WEBVTT - 2-13-26 Sloan with Alex Shaffer

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<v Speaker 1>Friday mornings here at Scott Sloan on seven hundred WLW,

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<v Speaker 1>so this week and you're probably gonna spend a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more time in front of devices than you do during

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<v Speaker 1>the week right just because you're not working hopefully and

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<v Speaker 1>you yourself. On average, you have around twenty one devices

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<v Speaker 1>which are online in various places throughout the day, all

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<v Speaker 1>of them using data pretty much all the time. And

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<v Speaker 1>with the AI boom comes a need for more data centers.

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<v Speaker 1>Thus the debate so here in the Tri State, the

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<v Speaker 1>debate over regulations being fought tooth and nail. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't think this affects you, it's probably coming to

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<v Speaker 1>your area, no matter if you live in the city

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<v Speaker 1>or in the outlining area especial rural areas Ohio. Right

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<v Speaker 1>now we're fifth nationally for data center development. We want

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<v Speaker 1>to be number one. The state. ESUS is an economic

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<v Speaker 1>machine force to get us on the technology well at

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the technology map. I guess City of

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati's you may or may not know, it's getting very proactive.

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<v Speaker 1>They just put a temporary moratorium on data centers in

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<v Speaker 1>the city while they do a zoning study. Adams County

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<v Speaker 1>last night there was another meeting over well, we really

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. This is probably the most interesting battle over

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<v Speaker 1>data centers is that adding the controversy over these plants

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<v Speaker 1>comes a plan here in Adams County that's completely secret

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<v Speaker 1>because Economic Development director signed a non disclosure agreement and

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<v Speaker 1>nobody really knows what it's going to be, where it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to go, and what it's going to do. Other

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<v Speaker 1>than that, everything's great. Alex Shaffer's here. Alex is a

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<v Speaker 1>resident and he's proactive in the process of finding out

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<v Speaker 1>if this is right for his community, and he's out

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<v Speaker 1>in Adams County and the Monroe Township and joins the

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<v Speaker 1>show this morning. Alex, welcome, are you brother having Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>good to have you. So last night there was a

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<v Speaker 1>meeting and I know basically the bottom line is you're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to do a more toime like City Cincinnati has,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're going to make sure there's some strict zoning

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<v Speaker 1>regulations in place. So it's it's progressing, it's moving forward.

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<v Speaker 2>It's progressing, it's moving forward. There's a lot of community

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<v Speaker 2>input last night, and essentially the role of the trustees

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<v Speaker 2>now within the township is they are going to work

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<v Speaker 2>with outside legal counsel to put in the framework for zoning,

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<v Speaker 2>you know within these industrial areas within the township, because

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<v Speaker 2>everybody was on the same page where we have to

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<v Speaker 2>get more information, we have to have more facts and

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<v Speaker 2>more importantly, we have to know even who these people

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<v Speaker 2>are that are wanting to come in and what they're

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so what raised the red flags for you about

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<v Speaker 1>these projects and what motive motivated you to get involved?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, these sites at Stewart and Killing Station, Killing

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<v Speaker 2>is in and Roe Township have been empty for roughly

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<v Speaker 2>eight years since the power plant shut down, and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of that has to do with the site cleanup.

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<v Speaker 2>And those were the economic drivers of our county. And

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<v Speaker 2>Adams County is such a prideful, beautiful countryside, but those

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<v Speaker 2>were the economic drivers that really our community was built around.

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<v Speaker 2>So it is these are general generational issues that we

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<v Speaker 2>have in our county and we want to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that we're doing the right things. So not only us,

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<v Speaker 2>but our children and our grandchildren are proud to continue

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<v Speaker 2>to live and remain in Oudams County.

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<v Speaker 1>So this isn't completely going. Hey, we don't want a

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<v Speaker 1>data center, we don't want any of this stuff stay

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<v Speaker 1>the hell out of our town.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I would say everyone is of the mindset where

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<v Speaker 2>as I would akin these NDAs too that mister Worley

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<v Speaker 2>signed is you're essentially agreen to get married before you've

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<v Speaker 2>even seen who you're going on a date with. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we need to have more facts and we

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<v Speaker 2>need to know exactly who these companies are. Are they

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<v Speaker 2>are they you know, companies based in the US, so

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<v Speaker 2>are they foreign based companies? And you know what exactly

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<v Speaker 2>the plans are because there's so many different variables that

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<v Speaker 2>come into play.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's a critical point because in this

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<v Speaker 1>particular case, and we'll get into the NDA battle in

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<v Speaker 1>just a second. And Paul Warley, I believe is the

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<v Speaker 1>Economic Development director for Adams County, he signed it out

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<v Speaker 1>with a company. But you guys have no idea on

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the size and scope of the project, the

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<v Speaker 1>exact location. I mean, you could kind of figure that

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<v Speaker 1>out maybe with EPA records, but if you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>the company, you don't know even if it's a data

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<v Speaker 1>center or the type of services they offer before this

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<v Speaker 1>thing goes in.

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<v Speaker 2>So the projects that are being proposed in Spring Township

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<v Speaker 2>are a little bit further along, specifically at Stewart Side,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's also Buck Canyon site which is across the

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<v Speaker 2>road too soon in Row is very much earlier on

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<v Speaker 2>in the process, which is very fortunate. And so that's

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<v Speaker 2>precisely it. You know, we we have to have more

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<v Speaker 2>information on this because there I mean, it's just it's

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<v Speaker 2>a black hole right now for the county.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So the Economic Development Director signs this non disclosure

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<v Speaker 1>agreement with a couple of companies and says, we've got

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<v Speaker 1>to do this and they'll be transparency if the project

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<v Speaker 1>gets to a point. So, you know, how do you

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<v Speaker 1>respond to residents like yourself being asked to wait for

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<v Speaker 1>details until the deals are newly finalized. What point is

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<v Speaker 1>it too late for meaningful public input?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that starts at the time that you actually

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<v Speaker 2>signed the NDAs. You know, Paul Whorley executed two NDAs,

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<v Speaker 2>one in January of twenty twenty four, the other one

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<v Speaker 2>was in November of this year, and based on my

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<v Speaker 2>tracing them, it's my opinion that they are linked to

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<v Speaker 2>Amazon because the framework around the NDAs is the same

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<v Speaker 2>as what's going on in Mount War right now in

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<v Speaker 2>Brown County, And you know, to that point, and I

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<v Speaker 2>had raised this issue in discussions with some of the

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<v Speaker 2>commissioners on Monday. Is Paul Worley serves at the pleasure

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<v Speaker 2>of the Board of Commissioners in Adams County. So how

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<v Speaker 2>is the Board of Commissioners able to oversee Paul discharging

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<v Speaker 2>his job duties for the board and thus in the

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<v Speaker 2>best interest of the county if they cannot even monitor

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<v Speaker 2>what he is working on. Who is who he is

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<v Speaker 2>working with on these sites?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, but from the company standpoint at Amazon or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it might be, we don't know. At this point. He's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like the conduit. So in these deals, you

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<v Speaker 1>get a guy like him, an economic development guy, signs

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<v Speaker 1>a non disclosure agreement with whoever's building this thing, which

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of standard practice because you know, they want

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<v Speaker 1>to keep the secret for as long as poss from

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<v Speaker 1>the competition because there's a lot of proprietary technical information

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<v Speaker 1>involve But the people who don't sign it would be

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<v Speaker 1>the the elected lawmakers, right that would be the county

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<v Speaker 1>commissioners of Adams County. And so at some point there's

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to be a you know, disclosure so

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<v Speaker 1>that you can you can vote on this. So based

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<v Speaker 1>on that is this anything? Is this? Is this different

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<v Speaker 1>than how it's done elsewhere, Not that it makes it right,

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what I'm saying is like, if this

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<v Speaker 1>is standard practice, I get why Amazon or whoever is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to protect their interest here because you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want all this information out there until you get

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<v Speaker 1>a deal kind of put together.

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<v Speaker 2>The debate on whether NDA is a standard practice or

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<v Speaker 2>not really dependent on who you ask. I can tell

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<v Speaker 2>you in certain areas and Columbus, which Columbus has over

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred data centers right now, is not the most

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<v Speaker 2>standard practice. And to your point about competition, that is

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<v Speaker 2>actually what NDAs specifically inhibit. My degree is in economics

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<v Speaker 2>from Ohio State University. And when you put an NDA

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<v Speaker 2>in place, that prohibits you from even looking at other

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<v Speaker 2>alternatives as to those sites and those developments, thus reducing competition.

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<v Speaker 2>What happens when you reduce competition, you harm the consumer.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's the consumer here, the residents of Adams County.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I get the argument, and you guys, you

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<v Speaker 1>definitely should have a hand in the process here. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't want government just going out and no, we know

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<v Speaker 1>what's best and that's it. Doesn't work that way. County

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<v Speaker 1>officials there will switch to the jobs saying, they said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred seven hundred jobs lost with the power plant

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<v Speaker 1>closures there in Adams County. Another five and a half

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<v Speaker 1>million from a school funding gets pulled out because as

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<v Speaker 1>they said, look, I've going hey, listen, this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to help support the tax space here. But as I

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<v Speaker 1>understand it, data centers are obviously exempt from property taxes

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<v Speaker 1>because it's commercial. What about the job creation?

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<v Speaker 2>So job creation, the studies have shown that you have

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<v Speaker 2>to have roughly twenty million dollars of capital input costs

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<v Speaker 2>to create one full time job. So if you have

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<v Speaker 2>a billion dollar data center development, you are only going

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<v Speaker 2>to create roughly fifty jobs, Whereas if you look at

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<v Speaker 2>other industrial usages for that site that actually provide you know,

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<v Speaker 2>not only additional jobs and infrastructure and increase land value

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<v Speaker 2>for the community. You are actually specifically targeting a broader workforce,

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<v Speaker 2>the technical skill set of the workforce that we have

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<v Speaker 2>in Adams County. And it's also then benefiting the community

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<v Speaker 2>for people to work there and also the school districts

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of the generation of those taxes from the payroll.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, what about the element of what about then

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<v Speaker 1>this is you know, the trial, love the trades, but

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<v Speaker 1>there'll be like over a thousand, around one thousand construction

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<v Speaker 1>jobs for up to five years, and some of those

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<v Speaker 1>would have to be in place for maintenance because a

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<v Speaker 1>minute you finished this huge project and to take you

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<v Speaker 1>three years, you're going to start having to refit some

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<v Speaker 1>areas that were done three years ago because it's technology

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<v Speaker 1>to change as rapidly. So some of the estimates say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe one hundred million plus in local wages,

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand, two thousand workers. Eighty percent of those will

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<v Speaker 1>be in radius of where you live. Those jobs are

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to sum your nose ap.

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<v Speaker 2>There are nothing good. Some of your knows that, But

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<v Speaker 2>I think you have to look at the actual data

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of the payroll. And I've talked about this

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<v Speaker 2>with David Gifford, the county auditor, who's a good friend

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<v Speaker 2>of mine. And you know, when people try and say

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<v Speaker 2>these auxiliary jobs that are created in the permanency of them,

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<v Speaker 2>the numbers simply do not support that in the payroll records,

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<v Speaker 2>and the auditor has that. And I think you also overall,

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<v Speaker 2>with these data centers and the job creation, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to look at what's happening in the Greater Columbus area

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<v Speaker 2>with Intel, where essentially Mike Dwine sold the farm to

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<v Speaker 2>Intel and we had and the plants were supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>open last year, and they were all these financial incentives

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<v Speaker 2>and benchmarks that were supposed to be met by them.

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<v Speaker 2>They have not might have the option to enforce those

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<v Speaker 2>agreements last year, and he basically said, no, it's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you can do whatever you want here in Ohio.

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<v Speaker 2>So what would make the situation any different in Appalasha

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<v Speaker 2>areas and all?

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<v Speaker 1>Now? Yeah, But at the same time, you look at

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<v Speaker 1>it and go, are there industries that are are knocking

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<v Speaker 1>at the door and trying to get their way into

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<v Speaker 1>Adams County right now? You know, you mentioned Columbus, Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 1>the big cities. A lot of companies want to do

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<v Speaker 1>business in those areas. It makes a lot of sense

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<v Speaker 1>for reasons we don't The obvious reasons would be infrastructures

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<v Speaker 1>are ready in place. But you know, Adams County I

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<v Speaker 1>lost jobs, power plants. Is it kind of like you're

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<v Speaker 1>turning your nose up with a good thing or you're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to basically avoid a slam dunk here. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think people see this and go, well, it's Adams County.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like and it's not being I'm not being derogatory.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like there are in companies that are looking

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<v Speaker 1>to knock the door down to Adams County at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Are there.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I would disagree with that. The sites have been

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<v Speaker 2>looked at for a multiple for a multitude of different

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<v Speaker 2>sectors over the years. And again, I think it's important

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<v Speaker 2>for people to remember that once the power plants close,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like you can just open up, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a new enterprise there the next day. There's so much

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<v Speaker 2>environmental cleanup the head to be done with King Fisher

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<v Speaker 2>Partners to come in.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a brownfield, yeah, exactly, precisely, yes, yeah, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>but okay, so there's some infrastructure there, but people are you're, well, well,

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<v Speaker 1>i'd rather build something, you know. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, these data centers take a lot of power,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, put two and two together, it's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>obvious that you want to be near water, which you have,

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<v Speaker 1>and you want to be near you know, megawats of electricity.

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<v Speaker 2>They're easily accessible, correct, And we do have the power

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<v Speaker 2>grid there in place. And you know, this is something

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<v Speaker 2>that the Big Ramaswami has discussed about the strain on

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<v Speaker 2>the power grid right now, and there's currently a House

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<v Speaker 2>bill in place, House built six forty six sitting in

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<v Speaker 2>the House Rules Committee in terms of actually setting a

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen member commission to study these data centers because of

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<v Speaker 2>the boom of them in Ohio, because of the strain

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<v Speaker 2>on our electrical grid. So I I kind of akin

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<v Speaker 2>it to people as this is, how are we going

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<v Speaker 2>to continue as a society to supply the power and

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<v Speaker 2>energy to these data centers because they are not they

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<v Speaker 2>are they are an energy input. They are they are

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<v Speaker 2>not an energy export if we do not have facilities

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<v Speaker 2>in place to actually generate that power for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've talked about this a lot of my show

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<v Speaker 1>Well in the Future. And you know, you're in the

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<v Speaker 1>tech sector as well, So it's not like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>your lutte, your scream at the old man, scream at

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<v Speaker 1>the clouds and saying damn computers go away, right, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean you lean. We all lean into it. We're all

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's such a paradox, right, Alex, because we're

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<v Speaker 1>all guilty of this. We all have devices. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking, you know, digitally right now, I'm recording you digitally.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going into a cloud. And so we're guilty of

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<v Speaker 1>this ourselves right now. We have no choice but to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out a way we can all live with us absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, my company uses you know, cloud servers,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, we have to have them as society,

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<v Speaker 2>and we have to have them also in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>national intelligence and also being independent from you know, foreign control.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think we all saw what happened with COVID

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<v Speaker 2>when manufacturing shut down and the rest of the world

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<v Speaker 2>look that, you know, Oh my god, look how de

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<v Speaker 2>pendent we are upon China. So you know, that is definitely,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a great point. And that's the thing I

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<v Speaker 2>think everyone's standpoint is we are not saying no to

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<v Speaker 2>data centers overall, but in terms of specifically the locations

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<v Speaker 2>and the phases in which you possibly would put those

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<v Speaker 2>in and where you would put those in at is

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<v Speaker 2>what the biggest concern is with not having any information

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<v Speaker 2>from these companies.

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<v Speaker 1>The number one of the biggest outside of transparency the

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<v Speaker 1>politics of it, which generally they tend to settle down

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<v Speaker 1>at some point. What's the biggest concern for residents. Would

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<v Speaker 1>you say, there Alex Schaeffer and Adam's count over this, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Would say specifically where they're proposing it is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the landscape in you know, the southern part of Adams County,

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<v Speaker 2>the hills and the river and everything is what makes

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<v Speaker 2>Adams County beautiful. And also, you know, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>side effects that you have from the data center's long

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<v Speaker 2>term is something that again we don't know about. So

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<v Speaker 2>if the state is at the process to where they're

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<v Speaker 2>looking at creating a thirteen member committee to study those effects,

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<v Speaker 2>then us as Adams County should sit here and look

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<v Speaker 2>at it and say, Okay, if this is a broader

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<v Speaker 2>issue at the state and obviously the national level, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have the ability as a small community to

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<v Speaker 2>fight this later on down the road. So we don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to make the wrong decision now that we look

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<v Speaker 2>back ten years and we're like, what did.

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<v Speaker 1>We do right? It's hard because you know, you're at

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<v Speaker 1>the tip of the spirit at this point. There are

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<v Speaker 1>not many other piers you could look at that have

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<v Speaker 1>been doing this for you twenty years and see what

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<v Speaker 1>the long term effects are. You got to make a decision.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to impact the next.

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<v Speaker 2>Hundred exactly, and you know that's that's honestly the problem

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<v Speaker 2>in society with a lot of things, whether that's technology

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<v Speaker 2>or medicine, and you know, we have to continue to

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<v Speaker 2>evolve and adapt.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there are unforeseen consequences that no one can predict.

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<v Speaker 1>And usually that's the case. We didn't we didn't think

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<v Speaker 1>of that, or we didn't see that coming. Because while

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<v Speaker 1>the world is always changing, for sure, so are the

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<v Speaker 1>next steps here.

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<v Speaker 2>So from area township right now they're in the process

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<v Speaker 2>of obtaining outside legal councils start drafted in the framework

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<v Speaker 2>for what they want to put in for zoning. Specifically

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<v Speaker 2>their Sprig Sprig Township has a meeting I believe it

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<v Speaker 2>is February twenty third, and there there is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be some more information hopefully that'll come out about at

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<v Speaker 2>that standpoint. And so overall for the county, the commissioners

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<v Speaker 2>have promised to have more public input and a more

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<v Speaker 2>dedicated special meeting to this. But again I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>very important to point out, you know, in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>these developments, the Board of Commissioners has the option and

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<v Speaker 2>to direct mister Worley to recuse himself from these NDAs,

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<v Speaker 2>and that prevents these companies moving forward with the speed

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<v Speaker 2>that they would like and garner that public input and

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<v Speaker 2>have these representatives come in and talk to the community,

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<v Speaker 2>talk to us about what their plans are and how

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<v Speaker 2>they want to integrate themselves into our county in a

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<v Speaker 2>way that we're proud of, just like General Electric has

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<v Speaker 2>done with their jet engine testing facility in.

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<v Speaker 1>People makes sense, you think Cincinnata has it right putting

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<v Speaker 1>the moratory minus.

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<v Speaker 2>It did I do? And several other townships and Columbus

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<v Speaker 2>have done that. Jerome Township, Washington Township, and the City

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<v Speaker 2>of Dublin have done that. And they have data centers

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<v Speaker 2>kind of around the perimeter of the City of Dublin.

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<v Speaker 2>And because you know right now it's an arms race

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<v Speaker 2>for data centers, it truly is, and that stems from,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe, you know, a technological arms race with China.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, in order for us to properly look at

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<v Speaker 2>this for our future and look at the side effects

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<v Speaker 2>of it, and look at where we want to see

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<v Speaker 2>these things in the landscape of our communities, we have

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<v Speaker 2>to put the pause button in place. Get more information,

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<v Speaker 2>get more facts, and surely be able to make candidly

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<v Speaker 2>a more educated and informed decision.

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Schaeffer is a residence in Adams County, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>certainly one of the more interesting cases because of NDAs

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<v Speaker 1>and land and not knowing what really is going to

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<v Speaker 1>go and who even owns the data center for that point.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's a great example to look at for the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of us because Alex, as a resident, is getting involved.

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<v Speaker 1>He's being proactive in the process of finding out if

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<v Speaker 1>it's right for his community and where he lives and breathes,

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<v Speaker 1>heats and works. And that's a battle. You hearing this's

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<v Speaker 1>going well, that's Adams County, but guess what it's happening

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<v Speaker 1>in Cinci. It's going to happen in not only the city,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's going to happen in maybe suburban areas, but

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<v Speaker 1>particularly rural areas, Butler County, Mount Orb. The list goes

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<v Speaker 1>on and on and on. So it's a battle we're

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<v Speaker 1>all going to have to face, or an issue we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to face, I guess and figure out

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<v Speaker 1>how to to what the best practice is. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>going away, We're going to have to put them somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>How do we coexist, I guess is a question. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a great case, Alex. We'll talk again in the future,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure. Man. Thanks for coming on in shedding some

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<v Speaker 1>light on this issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, And Scott, you know on behalf of the people

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<v Speaker 2>of Adams County. Thank you for having me on to

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<v Speaker 2>allow us to raise our voice on your platform into

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<v Speaker 2>the greater Tri State area. We are truly and greatly

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<v Speaker 2>appreciative of all.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you, brother, and again we'll talk soon. Thanks again,

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Scott. All right, there you go, Alex Schaeffer on

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<v Speaker 1>the show. Yeah, you hear that, you go. It doesn't really,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't concern it, does it concerned? We're the ones

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<v Speaker 1>doing it right. We use all this stuff as far

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<v Speaker 1>as information goes in data. We're using it right now,

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<v Speaker 1>you're using it right now. We're all using it. We

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<v Speaker 1>have no choice. This is it's what it is. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the future too. So can we lean and make money

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<v Speaker 1>and make Ohio a more vibrant and improve our economy

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<v Speaker 1>because of Intel, because of AWS et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>But we also have to live where these plans are too.

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<v Speaker 1>So watching these guys, I think it's a great test

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<v Speaker 1>case for all of us. If you will anyway, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>continue to follow that. Scott's Loan Show continues seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>WLW