WEBVTT - 11-4-25 R+L Sports Talk with Lance McAlister 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:15.360 The following takes place between six pm and seven pm. 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:16.440 You want answers. 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:21.120 I think I'm entitled you one answer. You can't handle 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:26.480 the truth, the true true. Hey, Hey, here we go 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:30.440 six oh eight seven hundred WLW Welcome in RNL Carrier 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:34.240 Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. I'm Lance McAllister. I'm 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:36.320 pleased to have you here. You know what we have tonight, 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:40.600 three full hours, just like we like it. Man, do 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:43.720 we have things that get to today. Let's start with 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:46.280 the headline so we can go. Trade Deadline Day in 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:52.040 the NFL proved moderately active for the Bengals. They did 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:54.600 make a trade. They traded linebacker Logan Wilson to the 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:58.200 Dallas Cowboys in exchange for a seventh round pick, originally 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:00.320 a third round pick of the Bengals in twenty two twenty. 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.240 He played in seventy six regular season games with sixty 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:07.120 five starts, also seven postseason starts. He'd requested a trade 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.759 in recent weeks. He's tied for the NFL lead in 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:13.960 interceptions by linebackers since twenty twenty, with eleven and a half. 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:18.240 He ranks third in Bengals history among linebackers with interceptions 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:23.760 James Rapine reacts at six twenty deadline shockers. The seven 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.840 to two Colts get Sauce Gardner from the Jets in 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:30.200 exchange for two first round picks. The former Bearcats All 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:33.760 American hooks up with lou Anarumo, now in Indy. Then 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:37.160 the Jets traded three time Pro Bowl defensive tackle Quinn 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:41.880 Williams to the Cowboys for a first round pick next 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:45.880 year and a second round pick in twenty twenty six 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:49.000 and a first round pick in twenty twenty seven. The 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:52.760 Jets now have five first round picks in the next 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:57.480 two drafts. College football, you see linebacker Jake Golday named 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.600 a semi finalists for the Buckus Award, given to the 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.840 top line in college football. The Bearcats are off this week, 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:07.080 so no Scott Saderfield Show tonight. First college football playoff 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:11.800 rankings are released tonight at eight o'clock. 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This is RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:49.520 Kelsey Chevrolet on seven hundred WLW. 0:04:58.360 --> 0:04:59.000 All right, let'. 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:04.320 Sort through what has transpired today for the Bengals and 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.320 around the NFL. Who better to do that with than 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:10.040 my leadoff guest tonight, he covers the Bengals his publisher 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:12.279 of Bengals Talk dot com. You got to listen to 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:15.760 the Cincinni Bengals Talk and locked on Bengals podcast. Man 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:19.920 has he been busy today? Let's welcome in James Orpene. 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:22.240 How are you well? 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:22.640 Answer? 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:22.880 Are you? 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:27.600 I'm well? I'm curious. I'll ask the question everybody's wondering 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.520 and everybody's discussing today, the trade of Logan Wilson. Your 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:34.080 reaction to Logan to the Cowboys for a seventh round 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:34.599 draft pick. 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:40.200 I think given the position that they put themselves in, 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:45.040 which is benching their captain in the savor of her 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:48.039 rookie and looking at his contract, I think. 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:48.520 This makes sense. 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:52.400 You wanted to get that contract off the books. You 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.880 free up roughly five point two million dollars in cap 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:58.160 space if you combined this year and next year and 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:01.880 what they'll save, and so it stinks, but it beats 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:06.039 the alternative of you keep Logan around until February. 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:06.720 You cut it. 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:09.440 You have a bigger cap hit. You don't have any 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.400 cap savings, you don't have any seventh round pick, and 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:17.520 he's still signing elsewhere. So did they handle everything right 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.719 leading up to it, from the benching and everything involved 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.960 there that really hurt his trade value. No, By getting 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:27.640 something and getting someone to take on that contract, I 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:28.440 think it was worth it. 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:28.720 Yeah. 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:30.719 Here's what I And you bring up a point that 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:34.360 I've never understood in all of this when when they 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:38.640 initially did this with Logan, it to me it just 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.599 it screamed rebuild and we're moving on, and yet they 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.480 were still in it, and yet by doing it, they 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:48.640 exposed themselves to the inexperience and the problems that came 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:52.160 with it. It just it seemed like mixed messaging or goals. 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.480 You can totally agree, And I've asked Zach a few 0:06:56.520 --> 0:07:01.680 times about the plan because he's like, yeah, we got 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:03.000 to play the young guys, and I get it. 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:04.520 At like a left guard. 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:07.400 You drafted Dylan Fairchild to play left guard and start 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:07.919 right away. 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:09.320 You knew that on draft day. 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.080 Demetrius Knight, even if you disagreed with the pick at 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:17.440 the time, you drafted him to do that to play linebacker, 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:18.960 for you. You took him in the second round. You 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:20.360 knew he was going to start from day one or 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:25.560 replace Jermaine Prep. Fine, but Logan wasn't so bad that 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:26.560 you had to bench. 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.400 And in turn, when you did that, you're right. 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:33.200 You open yourselves up to a lot of mistakes when 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:35.080 you're still very much in it, when you had just 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:37.960 traded for Joe Flacco. Barrett Carter's first start was Joe 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:42.080 Flacco's first start at Lambo, and you have just traded 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:43.720 for Joe Flacko, you're trying to stay in it. 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:45.320 And the other element here is. 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:48.240 It completely tanks any value Logan Wilson might have had. 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:50.280 So there are a lot of people that look at 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:52.119 this and say, you couldn't get a fifth for Logan 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:54.960 Wilson or a sixth for Logan Wilson. Well, maybe you 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.560 could have if he had another thirty tackles and he 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:00.760 was on the field and maybe had an inner or two, 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.240 and they made the move then. And I do think 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:09.200 it's a questionable move that as of now, has it 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:13.520 made them better. Maybe it will, but benching Logan Wilson 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:15.880 has not made them better on defense, And the past 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:19.600 four games are pretty obvious where the defense has had 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.640 every opportunity, even at Lambo at third and eight, to 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:24.760 get the ball back to Joe Flacko in the Bengals 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:28.040 kit to win that game, an opportunity to put the 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.920 Steelers away, didn't do it. Multiple opportunities to put the 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:32.959 Jets away, an opportunity to put the Bears away. This 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:36.160 defense hasn't done it. And you do wonder, man, if 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.160 Logan was out there, would he have made a play, 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:40.480 just that one play that could have put one of 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:41.160 those games away. 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:43.520 Are you surprised Trey Hendrickson is still here. 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:45.640 I'm not surprised. 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:50.600 I'm I'm disappointed, but there's there's so many layers to this. 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.720 I'm disappointed because I'm afraid that we're. 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.280 Going to go down the same path that. 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.640 They went down this past year, which is trade just 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:06.480 kind of in the wind. They can franchise tag him, 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:08.520 and his agent left him open for the franchise tag, 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.600 and I think that's very much in play. I know 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.080 he dismissed that a few months ago, but I do. 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:16.280 I think that's very much in play. Once upon a time, 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.760 Lance I told t Higgins, like, watch out for that 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.160 tag again. They're going to tag you next year. This 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:24.679 wasn't during an interview. This is just me and him chatting. 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:26.000 He was like, don't say that. I was like, I'm 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:27.880 telling you. And guess what they did. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:28.360 Now. 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:31.920 They ended up keeping Tea because Joe Brow moved mountains 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.560 behind the scenes to do so. But you get my 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:38.760 point here is this this Tray thing. Now, it's just 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.480 continuing to dangle and it is a distraction and it 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:44.080 is an issue, and it impacts Trey and it messes 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:49.280 with him, and I get it. You need playmakers. Fine, well, 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:51.040 if you need playmakers, then pay him, and if you 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.840 don't want to pay him, then trade him. And instead 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:56.120 it's this weird in between where they're three and six. 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:58.160 But Tray's gonna come back and he's gonna help them 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:01.199 some and they're gonna be in this little middle ground. 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:03.600 But I don't think any team should want to be in, 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:05.080 and I think that's where they're going to be. 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.480 They had a number of other expiring contracts, be it 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:11.680 Cam Taylor Bridge, Genostone long list, Joseph's side, long list 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:14.960 of brothers. Should they have done more today beyond Logan 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:16.600 Wilson and not doing something with Trey? 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.600 Yeah, you know me of course they should have. 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.600 I mean, of course they do you think Let me 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:25.280 ask you this, do you think that the Bengals and 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:27.400 maybe no one wanted to trade for Genostone? But do 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:29.120 you think they're worse a Gino Stone just isn't on 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:34.040 the roster outside of depth. No, I mean I don't, 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:36.320 and I'm not trying to be mean the Geno, but 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:38.960 he should have tackled Coastal Love Them the other day. 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:41.040 Jordan Battle should have tackled Coastal Love. 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:41.680 Them the other day. 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:46.080 I just some of these guys Joseph O's side, You've 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:50.200 had so many opportunities to be a consistent player for 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.760 this team and it hasn't happened. You couldn't get a 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:57.240 pick spot for Josepho's side that Joseph try On, a 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:01.040 Trion could deal with the Bears where the Browns send 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:02.719 Joe try On. 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:03.240 To the Bear like. 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:05.880 Of course you could have. And so those are the 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:08.840 type of deals that I think that I would have 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:10.760 been open to. I wanted them to be open to 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:15.160 because I'm not sure it makes you worse. It hurts 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:16.640 your depth a little bit, but I'm not sure it 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:20.000 makes you worse, and it gives you, more resources, more 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:22.320 tools for the future. So yeah, Cam Taylor Britt would 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:24.400 have been one like Cam, but would have been open 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:29.440 to dealing him Joseph Osai for sure, in plenty of 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:34.320 these other guys on expiring contracts or just guys that 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:36.920 don't seem like they're going to be part of the 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:37.720 long term plan. 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:43.920 Did you anticipate yesterday when you guys spoke with Zach, 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:48.480 did you anticipate any change to the coaching staff? 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:51.000 I did not. 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:55.520 So much so, and this is not a shameless plug. 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:59.559 I just want to make it clear of how much I, 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.959 without talking to anyone, without asking anyone. 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:04.040 Knew they weren't going to make a move. 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.120 I had recorded my podcast before Zach talked before Locker 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.480 Room and said they're not going to make a move. 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.160 We won't have to come back and record one, and 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.760 talked about the coaching staff why they shouldn't. I don't 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:18.240 really blame them for not making a move coaching staff wise. 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:24.000 And here's why, I asked Al Golden, and this is 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.680 after I recorded the Lockdown BDALS podcast too. I asked 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.720 Al Golden, Hey, is there any teaching point for Jordan 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:34.319 Battle in that situation against Colston Loveland, like, no, I 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:35.120 just get him to the. 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:39.080 Ground and so at some point and I did it. 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:42.480 The defense has been so bad and it looks so bad, 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:48.760 But I refuse to believe that this coach that people 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:51.240 eight months ago, nine months ago, ten months ago were 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:55.079 saying was the best defensive coordinator in the country at 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:59.120 Notre Dame just forgot how to coach. And the other 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.880 proof I have is lou Anarumo goes to the Colts 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:04.199 and he clearly. 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:07.600 Didn't forget how to coach. So like fool me once 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:09.200 it's all on the move. 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.400 Well, clearly it wasn't it Fine? But I'm still okay 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:13.760 with the change because I think they got a good 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.200 coach and now Golden it doesn't look good now and 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:21.440 they're so bad. Fine, but that does firing Al Golden 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.560 today make them better? Like they're all on the hot seat. 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:25.720 We know that they're three and six, like they should 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:26.000 all be. 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:27.360 On the hot seat. Zack's on the hot seat. They're 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:28.040 all on the hot seat. 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:31.920 So making a move now, I'm not sure that matters, 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:33.520 but they better be better. 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:34.000 You know. 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.840 It's it's a shame because I I'm just shocked at 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:42.559 how bad it's gotten. Like this is this is comically bad. 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.679 I've covered some bad teams, like I mean, when we 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.520 were working together daily. Think about some of those twenty 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.760 seventeen twenty eighteen Bengals Marvin and of Marvin era defenses. 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:55.040 They were bad, yep, but it wasn't like this. This 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.439 is the worst I've ever seen. 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:01.400 Got about a minute. You've in covering all those teams, 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.760 been in that locker room for high points and low points. 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:07.400 Describe the vibe Sunday after the game in that locker room. 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:14.239 Oh yeah, I mean starting to come to the realization 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:14.960 of what they are. 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:19.280 And it's maddening. 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:24.160 I think it's maddening you because you see one side, 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:26.680 and you know it's this offensive line that I think 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.120 has done a pretty darn good job in the Joe 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.320 Flacco era. And obviously you have the skill guys that 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:35.440 are just unbelievable. I mean, Jamar and t have been 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:39.960 just insane, and Andre steps up and Chase Brown's making 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:41.320 plays and I know he had a few drops, but 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:42.000 all these guys. 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:43.840 Are making places for Joe Flacco. The offensive line is 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.080 playing well, and the defense just can't make a play. 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.720 Of course, a turnover can't get off the field third 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.440 and ten, Caleb Williams just rolls out and runs for 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.560 fourteen yards against the That's the hidden play in all 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:59.000 of this. They had him at third down, yep, And 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:01.400 I don't think anyone in the building was confident they 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:06.200 were getting a stop, and so I think that's it. 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.280 And I don't know how they fix it on defense, 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:14.240 I really don't. I've I just kind of expected to 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.680 come back to the mean a little bit, but it's 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.800 just been so bad that I would be throwing a 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:22.080 bunch of stuff at the wall. And that's why I 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:23.800 would have been open to trading some of those guys. 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:27.040 I really would have. And maybe they were right. I 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.880 don't think so. I just know their history and how 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.760 they operate. I don't think they were pushing cam Taylor 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.320 Bride or pushing a bj Hill trade or push to 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.000 get his contract off the books, or you know, open 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.080 to trading Jordan. Battle just didn't feel like that. But 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:42.560 they probably should have just just switch it up. 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:42.920 A little bit. 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:44.800 You never know what a little new life could bring you. 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:46.800 We've seen that with Joe Flacco. 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:52.680 So yeah, I think reality has said in a bit 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:54.119 on this team, for sure. 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.200 You have been cranking out the content, not just today 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.800 but day after day. What do you have up now? 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.200 It will be coming and how can listeners partake in 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:03.640 all of it? 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:08.160 I just posted a lock on Bengals podcast. We've relive 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.080 on Cincinnati Bengals Talk on YouTube for an hour. Plenty 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:15.120 of stuff there. I'm looking at Bengals Talk dot com 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:18.160 and there are a bunch of articles reacting to the 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:21.080 Logan Wilson deale reacting to their lack of trades with 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:24.640 Trey hendrickson the cap space that they saved for Logan Wilson. 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:26.640 The actual pick that the Cowboys are sending isn't the 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:30.200 Cowboys that details there. There's so much at Bengals Talk 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:31.080 dot com as well. 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:31.920 Busy day. 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:33.160 I appreciate your carbon out of time. 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:35.560 Thank you, absolutely thanks. 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.280 There you go, James Rapine got it covered on the 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:40.000 Bengals front. We'll take a time out, get a check 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:43.320 on news, get into Logan Wilson, more Arnel Carrier Sports 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:50.840 Talk presented by Kelsey Chevallet seven hundred WLW Man. That 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:56.920 scene in Louisville absolutely horrific. Thoughts and prayers to all 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:02.520 involved and around the area. Daughter lives three miles from 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:05.840 the airport and sent me the shelter in place that 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.880 she got about an hour ago for everybody within five 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:12.639 miles and just absolutely I can't even I mean, the 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:20.560 flames and the smoke and the scope of it is unbelievable. Man. 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.880 College basketball got underway last night. I've never understood why 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:26.920 they don't make a bigger deal out of opening night 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:30.520 in college basketball, just like it starts and then it 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.040 just continues on, and it seems like it should be 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:36.679 like a and on Monday Night. I mean, if you 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.520 did it tonight, you wouldn't have Monday night football as 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.119 part of the spotlight. And it just seems like there 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.959 should be like an opening day and opening night of 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:48.199 college basketball extravaganza around the country and big billing and 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:51.080 stuff like that, and it never happened. Everybody won around here. 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:55.160 Everybody won around like the Tri State, with the exception 0:17:55.240 --> 0:18:00.000 of unfortunately the Ohio Bobcats. I think UC beat Western 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.440 Carolina ninety four sixty three. The freshman Sean Abayev and 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:08.760 Mustapha Chom and Boba Miller had eighteen apiece. Xavier beat 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.240 Maris last night. Malik Massina more led him with I 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.440 think they had four and double figures. He had sixteen 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.840 points and he tossed in three boards and two assists 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.840 and a steal. Miami beat ODU and in a god 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.520 that was the mac Sun Belt Conference Challenge. The opener 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:27.480 eighty seven seventy two. The Pride of Cuvcat Evan Ipsarrow 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:33.840 had sixteen. For the Blackhawks or RedHawks, I'm sorry. NKU 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:38.720 beat you see Claremont one twenty six to sixty nine. 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:42.159 The North scored sixty three in the first half and 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:45.120 they scored sixty three in the second half. Cale Robinson 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:48.639 had twenty two. That twenty six point total tied their 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:52.880 school record. They are at Tennessee on Saturday. We are 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:55.080 going to Knoxville this weekend for the bye and I 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:57.479 had no idea in our planning. It just didn't hit 0:18:57.560 --> 0:18:59.760 me to think of the look at the road schedule 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.200 and find out that the Norse were on the road. 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:06.040 I gonna go to the game. Dayton beat Canisius last 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:10.160 night by forty eleventh. Frank Louisville and Pat Kelsey beat 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:13.560 South Carolina State one oh four forty five. South Carolina 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:17.200 State coach by the former Bearcat, Eric Martin. Ohio State 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:24.240 outslugged IU Indy one eighteen to one oh two sixty 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:27.000 six point first half for the Buckeyes. Right State beat 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:31.640 Franklin eighty six thirty seven. Chris Mack and Charleston beat Tusculum, 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:36.320 Mick and UCLA one. The Bobcats of Ohio University lost 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:40.640 to Arkansas State. You know what I really like about 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:44.520 Richard Patino, and not just because he was on the 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:47.119 show last week. I enjoyed the conversation with you, but 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:51.720 he does his own social media and he tweeted his 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:56.160 thoughts on the game last night. In a grade four, 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:00.399 he tweeted this afternoon thoughts on last night one student 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:05.040 section A plus two. The defense C plus terrific in 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:06.840 the first half, took our foot off the gas in 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:10.720 the second turned them over three. The offense D minus 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.960 screening was poor, shot selection was below average. Did a 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:15.760 great job getting to the free throw line and for 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:19.960 rebounding C minus minus two in the glass not good enough. 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:23.600 Got a fight. I liked that does his own social 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:26.719 media and does the report card after the games. All right, 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:28.920 So the Bengals trade Logan Wilson today to the Dallas 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:32.000 Cowboys in exchange for a seventh round pick Zach Taylor saying, 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:34.520 and I quote, I appreciate everything Logan has done as 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.119 a player and as a person during his time in Cincinnati. 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:40.800 He has been a central part of our defense for 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:43.720 over the past six years, and he will be remembered 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:46.239 as a leader in our locker room. I wish him 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:49.639 the best moving forward. End quote from Zach Taylor. I 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:54.480 find it fascinating, if not unacceptable, that Zach Taylor is 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:56.960 the one who has to issue the quotes when they 0:20:57.000 --> 0:20:59.120 trade a player. Look around the league today the number 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:02.480 of a different general man who held news conferences and 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:05.679 issued quotes about the trades they made. And Zach Taylor 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:09.320 is the one who has to make the quotes available 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:11.960 for the media. I find that I do. I find 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:16.320 that fascinating. Joe Goodbarry locked on Bengals on the brain. 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:20.480 So many different platforms locked on Bengals with James Rapeen. 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:24.360 Joe Goodberry does Bengals on the brain. And he tweeted 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:27.960 the following. This was earlier this morning, before the trade. 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:31.119 I think he tweeted. Like everyone in the Bengals twenty 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:34.639 twenty five defense, Logan Wilson was struggling. He seemed a 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:37.720 step slower had to deal with blockers more often and 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:40.760 missed a handful of tackles, but he was still their 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.480 best linebacker and had some very good games in twenty 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:46.840 twenty five. He was dominant in Week one and showed 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:50.000 signs of life in a reduced role the last few weeks. 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:54.840 If he looks better in a new setting, I wouldn't 0:21:54.880 --> 0:22:00.159 be shocked. Joe Goodbarry earlier today, you know, speaking that 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:01.920 Week one. I went back this morning and I listened 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:05.240 to the conversation we had with Logan on Bengals line. 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:08.720 Here is Logan Wilson when he joined us talking about 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:11.600 the Week one win over the Browns, and I asked 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:14.679 him about that young linebacker group. Take a listen to 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:18.280 what he told me. How does it feel to be 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:20.320 a part of a unit that steps up on a 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:23.600 day where the offense isn't working at its highest optimum level, 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:25.800 but the defense makes plays and seals a game. 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:27.720 Yeah, I mean it felt really good. There was a 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:30.440 lot of doubters and stuff throughout the whole offseason. We 0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:33.080 knew we were capable of. We were very intrinsically motivated. 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:35.119 We didn't really care about all the external factors that 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:37.440 were going on. Outside the building, and we believed in 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:40.080 one another, believe in the coaching staff, and since Al's 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:42.560 gotten here, like that's just kind of been our mantra 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:45.159 as a stack a day, brick by brick, and we 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:47.080 went out and did a lot of good things yesterday 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:48.440 and found a way to come away with a win. 0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:50.960 And honestly, that's the most important thing is finding ways 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:53.240 to win. Especially week one. It's never going to be 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:55.240 very clean or as perfect as you want to be. 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:58.239 That's the nature of week one because no one has 0:22:58.240 --> 0:22:59.840 played a full game. Even if you've played in some 0:22:59.880 --> 0:23:01.919 of the preseason, you haven't played an entire game, and 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:03.639 some of those factors come into count. 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:08.440 You're the widely veteran of that linebacker group. Now. Dimitrius Knights, 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:11.080 the rookie, played fifty eight snaps yesterday. What was it 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:13.679 like playing with him? Communication? How do things go? 0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:16.640 Kid plays with his hair on fire, He's super twitchy, 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:18.760 and it's just good to have a guy like that 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:21.080 playing next year. He's just going to find a way 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:23.640 to make plays. He's always he's running to the ball. 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:24.960 That's the one thing I told him, I said, dude, 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:26.640 you're gonna make mistakes today. I've said, but the one 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:28.520 thing you can control is your efforts. I just fly 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:30.679 around and make plays, and he definitely did that. And 0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:32.480 he's going to continue to grow at the more reps 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:34.680 he gets and continue to be a really good player 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:35.120 for US. 0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:38.639 Logan Wilson back in Week one on Bengals line I 0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:42.800 was looking at Pro Football Focus this morning linebacker grades. 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:46.520 Out of eighty two linebackers in the NFL who qualify 0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:50.960 with enough snaps overall grade at the linebacker position, Logan 0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:54.800 Wilson ranks fifty eighth out of eighty two, Barrett Carter 0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:58.800 eightieth out of eighty two, and Dimitrius Knight Junior eighty 0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:03.480 two out of eighty two. In terms of run defense 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:07.840 grade out of eighty six qualified linebackers, Logan was sixty 0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:11.560 third against the run, Barrett eighty second against the run, 0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:16.399 Demetrius eighty sixth against the run. In terms of pass 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:21.080 coverage out of seventy five qualifying linebackers, Logan ranked fifty 0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:25.640 second out of seventy five, Dimitrious Night Junior fifty fourth, 0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:31.800 and Barrett Carter sixty first. So it's the young guys show. 0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:34.639 It's theirs to do with it. What they can in 0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:37.199 the remaining eight games of the season. It's been that 0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:42.000 way since they demoted Logan Wilson. Zach talked yesterday about 0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:46.280 the opportunities in clearing the way for young guys to 0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:49.760 find their voice or how that is established. Listen to 0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:51.359 what Zach said yesterday. 0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:55.679 I'm not afraid for young guys to step up. 0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:56.000 You know. 0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:57.560 It doesn't have to be a veteran. Doesn't have to 0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:00.080 be a three, four, five, six, seven year veteran. It 0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:02.520 can be you that's done things the right way and 0:25:02.600 --> 0:25:04.960 is accountable and the guys respond to and it doesn't 0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:07.720 have to be perfect. But I think those young linebackers 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:10.440 have leadership qualities, and guys see the way they work 0:25:10.440 --> 0:25:12.159 and how much it means to them, and so if 0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:14.840 they were to speak, I think that guys would listen 0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:16.560 to them, you know, And I think there's a lot 0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:18.520 of guys that fit that that. I remember Sam Hubbard 0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:20.800 going through this is young player kind of afraid to 0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:22.879 speak because there were other veterans in the room that 0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:25.760 kind of had that position and always pushing him to 0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:28.919 take guys respect the way you work. Eventually that clicked 0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:30.639 for him and he took over that ownership and was 0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:33.480 a tremendous leadership for us. There's similar positions I feel 0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:36.320 right now where we're pushing guys, don't be afraid, don't 0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:37.000 be afraid. 0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:37.520 To step on toes. 0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:39.600 That's we just want to win games, and we want 0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:41.800 everyone to be accountable and if you got leadership qualities, 0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:44.439 step up and say something. Sometimes there's quiet leadership too, 0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:46.480 guys just doing what they do and doing it the 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:48.159 right way. And guys respond to that as well, so 0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:50.480 that when they do speak every so often then it 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:51.840 really resonates with other guys. 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:53.080 And we got some of that as well. 0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:58.480 Zach Taylor yesterday, Still Ahead, Zach was asked twice about 0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:02.400 how the front off is feels about where things are 0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:06.040 right now. What he said, when we continue RNL Carrier 0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:13.840 Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred WLW, let's 0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:17.520 keep rolling. Hey, I'm on X at Lance Pacallister. I'm 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:20.200 honored if you follow thank you. If you don't, I'd 0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:22.720 be honored if you joined us. You could contribute to 0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:25.240 the show during the show, be a part of the conversation, 0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:29.679 even added the conversation outside the show. I'm always twenty 0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:33.560 four to seven on X Atlance Pcallister joined us in 0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:36.200 the fun. This is not fun. I'm looking at Jay 0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:39.239 Morrison from Bengals Talk dot com and he has a 0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:44.439 list through Sunday through last night of the NFL missed 0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:49.480 tackle leaders around the league. This is according to sports Radar, 0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:52.960 which tracks such things. Number one in most mistackles, Jordan 0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:56.800 Battle of the Bengals fifteen, number two in most mistackles, 0:26:56.840 --> 0:27:01.959 Dimitris Knight Junior Bengals fourteen, tied for third, Gino Stone 0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:08.680 Cincinnati Bengals thirteen and tied for ninth. Barrett Carter Bengals 0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:15.040 with ten. Bengals have four in the top nine in 0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:20.080 terms of mistackles through week nine of the NFL season. 0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:26.200 My head hurts. Yesterday, Zach met with the media traditional 0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:29.080 Monday gathering and was asking a couple of different times 0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:37.840 about the front office. And this aspect has always amused 0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:42.560 and confused me. I want you to take a listen, 0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:46.760 Zach answering the first question about the front office. 0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:52.560 Here it is, Zach, what's been Duke's assessment of just 0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:55.679 what's going on defensively and what may be able to 0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:57.240 improve after the Bobbo. 0:27:57.000 --> 0:27:59.000 I'm gonna speak for anybody. I mean for us, we 0:27:59.080 --> 0:27:59.960 got to execute better. 0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:01.680 Obviously, We've got to get everybody on the same page 0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:04.400 and execute the fundamentals and the details of what we're 0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:07.600 trying to do. And I think everyone's in favor of that, 0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:10.320 and everyone wants to do that. We just we haven't 0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:12.040 done a great job of that, especially over the last 0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:13.360 couple of weeks, and so we're all. 0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:14.280 Accountable for that. 0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:16.200 That's what we'll spend our why week doing as coaches, 0:28:16.600 --> 0:28:18.600 trying to find a way to get everybody to play 0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:20.040 on the same page all the time. We've got a 0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:21.399 lot of young players that are out there at the 0:28:21.400 --> 0:28:23.920 same time, and so getting those guys the experience they 0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:27.040 need together is only going to make us better in 0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:29.880 the future. And so again we're just working through all that. 0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:31.400 Guys are all accountable for it. 0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:34.560 Everybody wants to play winning defense, winning football, winning team, football, 0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:35.800 winning offense, all that stuff. 0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:37.240 So that's what we'll continue to try to. 0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:41.680 Do, Zach Taylor. Yesterday, he was asked again during that 0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:45.680 news conference about conversations with the front office and the 0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:49.080 de facto general manager, Duke Tobin. Listen to what he said. 0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:51.880 I know you're not going to give us exactly what 0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:54.640 conversations have been like but when it comes to duke 0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:57.520 toe and our ownership and name said are main confident 0:28:57.840 --> 0:28:58.800 in the side. 0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:01.320 I should not speak for anybody. We have great staff, 0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:04.160 great great conversations. Everyone's on the same page that we 0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:06.200 just want to win and we want to look good 0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:09.040 when we're winning. Yeah, and there's nobody that lacks accountability 0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:10.680 in any area. We're all just trying to do everything 0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:12.280 we can to get better. But I'm certainly not gonna 0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:12.920 speak for anybody. 0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:16.160 Accountability. Remember that word. It'll come into play in our 0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:19.120 next segment after the news. But can you imagine going 0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:23.040 through a season like this, a season of major disappointment, 0:29:23.640 --> 0:29:26.719 a step back for the franchise, and only offering up 0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:29.920 your head coach to talk about it, serving up Zach 0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:33.000 Taylor to answer, an attempt to explain and defend and 0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:37.840 carry water for the organization. You know, the word accountability 0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:42.680 was uttered by Zach seven times yesterday, seven times I counted. 0:29:43.480 --> 0:29:45.760 Has a word ever been thrown around more by an 0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:52.200 organization and applied less than in the Bengals organization. Accountability 0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:55.400 only applies to the players. It never goes up the chain, 0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:59.440 It only trickles down the chain. You know fans faced 0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:02.680 A number of fans faced a season ticket opt out 0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:07.480 deadline last week. There's been a lot of soul searching 0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:11.880 going on by a lot of fans asked to make 0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:18.920 decisions and not provided answers about a plan only hearing 0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:21.800 from the head coach. Jason Williams of The Inquirer wrote, 0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:24.840 I think it was Monday. Someone in the front office 0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:27.560 needs to answer for this immediately. It starts with hearing 0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:30.800 from Duke Tobin, who's the architect of the roster. It's 0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:33.680 all that matters right now. As angry as anger and 0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:36.640 apathy builds in a fan base that has led to 0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:41.760 that has led to believe the days of the Bengals 0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:44.640 being a national punchline ended with a Super Bowl run 0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:49.000 four seasons ago, and Jason wrote, I requested an interview 0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:52.600 with Tobin last Wednesday. Others in the local media have too. 0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:57.120 The Bengals are considering making their player Personnel director available 0:30:57.560 --> 0:31:01.800 to questions this week. The club typically does not make 0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:04.480 Tobin or anyone in the front office available for interviews 0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:08.720 during the season, but Jason concluded things have haven't been 0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:11.520 this bad for the club in several years, and fans 0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:14.600 need to hear from Tobin. The strong locker room culture 0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:17.880 that Taylor has built is fracturing. The Bengals have a 0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:20.280 playoff caliber offense on one hand, but on the other 0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:22.320 they have the worst defense in the NFL by far. 0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:26.640 Let's hope, he writes, Tobin provides answers for the fans. 0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:29.880 It's the bye week, no better time to hear from 0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:35.600 the roster architect. Surely Tobin and ownership are disgusted and embarrassed. 0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:41.560 The fans demand accountability from the organization asap. I just 0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:46.240 watched during the break the press conference the media session 0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:49.840 that Eagles GM Howie Roseman held with the media this afternoon, 0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:52.640 and he explained why they did what they did today, 0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:56.920 and he talked about their vision and their philosophy and 0:31:57.000 --> 0:32:00.680 their goals. And I saw that in a quote offered 0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:04.640 up by Chris Ballard, the Colts general manager today, It 0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:10.840 just again, I maybe fascinating is the wrong word. Maybe 0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:14.960 it's infuriating. I just find it fascinating that Zach has 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:21.320 to answer for everything that happens in this organization. He's 0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:25.920 just the coach. Are now Carrier Sports Talk presented by 0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:42.080 Kelsey Chevallet seven hund WLW. 0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:57.680 The following takes place between seven pm and eight pm. 0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:01.040 All right, let's keep rolling already, our numbnumber two unfolding 0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:03.440 a total of three. I'm glad you were here. Thank you. 0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:05.640 A little bit later on say bottom they are. Let's 0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:09.440 talk a little Bob Trump, remember the Bengal legend and 0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:11.920 the broadcasting legend, and share some stories. You're going to 0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:14.640 hear some stories he told me over the years that 0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:17.720 coming up at seven point thirty. I very much look 0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:20.520 forward to your input on that. In fact, after an 0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:22.680 hour of talking to Bengals and James R. Peene and 0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:25.360 you heard from James and from me, and from Zach 0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:28.240 Taylor and from Logan Wilson, I would love to hear 0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:31.440 from you now on the trade deadline and where things 0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:34.880 are at this moment in your mind. At five one, three, seven, four, nine, 0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:37.920 seven thousand and one, eight hundred, the Big One jump 0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:41.520 into this. Let's talk some Bengals. To kick off this hour, 0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:43.880 I mentioned the number of gms around the NFL today 0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:46.880 who made trades who publicly then commented on those trades. 0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:50.160 Chris Ballard, general manager of the Colts. They swing the 0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:54.080 big deal, they bring in Sauce Gardner handing to lou Anroumo. 0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:57.040 Chris Ballard, the general manager of the Colts, said quote, 0:33:57.200 --> 0:33:59.960 having the opportunity to acquire a talented player like saw 0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:02.680 Us Gardner was one we did not want to pass on. 0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:05.200 He was a player that we scouted heavily coming out 0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:07.320 of college and there's a reason he was the fourth 0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:11.160 overall pick. Sauce is a proven cornerback. His skill and 0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:14.680 competitive nature will elevate everyone's play on the defensive unit. 0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:19.200 We are thrilled he is a cult The general manager 0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:22.440 of the Colts, Chris Ballard, explaining to his fans today 0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:24.920 what they are doing, why they are doing it, and 0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:28.719 what their plans are now. Interesting and of note, I 0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:32.880 am not a frequent viewer of the Pro Football Talk 0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:38.399 Live show. That is Mike Florio and Chris Simms. Listen 0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:43.200 to what Mike Florio dropped about the Bengals organization and 0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:44.200 Duke Tobin. 0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:44.440 Here. 0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:47.200 It is jobs are on the line, you said earlier. 0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:50.680 They're constantly evaluating everyone. Players who will be back or 0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:52.799 not be back, coaches who will be back or not 0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:55.600 be back. There's this bubbling up now. The Duke Tobin, 0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:58.439 the de facto GM, is going to be out. We'll 0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:01.359 see maybe during the bye week, maybe sooner. But heads 0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:04.000 are going to roll in Cincinnati. This is unacceptable because 0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:05.680 it's largely unprecedented. 0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:08.920 How bad this defense is. I believe that when I 0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:12.680 see it, I don't. I wouldn't trust Mike Florio. Further, 0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:15.400 I could throw him. I'd almost be in a position 0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:18.120 to say if Duke Tobin were to be out this week, 0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:20.840 if that were to happen, I would ride a tricycle 0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:23.680 around Fountain Square and address And I've already done that 0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:26.640 once in my life. So I'm not daring that to happen. 0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:29.319 I just I don't believe that's the case. I don't 0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:31.640 believe heads are going to roll. I don't believe it's 0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:39.279 unacceptable until shown otherwise. Zach was asked yesterday about potential 0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:42.279 changes to the coaching staff. Take a listen to what 0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:44.200 Bengals head coach Zach Taylor said. 0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:48.800 Did you consider any staff changes over the past four hours? 0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:50.520 What gives you the belief that. 0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:52.240 These these are good football coaches. 0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:55.839 They've been successful everywhere they've been and so again, we're 0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:57.400 still in the first half of the season. 0:35:57.719 --> 0:35:58.759 We all know we got to play better. 0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:01.640 As a football team has been challenges or offenses faced. 0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:04.240 Of course the season, we worked through them. We're playing 0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:07.080 better for it. There's challenges are defense they're facing right now. 0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:08.879 I'm confident that we're going to work through it. We're 0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:10.640 gonna play better football and find a way to win 0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:11.120 some games. 0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:13.359 Can you clarify you don't plan to make any step 0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:14.759 change on the defensive side of the ball. 0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:14.920 No. 0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:18.000 I believe in these guys absolutely, Zach Taylor. 0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:21.960 Yesterday at his weekly Monday gathering with the media, he 0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:25.200 was asked by I think our guy Trags joins this 0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:28.600 Thursday night, six twenty on the Roundtable Show with Rocky 0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:32.640 this week at the Hebrew Location where that will be 0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:35.840 the second of a five week run at the Hebrew location. 0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:38.080 Stop buying hang out with us on Thursday night from 0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:39.920 six to eight o'clock. But I believe it was Trags. 0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:43.040 You'll hear the question who asked what Zach would say 0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:50.200 to two outsiders, two fans who wonder why change isn't coming. 0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:51.040 Here's Zach. 0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:53.480 From the outside. 0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:56.440 Zach, A lot of people wonder why losing five of 0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:59.399 six the way the last two games have ended, why 0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:03.799 don't you make changes? Is their status quo acceptable? And 0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:07.480 people wonder on the outside, why do you feel that 0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:09.880 you do have the solutions in the building and not 0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:10.800 make any change. 0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:11.720 Why is that. 0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:14.600 Because I've been through this situation before. We've been through 0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:17.240 this situation many years and come out the other side 0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:21.520 playing for championships when in divisions, by sticking with what 0:37:21.560 --> 0:37:24.960 we believe in and not doing what everybody wants you 0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:27.480 to do. By sticking with it, I'm thankful that in 0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:28.920 twenty twenty they didn't kick me out of here, so 0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:30.480 we really to go to the super Bowl the next year. 0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:33.680 And so again, I believe in the people that we've hired. 0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:36.160 I sit in there, I watch these guys coach. I 0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:38.200 know what they're made of. I know where we can 0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:40.720 continue to grow. And so when you believe in people, 0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:44.320 you don't just make a gut reaction from what people 0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:46.360 want to see that aren't necessarily a part of it. 0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:47.400 I understand the frustration. 0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:47.799 I get it. 0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:49.479 I'd be frustrated to if I was outside of the building. 0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:51.040 We're going to get it fixed, We're going to continue 0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:52.759 to work it. I trust every coach we got in 0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:54.400 this building to get it done, or else they wouldn't 0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:56.320 be here, we wouldn't hire them in the first place, 0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:58.640 and so again I got firm belief that we can 0:37:58.680 --> 0:38:00.400 get this done and we can do with the we 0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:02.160 have and find a way to get some wins. And 0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:03.960 again we just there's some things we got to clean up, 0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:05.640 we got to do better. There's a coaching side of 0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:07.640 that too, where we got to find ways to push 0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:09.400 the right buttons for these guys to get them exactly 0:38:09.400 --> 0:38:09.640 to do. 0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:11.279 It how we want to do it. But I trust 0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:12.160 that we can get that done. 0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:18.480 Zach Taylor yesterday in meeting with the media, let me 0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:24.960 give you one more from Zach, and he was asked 0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:29.200 if and I think this was memory serves. I think 0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:32.640 this may have been trags again if this group of 0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:40.080 young players, specifically more specifically defensive young players, if they 0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:45.080 have a grasp of this situation where this season is 0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:50.359 right now, and an appreciation for the state of this 0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:56.080 team right now. Here's what Zach said, Do you think. 0:38:55.880 --> 0:39:00.480 The young players feel the way the significance of season 0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:01.400 slumping away and we. 0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:04.120 Came Well, we've talked about it, We've talked about this. 0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:05.960 This can't be a last season for us. This has 0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:07.000 got to be We got to come out of this 0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:08.720 by rejuvenated and find. 0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:09.040 A way to win. 0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:12.200 And winning one game certainly propels you, and you've got 0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:13.800 to build some momentum off of that. We had a 0:39:13.880 --> 0:39:16.320 chance after the Pittsburgh game and kind of waste the 0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:18.920 two opportunities there, and how much different things could have 0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:20.680 been if we had finished these two games out. We'd 0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:22.960 still have issues we have to address, but we'd be 0:39:23.000 --> 0:39:24.600 in a better position, and so we just got to 0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:27.080 find a way to kickstart that and build our own 0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:29.680 momentimum there. So we got players young and old that 0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:32.719 are accountable. They all want to do well. They're all 0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:34.360 again I say this a lot, they're all made of 0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:36.120 the right stuff. We have a good locker room. I 0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:39.799 know yesterday is frustrating, emotional after a game like that, 0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:42.239 that's not to be unexpected. But we'll just continue to 0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:43.280 get back to work and keep grinding. 0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:48.279 Zach Taylor yesterday. This from Todd Archer of ESPO, who 0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:51.640 covers the Dallas Cowboys logan Wilson's new team. Todd used 0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:54.799 to work here as well in the city. I was 0:39:54.920 --> 0:39:58.080 the inquirer or the post. I can't remember. It's been 0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:01.680 so long, Todd Archer, tweeting the following Bengals coach Zach 0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:04.520 Taylor informed Logan Wilson to the trade this morning. He 0:40:04.600 --> 0:40:09.600 went to the team facility immediately Logan Wilson did. Logan says, quote, 0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:11.759 I went in and said my goodbyes to all the 0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:15.399 people that poured into me and that I helped pour 0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:18.319 into them. So it was a tough goodbye, but it 0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:23.319 was a time for a fresh start. Logan Wilson. Earlier 0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:26.400 this morning, let's grab some calls, get you into this 0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:31.239 conversation in Cincinnati. Charlie, you were on seven hundred WLW welcome. 0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:36.360 Lam spend, appreciate it. Hey, I'm just have two points. 0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:40.759 The first point with Duke Tobin. You know I can't 0:40:40.760 --> 0:40:43.920 get into too much, but Duke Tobin is a figurehead 0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:48.160 for this team. He is a buffer from the ownership. 0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:51.400 They are the ones who make the decisions of the personnel. 0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:55.160 They negotiate all the contracts. Duke Tobin is not making 0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:58.200 the day to day decisions on personnel. That's why you 0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:00.839 don't hear from him there. He'd be not be able 0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:02.200 to provide any color. 0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:02.959 Or anything like that. 0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:05.080 I would encourage you guys in the immediate to ask 0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:07.919 more about the structure of the organization. 0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:10.080 But who would who would those questions be asked too? 0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:11.920 They don't make themselves available. 0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:16.319 No, I agree, I just I think Duke Tobin's taking 0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:19.600 the brunt of the most of the points, and this 0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:23.319 fault on Katie Blackburn and Mike Brown. My second point 0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:25.760 to all this is, if you go back to twenty eighteen, 0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:30.439 we have hit on like foundational pieces exactly three draft 0:41:30.520 --> 0:41:36.120 picks Jamar, Chase, Burrow, and Higgins. Outside of that on 0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:39.400 a foundational level, name another draft pick that we've hit 0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:40.720 on since twenty eighteen. 0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:45.040 Would that's a great point. I'd say Chase Brown to 0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:48.680 be fair. But to your bigger point, my daughter, my 0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:51.640 twenty three year old daughter, could have drafted Joe Burrow, 0:41:51.840 --> 0:41:54.880 Chase Brown, and T. Higgins or right, Jamar, Chase and 0:41:54.920 --> 0:41:55.600 T Higgins. 0:41:57.200 --> 0:42:00.880 I don't disagree. They can't miss prospect and you know 0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:04.600 Jaith Brown, yes, but in terms of foundational pieces, a 0:42:04.680 --> 0:42:08.719 left tackle or a defensive lineman. You know, our first 0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:11.560 round draft pick this year has I mean, you can't 0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:13.520 even find him on the field half the time. And 0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:17.440 I would just encourage people to this is an ownership problem. 0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:21.000 This is Katie Blackburn, This is Mike Brown. You know 0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:24.720 they have a much bigger say, well, but I don't Charlie. 0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:27.279 But Charlie, I guess i'd ask, why would you be 0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:29.719 letting Duke Tobin off the hook? Nobody should be off 0:42:29.719 --> 0:42:32.200 the hook above the head coach. They should all be 0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:34.799 on the hook. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna less 0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:39.080 It shouldn't be lessened for Duke. There is no accountability 0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:42.359 that goes up in the organization. It's only used by 0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:45.840 the head coach and it's applied down to his players. 0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:47.239 Oh. 0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:49.120 I don't disagree, I'm just saying. 0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:52.239 My point being is Duke Tobin is not the one 0:42:52.280 --> 0:42:55.880 making the personnel decision this we need as a city. 0:42:56.000 --> 0:42:59.799 It's on Mike Brown, It's on Katie Blackburn, and Duke 0:42:59.840 --> 0:43:02.120 to been simply a buffer in there to make it 0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:04.719 look like we have a GM. You know, like take 0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:06.680 the Reds for example. You know they've have their ups 0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:08.759 and downs, but you've got to give them credit. They're 0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:10.239 trying to win. They have peace, you. 0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:11.560 Know, the personal place. 0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:13.920 But in terms of you know, the pieces, you look 0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:17.640 at every single Major League or every single NFL TA 0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:21.359 you have a practice facility. He even FC Cincinnati has 0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:24.560 a practice facility. Cincinnati is the only one that doesn't 0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:27.560 have a separate practice facility. They don't invest in the team. 0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:29.840 That's why we can't it free agents here. You know 0:43:29.880 --> 0:43:32.880 this sounds ancillary, but even you know in terms of 0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:36.160 like dining for the players, it's clearly every year it's 0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:38.080 one of the worst rated in f Why would you 0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:41.080 not want your players to have the best possible nutrition. 0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:44.239 They don't invest in the team, and then they come 0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:45.080 to the county and. 0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:46.120 Ask for four hundred million. 0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:49.839 As all these other places, whether it's Nashville or Cleveland 0:43:50.120 --> 0:43:53.759 or Buffalo, they're building these stadiums on their own, on 0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:56.920 their own dime for the most part, and ours is 0:43:56.920 --> 0:44:00.279 looking for a renovation because they're just cheap and didn't 0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:02.239 want to spend money. And whether they win or not, 0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:04.080 did get that NFL revenue share. 0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:07.239 Charlie, I got to run. I got to run. I 0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:09.439 appreciate your point in your spraying to all fields now 0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:13.759 and opening up a whole conversation for a a a 0:44:13.920 --> 0:44:18.160 whole year of conversation on a variety of things. I 0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:20.640 will say this. You mentioned the Reds. That's the same 0:44:20.719 --> 0:44:24.440 organization who's president of Baseball operations told Mark Sheldon and 0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:27.880 the media today that quote, our twenty twenty six payroll 0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:30.000 will be around the same as our payroll from twenty 0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:35.879 twenty five. End quote seven twenty RNL Carrier Sports Talk 0:44:35.880 --> 0:44:45.719 presented by Kelsey Chevalet. Seven hundred WLW seven five seven 0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:49.640 hundred WLW RNL Carrier Sports Dock presented by Kelsey Chevallet. 0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:52.919 I've got a blog. It's seven hundred WLW dot com, 0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:56.120 the one hundred and forty second edition of My Random Thoughts, 0:44:56.120 --> 0:45:00.080 posted on Friday night. If Facebook is your thing, I'm there. 0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:03.200 Join us. We're talking Bengals, also talking about the Red's 0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:06.800 news of the day Facebook pages. Lance McAllister Sports Talk 0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:12.600 jump in on either front. We'll talk talk to godfather 0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:14.800 of sports talk, Bob Trumpy coming up out of news. 0:45:14.840 --> 0:45:19.279 I'd be interested in hearing your stories and recollections of 0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:23.640 his impact, either as a Bengal and or as a broadcaster. 0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:26.120 We'll do that. Coming up after the bottom of the 0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:32.080 hour news in Lexington, Let's talk Bengals in the trade deadline. Joe, 0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:32.960 what do you know? 0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:37.680 Hey, Lance, thanks for having me on, but what's on 0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:41.359 your mind? Well, you know, I love the term I 0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:43.600 can show you better than I can tell you. And 0:45:45.200 --> 0:45:51.480 I would show Duke Tobin Blackburn and my Brown family 0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:54.960 the anguish and the parody of the Commons fan is 0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:58.879 next time Cincinnati has a home game, the seats would 0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:02.560 be empty. And uh the reason I say that is, 0:46:02.760 --> 0:46:08.439 uh uh, the fans are the ones really losing. I mean, sure, 0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:12.800 the players hurt, and I get that, but they're millionaires. Okay, 0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:14.319 they're They're going to go on about their day and 0:46:14.360 --> 0:46:18.120 I know they want to win, but the front office 0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:21.799 has to go And to me, as a fan, my 0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:26.640 input Mike Brown, please sell the team because it to 0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:30.480 have the offense they have now and and to let 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:34.800 Logan Wilson walk and and maybe that's a reflection of 0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:37.800 the problems they had with Stewart and all the hype 0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:41.680 and all the conversation with him and and all the 0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:46.360 things said during the off season with Trey it's it's 0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:51.000 just toxic. And uh, it's it's for the common fan. 0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:54.239 My heart really goes out. You know, I do well, 0:46:54.360 --> 0:46:57.120 but there's a lot of fans that that don't. There's 0:46:57.160 --> 0:47:01.280 a lot of fans that that just you know, barely 0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:04.080 make it a third. 0:47:02.800 --> 0:47:05.480 Had sure, but but Joe. Also, what you're asking is 0:47:05.520 --> 0:47:08.279 for them, those individuals who spent their harder money on 0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:11.600 tickets to not go. What I mean, what that seems counterproductive. 0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:14.080 You've already got the tickets. Why would you not use them? 0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:14.960 Oh? 0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:18.840 Well, well I get that a typeset. Yeah, you know, 0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:22.160 I'm not what I'm what I'm saying is is they 0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:25.439 I don't really see them actually caring about the fan 0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:29.239 base because if they did, they would have somebody that 0:47:29.320 --> 0:47:33.239 could draft talent. They could have somebody that that would 0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:36.200 really get impact players. And they fail to do so. 0:47:36.560 --> 0:47:38.799 And it's not just one year, it's a year after year. 0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:41.560 I'm sure they you know, blind squirrel can finding the 0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:46.080 corn once in a while. I get that. And you know, 0:47:46.239 --> 0:47:50.160 I mean Zach Tiller, you know, I think he's a 0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:53.520 great coach. But the Logan Wilson thing and and the 0:47:53.560 --> 0:47:57.000 fact that they don't they're not aggressive like in the draft, 0:47:57.280 --> 0:48:00.200 like trading up and maybe getting that defensive player or 0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:03.360 like Rokwan Smith the Baltimore God, do we even go 0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:04.960 after players in the trade. 0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:06.520 We didn't this year. 0:48:06.960 --> 0:48:08.600 I mean, so what are the Bengals, what are they 0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:11.520 saying that what they're cutting their losses and they're forgetting 0:48:11.520 --> 0:48:15.120 about this year. And you know, I don't know. And 0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:19.239 let me ask you this, did Mike Jesse Bates? Was 0:48:19.280 --> 0:48:21.560 it because I don't know? Was it the fact that 0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:25.200 Mike Brown they didn't have the money? 0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:27.919 Oh no, no, no, no no, they they always have the money. 0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:30.440 They have money now. They just didn't consider it. They 0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:33.480 didn't consider it value for a safety and thought they 0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:40.560 could survive without it. They're still searching for safeties back there. Yeah, Joe, 0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:43.800 I hear you feel. I feel your frustration. It comes 0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:46.960 through loud and claied. I appreciate you. Check it in tonight. Yes, 0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:48.600 all right, right, all right, thank you. 0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:48.759 You know. 0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:51.560 I go back and I'm looking at this this column 0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:55.520 by Jason Williams again, and I just that this line 0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:58.759 is such a wonderful line, and I can't imagine it 0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:02.080 being uttered in like and I love the city I'm 0:49:02.080 --> 0:49:03.480 in and I don't want to live in New York 0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:05.840 and or Boston or Philadelphia or a place like that. 0:49:06.040 --> 0:49:09.040 But can you imagine this line in like Boston or 0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:13.279 New York or Philadelphia when it's this he says. I 0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:16.600 requested an interview with Tobin last week. Others in the 0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:20.399 local media have too. The Bengals are considering making their 0:49:20.400 --> 0:49:24.359 player personnel director available to answer questions this week. Can 0:49:25.080 --> 0:49:29.319 you imagine NFL teams in no Cities saying, you know, 0:49:29.920 --> 0:49:36.759 we are considering having our player personnel director answer questions 0:49:36.920 --> 0:49:39.960 about the state of the team. We might or might 0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:41.000 not get back to you on that. 0:49:42.360 --> 0:49:44.239 You just can't make that stuff. 0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:47.000 Up, Doc Bob Trumping next to Arneld Terrier Sports Talk 0:49:47.040 --> 0:50:00.799 presented by Kelsey Chevale. Seven hundred WLW Hey Rolling until 0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:03.560 nine tonight with rn L Carrier Sports Talk presented by 0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:06.960 Kelsey Chevrolet. It's Tuesday night. That must mean the nightcap 0:50:06.960 --> 0:50:10.320 with Gary Jeff Walker. I do believe I wanted to 0:50:10.360 --> 0:50:15.200 spend some time on Bob Trumpy and welcome you into 0:50:17.400 --> 0:50:21.480 the conversation and stories. And I spent a couple of 0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:23.920 segments last night on Bengals Lin with Dave Lapham. We 0:50:23.960 --> 0:50:28.000 remembered Trump, and that was on ESPN fifteen thirty, and 0:50:28.040 --> 0:50:30.840 it was in the eight o'clock hour, because we started 0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:33.640 on both seven hundred and ESPN fifteen thirty then broke 0:50:33.640 --> 0:50:37.040 away for UC basketball here, So only if you were 0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:39.879 listening on ESPN fifteen thirty and in the eight o'clock hour. 0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:42.719 Did you hear us talk about Trumpy last night? Pat 0:50:42.719 --> 0:50:44.560 Brennan of The Inquirer called me last night for a 0:50:44.560 --> 0:50:47.840 story he's doing on Trumpy. Sterling called me and I 0:50:47.880 --> 0:50:49.920 was on with him last night. I'm going to be 0:50:49.920 --> 0:50:53.120 on tomorrow morning from Springfield, Illinois with my guy Darren 0:50:53.120 --> 0:50:57.880 Pritchard of sports Radio fourteen fifty in Springfield, where Trump 0:50:57.960 --> 0:51:00.719 is from and where his family is is revered. And 0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:03.239 Darren said, I'd love to get you on and talk 0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:05.919 about Trump because he is such a beloved figure here 0:51:05.920 --> 0:51:11.160 in his family. And I said absolutely, and I kind 0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:14.319 of like I thought about holding this off until eight, 0:51:14.960 --> 0:51:16.920 and then I was weighing, do I really want to 0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:19.239 talk more Bengals for another half hour? Do I want 0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:21.000 to get into Trumpy now at the midway part of 0:51:21.000 --> 0:51:24.759 the show and allow you some storytelling time? And let's 0:51:24.840 --> 0:51:28.640 do it now, And the phones are open at five one, three, seven, 0:51:28.680 --> 0:51:31.960 four nine seven one eight hundred. The Big One I 0:51:32.400 --> 0:51:35.480 wrote about this, I tweeted this out, had posted it 0:51:35.520 --> 0:51:38.480 at seven hundred WLW dot com and on my Facebook page. 0:51:38.880 --> 0:51:44.440 I'll I'll give you my biggest takeaways and moments and 0:51:44.480 --> 0:51:47.399 memories with Bob Trumpy and they go back as as 0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:51.640 a kid at Wilmington College in training camp and I 0:51:51.640 --> 0:51:54.560 would have been ten eleven years old standing along the 0:51:54.640 --> 0:51:58.040 ropes of Bengals training camp and I got Bob Trumpy's autograph. 0:51:58.040 --> 0:52:01.880 I still have it. I collect did Bob Trumpy's football cards? 0:52:01.920 --> 0:52:07.080 Still have them? And when he made the move and 0:52:07.200 --> 0:52:10.640 transitioned from player to broadcaster, and he actually made it 0:52:10.680 --> 0:52:16.040 while he was playing, he became must listen to radio 0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:20.239 for me and for fans of Cincinnati. And if you 0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:26.759 wanted to know what was going on and what he 0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:30.480 thought about it and what you should think about it, 0:52:31.360 --> 0:52:34.239 you tuned into sports talk at six o'clock here with 0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:38.160 Bob Trumpy in a day and age where there were 0:52:38.280 --> 0:52:42.839 very limited platforms broadcast platforms that were not podcast. It 0:52:42.920 --> 0:52:45.640 wasn't oh I missed Trump, I'll catch it the next day. 0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:51.080 It was you found your radio at six o'clock because 0:52:51.120 --> 0:52:55.840 the gospel of Trumpy was about to begin, and he 0:52:56.120 --> 0:53:02.400 had he had a voice and a presence on the 0:53:02.480 --> 0:53:09.400 radio like no one before, and no one sins. I 0:53:09.440 --> 0:53:13.320 always called him the godfather of sports talk. He created 0:53:13.360 --> 0:53:21.200 it and listening to it as a eleven twelve thirteen 0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:30.040 year old. He sounded big, and he sounded important, and 0:53:30.280 --> 0:53:35.160 he attracted big and important guest. I always laugh and 0:53:35.280 --> 0:53:37.120 marvel and you'll hear him tell this story a little 0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:39.000 bit later on and a clip by having the archives 0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:41.520 of what he had Bob Knight on and he had 0:53:41.600 --> 0:53:44.319 him for an hour one night, and Bob made the 0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:47.960 decision to cancel all the commercials. We're going to commercial 0:53:48.000 --> 0:53:53.160 free all Bob Knight for the hour. That was the 0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:58.600 power of Trumpy in multiple ways, that Bob Knight would 0:53:58.600 --> 0:54:01.800 give him an hour. Can you imagine Bob Knight giving 0:54:01.880 --> 0:54:08.880 anybody an hour, especially media, And yet he did. And 0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:12.440 can you imagine I'll tell you what. I could do 0:54:12.520 --> 0:54:14.680 an interview one night with somebody for an hour and 0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:17.759 say cancel the commercials. I would not be invited back 0:54:17.800 --> 0:54:21.759 the next day. My key card would go red. You 0:54:21.800 --> 0:54:23.839 know I always joke I work on a day to day. 0:54:23.960 --> 0:54:26.600 Does my key card turn green? I'm good to go 0:54:26.760 --> 0:54:29.279 one day, it'll turn red. If I had tried that, 0:54:29.520 --> 0:54:32.840 it would have gone red. Rest assured you did what 0:54:33.440 --> 0:54:35.880 you blew out all the commercials and kept the guests 0:54:35.880 --> 0:54:41.439 for the entire hour. Bob Trumpy had opinions. Oh did 0:54:41.480 --> 0:54:46.959 he have opinions? And he was right and you were 0:54:47.239 --> 0:54:52.080 wrong all the time. I always kind of joked it 0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:54.000 was kind of in the mold of trump I always joked, 0:54:54.120 --> 0:54:57.800 I don't say things I don't work on my show 0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:00.759 and prepare and do the research so I can say 0:55:00.800 --> 0:55:03.880 things that are wrong. And I always joked that in 0:55:04.239 --> 0:55:06.920 terms of that's something Bob Trumpet would say. He was 0:55:07.080 --> 0:55:09.560 never wrong, and it was part of the beauty of 0:55:09.600 --> 0:55:15.080 Trumpet was infuriating. Growing up. I called his show once 0:55:15.120 --> 0:55:20.080 a week. I once called him. I was probably fourteen 0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:24.400 years old. I called Sports Talk from our family vacation. 0:55:24.520 --> 0:55:27.239 We had gone to Keith Cod and I called him 0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:32.120 to talk rats. In nineteen eighty five, I would have 0:55:32.160 --> 0:55:36.439 been eighteen years old. I called him and we went 0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:42.680 round and round and round arguing about playing time for 0:55:42.920 --> 0:55:47.719 Buddy Bell over Wayne crenchike The Reds had traded for Bell. 0:55:47.960 --> 0:55:51.400 Wayne Crenchikey was having a career year. They benched cren Chickey. 0:55:51.480 --> 0:55:53.319 They started Bell, and you could look it up. Bell, 0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:55.640 I'm gonna guess for his first fifty games, hit like 0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:59.799 a buck eighty and I just lost my mind that 0:55:59.880 --> 0:56:01.560 you you could take a guy out of the lineup 0:56:01.560 --> 0:56:04.240 who was having a career year and keep playing Buddy 0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:06.839 Bell who was hitting one eighty, and we went right 0:56:06.920 --> 0:56:12.680 around and he hung up on me. And incredibly, you know, 0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:20.759 eighteen fifteen years later I was working with him. We 0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:24.200 co hosted the Friday afternoon Bengals pep Rally show. I'm 0:56:24.239 --> 0:56:26.880 gonna say from I know it had to be ninety 0:56:27.000 --> 0:56:29.319 nine because that was Achille Smith. And oh did we 0:56:29.440 --> 0:56:33.200 have some shows about Achille Smith. I remember Trumpy. One 0:56:33.239 --> 0:56:35.440 time we were talking about what was wrong with Achille 0:56:35.440 --> 0:56:40.400 Smith and Trumpy and I'm paraphrasing, declared he ran he 0:56:40.520 --> 0:56:44.839 ran twenty six plays and he messed up eighteen of them. 0:56:45.280 --> 0:56:52.759 He's an idiot, idiot, I said it there, and I'm like, 0:56:53.160 --> 0:56:56.600 but this is Bob Trumpy and we all we did 0:56:56.600 --> 0:56:57.960 those shows every Friday. 0:56:57.960 --> 0:56:59.600 And you talk about at a time where the Bengals 0:56:59.600 --> 0:57:02.600 are really, really bad, there were Fridays where we sat, 0:57:02.680 --> 0:57:04.880 we travel around to the different Buffalo Wild Wings was 0:57:04.880 --> 0:57:06.960 every Friday afternoon from three to six. This would have 0:57:07.000 --> 0:57:10.440 been this was eleven sixty Bob or thirteen sixty or 0:57:10.480 --> 0:57:12.359 whatever station it was at the time, and it would 0:57:12.360 --> 0:57:15.600 be me and trumpy, and there might be a manager, 0:57:15.800 --> 0:57:18.080 and there might be somebody a server, and somebody in 0:57:18.080 --> 0:57:20.240 the kitchen. There was like six people in the place 0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:23.760 on Fridays during real bad Bengals seasons. You could hear 0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:26.840 the dishes clanging in the background in the kitchen. It 0:57:26.880 --> 0:57:29.840 was so quiet in the place. But oh, we were 0:57:29.880 --> 0:57:36.360 talking Bengals. And the thing I always remember about working 0:57:36.400 --> 0:57:40.240 with Trump he was he would he would have a 0:57:40.280 --> 0:57:45.720 way of peering over his glasses and many times through 0:57:45.760 --> 0:57:49.760 the cloud of smoke from his chain smoking, because then 0:57:50.200 --> 0:57:52.680 back then old that he smoked cigarettes. I mean in 0:57:52.760 --> 0:57:55.120 a show, he might smoke two packs of cigarettes and 0:57:55.160 --> 0:57:58.400 a show and he would look at me down those 0:57:58.400 --> 0:58:01.520 glasses on his nose and through the smoke, and I 0:58:01.640 --> 0:58:06.080 have said something and he would say, you clearly never 0:58:06.240 --> 0:58:10.880 played the game. And that was like his go to line. 0:58:11.480 --> 0:58:14.880 And I would get in on kicks where I like, 0:58:14.880 --> 0:58:17.240 like after Sunday, I would have done this where I 0:58:17.280 --> 0:58:20.200 would have demanded the Bengals make a statement. I would 0:58:20.200 --> 0:58:22.720 have said during the show, they need to make a statement, 0:58:22.760 --> 0:58:24.960 they need to do you know, fill in the blank, 0:58:25.440 --> 0:58:31.040 and he would just laugh in that big, booming, deep voice, statement, 0:58:31.520 --> 0:58:35.800 Oh you and your statements. Ah, you want to do 0:58:36.040 --> 0:58:41.640 is make statements. And I'll never forget. One Friday snowstorm 0:58:41.720 --> 0:58:47.640 hit and I remember saying, all right, I've got to 0:58:47.720 --> 0:58:50.200 get to the show today. I'm going to I left 0:58:50.240 --> 0:58:53.200 three hours early that day to get to the show, 0:58:53.240 --> 0:58:55.760 and it was at a Buffalo Wild Wing somewhere somewhere 0:58:55.840 --> 0:58:59.960 up around this vicinity. I would think it was in Ohio. 0:59:00.000 --> 0:59:02.040 I had to cross from northern Kentucky into it was 0:59:02.160 --> 0:59:04.760 up in this part of the woods, so to speak. 0:59:05.600 --> 0:59:10.320 And I was late for the show because the traffic 0:59:10.320 --> 0:59:13.800 and the snow. I left three hours early, and I 0:59:13.920 --> 0:59:17.800 was late. And I got to tell you sitting in 0:59:17.840 --> 0:59:22.160 the car in a snowstorm and hearing that Bob Trumpy 0:59:22.200 --> 0:59:26.120 had arrived and started the show without me, And he 0:59:26.320 --> 0:59:29.320 proceeded to spend the half hour that I was late 0:59:30.200 --> 0:59:37.760 just crushing me, just at absolutely obliterating me for being late. 0:59:38.520 --> 0:59:43.880 I mean it was he just killed me. Never forget 0:59:43.880 --> 0:59:49.360 that we sparred at times. We had knockdown, drag out 0:59:49.440 --> 0:59:51.800 battles on the air. We had knocked down drag out 0:59:51.840 --> 0:59:54.960 battles off the air. We did the Roundtable show together, 0:59:55.000 --> 0:59:58.880 and I think two thousand and ten for a year. 1:00:00.880 --> 1:00:05.600 But I've always said the defining moment of our relationship 1:00:06.040 --> 1:00:10.760 came about twenty two years ago, and that's when Casey 1:00:10.960 --> 1:00:14.240 was diagnosed with leukemia. Casey was two and a half 1:00:14.240 --> 1:00:19.680 at the time, and Bob Trumpy was the first person 1:00:20.360 --> 1:00:33.480 that called me and he offered whatever we needed, however 1:00:33.520 --> 1:00:39.960 he could help, and he offered his bone marrow. He said, 1:00:39.960 --> 1:00:48.919 if you need a donor, I'm in And I will 1:00:48.920 --> 1:00:56.800 never forget that. You know, It's been sixteen years since 1:00:57.240 --> 1:01:00.000 I realized the dream of becoming the host of this show, 1:01:01.000 --> 1:01:05.120 and I have never once tried to be like him 1:01:05.480 --> 1:01:08.200 or do a show like him, because I had no shot. 1:01:09.760 --> 1:01:17.400 He is truly one of a kind, and I will 1:01:17.440 --> 1:01:20.200 say in doing this show, I've always felt an obligation 1:01:20.720 --> 1:01:25.360 to do the show justice because of what he'd built 1:01:25.680 --> 1:01:28.840 with this show. So I call him the godfather. Without him, 1:01:28.840 --> 1:01:31.200 sports Talk would have eventually arrived in this city. I 1:01:31.240 --> 1:01:34.440 remember when it became a thing on WFAN and New 1:01:34.480 --> 1:01:36.960 York twenty four hours sports Talk that was incredible. It 1:01:37.000 --> 1:01:39.880 would have eventually been here in some way, shape or form. 1:01:40.920 --> 1:01:46.040 But what Bob Trumpy created in his own vision, built 1:01:46.160 --> 1:01:55.280 and delivered if you, if you weren't around, try to 1:01:55.360 --> 1:02:02.560 understand how incredible it was. And it's why I love 1:02:02.600 --> 1:02:04.640 to play clips and interviews, and you're gonna hear him 1:02:05.000 --> 1:02:07.320 the rest of the show in parts. I like to 1:02:07.320 --> 1:02:11.000 play his interviews and clips from the archives of Sports 1:02:11.000 --> 1:02:17.200 Talk because I want listeners reminded of his greatness, or 1:02:17.320 --> 1:02:20.560 I want people to hear his greatness maybe for the 1:02:20.600 --> 1:02:27.280 first time. He was to me and always will be 1:02:28.440 --> 1:02:38.920 larger than life. I can't believe he's gone. Thoughts and 1:02:39.000 --> 1:02:42.920 prayers to his wife Pat and sons Matthew and Jason, 1:02:43.920 --> 1:02:54.920 and I'm just incredibly sad. Let's take a time out. 1:02:56.480 --> 1:02:59.240 We'll come back. I've got some things he has said, 1:02:59.280 --> 1:03:01.160 some stories he shared over the years. I'm going to 1:03:01.240 --> 1:03:02.880 let you hear. I would love to hear from you 1:03:04.360 --> 1:03:07.360 thoughts and reflections and memories of Trump as a Bengal 1:03:08.400 --> 1:03:10.840 and as the host of Sports Talk and as an 1:03:10.960 --> 1:03:15.320 NBC broadcaster ahead RNL Carr Air Sports Talk presented by 1:03:15.400 --> 1:03:21.480 Kelsey Chevale seven hundred WW close it in on eight o'clock. 1:03:21.600 --> 1:03:24.040 Man time is flying tonight news and an update on 1:03:24.480 --> 1:03:28.440 election Day coming up in a matter of minutes. Let 1:03:28.480 --> 1:03:30.680 me begin a series, Evan Man, I can't wait to 1:03:30.680 --> 1:03:32.680 hear some of these stories I see popping up online. 1:03:32.680 --> 1:03:36.640 We'll get to your calls shortly. Let's also set the scene, 1:03:36.680 --> 1:03:38.480 and this is part of a conversation I had to 1:03:38.520 --> 1:03:40.560 sit down I had with Bob I'm going to say 1:03:40.600 --> 1:03:43.840 back in maybe as far back as like twenty eighteen, 1:03:44.040 --> 1:03:47.280 asking him about the history of sports talk. Listen to 1:03:47.360 --> 1:03:51.480 him describe how sports talk the idea came about. 1:03:52.880 --> 1:03:57.440 While driving around southern California. There's a thousand radio stations 1:03:57.480 --> 1:03:59.600 out there, and I turned one on and Bill Russell, 1:04:00.400 --> 1:04:03.320 the Hall of Fame center for the Boston Celtics and 1:04:03.320 --> 1:04:06.280 out of the University of San Francisco was doing a 1:04:06.320 --> 1:04:10.840 talk show, doing a sports talk show. I got slightly hooked, 1:04:11.000 --> 1:04:13.240 not on what he was doing or what he was saying, 1:04:14.280 --> 1:04:17.720 but he was having a good time. So I talked 1:04:17.760 --> 1:04:22.200 to my wife. We're driving somewhere, and I said to her, 1:04:22.480 --> 1:04:25.880 you know I could do that. That was the moment 1:04:25.920 --> 1:04:30.160 where I thought I would at least explore the possibility 1:04:30.600 --> 1:04:34.120 of doing it here in Cincinnati. Now here's what was 1:04:34.160 --> 1:04:39.760 working against me. LA has what twenty million people a 1:04:39.760 --> 1:04:44.000 lot of sports. How do you accommodate that in Cincinnati. 1:04:44.080 --> 1:04:46.760 And then I thought, wait a minute, half of the 1:04:46.800 --> 1:04:50.840 audience is the Pacific Ocean in Los Angeles at least 1:04:50.880 --> 1:04:54.400 in Cincinnati. You come to Cincinnati in the same general 1:04:54.440 --> 1:05:02.680 area you got Columbus, Lexington, Louisville, certainly, Indianapolis, Bloomington. Wait 1:05:02.680 --> 1:05:05.440 a minute, we got a lot of sports. So that 1:05:05.680 --> 1:05:08.800 was the birth of the idea, just riding around in 1:05:09.000 --> 1:05:12.360 southern California traffic listening to Bill Russel go ahead. 1:05:12.440 --> 1:05:16.840 That idea is then presented to this station seven hunterd 1:05:16.880 --> 1:05:19.439 WLWS Charlie Murdoch and rejected. 1:05:20.240 --> 1:05:25.640 Why Well, I had been a radio salesman for this 1:05:25.840 --> 1:05:29.160 radio station in the early seventies when they were at 1:05:29.240 --> 1:05:32.880 ninth in Elm so I knew some people in this building. 1:05:33.200 --> 1:05:35.320 But this is the only radio station that I really 1:05:35.400 --> 1:05:40.640 ever listened to other than WSAI and our good buddy 1:05:40.880 --> 1:05:45.840 Jim Scott. So I presented it to Charlie Murdoch, and 1:05:47.200 --> 1:05:49.760 Charlie was one of those guys that his face was 1:05:49.760 --> 1:05:55.440 like a billboard you knew immediately yes or no. And 1:05:55.760 --> 1:05:58.480 that's what I was hoping for. That I had see 1:05:58.480 --> 1:06:01.840 in his face the excitement, and there wasn't the excitement, 1:06:02.120 --> 1:06:04.440 and he said, give me twenty four hours and I'll 1:06:04.480 --> 1:06:06.280 get a hold of you. He called me in twenty 1:06:06.320 --> 1:06:09.760 four hours and said no, I was crushed. So the 1:06:09.840 --> 1:06:12.560 only other place that had the strength that is a 1:06:12.600 --> 1:06:17.600 fifty thousand watt station was WCKY, which I had never 1:06:17.920 --> 1:06:24.400 listened to, primarily because they played Montovani, Steve Lawrence, and 1:06:24.440 --> 1:06:27.120 Igor May records. I think it's fair to say that 1:06:27.520 --> 1:06:29.880 it would be described as elevator music. 1:06:29.960 --> 1:06:32.600 And you're still playing at the time, you're still active. 1:06:32.720 --> 1:06:37.480 It was the off season after after Actually it was 1:06:37.560 --> 1:06:43.000 the off season after seventy four. By the way, I 1:06:43.080 --> 1:06:47.439 learned a couple of years later that Charlie Murdoch loved 1:06:47.480 --> 1:06:51.439 the idea, the Bengals did not, and that they made 1:06:51.480 --> 1:06:52.120 the decision. 1:06:53.480 --> 1:06:56.040 Part of a conversation I had with Bob Trumpy about 1:06:57.880 --> 1:07:00.720 seven eight years ago. Will turn into the eight o'clock hour, 1:07:00.800 --> 1:07:03.920 Grab your calls and you will hear Bob tell the 1:07:03.960 --> 1:07:09.480 story of when his broadcast career officially changed in transition 1:07:09.640 --> 1:07:14.080 from player to broadcaster when he took on the Bengals. 1:07:15.200 --> 1:07:18.000 That is next RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey 1:07:18.040 --> 1:07:19.840 Chevrolet seven hundred WLW. 1:07:30.480 --> 1:07:45.280 The following takes place between eight pm and nine pm. 1:07:45.320 --> 1:07:47.320 All right, let's finish strong, got an hour to get 1:07:47.320 --> 1:07:49.439 it done before I hand things off to Gary Jeff Walker. 1:07:49.480 --> 1:07:52.400 I'm alliance McAllister, thanks for being here. We started this 1:07:52.560 --> 1:07:54.520 at the midway point of the show, and I figured 1:07:54.560 --> 1:07:57.560 tonight would be it would be only fitting to spend 1:07:57.600 --> 1:08:00.800 some time sharing stories, swapping stories of the former Bengal 1:08:00.880 --> 1:08:05.200 legend and broadcasting pioneer Bob Trumpy after his passing over 1:08:05.240 --> 1:08:08.400 the weekend. You'll hear some more clips of stories he 1:08:08.520 --> 1:08:10.800 told me over the years throughout this hour. But I 1:08:10.840 --> 1:08:13.480 want to hear something from you as well, said to reading, 1:08:13.520 --> 1:08:15.240 Hey Dave, welcome to sports Talk. 1:08:16.960 --> 1:08:17.160 Yeah. 1:08:17.360 --> 1:08:22.280 I'm climbing up brother Scott's car Sunday morning and uh 1:08:22.680 --> 1:08:27.200 Dan Horde and uh we AFP we're talking about Trump. 1:08:27.280 --> 1:08:29.880 You in And I said, don't tell me Bob trumps 1:08:32.120 --> 1:08:36.160 and Scott said yeah. I said, wow, it's it's uh 1:08:36.680 --> 1:08:40.080 at of not going around lately. It is great one's dinalds. 1:08:40.160 --> 1:08:44.439 But I said, hopefully the Bengals can at least they 1:08:44.479 --> 1:08:46.639 win this game in his honor. And we know how 1:08:46.680 --> 1:08:51.200 that turned out that the Bacle. But yeah, it was 1:08:53.320 --> 1:08:59.840 I Uh, I remember, UH. I think first of all 1:08:59.880 --> 1:09:03.040 you saying that about you would try to be nothing 1:09:03.160 --> 1:09:06.040 like and you two showed how two different styles can 1:09:06.479 --> 1:09:13.400 work so well. And I guess I wanted to say, basically, 1:09:13.560 --> 1:09:19.720 was was I think that one story? I remember I 1:09:20.000 --> 1:09:23.080 laughed you saying how he had with anyone he first 1:09:23.120 --> 1:09:25.040 calling it, and I can think I can remember my 1:09:25.520 --> 1:09:28.439 first time I did that, and it was uh at 1:09:28.560 --> 1:09:31.439 the super Bowl. At the first super Bowl. We were 1:09:31.520 --> 1:09:35.439 at the Super Bowl and UH Trump was saying something 1:09:35.439 --> 1:09:39.800 about how Isaac Curtis UH didn't go over the middle 1:09:39.880 --> 1:09:41.600 like he should. He's I think he's afraid to go 1:09:41.640 --> 1:09:44.640 over to the middle. On that interception, Ken Harrison threw and 1:09:45.280 --> 1:09:46.920 down about the goal line and the Baneles at this 1:09:46.960 --> 1:09:50.280 ball right away, and I took an issue with that, 1:09:50.439 --> 1:09:52.799 and of course he was right, and he kept arguing 1:09:54.600 --> 1:09:56.479 and he was right and everything, and. 1:09:56.479 --> 1:09:57.599 You know what a lance. 1:09:57.680 --> 1:09:59.800 I went back and since we were at the game, 1:09:59.840 --> 1:10:02.040 I I see them. I went by watching it did 1:10:02.080 --> 1:10:04.519 look like I love eyes to death. He's one of 1:10:04.520 --> 1:10:06.360 my favorites, but that looked like he was a little 1:10:06.640 --> 1:10:09.800 hasn't it going over the middle there? But so I, 1:10:09.920 --> 1:10:12.559 you know, I figured that he was uh deadly right 1:10:13.439 --> 1:10:18.160 about that, and he was the one thing I wanted 1:10:18.200 --> 1:10:21.559 to uh say about that was my brother Ken. He's 1:10:21.600 --> 1:10:24.920 been a a football coach for fifty three years in 1:10:25.000 --> 1:10:28.759 high school and uh he actually played up in Wilmington 1:10:29.000 --> 1:10:33.680 College back then when the bands trained and and he 1:10:34.960 --> 1:10:37.439 did this. He was a tight end and he was 1:10:37.479 --> 1:10:39.200 the same kind of tight end as Trump. He was 1:10:39.240 --> 1:10:42.639 my passed catching tight ending a block too, they passed. 1:10:42.760 --> 1:10:46.080 He was a three time All conference tight end. But 1:10:46.200 --> 1:10:50.240 he Trump he left his shoulder pads behind and they 1:10:50.280 --> 1:10:52.040 gave him the can they used. 1:10:53.960 --> 1:10:54.200 Wow. 1:10:55.320 --> 1:10:58.280 Of course he's first thing. He's uh maybe one number 1:10:58.280 --> 1:11:01.040 eight seventy. I know you're wearing eighty four. You're wearing trumpies. 1:11:01.120 --> 1:11:05.720 Uh how about that? Oh that's cool, that's cool, he. 1:11:05.760 --> 1:11:08.120 Said, you're doing that. It's funny because those two are 1:11:08.680 --> 1:11:11.680 now where they like his players. They're both so the 1:11:11.720 --> 1:11:18.519 same way of uh believes this. We're always right about that, right, 1:11:19.439 --> 1:11:21.760 the really nicest guys in the world, really, but just 1:11:21.760 --> 1:11:24.760 just acting like they uh yeah, they were always right 1:11:24.840 --> 1:11:28.680 and great players. And you know, Ken, he wears he 1:11:28.720 --> 1:11:32.559 has eighty four license plates for that number and well, 1:11:32.560 --> 1:11:33.439 I wanted to say real. 1:11:33.320 --> 1:11:34.120 Quickly, real quick. 1:11:34.600 --> 1:11:37.479 Yeah, I feel a real bad because I feel bad 1:11:37.479 --> 1:11:39.240 because I wanted to vote for him last year in 1:11:39.280 --> 1:11:42.519 the Rail Honor. Well I will to wind up winning, 1:11:43.000 --> 1:11:46.639 but I feel bad. Next year, I define I definitely 1:11:46.640 --> 1:11:48.439 going to vote for him. And I just think they 1:11:48.479 --> 1:11:51.240 should put them all those guys in right now and 1:11:51.320 --> 1:11:53.840 start freshing the guys who were on them on there 1:11:53.880 --> 1:11:54.360 for a while. 1:11:55.400 --> 1:11:58.000 A Hey, Dave, I got to run. Thanks Buddy good 1:11:58.080 --> 1:12:01.120 hearing from me. I've said from the start they need 1:12:01.120 --> 1:12:03.360 a catch up class for the Ring of Honor. They're 1:12:03.400 --> 1:12:08.240 never going to catch up. And sadly, Bob Trump he's 1:12:08.240 --> 1:12:10.799 not in the Ring of Honor and he's now passed, 1:12:10.800 --> 1:12:14.160 and it's just it's it's just it's not right. Newport 1:12:14.200 --> 1:12:16.280 we go, don You're on seven hundred w L W. 1:12:17.880 --> 1:12:18.240 Hey Lan. 1:12:18.400 --> 1:12:22.120 Yeah, this goes back about seven years now. So I 1:12:22.240 --> 1:12:25.920 was a jeweler for thirty six years and one day 1:12:26.040 --> 1:12:29.799 Bob walks in with this watch battery to be changed. 1:12:29.880 --> 1:12:33.920 So come room and start tell yeah, it takes about 1:12:33.920 --> 1:12:35.599 ten minutes or so to change the battery. So well, 1:12:36.160 --> 1:12:38.320 don't you have that Bengals Edition Rolex, you know you 1:12:38.320 --> 1:12:42.000 don't need a battery for that. And he says, I'd 1:12:42.000 --> 1:12:44.280 be lucky to get a cracker Jack watch from that. 1:12:46.200 --> 1:12:48.639 He said, yeah, you know how he used to say, yeah, right. 1:12:49.120 --> 1:12:53.200 Yes, yes, yes, absolutely, So that's. 1:12:52.960 --> 1:12:53.880 So that's what he said. 1:12:54.439 --> 1:12:57.240 The one thing led to another. And I had a 1:12:58.080 --> 1:13:00.240 had a condition. I know you do too. I don't 1:13:00.240 --> 1:13:01.680 know if it's the exact same thing, but I had 1:13:01.680 --> 1:13:07.000 the exact same condition as Sam wise cardiomyopathy. Wow, and 1:13:07.120 --> 1:13:11.400 it's uh I had for about fifteen years. It's anybody 1:13:11.439 --> 1:13:13.880 they had heart issues knows that. It's all about that 1:13:14.000 --> 1:13:18.120 jaction fraction. Okay, that that number, and that number for 1:13:18.240 --> 1:13:21.479 me had gotten down to about ten to fifteen percent 1:13:21.600 --> 1:13:26.080 when I saw him. And I'd been fighting the transplant 1:13:26.320 --> 1:13:30.160 word for petrified of it for a long time, and 1:13:30.280 --> 1:13:32.920 I just couldn't wrap my mind around it. I kept 1:13:32.920 --> 1:13:36.360 trying to stem cell you name it. I was there 1:13:36.360 --> 1:13:39.280 trying to get it done, and you know, in the end, 1:13:39.600 --> 1:13:41.559 it just can't fight it when it gets to that. 1:13:41.600 --> 1:13:43.960 But same thing as Sam. So he says to me, 1:13:44.160 --> 1:13:47.840 right there, Hey, what's your number? But what are you 1:13:47.880 --> 1:13:48.240 doing here? 1:13:48.280 --> 1:13:48.720 First of all? 1:13:48.720 --> 1:13:50.679 And I saw I'm working. I mean, I just got it, 1:13:50.760 --> 1:13:53.040 so gonna work. Finally goes no, no, you've got to 1:13:53.080 --> 1:13:55.599 get this done. So, as you know, you don't argue 1:13:55.600 --> 1:14:01.120 with Bob right when you're looking at it. So the 1:14:01.240 --> 1:14:05.000 very next day, Sam wife calls me, wow, wow, and 1:14:05.080 --> 1:14:08.400 I thought, that's really that's amazing. And I'm telling you 1:14:08.439 --> 1:14:12.040 that conversation will offer about thirty minutes. And he changed 1:14:12.040 --> 1:14:17.360 my mind. And six years later I received my Christmas 1:14:17.439 --> 1:14:18.600 Day of all days. 1:14:18.880 --> 1:14:21.759 Nineteen What a story. Oh I got chills. 1:14:22.040 --> 1:14:25.040 Yeah, No, he was and he and that wasn't the 1:14:25.040 --> 1:14:28.200 first time I talked to him. And uh, but Bob, 1:14:28.280 --> 1:14:31.439 I mean, you know, that's part of them. I think 1:14:31.439 --> 1:14:33.000 a lot of people thought he was a hard ass 1:14:33.000 --> 1:14:36.240 and stubborn and just really you know, it was a 1:14:36.320 --> 1:14:38.280 no at all. Yeah, they didn't really see the. 1:14:38.360 --> 1:14:41.599 Side exactly exactly right, very caring. 1:14:41.640 --> 1:14:44.240 So that anyway, that's a that's a feel good story 1:14:44.280 --> 1:14:45.160 about about John. 1:14:45.320 --> 1:14:47.360 That's great to hear. I'm glad you shared it. Thanks 1:14:47.360 --> 1:14:47.960 for checking in. 1:14:48.960 --> 1:14:49.559 Yep, thank you. 1:14:49.600 --> 1:14:51.920 All right, we'll continue. I've got another story you'll hear. 1:14:52.400 --> 1:14:54.559 Bob tell a story about going toe to toe with 1:14:54.600 --> 1:14:58.760 the organization after he had retired that next plus more 1:14:58.800 --> 1:15:01.479 of your calls. RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey 1:15:01.600 --> 1:15:09.240 Chevrolet seven hundred WLW A twenty two seven hundred WLW 1:15:09.600 --> 1:15:12.360 R and L Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. 1:15:12.360 --> 1:15:15.120 I'm Lance McAllister. Thanks for tagging along time. Thanks for 1:15:15.160 --> 1:15:18.400 sharing the stories, the memories of Bob Trump you passed 1:15:18.400 --> 1:15:21.080 over the weekend. This is this is one of the 1:15:21.080 --> 1:15:23.479 more amazing stories he told me over the years. This 1:15:23.720 --> 1:15:27.840 is when he knew he had officially transitioned from a 1:15:28.080 --> 1:15:33.519 player Bengals player to a broadcaster at the defining moment, 1:15:33.680 --> 1:15:36.320 and what it did to his relationship with the organization. 1:15:36.880 --> 1:15:40.639 This story, he told me, was about seven years ago. 1:15:40.880 --> 1:15:44.000 It happened back in nineteen seventy eight when the Bengals 1:15:44.080 --> 1:15:48.520 fired Tiger Johnson. Listen to Bob's account of what transpired 1:15:48.560 --> 1:15:49.640 and how he reacted. 1:15:53.560 --> 1:15:57.040 I was sitting at a sponsor Barleick Horns with a 1:15:57.040 --> 1:15:59.320 bunch of salespeople and it comes on the air that 1:16:00.200 --> 1:16:03.960 Johnson has just been fired. I was, to say the 1:16:04.000 --> 1:16:10.400 least upset. Two reasons. One, Tiger was, along with Bill Walsh, 1:16:10.479 --> 1:16:13.960 the two greatest influences on my professional career at Walsh 1:16:14.760 --> 1:16:19.439 kept selling me and Tiger used me properly. I was 1:16:19.479 --> 1:16:22.160 not a big tight end. I was a quick tight end, 1:16:22.160 --> 1:16:25.320 a fast tight end. I could trick him. I wasn't 1:16:25.320 --> 1:16:27.960 going to blow somebody off the line of scrimmage. Tiger 1:16:28.040 --> 1:16:32.040 helped me with that. I was not happy. The other 1:16:32.120 --> 1:16:36.200 factor was I was a teammate of that. All those 1:16:36.240 --> 1:16:40.600 guys down there the year before, I had contacts. The 1:16:40.680 --> 1:16:43.519 contacts had been telling me some things. I knew some 1:16:43.600 --> 1:16:48.680 things that Tiger Johnson did not take criticism or questioning 1:16:48.840 --> 1:16:54.840 or anything from anybody, including Paul Well. And there had 1:16:54.880 --> 1:16:58.000 been some blow ups down there, and I was aware 1:16:58.000 --> 1:17:00.400 of them. So I went back to the radio station 1:17:00.720 --> 1:17:04.439 and I'd never really written an editorial or anything like that, 1:17:05.240 --> 1:17:09.360 and I wrote this two page editorial about what I thought, 1:17:09.400 --> 1:17:13.840 I knew, what I knew, and how terrible this was 1:17:14.640 --> 1:17:18.840 to disrupt this football team with this firing. So I 1:17:20.640 --> 1:17:24.639 that was the first quandary in my broadcast career. If 1:17:24.680 --> 1:17:27.800 I do this as a former player. I mean, I 1:17:27.840 --> 1:17:30.240 got to check from these people about eight months ago. 1:17:31.080 --> 1:17:31.960 What's going to happen? 1:17:32.200 --> 1:17:32.439 Geez? 1:17:32.520 --> 1:17:35.400 What should I have? Shouldn't I? So I went into 1:17:35.400 --> 1:17:39.040 Phil McDonald, who was the general manager, and I said, 1:17:39.760 --> 1:17:42.479 I'm stuck. He said, how can I help? And I said, 1:17:42.640 --> 1:17:45.200 I just wrote this and this is my initial reaction 1:17:45.760 --> 1:17:49.479 to the firing of Bill Johnson. And he said, mind 1:17:49.520 --> 1:17:52.800 if I read it? Said no, absolutely, That's why I'm 1:17:52.840 --> 1:17:55.719 in the air fort. So he read it and he said, 1:17:55.920 --> 1:18:00.479 what's your plan? And I said, well, I'm not sure, 1:18:01.439 --> 1:18:03.880 but I didn't write that to throw it away. I 1:18:04.280 --> 1:18:07.920 write that. I wrote that to announce to Cincinnati what 1:18:08.280 --> 1:18:11.559 the hell is going on here? And he said, well, 1:18:12.200 --> 1:18:15.200 you got to decide. Are you an next Cincinnati Bengal 1:18:15.320 --> 1:18:18.240 or a broadcaster. Makes your choice, I'll stand behind you 1:18:18.280 --> 1:18:21.679 either way. I went on the air and read the editorial. 1:18:22.360 --> 1:18:24.000 I was very proud of it when I was done. 1:18:24.560 --> 1:18:28.680 It was scathing. It was Paul Is trying to do 1:18:28.880 --> 1:18:32.920 to Bill Johnson what Art Modell did to him in Cleveland. 1:18:33.680 --> 1:18:36.880 That is, do things that a general manager should not do. 1:18:37.560 --> 1:18:41.680 He shouldn't be bumping the head coach's head and so 1:18:41.720 --> 1:18:45.120 on and so forth. I'm done with the editorial calls 1:18:45.320 --> 1:18:49.800 program ins. I made a promise to myself that I 1:18:49.920 --> 1:18:52.040 was not going to hide from that editorial. So the 1:18:52.080 --> 1:18:54.840 next day, I go to practice, and I know what's 1:18:54.840 --> 1:18:57.479 I'm that practice, and I'm know where I'm supposed to 1:18:57.479 --> 1:18:59.200 stand and everything, so I got to spend it for you. 1:19:00.240 --> 1:19:04.000 So I'm standing on the practice field when the team 1:19:04.320 --> 1:19:07.240 and the coaches take the field, with Homer Rice as 1:19:07.240 --> 1:19:10.479 the head coach. I don't see Paul, I don't see Mike. 1:19:11.160 --> 1:19:13.679 I do see the equipment man and the trainer. Everybody 1:19:13.720 --> 1:19:16.559 comes out. I'm standing there watching practice, and then suddenly 1:19:17.680 --> 1:19:20.559 Paul is right next to me, and he ripped me. 1:19:22.240 --> 1:19:25.720 He absolutely ripped me, and I stood there and took it. 1:19:25.920 --> 1:19:29.280 I said, Paul, there's nothing I said in that editorial 1:19:29.360 --> 1:19:35.400 last night that's untrue. You know that I don't like 1:19:35.439 --> 1:19:38.240 what you did. I don't know how this is going 1:19:38.280 --> 1:19:41.200 to work. The effect on the players on this team 1:19:41.280 --> 1:19:45.040 is going to be terrible. And I stand by what 1:19:45.080 --> 1:19:50.640 I said. And the practice ins and then kickers are 1:19:50.640 --> 1:19:54.800 out there kicking, and so practice has extended a little bit. 1:19:54.880 --> 1:19:58.800 And for some reason, Bo Harris, a linebacker on the team, 1:20:00.600 --> 1:20:03.479 walks by me and he says, you know what, Trump, 1:20:04.320 --> 1:20:08.160 we didn't accomplish much today except for counting that Paul 1:20:08.240 --> 1:20:10.599 stuck his finger in your face. One hundred and four 1:20:10.680 --> 1:20:17.599 times and he walks in. So after the practice is over, 1:20:19.040 --> 1:20:22.480 everybody leaves and everybody's shaking their head at me. And 1:20:22.720 --> 1:20:24.280 I went down the rest of the week, and that 1:20:24.439 --> 1:20:29.080 was on Tuesday. I went Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. I don't 1:20:29.080 --> 1:20:31.200 know who they played on Saturday, but I was not 1:20:31.320 --> 1:20:34.720 going to be labeled as an assassin as a sniper. 1:20:35.360 --> 1:20:43.599 So that changed everything in my broadcast career. I didn't 1:20:43.680 --> 1:20:46.400 know where it was going, I didn't know how it 1:20:46.560 --> 1:20:52.080 was going to unfold, but at that point my whole 1:20:53.280 --> 1:20:58.559 outlook on broadcasting changed for the positive. I took on 1:20:59.280 --> 1:21:03.479 the big guy. I meant what I said. I didn't 1:21:03.479 --> 1:21:04.160 make anything up. 1:21:05.920 --> 1:21:08.600 Bob Trumpy and a story he told me back in 1:21:08.680 --> 1:21:11.400 twenty eighteen on the Tales of Sports talk show, we 1:21:11.479 --> 1:21:14.160 did one night I could squeeze in one move, four 1:21:14.160 --> 1:21:16.719 to the bottom of the AAR. I mentioned Bob Knight. 1:21:17.040 --> 1:21:19.960 Listen to Trumpy tell the story of having Bob Knight 1:21:20.040 --> 1:21:23.679 on one night and keeping him for the entire hour. 1:21:23.800 --> 1:21:25.760 Here's Trumpy. 1:21:25.800 --> 1:21:28.040 I played high school basketball. I thought I was pretty good. 1:21:29.400 --> 1:21:32.720 Was recruited by a few colleges, so I thought I 1:21:32.760 --> 1:21:35.800 knew a lot about basketball, and I used to talk 1:21:35.840 --> 1:21:40.400 about Indiana and this is when Ken Benson. 1:21:40.120 --> 1:21:41.599 And Quinn Buckner. 1:21:41.760 --> 1:21:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jim Ferguson, who was the PR director 1:21:46.040 --> 1:21:51.240 for the Cincinnati Red, was a longtime friend of Bobby Knight. 1:21:51.439 --> 1:21:55.519 Apparently Fergie called Bob Knight and told Knight, you know 1:21:55.520 --> 1:21:57.320 you got a big fan over here in this trumpet. 1:21:57.320 --> 1:22:00.800 Gad it's doing the sports talk show. And uh, I 1:22:01.000 --> 1:22:05.560 get a call one day, uh, one day this week, Uh, 1:22:05.720 --> 1:22:08.120 would you like to have Bobby Knight on? And it 1:22:08.240 --> 1:22:11.160 was somebody at Indiana And I said this is a joke, 1:22:12.160 --> 1:22:14.519 and uh, they said, no, it's not a joke. Jim 1:22:14.560 --> 1:22:18.439 Ferguson informed by coach Knight and would you like to 1:22:18.479 --> 1:22:21.479 have them on? Hell? Yes, So you know what I did. 1:22:22.240 --> 1:22:24.200 I canceled all commercials. 1:22:25.360 --> 1:22:28.080 Only power to cancel all commercials. 1:22:28.200 --> 1:22:32.880 I had that ability to cancel all commercials. So Bobby 1:22:32.960 --> 1:22:36.040 Knight was on for an hour commercial free. No, he 1:22:36.200 --> 1:22:41.800 was absolutely wrong. No news, no weather, no nothing, no commercials. 1:22:41.800 --> 1:22:42.719 He was on for an hour. 1:22:44.680 --> 1:22:48.679 Unbelievable. Let's get a check on news when we come 1:22:48.760 --> 1:22:51.479 back a night that if you were listening, you'll never 1:22:51.560 --> 1:22:56.519 forget Bob never. He in telling this story to me, 1:22:56.880 --> 1:23:00.160 he got emotional and broke down. It was then night 1:23:00.240 --> 1:23:02.599 he kept a caller on the line who was threatening 1:23:02.640 --> 1:23:04.920 to take her own life. You'll hear him tell that 1:23:05.040 --> 1:23:08.360 story as we continue. After I check on news with 1:23:08.479 --> 1:23:17.320 Arnel Carrier. Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet, seven hundred WLW. Hey, Gary, 1:23:17.400 --> 1:23:19.919 Jeff Walker is in at nine. He's got the nightcap 1:23:20.040 --> 1:23:22.160 served up nine to midnight. I'm back at you tomorrow 1:23:22.240 --> 1:23:24.880 after Red's Hot Stove the return of the Red's Hot 1:23:24.920 --> 1:23:28.320 Stove League Show six o'clock tomorrow night. Here on seven 1:23:28.400 --> 1:23:32.519 hundred WLW. I will follow from seven to nine o'clock. 1:23:32.640 --> 1:23:37.080 We are remembering and paying tribute to the godfather of 1:23:37.200 --> 1:23:41.000 sports talk, the Bengals legend, the broadcast pioneer, the sad 1:23:41.040 --> 1:23:43.240 passing of Bob Trumpy over the weekend. Let's grab some 1:23:43.280 --> 1:23:46.760 more memories and stories and Anderson. Hey, Gary, Welcome to 1:23:46.800 --> 1:23:47.559 Sports Talk. 1:23:49.280 --> 1:23:52.640 By Lance. This is a great tribute to Trump. Thank you, 1:23:52.960 --> 1:23:53.840 Nic you do this. 1:23:53.960 --> 1:23:54.400 Thank you. 1:23:55.720 --> 1:23:58.080 I There's a lot of series stories and a lot 1:23:58.080 --> 1:24:03.000 of great When I have kind of a anecdote, it 1:24:03.120 --> 1:24:08.600 goes to what I thought, how genuine Bob was and 1:24:09.400 --> 1:24:11.960 always admired him as a player and what he accomplished 1:24:12.000 --> 1:24:15.080 as a broadcaster. But when he was first starting his 1:24:15.160 --> 1:24:20.879 sports talk show, he would joke about his studio audience 1:24:21.640 --> 1:24:27.759 and he had his producer Fringers fuller if they're ready, 1:24:28.360 --> 1:24:32.840 and would always have things going on with these supposed 1:24:34.240 --> 1:24:37.200 studio audience. So one day a friend of mine and 1:24:37.240 --> 1:24:40.720 I decided to call Bob and it said can we 1:24:40.800 --> 1:24:45.080 come down and be part of the studio audience? And 1:24:45.080 --> 1:24:48.880 and he said, absolutely, come on down, six o'clock. Here's 1:24:48.880 --> 1:24:55.120 where you go. We went in tiny studio and there 1:24:55.200 --> 1:24:58.519 was Bob. He could not have been more gracious and 1:24:59.640 --> 1:25:04.920 changed smoke yea and drank coffee through the whole. It 1:25:05.160 --> 1:25:09.840 was fascinating to watching Warwick along with his producer, And 1:25:10.320 --> 1:25:13.960 again it just goes to how genuine he really was, 1:25:14.000 --> 1:25:16.519 because he certainly didn't have to do that and let 1:25:16.600 --> 1:25:19.240 us come in because the whole thing was a gag. 1:25:19.280 --> 1:25:23.680 Anyway, Oh, what a great story. Oh I love that. 1:25:24.200 --> 1:25:27.280 I love that. Thank you for sharing you, Bet. 1:25:27.320 --> 1:25:30.559 I appreciate being on and what you're doing tonight. 1:25:30.640 --> 1:25:33.519 You got it. Thank you. I appreciate you listening tonight. 1:25:33.560 --> 1:25:36.080 And I even haven't even had time. I wanted to 1:25:36.120 --> 1:25:39.000 play a clip, but I don't have time for it tonight. 1:25:39.040 --> 1:25:42.040 At least of the whole origin of his hot Fldge 1:25:42.080 --> 1:25:45.639 Sunday bets. He would make bets with callers on games 1:25:45.840 --> 1:25:47.640 and it was for a hot Fledge Sunday and he 1:25:47.680 --> 1:25:50.280 would pay him off when the studios were in Mount 1:25:50.320 --> 1:25:53.719 Adams at the UDF. You go down to the lobby 1:25:53.720 --> 1:25:56.200 of the station and directly across the street was the 1:25:56.280 --> 1:26:00.040 UDF and that's where he paid off or got the 1:26:00.040 --> 1:26:03.240 the hot Fudge Sundays that were part of the part 1:26:03.240 --> 1:26:06.200 of sports talk in Western Hills. Hey Rick, welcome to 1:26:06.240 --> 1:26:07.680 seven hundred WLW. 1:26:08.760 --> 1:26:10.160 Hey Lance, how are you doing tonight? 1:26:10.240 --> 1:26:11.519 I'm well, thank you for calling. 1:26:12.600 --> 1:26:14.840 So here's my story. 1:26:15.040 --> 1:26:19.599 Yes, we had a group of six to ten couples 1:26:19.640 --> 1:26:23.840 who would go to Indian Rock Speech in the spring. 1:26:24.360 --> 1:26:28.240 And make our way to Al Lopez for a spring 1:26:28.320 --> 1:26:34.840 training game or two or five two and Trump would 1:26:34.920 --> 1:26:39.600 do sports talk on a weekly basis. 1:26:39.160 --> 1:26:41.320 From the pool side incredible. 1:26:40.840 --> 1:26:42.360 At the Intercontmental Hotel. 1:26:42.600 --> 1:26:45.960 Incredible, which I don't I don't think it's any longer there. 1:26:46.000 --> 1:26:51.959 But one of one of our one of the nameless 1:26:52.080 --> 1:26:59.600 kids who who was very athletic somehow climbed the tree 1:27:00.080 --> 1:27:02.479 over the top of Trumpy when. 1:27:02.320 --> 1:27:07.519 He was interviewing Dick Wagner. And he was. 1:27:07.439 --> 1:27:12.400 Distracted incredibly by this by this ten year old kid 1:27:12.760 --> 1:27:16.560 and the tree right above where he was broadcasting. 1:27:17.439 --> 1:27:20.000 And they went to a break. 1:27:19.960 --> 1:27:24.040 And Truppy said, can you get the damn monkey out 1:27:24.040 --> 1:27:31.879 of the tree. And security came in and moved us along, 1:27:32.160 --> 1:27:35.320 and he was so gracious. 1:27:36.479 --> 1:27:40.000 You know. We had the kid go up. 1:27:39.880 --> 1:27:44.240 And apologize to him during the commercial break, and it 1:27:44.320 --> 1:27:48.360 was all was good, but it was he was interviewing 1:27:48.479 --> 1:27:49.240 Dick Wagner. 1:27:49.360 --> 1:27:55.639 Oh, I've never heard that story. That is a great story. 1:27:56.920 --> 1:27:59.320 I don't think the Intercontinental is there anymore. 1:27:59.400 --> 1:28:03.599 But it was a fabulous setting for sports talk. 1:28:03.840 --> 1:28:09.840 And then Bob Herzog, who was a competitor on another station, 1:28:11.120 --> 1:28:18.320 after doing the Trumpy interview, went to Herzog's room to 1:28:18.360 --> 1:28:23.240 do his interview on his sports talk show, and we 1:28:23.320 --> 1:28:28.080 followed and knocked on the door, tried to talk to 1:28:28.200 --> 1:28:31.080 Dick Wagner, but he wouldn't talk to us. 1:28:31.880 --> 1:28:35.200 Fash What a great story. Thank you for sharing the story, 1:28:35.200 --> 1:28:36.439 Thank you for listening tonight. 1:28:37.640 --> 1:28:38.559 Thank you all right. 1:28:38.920 --> 1:28:41.760 I love that I never heard that story before. Here 1:28:41.960 --> 1:28:49.559 is one that this night. It is still thinking back, 1:28:49.920 --> 1:28:56.080 hard to fathom what happened and how Bob Trump he 1:28:56.160 --> 1:28:59.200 handled it. You were going to hear him explain the 1:28:59.280 --> 1:29:03.519 story of the night a caller was threatening to take 1:29:03.560 --> 1:29:07.160 her own life and Bob kept her on the line. 1:29:08.600 --> 1:29:11.080 Here is that story, as told to me on the 1:29:11.600 --> 1:29:14.120 show we did tales from Sports Talk a number of 1:29:14.200 --> 1:29:17.200 years ago. Take a listen. I remember this and I 1:29:17.200 --> 1:29:19.559 remember listening to this night. I want to see November 1:29:19.600 --> 1:29:22.600 of nineteen eighty three and the emotions of dealing with 1:29:22.640 --> 1:29:24.920 a female caller. I believe she was the first caller 1:29:24.920 --> 1:29:27.880 of the night. Her name was Sugar, and she was 1:29:27.960 --> 1:29:30.200 threatening to take her life and. 1:29:30.160 --> 1:29:34.240 She called you No. She called Doug Kidd, who is. 1:29:34.160 --> 1:29:36.240 The producer who answered that first person answered the line. 1:29:36.439 --> 1:29:40.240 Here's the way it happened. We're three three Hpoor Street. 1:29:40.760 --> 1:29:43.160 We got about two or three minutes before the show 1:29:43.200 --> 1:29:48.120 starts and Doug comes. I put my head, He motions 1:29:48.120 --> 1:29:52.240 and I put my head set on and he said, uh, listen, 1:29:52.280 --> 1:29:54.679 there's this lady on the I got on the phone. 1:29:54.720 --> 1:29:58.080 She called me about ten or fifteen minutes ago, and 1:29:58.120 --> 1:30:03.880 she's in trouble, and I don't know what to do. 1:30:04.000 --> 1:30:06.559 I don't know what we should do, but I don't 1:30:06.600 --> 1:30:09.559 want to hang up. That's the smartest thing that anybody 1:30:09.600 --> 1:30:12.439 did that night. So I told put her in with me. 1:30:13.520 --> 1:30:15.320 I put my head set on and I start talking 1:30:15.360 --> 1:30:17.320 to this lady. This is on the air. Off at 1:30:17.320 --> 1:30:21.080 this point, No, this is off the air. It's like 1:30:21.880 --> 1:30:26.439 ninety seconds before six o'clock, so it's not on the air. 1:30:27.439 --> 1:30:31.200 So I start talking to this lady. And I still 1:30:31.240 --> 1:30:33.760 don't know her name, but I named her Sugar, just 1:30:33.800 --> 1:30:37.320 so I can talk to her. And I start talking, 1:30:37.479 --> 1:30:40.960 and two and a half hours go by, and I 1:30:41.080 --> 1:30:45.840 was so concentrating on dealing with this lady that I 1:30:45.880 --> 1:30:48.479 was not paying attention to what was going on around me. 1:30:49.320 --> 1:30:53.040 And I frankly had no idea that ninety seconds had 1:30:53.080 --> 1:30:56.240 expired and that we were live on the air. I 1:30:56.320 --> 1:31:00.320 didn't know that. And then I looked up and I'd 1:31:00.320 --> 1:31:04.080 say there were half a dozen Cincinnati police officers in 1:31:04.160 --> 1:31:10.160 with Doug. And I looked up and I thought, wait 1:31:10.160 --> 1:31:12.719 a minute, what is this? And then they started putting 1:31:12.760 --> 1:31:15.920 notes up on the window. Don't put her in hold, 1:31:16.320 --> 1:31:20.040 don't hang up, I'll keep talking. So I just kept 1:31:20.040 --> 1:31:26.479 doing that. I've never listened to it. It still makes 1:31:26.520 --> 1:31:30.520 me emotional. I mean, every night you talk to somebody, 1:31:31.120 --> 1:31:34.439 and some night you're the only person that person talks to. 1:31:34.800 --> 1:31:38.920 And that's the feeling I got from this lady. And 1:31:38.960 --> 1:31:41.080 then I look up and my wife is standing there 1:31:41.160 --> 1:31:46.120 with her best friend. And I didn't know what I 1:31:46.200 --> 1:31:50.559 was doing except having a conversation with this woman. And 1:31:52.360 --> 1:31:56.679 finally her son picked up the phone. Her son walked 1:31:56.680 --> 1:31:59.160 in on her. I don't know if he was listening 1:31:59.200 --> 1:32:01.360 to the show. I have no clue. I still don't 1:32:01.400 --> 1:32:03.960 know her name. I've never listened to the show. I 1:32:04.280 --> 1:32:06.240 can't tell you how long it lasted, but it was 1:32:06.240 --> 1:32:10.200 somewhere around two and a half hours. I didn't know 1:32:10.640 --> 1:32:13.840 when I was done for the evening, if it had 1:32:13.880 --> 1:32:19.920 been broadcast or not. Doug was still sitting there, all 1:32:19.960 --> 1:32:23.639 the policemen were there, my wife was there, her best 1:32:23.680 --> 1:32:28.960 friend was there at the time, and I just kind 1:32:28.960 --> 1:32:37.240 of collapsed physically and mentally. And she was rescued. I 1:32:37.280 --> 1:32:40.479 don't I think the police showed up, found out where 1:32:40.520 --> 1:32:43.559 she was, and I don't know if she's fine. I 1:32:43.680 --> 1:32:47.840 don't know if she lasted a week, a month, another year, 1:32:47.880 --> 1:32:48.719 if she's still see. 1:32:48.600 --> 1:32:52.519 You from that moment, you never had another conversation or met. 1:32:52.320 --> 1:32:59.280 Her, No, no, or received a letter or anything. I 1:32:59.320 --> 1:33:03.719 can't remember a word I said, except for naming her Sugar. 1:33:03.840 --> 1:33:05.719 She had a dog with her whose name was Sugar. 1:33:05.800 --> 1:33:08.240 I said, can I call you Sugar? As I remember. 1:33:08.400 --> 1:33:13.240 That's all I remember that conversation. I don't know. For 1:33:13.360 --> 1:33:15.320 the life of me, I can't remember, and I frankly, 1:33:15.720 --> 1:33:20.479 I really don't want to know. All I remember is 1:33:20.520 --> 1:33:24.400 at the end of it was I was talking to her, 1:33:25.280 --> 1:33:29.400 and then suddenly another voice came on the phone, and 1:33:29.479 --> 1:33:33.960 I said, who is this? And it was I'm her son. 1:33:35.680 --> 1:33:36.839 Your mom needs help. 1:33:40.000 --> 1:33:46.160 This month back in nineteen eighty three, what what an 1:33:46.200 --> 1:33:51.920 evening on sports talk. I can't even imagine handling the 1:33:52.280 --> 1:33:55.880 way he did that night. Let's take a time. I'll 1:33:55.880 --> 1:33:58.439 come back, head downstretch, put the wraps on it, and 1:33:58.960 --> 1:34:01.360 get you ready for the night cap with Gary Jeff Walker. 1:34:01.400 --> 1:34:04.160 It is eight forty seven. This is RNL Carrier Sports 1:34:04.200 --> 1:34:11.200 Talk presented by Kelsey Chervallet on seven hundred WLW. Al 1:34:11.240 --> 1:34:13.479 Right down the stretch we go. Gary Jeff Walker's in 1:34:13.520 --> 1:34:17.080 the house. He's already in the studio to go on 1:34:17.240 --> 1:34:21.960 tonight at nine six here on seven hundred WLW. By 1:34:22.000 --> 1:34:26.200 the way, the initial twelve team college Football playoff projections 1:34:26.240 --> 1:34:30.400 are at the the bracket in the twenty five The 1:34:30.400 --> 1:34:33.800 initial rankings and then the projected twelve team bracket for 1:34:33.840 --> 1:34:38.000 the playoff field looks as follows. Your number one team 1:34:38.120 --> 1:34:41.800 in the college football playoff projections. Ohio State is one, 1:34:42.000 --> 1:34:44.760 Indiana is two, So the Big ten lands one in 1:34:44.920 --> 1:34:49.320 two at three Texas A, and M at four Alabama. 1:34:50.120 --> 1:34:53.439 This is the way the bracket. UC did not land 1:34:53.479 --> 1:34:58.519 in the top twenty five. They play BYU coming up 1:34:58.560 --> 1:35:03.519 at KNIPPERD BYUS seven. U see's off this weekend, then 1:35:03.560 --> 1:35:08.320 BYU BYU and Texas Tech play this week That is 1:35:08.400 --> 1:35:12.200 number seven BYU versus number eight Texas Tech in the 1:35:12.200 --> 1:35:15.559 college Football playoff rankings. This is the way the bracket 1:35:15.600 --> 1:35:19.280 looks at the moment. One seed Ohio State would play 1:35:19.280 --> 1:35:24.040 the winner of eight Texas Tech versus nine Oregon. Two. 1:35:24.240 --> 1:35:27.800 Indiana would play the winner of seven BYU versus ten 1:35:28.280 --> 1:35:32.400 Notre Dame three Texas A, and M gets the winner 1:35:32.439 --> 1:35:38.360 of six Ole Miss and number eleven Virginia and number 1:35:38.439 --> 1:35:42.240 four seed is Alabama, Bama getting the winner of five 1:35:42.360 --> 1:35:47.439 seed Georgia versus twelve seed Memphis. So again your top 1:35:47.479 --> 1:35:51.280 four seeds Ohio State one, Indiana two, Texas A and 1:35:51.400 --> 1:35:55.040 M three. Alabama is four U seed does not make 1:35:55.080 --> 1:36:00.120 the initial top twenty five rankings in the college football playoff. 1:36:01.320 --> 1:36:05.439 I think that is enough from there. Let's see what else. 1:36:07.080 --> 1:36:13.479 Louisville's in at fifteen, Michigan in at twenty one, and 1:36:14.439 --> 1:36:17.000 see if there's any other area teams that I'm missing 1:36:17.120 --> 1:36:20.759 or regional teams that would be it the college football 1:36:20.840 --> 1:36:23.639 Top twenty five playoff bracket. All right, let me give 1:36:23.680 --> 1:36:26.160 you one more to round out the night from the 1:36:26.200 --> 1:36:29.559 conversation I had with Bob a few years ago about 1:36:29.800 --> 1:36:32.600 the history of sports talk, and I asked him to 1:36:32.720 --> 1:36:36.440 kind of sum it all up. Here's part of that conversation. 1:36:37.560 --> 1:36:40.880 Could you have ever imagined the first time he turned 1:36:40.880 --> 1:36:44.080 on the microphone doing this for sports talk nineteen seventy six? 1:36:44.120 --> 1:36:47.240 Could you have ever imagined that sports talk would turn 1:36:47.280 --> 1:36:49.280 out the way it did in that run? 1:36:49.360 --> 1:36:54.240 You had no, absolutely not, And don't just include sports talk. 1:36:54.320 --> 1:36:57.920 I mean, I'm a kid from the middle of Illinois 1:36:58.920 --> 1:37:02.519 raising a town often hundred people, and I can put 1:37:02.520 --> 1:37:04.720 on my resume a lot of things, and one of 1:37:04.720 --> 1:37:07.080 the things I'm most proud of I got to play 1:37:07.120 --> 1:37:13.800 golf with Neil Armstrong. Huh and Jesse Owens. How about that. 1:37:13.800 --> 1:37:17.680 That's a long way from Tremont, Illinois, And however I 1:37:17.760 --> 1:37:23.120 got there, I enjoyed every minute. The only downside the 1:37:23.200 --> 1:37:24.880 time I had to be away from the family in 1:37:24.920 --> 1:37:29.840 television and my two sons growing up here in Cincinnati 1:37:29.880 --> 1:37:33.160 when I'm on the radio. They had to defend me 1:37:33.360 --> 1:37:39.799 every day in school and there were some punches thrown 1:37:41.840 --> 1:37:45.840 from my son sons out about what I said the 1:37:45.920 --> 1:37:47.800 night before on the radio. Those are the only two 1:37:47.840 --> 1:37:51.880 downsides I've ever found. All that I've ever done, I 1:37:51.920 --> 1:37:55.640 can accept the rest. Don't take on my kids, and 1:37:55.760 --> 1:37:59.000 just remember I played golf with Neil Armstrong. 1:38:00.040 --> 1:38:03.160 I see Owens? Are you serious? 1:38:05.400 --> 1:38:09.639 Bob Trumpy from Tales of Sports Talk a few years ago? Man? 1:38:11.280 --> 1:38:14.519 And am I gonna miss him? Thank you for sharing 1:38:14.560 --> 1:38:17.280 the stories tonight, and I hope you enjoyed the stories 1:38:17.280 --> 1:38:19.400 I was able to share. From our conversation, I got 1:38:19.400 --> 1:38:23.960 a feeling we'll probably put that back together for last year. 1:38:23.960 --> 1:38:27.200 We did it as like a Christmas Eve special Christmas 1:38:27.200 --> 1:38:29.080 Eve edition of Sports Talk. We may have run it 1:38:29.120 --> 1:38:31.400 on New Year's but I think we'll probably run that 1:38:31.439 --> 1:38:33.840 again as a special edition of Sports Talk, depending on 1:38:33.880 --> 1:38:37.599 the programming windows around the holidays. All of those stories 1:38:37.800 --> 1:38:41.120 together in one night. A couple of notes I'm looking 1:38:41.160 --> 1:38:44.639 at on Twitter. Congrats to the Baiden Rams girls soccer. 1:38:45.160 --> 1:38:51.400 They win one nil, one nothing over. Hobin. Baden will 1:38:51.400 --> 1:38:53.839 play the winner of Bay Village and Granville on Saturday 1:38:53.840 --> 1:38:57.680 at one o'clock at Cruse Stadium for the state championship. 1:38:57.720 --> 1:39:03.040 Congratulations and a couple of things on this date, let's 1:39:03.040 --> 1:39:08.160 see ooh this a note from the college football playoffs tonight. 1:39:08.160 --> 1:39:10.639 Ohio State is in at number one in the initial rankings. 1:39:10.920 --> 1:39:14.879 Only two number one teams in the first college football 1:39:14.880 --> 1:39:17.960 playoff rankings have gone on to win the national championship 1:39:18.840 --> 1:39:22.880 recent though twenty twenty Alabama twenty twenty one Georgia. Those 1:39:22.880 --> 1:39:25.639 were the team's number one initially when the polls came out, 1:39:25.920 --> 1:39:30.040 and winners of the national championship. All right, on this 1:39:30.160 --> 1:39:32.599 date in sports history, just a couple of notes. Nineteen 1:39:32.680 --> 1:39:37.519 seventy six baseball really changed forever. The first free agent 1:39:37.680 --> 1:39:41.559 draft took place. Twenty four players were available from thirteen 1:39:41.640 --> 1:39:45.599 different teams. Two years later, the free agency period began 1:39:45.920 --> 1:39:49.880 opening up that night, with Pete Rose leading the way 1:39:50.640 --> 1:39:55.000 after a world win recruitment. By what the Cardinals and 1:39:55.040 --> 1:39:57.640 the Braves and the Pirates and the Cardinals were going 1:39:57.720 --> 1:40:01.800 to give you like brewery, The Braves are gonna give 1:40:01.880 --> 1:40:05.120 him like stock in, like tbs. The Pirates are gonna 1:40:05.120 --> 1:40:08.960 give him race horses. Pete wound up signing, obviously, with 1:40:09.000 --> 1:40:12.519 the Philadelphia Phillies. This date, nineteen eighty, Japan's all time 1:40:12.560 --> 1:40:17.080 home run hitter Sadahara retired from professional baseball. The first 1:40:17.080 --> 1:40:19.880 baseman hit a record eight hundred and sixty eight home 1:40:19.960 --> 1:40:23.439 runs in his twenty two year career in Japan. And 1:40:23.479 --> 1:40:27.320 on this date, twenty ten, Sperky Anderson passed away at 1:40:27.320 --> 1:40:31.360 the age of seventy six in Thousand Oaks, California. You know, 1:40:32.080 --> 1:40:36.880 one of the most amazing stats about Sparky's career. Nine 1:40:36.920 --> 1:40:42.719 years as Reds manager, seventeen as the Tigers manager. Wow, 1:40:43.479 --> 1:40:45.439 all right, I wish I had more time. I don't 1:40:45.479 --> 1:40:48.000 Thanks to Joe Wadell for producing. Hope you enjoyed tonight. 1:40:48.040 --> 1:40:50.439 I very much appreciate you listening. Let's do it tomorrow 1:40:50.479 --> 1:40:54.160 night after Red's Hot Stove. I've got you seven to nine, 1:40:55.120 --> 1:40:58.320 stick around Gary, Jeff Walker's got the nightcap after News. 1:40:58.520 --> 1:41:01.160 This has been RNL Carrier sports Stock presented by Kelsey 1:41:01.240 --> 1:41:03.439 Chevalet seven hundred W out of you