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Speaker 2: Four o'clock hour of the Friday Football Beast on the

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Speaker 2: afternoon Ardvark, it's the calm before the storm of the

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Speaker 2: so Sunday sermons might be interesting, it might turn into

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Speaker 2: and Lavelle is scheduled four five point thirty this evening.

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Speaker 2: Quick update on the Bam out of Bio story. He

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Speaker 2: who scored, of course, eighty three points out of nowhere

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Speaker 2: the other night off of the Washington Wizards one of

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Speaker 2: those teams opening openly attempting to tang although they have

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Speaker 2: not been fined for it yet. And the head coach

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Speaker 2: of the Miami Heat is long time, very successful, highly

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Speaker 2: respected Eric Spolstram and I think yesterday, and that's another story.

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Speaker 2: We didn't have really time to advance on day two,

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Speaker 2: do with all the blowback the Heat have received regarding

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Speaker 2: their own efforts to get them ultimately past the Kobe

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Speaker 2: a mockery late and Miami's foling to get the ball back.

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Speaker 2: They're keeping him in to the the I think they

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Speaker 2: sat him with like about a minute ago. And uh,

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Speaker 2: there's the other part of it, which you know, is

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Speaker 2: he's been a decent score but he's not really a

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Speaker 2: I apologize for nothing. He's got nothing to apologize for.

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Speaker 2: And this branch of the discussion that has to do

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Speaker 2: with people who have raised Kobe Bryant to an exalted place.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what to say to them. I

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Speaker 2: don't this notion that the heat and or Bam who

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Speaker 2: he didn't to ensure that he stopped before he ended

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Speaker 2: up with more points than Kobe beyond insulting, as far

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Speaker 2: as I'm concerned, makes no sense whatsoever, not in the

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Speaker 2: real world. If you find yourself in the unlikely situation

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Speaker 2: that he did, no way it could have been predicted,

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Speaker 2: given especially the fact that you know he ends up

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Speaker 2: But if you somehow, for whatever reason, the forces come together,

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Speaker 2: including the fact that you're playing a team that you

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Speaker 2: in the NBA, your job is to maximize it. And

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Speaker 2: if I think he had at the half, like I

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Speaker 2: want to say, he was over forty, and so once

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Speaker 2: that happens, the wheels are in motion. No matter what

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Speaker 2: your intention might be or might have been, going into

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Speaker 2: the hell out of this. This is we're not going

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Speaker 2: to be here again. This isn't not going to happen twice,

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Speaker 2: So let's do it. Do you run the risk of

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Speaker 2: making a basketball game eventually feel a little bit like

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Speaker 2: a circus. Yes, but that has often happened with high

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Speaker 2: We weren't focused on them to the same degree. Did

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Speaker 2: it make any sense the approach that the Wizards took

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Speaker 2: following him as often as they did, No, did? It

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Speaker 2: was Miami then in a position where they felt like

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Speaker 2: So I'm with us Bolstrom. I don't think he has

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Speaker 2: anything to apologize for at all. It's not the obligation

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Speaker 2: hurt feelings of what a certain number represents in a

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Speaker 2: That's not what competition is about. You have that opportunity,

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Speaker 2: And to suggest that it's something somehow disrespectful that we quoted,

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Speaker 2: not contrary to everything that sports is supposed to be about,

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Speaker 2: it's the Wizards, but there have been a lot of

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Speaker 2: So the notion that you know, having get another player

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Speaker 2: It's absolutely ridiculous. You play it out as funky as

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Speaker 2: the game. But the idea that was should have been

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Speaker 2: he could have get he could get hurt. Nobody in

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Speaker 2: the old Seals and Crofts song. We may never pass

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Speaker 2: this way again. You may not be old enough to

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Speaker 2: remember the song, but the lyric you can, I think

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Speaker 2: relate to. I'm sure that's what the heat we're thinking

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Speaker 2: this is. This is kind of now that we're in this,

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Speaker 2: this is kind of fun. We know we're doing it

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Speaker 2: against a joke of a franchise, but we're still playing.

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Speaker 2: The game still counts. He's on he's on a heater,

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna we're gonna play it up and we're

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Speaker 2: not gonna apologize for it. He's as I said, I

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Speaker 2: think he's one hundred percent correct. I think there's any problem,

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Speaker 2: I've talked a lot about performance politics. This is this

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Speaker 2: to show how sensitive you are to the Kobe Bryant

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Speaker 2: can't pass him for a single game scoring mark. Come on,

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Speaker 2: I still believe that that should be insulting to the

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Speaker 2: As weird as this sounds, this topic comes up with

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Speaker 2: Bill gharan on enough said tonight, and again Bill Gharran

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Speaker 2: didn't even about this particular controversy, But like with everything,

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Speaker 2: speaking to the more general philosophical question about when you're

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Speaker 2: supposed to quit and when you're not. And it's another

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Speaker 3: Dan.

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Speaker 2: I heard last night that Sam Mitchell was the Toronto

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Speaker 2: to hear you ask him about that night. If you

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Speaker 2: haven't already, I missed it. That's producer instinct right there.

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Speaker 2: Seven to sixty three. Guy. It's a great observation, and

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Speaker 2: in fact, I have been trying for the last couple

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna still play this pretty honestly. Maybe send a

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Speaker 2: Nine to five to two. Guy Dan, don't think. I

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Speaker 2: don't think Spolstra has to apologize for anything. But let's

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Speaker 2: be honest. The Heat were fouling the other team when

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Speaker 2: he was still scoring in the game, the game was over.

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Speaker 2: It might not have been as over as the Wizard's game.

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Speaker 2: think it was effectively over. I mentioned what the Heat

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Speaker 2: to this. For Spolstra, it opened the door to Okay,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna do shenanigans. We'll do some shenanigans too, because

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Speaker 2: we're gonna we want to we want to have give

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Speaker 2: Let me make this clear. I will defend a team's

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Speaker 2: That's the difference, and then I'm not gonna rip them

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Speaker 2: if they decide to keep going for it. That's the difference.

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Speaker 2: All the best monikers are taking, Guy Dan, you insult

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Speaker 2: Brian's legacy, Bryant's legacy if you don't go for it,

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Speaker 2: which is exactly what we talked about either yesterday, I

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Speaker 2: That is the insult. I'm in the bunch that did

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Speaker 2: All right, it is indeed time for our weekly visit

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Speaker 2: I don't think we're gonna be talking anywhere marathon running today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's there's some similarities there. I mean marathons,

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Speaker 3: to be integrity in that competition, and it would probably

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00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 3: undermine that a little bit if they said this guy

432
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 3: has the job. I mean, I suppose somebody could always

433
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 3: take the job, but I think they want it to

434
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 3: be enough of an open competition that if you declare

435
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 3: it now, it probably doesn't become that. But yeah, I

436
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 3: think the fact that you bring Kyler Murray in in

437
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 3: knowing his experience, and also Kyler Murray looking at the

438
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 3: situation and saying I want to go here, I have

439
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: to think there's an understanding of his part that I'm

440
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 3: going to have a good chance to be the starter.

441
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: I'm going to have a chance to be the guy.

442
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 3: So yes, I would expect that if he plays well,

443
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 3: if he handles things well in training camp, that he

444
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 3: will be the guy when they lace it up, you know,

445
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 3: mid September. I think it ends up being this year.

446
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 3: But yes, I think everything would point that direction, and

447
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: it just some of the things he talked about, the

448
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 3: ways they wanted to use him, They certainly have thought

449
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 3: through what their offense would look like with him at

450
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 3: the center of it. So yeah, I would think as

451
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 3: we sit here at this point that my money would

452
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 3: be on him being the starter.

453
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 2: The you know, the assumption. Also, I guess I shouldn't

454
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: say it's an assumption, because I don't know that we

455
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: can assume anything at this point. Is with some of

456
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: the other changes that have been made to the staff

457
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: and now this move that the coordinator, I should say,

458
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: the head coach, who I think of as the coordinator

459
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: because it's his offense, obviously, is going to have to

460
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: do some things that perhaps he's never been willing to

461
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: do before, perhaps even for JJ McCarthy, if now that

462
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: he's on the clock to a certain extent at the

463
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: quarterback position, is going to give himself the best chance

464
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: to redeem Kyler Murray? Do you agree? Yeah?

465
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: I do. I think it was very interesting yesterday. I

466
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 3: asked him kind of the first question of the press

467
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 3: conference about how he will fit in this offense, and

468
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 3: he talked about some of the throws he's made in

469
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: the pocket, and he's done some things under center, and

470
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 3: you know, not a ton of that, but he's like,

471
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 3: there are reps that would match up with what we

472
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 3: see in our offense. But then he also talked about

473
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: the ways that people have covered Justin Jefferson and the

474
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 3: issues they've run into trying to get Justin Jefferson open.

475
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 3: He sounded more open to the idea of a running

476
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 3: quarterback giving defenses something else to think about than he

477
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 3: has in the past. I mean, I don't think they've

478
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 3: ever discouraged it, but I don't think it's something they've

479
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 3: wanted to build their offense around. And I think there

480
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: are probably different grades of this. I don't think they're

481
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: going to go to a read option team or anything

482
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: like that and you know, start featuring that in the offense.

483
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 3: But I do think it was interesting yesterday to hear

484
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 3: a little more openness to that, a little more intrigue

485
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 3: about what that could do for the offense, because he

486
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 3: has had to try to solve that problem of how

487
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 3: do you deal with the fact that everybody wants to

488
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 3: take Justin Jefferson away for a very long time. And

489
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,719
Speaker 3: it doesn't really seem like they've completely hacked that. I mean,

490
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 3: they've had moments of it, and certainly with more experienced

491
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: quarterbacks they've done a better job with it. But I

492
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: think they feel like we need to do some different things,

493
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 3: possibly to change the mass for a defense, and Frank

494
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 3: Smitz probably brings some different things in a different voice,

495
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 3: different ideas into this offense too. I do think that's

496
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 3: going to have an effect on what they do. But

497
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: I just thought it was when he's talking about the

498
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 3: connection between Conlin Murray's mobility and Justin Jefferson benefiting from it.

499
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 3: I just thought it was very interesting because I imagine

500
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 3: he spent a fair amount of time, you know, going

501
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 3: over tape and grading through things and saying, how could

502
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 3: this work? And that being the conclusion he came to.

503
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 3: I can't imagine was one he came to just kind

504
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 3: of as an off the cuff thing. I have to

505
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 3: think that's something he thought about quite a bit.

506
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've had a chance yet, it's

507
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: early right to do the deep dive on really fleshing

508
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: out a lot of the Murray numbers. For example, how

509
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: much of the time he's under center, how much of

510
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: the time he's in the gun. I thought I heard

511
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: Pa say today, and I don't know how many years

512
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: this goes back when he started to go under center

513
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: more often, that there was one season in which he

514
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: had some success doing it although he was only under center.

515
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: I thought he said like fifty four times. Maybe it

516
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: was a little bit more than that. Do we know,

517
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: like in recent years what that you know, breakdown is

518
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: he's still a guy who largely has been playing from

519
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 2: the shotgun because I don't think this head coach, right,

520
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: a lot of his bread and butter stuff is what

521
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: it's play action stuff. It's it's sprinting out stuff, right,

522
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: it's it's boots, the whole bit. Do we have a

523
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: handle yet on that and how that might play out here?

524
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I haven't done the full deep dive

525
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 3: on Kyler, but I will say I mean they want

526
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: a lot of play action. They want things they're going

527
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 3: to look the same run or pass, and that's easier

528
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: to do under center. I mean, you can run out

529
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 3: of a gun too, and they have and they will

530
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 3: continue to do that. But yeah, I think they want

531
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: a fair amount of under center stuff to make the

532
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: play action happen. But you look back at Sam Donald,

533
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 3: Dam Donald was in the gun quite a bit, so

534
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: I think they have figured out how they can make

535
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 3: some of these concepts play in a shotgun set. I

536
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: imagine we'll see some pistol stuff with Kyler Murray too,

537
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 3: because that has been part of what he's done in

538
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 3: the past. And I think you can kind of you

539
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 3: can play some things off of that that have a

540
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: little more of it. It's kind of hybrid under center

541
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 3: versus shotgun field. It's obviously halfway in the middle. So

542
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: I think they'll work some of those things in as well.

543
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, they've had enough gun stuff in

544
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,239
Speaker 3: their playbook in the past, particularly with Donald, that I

545
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 3: would think some of that will feel fairly familiar. I

546
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 3: think there'll be some new things for Kyler to do, too,

547
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 3: But I think as they went through this, they saw

548
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 3: enough that they could grab on to, at least as

549
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: a jumping off point that didn't seem like it was

550
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 3: going to be completely out of control to try to

551
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: make him learn a whole new set of rules and techniques.

552
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: Here, here's another one of the fascinating mysteries moving forward

553
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: that will need to be solved. If you're going to,

554
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: in my view, get the best out of what Murray

555
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: might represent, you know a lot of what's largely been

556
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: in a situation, you know, a circumstance that this team

557
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: there's no way they ever thought they were going to

558
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: be in this spot once they drafted JJ McCarthy, and

559
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: that is his run ability. Because there are some people

560
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 2: who say, if if you're going to get the best

561
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: out of what given some of his limitations, Murray represents

562
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: running has to be a part of it, because that

563
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: is something that he does well. And the league, as

564
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: you know, has gone through a bit of a transition.

565
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 2: There was a long stretch where it was can't run

566
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: in this league at a quarterback. You're gonna get killed.

567
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: It's inevitable. The players are too fast, they're too powerful.

568
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: So don't you know if you want to run around

569
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: to buy more time to throw, fine, but you just

570
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: can't run that much. Then it seems like more recently

571
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: we had some running quarterbacks come and say, you know,

572
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: these days, it's got to be part of it. You

573
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 2: got to be smart, and you obviously are some half

574
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 2: of the time praying if you have a running quarterback,

575
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 2: but you can't not use that asset. And I don't

576
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 2: know how he feels about that asset, how they feel.

577
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: And then of course you have to factor in he

578
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: has had an injury history too, So where do how

579
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: do we thread that particular needle. If you feel like

580
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 2: Kyler does have some limitations as a passer, maybe over

581
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 2: the middle consistency, you know, some of it is okay, Well,

582
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 2: what does he do well? Well, the truth is, if

583
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: you can get him to run, you know, for fifty

584
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: sixty five yards a game and maybe a little bit

585
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: more in some games, you got something that also can

586
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: add and maybe sort of offset some of the concerns

587
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: and some aspects of the passing game. You have any

588
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: sense of where that goes with this.

589
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 3: Team, Well, I think there are going to be kind

590
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: of degrees of this. I do think they're going to

591
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 3: incorporate his mobility, and some of that can be they

592
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 3: I think the Cardinals ran a lot of sprint out

593
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 3: type concepts where you're rolling him to one side and

594
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 3: it becomes more of a half yield read and that

595
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 3: kind of a concept. I think there will be some things.

596
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 3: There'll probably be some design stuff for him too, some

597
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 3: probably some zone read stuff, but I don't know that

598
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 3: you'll see them put the ball in his hands as

599
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 3: the main option a heavy amount of the time. I

600
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 3: think there's going to be a lot of plays where

601
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 3: they will tell him, if you feel like you can

602
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 3: get eight to ten yards pick up a first down

603
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 3: with your legs, go do that. I mean, I think

604
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 3: that's very much going to be part of what they do.

605
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 3: And the other piece of that is if he can

606
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 3: extend plays and you're now having to cover Justin Jefferson

607
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 3: for a longer stretch of time, that is a problem

608
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 3: for defenses as well. So I think all of those

609
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 3: things they want to use to stress defenses, I think

610
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 3: there's going to be a balance of do you make

611
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 3: it something that's an option for him at the end

612
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 3: of a play to possibly extend or pick up a

613
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 3: first down, or do you say we are going in

614
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 3: with you as the primary ballcarrier on this play. I

615
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 3: don't know that we're going to see a ton of

616
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 3: the ladder of those, but I do think they're going

617
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 3: to try to find ways to leverage his mobility and

618
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: leverage all of the things that defenses have to handle

619
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 3: as a result. When you do that, though, you do

620
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 3: run that risk of quarterbacks are now they're the ball

621
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: carrier once they get past the line of scrimmage. The

622
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 3: protections that exist for them even when they get out

623
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 3: of the pocket, the protections don't exist the same way

624
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 3: through the rules that they do when they're sitting in

625
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 3: the pocket and you have penalties for where they get hit.

626
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not the same kind of thing they

627
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 3: have to You have to give themselves up as a

628
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 3: ballcarrier to not get hit, and we've seen JJ McCarthy

629
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 3: dive forward quite a bit. He's actually said it he

630
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: feels like it takes his head out of the possibility

631
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: of getting hit. But we've also seen J McCarthy try

632
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 3: to lower his shoulder. I don't think that's going to

633
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 3: be something they want Patler Murray doing. I think if

634
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 3: you can get out, get eight yards and step out

635
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 3: of bounds before anybody touches you, that is I think

636
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 3: there's an art to that, and it's something we've seen

637
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 3: him do well. I think Patrick Mahomes does that generally

638
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 3: pretty well. So it becomes probably some of those things.

639
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: It's not so much about run it versus don't run it.

640
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 3: It's what does it look like when you do it,

641
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 3: and how do you do it efficiently and safely as

642
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: a piece of your offense that's not going to come

643
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 3: back to buy you.

644
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 2: The I think one of the statistically speaking, Murray's strengths

645
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: is completion percentage. And it's funny because, as you recall

646
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 2: when you get back to earlier this season, a lot

647
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: of the emphasis by koc was the importance of completions.

648
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: We turned it into the power of completions compels you,

649
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 2: and that there is something to be said just completing passes,

650
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 2: even if it's another five yard pass that might turn

651
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 2: into a nine or ten yard play. He does do that.

652
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: I think he's been he's become better at that. I mean,

653
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 2: the early rap on him was, as you know, all

654
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: or nothing, and I sensed the more recent version he

655
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: did try to become a little bit more mature to say,

656
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 2: I maybe I don't have to try for home run

657
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: plays quite as much. Let's just keep completing passes. To me,

658
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: that's something to celebrate and to try to nurture and

659
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: encourage in him. And it was certainly something I know

660
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: they wanted to encourage in JJ McCarthy and were didn't

661
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: get very far. Maybe they got a little bit further

662
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: with it later in the season, but that's on the

663
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: positive side for Murray. That's one of his strengths corrector

664
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: has been.

665
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a lot of quick game stuff that

666
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 3: they've used in recent years, and a lot of those

667
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 3: completions come from those things. And I think if you

668
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 3: have receivers that can run after the catch, that becomes

669
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 3: an even more effective thing. You know, Jordan Addison, a

670
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 3: Shoni can do that. Ty Felton, I think is somebody

671
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 3: they want to use in that capacity. That was part

672
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: of the reason they drafted him as that type of

673
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 3: a receiver. And he's a little bigger than some of

674
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 3: the catch and run guys you'll typically see, but I

675
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 3: think they believe there is some of that to his game,

676
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 3: and I wouldn't be surprised if they try to leverage

677
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 3: some of that with Kyler Murray and obviously Justin Jefferson

678
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 3: is a different type. But if you can get him

679
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 3: touches and give him a chance to use his size,

680
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 3: use his ability to shift gears in the middle of

681
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 3: the field, I think that's something they feel like can

682
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 3: be useful for them as well. So yeah, I think

683
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 3: you'll see more quick game stuff from him. It's something

684
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 3: he's done well in Arizona. It's not been something J. J.

685
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 3: McCarthy did particularly well. I think they had some struggles

686
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 3: trying to get the quick game stuff to work to

687
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 3: degree that they wanted last year. But yes, I think

688
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 3: the however you get there, that the ability to say

689
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 3: we're in second and or not second and ten, or

690
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 3: you know, second nine, if we run the ball and

691
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 3: we get stuffed or something like that. I think that

692
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 3: becomes a big piece of this. And the other thing

693
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 3: O'Connell talked about yesterday is first and second downs. A

694
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 3: lot of times are when they look for touches, yes

695
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 3: for je Jefferson, because if they're not going to get

696
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 3: the shell coverage in those situations, you have to take

697
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 3: advantage of that. So some of those quick completions can

698
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 3: be high percentage but also a way to get the

699
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 3: ball on Jefferson's handa. I think that will be certainly

700
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 3: a component of what they try to do with Kyler Murray.

701
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 2: Are we largely done in free agency? Do you think?

702
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:07,479
Speaker 2: Or not so much?

703
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: Well, they don't have a lot of money to do

704
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 3: a whole lot else right now. I think they're probably

705
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 3: eight or nine million under the cap at the moment.

706
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 3: And everybody always says, oh, the draft picks are going

707
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 3: to take up a bunch of that. The draft picks

708
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 3: really don't. I mean, it probably costs two or three

709
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 3: million dollars of off season cap space to get the

710
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 3: draft picks in. That's not something I would worry about

711
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 3: a ton, but they don't. I mean, they've used a

712
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 3: lot of the levers to clear cap space that they

713
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 3: had available to them, whether it's cutting players or doing restructures.

714
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: There's still the Brian O'Neill extension I think could happen

715
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: and certainly free up some cap space that way, if

716
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 3: they went down that road, I think, you know, if

717
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: Jonathan Grenard does end up getting traded, that could Yeah,

718
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: certainly that would clear a lot of cap space as well.

719
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 3: So it would take something like that before they have

720
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 3: a ton of money to go back into the market

721
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 3: in a serious way. And I don't know that they

722
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: are wanting to get too far over their skis with contracts.

723
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 3: I think there was certainly a little bit of a

724
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 3: backlash from that last year when it didn't work out

725
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 3: to the degree that they wanted. So I think they'll

726
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 3: be a little more responsible and there's probably not a

727
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 3: ton of big, splashy things left to do. They'll probably

728
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 3: make some moves here or they are a center certainly,

729
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 3: it's still, yeah, very high on the list, but yeah,

730
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 3: right now they have to be a little bit judicious

731
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: just because of where they are. Capwize.

732
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: You mentioned as somewhere you either wrote or said regarding

733
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 2: the running back situation. This is I think before Jones

734
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: was brought back, when it was at that point seemingly

735
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: he was gone. Think you said, you know, if you

736
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: want to think of in terms of a thunder and

737
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 2: lightning kind of a thing, thunder might represent Mason, but

738
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: you might still want some lightning something to that effect.

739
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 2: If I quoted you accurately, and I thought it was

740
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 2: a good point. But the lightning part, I assume and

741
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: its best represents a game breaker at running back. And

742
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 2: I you know, I mean Jones, we all know. You know,

743
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 2: he's an adult in the room, he's a veteran, he's

744
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: still got some ability, but he's not a game breaker

745
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: at this point. So to me, whether you got Kyler

746
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 2: Murray at quarterback, or JJ McCarthy or Aaron Rodgers, whoever,

747
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: I really think that's a big void and a big

748
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: need for this club because all those sorts of skill

749
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: pieces do take some of the pressure off whoever you

750
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 2: have at the quarterback position. That Okay, every once in

751
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: a while, he just might go for forty two yards.

752
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's still in need. I think it's

753
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 3: something they would like to add. I would not be

754
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 3: surprised if that still comes in the draft. I mean,

755
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 3: you know, all of the questions about could they get

756
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 3: to the point where they can take care of my love.

757
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 3: I mean that will take probably a move up, or

758
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 3: he would have to slide farther than it certainly seems

759
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 3: like he's going to at the moment, but that could

760
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 3: be a day two pick. I would not be surprised

761
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 3: if they said, let's add a running back, because I

762
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 3: think that need is still there. I don't think Aaron Jones.

763
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: I mean, Aaron Jones had there some juice left, But

764
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 3: especially when you get later in the season and the

765
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 3: wearing terror starts, I'm not sure that it's quite the

766
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 3: same as what you'd hope to have if you go

767
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 3: out and add somebody in that spot. And beyond that,

768
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 3: he's thirty one years old. It's not something that you

769
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 3: can bank on for years to come. And I think

770
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 3: if you can get a younger back in there that's

771
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 3: got a little more than electricity, I think it's a

772
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 3: valuable piece to have. I mean, you know, they've had

773
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 3: some of that in the past, and when it was

774
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 3: Dalvin Cook, it was yeah, he could hit home runs.

775
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 3: So he also strikes out a lot in the sense

776
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 3: that he gets stopped so you need the balance there

777
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 3: and maybe you find it back, hopefully find it back.

778
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 3: That is efficient at the line in terms of setting

779
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 3: up locks and knowing where to hit holes, and they

780
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: can also break some things off. But I think adding

781
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 3: somebody like that to this office I still think is

782
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 3: in need. I mean, Aaron Jones coming back probably doesn't

783
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 3: completely meet that need. So yes, I still think that's

784
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 3: something they could look to add. And maybe it's a

785
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: little more speculative in the sense that you use a

786
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 3: little later pick on and maybe a day two pick

787
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 3: like I say, because it's not as immediate of a need.

788
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: But I still think that's a place where they could

789
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 3: certainly benefit from making some additions.

790
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: Last item for today, are we pretty much epoxied at

791
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: wide receiver to Addison now that Naylor is gone? And

792
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 2: are we comfortable with, you know, given still some of

793
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 2: his off the field stuff and the ups and downs

794
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: in that regard. What's the feeling you get on what

795
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: the organization's position is at this point on John.

796
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 3: Maddison, Well, I think it's it's a question of this

797
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 3: year and it's a question of beyond that. I mean,

798
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 3: certainly he's he's signed for this year, we're heading into

799
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 3: year four of his deal. They will make a decision

800
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 3: on the fifth year option. I think it's usually by

801
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 3: about may seconds that they have to.

802
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 2: Make that call.

803
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 3: I would imagine they'll pick it up just to say

804
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 3: that you give yourself another year to figure out if

805
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 3: you wanted to pay him, and give yourself another year

806
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 3: to benefit from him in your offense. The question of

807
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 3: do you do a long term deal with him, I

808
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 3: think it is very much a still up in the air,

809
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 3: in part because you're paying Justin Jefferson, in part because

810
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to have a bigger bill at quarterback

811
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 3: at some point, whether it's Kyler Murray or somebody else

812
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 3: maye JJ McCarthy, who knows whoever gets back into that next.

813
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 3: The quarterback bill is not going to be this cheap forever.

814
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 3: So are you going to have two receivers on big numbers?

815
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 3: And then do you want to give Jordan Madison that

816
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 3: much money long term? Knowing that, yeah, sometimes if guys

817
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 3: get seriously paid, and everybody in the NFL makes a

818
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 3: lot of money, but the major contracts tend to change

819
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 3: things in a way that the rookie ones don't in

820
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 3: terms of how you're set up for the rest of

821
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 3: your life and how you go from there. So you'd

822
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: want to know that he's going to handle that well.

823
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 3: And I think there's been enough moments with him that

824
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 3: they would need to see some maturity and some growth

825
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 3: before you're going to feel terribly comfortable doing that. So

826
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 3: I would think for now he's going to be in

827
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 3: the mix, and I know they feel pretty good about

828
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: him most of the time. Those those moments do pop

829
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 3: up enough where if you're making the big, big, big

830
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 3: commitment to him, you need to be relatively sure that

831
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 3: you're not exposing yourself to a ton of risk there.

832
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 3: So I think that's still very much something for the

833
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 3: long term that is worth watching, and some of that

834
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 3: burden may be on him to show that he's got

835
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 3: enough trustworthiness to merit that kind of a contract.

836
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 2: Last night, I'm going back to Kyler. I guess this

837
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 2: might be this would be kind of a leverage question,

838
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: as I believe you guys have all reported it as

839
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 2: a contract in which the Vikings will not have the

840
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: option if they wanted to to franchise him after this season,

841
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: So why did the Vikings agree to that? I mean,

842
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: I don't feel like Kyler had a lot of leverage.

843
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: I guess he could have done the other approach, which is,

844
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 2: I'll go to a team that doesn't need me this year,

845
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: like the Rams and sit holding that. Then I'm the

846
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: air apparent for the year after. But is that the

847
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: Vikings do that because they had to?

848
00:47:59,560 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: It?

849
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: Is it too much to give up in terms of

850
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: having all options at your disposal, you know, depending on

851
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 2: how this thing goes in twenty twenty seven.

852
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think it's one of those things.

853
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 3: He obviously didn't want it because he wants to be

854
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 3: able to get back out on the market. I'm sure

855
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 3: he looks at Sam Donald. I mean, he's probably hoping

856
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 3: to get a bigger deal than Sam donald e than got.

857
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 3: But the trajectory that Sam Donald was on I'm sure

858
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 3: was appealing to him, and he's hoping he can recreate

859
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 3: that for himself. So I think it's probably partially to

860
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 3: get the deal done. But I also don't know how

861
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 3: attractive that tag is at the quarterback position for a

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Speaker 3: team that is paying a wide receiver thirty five million

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to murmer exactly what the tag would be,

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Speaker 3: and probably even higher than that, but that that cap

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Speaker 3: no ability to massage it. I mean, you could do

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Speaker 3: that on the long term deal differently, and you can

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Speaker 3: plan the hits to come when you want them to.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't happen with the tag, So I think from

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Speaker 3: where they're at too, I can't imagine they'd have a

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Speaker 3: ton of appetite to try to figure all of that out.

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Speaker 3: So I imagine it's one of those things where if

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Speaker 3: his camp says we don't want it, they're probably thinking, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's a concession we can give relatively easily because we're

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Speaker 3: not terribly enamored of the idea. Either. It's not been

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Speaker 3: something they've used very often, certainly in my fifteen years

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Speaker 3: covering the team. I think they've used it once with

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Speaker 3: Anthony Harris, and they hadn't used it much in the

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Speaker 3: past before that either, So I think it's probably something

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Speaker 3: that that's not that's not going to be a hell

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Speaker 3: they were going to die on let's put it that way.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Ben. We'll let chat next week. Have a

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Speaker 2: good weekend you two.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Dan.

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Speaker 2: Ben Gestling covers the vikings for the Star Tribune and

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Speaker 2: of course joins us each and every week, and in

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Speaker 2: fact gave us double duty. We did talk marathon Monday

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Speaker 2: in the wake of the thrilling finish. You don't really

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Speaker 2: there was one in the La Marathon, and Guestling gave

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Speaker 2: us his expertise there and showed us his versatility once again.

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Speaker 2: We have Lavelle scheduled as usual for his five point

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Speaker 2: thirty slot here on a Friday. Top five and five

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Speaker 2: is coming up with what what are we including shootout

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Speaker 2: loss for the wild and What's wrong with the Wolves