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Speaker 2: You want answers.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm entitled you one answer. You can't handle

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Speaker 3: the truth, the true true. Hey, Hey, here we go

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Speaker 3: six oh eight seven hundred WLW Welcome in RNL Carrier

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Speaker 3: Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. I'm Lance McAllister. I'm

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Speaker 3: pleased to have you here. You know what we have tonight,

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Speaker 3: we have things that get to today. Let's start with

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Speaker 3: the headline so we can go. Trade Deadline Day in

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Speaker 3: the NFL proved moderately active for the Bengals. They did

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Speaker 3: make a trade. They traded linebacker Logan Wilson to the

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Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys in exchange for a seventh round pick, originally

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Speaker 3: a third round pick of the Bengals in twenty two twenty.

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Speaker 3: He played in seventy six regular season games with sixty

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Speaker 3: five starts, also seven postseason starts. He'd requested a trade

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Speaker 3: in recent weeks. He's tied for the NFL lead in

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Speaker 3: interceptions by linebackers since twenty twenty, with eleven and a half.

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Speaker 3: He ranks third in Bengals history among linebackers with interceptions

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Speaker 3: James Rapine reacts at six twenty deadline shockers. The seven

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Speaker 3: to two Colts get Sauce Gardner from the Jets in

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Speaker 3: exchange for two first round picks. The former Bearcats All

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Speaker 3: American hooks up with lou Anarumo, now in Indy. Then

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Speaker 3: the Jets traded three time Pro Bowl defensive tackle Quinn

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Speaker 3: year and a second round pick in twenty twenty six

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Speaker 3: Jets now have five first round picks in the next

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Speaker 3: two drafts. College football, you see linebacker Jake Golday named

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Speaker 3: a semi finalists for the Buckus Award, given to the

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Speaker 3: so no Scott Saderfield Show tonight. First college football playoff

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Speaker 3: In a Battle of the Bricks, the Miami RedHawks and

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Speaker 3: Perdue the Boilermakers hosting Evansville. The Musketeers beat Merrist last night.

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Speaker 3: back to work preparing for Game three, the decider of

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Speaker 3: up with Red's offseason question number four for us to discuss.

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Speaker 3: Tomorrow night. The Reds kick off free agency by pouncing

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Speaker 3: on a free agent right hander, Keegan Thompson one year

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Speaker 3: He will miss the twenty twenty six season. Those are

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Speaker 3: Doc at tonight looks as follows James Peen. At six

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Speaker 3: point twenty, we'll talk about the Logan Wilson trade. You

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Speaker 3: get into things that Zach said yesterday I found fascinating.

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Speaker 3: Sort through what has transpired today for the Bengals and

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Speaker 3: How are you well?

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Speaker 5: Answer?

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Speaker 3: I'm well? I'm curious. I'll ask the question everybody's wondering

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Speaker 3: and everybody's discussing today, the trade of Logan Wilson. Your

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Speaker 6: I think given the position that they put themselves in,

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Speaker 5: This makes sense.

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Speaker 6: You wanted to get that contract off the books. You

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Speaker 6: free up roughly five point two million dollars in cap

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Speaker 6: space if you combined this year and next year and

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Speaker 6: what they'll save, and so it stinks, but it beats

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Speaker 6: the alternative of you keep Logan around until February.

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Speaker 5: You cut it.

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Speaker 6: You have a bigger cap hit. You don't have any

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Speaker 6: he's still signing elsewhere. So did they handle everything right

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Speaker 6: leading up to it, from the benching and everything involved

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Speaker 6: there that really hurt his trade value. No, By getting

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Speaker 3: Here's what I And you bring up a point that

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Speaker 3: I've never understood in all of this when when they

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Speaker 3: it screamed rebuild and we're moving on, and yet they

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Speaker 6: You can totally agree, And I've asked Zach a few

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Speaker 5: At like a left guard.

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Speaker 6: You drafted Dylan Fairchild to play left guard and start

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Speaker 5: You knew that on draft day.

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Speaker 6: the time, you drafted him to do that to play linebacker,

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Speaker 6: replace Jermaine Prep. Fine, but Logan wasn't so bad that

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Speaker 5: And in turn, when you did that, you're right.

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Speaker 6: You open yourselves up to a lot of mistakes when

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Speaker 6: It completely tanks any value Logan Wilson might have had.

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Speaker 6: made them better. Maybe it will, but benching Logan Wilson

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Speaker 6: has not made them better on defense, And the past

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Speaker 6: four games are pretty obvious where the defense has had

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Speaker 6: every opportunity, even at Lambo at third and eight, to

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Speaker 6: get the ball back to Joe Flacko in the Bengals

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Speaker 6: kit to win that game, an opportunity to put the

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Speaker 6: defense hasn't done it. And you do wonder, man, if

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Speaker 6: Logan was out there, would he have made a play,

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Speaker 3: Are you surprised Trey Hendrickson is still here.

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Speaker 5: I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 6: I'm I'm disappointed, but there's there's so many layers to this.

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Speaker 6: I'm disappointed because I'm afraid that we're.

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Speaker 5: Going to go down the same path that.

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Speaker 6: They went down this past year, which is trade just

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Speaker 6: kind of in the wind. They can franchise tag him,

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Speaker 6: and I think that's very much in play. I know

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Speaker 6: he dismissed that a few months ago, but I do.

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Speaker 6: I think that's very much in play. Once upon a time,

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Speaker 6: Lance I told t Higgins, like, watch out for that

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Speaker 6: tag again. They're going to tag you next year. This

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Speaker 6: wasn't during an interview. This is just me and him chatting.

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Speaker 6: He was like, don't say that. I was like, I'm

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Speaker 6: They ended up keeping Tea because Joe Brow moved mountains

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Speaker 6: behind the scenes to do so. But you get my

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Speaker 6: point here is this this Tray thing. Now, it's just

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Speaker 6: continuing to dangle and it is a distraction and it

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Speaker 6: is an issue, and it impacts Trey and it messes

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Speaker 6: with him, and I get it. You need playmakers. Fine, well,

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Speaker 6: if you need playmakers, then pay him, and if you

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Speaker 6: it's this weird in between where they're three and six.

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Speaker 6: But Tray's gonna come back and he's gonna help them

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Speaker 6: some and they're gonna be in this little middle ground.

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Speaker 6: But I don't think any team should want to be in,

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Speaker 6: and I think that's where they're going to be.

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Speaker 3: They had a number of other expiring contracts, be it

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Speaker 3: Cam Taylor Bridge, Genostone long list, Joseph's side, long list

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Speaker 3: of brothers. Should they have done more today beyond Logan

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know me of course they should have.

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Speaker 6: I mean, of course they do you think Let me

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Speaker 6: ask you this, do you think that the Bengals and

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Speaker 6: maybe no one wanted to trade for Genostone? But do

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Speaker 6: you think they're worse a Gino Stone just isn't on

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Speaker 6: the roster outside of depth. No, I mean I don't,

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Speaker 6: and I'm not trying to be mean the Geno, but

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Speaker 6: he should have tackled Coastal Love Them the other day.

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Speaker 6: Jordan Battle should have tackled Coastal Love.

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Speaker 5: Them the other day.

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Speaker 6: I just some of these guys Joseph O's side, You've

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Speaker 6: had so many opportunities to be a consistent player for

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Speaker 6: Trion could deal with the Bears where the Browns send

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Speaker 5: To the Bear like.

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Speaker 6: Of course you could have. And so those are the

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Speaker 6: type of deals that I think that I would have

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Speaker 6: been open to. I wanted them to be open to

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Speaker 6: because I'm not sure it makes you worse. It hurts

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Speaker 6: your depth a little bit, but I'm not sure it

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Speaker 6: to dealing him Joseph Osai for sure, in plenty of

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Speaker 3: Did you anticipate yesterday when you guys spoke with Zach,

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Speaker 3: You have been cranking out the content, not just today

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Speaker 3: the rookie, played fifty eight snaps yesterday. What was it

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Speaker 3: like playing with him? Communication? How do things go?

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Speaker 8: Kid plays with his hair on fire, He's super twitchy,

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Speaker 8: and it's just good to have a guy like that

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Speaker 8: playing next year. He's just going to find a way

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Speaker 8: to make plays. He's always he's running to the ball.

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Speaker 8: That's the one thing I told him, I said, dude,

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Speaker 8: you're gonna make mistakes today. I've said, but the one

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Speaker 8: thing you can control is your efforts. I just fly

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Speaker 8: around and make plays, and he definitely did that. And

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Speaker 8: he's going to continue to grow at the more reps

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Speaker 8: he gets and continue to be a really good player

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Speaker 8: for US.

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Speaker 3: Logan Wilson back in Week one on Bengals line I

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Speaker 3: was looking at Pro Football Focus this morning linebacker grades.

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Speaker 3: Out of eighty two linebackers in the NFL who qualify

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Speaker 3: with enough snaps overall grade at the linebacker position, Logan

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Speaker 3: Wilson ranks fifty eighth out of eighty two, Barrett Carter

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Speaker 3: eightieth out of eighty two, and Dimitrius Knight Junior eighty

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Speaker 3: two out of eighty two. In terms of run defense

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Speaker 3: grade out of eighty six qualified linebackers, Logan was sixty

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Speaker 3: third against the run, Barrett eighty second against the run,

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Speaker 3: Demetrius eighty sixth against the run. In terms of pass

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Speaker 3: coverage out of seventy five qualifying linebackers, Logan ranked fifty

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Speaker 3: second out of seventy five, Dimitrious Night Junior fifty fourth,

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Speaker 3: and Barrett Carter sixty first. So it's the young guys show.

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Speaker 3: It's theirs to do with it. What they can in

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Speaker 3: the remaining eight games of the season. It's been that

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Speaker 3: way since they demoted Logan Wilson. Zach talked yesterday about

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Speaker 3: the opportunities in clearing the way for young guys to

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Speaker 3: find their voice or how that is established. Listen to

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Speaker 3: what Zach said yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I'm not afraid for young guys to step up.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 9: It doesn't have to be a veteran. Doesn't have to

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Speaker 9: be a three, four, five, six, seven year veteran. It

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Speaker 9: can be you that's done things the right way and

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Speaker 9: is accountable and the guys respond to and it doesn't

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Speaker 9: have to be perfect. But I think those young linebackers

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Speaker 9: have leadership qualities, and guys see the way they work

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Speaker 9: and how much it means to them, and so if

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Speaker 9: they were to speak, I think that guys would listen

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Speaker 9: to them, you know, And I think there's a lot

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Speaker 9: of guys that fit that that. I remember Sam Hubbard

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Speaker 9: going through this is young player kind of afraid to

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Speaker 9: speak because there were other veterans in the room that

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Speaker 9: kind of had that position and always pushing him to

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Speaker 9: take guys respect the way you work. Eventually that clicked

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Speaker 9: for him and he took over that ownership and was

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Speaker 9: a tremendous leadership for us. There's similar positions I feel

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Speaker 9: right now where we're pushing guys, don't be afraid, don't

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Speaker 9: be afraid.

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Speaker 2: To step on toes.

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Speaker 9: That's we just want to win games, and we want

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Speaker 9: everyone to be accountable and if you got leadership qualities,

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Speaker 9: step up and say something. Sometimes there's quiet leadership too,

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Speaker 9: guys just doing what they do and doing it the

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Speaker 9: right way. And guys respond to that as well, so

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Speaker 9: that when they do speak every so often then it

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Speaker 9: really resonates with other guys.

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Speaker 2: And we got some of that as well.

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Speaker 3: Zach Taylor yesterday, Still Ahead, Zach was asked twice about

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Speaker 3: how the front off is feels about where things are

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Speaker 3: right now. What he said, when we continue RNL Carrier

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Speaker 3: Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred WLW, let's

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Speaker 3: keep rolling. Hey, I'm on X at Lance Pacallister. I'm

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Speaker 3: honored if you follow thank you. If you don't, I'd

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Speaker 3: be honored if you joined us. You could contribute to

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Speaker 3: the show during the show, be a part of the conversation,

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Speaker 3: even added the conversation outside the show. I'm always twenty

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Speaker 3: four to seven on X Atlance Pcallister joined us in

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Speaker 3: the fun. This is not fun. I'm looking at Jay

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Speaker 3: Morrison from Bengals Talk dot com and he has a

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Speaker 3: list through Sunday through last night of the NFL missed

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Speaker 3: tackle leaders around the league. This is according to sports Radar,

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Speaker 3: which tracks such things. Number one in most mistackles, Jordan

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Speaker 3: Battle of the Bengals fifteen, number two in most mistackles,

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Speaker 3: Dimitris Knight Junior Bengals fourteen, tied for third, Gino Stone

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati Bengals thirteen and tied for ninth. Barrett Carter Bengals

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Speaker 3: with ten. Bengals have four in the top nine in

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Speaker 3: terms of mistackles through week nine of the NFL season.

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Speaker 3: My head hurts. Yesterday, Zach met with the media traditional

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Speaker 3: Monday gathering and was asking a couple of different times

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Speaker 3: about the front office. And this aspect has always amused

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Speaker 3: and confused me. I want you to take a listen,

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Speaker 3: Zach answering the first question about the front office.

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Speaker 10: Here it is, Zach, what's been Duke's assessment of just

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Speaker 10: what's going on defensively and what may be able to

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Speaker 10: improve after the Bobbo.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna speak for anybody. I mean for us, we

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Speaker 2: got to execute better.

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Speaker 9: Obviously, We've got to get everybody on the same page

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Speaker 9: and execute the fundamentals and the details of what we're

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Speaker 9: trying to do. And I think everyone's in favor of that,

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Speaker 9: and everyone wants to do that. We just we haven't

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Speaker 9: done a great job of that, especially over the last

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Speaker 9: couple of weeks, and so we're all.

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Speaker 2: Accountable for that.

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Speaker 9: That's what we'll spend our why week doing as coaches,

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Speaker 9: trying to find a way to get everybody to play

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Speaker 9: on the same page all the time. We've got a

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Speaker 9: lot of young players that are out there at the

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Speaker 9: same time, and so getting those guys the experience they

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Speaker 9: need together is only going to make us better in

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Speaker 9: the future. And so again we're just working through all that.

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Speaker 2: Guys are all accountable for it.

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Speaker 9: Everybody wants to play winning defense, winning football, winning team, football,

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Speaker 9: winning offense, all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: So that's what we'll continue to try to.

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Speaker 3: Do, Zach Taylor. Yesterday, he was asked again during that

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Speaker 3: news conference about conversations with the front office and the

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Speaker 3: de facto general manager, Duke Tobin. Listen to what he said.

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Speaker 10: I know you're not going to give us exactly what

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Speaker 10: conversations have been like but when it comes to duke

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Speaker 10: toe and our ownership and name said are main confident

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Speaker 10: in the side.

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Speaker 9: I should not speak for anybody. We have great staff,

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Speaker 9: great great conversations. Everyone's on the same page that we

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Speaker 9: just want to win and we want to look good

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Speaker 9: when we're winning. Yeah, and there's nobody that lacks accountability

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Speaker 9: in any area. We're all just trying to do everything

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Speaker 9: we can to get better. But I'm certainly not gonna

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Speaker 9: speak for anybody.

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Speaker 3: Accountability. Remember that word. It'll come into play in our

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Speaker 3: next segment after the news. But can you imagine going

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Speaker 3: through a season like this, a season of major disappointment,

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Speaker 3: a step back for the franchise, and only offering up

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Speaker 3: your head coach to talk about it, serving up Zach

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Speaker 3: Taylor to answer, an attempt to explain and defend and

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Speaker 3: carry water for the organization. You know, the word accountability

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Speaker 3: was uttered by Zach seven times yesterday, seven times I counted.

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Speaker 3: Has a word ever been thrown around more by an

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Speaker 3: organization and applied less than in the Bengals organization. Accountability

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Speaker 3: only applies to the players. It never goes up the chain,

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Speaker 3: It only trickles down the chain. You know fans faced

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Speaker 3: A number of fans faced a season ticket opt out

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Speaker 3: deadline last week. There's been a lot of soul searching

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Speaker 3: going on by a lot of fans asked to make

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Speaker 3: decisions and not provided answers about a plan only hearing

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Speaker 3: from the head coach. Jason Williams of The Inquirer wrote,

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Speaker 3: I think it was Monday. Someone in the front office

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Speaker 3: needs to answer for this immediately. It starts with hearing

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Speaker 3: from Duke Tobin, who's the architect of the roster. It's

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Speaker 3: all that matters right now. As angry as anger and

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Speaker 3: apathy builds in a fan base that has led to

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Speaker 3: that has led to believe the days of the Bengals

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Speaker 3: being a national punchline ended with a Super Bowl run

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Speaker 3: four seasons ago, and Jason wrote, I requested an interview

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Speaker 3: with Tobin last Wednesday. Others in the local media have too.

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Speaker 3: The Bengals are considering making their player Personnel director available

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Speaker 3: to questions this week. The club typically does not make

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Speaker 3: Tobin or anyone in the front office available for interviews

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Speaker 3: during the season, but Jason concluded things have haven't been

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Speaker 3: this bad for the club in several years, and fans

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Speaker 3: need to hear from Tobin. The strong locker room culture

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Speaker 3: that Taylor has built is fracturing. The Bengals have a

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Speaker 3: playoff caliber offense on one hand, but on the other

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Speaker 3: they have the worst defense in the NFL by far.

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Speaker 3: Let's hope, he writes, Tobin provides answers for the fans.

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Speaker 3: It's the bye week, no better time to hear from

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Speaker 3: the roster architect. Surely Tobin and ownership are disgusted and embarrassed.

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Speaker 3: The fans demand accountability from the organization asap. I just

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Speaker 3: watched during the break the press conference the media session

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Speaker 3: that Eagles GM Howie Roseman held with the media this afternoon,

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Speaker 3: and he explained why they did what they did today,

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Speaker 3: and he talked about their vision and their philosophy and

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Speaker 3: their goals. And I saw that in a quote offered

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Speaker 3: up by Chris Ballard, the Colts general manager today, It

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Speaker 3: just again, I maybe fascinating is the wrong word. Maybe

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Speaker 3: it's infuriating. I just find it fascinating that Zach has

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Speaker 3: to answer for everything that happens in this organization. He's

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Speaker 3: just the coach. Are now Carrier Sports Talk presented by

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Speaker 3: Kelsey Chevallet seven hund WLW.

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Speaker 1: The following takes place between seven pm and eight pm.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's keep rolling already, our numbnumber two unfolding

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Speaker 3: a total of three. I'm glad you were here. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: A little bit later on say bottom they are. Let's

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Speaker 3: talk a little Bob Trump, remember the Bengal legend and

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Speaker 3: the broadcasting legend, and share some stories. You're going to

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Speaker 3: hear some stories he told me over the years that

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Speaker 3: coming up at seven point thirty. I very much look

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Speaker 3: forward to your input on that. In fact, after an

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Speaker 3: hour of talking to Bengals and James R. Peene and

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Speaker 3: you heard from James and from me, and from Zach

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Speaker 3: Taylor and from Logan Wilson, I would love to hear

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Speaker 3: from you now on the trade deadline and where things

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Speaker 3: are at this moment in your mind. At five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 3: seven thousand and one, eight hundred, the Big One jump

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Speaker 3: into this. Let's talk some Bengals. To kick off this hour,

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Speaker 3: I mentioned the number of gms around the NFL today

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Speaker 3: who made trades who publicly then commented on those trades.

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Speaker 3: Chris Ballard, general manager of the Colts. They swing the

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Speaker 3: big deal, they bring in Sauce Gardner handing to lou Anroumo.

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Speaker 3: Chris Ballard, the general manager of the Colts, said quote,

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Speaker 3: having the opportunity to acquire a talented player like saw

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Speaker 3: Us Gardner was one we did not want to pass on.

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Speaker 3: He was a player that we scouted heavily coming out

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Speaker 3: of college and there's a reason he was the fourth

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Speaker 3: overall pick. Sauce is a proven cornerback. His skill and

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Speaker 3: competitive nature will elevate everyone's play on the defensive unit.

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Speaker 3: We are thrilled he is a cult The general manager

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Speaker 3: of the Colts, Chris Ballard, explaining to his fans today

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Speaker 3: what they are doing, why they are doing it, and

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Speaker 3: what their plans are now. Interesting and of note, I

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Speaker 3: am not a frequent viewer of the Pro Football Talk

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Speaker 3: Live show. That is Mike Florio and Chris Simms. Listen

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Speaker 3: to what Mike Florio dropped about the Bengals organization and

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Speaker 3: Duke Tobin.

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Speaker 7: Here.

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Speaker 11: It is jobs are on the line, you said earlier.

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Speaker 11: They're constantly evaluating everyone. Players who will be back or

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Speaker 11: not be back, coaches who will be back or not

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Speaker 11: be back. There's this bubbling up now. The Duke Tobin,

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Speaker 11: the de facto GM, is going to be out. We'll

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Speaker 11: see maybe during the bye week, maybe sooner. But heads

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Speaker 11: are going to roll in Cincinnati. This is unacceptable because

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Speaker 11: it's largely unprecedented.

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Speaker 3: How bad this defense is. I believe that when I

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Speaker 3: see it, I don't. I wouldn't trust Mike Florio. Further,

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Speaker 3: I could throw him. I'd almost be in a position

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Speaker 3: to say if Duke Tobin were to be out this week,

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Speaker 3: if that were to happen, I would ride a tricycle

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Speaker 3: around Fountain Square and address And I've already done that

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Speaker 3: once in my life. So I'm not daring that to happen.

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Speaker 3: I just I don't believe that's the case. I don't

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Speaker 3: believe heads are going to roll. I don't believe it's

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Speaker 3: unacceptable until shown otherwise. Zach was asked yesterday about potential

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Speaker 3: changes to the coaching staff. Take a listen to what

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Speaker 3: Bengals head coach Zach Taylor said.

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Speaker 5: Did you consider any staff changes over the past four hours?

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Speaker 5: What gives you the belief that.

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Speaker 2: These these are good football coaches.

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Speaker 9: They've been successful everywhere they've been and so again, we're

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Speaker 9: still in the first half of the season.

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Speaker 2: We all know we got to play better.

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Speaker 9: As a football team has been challenges or offenses faced.

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Speaker 9: Of course the season, we worked through them. We're playing

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Speaker 9: better for it. There's challenges are defense they're facing right now.

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Speaker 9: I'm confident that we're going to work through it. We're

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Speaker 9: gonna play better football and find a way to win

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Speaker 9: some games.

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Speaker 3: Can you clarify you don't plan to make any step

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Speaker 3: change on the defensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 8: No.

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Speaker 2: I believe in these guys absolutely, Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday at his weekly Monday gathering with the media, he

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Speaker 3: was asked by I think our guy Trags joins this

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Speaker 3: Thursday night, six twenty on the Roundtable Show with Rocky

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Speaker 3: this week at the Hebrew Location where that will be

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Speaker 3: the second of a five week run at the Hebrew location.

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Speaker 3: Stop buying hang out with us on Thursday night from

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Speaker 3: six to eight o'clock. But I believe it was Trags.

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Speaker 3: You'll hear the question who asked what Zach would say

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Speaker 3: to two outsiders, two fans who wonder why change isn't coming.

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Speaker 3: Here's Zach.

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Speaker 2: From the outside.

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Speaker 12: Zach, A lot of people wonder why losing five of

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Speaker 12: six the way the last two games have ended, why

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Speaker 12: don't you make changes? Is their status quo acceptable? And

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Speaker 12: people wonder on the outside, why do you feel that

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Speaker 12: you do have the solutions in the building and not

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Speaker 12: make any change.

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Speaker 2: Why is that.

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Speaker 9: Because I've been through this situation before. We've been through

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Speaker 9: this situation many years and come out the other side

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Speaker 9: playing for championships when in divisions, by sticking with what

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Speaker 9: we believe in and not doing what everybody wants you

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Speaker 9: to do. By sticking with it, I'm thankful that in

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Speaker 9: twenty twenty they didn't kick me out of here, so

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Speaker 9: we really to go to the super Bowl the next year.

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Speaker 9: And so again, I believe in the people that we've hired.

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Speaker 9: I sit in there, I watch these guys coach. I

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Speaker 9: know what they're made of. I know where we can

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Speaker 9: continue to grow. And so when you believe in people,

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Speaker 9: you don't just make a gut reaction from what people

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Speaker 9: want to see that aren't necessarily a part of it.

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Speaker 9: I understand the frustration.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 9: I'd be frustrated to if I was outside of the building.

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Speaker 9: We're going to get it fixed, We're going to continue

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Speaker 9: to work it. I trust every coach we got in

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Speaker 9: this building to get it done, or else they wouldn't

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Speaker 9: be here, we wouldn't hire them in the first place,

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Speaker 9: and so again I got firm belief that we can

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Speaker 9: get this done and we can do with the we

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Speaker 9: have and find a way to get some wins. And

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Speaker 9: again we just there's some things we got to clean up,

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Speaker 9: we got to do better. There's a coaching side of

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Speaker 9: that too, where we got to find ways to push

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Speaker 9: the right buttons for these guys to get them exactly

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Speaker 9: to do.

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Speaker 2: It how we want to do it. But I trust

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Speaker 2: that we can get that done.

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Speaker 3: Zach Taylor yesterday in meeting with the media, let me

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Speaker 3: give you one more from Zach, and he was asked

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Speaker 3: if and I think this was memory serves. I think

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Speaker 3: this may have been trags again if this group of

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Speaker 3: young players, specifically more specifically defensive young players, if they

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Speaker 3: have a grasp of this situation where this season is

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Speaker 3: right now, and an appreciation for the state of this

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Speaker 3: team right now. Here's what Zach said, Do you think.

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Speaker 12: The young players feel the way the significance of season

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Speaker 12: slumping away and we.

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Speaker 9: Came Well, we've talked about it, We've talked about this.

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Speaker 9: This can't be a last season for us. This has

742
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Speaker 9: got to be We got to come out of this

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Speaker 9: by rejuvenated and find.

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Speaker 2: A way to win.

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Speaker 9: And winning one game certainly propels you, and you've got

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Speaker 9: to build some momentum off of that. We had a

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Speaker 9: chance after the Pittsburgh game and kind of waste the

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Speaker 9: two opportunities there, and how much different things could have

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Speaker 9: been if we had finished these two games out. We'd

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Speaker 9: still have issues we have to address, but we'd be

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Speaker 9: in a better position, and so we just got to

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Speaker 9: find a way to kickstart that and build our own

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Speaker 9: momentimum there. So we got players young and old that

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Speaker 9: are accountable. They all want to do well. They're all

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Speaker 9: again I say this a lot, they're all made of

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Speaker 9: the right stuff. We have a good locker room. I

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Speaker 9: know yesterday is frustrating, emotional after a game like that,

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Speaker 9: that's not to be unexpected. But we'll just continue to

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Speaker 9: get back to work and keep grinding.

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Speaker 3: Zach Taylor yesterday. This from Todd Archer of ESPO, who

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Speaker 3: covers the Dallas Cowboys logan Wilson's new team. Todd used

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Speaker 3: to work here as well in the city. I was

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Speaker 3: the inquirer or the post. I can't remember. It's been

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Speaker 3: so long, Todd Archer, tweeting the following Bengals coach Zach

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Speaker 3: Taylor informed Logan Wilson to the trade this morning. He

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Speaker 3: went to the team facility immediately Logan Wilson did. Logan says, quote,

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Speaker 3: I went in and said my goodbyes to all the

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Speaker 3: people that poured into me and that I helped pour

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Speaker 3: into them. So it was a tough goodbye, but it

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Speaker 3: was a time for a fresh start. Logan Wilson. Earlier

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Speaker 3: this morning, let's grab some calls, get you into this

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Speaker 3: conversation in Cincinnati. Charlie, you were on seven hundred WLW welcome.

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Speaker 13: Lam spend, appreciate it. Hey, I'm just have two points.

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Speaker 13: The first point with Duke Tobin. You know I can't

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Speaker 13: get into too much, but Duke Tobin is a figurehead

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Speaker 13: for this team. He is a buffer from the ownership.

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Speaker 13: They are the ones who make the decisions of the personnel.

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Speaker 13: They negotiate all the contracts. Duke Tobin is not making

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Speaker 13: the day to day decisions on personnel. That's why you

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Speaker 13: don't hear from him there. He'd be not be able

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Speaker 13: to provide any color.

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Speaker 3: Or anything like that.

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Speaker 13: I would encourage you guys in the immediate to ask

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Speaker 13: more about the structure of the organization.

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Speaker 3: But who would who would those questions be asked too?

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Speaker 3: They don't make themselves available.

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Speaker 13: No, I agree, I just I think Duke Tobin's taking

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Speaker 13: the brunt of the most of the points, and this

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Speaker 13: fault on Katie Blackburn and Mike Brown. My second point

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Speaker 13: to all this is, if you go back to twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 13: we have hit on like foundational pieces exactly three draft

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Speaker 13: picks Jamar, Chase, Burrow, and Higgins. Outside of that on

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Speaker 13: a foundational level, name another draft pick that we've hit

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Speaker 13: on since twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 3: Would that's a great point. I'd say Chase Brown to

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Speaker 3: be fair. But to your bigger point, my daughter, my

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Speaker 3: twenty three year old daughter, could have drafted Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 3: Chase Brown, and T. Higgins or right, Jamar, Chase and

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Speaker 3: T Higgins.

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Speaker 13: I don't disagree. They can't miss prospect and you know

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Speaker 13: Jaith Brown, yes, but in terms of foundational pieces, a

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Speaker 13: left tackle or a defensive lineman. You know, our first

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Speaker 13: round draft pick this year has I mean, you can't

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Speaker 13: even find him on the field half the time. And

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Speaker 13: I would just encourage people to this is an ownership problem.

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Speaker 13: This is Katie Blackburn, This is Mike Brown. You know

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Speaker 13: they have a much bigger say, well, but I don't Charlie.

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Speaker 3: But Charlie, I guess i'd ask, why would you be

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Speaker 3: letting Duke Tobin off the hook? Nobody should be off

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Speaker 3: the hook above the head coach. They should all be

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Speaker 3: on the hook. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna less

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Speaker 3: It shouldn't be lessened for Duke. There is no accountability

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Speaker 3: that goes up in the organization. It's only used by

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Speaker 3: the head coach and it's applied down to his players.

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Speaker 5: Oh.

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Speaker 14: I don't disagree, I'm just saying.

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Speaker 13: My point being is Duke Tobin is not the one

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Speaker 13: making the personnel decision this we need as a city.

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Speaker 13: It's on Mike Brown, It's on Katie Blackburn, and Duke

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Speaker 13: to been simply a buffer in there to make it

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Speaker 13: look like we have a GM. You know, like take

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Speaker 13: the Reds for example. You know they've have their ups

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Speaker 13: and downs, but you've got to give them credit. They're

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Speaker 13: trying to win. They have peace, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, the personal place.

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Speaker 13: But in terms of you know, the pieces, you look

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Speaker 13: at every single Major League or every single NFL TA

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Speaker 13: you have a practice facility. He even FC Cincinnati has

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Speaker 13: a practice facility. Cincinnati is the only one that doesn't

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Speaker 13: have a separate practice facility. They don't invest in the team.

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Speaker 13: That's why we can't it free agents here. You know

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Speaker 13: this sounds ancillary, but even you know in terms of

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Speaker 13: like dining for the players, it's clearly every year it's

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Speaker 13: one of the worst rated in f Why would you

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Speaker 13: not want your players to have the best possible nutrition.

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Speaker 13: They don't invest in the team, and then they come

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Speaker 13: to the county and.

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Speaker 3: Ask for four hundred million.

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Speaker 13: As all these other places, whether it's Nashville or Cleveland

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Speaker 13: or Buffalo, they're building these stadiums on their own, on

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Speaker 13: their own dime for the most part, and ours is

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Speaker 13: looking for a renovation because they're just cheap and didn't

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Speaker 13: want to spend money. And whether they win or not,

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Speaker 13: did get that NFL revenue share.

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Speaker 3: Charlie, I got to run. I got to run. I

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Speaker 3: appreciate your point in your spraying to all fields now

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Speaker 3: and opening up a whole conversation for a a a

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Speaker 3: whole year of conversation on a variety of things. I

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Speaker 3: will say this. You mentioned the Reds. That's the same

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Speaker 3: organization who's president of Baseball operations told Mark Sheldon and

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Speaker 3: the media today that quote, our twenty twenty six payroll

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Speaker 3: will be around the same as our payroll from twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five. End quote seven twenty RNL Carrier Sports Talk

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Speaker 3: I'd be interested in hearing your stories and recollections of

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Speaker 3: hour news in Lexington, Let's talk Bengals in the trade deadline. Joe,

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Speaker 3: what do you know?

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Speaker 7: Hey, Lance, thanks for having me on, but what's on

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Speaker 7: your mind? Well, you know, I love the term I

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Speaker 7: can show you better than I can tell you. And

871
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 7: I would show Duke Tobin Blackburn and my Brown family

872
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 7: the anguish and the parody of the Commons fan is

873
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 7: next time Cincinnati has a home game, the seats would

874
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 7: be empty. And uh the reason I say that is,

875
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 7: uh uh, the fans are the ones really losing. I mean, sure,

876
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 7: the players hurt, and I get that, but they're millionaires. Okay,

877
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 7: they're They're going to go on about their day and

878
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 7: I know they want to win, but the front office

879
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 7: has to go And to me, as a fan, my

880
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 7: input Mike Brown, please sell the team because it to

881
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 7: have the offense they have now and and to let

882
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 7: Logan Wilson walk and and maybe that's a reflection of

883
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 7: the problems they had with Stewart and all the hype

884
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 7: and all the conversation with him and and all the

885
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 7: things said during the off season with Trey it's it's

886
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 7: just toxic. And uh, it's it's for the common fan.

887
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 7: My heart really goes out. You know, I do well,

888
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 7: but there's a lot of fans that that don't. There's

889
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 7: a lot of fans that that just you know, barely

890
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 7: make it a third.

891
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 3: Had sure, but but Joe. Also, what you're asking is

892
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 3: for them, those individuals who spent their harder money on

893
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 3: tickets to not go. What I mean, what that seems counterproductive.

894
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 3: You've already got the tickets. Why would you not use them?

895
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 4: Oh?

896
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 7: Well, well I get that a typeset. Yeah, you know,

897
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 7: I'm not what I'm what I'm saying is is they

898
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 7: I don't really see them actually caring about the fan

899
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 7: base because if they did, they would have somebody that

900
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 7: could draft talent. They could have somebody that that would

901
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 7: really get impact players. And they fail to do so.

902
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 7: And it's not just one year, it's a year after year.

903
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 7: I'm sure they you know, blind squirrel can finding the

904
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 7: corn once in a while. I get that. And you know,

905
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 7: I mean Zach Tiller, you know, I think he's a

906
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 7: great coach. But the Logan Wilson thing and and the

907
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 7: fact that they don't they're not aggressive like in the draft,

908
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 7: like trading up and maybe getting that defensive player or

909
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 7: like Rokwan Smith the Baltimore God, do we even go

910
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 7: after players in the trade.

911
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 4: We didn't this year.

912
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 7: I mean, so what are the Bengals, what are they

913
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 7: saying that what they're cutting their losses and they're forgetting

914
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 7: about this year. And you know, I don't know. And

915
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 7: let me ask you this, did Mike Jesse Bates? Was

916
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 7: it because I don't know? Was it the fact that

917
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 7: Mike Brown they didn't have the money?

918
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no no, they they always have the money.

919
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 3: They have money now. They just didn't consider it. They

920
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 3: didn't consider it value for a safety and thought they

921
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 3: could survive without it. They're still searching for safeties back there. Yeah, Joe,

922
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 3: I hear you feel. I feel your frustration. It comes

923
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 3: through loud and claied. I appreciate you. Check it in tonight. Yes,

924
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 3: all right, right, all right, thank you.

925
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 7: You know.

926
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 3: I go back and I'm looking at this this column

927
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 3: by Jason Williams again, and I just that this line

928
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 3: is such a wonderful line, and I can't imagine it

929
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 3: being uttered in like and I love the city I'm

930
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 3: in and I don't want to live in New York

931
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 3: and or Boston or Philadelphia or a place like that.

932
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 3: But can you imagine this line in like Boston or

933
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 3: New York or Philadelphia when it's this he says. I

934
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 3: requested an interview with Tobin last week. Others in the

935
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 3: local media have too. The Bengals are considering making their

936
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 3: player personnel director available to answer questions this week. Can

937
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 3: you imagine NFL teams in no Cities saying, you know,

938
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 3: we are considering having our player personnel director answer questions

939
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 3: about the state of the team. We might or might

940
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: not get back to you on that.

941
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 2: You just can't make that stuff.

942
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: Up, Doc Bob Trumping next to Arneld Terrier Sports Talk

943
00:49:47,040 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 3: presented by Kelsey Chevale. Seven hundred WLW Hey Rolling until

944
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 3: nine tonight with rn L Carrier Sports Talk presented by

945
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 3: Kelsey Chevrolet. It's Tuesday night. That must mean the nightcap

946
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 3: with Gary Jeff Walker. I do believe I wanted to

947
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 3: spend some time on Bob Trumpy and welcome you into

948
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 3: the conversation and stories. And I spent a couple of

949
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 3: segments last night on Bengals Lin with Dave Lapham. We

950
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 3: remembered Trump, and that was on ESPN fifteen thirty, and

951
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 3: it was in the eight o'clock hour, because we started

952
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 3: on both seven hundred and ESPN fifteen thirty then broke

953
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 3: away for UC basketball here, So only if you were

954
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 3: listening on ESPN fifteen thirty and in the eight o'clock hour.

955
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 3: Did you hear us talk about Trumpy last night? Pat

956
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 3: Brennan of The Inquirer called me last night for a

957
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 3: story he's doing on Trumpy. Sterling called me and I

958
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 3: was on with him last night. I'm going to be

959
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 3: on tomorrow morning from Springfield, Illinois with my guy Darren

960
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 3: Pritchard of sports Radio fourteen fifty in Springfield, where Trump

961
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 3: is from and where his family is is revered. And

962
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 3: Darren said, I'd love to get you on and talk

963
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,919
Speaker 3: about Trump because he is such a beloved figure here

964
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: in his family. And I said absolutely, and I kind

965
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 3: of like I thought about holding this off until eight,

966
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 3: and then I was weighing, do I really want to

967
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 3: talk more Bengals for another half hour? Do I want

968
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 3: to get into Trumpy now at the midway part of

969
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 3: the show and allow you some storytelling time? And let's

970
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 3: do it now, And the phones are open at five one, three, seven,

971
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 3: four nine seven one eight hundred. The Big One I

972
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 3: wrote about this, I tweeted this out, had posted it

973
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 3: at seven hundred WLW dot com and on my Facebook page.

974
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 3: I'll I'll give you my biggest takeaways and moments and

975
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 3: memories with Bob Trumpy and they go back as as

976
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 3: a kid at Wilmington College in training camp and I

977
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 3: would have been ten eleven years old standing along the

978
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 3: ropes of Bengals training camp and I got Bob Trumpy's autograph.

979
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 3: I still have it. I collect did Bob Trumpy's football cards?

980
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 3: Still have them? And when he made the move and

981
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 3: transitioned from player to broadcaster, and he actually made it

982
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 3: while he was playing, he became must listen to radio

983
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 3: for me and for fans of Cincinnati. And if you

984
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 3: wanted to know what was going on and what he

985
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 3: thought about it and what you should think about it,

986
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 3: you tuned into sports talk at six o'clock here with

987
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 3: Bob Trumpy in a day and age where there were

988
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 3: very limited platforms broadcast platforms that were not podcast. It

989
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: wasn't oh I missed Trump, I'll catch it the next day.

990
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 3: It was you found your radio at six o'clock because

991
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 3: the gospel of Trumpy was about to begin, and he

992
00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 3: had he had a voice and a presence on the

993
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 3: radio like no one before, and no one sins. I

994
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 3: always called him the godfather of sports talk. He created

995
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 3: it and listening to it as a eleven twelve thirteen

996
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 3: year old. He sounded big, and he sounded important, and

997
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 3: he attracted big and important guest. I always laugh and

998
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 3: marvel and you'll hear him tell this story a little

999
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 3: bit later on and a clip by having the archives

1000
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 3: of what he had Bob Knight on and he had

1001
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 3: him for an hour one night, and Bob made the

1002
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 3: decision to cancel all the commercials. We're going to commercial

1003
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 3: free all Bob Knight for the hour. That was the

1004
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 3: power of Trumpy in multiple ways, that Bob Knight would

1005
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 3: give him an hour. Can you imagine Bob Knight giving

1006
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 3: anybody an hour, especially media, And yet he did. And

1007
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 3: can you imagine I'll tell you what. I could do

1008
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 3: an interview one night with somebody for an hour and

1009
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 3: say cancel the commercials. I would not be invited back

1010
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 3: the next day. My key card would go red. You

1011
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 3: know I always joke I work on a day to day.

1012
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 3: Does my key card turn green? I'm good to go

1013
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 3: one day, it'll turn red. If I had tried that,

1014
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 3: it would have gone red. Rest assured you did what

1015
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 3: you blew out all the commercials and kept the guests

1016
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:41,439
Speaker 3: for the entire hour. Bob Trumpy had opinions. Oh did

1017
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:46,959
Speaker 3: he have opinions? And he was right and you were

1018
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 3: wrong all the time. I always kind of joked it

1019
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 3: was kind of in the mold of trump I always joked,

1020
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 3: I don't say things I don't work on my show

1021
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 3: and prepare and do the research so I can say

1022
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 3: things that are wrong. And I always joked that in

1023
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 3: terms of that's something Bob Trumpet would say. He was

1024
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 3: never wrong, and it was part of the beauty of

1025
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 3: Trumpet was infuriating. Growing up. I called his show once

1026
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 3: a week. I once called him. I was probably fourteen

1027
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 3: years old. I called Sports Talk from our family vacation.

1028
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 3: We had gone to Keith Cod and I called him

1029
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 3: to talk rats. In nineteen eighty five, I would have

1030
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:36,439
Speaker 3: been eighteen years old. I called him and we went

1031
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 3: round and round and round arguing about playing time for

1032
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 3: Buddy Bell over Wayne crenchike The Reds had traded for Bell.

1033
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 3: Wayne Crenchikey was having a career year. They benched cren Chickey.

1034
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 3: They started Bell, and you could look it up. Bell,

1035
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna guess for his first fifty games, hit like

1036
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 3: a buck eighty and I just lost my mind that

1037
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 3: you you could take a guy out of the lineup

1038
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 3: who was having a career year and keep playing Buddy

1039
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 3: Bell who was hitting one eighty, and we went right

1040
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 3: around and he hung up on me. And incredibly, you know,

1041
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 3: eighteen fifteen years later I was working with him. We

1042
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 3: co hosted the Friday afternoon Bengals pep Rally show. I'm

1043
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 3: gonna say from I know it had to be ninety

1044
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 3: nine because that was Achille Smith. And oh did we

1045
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 3: have some shows about Achille Smith. I remember Trumpy. One

1046
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 3: time we were talking about what was wrong with Achille

1047
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 3: Smith and Trumpy and I'm paraphrasing, declared he ran he

1048
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 3: ran twenty six plays and he messed up eighteen of them.

1049
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 15: He's an idiot, idiot, I said it there, and I'm like,

1050
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 15: but this is Bob Trumpy and we all we did

1051
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 15: those shows every Friday.

1052
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 3: And you talk about at a time where the Bengals

1053
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 3: are really, really bad, there were Fridays where we sat,

1054
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 3: we travel around to the different Buffalo Wild Wings was

1055
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 3: every Friday afternoon from three to six. This would have

1056
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 3: been this was eleven sixty Bob or thirteen sixty or

1057
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 3: whatever station it was at the time, and it would

1058
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 3: be me and trumpy, and there might be a manager,

1059
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 3: and there might be somebody a server, and somebody in

1060
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 3: the kitchen. There was like six people in the place

1061
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 3: on Fridays during real bad Bengals seasons. You could hear

1062
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 3: the dishes clanging in the background in the kitchen. It

1063
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 3: was so quiet in the place. But oh, we were

1064
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 3: talking Bengals. And the thing I always remember about working

1065
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 3: with Trump he was he would he would have a

1066
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 3: way of peering over his glasses and many times through

1067
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 3: the cloud of smoke from his chain smoking, because then

1068
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 3: back then old that he smoked cigarettes. I mean in

1069
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 3: a show, he might smoke two packs of cigarettes and

1070
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 3: a show and he would look at me down those

1071
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 3: glasses on his nose and through the smoke, and I

1072
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 3: have said something and he would say, you clearly never

1073
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 3: played the game. And that was like his go to line.

1074
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 3: And I would get in on kicks where I like,

1075
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 3: like after Sunday, I would have done this where I

1076
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 3: would have demanded the Bengals make a statement. I would

1077
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 3: have said during the show, they need to make a statement,

1078
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 3: they need to do you know, fill in the blank,

1079
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 3: and he would just laugh in that big, booming, deep voice, statement,

1080
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 3: Oh you and your statements. Ah, you want to do

1081
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 3: is make statements. And I'll never forget. One Friday snowstorm

1082
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 3: hit and I remember saying, all right, I've got to

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Speaker 3: get to the show today. I'm going to I left

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00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 3: three hours early that day to get to the show,

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00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 3: and it was at a Buffalo Wild Wing somewhere somewhere

1086
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 3: up around this vicinity. I would think it was in Ohio.

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00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 3: I had to cross from northern Kentucky into it was

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00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 3: up in this part of the woods, so to speak.

1089
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 3: And I was late for the show because the traffic

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00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 3: and the snow. I left three hours early, and I

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00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 3: was late. And I got to tell you sitting in

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00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 3: the car in a snowstorm and hearing that Bob Trumpy

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00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 3: had arrived and started the show without me, And he

1094
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 3: proceeded to spend the half hour that I was late

1095
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 3: just crushing me, just at absolutely obliterating me for being late.

1096
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 3: I mean it was he just killed me. Never forget

1097
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 3: that we sparred at times. We had knockdown, drag out

1098
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 3: battles on the air. We had knocked down drag out

1099
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 3: battles off the air. We did the Roundtable show together,

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00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 3: and I think two thousand and ten for a year.

1101
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 3: But I've always said the defining moment of our relationship

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01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 3: came about twenty two years ago, and that's when Casey

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01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 3: was diagnosed with leukemia. Casey was two and a half

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01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 3: at the time, and Bob Trumpy was the first person

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01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 3: that called me and he offered whatever we needed, however

1106
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 3: he could help, and he offered his bone marrow. He said,

1107
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:48,919
Speaker 3: if you need a donor, I'm in And I will

1108
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 3: never forget that. You know, It's been sixteen years since

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01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 3: I realized the dream of becoming the host of this show,

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01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 3: and I have never once tried to be like him

1111
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 3: or do a show like him, because I had no shot.

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Speaker 3: He is truly one of a kind, and I will

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01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 3: say in doing this show, I've always felt an obligation

1114
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 3: to do the show justice because of what he'd built

1115
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 3: with this show. So I call him the godfather. Without him,

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01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 3: sports Talk would have eventually arrived in this city. I

1117
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 3: remember when it became a thing on WFAN and New

1118
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 3: York twenty four hours sports Talk that was incredible. It

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01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 3: would have eventually been here in some way, shape or form.

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Speaker 3: But what Bob Trumpy created in his own vision, built

1121
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 3: and delivered if you, if you weren't around, try to

1122
01:01:55,360 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 3: understand how incredible it was. And it's why I love

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01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 3: to play clips and interviews, and you're gonna hear him

1124
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 3: the rest of the show in parts. I like to

1125
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 3: play his interviews and clips from the archives of Sports

1126
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 3: Talk because I want listeners reminded of his greatness, or

1127
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 3: I want people to hear his greatness maybe for the

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01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 3: first time. He was to me and always will be

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01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 3: larger than life. I can't believe he's gone. Thoughts and

1130
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 3: prayers to his wife Pat and sons Matthew and Jason,

1131
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 3: and I'm just incredibly sad. Let's take a time out.

1132
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 3: We'll come back. I've got some things he has said,

1133
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 3: some stories he shared over the years. I'm going to

1134
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 3: let you hear. I would love to hear from you

1135
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 3: thoughts and reflections and memories of Trump as a Bengal

1136
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 3: and as the host of Sports Talk and as an

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01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 3: NBC broadcaster ahead RNL Carr Air Sports Talk presented by

1138
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 3: Kelsey Chevale seven hundred WW close it in on eight o'clock.

1139
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 3: Man time is flying tonight news and an update on

1140
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 3: election Day coming up in a matter of minutes. Let

1141
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 3: me begin a series, Evan Man, I can't wait to

1142
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 3: hear some of these stories I see popping up online.

1143
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 3: We'll get to your calls shortly. Let's also set the scene,

1144
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 3: and this is part of a conversation I had to

1145
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 3: sit down I had with Bob I'm going to say

1146
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 3: back in maybe as far back as like twenty eighteen,

1147
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 3: asking him about the history of sports talk. Listen to

1148
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 3: him describe how sports talk the idea came about.

1149
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 16: While driving around southern California. There's a thousand radio stations

1150
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 16: out there, and I turned one on and Bill Russell,

1151
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 16: the Hall of Fame center for the Boston Celtics and

1152
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 16: out of the University of San Francisco was doing a

1153
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 16: talk show, doing a sports talk show. I got slightly hooked,

1154
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 16: not on what he was doing or what he was saying,

1155
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 16: but he was having a good time. So I talked

1156
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 16: to my wife. We're driving somewhere, and I said to her,

1157
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 16: you know I could do that. That was the moment

1158
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 16: where I thought I would at least explore the possibility

1159
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 16: of doing it here in Cincinnati. Now here's what was

1160
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 16: working against me. LA has what twenty million people a

1161
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 16: lot of sports. How do you accommodate that in Cincinnati.

1162
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 16: And then I thought, wait a minute, half of the

1163
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 16: audience is the Pacific Ocean in Los Angeles at least

1164
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 16: in Cincinnati. You come to Cincinnati in the same general

1165
01:04:54,440 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 16: area you got Columbus, Lexington, Louisville, certainly, Indianapolis, Bloomington. Wait

1166
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 16: a minute, we got a lot of sports. So that

1167
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 16: was the birth of the idea, just riding around in

1168
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 16: southern California traffic listening to Bill Russel go ahead.

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01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 3: That idea is then presented to this station seven hunterd

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01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,439
Speaker 3: WLWS Charlie Murdoch and rejected.

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01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 16: Why Well, I had been a radio salesman for this

1172
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 16: radio station in the early seventies when they were at

1173
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 16: ninth in Elm so I knew some people in this building.

1174
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 16: But this is the only radio station that I really

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01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 16: ever listened to other than WSAI and our good buddy

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01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 16: Jim Scott. So I presented it to Charlie Murdoch, and

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Speaker 16: Charlie was one of those guys that his face was

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01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 16: like a billboard you knew immediately yes or no. And

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01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 16: that's what I was hoping for. That I had see

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01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 16: in his face the excitement, and there wasn't the excitement,

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01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 16: and he said, give me twenty four hours and I'll

1182
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 16: get a hold of you. He called me in twenty

1183
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 16: four hours and said no, I was crushed. So the

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01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 16: only other place that had the strength that is a

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01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 16: fifty thousand watt station was WCKY, which I had never

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01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 16: listened to, primarily because they played Montovani, Steve Lawrence, and

1187
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 16: Igor May records. I think it's fair to say that

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01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 16: it would be described as elevator music.

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Speaker 3: And you're still playing at the time, you're still active.

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Speaker 16: It was the off season after after Actually it was

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01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 16: the off season after seventy four. By the way, I

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Speaker 16: learned a couple of years later that Charlie Murdoch loved

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01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:51,439
Speaker 16: the idea, the Bengals did not, and that they made

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01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 16: the decision.

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Speaker 3: Part of a conversation I had with Bob Trumpy about

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Speaker 3: seven eight years ago. Will turn into the eight o'clock hour,

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01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 3: Grab your calls and you will hear Bob tell the

1198
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 3: story of when his broadcast career officially changed in transition

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Speaker 3: from player to broadcaster when he took on the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: That is next RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey

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01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 3: Chevrolet seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: The following takes place between eight pm and nine pm.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's finish strong, got an hour to get

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Speaker 3: it done before I hand things off to Gary Jeff Walker.

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Speaker 3: I'm alliance McAllister, thanks for being here. We started this

1206
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 3: at the midway point of the show, and I figured

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01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 3: tonight would be it would be only fitting to spend

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Speaker 3: some time sharing stories, swapping stories of the former Bengal

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01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 3: legend and broadcasting pioneer Bob Trumpy after his passing over

1210
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 3: the weekend. You'll hear some more clips of stories he

1211
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 3: told me over the years throughout this hour. But I

1212
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 3: want to hear something from you as well, said to reading,

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Speaker 3: Hey Dave, welcome to sports Talk.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: I'm climbing up brother Scott's car Sunday morning and uh

1216
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 17: Dan Horde and uh we AFP we're talking about Trump.

1217
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 17: You in And I said, don't tell me Bob trumps

1218
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 17: and Scott said yeah. I said, wow, it's it's uh

1219
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 17: at of not going around lately. It is great one's dinalds.

1220
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 17: But I said, hopefully the Bengals can at least they

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01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,639
Speaker 17: win this game in his honor. And we know how

1222
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 17: that turned out that the Bacle. But yeah, it was

1223
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 17: I Uh, I remember, UH. I think first of all

1224
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 17: you saying that about you would try to be nothing

1225
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 17: like and you two showed how two different styles can

1226
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 17: work so well. And I guess I wanted to say, basically,

1227
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 17: was was I think that one story? I remember I

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01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 17: laughed you saying how he had with anyone he first

1229
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 17: calling it, and I can think I can remember my

1230
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 17: first time I did that, and it was uh at

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01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 17: the super Bowl. At the first super Bowl. We were

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01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 17: at the Super Bowl and UH Trump was saying something

1233
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 17: about how Isaac Curtis UH didn't go over the middle

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01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:41,600
Speaker 17: like he should. He's I think he's afraid to go

1235
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,640
Speaker 17: over to the middle. On that interception, Ken Harrison threw and

1236
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 17: down about the goal line and the Baneles at this

1237
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 17: ball right away, and I took an issue with that,

1238
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:52,799
Speaker 17: and of course he was right, and he kept arguing

1239
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 17: and he was right and everything, and.

1240
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 7: You know what a lance.

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01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 17: I went back and since we were at the game,

1242
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 17: I I see them. I went by watching it did

1243
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 17: look like I love eyes to death. He's one of

1244
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 17: my favorites, but that looked like he was a little

1245
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 17: hasn't it going over the middle there? But so I,

1246
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 17: you know, I figured that he was uh deadly right

1247
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 17: about that, and he was the one thing I wanted

1248
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 17: to uh say about that was my brother Ken. He's

1249
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 17: been a a football coach for fifty three years in

1250
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,759
Speaker 17: high school and uh he actually played up in Wilmington

1251
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 17: College back then when the bands trained and and he

1252
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 17: did this. He was a tight end and he was

1253
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 17: the same kind of tight end as Trump. He was

1254
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 17: my passed catching tight ending a block too, they passed.

1255
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 17: He was a three time All conference tight end. But

1256
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 17: he Trump he left his shoulder pads behind and they

1257
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 17: gave him the can they used.

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01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 5: Wow.

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01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 17: Of course he's first thing. He's uh maybe one number

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01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 17: eight seventy. I know you're wearing eighty four. You're wearing trumpies.

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01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 3: Uh how about that? Oh that's cool, that's cool, he.

1262
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 17: Said, you're doing that. It's funny because those two are

1263
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 17: now where they like his players. They're both so the

1264
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 17: same way of uh believes this. We're always right about that, right,

1265
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 17: the really nicest guys in the world, really, but just

1266
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 17: just acting like they uh yeah, they were always right

1267
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 17: and great players. And you know, Ken, he wears he

1268
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 17: has eighty four license plates for that number and well,

1269
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 17: I wanted to say real.

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Speaker 3: Quickly, real quick.

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01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 17: Yeah, I feel a real bad because I feel bad

1272
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 17: because I wanted to vote for him last year in

1273
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 17: the Rail Honor. Well I will to wind up winning,

1274
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 17: but I feel bad. Next year, I define I definitely

1275
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 17: going to vote for him. And I just think they

1276
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 17: should put them all those guys in right now and

1277
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 17: start freshing the guys who were on them on there

1278
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 17: for a while.

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01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 3: A Hey, Dave, I got to run. Thanks Buddy good

1280
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 3: hearing from me. I've said from the start they need

1281
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 3: a catch up class for the Ring of Honor. They're

1282
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 3: never going to catch up. And sadly, Bob Trump he's

1283
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,799
Speaker 3: not in the Ring of Honor and he's now passed,

1284
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 3: and it's just it's it's just it's not right. Newport

1285
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 3: we go, don You're on seven hundred w L W.

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01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 5: Hey Lan.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, this goes back about seven years now. So I

1288
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 18: was a jeweler for thirty six years and one day

1289
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:29,799
Speaker 18: Bob walks in with this watch battery to be changed.

1290
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 18: So come room and start tell yeah, it takes about

1291
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 18: ten minutes or so to change the battery. So well,

1292
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 18: don't you have that Bengals Edition Rolex, you know you

1293
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 18: don't need a battery for that. And he says, I'd

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Speaker 18: be lucky to get a cracker Jack watch from that.

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Speaker 18: He said, yeah, you know how he used to say, yeah, right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, absolutely, So that's.

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Speaker 7: So that's what he said.

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Speaker 18: The one thing led to another. And I had a

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Speaker 18: had a condition. I know you do too. I don't

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01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 18: know if it's the exact same thing, but I had

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Speaker 18: the exact same condition as Sam wise cardiomyopathy. Wow, and

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Speaker 18: it's uh I had for about fifteen years. It's anybody

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01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 18: they had heart issues knows that. It's all about that

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01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 18: jaction fraction. Okay, that that number, and that number for

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01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 18: me had gotten down to about ten to fifteen percent

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01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 18: when I saw him. And I'd been fighting the transplant

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01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 18: word for petrified of it for a long time, and

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01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 18: I just couldn't wrap my mind around it. I kept

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01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 18: trying to stem cell you name it. I was there

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01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 18: trying to get it done, and you know, in the end,

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01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 18: it just can't fight it when it gets to that.

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01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 18: But same thing as Sam. So he says to me,

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01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 18: right there, Hey, what's your number? But what are you

1314
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 18: doing here?

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Speaker 7: First of all?

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01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:50,679
Speaker 18: And I saw I'm working. I mean, I just got it,

1317
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 18: so gonna work. Finally goes no, no, you've got to

1318
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 18: get this done. So, as you know, you don't argue

1319
01:13:55,600 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 18: with Bob right when you're looking at it. So the

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01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 18: very next day, Sam wife calls me, wow, wow, and

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01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 18: I thought, that's really that's amazing. And I'm telling you

1322
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 18: that conversation will offer about thirty minutes. And he changed

1323
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 18: my mind. And six years later I received my Christmas

1324
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:18,600
Speaker 18: Day of all days.

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01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,759
Speaker 3: Nineteen What a story. Oh I got chills.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, No, he was and he and that wasn't the

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01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 18: first time I talked to him. And uh, but Bob,

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01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 18: I mean, you know, that's part of them. I think

1329
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 18: a lot of people thought he was a hard ass

1330
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 18: and stubborn and just really you know, it was a

1331
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 18: no at all. Yeah, they didn't really see the.

1332
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 3: Side exactly exactly right, very caring.

1333
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 18: So that anyway, that's a that's a feel good story

1334
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 18: about about John.

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01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 3: That's great to hear. I'm glad you shared it. Thanks

1336
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 3: for checking in.

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01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 7: Yep, thank you.

1338
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 3: All right, we'll continue. I've got another story you'll hear.

1339
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 3: Bob tell a story about going toe to toe with

1340
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 3: the organization after he had retired that next plus more

1341
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 3: of your calls. RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey

1342
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 3: Chevrolet seven hundred WLW A twenty two seven hundred WLW

1343
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 3: R and L Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet.

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01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 3: I'm Lance McAllister. Thanks for tagging along time. Thanks for

1345
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 3: sharing the stories, the memories of Bob Trump you passed

1346
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 3: over the weekend. This is this is one of the

1347
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 3: more amazing stories he told me over the years. This

1348
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 3: is when he knew he had officially transitioned from a

1349
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 3: player Bengals player to a broadcaster at the defining moment,

1350
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 3: and what it did to his relationship with the organization.

1351
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:40,639
Speaker 3: This story, he told me, was about seven years ago.

1352
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 3: It happened back in nineteen seventy eight when the Bengals

1353
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:48,520
Speaker 3: fired Tiger Johnson. Listen to Bob's account of what transpired

1354
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 3: and how he reacted.

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01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 16: I was sitting at a sponsor Barleick Horns with a

1356
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 16: bunch of salespeople and it comes on the air that

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01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 16: Johnson has just been fired. I was, to say the

1358
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 16: least upset. Two reasons. One, Tiger was, along with Bill Walsh,

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01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 16: the two greatest influences on my professional career at Walsh

1360
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 16: kept selling me and Tiger used me properly. I was

1361
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 16: not a big tight end. I was a quick tight end,

1362
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 16: a fast tight end. I could trick him. I wasn't

1363
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 16: going to blow somebody off the line of scrimmage. Tiger

1364
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 16: helped me with that. I was not happy. The other

1365
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 16: factor was I was a teammate of that. All those

1366
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 16: guys down there the year before, I had contacts. The

1367
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 16: contacts had been telling me some things. I knew some

1368
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:48,680
Speaker 16: things that Tiger Johnson did not take criticism or questioning

1369
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 16: or anything from anybody, including Paul Well. And there had

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01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 16: been some blow ups down there, and I was aware

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01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 16: of them. So I went back to the radio station

1372
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 16: and I'd never really written an editorial or anything like that,

1373
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 16: and I wrote this two page editorial about what I thought,

1374
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 16: I knew, what I knew, and how terrible this was

1375
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 16: to disrupt this football team with this firing. So I

1376
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:24,639
Speaker 16: that was the first quandary in my broadcast career. If

1377
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 16: I do this as a former player. I mean, I

1378
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 16: got to check from these people about eight months ago.

1379
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 16: What's going to happen?

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01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 5: Geez?

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01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 16: What should I have? Shouldn't I? So I went into

1382
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 16: Phil McDonald, who was the general manager, and I said,

1383
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 16: I'm stuck. He said, how can I help? And I said,

1384
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 16: I just wrote this and this is my initial reaction

1385
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 16: to the firing of Bill Johnson. And he said, mind

1386
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 16: if I read it? Said no, absolutely, That's why I'm

1387
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,719
Speaker 16: in the air fort. So he read it and he said,

1388
01:17:55,920 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 16: what's your plan? And I said, well, I'm not sure,

1389
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 16: but I didn't write that to throw it away. I

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01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 16: write that. I wrote that to announce to Cincinnati what

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01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 16: the hell is going on here? And he said, well,

1392
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 16: you got to decide. Are you an next Cincinnati Bengal

1393
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 16: or a broadcaster. Makes your choice, I'll stand behind you

1394
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 16: either way. I went on the air and read the editorial.

1395
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 16: I was very proud of it when I was done.

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01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 16: It was scathing. It was Paul Is trying to do

1397
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 16: to Bill Johnson what Art Modell did to him in Cleveland.

1398
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 16: That is, do things that a general manager should not do.

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01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:41,680
Speaker 16: He shouldn't be bumping the head coach's head and so

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01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 16: on and so forth. I'm done with the editorial calls

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01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 16: program ins. I made a promise to myself that I

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01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 16: was not going to hide from that editorial. So the

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01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 16: next day, I go to practice, and I know what's

1404
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 16: I'm that practice, and I'm know where I'm supposed to

1405
01:18:57,479 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 16: stand and everything, so I got to spend it for you.

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01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 16: So I'm standing on the practice field when the team

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01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 16: and the coaches take the field, with Homer Rice as

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01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 16: the head coach. I don't see Paul, I don't see Mike.

1409
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:13,679
Speaker 16: I do see the equipment man and the trainer. Everybody

1410
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 16: comes out. I'm standing there watching practice, and then suddenly

1411
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 16: Paul is right next to me, and he ripped me.

1412
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 16: He absolutely ripped me, and I stood there and took it.

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01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 16: I said, Paul, there's nothing I said in that editorial

1414
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 16: last night that's untrue. You know that I don't like

1415
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 16: what you did. I don't know how this is going

1416
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 16: to work. The effect on the players on this team

1417
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 16: is going to be terrible. And I stand by what

1418
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:50,640
Speaker 16: I said. And the practice ins and then kickers are

1419
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 16: out there kicking, and so practice has extended a little bit.

1420
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 16: And for some reason, Bo Harris, a linebacker on the team,

1421
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 16: walks by me and he says, you know what, Trump,

1422
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 16: we didn't accomplish much today except for counting that Paul

1423
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 16: stuck his finger in your face. One hundred and four

1424
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:17,599
Speaker 16: times and he walks in. So after the practice is over,

1425
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:22,480
Speaker 16: everybody leaves and everybody's shaking their head at me. And

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01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 16: I went down the rest of the week, and that

1427
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 16: was on Tuesday. I went Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. I don't

1428
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 16: know who they played on Saturday, but I was not

1429
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 16: going to be labeled as an assassin as a sniper.

1430
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 16: So that changed everything in my broadcast career. I didn't

1431
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 16: know where it was going, I didn't know how it

1432
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 16: was going to unfold, but at that point my whole

1433
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 16: outlook on broadcasting changed for the positive. I took on

1434
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 16: the big guy. I meant what I said. I didn't

1435
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 16: make anything up.

1436
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,600
Speaker 3: Bob Trumpy and a story he told me back in

1437
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen on the Tales of Sports talk show, we

1438
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 3: did one night I could squeeze in one move, four

1439
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,719
Speaker 3: to the bottom of the AAR. I mentioned Bob Knight.

1440
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 3: Listen to Trumpy tell the story of having Bob Knight

1441
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 3: on one night and keeping him for the entire hour.

1442
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 3: Here's Trumpy.

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01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 16: I played high school basketball. I thought I was pretty good.

1444
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 16: Was recruited by a few colleges, so I thought I

1445
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 16: knew a lot about basketball, and I used to talk

1446
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 16: about Indiana and this is when Ken Benson.

1447
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 3: And Quinn Buckner.

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01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jim Ferguson, who was the PR director

1449
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 16: for the Cincinnati Red, was a longtime friend of Bobby Knight.

1450
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 16: Apparently Fergie called Bob Knight and told Knight, you know

1451
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 16: you got a big fan over here in this trumpet.

1452
01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 16: Gad it's doing the sports talk show. And uh, I

1453
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:05,560
Speaker 16: get a call one day, uh, one day this week, Uh,

1454
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 16: would you like to have Bobby Knight on? And it

1455
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 16: was somebody at Indiana And I said this is a joke,

1456
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 16: and uh, they said, no, it's not a joke. Jim

1457
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 16: Ferguson informed by coach Knight and would you like to

1458
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 16: have them on? Hell? Yes, So you know what I did.

1459
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 16: I canceled all commercials.

1460
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 3: Only power to cancel all commercials.

1461
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 16: I had that ability to cancel all commercials. So Bobby

1462
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 16: Knight was on for an hour commercial free. No, he

1463
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 16: was absolutely wrong. No news, no weather, no nothing, no commercials.

1464
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:42,719
Speaker 16: He was on for an hour.

1465
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:48,679
Speaker 3: Unbelievable. Let's get a check on news when we come

1466
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 3: back a night that if you were listening, you'll never

1467
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 3: forget Bob never. He in telling this story to me,

1468
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 3: he got emotional and broke down. It was then night

1469
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 3: he kept a caller on the line who was threatening

1470
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 3: to take her own life. You'll hear him tell that

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Speaker 3: story as we continue. After I check on news with

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Speaker 3: Arnel Carrier. Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet, seven hundred WLW. Hey, Gary,

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01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:19,919
Speaker 3: Jeff Walker is in at nine. He's got the nightcap

1474
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 3: served up nine to midnight. I'm back at you tomorrow

1475
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 3: after Red's Hot Stove the return of the Red's Hot

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01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 3: Stove League Show six o'clock tomorrow night. Here on seven

1477
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 3: hundred WLW. I will follow from seven to nine o'clock.

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01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 3: We are remembering and paying tribute to the godfather of

1479
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 3: sports talk, the Bengals legend, the broadcast pioneer, the sad

1480
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 3: passing of Bob Trumpy over the weekend. Let's grab some

1481
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 3: more memories and stories and Anderson. Hey, Gary, Welcome to

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01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 3: Sports Talk.

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01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,640
Speaker 14: By Lance. This is a great tribute to Trump. Thank you,

1484
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:53,840
Speaker 14: Nic you do this.

1485
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 3: Thank you.

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01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 14: I There's a lot of series stories and a lot

1487
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 14: of great When I have kind of a anecdote, it

1488
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:08,600
Speaker 14: goes to what I thought, how genuine Bob was and

1489
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 14: always admired him as a player and what he accomplished

1490
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 14: as a broadcaster. But when he was first starting his

1491
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:20,879
Speaker 14: sports talk show, he would joke about his studio audience

1492
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:27,759
Speaker 14: and he had his producer Fringers fuller if they're ready,

1493
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:32,840
Speaker 14: and would always have things going on with these supposed

1494
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 14: studio audience. So one day a friend of mine and

1495
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 14: I decided to call Bob and it said can we

1496
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 14: come down and be part of the studio audience? And

1497
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 14: and he said, absolutely, come on down, six o'clock. Here's

1498
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 14: where you go. We went in tiny studio and there

1499
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 14: was Bob. He could not have been more gracious and

1500
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 14: changed smoke yea and drank coffee through the whole. It

1501
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 14: was fascinating to watching Warwick along with his producer, And

1502
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 14: again it just goes to how genuine he really was,

1503
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 14: because he certainly didn't have to do that and let

1504
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 14: us come in because the whole thing was a gag.

1505
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:23,680
Speaker 3: Anyway, Oh, what a great story. Oh I love that.

1506
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 3: I love that. Thank you for sharing you, Bet.

1507
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 14: I appreciate being on and what you're doing tonight.

1508
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 3: You got it. Thank you. I appreciate you listening tonight.

1509
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 3: And I even haven't even had time. I wanted to

1510
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 3: play a clip, but I don't have time for it tonight.

1511
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 3: At least of the whole origin of his hot Fldge

1512
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:45,639
Speaker 3: Sunday bets. He would make bets with callers on games

1513
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:47,640
Speaker 3: and it was for a hot Fledge Sunday and he

1514
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 3: would pay him off when the studios were in Mount

1515
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:53,719
Speaker 3: Adams at the UDF. You go down to the lobby

1516
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 3: of the station and directly across the street was the

1517
01:25:56,280 --> 01:26:00,040
Speaker 3: UDF and that's where he paid off or got the

1518
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 3: the hot Fudge Sundays that were part of the part

1519
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 3: of sports talk in Western Hills. Hey Rick, welcome to

1520
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 3: seven hundred WLW.

1521
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 7: Hey Lance, how are you doing tonight?

1522
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 3: I'm well, thank you for calling.

1523
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 4: So here's my story.

1524
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 19: Yes, we had a group of six to ten couples

1525
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 19: who would go to Indian Rock Speech in the spring.

1526
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 4: And make our way to Al Lopez for a spring

1527
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 4: training game or two or five two and Trump would

1528
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:39,600
Speaker 4: do sports talk on a weekly basis.

1529
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 3: From the pool side incredible.

1530
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 7: At the Intercontmental Hotel.

1531
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 19: Incredible, which I don't I don't think it's any longer there.

1532
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:51,959
Speaker 19: But one of one of our one of the nameless

1533
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:59,600
Speaker 19: kids who who was very athletic somehow climbed the tree

1534
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 19: over the top of Trumpy when.

1535
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 7: He was interviewing Dick Wagner. And he was.

1536
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 4: Distracted incredibly by this by this ten year old kid

1537
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:16,560
Speaker 4: and the tree right above where he was broadcasting.

1538
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 7: And they went to a break.

1539
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 4: And Truppy said, can you get the damn monkey out

1540
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:31,879
Speaker 4: of the tree. And security came in and moved us along,

1541
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 4: and he was so gracious.

1542
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 7: You know. We had the kid go up.

1543
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 4: And apologize to him during the commercial break, and it

1544
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 4: was all was good, but it was he was interviewing

1545
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 4: Dick Wagner.

1546
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:55,639
Speaker 3: Oh, I've never heard that story. That is a great story.

1547
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 4: I don't think the Intercontinental is there anymore.

1548
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:03,599
Speaker 7: But it was a fabulous setting for sports talk.

1549
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 4: And then Bob Herzog, who was a competitor on another station,

1550
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 4: after doing the Trumpy interview, went to Herzog's room to

1551
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 4: do his interview on his sports talk show, and we

1552
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 4: followed and knocked on the door, tried to talk to

1553
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 4: Dick Wagner, but he wouldn't talk to us.

1554
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 3: Fash What a great story. Thank you for sharing the story,

1555
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 3: Thank you for listening tonight.

1556
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:38,559
Speaker 7: Thank you all right.

1557
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 3: I love that I never heard that story before. Here

1558
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 3: is one that this night. It is still thinking back,

1559
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 3: hard to fathom what happened and how Bob Trump he

1560
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 3: handled it. You were going to hear him explain the

1561
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 3: story of the night a caller was threatening to take

1562
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 3: her own life and Bob kept her on the line.

1563
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 3: Here is that story, as told to me on the

1564
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 3: show we did tales from Sports Talk a number of

1565
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 3: years ago. Take a listen. I remember this and I

1566
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 3: remember listening to this night. I want to see November

1567
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:22,600
Speaker 3: of nineteen eighty three and the emotions of dealing with

1568
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 3: a female caller. I believe she was the first caller

1569
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 3: of the night. Her name was Sugar, and she was

1570
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 3: threatening to take her life and.

1571
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 16: She called you No. She called Doug Kidd, who is.

1572
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 3: The producer who answered that first person answered the line.

1573
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 16: Here's the way it happened. We're three three Hpoor Street.

1574
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 16: We got about two or three minutes before the show

1575
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 16: starts and Doug comes. I put my head, He motions

1576
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 16: and I put my head set on and he said, uh, listen,

1577
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:54,679
Speaker 16: there's this lady on the I got on the phone.

1578
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 16: She called me about ten or fifteen minutes ago, and

1579
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 16: she's in trouble, and I don't know what to do.

1580
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,559
Speaker 16: I don't know what we should do, but I don't

1581
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 16: want to hang up. That's the smartest thing that anybody

1582
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:12,439
Speaker 16: did that night. So I told put her in with me.

1583
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 16: I put my head set on and I start talking

1584
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 16: to this lady. This is on the air. Off at

1585
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 16: this point, No, this is off the air. It's like

1586
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 16: ninety seconds before six o'clock, so it's not on the air.

1587
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 16: So I start talking to this lady. And I still

1588
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:33,760
Speaker 16: don't know her name, but I named her Sugar, just

1589
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 16: so I can talk to her. And I start talking,

1590
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 16: and two and a half hours go by, and I

1591
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 16: was so concentrating on dealing with this lady that I

1592
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 16: was not paying attention to what was going on around me.

1593
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 16: And I frankly had no idea that ninety seconds had

1594
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 16: expired and that we were live on the air. I

1595
01:30:56,320 --> 01:31:00,320
Speaker 16: didn't know that. And then I looked up and I'd

1596
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:04,080
Speaker 16: say there were half a dozen Cincinnati police officers in

1597
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 16: with Doug. And I looked up and I thought, wait

1598
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:12,719
Speaker 16: a minute, what is this? And then they started putting

1599
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 16: notes up on the window. Don't put her in hold,

1600
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 16: don't hang up, I'll keep talking. So I just kept

1601
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:26,479
Speaker 16: doing that. I've never listened to it. It still makes

1602
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:30,520
Speaker 16: me emotional. I mean, every night you talk to somebody,

1603
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 16: and some night you're the only person that person talks to.

1604
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 16: And that's the feeling I got from this lady. And

1605
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 16: then I look up and my wife is standing there

1606
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 16: with her best friend. And I didn't know what I

1607
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:50,559
Speaker 16: was doing except having a conversation with this woman. And

1608
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:56,679
Speaker 16: finally her son picked up the phone. Her son walked

1609
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:59,160
Speaker 16: in on her. I don't know if he was listening

1610
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 16: to the show. I have no clue. I still don't

1611
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 16: know her name. I've never listened to the show. I

1612
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 16: can't tell you how long it lasted, but it was

1613
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 16: somewhere around two and a half hours. I didn't know

1614
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 16: when I was done for the evening, if it had

1615
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 16: been broadcast or not. Doug was still sitting there, all

1616
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:23,639
Speaker 16: the policemen were there, my wife was there, her best

1617
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 16: friend was there at the time, and I just kind

1618
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:37,240
Speaker 16: of collapsed physically and mentally. And she was rescued. I

1619
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:40,479
Speaker 16: don't I think the police showed up, found out where

1620
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 16: she was, and I don't know if she's fine. I

1621
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 16: don't know if she lasted a week, a month, another year,

1622
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:48,719
Speaker 16: if she's still see.

1623
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 3: You from that moment, you never had another conversation or met.

1624
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 16: Her, No, no, or received a letter or anything. I

1625
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:03,719
Speaker 16: can't remember a word I said, except for naming her Sugar.

1626
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:05,719
Speaker 16: She had a dog with her whose name was Sugar.

1627
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:08,240
Speaker 16: I said, can I call you Sugar? As I remember.

1628
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 16: That's all I remember that conversation. I don't know. For

1629
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 16: the life of me, I can't remember, and I frankly,

1630
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:20,479
Speaker 16: I really don't want to know. All I remember is

1631
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:24,400
Speaker 16: at the end of it was I was talking to her,

1632
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 16: and then suddenly another voice came on the phone, and

1633
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 16: I said, who is this? And it was I'm her son.

1634
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:36,839
Speaker 16: Your mom needs help.

1635
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 3: This month back in nineteen eighty three, what what an

1636
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:51,920
Speaker 3: evening on sports talk. I can't even imagine handling the

1637
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 3: way he did that night. Let's take a time. I'll

1638
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:58,439
Speaker 3: come back, head downstretch, put the wraps on it, and

1639
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:01,360
Speaker 3: get you ready for the night cap with Gary Jeff Walker.

1640
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 3: It is eight forty seven. This is RNL Carrier Sports

1641
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 3: Talk presented by Kelsey Chervallet on seven hundred WLW. Al

1642
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:13,479
Speaker 3: Right down the stretch we go. Gary Jeff Walker's in

1643
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:17,080
Speaker 3: the house. He's already in the studio to go on

1644
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 3: tonight at nine six here on seven hundred WLW. By

1645
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:26,200
Speaker 3: the way, the initial twelve team college Football playoff projections

1646
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 3: are at the the bracket in the twenty five The

1647
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:33,800
Speaker 3: initial rankings and then the projected twelve team bracket for

1648
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 3: the playoff field looks as follows. Your number one team

1649
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:41,800
Speaker 3: in the college football playoff projections. Ohio State is one,

1650
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 3: Indiana is two, So the Big ten lands one in

1651
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 3: two at three Texas A, and M at four Alabama.

1652
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 3: This is the way the bracket. UC did not land

1653
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 3: in the top twenty five. They play BYU coming up

1654
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:03,519
Speaker 3: at KNIPPERD BYUS seven. U see's off this weekend, then

1655
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 3: BYU BYU and Texas Tech play this week That is

1656
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:12,200
Speaker 3: number seven BYU versus number eight Texas Tech in the

1657
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:15,559
Speaker 3: college Football playoff rankings. This is the way the bracket

1658
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:19,280
Speaker 3: looks at the moment. One seed Ohio State would play

1659
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:24,040
Speaker 3: the winner of eight Texas Tech versus nine Oregon. Two.

1660
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:27,800
Speaker 3: Indiana would play the winner of seven BYU versus ten

1661
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:32,400
Speaker 3: Notre Dame three Texas A, and M gets the winner

1662
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:38,360
Speaker 3: of six Ole Miss and number eleven Virginia and number

1663
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:42,240
Speaker 3: four seed is Alabama, Bama getting the winner of five

1664
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:47,439
Speaker 3: seed Georgia versus twelve seed Memphis. So again your top

1665
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:51,280
Speaker 3: four seeds Ohio State one, Indiana two, Texas A and

1666
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:55,040
Speaker 3: M three. Alabama is four U seed does not make

1667
01:35:55,080 --> 01:36:00,120
Speaker 3: the initial top twenty five rankings in the college football playoff.

1668
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 3: I think that is enough from there. Let's see what else.

1669
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:13,479
Speaker 3: Louisville's in at fifteen, Michigan in at twenty one, and

1670
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 3: see if there's any other area teams that I'm missing

1671
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:20,759
Speaker 3: or regional teams that would be it the college football

1672
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:23,639
Speaker 3: Top twenty five playoff bracket. All right, let me give

1673
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:26,160
Speaker 3: you one more to round out the night from the

1674
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 3: conversation I had with Bob a few years ago about

1675
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:32,600
Speaker 3: the history of sports talk, and I asked him to

1676
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:36,440
Speaker 3: kind of sum it all up. Here's part of that conversation.

1677
01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:40,880
Speaker 3: Could you have ever imagined the first time he turned

1678
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:44,080
Speaker 3: on the microphone doing this for sports talk nineteen seventy six?

1679
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:47,240
Speaker 3: Could you have ever imagined that sports talk would turn

1680
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 3: out the way it did in that run?

1681
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:54,240
Speaker 16: You had no, absolutely not, And don't just include sports talk.

1682
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 16: I mean, I'm a kid from the middle of Illinois

1683
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 16: raising a town often hundred people, and I can put

1684
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:04,720
Speaker 16: on my resume a lot of things, and one of

1685
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:07,080
Speaker 16: the things I'm most proud of I got to play

1686
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:13,800
Speaker 16: golf with Neil Armstrong. Huh and Jesse Owens. How about that.

1687
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:17,680
Speaker 16: That's a long way from Tremont, Illinois, And however I

1688
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 16: got there, I enjoyed every minute. The only downside the

1689
01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:24,880
Speaker 16: time I had to be away from the family in

1690
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:29,840
Speaker 16: television and my two sons growing up here in Cincinnati

1691
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:33,160
Speaker 16: when I'm on the radio. They had to defend me

1692
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:39,799
Speaker 16: every day in school and there were some punches thrown

1693
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:45,840
Speaker 16: from my son sons out about what I said the

1694
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:47,800
Speaker 16: night before on the radio. Those are the only two

1695
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 16: downsides I've ever found. All that I've ever done, I

1696
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:55,640
Speaker 16: can accept the rest. Don't take on my kids, and

1697
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:59,000
Speaker 16: just remember I played golf with Neil Armstrong.

1698
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 2: I see Owens? Are you serious?

1699
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:09,639
Speaker 3: Bob Trumpy from Tales of Sports Talk a few years ago? Man?

1700
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:14,519
Speaker 3: And am I gonna miss him? Thank you for sharing

1701
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:17,280
Speaker 3: the stories tonight, and I hope you enjoyed the stories

1702
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:19,400
Speaker 3: I was able to share. From our conversation, I got

1703
01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:23,960
Speaker 3: a feeling we'll probably put that back together for last year.

1704
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:27,200
Speaker 3: We did it as like a Christmas Eve special Christmas

1705
01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:29,080
Speaker 3: Eve edition of Sports Talk. We may have run it

1706
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:31,400
Speaker 3: on New Year's but I think we'll probably run that

1707
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:33,840
Speaker 3: again as a special edition of Sports Talk, depending on

1708
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:37,599
Speaker 3: the programming windows around the holidays. All of those stories

1709
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 3: together in one night. A couple of notes I'm looking

1710
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:44,639
Speaker 3: at on Twitter. Congrats to the Baiden Rams girls soccer.

1711
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 3: They win one nil, one nothing over. Hobin. Baden will

1712
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:53,839
Speaker 3: play the winner of Bay Village and Granville on Saturday

1713
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:57,680
Speaker 3: at one o'clock at Cruse Stadium for the state championship.

1714
01:38:57,720 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 3: Congratulations and a couple of things on this date, let's

1715
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:08,160
Speaker 3: see ooh this a note from the college football playoffs tonight.

1716
01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:10,639
Speaker 3: Ohio State is in at number one in the initial rankings.

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Speaker 3: Only two number one teams in the first college football

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01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 3: playoff rankings have gone on to win the national championship

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01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 3: recent though twenty twenty Alabama twenty twenty one Georgia. Those

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01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:25,639
Speaker 3: were the team's number one initially when the polls came out,

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01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:30,040
Speaker 3: and winners of the national championship. All right, on this

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Speaker 3: date in sports history, just a couple of notes. Nineteen

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01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 3: seventy six baseball really changed forever. The first free agent

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01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:41,559
Speaker 3: draft took place. Twenty four players were available from thirteen

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01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:45,599
Speaker 3: different teams. Two years later, the free agency period began

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01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:49,880
Speaker 3: opening up that night, with Pete Rose leading the way

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01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:55,000
Speaker 3: after a world win recruitment. By what the Cardinals and

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01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:57,640
Speaker 3: the Braves and the Pirates and the Cardinals were going

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01:39:57,720 --> 01:40:01,800
Speaker 3: to give you like brewery, The Braves are gonna give

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01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 3: him like stock in, like tbs. The Pirates are gonna

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01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:08,960
Speaker 3: give him race horses. Pete wound up signing, obviously, with

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01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 3: the Philadelphia Phillies. This date, nineteen eighty, Japan's all time

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01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:17,080
Speaker 3: home run hitter Sadahara retired from professional baseball. The first

1734
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:19,880
Speaker 3: baseman hit a record eight hundred and sixty eight home

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01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:23,439
Speaker 3: runs in his twenty two year career in Japan. And

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Speaker 3: on this date, twenty ten, Sperky Anderson passed away at

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01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 3: the age of seventy six in Thousand Oaks, California. You know,

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01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:36,880
Speaker 3: one of the most amazing stats about Sparky's career. Nine

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01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:42,719
Speaker 3: years as Reds manager, seventeen as the Tigers manager. Wow,

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Speaker 3: all right, I wish I had more time. I don't

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Speaker 3: Thanks to Joe Wadell for producing. Hope you enjoyed tonight.

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Speaker 3: I very much appreciate you listening. Let's do it tomorrow

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01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:54,160
Speaker 3: night after Red's Hot Stove. I've got you seven to nine,

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Speaker 3: stick around Gary, Jeff Walker's got the nightcap after News.

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Speaker 3: This has been RNL Carrier sports Stock presented by Kelsey

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Speaker 3: Chevalet seven hundred W out of you