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Speaker 1: Welcome back, middle part of the radio show, and Ben

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Speaker 1: Liber at Nacho Liber via the tweet machine joins us

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Speaker 1: about this time each and every Thursday, and you can

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Speaker 1: also watch Ben Today on Channel five twin Cities Live

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Speaker 1: three to four thirty Channel five. That show is fantastic

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Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it. They mesh interesting interviews with

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Speaker 1: provocative vignettes, so check it out today at three on

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Speaker 2: Those not up to speed on CCRF, what is it?

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Speaker 3: Children's Cancer Research Fund the local nonprofit that is national

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Speaker 3: and they help out children with cancer and their families

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Speaker 3: donate where you can when you can.

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Speaker 2: Much appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: So decade decade plus in the NFL for Ben Liber.

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Speaker 1: So therefore the cliche a twenty four hour rule is

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Speaker 1: something you know, he knows, he knows much about where. Hey,

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Speaker 1: you just want to big game, all right, Well, by

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours from now, say three to fifteenth Central

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Speaker 1: that Monday, after you've done everything at the facility, put

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Speaker 1: that one to the side, move on to the next one.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, that was an awful loss.

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Speaker 1: Don't don't lament, don't dwell twenty four hours from now,

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Speaker 1: like three to fifteen. Gotta have that loss behind us

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Speaker 1: so we can move on to the next one. And

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Speaker 1: habit and routine is very important for football players and coaches.

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Speaker 1: It generally leads to the best of the best. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So I lay all that out because here we are

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. Four and six is so much different than

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Speaker 1: five and five and getting totally healthy, maybe often exciting

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Speaker 1: win I mean, it's they got to win them all

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Speaker 1: to get to the playoffs. I mean, they're going to

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Speaker 1: probably have to win them all if they want to

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Speaker 1: get to the postseason, which has some long shot to it.

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Speaker 1: But I guess that bears loss. Man, when you got

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Speaker 1: the lead with fifty seconds to go, I don't care

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Speaker 1: how many time I'll say, it just still stings a

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Speaker 1: little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it totally stings. And you're right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you want this to be an exciting January,

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Speaker 3: then they're going to have to win out and they're

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Speaker 3: going to have to win out. And I think to

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Speaker 3: make if we make it to that point, you're going

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Speaker 3: to have to start winning in better fashion than that

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Speaker 3: we're playing right now, you know, And I think that

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Speaker 3: we all agree the last couple of games, we've given

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Speaker 3: those games away. It's not like the other team is

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Speaker 3: much better than us. Certainly they're competitive teams, but I

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Speaker 3: don't think that we are outclassed or out skilled by

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Speaker 3: any one of those teams, by Chicago or Baltimore. No,

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Speaker 3: So we've given those games away, and that is the

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Speaker 3: frustrating part for me, is just you know what, if

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Speaker 3: we're going to lose a game, at least make it

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Speaker 3: look good, make it look a little bit more complete

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Speaker 3: and so man, at this point in time, that's all

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Speaker 3: I want to see. I want to see a functional

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Speaker 3: offense that's able to move the ball against a really

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Speaker 3: good defense.

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Speaker 2: This weekend.

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Speaker 3: I want to see McCarthy play clean. It's just more

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Speaker 3: about I know that you're gonna have some bumps in

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Speaker 3: the road and you're gonna play up and down. Just

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Speaker 3: don't give the ball away, you know, don't make those

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Speaker 3: really critical, sort of sloppy decisions that end up in

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Speaker 3: a takeaway for the other team. So it's clean football

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Speaker 3: from here on now.

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Speaker 1: McCarthy in all of his starts, in the first two

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Speaker 1: possessions of all of his starts this year, passer ratings

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Speaker 1: one twenty five to nine yards per attempts almost nine.

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Speaker 1: It's eight and high change. First two possessions. Now fast

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Speaker 1: forward to the fourth quarter. It's Soldier field, final two

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Speaker 1: drives against the Bears, some very very tenuous, pressure filled,

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Speaker 1: high leverage moments against the Lions. Clutch gene required, clutch

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Speaker 1: gene there. So from those first two possessions to when

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Speaker 1: the clutch gene is required, what's happened. It's in the

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Speaker 1: middle part. It's the middle part, and it's a big

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Speaker 1: middle part. Two but excuse me, three to two. That's

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Speaker 1: a lot of time in there. They you got to fix.

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Speaker 3: What do you think, Well, listen, you know we talked

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Speaker 3: about everybody in the league talks about winning that middle

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Speaker 3: the second half. I think JJ needs to win the

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Speaker 3: middle thirty. So you know, he's got to expand that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's certainly still focusing on the middle too. About

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Speaker 3: Very important. Yeah, I mean you are, yes, that is

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Speaker 3: very important. But you know, we got to get more

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Speaker 3: consistent play in that middle thirty, no doubt, but yes,

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Speaker 3: middle thirty. Whoever talks middle thirty? I mean right now,

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Speaker 3: but it's middle eight, middle four, final two.

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Speaker 2: That's the point. It's like, he's got to do better

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Speaker 2: than the middle of thirty. That's how crazy. That's a lot. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we got to start somewhere. You know, he's got to

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Speaker 2: work on the middle thirty.

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Speaker 3: To your point, though, it's like, you see what he

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Speaker 3: can do when the quote unquote plays are scripted and

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Speaker 3: he can just let the bullets fly, you know, like

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Speaker 3: he's just out there just playing looser. I wouldn't say

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Speaker 3: he's playing super loose because he still has some pretty

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Speaker 3: airran throws. We made a couple couple of balls on

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Speaker 3: the first two drives that were like, excuse me.

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Speaker 4: What was that?

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Speaker 2: Which one were you trying to throw to?

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Speaker 3: Like when you have to think about what's your receiver

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Speaker 3: are you trying to throw to?

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Speaker 2: That's concerning.

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Speaker 3: So sometimes it can look really, really bad, But the

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Speaker 3: point is based on the statue you mentioned that, Hey man,

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Speaker 3: when he's when he's relaxed and he knows what's the

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Speaker 3: game plan, he knows kind of what to expect from

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Speaker 3: the defense. He can play pretty good ball. We just

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Speaker 3: have to get him in that mindset. In quarters two and.

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Speaker 1: Three, Nordo and I pine for the days we received

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to chat voluminously about JJ McCarthy, okay, off games,

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Speaker 1: off press conferences, things like that, because things have either

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Speaker 1: come together or we all can see, hey, things are

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Speaker 1: coming together here start fifteen, seventeen, nineteen whatever. So we

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Speaker 1: pined for those days. Neither one of us wants to

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Speaker 1: talk about neural logical pathways.

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Speaker 2: And footwork ballot.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yes, it's important, but sometimes, like I find

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Speaker 1: myself thinking, I was at his press conference yesterday listening

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Speaker 1: to the kids Share It Tuesday with O'Connell talking about

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Speaker 1: McCarthy or latskyme on the tweet machine footwork ballot, I'm

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Speaker 1: just hips it's it's okay. The lay does not understand it,

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Speaker 1: but that's okay because it's complicated and that's not what

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Speaker 2: It's just boring. It's just it's just exhausting.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's almost like, because what I'm struggling with now

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Speaker 1: is it almost sounds like like a response can be

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Speaker 1: how did he ever complete a pass at Michigan. How

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Speaker 1: did he do anything outside of running or giving it

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Speaker 1: to Blake Korum or throwing the level in a Michigan

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it does sound like sometimes like did this

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Speaker 2: And I think that is slow becoming.

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Speaker 3: One of my criticisms and my thoughts about all of

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Speaker 3: this is like, eventually, just go and play football. I

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Speaker 3: don't know, like when I don't know any other position

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Speaker 3: segments for you to be successful, Like your right foot

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Speaker 3: has to plant here with the right with the right

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Speaker 3: got a step and you know, sounds like he's overstriding.

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Speaker 3: Will a little shorten the stride down by six inches.

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Speaker 3: It's like, you know, at some point in time, like

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Speaker 3: you can't have that going through your head, even subconsciously

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Speaker 2: It's too much to think about pre snap.

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Speaker 3: You gotta think about the blocking scheme up front, how

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Speaker 3: it can how can I check our.

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Speaker 2: Running back to go in this right positions?

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Speaker 3: Because I feel like there's a blitz coming off of

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Speaker 3: figure out is this disguised coverage? Is it this coverage?

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Speaker 3: Are they blitzing? You got to think about all that stuff,

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Speaker 3: then the snap of the ball, then the process of

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Speaker 3: the play, then figuring out where guys are supposed to be,

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Speaker 3: not where they are, but where they're supposed to be

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Speaker 3: in throwing guys open and throwing to windows. You got

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Speaker 3: to do all that, and you really want the quarterback

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Speaker 3: to be thinking in game like, Okay, I gotta tweak

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Speaker 2: And you can't foss we again, you can't do that.

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Speaker 2: You can't. You can't build a mechanical quarterback robot.

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Speaker 1: So but no, it's not like, don't do that. It's

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Speaker 1: impossible to do that with everything in front of you.

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Speaker 1: I agree, organically has to happen. And maybe that's when

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Speaker 1: O'Connell says that make the simple simple. The routine routine

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Speaker 1: is that you know, he's kind of getting in his

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Speaker 3: Well, I understand that you have to work on things.

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Speaker 3: You certainly do. And that's what you work on during

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Speaker 3: practice and.

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Speaker 2: Especially the off season.

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Speaker 3: This is going to be a gigantic offseason for him,

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Speaker 3: even if the season ended right now, like even if

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Speaker 3: we see market improvement from today to the season, like,

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Speaker 3: this is gonna be a monumental off season for him

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Speaker 3: when it comes to his fundamentals, because he talks about

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Speaker 3: it himself. Things have to become concrete, is the word

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Speaker 3: that they use. And for it to become concrete where

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Speaker 3: you're not subconsciously thinking about it, then you have to

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Speaker 3: work on it so repetitively in the off season that

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Speaker 3: every single moment, in every situation where you're sliding up

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Speaker 3: in the pocket to the right to the left, you've

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Speaker 3: got to you know, banana outside the pocket and throw

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Speaker 3: on your left foot going you know, to the right side,

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Speaker 3: like you've got to practice all those things.

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Speaker 4: That's why he takes his dogs for locks so he

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Speaker 4: can get a quick ten reps in. We heard it yesterday.

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Speaker 4: I'm just even listening, and you're dead on about all that.

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Speaker 4: I have JJ fatigue right now. Either get better or

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Speaker 4: don't get better. I'm rooting for I'm patient. I'm pumped

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Speaker 4: to see him in Lambon this weekend. Let's go beat

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Speaker 4: the Packers. It's a border battle. But that just fatigues

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Speaker 4: me when I think about the what we're asking the

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Speaker 4: kid to do, knowing that a lot of it, Like

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Speaker 4: I'm here in pitch and Ketch, I'm hearing concrete dry

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Speaker 4: and each there's a new bit. Just just go be better,

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Speaker 4: just please please grow on the fly, show us something

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Speaker 4: JJ and I'm pumped to do it.

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Speaker 2: You know you have fatigue. I I'm with you. I

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Speaker 2: do too.

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Speaker 3: We actually were talking to Tom Pelisera this morning on

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Speaker 2: Led my first question was even about the Vikings or

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Speaker 3: Tired of like we don't we don't know from an

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Speaker 3: outside looking in, like mechanically what he's doing wrong. Now

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Speaker 2: Like that's off season stuff. If you were to cast

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those are facts. Those are facts. So do it.

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Speaker 1: And we but especially you, because you played it's it's

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Speaker 1: Nobody's saying mechanics, technique, hip turns, footwork.

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Speaker 4: this is a cat that comes in in certain spots

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Speaker 4: and can absolutely win the day. But if you got

437
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Speaker 4: to play him for nearly seventy snaps like what we

438
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Speaker 4: saw against the Bears, I just I'm not seeing the

439
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 4: evolution and the quality there.

440
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is one of those unique positions in every

441
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 3: position on the football field is different. You know, we

442
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Speaker 3: talk about quarterbacks. We just had that last segment the

443
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Speaker 3: whole thing about McCarthy. I do think quarterbacks they need years.

444
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Speaker 3: You know, sometimes they need years to really get their

445
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Speaker 3: full potential and see what they look like. And you know,

446
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 3: some of it's just based off of schemes, some of

447
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 3: it's just reps all of those things. I think that

448
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,120
Speaker 3: is very unique just to that one position a lot

449
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 3: of other positions. Man Like, you can see a lot

450
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Speaker 3: of where the potential really is and where the reality

451
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Speaker 3: is in just one season. You know, you can see

452
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Speaker 3: it in one season. And we've seen, you know, a

453
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Speaker 3: lot of games out of Dallas Turner. And that's why

454
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Speaker 3: I'm saying, like, I'm not saying that he can't be

455
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Speaker 3: a consistent starter. I just think his best role as

456
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Speaker 3: he goes down and has a long NFL career, that

457
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Speaker 3: it's going to be more of that pass rushing role

458
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Speaker 3: in that spot player where he's getting thirty snaps a

459
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Speaker 3: game versus sixty five snaps a game.

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Speaker 1: What are some of the best routes to beating the

461
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers?

462
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 3: Got to jump on them early. This is a team

463
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Speaker 3: that is struggling offensively. They're having some issues that are

464
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 3: different than ours. You know, their offensive line is kind

465
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Speaker 3: of trending the wrong direction. That's kind of because of injury.

466
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 3: But they haven't really played great on the offensive line

467
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 3: the whole year, and it's it looks.

468
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Speaker 2: Like it's regressing.

469
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Speaker 3: They only score in the last four games six and

470
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Speaker 3: a half points in the first half. So they're not

471
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Speaker 3: a high scoring jump on your early you know, we're

472
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Speaker 3: gonna get up on, you know, by a bunch of

473
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Speaker 3: scores in the second half and then then let our

474
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Speaker 3: defense go eat. You know, it's quite the opposite. They're

475
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Speaker 3: kind of a slow starting offense and they're in they're

476
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Speaker 3: becoming more clunky because they don't have Craft and they

477
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Speaker 3: don't have, you know, a true solid number one receiver,

478
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Speaker 3: and then you know, even even their backup tight ends

479
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 3: are just not not even coming close to what Craft

480
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Speaker 3: can do. So you've got Josh Jacobs, who's probably gonna

481
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Speaker 3: play because he's just got a knee Brews and he's

482
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Speaker 3: a tough SOB and you know, as long as there's

483
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Speaker 3: no structural damage, doesn't sound like there is.

484
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Speaker 2: Like he's gonna play their vox Wayne Laravie.

485
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Speaker 1: An hour and a half ago nine to now, I mean,

486
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Speaker 1: unless he's playing a game. Was like and I and

487
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Speaker 1: he he was leaning more toards know Jacobs this week ND.

488
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Speaker 2: Really, I guess that's news to me.

489
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Speaker 3: I did not hear that segment, but I was just

490
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 3: kind of like paying attention to what people are saying

491
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Speaker 3: and doing on social media the last twenty four hours,

492
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Speaker 3: and it just it did seem like he was going

493
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Speaker 3: to play. I would imagine that he'd play, but I

494
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Speaker 3: don't know if they really look. They're gonna miss him

495
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Speaker 3: for sure, But I do think that they can. They

496
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Speaker 3: can run running back by committee this thing for this

497
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Speaker 3: at least this one game and be okay, you know,

498
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Speaker 3: I think they could manage the run game with the

499
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Speaker 3: two backs that they have behind. It's gonna come down

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Speaker 3: to It's gonna come down to Jordan Love. I mean,

501
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Speaker 3: can he find some consistency with having lack of pass catchers.

502
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Speaker 3: Can their offensive line hold up against our defensive front,

503
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Speaker 3: which is pretty dang good and can.

504
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Speaker 2: Get after the quarterback?

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Speaker 3: That'll be the big thing for us is can we

506
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Speaker 3: shut their offense down in the first half. Can we

507
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Speaker 3: jump on them and for us to play with the lead.

508
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 3: We've seen our team in spot moments play with the lead.

509
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Speaker 3: Can we grind on them in the run game, because

510
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Speaker 3: as good as their defense is, I do think that

511
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Speaker 3: you can run on these guys, especially if you commit

512
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Speaker 3: to it like we did last week.

513
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Speaker 4: Maybe a dumb question is Micah Parsons a full game

514
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Speaker 4: player because I see him like, you know, you want

515
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Speaker 4: to talk about clutch. We look at that in QBS

516
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Speaker 4: like Parsons when you need the sack. It feels like

517
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Speaker 4: late moments of games he finds the sack. I also

518
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Speaker 4: see him leaving the field for not insignificant periods of time.

519
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Speaker 4: And so now it's like it's Edar and Cooper, it's

520
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Speaker 4: Rashan and just productivity out of the front seven for

521
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Speaker 4: most part is pretty stable. But is Micah truly a

522
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Speaker 4: full game player? And maybe jumping them early is part

523
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Speaker 4: of that conversation in terms of how we beat the

524
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Speaker 4: Green and Gold.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's proven to not be, you know, a three

526
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Speaker 3: down four quarter player, and I think that he understands

527
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Speaker 3: that if you listen, you want my best, you want

528
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Speaker 3: me to be the closer, you want me to be

529
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Speaker 3: impactful on the on the money downs, well then you

530
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Speaker 3: got to give me a little break. And I do

531
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Speaker 3: think that he's so twitchy, he's so explosive that if

532
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Speaker 3: I'm is it Halflee is at the the If I'm Halflee,

533
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Speaker 3: then I would say listen, dude, like I want you

534
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Speaker 3: at your very best when we need it. If you

535
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Speaker 3: need to take a breather here and there. That's fine.

536
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Speaker 3: You know, we rotate guys on our defensive front two.

537
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Speaker 3: So is he Is he a Max Crosby type? No,

538
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 3: he's not, and you know only few people are when

539
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Speaker 3: you're that explosive of that twitchy to be to give

540
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Speaker 3: it your all that, you know, for every snap for

541
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Speaker 3: four quarters. So I'm not going to say that he

542
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Speaker 3: intentionally takes plays off because of his attitude or his mood.

543
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Speaker 3: I just think that he understands if you want my best,

544
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Speaker 3: I got to have a few breathers. And he's going

545
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Speaker 3: to come back on when it's you know, third and

546
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Speaker 3: six and they need a sack, or it's in the

547
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Speaker 3: fourth quarter and they there's a couple got to have

548
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Speaker 3: it plays.

549
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Speaker 2: He's going to be out there. Though.

550
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Speaker 1: Lastly, Bills are at the Texans tonight for some reason.

551
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Speaker 2: The other day on the radio, I said, I.

552
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Speaker 1: Like the Bill skitch to the super Bowl or represent

553
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: a middling AFC.

554
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: So I guess I'm all in on that one.

555
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: But I do believe it is like the playing the

556
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Speaker 1: Patriots at Gillette or Denver at Denver. Okay, yeah, give

557
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: it to me now. I mean, if I'm somebody in

558
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: the AFC, I'm like, give it to me now, sure.

559
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: So what I'm getting at is I think they're some

560
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: middling to that whole conference kind of led me to

561
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Speaker 1: Buffalo taking a bad loss to Miami, having to be

562
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: an eye opener, needing to work on that passing game,

563
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: working on the passing game. So I just trust Josh Allen.

564
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: But anyway, do you have a team from the AFC

565
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: you like for the Super Bowl?

566
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Speaker 2: And why no?

567
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Speaker 3: I actually have them at the top of my list too.

568
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 3: I think they are well coached. They're super thirsty, right,

569
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 3: I mean, they are beyond dehydrated and.

570
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 2: Parts to get to get into that big game.

571
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Speaker 1: Their run defense is I like, the next day, I

572
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: look like, all right, well see a couple of things here.

573
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: But I'm more riding an emotional organic. Probably should look

574
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: at a few things. Okay, cool, they you know, fan

575
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: base coaches everything. Yeah, we need to throw better, Yeah

576
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: we can run, well, we need to throw better.

577
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 2: They did. Then they're run dye. Ooh they're run defense. Eh,

578
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 2: it's consistently bad.

579
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Speaker 3: Well, listen, I think anytime you have if you just

580
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 3: then the three teams that you named Drake May with

581
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 3: bow knicks and Josh Allen, I'm.

582
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: Taking aland in Kansas City. I'm tripping.

583
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Speaker 1: I mean, Kansas City has the ninth defense and the

584
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: fourth offense, like rankings, Like they win by nineteen and

585
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: they lose by four and a half.

586
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 2: They're five and five. The eye test doesn't look good though.

587
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 2: To me, that's insane.

588
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: And that's you know, that's where I think statistics sometimes

589
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 3: can be thrown out the window. I know there's always

590
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 3: contexts behind stats. Look, they're always a tough out, I

591
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 3: get that, but you could almost see it when you

592
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 3: watch them play. It's not the same team. For whatever reason,

593
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 3: it's not the same team. I don't think that they

594
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 3: have the juice this year. I think when they get

595
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 3: late in this season. Now, listen, they could prove me

596
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 3: wrong here as we approach December, but they could flip

597
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 3: the switch and turn it on. Because I know how

598
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 3: exhausting is to constantly be in the AFC Championship Game

599
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 3: and be in the in the Super Bowl and playing

600
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 3: late in the season and having a truncated offseason.

601
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Speaker 2: I get all that.

602
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 3: There's something about their mojo this year that seems off. Yeah,

603
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 3: And if you're telling me it's down between the Patriots,

604
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 3: the Broncos, and the Bills. Yeah, I'm taking Josh Allen

605
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: and the Bills. They don't have They don't have that.

606
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: They don't have to worry about their nemesis, the Kansas

607
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 3: City Chiefs. They can play a little bit more free,

608
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 3: and they can go out there and win the thing.

609
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: And Lamar's hurt again and they never throw the ball

610
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: down the field and they can't sack their quarterback.

611
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 3: He saw that team even they're okay to me, you're

612
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: asking me if that's a championship team.

613
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: I don't see the championship level.

614
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: Well. See, I haven't watched the Broncos play this year,

615
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: maybe half a game. So they were on NFL networked

616
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: yesterday against the Chiefs, and I sat back and, you know,

617
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,959
Speaker 1: while doing some stuff, kind of watched it, and specifically

618
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: when they were playing on defense, and first time I've

619
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: watched what they do defensively.

620
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Speaker 2: My god.

621
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Speaker 1: Well, but the thing is is they have players on

622
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Speaker 1: their team. I think I know their names. I'm sure,

623
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: like I've come across them in a game call. But

624
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: the anonymity of a lot of players on that defense,

625
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. The run they're getting out of players most

626
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: have never heard of. They are so fast on defense. Yeah,

627
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: they're past rushing from the edges. Unbelievable.

628
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Nick Bonito, that's about the only guy I can name.

629
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Speaker 2: You know, Well, they got this roach bit that we've

630
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: seen before.

631
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Speaker 1: I know we have no No, it's not the box,

632
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: it's it's this roach bit who plays part time demands

633
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: four hands every single time.

634
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,719
Speaker 2: So I don't think Sirtain played well.

635
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 4: Fletcher Cox isn't in the league anymore, so he did

636
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 4: four hands on that.

637
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: Right, But they they have players, you know, they they

638
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: have a corner Riley Moss.

639
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: I've heard. We've all heard of Riley Moss. Yeah, I

640
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: think we have.

641
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: He might lead the NFL in pass interference penalties. So

642
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: this is perfect anti Vike.

643
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 4: Well, he doesn't getting openly picked on two big time

644
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 4: in that game as you're talking about, right, this is.

645
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: So perfect Sean Payton.

646
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: I mean he's able to raise the quarterback and he's

647
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: doing a good job. He's got some Marcus Colston's running

648
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: around at wide receiver, but they know the plays and

649
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: the depth of route, and defensively, well, they lead the

650
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: NFL in penalties. So he's pushing the he's pushing the

651
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: envelope on everything. He's pushing the envelope on everything, I know,

652
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: but it works, you.

653
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Speaker 3: Know, like it's uh, there's something, there's there's a respect.

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Speaker 3: I know that around here. We can't you know, to

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Speaker 3: put that word with that guy. I know, it's gonna

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Speaker 3: ruffle a lot of feathers. Peyton's a good offensive mind.

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Speaker 3: The bottom line, he's a great coach.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you gotta get you gotta give him his flowers. Man,

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Speaker 2: he's he's a good coach. Is some of it?

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Speaker 1: Like the part of coaching is not cheating. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: he is a high end offensive mind. Okay, that's it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not stretching it any farther.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: But the other thing is, as a coach, you create

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Speaker 3: to do?

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Speaker 2: No, that that's part of it, I mean, wondering.

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Speaker 3: They have an intimidating style culture, you know, and I

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: You're you're a highly competitive team that's that's going to

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Speaker 2: It's it wins.

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Speaker 1: See a Sunday for Appleton on a Saturday for Appleton.

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Speaker 4: well with Michael Russo. Just some of the things that

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Speaker 4: well during this little winning stint that they've had.

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Speaker 1: It's the cliche oxymoron. Coach Hines has a good problem

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Speaker 1: with whatever word you would like to use, competition, goalie, conundrum,

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Speaker 1: both of them better. It's an iron sharpening iron bit

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Speaker 1: and they I think they finish this home stand four

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Speaker 1: to zho and one like seven to zero to one.

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Speaker 1: This month they have said the kid tomorrow night. Then

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Speaker 1: they have Winnipeg Jets on Sunday. Yeah, and they haven't

741
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: beaten Winnipeg in nearly three years. So that has to stop.

742
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Speaker 1: To the NBA feasting on bad teams.

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Speaker 4: That's kind of been the talker with the Howl, the

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Speaker 4: Minnesota Timberwolves, and in a way they did. You know,

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Speaker 4: the final score line one twenty one oh nine doesn't

746
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Speaker 4: really tell you about the fact I think they put

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Speaker 4: up seventy one in the first half. They were up

748
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Speaker 4: by twenty five. Third quarter felt like cruise control. Anthony

749
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Speaker 4: Edwards can't hit a three to save his life right now. Still,

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Speaker 4: it was bad with it last night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like one a eight. Wow. Julius Randall

752
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Speaker 2: is unbelievable this year. I think he had thirty two

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Speaker 2: last night something like that.

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Speaker 4: But but his combination good stretch out a nas read

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Speaker 4: lately as well. Yeah, these games have been fun to

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Speaker 4: watch and as we again kind of emphasize, while they're

757
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Speaker 4: beating on those bad teams, they're doing so in what

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Speaker 4: appears to be a pretty nice fashion.

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Speaker 2: I like how you put it the other day.

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Speaker 1: You didn't box up, you just you you like caused

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Speaker 1: a light to go on for me, because beating bad

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00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: teams over the years has been a problem for this team.

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Speaker 1: And then and now the the the preference with the

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Speaker 1: zero to five against two against the Nuggets, two against

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Speaker 1: the Lakers, one against some other team with a winning record. Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean if that doesn't change, then they're not a

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Speaker 1: factor that needs to get better. Beats the alternative ten

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Speaker 1: to zero against teams with l like records. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: that's I like how you put that.

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Speaker 4: Well, and that's the key you're gonna give Phoenix tomorrow night.

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Speaker 4: So let's go to Phoenix and get a w. They

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Speaker 4: have a winning record. They have a winning record, so

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Speaker 4: that could be that's one in our that's a feather

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00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 4: in our cap. Then you go, unless we lose, well,

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Speaker 4: unless we lose, which we're not going to because I'm

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Speaker 4: trying to think of who's even healthy out there. I

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00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 4: mean it's basically it's Booker and Dylan Brooks. They scoring

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Speaker 4: their points right now. Yeah, Dylan' scoring like thirty a

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00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 4: game the last couple of weeks. Have that happen. I

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Speaker 4: dropped Brooks because Jalen Green was nearing a return. J

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Speaker 4: Jaen Green reaggravated his hamming is out like six weeks

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Speaker 4: and Brooks is scoring twenty three game.

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Speaker 1: They have a player they play about thirty a game,

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Speaker 1: who I swear sounds like a blue liner for the

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Speaker 1: Saint Louis Blues, Ryan Don. I always love that Ryan Done.

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Speaker 1: That's not a basketball name, that's a blue liner name.

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Speaker 4: And they got that Mark Williams cat who I think

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Speaker 4: there was. He was in that Dalton Connect trade with

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Speaker 4: the Lakers, but then he failed the physical and they

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Speaker 4: questioned his effort from time to time. But they can

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Speaker 4: get around Grayson Allen of course still in the mix.

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Speaker 4: But get that w then I believe it's off to Sacramento.

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Speaker 4: And then, as you talked about it earlier this week

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Speaker 4: in ith a big a big three game stretch really

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Speaker 4: at okay, see, let's not look ahead. Let's focus on

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Speaker 4: those champs to try to beat him the night before Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 4: and then you handle Boston at home. Yeah, so let's

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Speaker 4: you know, let's mitigate the the go off factor for

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Speaker 4: Jalen Brown yep, and then we potentially see Wemby Now

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Speaker 4: this calf strain, I don't know how long this thing's

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Speaker 4: gonna be for. I'm gonna get Wemby. I don't think

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Speaker 4: we're gonna get Wemby. He might be out a month

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Speaker 4: with this thing. I mean, he said, good grabbit. So

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Speaker 4: Johnson clown you.

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Speaker 2: No, you should not. Absolutely so go Wolves, appreciate the victories,

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Speaker 2: and then now we'll find it. We'll finish up with this.

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Speaker 4: You and Lever basically broke it down. I don't think

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Speaker 4: there's any more to talk about here. Texans have the

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Speaker 4: best defense in the NFL trying to find their way through.

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Speaker 4: I believe with Davis Mills Bill's five and a half

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Speaker 4: point favorites in Houston, this evening six touchdown performance for

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Speaker 4: Josh Allen just a handful of days ago.

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Speaker 2: But this defense down in Houston presents problems.

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Speaker 4: You're going to get to hear that actually on the

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Speaker 1: Style and with Fantasy Football Buffalo Wild Wings, Blaine, here

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Speaker 2: for that.

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Speaker 1: We will take you to charge, as in Paul Charchion,

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