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Visit Creation Museum dot org 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: today on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the 9 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals. 10 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: All right, here we go. 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 3: It's our number two. You know what that means on 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 3: a Friday afternoon. Charlie Goldsmith joins us to kick this 13 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 3: second hour off. He's standing by right now as we 14 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 3: go to Charlie. Hey, Charlie, what's up? 15 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 4: How're you doing great? How are you? 16 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: Charlie? Here's what I need from you. Give me some positivity. 17 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 3: Give me the most positive story coming out from the 18 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 3: Bengals into the bye week that you have. 19 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 4: I was ready to go full you know Bearcats previews 20 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 4: for tonight. If you're looking for some positivity. 21 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 2: What do you know about Georgia State? 22 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 4: A hunter was there? Back up? A million years ago. 23 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 4: I remember that I used to be good at knowing 24 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 4: mid majors. I'd say around twenty eighteen I lost that skill. 25 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 2: Okay, do you know Georgia State's mascot, nah Panthers? Very good? Wow, 26 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 2: very good, Charlie, you're one and oh the game just 27 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: doesn't leave you. 28 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 4: You know. I was ready to say no, and then 29 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 4: Panthers came out of nowhere. 30 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 3: Man, you're one and O get yourself to two and oh, 31 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 3: give me something positive for the Bengals. 32 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 4: Uh, this Joe Flacco is playing at a top eight, 33 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 4: top ten quarterback level. It's the most married the run 34 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 4: in the past game I've ever been. They've unlocked different 35 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 4: ways to make the most out of Chase Brown, p 36 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 4: Ryan when he's healthy. I'm still a believer and andre 37 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 4: josavaj and that paid off against the Jets. The tight 38 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 4: end room is not at all what they expected heading 39 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 4: into the year, and they're still getting production out of that. 40 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 4: The rookie guards are playing okay, But I'm not gonna 41 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 4: lie to you, man. I just watched a bunch of 42 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 4: Shamar Stewart tape and and that kind of sucked away 43 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 4: any positivity I could. I could muster for more than. 44 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 3: A minute, Charlie, in all honesty, if they find a 45 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 3: way with how bad the defense is to just win 46 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 3: the last two weeks. Is Joe Flacco the talk of 47 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 3: the NFL right now? 48 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 4: I just keep going back to the fact that the 49 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 4: Colts benched him for Anthony Richardson last year. You know, 50 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 4: they benched Richardson for Flacco and then bench Flacco again 51 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 4: for Richardson. That's how low things were for Flacco. I mean, 52 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,119 Speaker 4: the Scott can just play, he would be the talk 53 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 4: of the NFL. He's making or he's completing real passes. 54 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 4: It's not just you know, dinks and dunks like no offense. 55 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 4: A lot of what Aaron Rodgers has been doing in Pittsburgh. 56 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 4: He's playing real high level quarterbacks for a guy who 57 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 4: I believe, outside of that run in Cleveland, had won 58 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 4: like two games since twenty nineteen, outside of like the 59 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 4: four he won in Cleveland. And he's proven that he's 60 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 4: a guy who probably should have been getting more of 61 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 4: an opportunity all along. 62 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 5: You mentioned Shamar Stewart and how difficult maybe it's been 63 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 5: to watch that tape. Why hasn't it worked? What have 64 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 5: we learned if anything about why it hasn't worked for Schamar. 65 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 4: Awareness play recognition, he ends up on the ground a lot. 66 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 4: Rush lanes wore a big thing as I went through 67 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 4: that tape, like trying too much to make a play 68 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 4: and having poor technique doing so, and letting Caleb Williams 69 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 4: or even Aaron Rodgers sneak out the back door on 70 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 4: a scramble. Aside from the Bears game, he's kind of 71 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 4: quietly been getting benched down the stretch recently, which has 72 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 4: been very concerning. The mistackles have been a problem that 73 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 4: goes back to techniques. It's all of the worst case 74 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 4: scenario stuff for when you draft a project who then 75 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 4: misses a ton of practice and then misses more time 76 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 4: during the regular season due to an injury, if you 77 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 4: could dream up a worst case scenario of what that 78 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 4: would translate into, That's what I saw going through Samar's 79 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 4: tape this morning. 80 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 3: A week for a bye is a week to self 81 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 3: scout and really assess where you are as a team. 82 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 3: The defensive side of the ball. We know it's been terrible. 83 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 3: Same question that Austin Poe's around Tamar Stewart. Have you 84 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 3: been able to watch much Demetrius Knight and Barrett Carter 85 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 3: and similar question what's went wrong there? 86 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 4: I just keep going back to misstackles. I use the 87 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 4: word hyper a lot when I look at them and 88 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 4: their production and their performance as well. Like the Jets 89 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 4: kind of seemed to be egging the Bengals on with 90 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 4: all the pre snap motions that they were using. They 91 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 4: seem to create a lot of pre snap confusion. And 92 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 4: then also they found some productivity out of the same 93 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 4: side tosses and outside runs where they forced the linebackers 94 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 4: to kind of get into that edge area, and of 95 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 4: course that works. And the most concerning part is how 96 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,119 Speaker 4: the Bears then just took the game plans that really 97 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 4: the Jets in the Steelers did. They really just took 98 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 4: those concepts and quadrupled down on them, and the Bengals, 99 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 4: you know, failed to adjust over the course of the week. 100 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 4: The league makes you pay when you show you're susceptible 101 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 4: to something. And then Ben Jonson also added all these 102 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 4: trick plays knowing that the linebackers were so susceptible to 103 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 4: the eye candy, and they just kept taking the bait. 104 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 4: They keep taking the bait, and there's a lot of 105 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 4: work that needs to be done. 106 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 3: There is there any paths that they can improve on 107 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: any of that in the second half of the season. 108 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 3: Is there anything you've seen that leads you to believe 109 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 3: that it could get better? 110 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 4: Defensively, I went through Barrett Carter's so I like the 111 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 4: optimism idea and the tone and so I haven't done 112 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 4: this for Night yet. I did go through Barret carter 113 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 4: his tape looking for positive plays, like, all right, what's 114 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 4: their doing well right now? And there are a couple 115 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 4: of times where he is right shooting through the gap. 116 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 4: He's been a good delayed blitz. He's not finishing enough plays, 117 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 4: but his ability to just get from point A to 118 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 4: point B and his range is something to build on. 119 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 4: And then Night we really more saw it during the 120 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 4: first half of the year or the first quarter of 121 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 4: the season, just his plays and his instincts when he 122 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 4: kind of gets targeted and coverage and his ability to 123 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,239 Speaker 4: make plays on the ball for an outside linebacker, that's something. 124 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 4: But both have just been bad for the last couple 125 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 4: of weeks, and there's so much coaching and development that 126 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 4: needs to be done during the second half of the season. 127 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 3: What does the offense need to watch out for Charlie. 128 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 3: It's hard in the NFL to put up forty points 129 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 3: a game, and you think at some point they're going 130 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 3: to slow down a little bit. What could aid in 131 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 3: the offense hitting a roadblock along the way outside of 132 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 3: just playing some really good competition coming up? Is there 133 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 3: anything you're watching for on offense that would allow them 134 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 3: to continue this success? 135 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 4: Well, the rookie guards have really more fair Child together 136 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 4: some solid games. Rivers has done enough, but those two 137 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 4: guys are still going to be in the spotlight, and 138 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 4: those two guys have each had their share of negative moments. 139 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 4: I think the best case scenario for the Bengals offense 140 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 4: is you end the season righting those guys as your 141 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 4: starters for twenty twenty six. But that's far from a 142 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 4: shirt thing with either of them right now. Despite the 143 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 4: positivity more from Fairchild that you've seen recently. I came 144 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 4: up with him the other day. He kind of echoed 145 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 4: what we had heard from Dan Pitcher around Week four 146 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 4: that he was playing a little hesitant, a little passive, 147 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 4: thinking too much and not just being physical early in 148 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 4: the season. He said after he came back from that injury, 149 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 4: coming off of the Steelers game, That's when he really 150 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 4: felt a flip switch for him and started playing more 151 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 4: aggressively because of some things he was able to clean up. 152 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 4: But he has to continue to do that when the 153 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 4: massups get tougher and when teams continue to throw more 154 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 4: at him and throw at him things they haven't seen. 155 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 4: And then Jalen Rivers has just had consistently some self 156 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 4: inflicted mistakes. Though on the whole it's been positive, he's 157 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 4: been a part of some negative plays. So I'm looking 158 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 4: at those two guys. How the offense can get derailed, 159 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 4: especially with an immobile quarterback. Is that interior pressure? So 160 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 4: they've got to continue to develop. 161 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 3: What do you feel like the plan becomes now with 162 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson. They choose not to move him at the deadline, 163 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 3: they hold Trey, They hold with Trey Hendrickson. What do 164 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 3: you envision the future with Trey Hendrickson here in Cincinnati? 165 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 3: How does this play out? 166 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 4: I mean, it would be bad business if stand up 167 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 4: with him on a franchise tag next season, or they 168 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 4: kind of overpay for him in the offseason heading into 169 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 4: twenty twenty six because they feel like they end up 170 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 4: in a spot where they just have no one else 171 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 4: to pay. That would be bad business because they could 172 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 4: have just saved themselves some money by you know, getting 173 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 4: the deal done earlier. But we you know, that's a 174 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 4: tale as old as time. With the Bengals, the value 175 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 4: of Hendrickson now is like, at least I would have 176 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 4: traded him, actually probably would have traded him and then 177 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 4: kind of flip those that's right away and try to 178 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 4: have gotten a longer term contributor and kind of buy 179 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 4: and sell. But at least with Trey and now ideally 180 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 4: you know, I expect them to come back after the buye. 181 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 4: You do have a more fair chance to evaluate the coaches, 182 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 4: the linebackers a Shamar Stewart who doesn't have to be 183 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 4: your number one, he can be your number two when 184 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 4: he's on the field on the edge like he does 185 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 4: give you a fair chance to evaluate everybody. And I 186 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 4: guess that's worth something. But what's the plan with Trey Henderson? 187 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 4: I mean, we've been asking that for three years now 188 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 4: and there's never been any clarity. 189 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 2: What I'd saying. 190 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 3: On offense, we've talked about a little bit this week. 191 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 3: Is there a scenario in which you can see Joe 192 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 3: Flacco coming back to this team for next year, whether 193 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 3: it be obviously a backup role behind Joe Burrow, but 194 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 3: I think there's such a value there and what he 195 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 3: brings to the table and maybe how he can even 196 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 3: help Joe and his continued development. Is there an avenue 197 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 3: where you make that a priority? 198 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 4: I wrote this the day that Burrow got hurt, and 199 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 4: it's a very dark question. You know, it's already a 200 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 4: Bengals team that hasn't historically invested a ton of guard. 201 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 4: Do you invest five million dollars into a guard who 202 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 4: could be a starter or a backup quarterback? And it 203 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 4: will show a lot about yourself, You the listener, you 204 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 4: the decider. How you answer that question. Are you just 205 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 4: resigned to the fact that Burrow will get hurt and 206 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 4: you need a backup and you're that pessimistic about the 207 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 4: outlook of Burrough's health that you are just almost expecting 208 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 4: the worst to happen. That's fair, I understand if you're 209 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 4: thinking that way having watched six years of Joe Burrow. 210 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 4: Or do you say, you know what, cross your fingers 211 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 4: and hope for the best with Burrow and get the 212 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 4: best twenty twenty, get the best twenty two guys fear 213 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 4: starting lineup the best eleven on offense. Like I could 214 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 4: understand if you were thinking either way, but that is 215 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 4: a very existential question. Pay a guard or pay a 216 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 4: backup quarterback. 217 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 3: The bye week gives us an opportunity to talk a 218 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 3: little Cincinnati Reds as well. You and I and Austin 219 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 3: we get to talk every Friday. Charlie, next time we 220 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 3: talk a week from today, do you think there'll be 221 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 3: a parade set for Kyle Schwarber being a Cincinnati read. 222 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 4: I wonder if KYLEE Warm will get spotted at the 223 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 4: Tedwood Mall, but like just because he's from Cincinnati and 224 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 4: that's a realistic place that he could be if he 225 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 4: stops back home. I expect the right to have about 226 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 4: twenty to twenty five million dollars total of payroll flexibility 227 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 4: that ownership is given this front office this season, and 228 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 4: I expect Shwarb to get around thirty. So unless they 229 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 4: are turning a paper clip into a into a boat 230 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 4: this offseason by wheeling and dealing and maneuvering to open 231 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 4: up all this sort of cap space while also filling 232 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 4: like seven needs on the roster, I just don't see 233 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 4: how that's possible. 234 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 5: Now Schwarber is supposed to be here in a week 235 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 5: or two for an event that he's doing. Do you 236 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 5: think the Reds just like say, hey, do you want 237 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 5: to talk just to just yeah, we're both here at 238 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 5: the same time, or does Schwarber's agent just say, all right, 239 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 5: where are we going to start? And then that determines 240 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 5: whether or not they even have a conversation. 241 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 4: So how this works really is a lot of it's 242 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 4: driven through the agents, especially at the initial part of 243 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 4: the process. That's kind of the value of the GM meetings, 244 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 4: which are next week in Las Vegas. You hear it 245 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 4: every year. Man, you know, we started talking at the 246 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 4: GM meetings. You meet with all the agents, you meet 247 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 4: with all the teams, and you kind of you know, 248 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 4: I don't know who Shoberd's agent is specifically that I 249 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 4: would assume that he represents a couple other free agents 250 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 4: that maybe the Reds would be interested in. So I 251 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 4: can see a conversation having there about a bunch of 252 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 4: guys and Shoarber's name comes up and something like that. 253 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 4: But no, I don't expect Kyle to be read in 254 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 4: twenty twenty six, but maybe some conversations around the league 255 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 4: with the Reds open up next week. 256 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 3: Charlie dive in just for a moment, if you will. 257 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 3: The roster and where it is now. You mentioned the 258 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 3: roster spots available, you mentioned the money to spend. How 259 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 3: do you view strengths weaknesses of where this roster is 260 00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 3: right now and where it needs to go. 261 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 4: Well, we're like five years into looking for a way 262 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 4: to get the Reds a better bat, and that's something 263 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 4: that's something they need. But you look at or like 264 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 4: the real needs, like the things they need to field 265 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 4: a tomb are a fewer leievers, especially a left hander, 266 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 4: someone who can kind of cover the backup infield spots. 267 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 4: They need someone also who can at least be a 268 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 4: platoon piece in the lineup against right or excuse me, 269 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 4: against left handed pitching. Like, yes, they need another bat, 270 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 4: but to feel the team, they need all of those things. 271 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 4: And they only have twenty to twenty five million dollars 272 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 4: to work with, you know, And with that they've got 273 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 4: to replace their closer, their Swiss Army Knights and Nick Martinez. 274 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 4: They're losing Austin Hayes and Miguel on Duhar, who were 275 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 4: presences in the middle of their lineup at a nice 276 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 4: value last year, and then Barlow and suitor are are 277 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 4: are free agents, so there's just so much work they 278 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 4: have to get done to just steal the team. You 279 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 4: can't go out and get the best bat available. You 280 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 4: have to be creative. You have to find value. So 281 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 4: could that value be at first base with like an 282 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 4: O'Har with the Hoskins. Could that value be kind of 283 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 4: a platoon outfield piece, like a Mikey Strempsky or Elaine 284 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 4: Thomas like that might be the best the Reds can 285 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 4: do with how much work they have to do. 286 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 2: I saw it was. 287 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 5: It was interesting as well that Francona, when he was 288 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 5: on the hot stove, really kept hammering home the point 289 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 5: about depth and guys getting hurt and guys having maybe 290 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 5: to play a little bit too much. Do you expect 291 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 5: there to be a decent chunk of that money going 292 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 5: towards the depth and just having guys that they can 293 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 5: turn to comfortably, because we've mentioned in the past, and 294 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 5: maybe the minor league system's a little bit thin at 295 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 5: least for now, do you expect depth signings to be 296 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 5: a big part of the offseason. 297 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 4: So I have them looking at the roster now nine 298 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 4: guys he were regular in the lineup to end last season, 299 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 4: Fredo Marte, Luxpeer, Elie Stevenson, Stuart McLean, Hayes Now Stewart 300 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 4: will technically be competing for a spot, but we all 301 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 4: like sal And then you have Will Benson, who his 302 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 4: role is a conversation that we'll have another day and 303 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 4: what his role was in twenty twenty five to do 304 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 4: a podcast on that. Benson, is he a guy competing 305 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 4: for a spot? Benson? Is he a guy who's a 306 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 4: regular in this lineup? Well? And then throw Stewart in 307 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 4: there as well. Well, that depends on how many guys 308 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 4: you act. Do you add one guy for fifteen million 309 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 4: dollars or if you're prioritizing depth, well, that looks more 310 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 4: like prioritizing getting two, three four guys to build that depth. 311 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 4: You're probably not getting that from the minor league now. 312 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 4: Hector Rodriguez. I keep saying the name. We need to 313 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 4: know he'll be a big part of next year's Reds, 314 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 4: but the rest of their depths right now looks like cees. 315 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 4: You know, I'm not expecting him to be a factor 316 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 4: next season. Tyler Callahan coming off major injuries, Blake done. 317 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 4: Shout out to Blake Dunn for the way he finished 318 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 4: last year, but he still got a ton to prove, 319 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 4: rEFInd a huge mystery box. It's not like there's this 320 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 4: way coming outside effector so if death is the plan, 321 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 4: that would look like two to three kind of bench platoon, 322 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 4: fill in the gaps pieces being their plan on the 323 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 4: position player side. 324 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 5: Kind of an off the wall question here, but the 325 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 5: Colorado Rockies hired Paul D. Podesta away from the Cleveland Browns. 326 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 5: What did you make of And not that you are 327 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 5: fully versed in this, but what did you make of 328 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 5: Paul D. Podesta with the Browns and what could he 329 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 5: be doing with the Rockies. 330 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 4: There's a general theme here that I really think is 331 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 4: fascinating and we can talk again. But like, yeah, Terry Francona, 332 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 4: congratulations manager your finalists. Of course, we also talk about 333 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 4: decisions that we like and don't like with Francona and 334 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 4: all that stuff. But Francona is a good, solid manager 335 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 4: who's accomplished a lot in the league. Look at the 336 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 4: higher that were made this year. You know you're toning 337 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 4: the teller on the manager side. It's coming from Tennessee, 338 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 4: Craig Stammon or a lever with no managing our coach 339 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 4: of experience Kurt Suzuki in La like boy. The Reds 340 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 4: must be glad that they were shopping on the manager 341 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 4: market last year as opposed to this year, because last 342 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 4: year was just the Reds, the Marlins, the White Sox, 343 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 4: the Reads were by far the most enticing, attractive job 344 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 4: and they got the best guy available in Terry Francona. 345 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 4: This year, both on the on the front office and 346 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 4: on the manager side, due to some you know, some 347 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 4: some changing factors in baseball and so many openings going on, 348 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 4: you saw a lot of off the wall hires where 349 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 4: there's a ton of risks, and those will be fascinating 350 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 4: stories in baseball. But the Reds really did kind of 351 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 4: get lucky with their timing in Francona that they didn't 352 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 4: have to be shopping for, you know, lead decision makers 353 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 4: when the market was so poor and so deluded. You know, 354 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 4: the Reds weren't a good spout to be able to 355 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 4: do that last year. Because this year you're seeing some 356 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 4: guys get hired and you're like, what the heck happened here? 357 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 5: Last question with the potential lockout looming in twenty twenty seven. 358 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 5: Do you think that affects decisions in this offseason, especially 359 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 5: from a financial standpoint. 360 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 4: I think it should. I think you go all in. 361 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 4: And this is just me speculating, like I'm not Nick 362 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 4: call what I do. And Nick has never indicated that 363 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 4: his plan is to go all in. He uses the 364 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 4: word sustainability long you build them within all that. What 365 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 4: I do is I push real chips in for twenty 366 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 4: twenty six, see what happens in twenty twenty seven, and 367 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 4: see how your roster looks, and as soon as the 368 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 4: wheels fall out, trade from the top of your roster, 369 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 4: restop the roster that way. But at least in that 370 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 4: case you get a real chance to make a run, 371 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 4: and you do have some valuable pieces who can catch 372 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 4: you some stuff in return in twenty seven and twenty 373 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 4: eight to kind of rebuild for twenty twenty nine or 374 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 4: twenty twenty or twenty thirty. But that's me, that's not them. Yes, 375 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 4: the lockout is the looming thing that creates some fear 376 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 4: from a payrol perspective, what you'll have to work with, 377 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 4: and that would probably that's kind of a talk of 378 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 4: baseball right now is how that impacts planning going forward. 379 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 3: Charlie, before we let you go, we mentioned positivity. Make 380 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 3: me feel better that last week for the Bearcats was 381 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 3: just a bad game against Utah and that this team 382 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 3: can win out and play for a big twelve championship. 383 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 4: I feel very confident about the growth and development development 384 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 4: of Brendan Towresby. Last year, what you saw was a 385 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 4: very negative arrow. Once teams figured them out, once teams 386 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 4: kind of took away the underneath game, he wasn't able 387 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 4: to beat too deep. I feel much more confident about 388 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 4: his ability to make adjustments and about his ability to 389 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 4: be consonant when things aren't going his way. I'll feel 390 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 4: very positive about the difference in just who he is 391 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 4: as a quarterback compared to last season. So you know, 392 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 4: he played poorly against you saw that was a big 393 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 4: part of that game. Special teams play poorly as well. 394 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 4: But I like this quarterback and I like the star 395 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 4: power on this team. As soon as they can just 396 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 4: become more consistent against the run, they'll be on a 397 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 4: better path. 398 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 3: Charlie, You're never on a bye week, So for those listening, 399 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 3: what's the easiest way they can follow along with all 400 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 3: your work. 401 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 4: Charlie Shockboard in Fox nineteen. We've got a We're not 402 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 4: on a bye week, you know. It's it's very convenient 403 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 4: that the MLP off season opened up, right, But the 404 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 4: Bengals are off and we've got some fun baseball stories 405 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 4: and the works, and then we'll be back at Pacoor 406 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 4: next week. 407 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 3: You're the best, Charlie heaving during weekend. We'll talk to 408 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 3: you again next week. 409 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 4: See you guys. 410 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 3: That's Charlie Goldsmith. That is a time that I value 411 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 3: a great deal. Every Friday my favorite twenty five minutes 412 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 3: of the week. I just enjoy talking to Charlie and 413 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 3: picking his brain so much. 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