati Bengals right now,

427
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 2: and see what happens for you.

428
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 3: I mean, how do you feel if you're DeAndre Swift

429
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 3: as that game oh you're thinking you probably could have

430
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 3: set the single game rushing record if you were playing.

431
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 2: Coleston Loveland, the rookie out of Michigan. Previously, going into

432
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 2: yesterday his high of the year three catches for thirty

433
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 2: eight yards, he had not scored a touchdown yet on

434
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 2: the season, and then yesterday seven catches, I'm sorry, six catches,

435
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: a buck eighteen and two scores. Here's including the fifty

436
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: eight yarder to break the back.

437
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, though, it felt like in the second

438
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 3: half that there were very few passes completed by Caleb

439
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 3: Williams within the structure of the Bears offense. In the

440
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 3: first half, they ran pretty smoothly, they ran pretty efficiently,

441
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 3: but I felt like the Bengals started to have a

442
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 3: few more wins up front in the pass rush game.

443
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 3: But Caleb Williams was brilliant in escaping the pocket and

444
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 3: navigating the pocket and stepping up and in those broken

445
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: down plays finding an open receiver. Can I say this

446
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 3: as well, though, which makes me think call me crazy here.

447
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 3: If Trey Hendrickson played yesterday, the Bengals might have won

448
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 3: that game.

449
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'll call you crazy. They might have won

450
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 2: that game. You mentioned. You mentioned why this team is

451
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 2: susceptible to trick place because they over pursue and they

452
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: they go two hard at times and have no sense

453
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: of breaking down.

454
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, they often don't know where they're at on the field,

455
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 3: how many different yards are the game or how many

456
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 3: different times.

457
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: Could Kayleb Williams do the same spin move on defenders. Yeah,

458
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: and just just running with no semblance of breaking down

459
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 2: at all around the quarterback. And that's also like always

460
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: been his thing. He did it in Alahome, USC like

461
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 2: he's done it in the NFL. He always likes to

462
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 2: spin out. That's his move. It's incredible.

463
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 3: It goes to show that I think there is a

464
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 3: complete and total lack of prepper ration and understanding on

465
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: this defense. And I think you point the finger at

466
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 3: the coaching staff at Al Golden and his coaching staff.

467
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 3: I think you point the player, at the player at

468
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 3: the finger at the players themselves for clearly not understanding

469
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 3: or digesting or studying the information. They look unprepared. They

470
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 3: look like a team that has no idea what to expect.

471
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 3: That that, to me is what's damning about the coaching

472
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 3: side of things. Call yesterday, Yeah, everybody is saying, right now, Okay, well,

473
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 3: if you fire Al Golden, then that doesn't accomplish anything.

474
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 3: And while that might be true, at the same time,

475
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 3: how are these guys so seemingly unprepared? Yep, that is

476
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 3: what I have a hard time understanding, and that I

477
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 3: think is, you know, obviously players have to watch film

478
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 3: on their own time and get all that, but I

479
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 3: think there's also something wrong in the way that they're

480
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 3: trying to prepare these guys to play. You were going

481
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 3: to talk about Adam Rchiletta.

482
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: Well, just when you have someone that's doined the game

483
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: as a broadcaster openly critical of the defense and of

484
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: the scheme, that's an issue. Yeah. I mean, normally you're

485
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 2: you're trying to just keep everything professional. I'm going to

486
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: say what he did was not professional, but you rarely

487
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 2: comment on schemes and defensive strategies, and even he had

488
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 2: to say a few times of just how questionable the

489
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 2: calls and the scheme are of the Bengals.

490
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 3: I think the play you're referring to is Britton Brown's

491
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 3: touchdown run of twenty two yards if I'm not mistaken. Now,

492
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 3: Adam Marchiletta, game analysts for CBS Super Bowl winning safety

493
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: with the Rams back in the day, and Chicago comes

494
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 3: out in a heavy formation. So two guys to the

495
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: right of the center, the guard and the tackle everybody

496
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 3: else on the line of scrimmage to the left guard

497
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 3: tackle a couple of tight ends back whole nine yards

498
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 3: and the Bengals instead of slanting to the strong side,

499
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: which if you know anything about defense, you know that

500
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: where the tight ends are and what is considered the

501
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: strong side of the offensive formation then determines how you

502
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 3: play on defense. Where you slant to, who picks up

503
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 3: what guy, where the safety is positioned. All of it

504
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 3: is determined on what is the strong or weak side

505
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 3: of the offensive formation. And instead of on a rundown

506
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 3: in a run formation slanting to the heavy side, the

507
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 3: Bengals slanted their defensive line to the weak side, which

508
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: opened up a hole big enough for you to drive

509
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: a Ford truck through. And no linebacker's there to meet him.

510
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 3: And if they did actually think Barrett Carter might have

511
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 3: been there, he'd have been a step slow. Somebody else

512
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 3: got pushed all the way to the sideline, I think,

513
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 3: and Britton Brown scores a touchdown and Adam Archer Letta says,

514
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 3: this is just bad scheme.

515
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 2: Yep, you want to talk about how bad it is.

516
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: The plan to rework the defense for the Cincinnati Bengals

517
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: involved Barrett Carter, Demetrius Knight Junior, and Shamar Stewart. Barrett

518
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: Carter PFF twenty eight point five yesterday, Demetrius Knight twenty

519
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: eight point three, Shamar Stewart twenty eight point one. Your

520
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: plan to rebuild a defense with those three players is

521
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: failing miserably. PFF also ranks five hundred and twenty five

522
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: qualified defenders in their database. Through nine weeks, Demetrius Knight

523
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: and Shamar Stewart are graded as the five hundred and

524
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: twenty third and five hundred and twenty fourth run defenders.

525
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: Out of five twenty five, they are second and third

526
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: to last. It is it's remarkable. It is failures on

527
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: the coaching level. It's failures on Duke Tobin for this

528
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: group together. How many times last year Austin did we

529
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: talk about, Man, you can't go into another season again

530
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: wasting what Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase did. Yep. And

531
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 2: this defense is somehow worse than last year, and they

532
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: had a whole off season to understand how bad they

533
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: were and fix it.

534
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think a lot of people owe lou

535
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: Ana Rumo an apology without a doubt, because you know,

536
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 3: he looked around at that group and realized how bad

537
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 3: they were and said, I can at least trust some

538
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 3: of these guys, even though they might be six hundred

539
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: years old and Von Bell and Mike Hilton and others,

540
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 3: I can at least trust them to know what to do. Yep,

541
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna play them. And it resulted in a

542
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 3: really bad defense. But there was a reason lou Ana

543
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 3: Rumo didn't let those guys play. And I think this

544
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: is what we have to have a good understanding of.

545
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 3: With the Bengals. Zach Taylor is the head coach. But

546
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 3: what he does, and this is not abnormal across the NFL,

547
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 3: is he really delegates the defensive side of the ball.

548
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 3: It's almost as if the defense has their own head coach.

549
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 3: And that's who Al Golden is, That's who loui Ana

550
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 3: Rumo was. I don't think Al Golden commands the same

551
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 3: respect that lou Ana Rumo did. And I also don't

552
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 3: think he's pressing the right buttons like Louianna Rumo did.

553
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: And while the personnel is the same for the most part,

554
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 3: there are a lot of those older guys. Aren't there

555
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: anymore to rely on for al Golden But I think

556
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: you're seeing maybe the difference between the two and the

557
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 3: Bengals have run out of excuses when it comes to

558
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 3: who to blame.

559
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, can't.

560
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: Blame the safeties, can't blame the defensive coordinator. You eventually

561
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 3: have to point the finger within and say, you know what,

562
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: we didn't put together a good enough team.

563
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: The problem becomes it's effort. At times. They don't get

564
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: off blocks, they don't tackle, their scheme is lacking, their

565
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: angles are bad, their preparation seems to fall short each

566
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: and every week. There are mental heirs throughout this team. Unfortunately, unfortunately,

567
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: because we do talk in the sense that the play

568
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: calling on offense has been better, Unfortunately, the coach is

569
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: responsible for the effort that the team gives. The coach

570
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: is responsible for who he picks as a defensive coaches. Yep,

571
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: and you're held to that level of accountability. And I

572
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: want to go back quickly to the scheme thing for

573
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: just a moment. I think it is possible and we

574
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: should make space for the idea that Al Golden is

575
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: not putting his players in the best position. Now, those

576
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: players are not executing, but is it possible that Al

577
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: Golden's scheme is not helping them. I think we should

578
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: make space for that. And again, when you have your

579
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: scheme and your personnel pick by either Duke Tobin or

580
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor. Absolutely, that's absolutely.

581
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: But I will say this, I come back to the

582
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 3: National Championship game, Ohio State versus Notre Dame. Biggest moment

583
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,479
Speaker 3: in the game, third down, Ohio State has a chance

584
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 3: to end it.

585
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: Yep.

586
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: Al Golden put a cornerback one on one on an

587
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 3: island with the best player in college football, and he

588
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 3: got toasted. That was a stupid play call, ye by

589
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 3: the defensive coordinator.

590
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: I think what we have.

591
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 3: On the defensive side of the ball for the Bengals

592
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: is bad play calling, bad players, bad attitudes, and bad effort.

593
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 3: And you put all that together, you get right now

594
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 3: the second worst defense in the history of the National

595
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 3: Football League.

596
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 2: Hard to fathom. Not only that, Austin, you also get

597
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: players making comments when we come back let's talk about

598
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: or maybe even here some of Chase Brown and Jamar

599
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,479
Speaker 2: Chase's comments after yesterday's game, we'll get in phone calls

600
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 2: an hour. Number one will also take some calls to

601
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 2: kick off the second hour as well. So stick with

602
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: us on the Home of the Bengals the Monday midday

603
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,959
Speaker 2: Quarterback ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

604
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 5: You've been listening to Football in the NATI on ESPN

605
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 5: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

606
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 8: And you're listening to the Home of the Bengals ESPN

607
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 8: fifteen thirty.

608
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 7: Williams and the gun with the NUN guy to his left,

609
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 7: three receivers right, one left, the Bengals creeping up toward

610
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 7: the line defensively a dune'say motions right to left. Williams

611
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 7: dropped back the throw. Here comes a blitz, doesn't get

612
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 7: home throw down the middle of the field, caught Loveland

613
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 7: at the twenty fifteen ten five touchdown Chicago with seventeen

614
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 7: seconds to go, a fifty eight yard touchdown pass to

615
00:35:54,760 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 7: tight end Colston. Loveland and the Cago Bears are going

616
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 7: to beat Cincinnati despite the heroics of Joe Blackgo.

617
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 8: Incredible, incredible, and you score forty two points and you're

618
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 8: gonna lose. You're gonna lose by six. That's that's incomprehensible.

619
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 8: And you have a quarterback to throws for over four

620
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 8: hundred yards and four touchdowns wasted. Yeah, frustrating. It's a

621
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 8: frustrating game.

622
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: Not even the words, just the sounds of disgust from

623
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: Dave Lapham there and you almost here with it with

624
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: Dan almost having to laugh about it.

625
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 9: He did.

626
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hear it again.

627
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 7: Doesn't get hold crow down in the middle of the

628
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 7: Cleveland At the twenty fifteen ten five.

629
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: Touchdown Chicago, it almost sounded like Dave was being tortured.

630
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 3: It did, Unlie stepped on a lego. Now, as bad

631
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: as that was, it doesn't change the fact that that's

632
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: our wind Shoulders call of the day. So thanks to

633
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 3: our friends at Win Schulers. Maybe part of coping for

634
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 3: you is more cheese spreads and win Schulders has four

635
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 3: different spreads available wherever you get your your groceries, so

636
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: pick them up for your next get together.

637
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: Thanks to our friends at Win Schulders. It's hard Austin

638
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: to grab a lot of postgame conversation because the language

639
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 2: is an issue in a lot of the postgame comments.

640
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 2: Last night.

641
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 4: Now.

642
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 2: I know it's an issue in this from Chase Brown,

643
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: but can you give me a little of what Chase

644
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 2: Brown had to say when asked about the game.

645
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is about two minutes of Chase Brown at

646
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 3: his locker because he spoke to reporters.

647
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: After the game last play the game like it sucks,

648
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: But that's NFL.

649
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 10: You got to play to the last second and you

650
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 10: can't let up even even when you feel like the

651
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 10: momentum shifted. So that would that would be how I'm

652
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 10: feeling right now, is just play all the way through?

653
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: And what was running through your head walking back to

654
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: the locker room? Case, just let me look through your eyes.

655
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 10: Probably the same as we was running through your head,

656
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 10: like like.

657
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 4: What the F?

658
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 11: When does that emotion change to just anger?

659
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: Knowing how differently the season could have looked to be

660
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 2: closed out the last two weeks. You it just it,

661
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 2: just it.

662
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 10: I'd be lying if I said it didn't set us

663
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 10: back from where we want to be. You know, we

664
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 10: want to be our mentality was three and over one

665
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 10: into the into this bye week, and we we could

666
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 10: have easily done it.

667
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 2: That's the second part. It's like we could have easily

668
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: done it one of the manchines. It looks like a

669
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: building between the offense and defense, at least from the outside.

670
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: What do you do as a leader on the team

671
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 2: or someone to kind of prevent that from happen and

672
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: then just don't turn on each other, like we we

673
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: know how they can play.

674
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 10: They played really well at the start of the season,

675
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 10: like they did, and they like they were carrying us

676
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 10: on their back, so doing other words, stepping up. I

677
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 10: think like I think, like, you know, we just got

678
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 10: to play complimentary football, like we put the ball in

679
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 10: the end zone and go up a point at the end,

680
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 10: finish the game like this ending.

681
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 2: Like that's it, Like that's that's like, that's what we

682
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: need to do.

683
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 10: Just end the game, like make them, make them get

684
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 10: us the ball back, let us go to twenty two victory,

685
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 10: and let's end the game.

686
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 4: That's how that's like, that's how I.

687
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: Feel, am I. I can't be upset with him, No,

688
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: it's what everyone's thinking. Jamar Chase essentially said a lot

689
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: of the same.

690
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 12: Uh.

691
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 2: He said, it's not fun when you're losing. He also

692
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: mentioned he's gonna stay in his lane because he doesn't

693
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: want any defensive players coming to chew him out about

694
00:39:53,600 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 2: what the bleep he's doing, So Austin, this is as

695
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: much of a locker room fracturing that I think you

696
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: can imagine in the National Football League and completely justified,

697
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: one hundred percent justified. Now, Mike Petralia, our guy Trags

698
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: did make note after the game that certain defensive players

699
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 2: laughed or declined speaking to the media and said catch

700
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: you on Monday. He went on to say those players

701
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: were Jordan Battle, Shamar Stewart, TJ. Slayton, Chris Jenkins. Miles

702
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 2: Murphy also declined. Now there's been a little pushgrass Jenkins.

703
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 2: Did you say Chris Jenkins? Yes, I forgot he was

704
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: on the team. Yeah, he when's the last time that dude?

705
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 2: Man he's there? Huh so, oh my god. Chris Jenkins

706
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: on the outside. Did he do anything yesterday? Did he

707
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: have a single statistic? I don't remember seeing anything from

708
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: Chris Jenkins. Chris Jenkins was credited with one tackle, well

709
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: not a solo tackle, but a tackle he just jumped

710
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: on the pile, yep, which is one more than Cedric Johnson,

711
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: who had nothing. What listen to this. I get that

712
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 2: it's hard after a game like that but Mike Petrellia's

713
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 2: tweet was Jamar Chase Chase Brown shell shocked. Not a

714
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,479
Speaker 2: great look for the defense, as several of the young

715
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: defensive players laughed and said, quote, catch you on Monday

716
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: when I asked to talk about what happened. So I

717
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: get on one side. After a game like that, you

718
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 2: go up and you talk to the defensive guy and

719
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 2: he says, now, I'll catch you guys tomorrow. Now it

720
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: should be a situation where you step up and address

721
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: and talk about what just happened, whether the players are

722
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: laughing or not. I think we've we've got to get

723
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 2: more info on that. But overall, it's not a great

724
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 2: look Austin to not hear from any of the defensive players.

725
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: And if they are laughing things off, that's even more

726
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 2: of an issue when you see how upset these offensive players.

727
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 3: I need a little bit more context behind what Trag said.

728
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: I need to know what was asked, what created the

729
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 3: laugh Were they laughing at the fact that you asked

730
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 3: them to talk? Were they laughing at something else? What

731
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: exactly is the context? That's what I need more of.

732
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 3: And because I wasn't there, it's because it's sometimes hard

733
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 3: to figure out exactly the meaning of what somebody might

734
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: be saying on Twitter. I want a little bit more context,

735
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 3: but it doesn't change the fact that grown men should

736
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 3: be able to talk after a game in which they

737
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 3: do not perform.

738
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 2: Yes, you can't just talk when things go well.

739
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 3: Correct and they're gonna I mean, the media is gonna

740
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 3: be in there today and they're gonna. I'm sure they're

741
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: gonna talk. But Chase Brown talked, Jamar Chase talked, Joe

742
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 3: Flacco talked, Zach Taylor talked.

743
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: Those are grown men.

744
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: And everything I keep hearing from people around the team

745
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 3: and in the organization is that there is a complete

746
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 3: lack of culture and leadership on the defense and a

747
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 3: lot of immaturity too. It's a bunch of kids cutting up,

748
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 3: joking around, having fun instead of men at work. And

749
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 3: that is a major issue for this defense and it's

750
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 3: on full display. I think in two places. Number One,

751
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 3: when you can't answer to the media after the game,

752
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 3: you are paid millions and millions of dollars, and this

753
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 3: is part of a job, is talking after games, whether

754
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 3: it went well or whether it went badly. And the

755
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 3: second place I think it's showing up is the fact

756
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 3: that you have players family members on social media sparring

757
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 3: with fans. I can't speak for Jordan Battle, I can't

758
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 3: speak for Miles Murphy. But if I were a professional

759
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,479
Speaker 3: football player and my family was on social media going

760
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 3: crazy with fans and going at reporters, I would nip

761
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 3: that in the bud very quickly.

762
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: I could never imagine shut up. I could never imagine

763
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 2: in my playing days one of my brothers going and

764
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: clopping at people on social media. Yeah, and if if,

765
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 2: if it was the case, it would be a quick

766
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: conversation of shut your mouth. Yeah, I don't need you

767
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: doing that. Yeah.

768
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 3: Like I would love for Jordan Battle to play better

769
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 3: so people aren't criticizing him all the time and his

770
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 3: brother doesn't have to defend him all the time.

771
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: That would be great.

772
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 3: But you're not helping You're not helping your brother, you're

773
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 3: not helping the team. All you're doing is generating your

774
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 3: own social media in your own impressions, and like, to me,

775
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 3: that's a poor reflection number one of the person himself,

776
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 3: number two of the organization, number three of your family.

777
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 3: I think you know that that's been kind of driving

778
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 3: me nuts lately, and I get everybody has their own platform.

779
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 3: Do whatever you want, but you're not he helping your

780
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 3: family correct by doing this, and that, again, I think

781
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 3: is the reflection of the immaturity of the people on

782
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 3: that unit.

783
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: We gotta take a break. We'll finish up with just

784
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: a touch and go to get to hour number two.

785
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: And we are completely full on the phone lines right now. Five, one, three, seven, four, nine,

786
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. We'll sort through some of your phone calls

787
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 2: ahead of talkbacks to kick off our number two on

788
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 2: the Home of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

789
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: Thanks to our friends at Skyline Chile, Cincinnati and fifteen thirty.

790
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 4: Men a strong one.

791
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 6: I gotta have.

792
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: Some fun tonight. We gotta need a strong one if

793
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: you continue to watch what's happening on Sunday. Oh you

794
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: got that, Pappy, I got that. I got that Van

795
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 2: Wink shout out to Steve Man, our guy from Charlotte.

796
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 2: Unbelievable gift for MO and I yesterday. This is the

797
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: Monday midday quarterback. Two things before we get to break

798
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,959
Speaker 2: off and one what happened on the Evan McPherson kick

799
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: I'm watching dudes make sixty eight yarders. I'm watching guys

800
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: make sixty yarders week in and week out with you know,

801
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: plenty of spare hitting the net, and McPherson, I thought

802
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: it was good. The whole way came up about five

803
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 2: yards short on a what fifty four yarder?

804
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm not sure if Evan was asked about

805
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 3: it because it ended up being a footnote at the end.

806
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know what happened there. I don't

807
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 3: know if he just hit it wrong. I don't know

808
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 3: if there was a gust to wind, But I mean

809
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 3: it was straight down the middle, just about five yards short,

810
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: which is fifty four is well within the range of

811
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 3: Evan McPherson. Hell, he almost set the NFL record at

812
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 3: lambeau Field a couple of weeks ago.

813
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the Trey Hendrickson Now conversation after the

814
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles made a move today. If you've missed this,

815
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: the Eagles have traded for Jalen Phillips from the Dolphins.

816
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 2: They traded a twenty twenty six round pick in the deal.

817
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 2: It is a pick that the Eagles are looking to

818
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 2: boost their pass rush. He's got three sacks and nine

819
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: games twenty six in his five year career with Miami.

820
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: This is a move that you just kind of become

821
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 2: accustomed to the Eagles making and trying to win. But

822
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 2: I know you're going to talk about this in our

823
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: number three, specifically Austin. But does that if you're the Bengals,

824
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 2: does does yesterday make it easier to try to move

825
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 2: on from Trey Hendrickson?

826
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 3: You would think so? I mean, I would think yesterday

827
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 3: makes it easier to shift the entire view to next

828
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 3: season and beyond. The way I look at it now,

829
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 3: there's a five year window that you have to figure

830
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 3: this out, and there's no sense in waiting around. You

831
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 3: might as well get started today, Which is why if

832
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 3: you're gonna fire people, fire people, if you're gonna trade people,

833
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: trade people, correct, that should be the mentality. Because this

834
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: season is lost, no matter how you look at it,

835
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: it's gone.

836
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: He's spinning at this point? Is this team?

837
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 3: I'm gonna rattle off? Are they gonna go seven and one? No?

838
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 3: They're not.

839
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: So let's start thinking about next year and beyond. Let's

840
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: get to our number two. Let's do so. To start

841
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 2: with your phone calls five, one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen,

842
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 2: thirty your your thoughts on the Bengals from yesterday, and

843
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: we'll take that right into talkbacks, which I'm exceptional. I

844
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 2: can't wait, I can't. I can't even put into words

845
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: how excited I am for talkbacks today. All of this

846
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: comes up an hour number two of the Monday midday

847
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 2: Quarterback Next on ESPN fifteen thirty.

848
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 13: Ky Cincinnati, make us the number one pre sent on

849
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 13: your car radio and on the free, new and improved

850
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 13: iHeartRadio ad Free never sounded so good, ESPN fifteen thirty.

851
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: This is Tony Bike's Monday midday quarterback show. Root to

852
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: you and butt by a durned window company. They sell

853
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: the best and service the rest. Cincinnat eh next Resolution

854
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: powered by top Sheldon O'Connor and leaving Attorneys you know,

855
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: Attorneys you trust. Visit oeldash Law dot com. Donados the

856
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:11,959
Speaker 1: official pizza of the Bengals, Quality Black Comping Cincinnati's most

857
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: trusted company and by Thomas Moore University. Accelerate your career

858
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: with our business degree from Thomas Moore University. On ESBN

859
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

860
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: Welcome back. It is our two Monday midday quarterback ESBN

861
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station thanks to Cincy shirts here

862
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,919
Speaker 2: in hour number two. It is worth noting we talked

863
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 2: about this right before the end of our one. Austin

864
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 2: Diana Russini did tweet about an hour ago that league

865
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: sources say the Bengals are still asking for a first

866
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 2: round pick in any deal for Trey Hendrickson also noted

867
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 2: that teams are continuing to call Cincinnati about a number

868
00:49:54,800 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 2: of their players, but for now the prices remain extremely high. Hey, Duke,

869
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 2: just giving you guys a call. We're interested in Trey Hendrickson.

870
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: We've got this third round pick available. Do you have

871
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 2: any interest? Now we're looking for a number one. Oh okay,

872
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 2: Well what about Logan Wilson because he's he's he was benched,

873
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 2: he's not playing much. We're looking for a linebacker. Any interest. Uh, yeah,

874
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 2: we're we're looking for maybe a second or third for

875
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 2: Logan Wilson. Now I saw McKinley Jackson was unhappy asking

876
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 2: for a second form former third round pick. Now you

877
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 2: took him in the third round. What are you guys

878
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 2: looking for in return? Probably a second late second paka

879
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 2: Gingermain Burton as well, if you want to throw in

880
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 2: a first, that's how the next twenty four hours or.

881
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 4: So we're going to go.

882
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I do give him credit for asking. Hi, sure,

883
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 3: I mean that is true. At any negotiation, you start

884
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 3: high and then you work your way down even I mean,

885
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 3: you and I had a conversation this morning, like kind

886
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 3: of negotiating what the price for Trey was, and I

887
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 3: think we settled on what a fourth?

888
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 2: Yes? Can you like if you call the Bengals about

889
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: Trey and they start with the first, it's almost not

890
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 2: even worth negotiating.

891
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 3: I think a lot of teams across the NFL that's

892
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 3: the opinion they have of the Bengals, Yes, that it's

893
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 3: not even worth trying to get through to them because

894
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: they won't do it.

895
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 2: It's incredible.

896
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 3: I think, what if you trade hold on, Bob Trumpy.

897
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 3: I know you're listening. This is beautiful sports talk radio

898
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 3: right here. What if we trade Logan Wilson and Trey

899
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 3: Hendrickson to the San Francisco forty nine ers. Oh, what

900
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 3: do you think that nets first? Because it'll be a

901
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 3: late first?

902
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 2: Yeah?

903
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 3: Did you get a first for those? Maybe you'd have

904
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 3: to eat some of the Logan's contract.

905
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 2: It probably still you're probably still land on a second

906
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 2: unless you're throwing Burton McKinley Jackson as well. I traded

907
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: him to the streets. Its streets are talking, streets are talented. Actually,

908
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to be out on the streets right now.

909
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 2: That's going on. Street's got a good, good game plan. Uh,

910
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 2: we'll take a couple of calls here. We've had full

911
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 2: phone line since we started today, so let's get to

912
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: some of these. Let's start, Uh, what's going on?

913
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 6: Rick? Not much?

914
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 1: Guys, got a great show.

915
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 14: Thank you, question I have for you? And then you

916
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 14: guys come Hey, how can they continue to not try

917
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 14: two different safeties? Why not put Dax back when he

918
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 14: was original snaky and do TJ.

919
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 12: Jewles as a strong safety?

920
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 14: I mean, dude, how many It's like it's sandy.

921
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 12: We keep waiting for them to play better.

922
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't. I don't have an answer for it. Because

923
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 2: they've shown the ability at other positions on this roster

924
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 2: to bench players and to give young players an opportunity.

925
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 2: For whatever reason, Geno Stone has become this untouchable force

926
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 2: at the back end of the defense. They think so

927
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 2: highly of them that they asked him to take a

928
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 2: pay cut before the season, and now he can do

929
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: no wrong on the field.

930
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 6: I agree.

931
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 14: My last statement is, Tony, you played football. I don't

932
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 14: know if Austin did either, but you know, defense.

933
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 2: Tacklings just it's heart and will. It's all it is

934
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 2: because it's not going to feel good no matter what effort.

935
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 12: All about how much effort do you want to put forth.

936
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 12: I'll leave it with that great show.

937
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 2: Guys, thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, it is. It

938
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: is insanity. And maybe when they asked Gino Stone to

939
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: take the pay cut, maybe one of his provisions was like, well,

940
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 2: as long as I'm healthy, I'm the guy. Maybe maybe

941
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:44,919
Speaker 2: that's how they got him to take the pay cut.

942
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 2: Maybe like you have a no benching clause in this

943
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 2: I guess, I mean has one of those Yeah, no, kid,

944
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 2: wonder what he's doing.

945
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 3: He just went over four yesterday exactly though, Like, if

946
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 3: you're going to do this with other positions, why not

947
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 3: do it at safety?

948
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: And I go back again, that makes sense to me.

949
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 2: I go back to the players only meeting, I go

950
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 2: back to looking for leaders, and people have said, well,

951
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: Geno Stone could be that if Geno Stone got up

952
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: in front of a room full of players and lectured

953
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 2: them about playing and how they're playing. That room would

954
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: burst into laughter, like you're you're telling me what I

955
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: need to do. Yeah, No, No, that doesn't work. And

956
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 2: that's where like I don't think there's a way out

957
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 2: of this. No.

958
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 3: I remember for years now, I have begged the Bengals

959
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 3: to go after Kalais Campbell. You want to talk about

960
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 3: a dude who immediately commands respect, leader, leader sets the

961
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 3: standard for everybody else. Like that's what they're missing.

962
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 2: Among many other things. Yes, where are we going next? Here?

963
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 2: Who do we have? The essentially a wheel? We're all

964
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 2: over the place here holding on. The longest has been Mark.

965
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: What's up?

966
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 4: Mark?

967
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 6: Hey? Let me let me let me make my three

968
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 6: points a little and I'll get off. Bob Trumpy first,

969
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 6: can you hear me?

970
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 2: Yeah?

971
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, okay. First of all, I went to school

972
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 6: high school with his oldest son, So get that one

973
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 6: out the way. I saw his last touchdown. I saw him,

974
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 6: you know when he started on talk radio and uh,

975
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 6: but my my favorite memory he had to show, uh

976
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 6: turn your nob to Bob w B O B and

977
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 6: he put a poll question out there, and he said,

978
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 6: what's your favorite Reds memory? And I called in and

979
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 6: told him when they fired Dick Wagner. I mean, he

980
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,479
Speaker 6: laughed so hard like he was at a comedy show.

981
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 6: It reminded me of how you used to laugh when

982
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 6: I first started calling in when I was in Columbus,

983
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 6: when I were complain about the Reds. I quit, you know,

984
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 6: and y'all bought it was the same thing. So that

985
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 6: that's my favorite membery of Bob Trumpy. Uh about the Bengals,

986
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 6: let me make these couple of points real quick, Al Golden,

987
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 6: I think he's in over his head, uh point blank.

988
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 6: I mean they should have been in prevent yesterday. And

989
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 6: then my last point, I may lose from Tony Pike equity,

990
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 6: but I think I think over time I can get

991
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 6: it back. I'll take Bob pays perfect back at this

992
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 6: point because at least with all the other antics with him,

993
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 6: at least when he hit somebody, they yeah, he he

994
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 6: could tackle somebody, because that that Jordan's battle tackled yesterday. Yeah, yeah,

995
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 6: I quit on him if he on the team, Yeah that.

996
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 2: Year, I'm done. That's fair.

997
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 6: I'm gonna get off.

998
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 2: And appreciate you calling in. You know what's interesting, Austin

999
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 2: with Vontee Perfect, he was a wild card, But I

1000
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 2: bet he'd check his teammates for sure if they were

1001
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 2: playing like this. I bet he'd say this ain't enough.

1002
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 2: I bet he would show some fight on the football field.

1003
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 2: Who on this team? Who on this team has that?

1004
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 2: Right now? Who on this team's gonna be like, Hey,

1005
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 2: enough's enough? Man, I'm fed up? This is crazy to say, Austin.

1006
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 2: I would almost like them to be close enough to

1007
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 2: a quarterback that they got called for like a roughing

1008
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 2: the passer or a personal file because they just deliver

1009
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 2: an unbelievable hit.

1010
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 3: Orlando Brown choking that dude was the closest thing to

1011
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 3: fight I've seen from this entire team.

1012
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a Brown junior might be on the injury

1013
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 2: report tomorrow for whiplash. These kids get that out there

1014
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 2: right now. It's incredible, unbelievable. Man, so hard to watch.

1015
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 2: What's up, Jeff?

1016
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 11: Just another manic Monday, right boys? Exactly by the real Bengals.

1017
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 11: So often? Is there an archive of the Trumpet Show

1018
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 11: anywhere that you're aware of it? Seven hundred are buried

1019
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 11: in the stacks anywhere?

1020
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 3: Yes, Matt Reese has an archive of a ton of

1021
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 3: different Bob Trumpy stuff. I know that we have in

1022
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 3: our system. The day that he made Lance so mad

1023
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 3: that Lance got up and left the show, I know

1024
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 3: we have that somewhere too, But yes, there's a lot

1025
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 3: of it.

1026
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 11: So my dad and I were working in the basement

1027
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 11: the night he talked to woman out of suicide.

1028
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, and my dad.

1029
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 11: Never put down a tool for any reason, but we

1030
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:42,439
Speaker 11: stopped everything we were doing.

1031
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 12: We listened to that for like three straight hours.

1032
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 11: It was unbelievable.

1033
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 12: It was really good.

1034
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 11: So guess who won three Fantasy matchups yesterday by picking

1035
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 11: up my nun.

1036
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 2: Guy smart Man smart Man.

1037
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 11: The guys in our neighborhood league are like, how did

1038
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 11: you know about this? I'm like, well, as soon as

1039
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 11: DeAndre Swift one down, there was only one choice. So

1040
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 11: and then I was on the train back from New

1041
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 11: York yesterday listening on the radio and Dan's voice was

1042
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 11: just so defeated the entire game. It was, yeah, you

1043
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 11: know how we've all been like when the Reds are

1044
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 11: terrible and the TV and the radio guys have to

1045
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 11: go through it. For one hundred and sixty two. Dan

1046
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 11: was not in it yesterday. And then I think, if

1047
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 11: there's one bright side thought about the coaching of this team,

1048
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 11: none of them are in the hot, boiling water like.

1049
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 2: Dan Quinn is this morning.

1050
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 11: Every single command every single commanders fans wants him out

1051
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 11: of town today.

1052
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 2: Jeff your spot on man, Thank you for the phone call,

1053
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 2: Appreciate the words.

1054
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 11: Yeah, I have a good one, boys.

1055
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, what's up, Mike? How are you.

1056
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 6: Hey?

1057
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 15: Well?

1058
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 12: Wild wild wild weekend?

1059
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 2: Unbelievable, unbelievable.

1060
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 12: I'm still out nine after that. I'm not even gonna

1061
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 12: talk unnecessarily about the Dodger Excuse me, but that's the

1062
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 12: best World series I've seen. I can't say exactly how long,

1063
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 12: but it's been quite a while. Yes, what a tremendous one.

1064
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 12: I felt sorry for the Blue Jays because in so

1065
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 12: many ways, but my god, I'll tell you, Nicky Rojas

1066
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 12: Roberts was brilliant as a manager, just brilliant. Every move

1067
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 12: he made pretty much worked out, including Nicky Rojas hitting

1068
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 12: that one. But Will Smith was the Will Smith was

1069
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 12: the real hero.

1070
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 2: Yep, without a doubt, spot on.

1071
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 12: Yeah. The rest wish they had a catcher could hit

1072
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 12: like that. I'll tell you that much. They'll never have

1073
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 12: one that hits like that. But it was so much fun.

1074
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 12: I hate I'm sad it's over. The Bengals came. What's

1075
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 12: to talk about? We all everybody knows what's going on,

1076
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 12: what's wrong. So you know, so they need a new defense,

1077
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 12: Gonna take years to rebuild it, if they even can. Yeah,

1078
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 12: so you know, there's only no point in. I don't

1079
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 12: know what much there is to say about the Bengals,

1080
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 12: but I'll say one thing. Both mixes one hell of

1081
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 12: a fourth quarter quarterback.

1082
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been awesome. He's been awesome. He's gotten the

1083
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 2: job done for that team. And to me, it's it's

1084
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 2: making plays when your team needs them the most, or

1085
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 2: stepping up at those opportune moments. It's it's been the

1086
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 2: failure of the Bengals on so many levels. But you

1087
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 2: do see teams that are able to do it the

1088
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 2: right way across the NFL.

1089
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 12: It's true. And Sam Darno, if he's not top three

1090
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 12: right now, kiss your foot. It reminds me a lot

1091
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 12: of Andrew Luck. He is one tough dude. He's tough,

1092
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 12: and I can't believe the way people have moved him

1093
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 12: around why hasn't he found a place to Are people

1094
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 12: just thinking, oh, we can find somebody just a little

1095
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 12: bit better or what's just stupid rationale?

1096
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, find someone else you could pay less money to.

1097
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 12: So that's what it is, Okay, I should have known that.

1098
01:01:58,280 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 12: All right, guys, I appreciate.

1099
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 2: Its h We'll try to get a couple more of

1100
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 2: these as quick as we can.

1101
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 6: Here.

1102
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 2: What's up, Ben? Hey, how are you guys? Good?

1103
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 16: Glad you're back. Tony. You've got a couple of thoughts.

1104
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 16: I'm gonna try to keep him organized. First of all,

1105
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 16: how come nobody's talking about the fact that the Bengals

1106
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 16: are still twenty eight million dollars under the salary cap.

1107
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 16: Everybody's acted like they can't make moves, but they.

1108
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 3: Can't that they're not that far under the salary cap.

1109
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 3: They're only about nine million dollars under, but they are under.

1110
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 16: I mean, last time I looked at was twenty seven

1111
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 16: point eight millions, and I know they didn't play Flaco

1112
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 16: that much, but man, I could be wrong. That also

1113
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 16: being said, I mean, I think everybody agrees draft selection,

1114
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 16: player development all that.

1115
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 12: I've been doing some research on my own as to

1116
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 12: what our coaching staff gets paid, and basically.

1117
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 16: I'll try to keep it brief, but Mike Tomlin makes

1118
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 16: eighteen million dollars a year and that's more than our

1119
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:07,479
Speaker 16: entire coaching, scouting, medical, and front office staff to buy.

1120
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1121
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 12: Sure, and maybe that has something to do with it.

1122
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair.

1123
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,439
Speaker 16: I mean it is. It goes back to the whole

1124
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 16: cheap thing. And believe me, I've been a big I'm

1125
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 16: fifty two years old, I'm from Loveland, Ohio. I bleed

1126
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 16: orige of black. I've been a Bengals fan my whole life,

1127
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 16: and I still am a Bengals fan because of what

1128
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 16: it means to the city and what it means to

1129
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 16: the camaraderie of the fans. But I am not behind

1130
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 16: the ownership at all, and I refuse to give.

1131
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 2: Them any more of my money.

1132
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 16: That being said, I got an idea that I think

1133
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 16: we should do. I mean, I think you guys maybe

1134
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 16: should spearhead.

1135
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 12: I think I think the NFL should expand the forty teams.

1136
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 16: We should have a sixteen team playoff, and maybe we

1137
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 16: can Brown Family out of Cincinnati and get an ownership

1138
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 16: that's dedicated to winning.

1139
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 2: Ben, thank you for the phone call. We appreciate you it.

1140
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 3: Bengals are twenty second in the NFL and available cap

1141
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 3: space nine point eight million dollars really nine point seven

1142
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 3: to two five, and.

1143
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 2: It really doesn't make you feel like they just scoured

1144
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 2: all into the universe to make sure this roster was

1145
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 2: in as great of shape as possible.

1146
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1147
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 2: No, I mean that's undeniable.

1148
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 3: I think you come back to there's multiple times where

1149
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 3: Duke Tobin kind of referenced how unlucky they got last year.

1150
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 3: The Tanner Hudson fumble, Yeah, the drop snap against the Ravens.

1151
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 3: There were if you read between the lines, the Bengals

1152
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 3: basically said, last year we got unlucky and yep, our

1153
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 3: defense wasn't good enough, but we got a new defensive

1154
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 3: coordinator and we won't get that unlucky again. We'll get

1155
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 3: back to the playoffs. Well, they actually got worse on defense, yep.

1156
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 2: One or two more here quick ones? What's up, ned?

1157
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 17: Yeah, Hey, I I think I'm just I think what

1158
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 17: kills me the most is that if you went back

1159
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 17: to twenty twenty one or twenty twenty two, you'd say

1160
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 17: this team is gonna win a super Bowl under Joe

1161
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 17: Burrow and at this point, I just I just worry

1162
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 17: that five six, whatever it is, eight years from now,

1163
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 17: we're gonna look back and we're gonna think what did

1164
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 17: we do wasting Joe.

1165
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 2: Burrow and that generational talent.

1166
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 17: And I guess the only other thing is I'll say

1167
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 17: is Duke Tobin's been here since nineteen ninety nine. He

1168
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 17: was hired in the position that he's in today.

1169
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 6: His dad was.

1170
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 18: Friends with Mike Brown.

1171
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 17: I almost feel like him getting fired is about as

1172
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 17: likely as Troy Blackburn.

1173
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 12: Or Katie Blackburn getting fired.

1174
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 17: I think he's think he's essentially part of the family

1175
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 17: now and I just don't see that changing. So I'm

1176
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 17: I'm definitely bummed, not just for this season, but being

1177
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 17: the outlook is not bright for me in the next

1178
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:51,439
Speaker 17: at least three years.

1179
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 19: I don't know how you fix it.

1180
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's to your point, it's it's never felt the

1181
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 2: super Bowl further away than what I think it feels

1182
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 2: right now. Thank you, Maso. Thanks. Yeah.

1183
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I agree with him, like I want

1184
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 3: Duke Tobin to be to be fired. I think Duke

1185
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 3: Tobin should be fired, But as I've said before, he

1186
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 3: feels so insulated within that organization, having been there for

1187
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 3: twenty years, having been the son of Bill Tobin, of

1188
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 3: which you know Mike and Bill were very close friends

1189
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 3: for a long time.

1190
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 2: Yep. I can't imagine it's going to happen.

1191
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so because of that, those conversations all feel pointless.

1192
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 6: Yep.

1193
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 2: So you have to try to find solutions that aren't that.

1194
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 6: Now.

1195
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 3: I'm going to keep pounding the drum fire, Duke Tobin, Fire,

1196
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 3: Duke Tobin, Fire, Duke Tobin. But you also have to

1197
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 3: operate under the assumption that that's not going to happen.

1198
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 3: So how do you work around that obstacle, which is

1199
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 3: he's not that good at his job?

1200
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It's a frustrating, frustrating avenue and uh,

1201
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 2: unfortunately one that that doesn't feel like there's a right

1202
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 2: or wrong answer. We gotta get a break in, try

1203
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 2: to austin mate, try to get the phone calls an

1204
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 2: hour number three as well. I don't know all his

1205
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 2: plans for the third hour, but we've got to get

1206
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 2: to our talkbacks next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station,

1207
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 2: the Monday midday Quarterback. Thanks to our friends at Cincy Shirts.

1208
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: Now your chance to win one thousand dollars.

1209
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 2: Enter this nationwide keyword on our website.

1210
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 4: Deposit that's deposit nswer it.

1211
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 15: And grab your phone and record a message. Just hit

1212
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 15: that microphone, please keep it clean and don't be mean.

1213
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 4: And those sprinkl sprinkle.

1214
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 2: Drip, drip drip.

1215
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 4: It's that time for top backs.

1216
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 20: It's stuck favorite party since three sixty So Austin, buddy,

1217
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 20: play those talkbacks on your screen.

1218
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 2: Please rite now, all right, a little upbeat. I'm sure

1219
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 2: a lot of our talkbacks will be upbeat today, so

1220
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 2: that's why we started with that jingle.

1221
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 3: Please don't be mean part I don't know that we're

1222
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 3: gonna accomplish that today.

1223
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can always try.

1224
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 6: Hello.

1225
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 15: This is former President Ronald Reagan and oh my goodness,

1226
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 15: what an amazing, awesome comeback by the Bengals. I've never

1227
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 15: seen anything like it. This is by far my favorite

1228
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 15: Bengal game of all time. And when you know it,

1229
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 15: our stupid power went out with about I don't know,

1230
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 15: fifty four seconds left to go in the game, so

1231
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 15: me and Nancy have to watch the rest of it

1232
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 15: a little later on today. But awesome game. Yes, good

1233
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 15: job Bengals. Who dah enjoy it.

1234
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 2: Enjoy it, Yeah, enjoy the finish Yeah.

1235
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 11: Theme song for everybody watching the Bengals defense this year.

1236
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 21: Uh oh, do you recognize that song?

1237
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 2: Don't? I don't know that song.

1238
01:08:54,120 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 22: Hey, guys, it's Monday. An atrocious game we had Yesterday's

1239
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 22: pretty sad. The defense can't even tackle. And don't get

1240
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 22: me wrong, I'd be about as useful out there as

1241
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 22: a one legged kicker, but at least I knew how

1242
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 22: to tackle back in my day. It's pretty pathetic when

1243
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 22: these guys can't even wrap their arms around.

1244
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 2: I just they all need to go. Speaking of music,

1245
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 2: Austin clean House, well, big Steve, he was on one yesterday.

1246
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of the song Lucky Man by

1247
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 2: Montgomery Gentry? Yeah, so, dad, my dad. We was singing

1248
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 2: that song yesterday. And if you've not been familiar with

1249
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 2: the song, it starts says, I have days where I

1250
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 2: hate my job, little town in the whole world too,

1251
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 2: And last Sunday when the Bengals lost Lord, it put

1252
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 2: me in a bad.

1253
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 3: Mood right now. Montgomery Gentry did a great job. They

1254
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 3: made about sixty versions of those songs yep, with different

1255
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:50,520
Speaker 3: team names.

1256
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:54,759
Speaker 2: But my goodness, it was not the truth last Sunday

1257
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 2: when the Bengals lost, Lord had put me in a

1258
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 2: bad mood. Now, the song goes on to say, and

1259
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 2: it wants you to really more appreciate the things you

1260
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 2: do have in life, right, and to really consider yourself.

1261
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 2: Even if you watched every down, every snap of that

1262
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:12,679
Speaker 2: game yesterday, you too can find yourself lucky in life.

1263
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 3: You know, I got a text from my father last

1264
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 3: night and I have I don't have permission to share this,

1265
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna do it anyways. It's been sixty years

1266
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 3: of heartaches, heartbreaks and disappointments. I just don't know if

1267
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 3: I care anymore. There will always be a level of

1268
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 3: acceptance for Mike Brown that this is just football and

1269
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 3: life in the NFL. I don't know how much of

1270
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 3: more of this I can take. It's tough, and I'm

1271
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 3: talking about putting you in a bad mood.

1272
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 2: And I feel like a lot of folks echo those comments.

1273
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 3: People always, you know, say are you ever going to

1274
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 3: live to see a Super Bowl? And I always say,

1275
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 3: I don't really care if I see like I want

1276
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 3: my dad. I want one for my dad, like I

1277
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 3: want him to have that moment. Yeah, And that's what

1278
01:10:59,000 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 3: that's how I.

1279
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 23: Hear about Bob Trump yesterday Bengals legend, log of force talk,

1280
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 23: pioneer icon, godfather legend.

1281
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 22: However you want to put it prayers up for.

1282
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 12: His family being o.

1283
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 24: When you think the defense can't get any words this week,

1284
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 24: they say, hold my fear and blow come back of

1285
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 24: epic proportions.

1286
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 1: So wow, maybe it's time to blow it up and be.

1287
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 19: Like Ottie said, just fire everybody.

1288
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 2: I want a half your note.

1289
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 25: My son kJ turned thirteen yesterday birthday.

1290
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 26: Can we spare a moment amidst all this despair to

1291
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 26: give the special teams their flowers? Oh my gosh, I

1292
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 26: lost my nine when they recoveredly on site kick, I've

1293
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 26: lost my Charlie Jamons return kick off be rying but

1294
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 26: decided was the turn and literally it's completely down the drain.

1295
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 3: Yeah all that, Yeah, strong days Special team yesterday there

1296
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 3: was a few good performances.

1297
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 24: It's quote from Zach Taylor. It was sick to lose

1298
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:11,640
Speaker 24: that way. Well, Zach, what about all the other losses

1299
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 24: That was sick to lose that way too. You and

1300
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 24: your damn dumb staff, with all the moves you made,

1301
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 24: makes no sense. The Bengals organization needs blown up, shook

1302
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:31,640
Speaker 24: up and revamped. Get it together in Cincinnati, drank him

1303
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 24: up great Sharonville.

1304
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 2: Hey, Al Golden came here from Notre Dame.

1305
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 25: Where he had the best athletes available in a weak schedule.

1306
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:44,520
Speaker 25: Here he is overwhelmed.

1307
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 11: He should be fired immediately.

1308
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the fire Oul Golden Chancer are going

1309
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 2: to become deafening here soon.

1310
01:12:55,960 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 27: I am broken after staying up watching the Bearcats just

1311
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 27: get annihilated, held out hope for Sunday to get our

1312
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:15,440
Speaker 27: hopes up, get back on the winning track. Oh my gosh,

1313
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 27: help Bears just scored. But man, Sunday Night FZ cannot

1314
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 27: even do it.

1315
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 3: No, God, we didn't even get to that. That was

1316
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 3: just nothing. Cleanses the soul like getting the bleak kicked

1317
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 3: out of you.

1318
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 28: It's the Lord. I think it's time to start pointing

1319
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 28: fingers as the Lord. Look, the offense and the special

1320
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 28: teams have started pointing fingers to the defense, one finger

1321
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 28: in particular.

1322
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 2: Point. So this is jack over and kollege.

1323
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 10: Joe.

1324
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 29: I got a proposal for this Thanksgiving. We flex the Bengals,

1325
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 29: Ravens and the Cowboys Chiefs game. But set flexing the

1326
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 29: times we flex who they play. So the Bengals get

1327
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 29: the Cowboys. That two to eighty games with those offenses

1328
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 29: and defenses is gonna feed families.

1329
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,480
Speaker 2: That's true, it would be fun to play Cowboys.

1330
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 30: Take guys, Jeff and your Richmond. Well, it's pretty safe

1331
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,919
Speaker 30: to say that Mike Brown will die without ever hoisting

1332
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 30: a Super Bowl mark God, and he's got one to

1333
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:21,560
Speaker 30: blame but himself. Zach Taylor needs to be fired immediately.

1334
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 30: He has lost the locker room. Listen to the players yesterday.

1335
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 30: Look at how the defensive players acted after the game

1336
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:36,560
Speaker 30: and skipping out on their media availability. He's he's completely

1337
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 30: lost it.

1338
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 31: Ronam Wisconsin, Who Day?

1339
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 6: Who Day?

1340
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 31: Who they think gonna get fired today? No money, man,

1341
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:55,799
Speaker 31: what a brutal weekend you see Cincinnati, Bengals and FCC.

1342
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 2: Nobody knew how to play defense.

1343
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 18: Total embarrassment.

1344
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 2: What a clown show. Have a good day, fellas.

1345
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:09,600
Speaker 18: Thanks Hey man, Austin, I take it.

1346
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 32: Yesterday's game.

1347
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:12,560
Speaker 18: My wife and I were sitting there watching at the

1348
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 18: end when the Bengals took the lead. The camera goes

1349
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,480
Speaker 18: over and shows Tailor on the sideline. Giddy is a schoolgirl,

1350
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 18: happy as a clam, not focused on what needs to

1351
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 18: happen next, which is making sure that the Bears don't

1352
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 18: take it down the field in fifty eight seconds.

1353
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it.

1354
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 18: I sat there and I told my wife, they're still going

1355
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 18: to lose this game because he's not focused. I think

1356
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:35,759
Speaker 18: that's one of the big problems.

1357
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 2: I don't think it was the focus. I think you

1358
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 2: can allow emotions to be high. I mean everything that

1359
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:42,679
Speaker 2: had to go right down the end. They have to score,

1360
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 2: they have to get to two, they have to get

1361
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 2: the onside kick, and then they go down and score.

1362
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 2: There's gonna be some excitement there. Bears were out of timeouts,

1363
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 2: so you well they had one left, but you felt

1364
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 2: pretty good about that because Santos, their kicker, had a

1365
01:15:54,880 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 2: bad day. It's a game on I think I'll ever

1366
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 2: see again.

1367
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:07,599
Speaker 3: I actually felt bad for Zach Taylor when Loveland scores

1368
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 3: the touchdown and they go to that shot of him

1369
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 3: on the sideline like.

1370
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 6: What yep?

1371
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 3: Like seriously, and then right after that they switched to

1372
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 3: Jamar and Jamar almost has this smirk on his face

1373
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 3: like you've got to.

1374
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 2: Be kidding me.

1375
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, I actually felt some sympathy for Zach in

1376
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 3: that moment because to have the pendulum swing back the

1377
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 3: other way, thought maybe you'd stolen one going into the

1378
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 3: bye week.

1379
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 33: Don't want of that for Christmas. There is just one

1380
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 33: thing I need. I don't care about the offense sco

1381
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 33: over in points with so much geees. I just want

1382
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 33: some stuffs too. Nice Domon tackle Colton lovel make my

1383
01:16:54,280 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 33: wish come true all that long. Full Christmas is a defense,

1384
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,520
Speaker 33: not ring thirty two.

1385
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 3: Wowa to Sean for that one. Wow, that's incredible Sean,

1386
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 3: great job.

1387
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 1: Hey guys, what's going on?

1388
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 2: It's ice? What is wrong with our defense? We cannot

1389
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 2: draft and develop? Duke Tobin needs to go. We need

1390
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:22,799
Speaker 2: to hire a new GM.

1391
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 9: This is absolutely freaking ridiculous. Why can't we tackle instead

1392
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 9: of putting your.

1393
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 2: Shoulder into the guy there?

1394
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 9: Jordan Battle, wrap him up and tackling, getting him to

1395
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 9: the ground and we win. Toe Flacco should be the

1396
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 9: story of the season. He's forty one years old. He

1397
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:39,919
Speaker 9: put up four and seventy yards.

1398
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 2: This is ridiculous, crazy Austin. Did we start a show

1399
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 2: last week by saying that they were working on tackling

1400
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:49,759
Speaker 2: at practice? Yep, just shoulder tackling or actual wrapping up tackling.

1401
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 2: It's a good question.

1402
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 34: I don't know, Tony Austin, why can't our defense tackle?

1403
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 4: Please explain this to me?

1404
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 34: And why do they have to go over it with

1405
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 34: them last week on how to tackle? Is there a

1406
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 34: point in time where it's okay for the offense start

1407
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 34: getting on the defense? I know Chase Brown not happy

1408
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 34: about it. He put it out there with a couple

1409
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 34: f bombs.

1410
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 2: Explain no, it's I think they're warranted to do so.

1411
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:29,440
Speaker 2: It is one already happening. This is Mike and Independence

1412
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 2: here with talkback.

1413
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 4: Mo Mo.

1414
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 6: How do you feel at.

1415
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:34,879
Speaker 2: The state of the Bengals current defense?

1416
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 20: I don't know, man, Look, Collie Jeeves, this defense does

1417
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 20: nothing well knocking against the run. They don't rush the passer,

1418
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 20: they don't tackle well. They're not great. They're not a

1419
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 20: great coverage team. If you play is stunk. Since Jesse base.

1420
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 2: Ever appearance for Topback Mode, I appreciate that so much

1421
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 2: because something like that takes a lot of time to

1422
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 2: clip up. That one's been saved. That's so good breaking news.

1423
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 2: It looks like the Bear scored again. How do they

1424
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 2: do it?

1425
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 28: How do the Bengals continue to run out the OLA

1426
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 28: defense all day long.

1427
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 2: I have no idea. That's a great question. Great question,

1428
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 2: Hey guys, Tony from love on here.

1429
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 35: What a horrible, horrible weekend for since a nice sports

1430
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:33,839
Speaker 35: for football.

1431
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 2: At least Bengals lose like the.

1432
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 35: Bengals do and Bearcats got boat raced. And not to mention,

1433
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 35: I'm sure half Bearcat Nation had to try to find

1434
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 35: another TV connection to watch the Bearcat game since YouTube, however, anyway,

1435
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 35: wasn't worth it.

1436
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 2: He wasn't even listening to us, he was playing the

1437
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 2: other station. That is incredible.

1438
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 18: An embarrassing franchise and embarrassing team.

1439
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 12: It's time to blow this thing up, at least the defense.

1440
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 2: Trey Trey Henderson Trey T.

1441
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:06,839
Speaker 12: Higgins.

1442
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 28: I know that's not a popular opinion, but you're not

1443
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 28: close with him.

1444
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 12: And this team is built like a kid made it.

1445
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:15,799
Speaker 12: I mean, the rest of the league is just laughing

1446
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 12: at how.

1447
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 2: This team is built. Its flawed.

1448
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 20: So smart people don't double down on their double down

1449
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 20: their mistakes.

1450
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 28: They pivot, snake resigning, tea resign, and tray pivot.

1451
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 2: They're putting more definition to the term built different. I

1452
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 2: think it is different. It's just not.

1453
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 23: It's driving home after yesterday as a bacle. I know

1454
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 23: Austin's been saying that all roads lead back to Zach Taylor,

1455
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 23: but though at all roads lead back their duke Tobin.

1456
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 23: I mean, I remember the night we drafted Miles Murphy.

1457
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 23: I told my wife, oh, anybody but Murphy. And then

1458
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 23: last year the're getting ready to draft and I looked

1459
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 23: at my wife and I said, anybody but Samar Stewart.

1460
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 23: Yeah there, Stuart, it's Tobin and his minions.

1461
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 2: That's we're all Roadley too, man, Tovid and Dominions.

1462
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 18: Fair enough, Hi, guys, just to follow up to Mike

1463
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 18: gidd he's a schoolgirl, happy as a clam comments earlier.

1464
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 2: You know what other NFL coach would have acted that way,

1465
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 2: not a single one out. I think this is just

1466
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:23,640
Speaker 2: a misguided, hated Zach Taylor. That only guy with you

1467
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,679
Speaker 2: going listen. I I can't believe it's for eighty points

1468
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 2: in two weeks and we lost. That's got to be

1469
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 2: some kind.

1470
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:29,879
Speaker 36: Of a record.

1471
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 2: It's a bad record, but a record anyway. A couple

1472
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 2: of questions, does Al Golden work from home?

1473
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 21: Because he doesn't seem to spend much time at the

1474
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:41,679
Speaker 21: defense number two when the Bengals scored to take from

1475
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 21: one point league, was everybody else as sure.

1476
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 2: As I was that the Bays were going to go

1477
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 2: down kick a field goal to win the game? Correctly?

1478
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 36: Did the Bengals make a fool out of me?

1479
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 2: They gave up a touchdown? Imagine you imagine Al unavailable

1480
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 2: or he's via zoom because he works from all he

1481
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 2: does all the defensive games from zoom, and he all

1482
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:04,560
Speaker 2: the guys are sleeping, and Jermaine Burton's probably in there messing.

1483
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 4: With that made sense?

1484
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 37: Brad from Norwood, Hey, Brad, question, why don't the Bengals

1485
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 37: bring in that coach that teaches that peanut tillman punch

1486
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 37: and bring them in for a couple of days, pay

1487
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 37: them fifty grand and have them teaches everybody on the team.

1488
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 2: How to do that. That seems like we could get

1489
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,879
Speaker 2: a lot of turnovers. I know everybody on the planet

1490
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 2: teaches the peanut punch.

1491
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 25: Now, yeah, hey guys, kid from the next year, Tony,

1492
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 25: you guys were talking about trying to keep up with

1493
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 25: the World Series as while you were recalling the UC game.

1494
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 25: I was keeping up with the World Series, watching the

1495
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 25: UC game and trying to watch the UK game, which

1496
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 25: were all.

1497
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:47,679
Speaker 2: Three going at the same time. Yeah.

1498
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 25: Uh, it was tough, but at least my Wildcast won,

1499
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:53,640
Speaker 25: so I got that going for me.

1500
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 2: I'm interesting anyway, go cast. It's interesting with the Wildcasts

1501
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,599
Speaker 2: because they lost an exhibition to Georgetown. Now I know

1502
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 2: that UK beat. I believe in an exhibition Purdue, but

1503
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 2: not a lot's heard about the Georgetown exhibition loss, which

1504
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 2: is why at this station we don't focus on exhibition

1505
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 2: games ever for any team.

1506
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 3: You know what I was thinking about today? Do you

1507
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 3: remember the Santa Clara standard? Remember that was the al

1508
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 3: Goldens thing. We got the Santa Clara standard. Yep, happier day.

1509
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 38: Get from the hood, first time caller. Don't despair, guys.

1510
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 38: We found ourselves defensive captain on the final play of

1511
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 38: the game. Imagine yourself, Jordan battle, the ball snapped, takes off. Yes,

1512
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 38: there's motion on the Burk side, Coulston levelon down the middle,

1513
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 38: Williams rints it down, Loveland catches it. As you're about

1514
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:46,799
Speaker 38: to make the tackle.

1515
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 39: There's a squall come in.

1516
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 38: Can you throw empty fishing out of his feet?

1517
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 2: Wow?

1518
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 32: I have a hard time following about that call. Austin

1519
01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 32: and Tony it's old man grumpy. Uh, I'm gonna make

1520
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 32: this short and sweet. How in the world does Duke

1521
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 32: Tobin and Zach Taylor still have a job after that defense?

1522
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,799
Speaker 2: Talk to you later. The last two weeks are fireable offenses.

1523
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 40: Yep, I have before me this wonderful opportunity. But the

1524
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 40: magic of talkbacks. But the problem is there are no words.

1525
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was out of word yesterday too.

1526
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 36: So just seven cents a day you can help a

1527
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,640
Speaker 36: Bengals fan and do the pain the hand of the

1528
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 36: Joe Montana two minutdrilla, Jamie Hill fumble, a pack Man

1529
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 36: Jones bonehead play, an unthinkable comeback, spoiled by a historically

1530
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 36: bad defense. Year after year they find a new way

1531
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 36: to lose. More shocking, more absurd, more Cincinnati, your support

1532
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:56,599
Speaker 36: to provide one cold Tony and the Fradle. Hope at

1533
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,639
Speaker 36: this time will be different. Please before next Sunday breaks

1534
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 36: another our sponsors fan today.

1535
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 2: Wow, that is fantastic. That is that is save worthy.

1536
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 2: Oh all right, we're out of time and we didn't

1537
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 2: I didn't even get to the first page. Yeah we've

1538
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 2: there was over sixty talkbacks. Yeah, submitted today. I feel

1539
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:22,679
Speaker 2: your pain. I feel your pain. We'll take a break.

1540
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 2: Football in the NATI. Not tackle, Yeah, tied in. We

1541
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 2: gotta finish. I hit him as hard as I could,

1542
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 2: but I did not wrap up. Take a break. More

1543
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 2: of the Monday Midday Quarterback next on ESPN fifteen thirty,

1544
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station. This is what it sounds like in

1545
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:44,679
Speaker 2: the NATI.

1546
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:48,879
Speaker 5: Brought you in part by Blood Light and by Oakley

1547
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 5: Greens on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the

1548
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 5: Cincinnati Bengals.

1549
01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 2: Welcome back. It is the final segment of our number two.

1550
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 2: We thank our friends at Cincy shirts as well the

1551
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 2: Monday Midday Quarterback ESPN fifteen thirty. Our number three is next.

1552
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 2: Austin has our number three. As happens on Mondays, I'll

1553
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:12,679
Speaker 2: head to Twin Peaks. We'll be in Westchester from three

1554
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:14,680
Speaker 2: to six Mowager and myself for the Tony and Mo

1555
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 2: Football Show. If you can come on out, Austin. What

1556
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 2: do you got coming up in the third hour?

1557
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about potentially trading Trey Hendrickson. Okay, and

1558
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 3: there's a how I look at it, a five year

1559
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 3: window that is now officially open. Okay, the previous five

1560
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 3: year window has closed. There's a new one that's opened.

1561
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 3: Pello window and door? Yes, is that the opening? Well,

1562
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 3: the Bengals pella now and they've paid later. So new window?

1563
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:46,719
Speaker 3: Can you pella now again?

1564
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 2: Man? And will it pay off later?

1565
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 4: Here?

1566
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 2: We got the Bearcats lost on Saturday night. I'll spend

1567
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 2: more time this afternoon with Moe on this. We got

1568
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:59,720
Speaker 2: a couple of minutes now though forty five fourteen, I

1569
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 2: don't know how indicative of the game. The final score

1570
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 2: was both teams a massed over four hundred and twenty

1571
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 2: yards of total offense, four to twenty seven for the

1572
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:11,639
Speaker 2: Bearcats for eighty for Utah. Utah came into the game Austin.

1573
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:13,719
Speaker 2: They run the ball for two hundred and sixty seven

1574
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 2: yards per game. That was first among P four teams,

1575
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 2: fourth in the country outside of the Service academies. And

1576
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 2: he guess what they ran for on Saturday night? How

1577
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 2: much to sixty seven? Oh, directly on their average five

1578
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 2: yards per rush, they ran it fifty three times for

1579
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 2: five yards of carry. The good news for the Bearcats

1580
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 2: they ran it thirty times for six point nine yards

1581
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 2: per carry. That's good for two h six on the ground.

1582
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 2: That's not a bad day. Here's why the Bearcats lost.

1583
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 2: They had been phenomenal at the little things all year.

1584
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:51,719
Speaker 2: Special teams has been elite for the team for Cincinnati

1585
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 2: all year. Brendan Sowersby had not turned the ball over

1586
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 2: since he threw an interception on the final play against Nebraska.

1587
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 2: He went seven games without a turnover, throwing two or

1588
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 2: more touchdowns in each one of those games. Defense would bend,

1589
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 2: but they wouldn't break. And then on Saturday, everything came

1590
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 2: crashing down at once. They were penalized eight times for

1591
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 2: sixty yards. Austin I gave you the stat last week

1592
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 2: that in the red zone on the year, the Bearcats

1593
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 2: were thirty three of thirty four and scoring. The only

1594
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 2: time they did was when they took a knee on

1595
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 2: the nineteen yard line against Baylor. Saturday night, Brendan Soarsby

1596
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 2: fumbled inside the red zone, devastating as the Bearcats were

1597
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 2: going to tie the game. Steven Russknack, who had not

1598
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 2: missed a kick going back to all last season and

1599
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 2: then this year for the Bearcats, missed a forty yard kick.

1600
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 2: The Bearcats gave up a punt return for a touchdown.

1601
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 2: They gave up another massive punt return that started Utah

1602
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:59,639
Speaker 2: on their plus side of the fifty and Sworsby threw

1603
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 2: a pick as well as the fumble, so the Bearcats

1604
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 2: turned it over three times in the game. They were

1605
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 2: out gained in time of possession forty to twenty. Utah

1606
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:16,639
Speaker 2: possessed the ball for twenty more minutes than the Cincinnati Bearcats.

1607
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 2: Utah was perfect on fourth down opportunities. In a game

1608
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 2: where you have a non existent margin for air, the

1609
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 2: Bearcats made far too many airs. That's what it was,

1610
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 2: nothing more, nothing less. They have a bye week now

1611
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 2: and they need it. Dante Corleone is banged up. Jake

1612
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 2: Golde left the game, is banged up. Evan Pryor did

1613
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:43,679
Speaker 2: not play. He's been banged up. Joe Royer, who somehow

1614
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:45,600
Speaker 2: over the last two weeks has been targeted all of

1615
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:48,599
Speaker 2: one time per game, which is the most fascinating thing

1616
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 2: in the country, is a little bit banged up. They

1617
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 2: need a bye week, and coming out of the bye week,

1618
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 2: Arizona is now a noonkick that has been announced today.

1619
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 2: It's a home game Arizona BYU and then at TCU.

1620
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 2: If the Bearcats win their final three games, they will

1621
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 2: play for a big twelve championship in Dallas, and as

1622
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 2: we sit here on November third, I think anyone before

1623
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 2: the season would have ran at that opportunity that is

1624
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 2: still in front of the Bearcats. They've got to be

1625
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 2: better than they were Saturday night. It was a tough

1626
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 2: day for Swersby Austin. If you watched any of college

1627
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:30,639
Speaker 2: game day, he got the respect that he had worked for.

1628
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 2: He got the respect that he had earned through his

1629
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 2: play over the last seven weeks. The unfortunate thing is

1630
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 2: he probably had his worst game. He was just eleven

1631
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 2: for thirty three thirty three percent completion percentage, two hundred

1632
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 2: and twenty one yards, one touchdown, one interception, and one

1633
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:51,679
Speaker 2: of those touchdowns was an eighty eight yard to Cyrus Allen.

1634
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:56,719
Speaker 2: Take away that and those stats are even more one sided.

1635
01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:00,200
Speaker 2: Sowersby was not good enough, The defense was not good enough,

1636
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:03,760
Speaker 2: special teams was not good enough, and that's how you

1637
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 2: get beat. In front of what I will say, Austin

1638
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 2: was one of the cooler atmospheres I've ever been a

1639
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:13,679
Speaker 2: part of. They do something in Utah called a moment

1640
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 2: of loudness. Have you ever heard about this? No, So

1641
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:20,839
Speaker 2: instead of a moment of silence, there was a player

1642
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 2: that had passed away a couple of years ago, and

1643
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 2: the idea came up, I believe from the family of

1644
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 2: the player. It honors Ti Jordan and Aaron Lowe. It

1645
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 2: was created in twenty twenty one. Ti Jordan was a

1646
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 2: running back, Aaron Lowe is a defensive back. They passed

1647
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:44,880
Speaker 2: away and instead Austin of the prototypical moment of silence

1648
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 2: in between the third and fourth quarter, almost every single

1649
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 2: person in that stadium turns their flashlight on on their

1650
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 2: phone and they put up on the board Utah fans

1651
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:58,360
Speaker 2: and people associated with the program that have passed in

1652
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,280
Speaker 2: the last year or so, and instead of a moment

1653
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:06,120
Speaker 2: of silence for him, the place goes absolutely bonkers, no kidding.

1654
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:07,760
Speaker 2: It is a moment of loudness. It was one of

1655
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 2: the coolest things I've ever been a part of. Cool.

1656
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:12,280
Speaker 2: And then they finish it with like I think, at

1657
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 2: the end, they say family on three and the whole

1658
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:17,800
Speaker 2: stadium screams out family at once. That's really cool. It's

1659
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 2: really cool to take a loss and to do a

1660
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 2: moment of loudness for folks as well. But the atmosphere

1661
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 2: was awesome. The outcome was not a bye week for

1662
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:32,040
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bearcats, and then three more while they control

1663
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:34,560
Speaker 2: their own fate to play for a Big twelve championship.

1664
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 2: We'll take a break when we come back. Austin steers

1665
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 2: the ship through the final hour of the Monday Midday Quarterback.

1666
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 2: I'll catch back up with you at three o'clock on

1667
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:47,439
Speaker 2: the Tony and mo Football Show from Westchester Twin Peaks.

1668
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 2: You're listening on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

1669
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:55,120
Speaker 5: You've been listening to Football in the NATI on ESPN

1670
01:32:55,280 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 5: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati BENGALSCKY.

1671
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 1: Since the nast Tony Pikes Monday Midday Quarterback Show brought

1672
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:10,679
Speaker 1: to you and Batvin ae Joraned Window Company. They sell

1673
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 1: the best and service the rest. Cincinnati Tax Resolution powered

1674
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 1: by Tope Sheldon, O'Connor, Johnny and Levy Attorneys you know

1675
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,880
Speaker 1: attorneys you trust. Visit oel Dash.

1676
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:23,719
Speaker 2: Law dot com.

1677
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 1: Donados the official pizza of the Bengals. Quality Black Comming,

1678
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:33,720
Speaker 1: Cincinnati's most trusted company and by Thomas Moore University. Accelerate

1679
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 1: your career with a business degree from Thomas Moore University.

1680
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:43,040
Speaker 1: On ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1681
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 3: Hi, Hello, welcome in our number three of Tony Pike's

1682
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:50,880
Speaker 3: Monday midday quarterback here on ESPN fifteen thirty. My name's

1683
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:56,840
Speaker 3: Austin Elmore. Bengals lose yesterday forty seven to forty two.

1684
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 3: They once again or thirty eight plus points and lose

1685
01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:06,719
Speaker 3: thirty five plus points, thirty three plus points, thirty plus

1686
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 3: points and lose. They'd lead the NFL in that metric

1687
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 3: by a comfortable margin, all those different metrics, no matter

1688
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:19,080
Speaker 3: what the parameter might be. Thirty plus points, and they

1689
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:22,720
Speaker 3: lose again, and it feels like we're kind of at

1690
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 3: a crossroads. At least that's how I feel. I feel

1691
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:28,439
Speaker 3: like we're at a crossroads because if you had one

1692
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:33,479
Speaker 3: yesterday and one in the fashion that they did win, yes,

1693
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:36,479
Speaker 3: we would all be sitting here saying basically the same

1694
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:39,640
Speaker 3: things about the Bengals defense and how worried we would be.

1695
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 3: But we would also say, well, maybe during the bye

1696
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 3: week you have a chance to fix some things, to

1697
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 3: self scout, to evaluate, and maybe just maybe the bye.

1698
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 2: Week can be a good thing for the defense.

1699
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:54,280
Speaker 3: At least, that to me would have been the conversation

1700
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 3: would have been the narrative had the Bengals completed the

1701
01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:02,120
Speaker 3: improbable comeback that they did yesterday, and you could chart

1702
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:05,599
Speaker 3: the path too if they beat the Pittsburgh Steelers, maybe

1703
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 3: there's something there. But losing the way that they did

1704
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:15,680
Speaker 3: in that particular fashion seems to have finally sucked the

1705
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 3: life out of this season, both with the games remaining

1706
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:25,280
Speaker 3: on the schedule and with the players themselves. The reaction

1707
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:29,599
Speaker 3: in the locker room yesterday of Chase Brown, of Jamar Chase,

1708
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:33,720
Speaker 3: of Zach Taylor basically being out of words, in no

1709
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:39,400
Speaker 3: way of understanding with Joe Flacco, just trying to tell everybody, Hey,

1710
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 3: let's just you know, it can't turn on each other.

1711
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:44,160
Speaker 3: We got to just keep plugging away, keep plugging away,

1712
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:48,760
Speaker 3: you know, everybody just kind of uh. And then nobody

1713
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:51,920
Speaker 3: on the defense, besides Orrin Burks, who's one of the

1714
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 3: fruit of the few grown men on that defense, Nobody talks,

1715
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:02,840
Speaker 3: Nobody takes accountability, nobody, but he takes ownership. Instead. We

1716
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:06,719
Speaker 3: giggle and we run away. Well, those guys are about

1717
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 3: to answer. They're gonna have an open locker room coming up.

1718
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:13,599
Speaker 3: Zach Taylor speaks an hour from right now. I'm sure

1719
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:16,719
Speaker 3: there will be some conversation with some of those guys

1720
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:21,280
Speaker 3: before they hit the road for their bye week. But

1721
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:24,799
Speaker 3: the bye week does come at a good time, because

1722
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 3: I think it's time to really evaluate the direction this

1723
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 3: franchise wants to go. I said in the last segment

1724
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:36,280
Speaker 3: with Tony, when I teased what I'd be talking about

1725
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 3: in the third hour, it was one window has closed

1726
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:44,559
Speaker 3: and another has opened. Think back to five years ago,

1727
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:47,040
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow's rookie season in twenty twenty. It was right

1728
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:49,000
Speaker 3: around this time, about two weeks from now in the

1729
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:53,599
Speaker 3: season when Burrow suffered that knee injury that ended his season,

1730
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 3: and at that point you were really unsure with where

1731
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:00,680
Speaker 3: the organization was going to go. You liked what you

1732
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:03,679
Speaker 3: saw from Burrow. They didn't have that good of a team,

1733
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:06,840
Speaker 3: but they took a step forward from the atrocious twenty

1734
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 3: nineteen season. They had signed a couple of decent free agents.

1735
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:13,799
Speaker 3: There was at least like a semblance of a direction,

1736
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:18,960
Speaker 3: and with Burrow on a rookie deal, there was hope.

1737
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 3: And they followed up that not good twenty twenty season

1738
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:26,720
Speaker 3: that was in the midst of COVID and all the

1739
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 3: different stuff that was going on, and they won just

1740
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:34,160
Speaker 3: four games. They followed that up by being incredibly aggressive

1741
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:38,519
Speaker 3: in free agency and by supplementing the roster with veteran

1742
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:41,599
Speaker 3: leaders to help the youth go to the next level,

1743
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:45,120
Speaker 3: get to the next level, and they immediately went to

1744
01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:47,519
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, and then they immediately went back to

1745
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 3: the AFC Championship Game and things started to unravel from there.

1746
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 3: I see the NFL as really having these five year

1747
01:37:57,200 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 3: windows of when you're able to compete and when you

1748
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:04,639
Speaker 3: have to either strip it down and restart, or how

1749
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 3: however you want to explain it. I see it as

1750
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 3: like these five year windows, and the great teams have

1751
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:15,240
Speaker 3: found a way to know when to pull the plug,

1752
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 3: when to move on from players, and to continue keeping

1753
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:23,880
Speaker 3: those five year windows open over and over and over again.

1754
01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:28,679
Speaker 3: The Patriots were masterful at this with Brady. They found

1755
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:32,360
Speaker 3: ways to move on from the players that didn't have it.

1756
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:36,880
Speaker 3: They would supplement their roster with veterans, They played good defense,

1757
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:39,639
Speaker 3: and they trusted that their quarterback and their coach would

1758
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:42,599
Speaker 3: figure it out. The Chiefs have done the same thing

1759
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:46,960
Speaker 3: over the last six years now of being really, really good,

1760
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 3: the Eagles have at times pulled the plug and plugged

1761
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 3: it back in in different ways with different players in

1762
01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:59,439
Speaker 3: different draft strategies, and obviously their GM, Howie Roseman, hell,

1763
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 3: even the law Los Angeles Rams. They put all their

1764
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 3: chips into that twenty twenty one season and they have

1765
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:07,640
Speaker 3: kind of now over the last few years built it

1766
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:10,080
Speaker 3: back up to being a competitor, and we're really good

1767
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:13,920
Speaker 3: again last year. So I view the NFL as being

1768
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:18,439
Speaker 3: in these five year windows, and the first five year

1769
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 3: window of the Burrow era has come to a close.

1770
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:22,639
Speaker 2: It ended.

1771
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:26,400
Speaker 3: It was slammed shut yesterday in full force. You could

1772
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:28,759
Speaker 3: say it was slam shut last week against the Jets.

1773
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:31,519
Speaker 3: That would make sense to me. I wouldn't fight that

1774
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:36,880
Speaker 3: at all. But you see Joe Burrow on the sideline yesterday.

1775
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:39,840
Speaker 3: He was the first person out of the building after

1776
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:42,280
Speaker 3: the game ended. I'm sure he was disgusted by it.

1777
01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:47,080
Speaker 3: I'm sure he understands that this defense has basically robbed

1778
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:49,559
Speaker 3: any chance he has of playing this season. And I'm

1779
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:52,559
Speaker 3: sure he desperately wants to play and has been working

1780
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:54,559
Speaker 3: his butt off to play in the event that he

1781
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:59,240
Speaker 3: can play, or should play or could play, But now

1782
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:02,400
Speaker 3: that's basically off the table. Because you don't want a

1783
01:40:02,479 --> 01:40:07,600
Speaker 3: Jaden Daniel's situation playing in an unnecessary moment leading to

1784
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:13,200
Speaker 3: another injury or another setback, and now, of course, unfortunately,

1785
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:19,720
Speaker 3: you start playing for draft position. So what do the

1786
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:23,320
Speaker 3: Bengals need to do to open up the next five

1787
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:26,200
Speaker 3: year window? And the reason I'm calling it a five

1788
01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:29,240
Speaker 3: year window specifically with the Bengals case is that's when

1789
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:32,639
Speaker 3: the Higgins contract is up in twenty eight, the Burrow

1790
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:36,120
Speaker 3: contract and Chase contracts are up in twenty nine. So

1791
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:38,719
Speaker 3: you really gotta get moving. You got to start hitting

1792
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:41,439
Speaker 3: on some draft picks, you gotta start signing some free agents.

1793
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 3: You got to start setting yourself up to be good soon.

1794
01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:49,600
Speaker 3: And the defense feels like it's not a one year rebuild.

1795
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:53,760
Speaker 3: It's not going to get fixed overnight. There is one,

1796
01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:58,559
Speaker 3: maybe two pieces on the Bengals defense worth building around,

1797
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:03,759
Speaker 3: and so I don't know that anybody expects it to okay.

1798
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:05,880
Speaker 3: Well next year we're going to go from the thirty

1799
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:09,640
Speaker 3: second ranked defense to the fifth ranked defense. That's not

1800
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:13,439
Speaker 3: going to happen. It's impossible. I would be thrilled if

1801
01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:16,920
Speaker 3: they went from thirty second to twenty fifth. I think

1802
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:19,679
Speaker 3: the goal should be to get to twentieth. It is sad,

1803
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:22,200
Speaker 3: but that's kind of been the conversation in the past.

1804
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:25,160
Speaker 3: If the Bengals had the twentieth ranked defense right now,

1805
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:29,960
Speaker 3: they'd probably be six and three. Hard to fathom, but

1806
01:41:30,040 --> 01:41:35,320
Speaker 3: the bar is relatively low. If you could just do enough,

1807
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:40,920
Speaker 3: then this could get fixed relatively quickly. And going back

1808
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:44,160
Speaker 3: to yesterday's game and in the second half specifically, there

1809
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:46,360
Speaker 3: was not a lot of structure within the Bears offense.

1810
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 3: It was Caleb Williams just kind of running around and

1811
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:52,120
Speaker 3: playing some backyard football and making plays. And to his credit,

1812
01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:55,439
Speaker 3: he made the right plays at the right moments. The

1813
01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:59,519
Speaker 3: Bengals didn't tackle, but there was some chaos in the

1814
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:03,280
Speaker 3: backfield for the first time. I feel like, if Trey

1815
01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:05,639
Speaker 3: Hendrickson plays in that game, the Bengals might win it.

1816
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:08,479
Speaker 3: He could have had that one moment, that one play,

1817
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:13,680
Speaker 3: that strip sack, that drive ender, forces a punt or

1818
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:16,040
Speaker 3: forces a turnover, whatever it might have been. If Tray

1819
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:18,639
Speaker 3: fully healthy could have played, the Bengals maybe win that game.

1820
01:42:19,120 --> 01:42:22,519
Speaker 3: But he didn't, and they lost, and they're three and six.

1821
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:26,360
Speaker 3: They're not going to go seven and one with the

1822
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:31,360
Speaker 3: remaining schedule of Pittsburgh New England, Baltimore, Buffalo, Baltimore, Miami, Arizona,

1823
01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:35,200
Speaker 3: in Cleveland. It's not going to happen, and they have

1824
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:40,960
Speaker 3: to understand that. They have to know. Okay, this season

1825
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:44,360
Speaker 3: is basically a wash. We tried to run it back.

1826
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:47,360
Speaker 3: We tried to trust that we got unlucky. But we

1827
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:50,280
Speaker 3: are going to have to start pulling the plug on

1828
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:54,280
Speaker 3: a lot of these guys, including but not limited to,

1829
01:42:55,000 --> 01:43:03,240
Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson. That's where it starts. Yesterday on Fire NFL Sunday, CHRISA. Thompson,

1830
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:07,880
Speaker 3: who hosts that show, asked es or Fox NFL insider

1831
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:12,839
Speaker 3: Jay Glazer about the possibility of the Bengals now trading

1832
01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:15,040
Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson to take a listen to what he had

1833
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:15,360
Speaker 3: to say.

1834
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:16,720
Speaker 2: What about Trey Hendrickson.

1835
01:43:16,760 --> 01:43:20,200
Speaker 20: I know that originally they said no, but is that changing.

1836
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:22,160
Speaker 41: So here, Yeah, they did say no originally, and then

1837
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 41: last couple of days a bunch of gms said, hey,

1838
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:25,960
Speaker 41: you better check this out because now they're saying yes

1839
01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:28,479
Speaker 41: to us, right and you know whether or not they

1840
01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:30,120
Speaker 41: can get what they're looking for. I don't know about that,

1841
01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 41: but it was it seemed like a hard no. About

1842
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:33,519
Speaker 41: a week or so ago, and now it's not.

1843
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:38,120
Speaker 3: This is a good thing. This is a good sign

1844
01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:42,640
Speaker 3: that the organization is understanding the situation and the predicament

1845
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:45,280
Speaker 3: that they are in and they are willing to move

1846
01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:51,360
Speaker 3: on from Trey Hendrickson. Listen, Trey Hendrickson is only here

1847
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:55,160
Speaker 3: because the Bengals thought they could win the Super Bowl. Now,

1848
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:58,679
Speaker 3: as stupid as that might sound, the only reason they

1849
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:01,800
Speaker 3: are here are their only reason he is here is

1850
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:04,120
Speaker 3: because they could. They thought they could win the Super

1851
01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:10,240
Speaker 3: Bowl with him. That's a fact. The Bengals, in pretty

1852
01:44:10,280 --> 01:44:13,920
Speaker 3: much every way possible other than saying it directly to

1853
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:18,200
Speaker 3: his face, and maybe they did, tried to explain how

1854
01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:23,120
Speaker 3: they feel about Trey Hendrickson, his age and moving forward

1855
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:26,840
Speaker 3: with him. They weren't interested in a long term deal

1856
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:30,559
Speaker 3: with him. Part of it is he'd been really healthy

1857
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:33,720
Speaker 3: for a long time. Now he reaches age thirty, there's

1858
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:36,639
Speaker 3: a steep drop off for past rushers. There's a long

1859
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 3: history of that unless you're a complete athletic freak. Hendrickson

1860
01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:43,439
Speaker 3: is not, and so they were not interested in doing

1861
01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:46,720
Speaker 3: business with him moving forward. And again, as has been

1862
01:44:46,760 --> 01:44:50,280
Speaker 3: obvious all season, they were putting a lot of chips

1863
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:53,639
Speaker 3: into a lot of eggs into the basket that these

1864
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:57,479
Speaker 3: other young pass rushers were going to take a step forward.

1865
01:44:57,640 --> 01:45:01,320
Speaker 2: Well they haven't, So.

1866
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:06,639
Speaker 3: You gotta start looking at trading guys, and I think

1867
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:11,640
Speaker 3: everybody on defense should be on the table, starting with

1868
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:15,960
Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson. Now, Diana Russini says that the Bengals are

1869
01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:17,840
Speaker 3: still asking for a first round pick.

1870
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:20,000
Speaker 2: That is an asinine ask.

1871
01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:23,760
Speaker 3: The trade deadline is twenty six hours away, just under

1872
01:45:23,800 --> 01:45:25,759
Speaker 3: twenty five hours and forty five minutes away.

1873
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:26,640
Speaker 2: Whatever it is.

1874
01:45:27,439 --> 01:45:30,200
Speaker 3: They are not going to get a first round pick

1875
01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:33,360
Speaker 3: for a thirty one year old pass rusher on a

1876
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:35,519
Speaker 3: one year deal with a lot of money on it,

1877
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:39,920
Speaker 3: who's been hurt this year. That is a complete, complete

1878
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 3: maniacal ask for Trey Hendrickson. I give them credit for

1879
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:47,280
Speaker 3: asking it, but they better bring their price down because

1880
01:45:47,320 --> 01:45:50,280
Speaker 3: you need to get money off the books and get

1881
01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:54,880
Speaker 3: picks in hand, period, point blank. They should also trade

1882
01:45:54,920 --> 01:45:57,519
Speaker 3: Logan Wilson. I love Logan Wilson. I think he's a

1883
01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:00,439
Speaker 3: good guy, but he and Trey obviously are not the

1884
01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:03,840
Speaker 3: leaders that this defense needs. They don't want to be here.

1885
01:46:04,360 --> 01:46:10,960
Speaker 3: They can have value somewhere else. Trade them, Trade Trey Henderson,

1886
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:15,360
Speaker 3: trade Logan Wilson, Trade Cam Taylor Britt. He's not getting it.

1887
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:18,240
Speaker 3: He's not getting any better. He's still got some time

1888
01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:20,559
Speaker 3: on his deal. You can at least make sense of

1889
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:24,400
Speaker 3: that for somebody. And defensive backs are a dime a

1890
01:46:24,439 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 3: dozen across the NFL. You need them, everybody needs them.

1891
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:35,519
Speaker 3: Trade Cam Taylor Britt, trade bj Hill. Bj is playing

1892
01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:39,720
Speaker 3: okay this season. He has some value. I think the

1893
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:42,439
Speaker 3: Bengals wildly overpaid in this new deal for him, but

1894
01:46:42,520 --> 01:46:45,000
Speaker 3: clearly he's not the leader that we all thought he

1895
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:49,720
Speaker 3: would be, and his production is basically non existent. He's okay,

1896
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:53,120
Speaker 3: but not great. He's just a guy. But he would

1897
01:46:53,120 --> 01:46:56,280
Speaker 3: fit in nicely on a defensive line rotation of a

1898
01:46:56,280 --> 01:47:01,519
Speaker 3: potential playoff team that's going to go try to wine Jhill.

1899
01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:07,080
Speaker 3: Trade Logan Wilson, trade Trey Hendrickson, trade Cam Taylor Britt.

1900
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:09,479
Speaker 3: I don't know that you could get anything else for

1901
01:47:09,520 --> 01:47:12,960
Speaker 3: anybody else. Maybe Joseph Osai cheap on a one year

1902
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:16,000
Speaker 3: deal would warrant you a pick. I'd be open to that.

1903
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:20,480
Speaker 3: You're not gonna get anything for Jordan Battle or Genostone.

1904
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:22,080
Speaker 3: You're not gonna get anything for McKinley.

1905
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:22,599
Speaker 2: Jackson.

1906
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:25,599
Speaker 3: You're not gonna get anything for your linebackers, nor should

1907
01:47:25,640 --> 01:47:28,759
Speaker 3: you try to trade those kids yet. But it's time

1908
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:33,559
Speaker 3: to reevaluate where you're at and realize that the hope

1909
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:36,519
Speaker 3: of being good again in twenty twenty five is now

1910
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:42,920
Speaker 3: over and going into next year, the Bengals have sixty

1911
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:49,799
Speaker 3: four million dollars in cap space. Sixty four million dollars,

1912
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:56,120
Speaker 3: that is plenty of space to supplement this roster with veterans,

1913
01:47:56,680 --> 01:48:01,680
Speaker 3: especially if you cut some guys, if you cut Geno Stone,

1914
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:06,760
Speaker 3: if you cut TJ. Slayton, if you cut some of

1915
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:10,240
Speaker 3: these other dudes on the roster like Marco Wilson or

1916
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:14,559
Speaker 3: Jermaine Burton or McKinley Jackson. I mean, if you start

1917
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:19,800
Speaker 3: cutting those guys, then all of a sudden, you're up

1918
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:22,799
Speaker 3: to seventy five million dollars just by cutting those guys.

1919
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 3: You still have the restructures that are available to you

1920
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:29,719
Speaker 3: in the Joe Burrow contract, and you can quickly get

1921
01:48:29,720 --> 01:48:34,000
Speaker 3: your cap space to seventy five million dollars before you

1922
01:48:34,040 --> 01:48:39,919
Speaker 3: know it. That is doable to help the defense improve

1923
01:48:40,439 --> 01:48:47,320
Speaker 3: right away. But it has to start now, has to

1924
01:48:47,360 --> 01:48:52,799
Speaker 3: start right now, and that includes guys keeping their jobs.

1925
01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:57,320
Speaker 3: We'll talk about that when we get back. Zach Taylor,

1926
01:48:57,640 --> 01:49:02,200
Speaker 3: Al Golden, Duke Tobin. There should be some tough conversations

1927
01:49:02,200 --> 01:49:04,519
Speaker 3: had today at pay Course Stadium. Take a break, we'll

1928
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:07,600
Speaker 3: be back. This is Tony Pike's Monday Midday Quarterback on

1929
01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:09,000
Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty.

1930
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:14,240
Speaker 42: Is back on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's sports station.

1931
01:49:18,200 --> 01:49:21,759
Speaker 3: Tony Pike's Monday Midday Quarterback, ESPN fifteen thirty.

1932
01:49:21,800 --> 01:49:22,799
Speaker 2: I'm Austin Elmore.

1933
01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:27,760
Speaker 3: Before we get into who should lose their job, there

1934
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:30,400
Speaker 3: were a couple of good things yesterday. I do want

1935
01:49:30,439 --> 01:49:33,320
Speaker 3: to be a little bit positive, even though positivity has

1936
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:37,160
Speaker 3: no bearing on results. T Higgins great bounce back game,

1937
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:42,360
Speaker 3: Andre Josuvash, good bounce back game. Special teams unit played

1938
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:46,800
Speaker 3: really well. Charlie Jones was better. Recovering an on side

1939
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:50,160
Speaker 3: kick really good. Don't know what happened on the field

1940
01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:52,920
Speaker 3: goal by Evan McPherson, but overall kick coverage and punk

1941
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:53,759
Speaker 3: coverage was better.

1942
01:49:54,080 --> 01:49:54,320
Speaker 2: Thought.

1943
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:56,760
Speaker 3: That was a bounce back week for that unit, and

1944
01:49:56,880 --> 01:49:59,960
Speaker 3: DJ Turner was magnificent again. You want to talk about

1945
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,320
Speaker 3: one of those guys that you feel comfortable keeping around.

1946
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:05,639
Speaker 3: Do you feel comfortable building on. I think Dax Hill

1947
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:09,080
Speaker 3: is okay. I think DJ Turner is really good and

1948
01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:12,439
Speaker 3: it's become more than just an outlier. This is a

1949
01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:16,599
Speaker 3: bona fide trend. This is something that's happening here. DJ

1950
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:20,160
Speaker 3: Turner has turned the corner. These are things you can

1951
01:50:20,200 --> 01:50:24,720
Speaker 3: build on moving forward. The question then becomes who's going

1952
01:50:24,760 --> 01:50:29,360
Speaker 3: to be the one doing the building. I don't think

1953
01:50:29,479 --> 01:50:31,880
Speaker 3: Duke Tobin should have a job anymore. I think Duke

1954
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:34,759
Speaker 3: Topin should be fired. I think a lot of Bengals

1955
01:50:34,840 --> 01:50:37,519
Speaker 3: fans feel that way. The guy has been here for

1956
01:50:37,680 --> 01:50:41,439
Speaker 3: twenty six seasons now, twenty seven seasons, twenty six years,

1957
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:45,439
Speaker 3: whatever it is. He's been here for a long ass time,

1958
01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:54,599
Speaker 3: and this team has done nothing. They have five playoff wins,

1959
01:50:54,640 --> 01:50:58,040
Speaker 3: they've all come in the Joe Burrow era. They have

1960
01:50:58,120 --> 01:51:01,280
Speaker 3: a few playoff appearances, but for the most part, Duke

1961
01:51:01,439 --> 01:51:07,200
Speaker 3: Tobin has done nothing. Yes, he has been and had

1962
01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:10,639
Speaker 3: a hand in drafting good players, no doubt about that.

1963
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:14,840
Speaker 3: But if you really think about it, some of those

1964
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:18,000
Speaker 3: best players that have been drafted were guys that were

1965
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:21,040
Speaker 3: drafted inside the top ten or inside the top five.

1966
01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:24,640
Speaker 3: In hell, he's even screwed up those picks. Two, and

1967
01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:28,679
Speaker 3: a lot of times there were good coaches and good

1968
01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:32,320
Speaker 3: head coaches that were a part of those conversations. It

1969
01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:36,479
Speaker 3: might primarily Marvin Lewis. Marvin Lewis did a really good

1970
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:39,839
Speaker 3: job of building a staff of guys who could scout

1971
01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:43,880
Speaker 3: and develop young talent, and that translated because of the

1972
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:47,720
Speaker 3: way that the Bengals ecosystem works and because of the

1973
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:51,720
Speaker 3: organizational flow chart. In the amount that has put on

1974
01:51:51,800 --> 01:51:57,200
Speaker 3: the coaches, they had a significant role in drafting and developing.

1975
01:51:57,280 --> 01:52:00,639
Speaker 3: So Duke doesn't even get all the credit. And most

1976
01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:03,320
Speaker 3: of that happened under Marvin Lewis's watch. When you think

1977
01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:06,760
Speaker 3: of guys like Andy Dalton and AJ Green, which again

1978
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:09,400
Speaker 3: that's another top five pick. Aj was anybody could have

1979
01:52:09,400 --> 01:52:13,800
Speaker 3: made that selection. Do you think about Jamar Chase, same thing,

1980
01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:17,720
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, same thing, but you know past that, Jonah Williams,

1981
01:52:17,800 --> 01:52:23,000
Speaker 3: eh John Ross, no, thank you, like there's been Jake Fisher,

1982
01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:27,800
Speaker 3: Cedric o'boy, he Ugh dear god. Drake Kirkpatrick is one

1983
01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:30,120
Speaker 3: of the most overrated players in the history of this franchise.

1984
01:52:30,160 --> 01:52:31,800
Speaker 2: William Jackson, how'd that work out?

1985
01:52:32,479 --> 01:52:38,400
Speaker 3: So there's plenty of examples of Duke and his staff missing.

1986
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:44,800
Speaker 3: He should no longer be employed here. The Bengals, by

1987
01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:48,720
Speaker 3: my count, have nine or ten people, depending on how

1988
01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:52,479
Speaker 3: you look at it, in their personnel department. Duke Tobin,

1989
01:52:52,640 --> 01:52:57,600
Speaker 3: Director of Player Personnel aka GM, Paul Brown, who is

1990
01:52:57,640 --> 01:53:01,360
Speaker 3: a member of the family. He's the v player personnel.

1991
01:53:01,880 --> 01:53:06,439
Speaker 3: You got, Trey Brown, Mike Potts, Steven Radisivik, Josh Hinch,

1992
01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:10,760
Speaker 3: Tyler Ramsey, Andrew Johnson, and Trey Labouni. Those guys are

1993
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:16,360
Speaker 3: all in scouting this organization, scouting for this organization personnel

1994
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:17,280
Speaker 3: department right there.

1995
01:53:17,439 --> 01:53:18,559
Speaker 2: That's all of them. Nine.

1996
01:53:20,160 --> 01:53:22,080
Speaker 3: That's more than you thought, I know, if you're listening

1997
01:53:22,160 --> 01:53:26,000
Speaker 3: right now. But still that's the team that Duke Tobin

1998
01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:30,160
Speaker 3: has assembled. Now, two of those guys were hired this year,

1999
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:33,280
Speaker 3: Josh Hinch and Tyler Ramsey. Those are two scouts that

2000
01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:39,840
Speaker 3: were hired this summer. So unfair I think to you know,

2001
01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:44,040
Speaker 3: evaluate them as scouts when they just got here. And

2002
01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:47,200
Speaker 3: I think part of the reason why there's not going

2003
01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:52,479
Speaker 3: to be a change in the player personnel department. As

2004
01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:55,000
Speaker 3: much as I think Duke Tobin has earned the right

2005
01:53:55,080 --> 01:53:59,920
Speaker 3: to be fired, it's not going to happen. And because

2006
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:01,880
Speaker 3: he's been here for as long as he has, and

2007
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:06,480
Speaker 3: because of the personal relationships, Duke feels insulated from criticism.

2008
01:54:06,680 --> 01:54:08,599
Speaker 3: Also because they don't put him out there to talk.

2009
01:54:09,479 --> 01:54:12,280
Speaker 3: Much like a Bengals defensive player after a loss, Duke

2010
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:16,120
Speaker 3: Tobin ain't talking, and so you protect him from that,

2011
01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:19,040
Speaker 3: You shield him from the criticism. He doesn't have to

2012
01:54:19,080 --> 01:54:21,439
Speaker 3: answer for his mistakes but once or twice a year,

2013
01:54:21,479 --> 01:54:26,080
Speaker 3: and even then that never happens. And so because he's

2014
01:54:26,120 --> 01:54:29,240
Speaker 3: so insulated, and because of the way the organization chooses

2015
01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:33,680
Speaker 3: to do business, any conversation about Duke Tobin losing his

2016
01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:37,720
Speaker 3: job feels kind of pointless. Now, it doesn't mean it

2017
01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:40,240
Speaker 3: shouldn't be said. It doesn't mean it shouldn't be having

2018
01:54:40,280 --> 01:54:44,520
Speaker 3: those conversations. Duke should not be employed. Everybody knows that.

2019
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:48,680
Speaker 3: And as a fan base, you should be cranking the

2020
01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:52,200
Speaker 3: heat up on him because he deserves it and he

2021
01:54:52,280 --> 01:54:58,440
Speaker 3: never has to answer for his failures. But doesn't seem

2022
01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:01,000
Speaker 3: like that would really have much of an effect on

2023
01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:05,720
Speaker 3: the organization. So how do you fix it in house?

2024
01:55:05,880 --> 01:55:07,960
Speaker 3: How do you fix it with who you have? Well,

2025
01:55:08,000 --> 01:55:11,600
Speaker 3: if Duke's not going to go anywhere, you then have

2026
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:18,840
Speaker 3: to consider firing other people. Moving on from other people,

2027
01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:26,720
Speaker 3: what would be the harm in cleaning house. I've said

2028
01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:30,600
Speaker 3: it at nauseum around here that all roads lead back

2029
01:55:30,640 --> 01:55:36,600
Speaker 3: to Zach Taylor. In signing off on draft decisions, on

2030
01:55:36,760 --> 01:55:40,480
Speaker 3: signing off on free agent signings, on hiring the staff,

2031
01:55:41,240 --> 01:55:45,320
Speaker 3: on firing the staff, all of it leads back to

2032
01:55:45,440 --> 01:55:47,400
Speaker 3: Zach Taylor. And while I think he has done a

2033
01:55:47,480 --> 01:55:50,760
Speaker 3: magnificent job coaching the offense this year, and he deserves

2034
01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:53,120
Speaker 3: a ton of credit, and I do think that's indicative

2035
01:55:53,160 --> 01:55:55,600
Speaker 3: of him as a person. As an offensive coach, he

2036
01:55:55,680 --> 01:55:59,320
Speaker 3: has not done a good enough job surrounding himself, especially

2037
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:02,880
Speaker 3: his defense, with coaches that can get them over the hump.

2038
01:56:04,120 --> 01:56:07,080
Speaker 3: The lack of development is less on Duke and more

2039
01:56:07,120 --> 01:56:13,720
Speaker 3: on Zach and his choices for coaches. Al Golden moved

2040
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:17,440
Speaker 3: on once before as the linebackers coach. He left, they

2041
01:56:17,480 --> 01:56:20,080
Speaker 3: brought in another guy, didn't work out so great, they

2042
01:56:20,200 --> 01:56:24,840
Speaker 3: brought in another guy gone. They've fired Marion Hobby, they

2043
01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:27,960
Speaker 3: hired Jerry Montgomery. That unit has taken a step back.

2044
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:35,520
Speaker 3: Secondary still not very good. Same secondaries and safety's coach

2045
01:56:35,560 --> 01:56:39,000
Speaker 3: been there the whole time. That's a Zach Taylor issue.

2046
01:56:40,280 --> 01:56:43,120
Speaker 3: So if you want to fire him, Okay, I'm fine,

2047
01:56:43,480 --> 01:56:50,440
Speaker 3: I'm open to that, but I don't know if it's

2048
01:56:50,480 --> 01:56:53,280
Speaker 3: going to have a direct impact right away. Maybe it does.

2049
01:56:55,400 --> 01:56:57,960
Speaker 3: If you want to fire and fire him, that's cool.

2050
01:56:58,240 --> 01:57:02,120
Speaker 3: I just don't know who wants this job. The big

2051
01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:05,880
Speaker 3: and the great equalizer is the fact that Joe Burrow

2052
01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:07,840
Speaker 3: is here with Jamar Chase and t Higgins, and there

2053
01:57:07,880 --> 01:57:10,280
Speaker 3: is cap space. That in and of itself makes this

2054
01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:14,000
Speaker 3: a desirable job. But when you consider the fact that

2055
01:57:14,040 --> 01:57:16,840
Speaker 3: you have to work with Duke Tobin and you've got

2056
01:57:16,880 --> 01:57:20,480
Speaker 3: a defense full of misfit toys that are awful and

2057
01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:24,520
Speaker 3: going nowhere and have been going nowhere, that doesn't make

2058
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:26,720
Speaker 3: it all that fun of a job. That doesn't make

2059
01:57:26,720 --> 01:57:30,960
Speaker 3: it all that appealing of a job. But on top

2060
01:57:31,000 --> 01:57:37,080
Speaker 3: of it, there is a complete lack of attitude, of leadership,

2061
01:57:37,800 --> 01:57:43,280
Speaker 3: of culture. It feels like an immature group. It feel

2062
01:57:43,480 --> 01:57:48,400
Speaker 3: like there's no discipline, it feels like there's no will,

2063
01:57:49,480 --> 01:57:54,360
Speaker 3: It feels like everyone's just trying to get through the day.

2064
01:57:55,680 --> 01:57:58,800
Speaker 3: It doesn't feel like an aggressive pursuit of a championship

2065
01:57:59,600 --> 01:58:03,040
Speaker 3: within walls of that organization, outside of the offensive room.

2066
01:58:07,240 --> 01:58:09,880
Speaker 3: So how did how did this happen so quickly. How

2067
01:58:09,880 --> 01:58:12,400
Speaker 3: did we get here? It's like you blink your eyes

2068
01:58:12,440 --> 01:58:16,600
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh crap, all these guys suck. Is

2069
01:58:16,680 --> 01:58:20,840
Speaker 3: Al Golden? That guy on defense? Is he a Dan

2070
01:58:20,920 --> 01:58:22,360
Speaker 3: Campbell type of personality?

2071
01:58:22,520 --> 01:58:22,720
Speaker 4: Hell?

2072
01:58:22,960 --> 01:58:28,680
Speaker 3: When Mark Duffner left, they lost some edge, They lost

2073
01:58:28,720 --> 01:58:31,880
Speaker 3: some edge in that room. I think Anna Rumo brought

2074
01:58:31,880 --> 01:58:35,280
Speaker 3: that edge and brought that respect. But even then, the

2075
01:58:35,320 --> 01:58:37,360
Speaker 3: group of guys that are in there now started throwing

2076
01:58:37,400 --> 01:58:41,320
Speaker 3: fits when they weren't playing, and everybody blames Lou ana Arumo,

2077
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:45,920
Speaker 3: including you know, the coaches, Zach Taylor. So let's fire

2078
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:49,880
Speaker 3: Lou and oh crap. Maybe it wasn't Lou's fault. Maybe

2079
01:58:49,880 --> 01:58:54,080
Speaker 3: these guys just aren't very good. Maybe that's the unfortunate

2080
01:58:54,120 --> 01:58:57,200
Speaker 3: reality we've got to deal with here. We'll take your

2081
01:58:57,200 --> 01:58:59,280
Speaker 3: phone calls when we get back. This is Tony Pike's

2082
01:58:59,280 --> 01:59:01,440
Speaker 3: Monday midday quarterback ESPN fifteen to thirty.

2083
01:59:02,280 --> 01:59:07,160
Speaker 42: Most continues on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's sports station.

2084
01:59:09,400 --> 01:59:12,360
Speaker 3: Roll it right along, Tony Pike's Monday midday quarterback. It's

2085
01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:17,840
Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Austin Elmore. Bengals locker room open

2086
01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:23,360
Speaker 3: right now reporters talking to some players, including Trey Hendrickson.

2087
01:59:23,400 --> 01:59:27,240
Speaker 3: Here are two quotes from the Bengals star defensive end

2088
01:59:27,880 --> 01:59:31,880
Speaker 3: number one quote, I'm sick for the fans and people

2089
01:59:31,880 --> 01:59:36,040
Speaker 3: who watch us in tough games. Moving forward, I think

2090
01:59:36,080 --> 01:59:39,640
Speaker 3: will make the corrections we need to end quote. He

2091
01:59:39,760 --> 01:59:42,440
Speaker 3: was also asked about the trade deadline and the possibility

2092
01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:45,960
Speaker 3: of him getting dealt quote. I don't think I've caught

2093
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:49,120
Speaker 3: wind of anything over the last five years. I don't

2094
01:59:49,160 --> 01:59:55,240
Speaker 3: expect anything. Be where your feet are. End quote Bengals

2095
01:59:55,360 --> 01:59:59,760
Speaker 3: defensive end Trey Hendrickson. Let's go to the phones. Five, three,

2096
01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:04,839
Speaker 3: seven thirty. Let's go to John in Boston. What's up, John, Austin,

2097
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:05,200
Speaker 3: how are you?

2098
02:00:07,240 --> 02:00:11,400
Speaker 19: Then we're trying our best right to comprehend what's happened

2099
02:00:11,400 --> 02:00:13,840
Speaker 19: in the last three weeks. If anything, it's the most

2100
02:00:13,840 --> 02:00:16,240
Speaker 19: exciting team in football. So take that away, right because

2101
02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:19,640
Speaker 19: these games are just like if you went to Hollywood

2102
02:00:19,680 --> 02:00:21,720
Speaker 19: with the scripts of these last three games, they would

2103
02:00:21,720 --> 02:00:23,880
Speaker 19: just throw them in the bucket because they wouldn't make

2104
02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:26,720
Speaker 19: any sense. So you've given up one hundred and seventeen points,

2105
02:00:26,720 --> 02:00:28,480
Speaker 19: You've scored one hundred and thirteen points in the last

2106
02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:29,640
Speaker 19: three games and evenly.

2107
02:00:29,320 --> 02:00:30,920
Speaker 2: Won one of them.

2108
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:34,520
Speaker 19: This defense historically bad, as you pointed out earlier in

2109
02:00:34,520 --> 02:00:38,400
Speaker 19: the show. They've given up five hundred more yards in

2110
02:00:38,520 --> 02:00:41,080
Speaker 19: three of the last six games. They're giving up on

2111
02:00:41,080 --> 02:00:43,040
Speaker 19: an average thirty four points per game, which is the

2112
02:00:43,080 --> 02:00:45,840
Speaker 19: most sense the merger. They've given up thirty seven points

2113
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:47,880
Speaker 19: per game of the last seven weeks. I mean, this

2114
02:00:47,960 --> 02:00:50,839
Speaker 19: is horrific. And they still have to play Lamar Jackson

2115
02:00:50,840 --> 02:00:53,480
Speaker 19: and the Ravens twice and Josh Allen and of those ones.

2116
02:00:54,040 --> 02:00:56,160
Speaker 19: Are we looking at six hundred yards and fifty five

2117
02:00:56,200 --> 02:00:57,240
Speaker 19: points against those teams?

2118
02:00:57,280 --> 02:00:58,080
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2119
02:00:59,640 --> 02:01:02,520
Speaker 19: But when when you look at this entire defense, it's

2120
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:05,880
Speaker 19: like it offers no resistance. See, that's the part that

2121
02:01:06,040 --> 02:01:10,760
Speaker 19: is really upsetting. Like other than DJ Turner, did anybody

2122
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:13,040
Speaker 19: on the defense, Justindy even look really upset about what

2123
02:01:13,120 --> 02:01:15,960
Speaker 19: was going on, like like looking at the mirror and saying,

2124
02:01:16,040 --> 02:01:18,160
Speaker 19: we've got to be better, guys. Is there anybody that

2125
02:01:18,240 --> 02:01:20,360
Speaker 19: can step up and try to motivate these guys? I

2126
02:01:20,360 --> 02:01:22,280
Speaker 19: mean that still have to come from the players as

2127
02:01:22,360 --> 02:01:23,520
Speaker 19: much as it does from the coach.

2128
02:01:23,960 --> 02:01:26,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, That's what I'm saying when I say there's no

2129
02:01:26,880 --> 02:01:29,760
Speaker 3: leadership like the the leaders that you have are either

2130
02:01:29,880 --> 02:01:33,640
Speaker 3: hurt in Trey Henergson's case or benched in Logan Wilson's case.

2131
02:01:33,880 --> 02:01:38,160
Speaker 3: And I don't know how you just manufacture that out

2132
02:01:38,200 --> 02:01:41,600
Speaker 3: of nowhere. And I think the young linebackers they're kind

2133
02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:43,640
Speaker 3: of counting on them to be leaders, but they can't

2134
02:01:43,720 --> 02:01:48,720
Speaker 3: play like that. They're not good enough, and so's they're

2135
02:01:48,760 --> 02:01:51,680
Speaker 3: already kind of in over their head when it comes

2136
02:01:51,760 --> 02:01:54,360
Speaker 3: to just trying to be a viable NFL linebacker and

2137
02:01:54,400 --> 02:01:56,440
Speaker 3: then also trying to be a leader on top of that.

2138
02:01:57,080 --> 02:01:59,920
Speaker 3: I don't know that the safeties have the capacity, both

2139
02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:04,640
Speaker 3: physically or otherwise to actually be leaders in Jordan Battle

2140
02:02:04,640 --> 02:02:08,960
Speaker 3: and Geno Stone, So it feels like a disaster. I mean,

2141
02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:11,320
Speaker 3: I just don't know where it's going to come from.

2142
02:02:11,320 --> 02:02:13,960
Speaker 3: I don't know that it just doesn't just happen organically.

2143
02:02:15,720 --> 02:02:17,360
Speaker 19: Yeah, and to be a leader, you have to be

2144
02:02:17,400 --> 02:02:19,600
Speaker 19: a really good player, and there are many really good

2145
02:02:19,600 --> 02:02:21,520
Speaker 19: players on that side of the ball. Easy to look

2146
02:02:21,520 --> 02:02:24,840
Speaker 19: at the offense and say Jamaar, Chase Tuorpe Flacco when

2147
02:02:24,880 --> 02:02:28,480
Speaker 19: Joe Burrow returned, see Higgins Chase Brown. These guys can

2148
02:02:28,480 --> 02:02:30,960
Speaker 19: be leaders because they're really good there's no one on

2149
02:02:31,000 --> 02:02:32,720
Speaker 19: that defense that's good enough to be a leader. I mean,

2150
02:02:32,760 --> 02:02:34,960
Speaker 19: if someone on that defense steps up and starts locking

2151
02:02:35,000 --> 02:02:37,160
Speaker 19: other members of the defense, I would probably say shut

2152
02:02:37,200 --> 02:02:39,360
Speaker 19: up and do your job, because you can't get it

2153
02:02:39,440 --> 02:02:41,560
Speaker 19: right either. I mean, Jamar Chase had the best vote

2154
02:02:41,600 --> 02:02:43,920
Speaker 19: yesterday when he said, you know, I'm not going over

2155
02:02:43,920 --> 02:02:45,280
Speaker 19: to the defense and to tell them what to do because

2156
02:02:45,280 --> 02:02:46,800
Speaker 19: I don't want them coming over to tell me what

2157
02:02:46,840 --> 02:02:47,080
Speaker 19: to do.

2158
02:02:47,280 --> 02:02:48,120
Speaker 2: That would be laughable.

2159
02:02:48,160 --> 02:02:50,440
Speaker 19: A remember the defense going up to Jamaar Chase telling

2160
02:02:50,480 --> 02:02:52,000
Speaker 19: him what to do the man, the man is the

2161
02:02:52,040 --> 02:02:54,400
Speaker 19: best receiver in football, and Bucks is you know what

2162
02:02:54,840 --> 02:02:58,000
Speaker 19: every play out there. That would be so comical. So

2163
02:02:58,520 --> 02:03:02,080
Speaker 19: it's very, very frustrating when you watch all of this

2164
02:03:02,200 --> 02:03:04,800
Speaker 19: and just it's how what's the chance of a team

2165
02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:07,640
Speaker 19: losing a game that turns the opening kickoff for a

2166
02:03:07,680 --> 02:03:11,760
Speaker 19: touchdown from BTS as on side kick? There's a touchdown

2167
02:03:11,840 --> 02:03:14,680
Speaker 19: shortly after converting you on sidekick and puts forty two.

2168
02:03:14,520 --> 02:03:15,160
Speaker 1: Points on the blue.

2169
02:03:15,160 --> 02:03:17,320
Speaker 19: If you throw down a blunder, you can't lose.

2170
02:03:17,600 --> 02:03:18,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, And just.

2171
02:03:18,360 --> 02:03:20,480
Speaker 19: Before I go, just the one thing I've mentioned pretty

2172
02:03:20,520 --> 02:03:23,600
Speaker 19: much every week with you guys since the start of

2173
02:03:23,640 --> 02:03:25,480
Speaker 19: last year, the Bengals have scored thirty three or more

2174
02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:26,400
Speaker 19: points ten times.

2175
02:03:26,400 --> 02:03:28,520
Speaker 12: They're two and six in those games.

2176
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:31,200
Speaker 19: The other thirty one teams when scoring thirty three or

2177
02:03:31,280 --> 02:03:34,240
Speaker 19: more points win ninety percent of their games. The Bengals

2178
02:03:34,280 --> 02:03:36,480
Speaker 19: win forty percent of the games when they score thirty

2179
02:03:36,520 --> 02:03:39,920
Speaker 19: three or more points. So it's, as James Carver said,

2180
02:03:39,960 --> 02:03:44,400
Speaker 19: when there's Bill Clinton, you do a very good Bill Clinton.

2181
02:03:44,400 --> 02:03:47,720
Speaker 19: By the way, that it is the economy stupid, and

2182
02:03:47,760 --> 02:03:49,240
Speaker 19: on this team it's the defense stupid.

2183
02:03:49,680 --> 02:03:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that tells the story. John, Thank you very much.

2184
02:03:52,720 --> 02:03:55,200
Speaker 2: I appreciate Yeah. I mean that that pretty much sums

2185
02:03:55,200 --> 02:03:59,520
Speaker 2: it up. I don't know what else to say. You can't.

2186
02:04:01,240 --> 02:04:03,120
Speaker 3: I mean, they are on pace right now. When you

2187
02:04:03,120 --> 02:04:07,040
Speaker 3: look at DVOA, they will end up being the worst

2188
02:04:07,240 --> 02:04:10,360
Speaker 3: defense in the history of the National Football League. Right now,

2189
02:04:10,400 --> 02:04:18,240
Speaker 3: they're the second worst. And they've played offenses that are Cleveland, Jacksonville, Minnesota, Denver, Detroit,

2190
02:04:18,640 --> 02:04:22,640
Speaker 3: green Bay, Pittsburgh, the Jets, and the Bears. Detroit is

2191
02:04:22,680 --> 02:04:26,560
Speaker 3: the best offense they faced by far, and all those

2192
02:04:26,600 --> 02:04:29,480
Speaker 3: other offenses are middle to lower tier. I mean, green

2193
02:04:29,520 --> 02:04:31,480
Speaker 3: Bay is a disaster right now with what they're doing.

2194
02:04:32,440 --> 02:04:36,280
Speaker 3: But like they haven't even faced difficult offenses yet they

2195
02:04:36,320 --> 02:04:39,760
Speaker 3: still have the NFL leader in passing touchdowns Drake May

2196
02:04:39,800 --> 02:04:46,480
Speaker 3: coming up Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Baltimore twice. Like it's

2197
02:04:46,520 --> 02:04:51,680
Speaker 3: not gonna get any easier. Last one, Oscar in DC.

2198
02:04:51,840 --> 02:04:53,400
Speaker 3: What's up, Oscar? What's on your mind?

2199
02:04:54,400 --> 02:04:55,000
Speaker 39: What's going on?

2200
02:04:55,080 --> 02:04:55,600
Speaker 6: Big dog?

2201
02:04:56,000 --> 02:04:59,160
Speaker 39: Cincinnati native of working up here in Washington, DC.

2202
02:05:00,400 --> 02:05:01,960
Speaker 12: My take is at this.

2203
02:05:02,040 --> 02:05:05,120
Speaker 39: Point, all starters will go to the practice squad, and

2204
02:05:05,200 --> 02:05:06,520
Speaker 39: we know what they will be working on.

2205
02:05:06,560 --> 02:05:07,480
Speaker 12: In a practice squad.

2206
02:05:08,040 --> 02:05:10,440
Speaker 39: Pump everybody up and let's start seeing what the guys

2207
02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:13,200
Speaker 39: who normally robbed the bitch. Let's see how hungry they

2208
02:05:13,240 --> 02:05:17,880
Speaker 39: are to just simply tackle stop in no no situational

2209
02:05:17,920 --> 02:05:23,720
Speaker 39: football in each at each play. Al Gold and himself,

2210
02:05:23,760 --> 02:05:27,680
Speaker 39: he'll go be the practice squad coach because what we have.

2211
02:05:27,800 --> 02:05:29,040
Speaker 12: Right now, I mean.

2212
02:05:29,040 --> 02:05:34,240
Speaker 39: Telling we're gonna lose by bumping everybody up one you know, agreed,

2213
02:05:34,640 --> 02:05:37,320
Speaker 39: if we lose anything, then okay, But what we're dealing

2214
02:05:37,360 --> 02:05:39,200
Speaker 39: with right now, this is laughable.

2215
02:05:39,600 --> 02:05:43,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's practice squad level play from starters in Oscar.

2216
02:05:43,720 --> 02:05:45,040
Speaker 3: Thank you for the phone call. I mean yeah, I

2217
02:05:45,080 --> 02:05:47,720
Speaker 3: mean to an extent, you can argue they've done that right,

2218
02:05:47,760 --> 02:05:50,600
Speaker 3: They've already done that. They've already brought all those guys up.

2219
02:05:50,640 --> 02:05:53,760
Speaker 3: They've always given a bunch of young dudes chances. I mean,

2220
02:05:53,840 --> 02:05:59,040
Speaker 3: Jordan Jefferson was playing yesterday. McKinley Jackson, I guess can't

2221
02:05:59,040 --> 02:06:03,840
Speaker 3: get on the field. I mean, that's that's part of

2222
02:06:03,880 --> 02:06:09,040
Speaker 3: the problem is from the ground up, it's awful. Even

2223
02:06:09,040 --> 02:06:11,960
Speaker 3: if you put the practice squad guys in which they have,

2224
02:06:12,440 --> 02:06:17,440
Speaker 3: it's awful. I mean, there's they feel so far away

2225
02:06:18,160 --> 02:06:21,480
Speaker 3: from being even the twenty fifth ranked defense in the NFL.

2226
02:06:22,880 --> 02:06:26,600
Speaker 3: Isn't that insane? Like they feel so far away from

2227
02:06:26,640 --> 02:06:29,920
Speaker 3: being good again. And this is the part that's really

2228
02:06:29,920 --> 02:06:32,520
Speaker 3: starting to drive me nuts too, is what appears to

2229
02:06:32,560 --> 02:06:36,800
Speaker 3: be a lack of preparation. And that's where I start

2230
02:06:36,840 --> 02:06:41,000
Speaker 3: to put the crowd crossairs more on al golden because

2231
02:06:41,200 --> 02:06:44,640
Speaker 3: there are these players where it looks like they have

2232
02:06:44,840 --> 02:06:48,920
Speaker 3: no idea that this was a possibility, that they don't

2233
02:06:48,960 --> 02:06:51,839
Speaker 3: know where they are supposed to actually be on the field,

2234
02:06:52,200 --> 02:06:54,920
Speaker 3: that they don't know their own responsibility or the person

2235
02:06:54,960 --> 02:06:58,839
Speaker 3: next to them's responsibility. That goes at all three levels,

2236
02:06:59,160 --> 02:07:03,080
Speaker 3: the secondary, the linebackers in the defensive line. That to

2237
02:07:03,200 --> 02:07:07,560
Speaker 3: me is indicative of a coaching staff that either hasn't

2238
02:07:07,600 --> 02:07:11,120
Speaker 3: done a good enough job getting their players prepared, or

2239
02:07:11,240 --> 02:07:13,960
Speaker 3: a group of players that hasn't done a good enough

2240
02:07:14,040 --> 02:07:21,000
Speaker 3: job preparing themselves to play football. It is just embarrassing

2241
02:07:21,040 --> 02:07:23,880
Speaker 3: from top to bottom. When we come back, Tony and

2242
02:07:23,880 --> 02:07:26,200
Speaker 3: Moe join us ahead of the Tony and Mo Football Show.

2243
02:07:26,200 --> 02:07:29,280
Speaker 3: They're at Twin Peaks in Westchester. We'll talk to them next.

2244
02:07:29,360 --> 02:07:31,920
Speaker 3: This is the home of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty.

2245
02:07:31,960 --> 02:07:37,520
Speaker 42: Ten years on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's sports station. It's

2246
02:07:37,560 --> 02:07:41,680
Speaker 42: time for Since the three sixty quick hits on ESPN fifteen.

2247
02:07:41,400 --> 02:07:44,160
Speaker 3: Thirty, we were looking for Mo and we found him

2248
02:07:44,200 --> 02:07:47,160
Speaker 3: and Tony The Tony and Mo Football Show this afternoon

2249
02:07:47,600 --> 02:07:50,760
Speaker 3: from Twin Peaks and Florence and the Fellows join us. Now, Hi, boys,

2250
02:07:50,840 --> 02:07:54,600
Speaker 3: how we doing? Stay where your feed arem Is? That

2251
02:07:54,720 --> 02:07:57,640
Speaker 3: was that the quote? Be where your feet are? Yeah,

2252
02:07:57,680 --> 02:08:00,000
Speaker 3: Trey Henderson is where your feed are, beefs.

2253
02:08:00,480 --> 02:08:02,240
Speaker 20: I'm gonna be where my ass is right now, which

2254
02:08:02,280 --> 02:08:03,680
Speaker 20: is on a barstool a Twin Peaks.

2255
02:08:03,840 --> 02:08:07,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, just just finishing up. Mo and I along with

2256
02:08:07,360 --> 02:08:10,680
Speaker 2: our engineer Mike Mills. We just had a production only meeting.

2257
02:08:10,760 --> 02:08:13,360
Speaker 2: We did really and I feel like we got a

2258
02:08:13,400 --> 02:08:15,480
Speaker 2: lot of stuff out yeh yes, and I feel like

2259
02:08:15,480 --> 02:08:19,000
Speaker 2: we're ready to attack this show with an enthusiasm that's

2260
02:08:19,040 --> 02:08:19,920
Speaker 2: really unmatched to man.

2261
02:08:20,040 --> 02:08:22,520
Speaker 20: Well, the thing though, is like you, me and Mike

2262
02:08:22,640 --> 02:08:26,160
Speaker 20: met and like if you and Mike do your best

2263
02:08:26,840 --> 02:08:30,360
Speaker 20: and I just suck up the place, eventually there's gonna

2264
02:08:30,360 --> 02:08:33,040
Speaker 20: be resentment, and you guys will be mad at me.

2265
02:08:33,720 --> 02:08:35,400
Speaker 20: You guys will not want to work with me anymore.

2266
02:08:35,440 --> 02:08:37,840
Speaker 20: You guys will ultimately question whether or not this is

2267
02:08:37,880 --> 02:08:39,200
Speaker 20: the thing you want to continue doing.

2268
02:08:39,280 --> 02:08:44,720
Speaker 3: Right, kay, be where your feet are? What was going

2269
02:08:45,120 --> 02:08:46,480
Speaker 3: what was going through your head?

2270
02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:46,960
Speaker 16: MO?

2271
02:08:47,320 --> 02:08:53,320
Speaker 3: Yesterday as Colston Loveland breaks the I don't even want

2272
02:08:53,320 --> 02:08:57,760
Speaker 3: to say tackle the contact with Jordan battle and starts

2273
02:08:57,840 --> 02:08:59,760
Speaker 3: running into the end, what was going through your head?

2274
02:09:00,520 --> 02:09:04,320
Speaker 20: I can't say it on the air. I can't. I

2275
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:06,080
Speaker 20: cannot say it on the air.

2276
02:09:09,480 --> 02:09:10,280
Speaker 2: Mine laughter.

2277
02:09:10,920 --> 02:09:12,800
Speaker 4: I was just like, yeah, it was funny.

2278
02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:15,640
Speaker 20: I got consecutively, I just told Tony this consecutively. I

2279
02:09:15,680 --> 02:09:23,120
Speaker 20: got texts L O L. There was an exasperation with

2280
02:09:23,240 --> 02:09:31,600
Speaker 20: this that rivals anger, dejection, sadness, bewilderment.

2281
02:09:32,280 --> 02:09:33,800
Speaker 4: It's just exasperating.

2282
02:09:33,920 --> 02:09:37,720
Speaker 20: It's exasperating, you know, Austin, you were just talking about

2283
02:09:38,040 --> 02:09:40,960
Speaker 20: Zach Taylor or Duke Tobin or Al Golden. I'm so

2284
02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:45,520
Speaker 20: tired of spinning the wheel of blame. I'm so I'm

2285
02:09:45,560 --> 02:09:47,840
Speaker 20: so tired of watching I just said to Tony, like,

2286
02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:51,560
Speaker 20: I genuinely feel bad for Joe Flacco, because Joe Flacco

2287
02:09:51,560 --> 02:09:54,680
Speaker 20: should be the best story in sports right now. Dude

2288
02:09:54,720 --> 02:09:59,080
Speaker 20: could couldn't shampoo his hair last week and was out there.

2289
02:09:59,320 --> 02:10:02,040
Speaker 20: He doesn't need to be doing this anymore. His legacy

2290
02:10:02,040 --> 02:10:05,880
Speaker 20: in the game is safe, and he's willing that offense

2291
02:10:05,960 --> 02:10:08,040
Speaker 20: to a performance that for anybody else.

2292
02:10:07,920 --> 02:10:08,880
Speaker 4: Would have been good enough.

2293
02:10:09,080 --> 02:10:14,120
Speaker 20: It's exasperating watching this team waste performances, either over the

2294
02:10:14,120 --> 02:10:16,760
Speaker 20: course of an entire season or just on an individual

2295
02:10:16,800 --> 02:10:17,640
Speaker 20: Sunday like that.

2296
02:10:17,760 --> 02:10:19,800
Speaker 2: I thought back to the reports earlier last week in

2297
02:10:19,840 --> 02:10:23,760
Speaker 2: practice that they were starting practice with tackling drills, and

2298
02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:29,680
Speaker 2: just thinking what went into those drills. It's it's exasperating,

2299
02:10:30,520 --> 02:10:35,760
Speaker 2: I thought as a Bengals fan, and we've had our

2300
02:10:35,800 --> 02:10:39,520
Speaker 2: hearts torn out plenty of times. Yeah, I thought the

2301
02:10:39,600 --> 02:10:42,800
Speaker 2: Jets loss was something I'll never witness again based on

2302
02:10:42,840 --> 02:10:45,800
Speaker 2: who was available right, how the game unfolded, everything that

2303
02:10:45,840 --> 02:10:48,600
Speaker 2: went into that, and it took them all of one

2304
02:10:48,640 --> 02:10:51,680
Speaker 2: week to top the worst loss that I ever thought

2305
02:10:51,680 --> 02:10:56,000
Speaker 2: I saw as a Bengal fan, and I'm nervous to

2306
02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:58,280
Speaker 2: think of what could be next with this team.

2307
02:10:58,480 --> 02:11:03,000
Speaker 20: And the other thing was like, what happened yesterday wasn't fluky.

2308
02:11:03,520 --> 02:11:06,680
Speaker 20: Their safeties didn't make a play. I'm not a big

2309
02:11:06,720 --> 02:11:10,920
Speaker 20: I told you so guy, because I all right, Duke,

2310
02:11:11,040 --> 02:11:13,880
Speaker 20: all right, al if you tell me the safety play

2311
02:11:14,040 --> 02:11:16,720
Speaker 20: isn't such a problem that you don't need to go

2312
02:11:16,760 --> 02:11:19,280
Speaker 20: and add anybody else, Let's see what you got. Well,

2313
02:11:19,280 --> 02:11:21,480
Speaker 20: what you got was that yesterday, with the game and

2314
02:11:21,520 --> 02:11:22,880
Speaker 20: the season hanging in the ballance.

2315
02:11:22,960 --> 02:11:25,720
Speaker 2: Do you think when Gino Stone was asked to take

2316
02:11:25,800 --> 02:11:29,440
Speaker 2: less money that one of the clauses in that was

2317
02:11:29,480 --> 02:11:31,600
Speaker 2: that as healthy, he will always be the safety for

2318
02:11:31,600 --> 02:11:34,160
Speaker 2: this team because one of the reason is he still

2319
02:11:34,160 --> 02:11:36,400
Speaker 2: out there. I don't think that's I don't think that's

2320
02:11:36,440 --> 02:11:38,960
Speaker 2: crazy to think no, like that could very well be

2321
02:11:39,000 --> 02:11:42,320
Speaker 2: in his contract because there's no other reason for him

2322
02:11:42,320 --> 02:11:45,200
Speaker 2: to be out there. And to just think of last year,

2323
02:11:46,640 --> 02:11:51,080
Speaker 2: the comment that we continued to drive home. You wasted

2324
02:11:51,080 --> 02:11:53,120
Speaker 2: the best offensive year from Joe Burrow, in a triple

2325
02:11:53,160 --> 02:11:56,760
Speaker 2: crown year from Jamar Chase, you better not waste any more.

2326
02:11:57,160 --> 02:12:00,280
Speaker 2: And not only are they wasting more, they're actually worse

2327
02:12:00,280 --> 02:12:02,560
Speaker 2: on defense than they were last year, which is impossible

2328
02:12:02,560 --> 02:12:05,560
Speaker 2: to think about. But the way in which they and

2329
02:12:05,560 --> 02:12:08,560
Speaker 2: I don't even want to use the term attacked fixing

2330
02:12:08,600 --> 02:12:12,000
Speaker 2: the defense looking back on it now is laughable. Barrett Carter,

2331
02:12:12,520 --> 02:12:17,520
Speaker 2: Demetrius Knight, Shamar Stewart laughable, right, laughable.

2332
02:12:17,160 --> 02:12:19,560
Speaker 20: Because even if you say, well, look, those guys are

2333
02:12:19,600 --> 02:12:22,400
Speaker 20: rookies and so give them time. Cool, You're gonna try

2334
02:12:22,400 --> 02:12:24,040
Speaker 20: to win a Super Bowl next year without a plan

2335
02:12:24,120 --> 02:12:26,720
Speaker 20: B for any one of those guys, Right Like, even

2336
02:12:26,760 --> 02:12:29,640
Speaker 20: if you go, okay, those guys are gonna learn from

2337
02:12:29,680 --> 02:12:32,080
Speaker 20: what they're going through this year. Find what if that

2338
02:12:32,120 --> 02:12:34,560
Speaker 20: doesn't happen, What is your backup plan? I guess my

2339
02:12:34,600 --> 02:12:37,200
Speaker 20: other thought was there's going to be a fight in

2340
02:12:37,240 --> 02:12:37,880
Speaker 20: that locker room.

2341
02:12:37,920 --> 02:12:41,240
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I mean that's.

2342
02:12:41,080 --> 02:12:43,840
Speaker 20: Not a statement of hyperbole. You heard and saw the

2343
02:12:43,840 --> 02:12:47,480
Speaker 20: frustration from Chase Brown and Jamar Chase. Can you imagine

2344
02:12:47,480 --> 02:12:49,720
Speaker 20: what those guys are saying amongst each other on offense.

2345
02:12:50,120 --> 02:12:52,120
Speaker 20: Can you imagine what those guys are feeling that they're

2346
02:12:52,160 --> 02:12:56,120
Speaker 20: not saying there's a half season to go if this continues,

2347
02:12:56,680 --> 02:12:58,240
Speaker 20: How is there not going to be a fight?

2348
02:12:58,600 --> 02:12:58,880
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2349
02:12:58,920 --> 02:13:01,440
Speaker 4: I'm serious, like a fight in the locker room.

2350
02:13:01,480 --> 02:13:03,720
Speaker 3: How is there not I would love to know the

2351
02:13:03,720 --> 02:13:06,400
Speaker 3: private text conversations between Joe and Jamar.

2352
02:13:07,120 --> 02:13:10,120
Speaker 20: How if you're T Higgins who played his heart out, Yes,

2353
02:13:10,200 --> 02:13:13,040
Speaker 20: he was awesome, Like not the first week we've talked

2354
02:13:13,040 --> 02:13:16,120
Speaker 20: about a Bengals receiver being awesome in defeat. T Higgins

2355
02:13:16,240 --> 02:13:20,440
Speaker 20: was awesome yesterday. We're not talking about him today right

2356
02:13:21,560 --> 02:13:24,640
Speaker 20: in this year where Jamar Chase has had his standout games.

2357
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:27,560
Speaker 20: If you're T Higgins, how do you not want to

2358
02:13:27,560 --> 02:13:31,080
Speaker 20: beat the absolute hell out of everybody on that defense,

2359
02:13:31,360 --> 02:13:33,240
Speaker 20: the coaches on that defense.

2360
02:13:33,040 --> 02:13:34,800
Speaker 4: Or for what it's worth, the guy who put the

2361
02:13:34,840 --> 02:13:35,560
Speaker 4: defense together?

2362
02:13:36,720 --> 02:13:39,240
Speaker 3: What did you make of the defense? Not talking to

2363
02:13:39,320 --> 02:13:41,280
Speaker 3: the reporters yesterday after the game.

2364
02:13:43,040 --> 02:13:46,560
Speaker 20: About that, because number one, what are they going to say?

2365
02:13:46,320 --> 02:13:50,200
Speaker 4: But there is a lack of accountability by the way.

2366
02:13:50,200 --> 02:13:53,280
Speaker 20: Trey Hendrickson didn't play yesterday, and you know, we've been

2367
02:13:53,320 --> 02:13:56,200
Speaker 20: critical of Trey and I think at times necessarily so.

2368
02:13:56,440 --> 02:14:00,440
Speaker 20: But Trey wasn't responsible for yesterday he talked today. It

2369
02:14:00,920 --> 02:14:04,600
Speaker 20: just there's an overall lack of accountability with the entire organization.

2370
02:14:04,720 --> 02:14:06,440
Speaker 4: Why would it not trickle down to the players.

2371
02:14:06,520 --> 02:14:09,000
Speaker 2: Can't be when things are just going well, like you wouldn't.

2372
02:14:09,000 --> 02:14:11,120
Speaker 2: We were down there for training camp. Defense talked a

2373
02:14:11,120 --> 02:14:14,720
Speaker 2: lot flying around talking remember Josh Newton, kind of going

2374
02:14:14,720 --> 02:14:16,720
Speaker 2: back and forth with change and I loved it talking

2375
02:14:16,720 --> 02:14:20,160
Speaker 2: about Joe Burrow. That's one thing when things are going well.

2376
02:14:20,840 --> 02:14:22,160
Speaker 2: You got to be able to answer the bell when

2377
02:14:22,160 --> 02:14:26,560
Speaker 2: things aren't going well, and I took yesterday as a

2378
02:14:26,600 --> 02:14:27,080
Speaker 2: cop out.

2379
02:14:27,320 --> 02:14:27,560
Speaker 7: YEP.

2380
02:14:28,120 --> 02:14:29,720
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about it. It was bad enough.

2381
02:14:29,760 --> 02:14:31,920
Speaker 2: I don't want to be That's part of the job

2382
02:14:32,200 --> 02:14:34,720
Speaker 2: in the National Football League is to be accountable for

2383
02:14:34,760 --> 02:14:35,840
Speaker 2: what you're doing and not doing on.

2384
02:14:35,840 --> 02:14:40,560
Speaker 20: The field cowardly because you know right, it's cowardly. You

2385
02:14:40,600 --> 02:14:42,640
Speaker 20: know what the questions are going to be, and you

2386
02:14:42,680 --> 02:14:43,880
Speaker 20: were unwilling to face them.

2387
02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:46,560
Speaker 4: It's cowardly. Now maybe some of those guys are talking today,

2388
02:14:46,560 --> 02:14:46,960
Speaker 4: I don't know.

2389
02:14:47,160 --> 02:14:49,600
Speaker 2: And you could just keep it generic. You don't have

2390
02:14:49,640 --> 02:14:52,200
Speaker 2: to to dive into everything to say, well, you got

2391
02:14:52,200 --> 02:14:53,800
Speaker 2: to be better just talk.

2392
02:14:54,480 --> 02:14:57,440
Speaker 20: Yeah, we have eight we have eight more games of this,

2393
02:14:57,960 --> 02:15:00,320
Speaker 20: Like that's the thing, Like that game yesterday out like

2394
02:15:00,320 --> 02:15:04,560
Speaker 20: week fifteen. Oh boy, we just flipped the clock back.

2395
02:15:04,600 --> 02:15:06,960
Speaker 20: We got two more months of this. Yep, there's gonna

2396
02:15:06,960 --> 02:15:08,880
Speaker 20: be a fight. It's gonna be a fight among those

2397
02:15:08,880 --> 02:15:11,360
Speaker 20: players because it's only gonna get worse. We were just

2398
02:15:11,360 --> 02:15:14,160
Speaker 20: talking about their schedule, Tony, find me the wins. If

2399
02:15:14,160 --> 02:15:16,600
Speaker 20: you can't find me the wins, they're all losses, and

2400
02:15:16,720 --> 02:15:19,680
Speaker 20: chances are at least some losses look like yesterday in

2401
02:15:19,680 --> 02:15:23,160
Speaker 20: the week before, where there are offensive players doing everything

2402
02:15:23,240 --> 02:15:26,880
Speaker 20: they can to win and a defense that just wastes it.

2403
02:15:26,520 --> 02:15:26,560
Speaker 10: It.

2404
02:15:26,880 --> 02:15:30,360
Speaker 20: It's human nature in any sport, in any setting, when

2405
02:15:30,360 --> 02:15:33,000
Speaker 20: you have one group that's doing everything and another group

2406
02:15:33,040 --> 02:15:36,600
Speaker 20: that's doing nothing. Eventually, resentment's gonna boil over and there

2407
02:15:36,640 --> 02:15:38,080
Speaker 20: will be a fight. So one of the things we

2408
02:15:38,120 --> 02:15:39,080
Speaker 20: may do today.

2409
02:15:39,600 --> 02:15:41,840
Speaker 4: Is determined like who's gonna be Who're gonna be the

2410
02:15:41,840 --> 02:15:42,480
Speaker 4: main particulars.

2411
02:15:42,480 --> 02:15:43,960
Speaker 2: Well, as I said on the show earlier, it's not

2412
02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:46,720
Speaker 2: gonna be Orlando Brown. He's gonna be out with whiplash

2413
02:15:46,760 --> 02:15:49,400
Speaker 2: for a while based on what happened to him yesterday.

2414
02:15:49,640 --> 02:15:51,520
Speaker 2: The worst part about this. I know we'll spend time

2415
02:15:51,560 --> 02:15:54,959
Speaker 2: today talking about the Bearcats as well. FC Cincinnati got throttled.

2416
02:15:55,160 --> 02:15:57,840
Speaker 2: The Bearcats got throttled. What did both of those teams

2417
02:15:57,880 --> 02:16:00,520
Speaker 2: still have a path forward? Yeah, you see, he's got

2418
02:16:00,560 --> 02:16:02,320
Speaker 2: a path to go win the Big Twelve championships.

2419
02:16:02,320 --> 02:16:02,640
Speaker 4: Still.

2420
02:16:03,000 --> 02:16:06,560
Speaker 2: FC Cincinnati can still advance in the MLS playoffs. What

2421
02:16:06,680 --> 02:16:08,240
Speaker 2: is their forward for the Bengals right now?

2422
02:16:08,280 --> 02:16:11,320
Speaker 20: Well, I think with FC Cincinnati, with the Bearcats, you

2423
02:16:11,480 --> 02:16:14,280
Speaker 20: saw things that you don't believe are characteristic of who

2424
02:16:14,280 --> 02:16:16,720
Speaker 20: they are. I don't think that U see team. There

2425
02:16:16,720 --> 02:16:18,879
Speaker 20: were things that didn't go well that we feared wouldn't

2426
02:16:18,880 --> 02:16:21,960
Speaker 20: go well. But they're not a high turnover team. Third

2427
02:16:21,960 --> 02:16:24,640
Speaker 20: team that's been really good on special teams. Brendan Sorosby

2428
02:16:24,640 --> 02:16:27,680
Speaker 20: hasn't played that poorly. FC Cincinnati came on glued last night,

2429
02:16:27,720 --> 02:16:30,600
Speaker 20: played a man short for much of the evening. That's

2430
02:16:30,640 --> 02:16:33,400
Speaker 20: typically a really well coached, well put together team. Now

2431
02:16:33,440 --> 02:16:35,879
Speaker 20: you would expect more than one shot on goal. But

2432
02:16:36,120 --> 02:16:39,160
Speaker 20: those losses, I don't want to say outliers, but didn't

2433
02:16:39,200 --> 02:16:42,320
Speaker 20: feel reflective of who they are. Yesterday's Bengals game was

2434
02:16:42,360 --> 02:16:46,040
Speaker 20: a direct reflection of who they are organizationally and otherwise.

2435
02:16:46,879 --> 02:16:49,920
Speaker 3: Tony and Mo Football Show this afternoon from Twin Peaks

2436
02:16:49,959 --> 02:16:51,560
Speaker 3: in Westchester.

2437
02:16:51,040 --> 02:16:54,039
Speaker 4: Fellas what was it b Where your feet are be?

2438
02:16:54,120 --> 02:16:56,240
Speaker 3: Where your feet are Yes, And he also went on

2439
02:16:56,280 --> 02:16:57,520
Speaker 3: to say you don't always get.

2440
02:16:57,360 --> 02:16:57,840
Speaker 2: What you want.

2441
02:16:59,360 --> 02:17:03,520
Speaker 3: Try knows that Morey as he does Tony Bengals fans. Yes,

2442
02:17:03,600 --> 02:17:07,080
Speaker 3: thank you very much, all right, The Tony and Mo

2443
02:17:07,160 --> 02:17:11,400
Speaker 3: Football Show coming up this afternoon Twin Peaks in Westchester.

2444
02:17:11,560 --> 02:17:14,920
Speaker 3: Back at it again with Tony Pikes three sixty Sincy

2445
02:17:14,959 --> 02:17:18,840
Speaker 3: three sixty tomorrow at noon on ESPN fifteen thirty. Thank

2446
02:17:18,879 --> 02:17:20,800
Speaker 3: you so much for listening. We'll talk to you then.

2447
02:17:20,879 --> 02:17:22,680
Speaker 3: Tony and Mo are next right here on the Home

2448
02:17:22,720 --> 02:17:26,720
Speaker 3: of the Bengals, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

2449
02:17:33,280 --> 02:17:35,800
Speaker 13: Ky Cincinnati, make us the number one pre set on

2450
02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:38,080
Speaker 13: your car radio and on the free, new and improved

2451
02:17:38,080 --> 02:17:42,640
Speaker 13: iHeartRadio ad Free never sounded so good, ESPN fifteen thirty.

2452
02:17:43,160 --> 02:17:44,800
Speaker 2: More than a few of our patients have talked to

2453
02:17:44,800 --> 02:17:45,119
Speaker 2: me about