1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WVS Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 2: Far thank Verminsterean Watkins. As we move into the ten 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: o'clock hour here, it's kind of the halfway point of 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 2: the week. 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 3: We have. 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: Ten hours down and tend to go. And I just 7 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 2: want to thank Anthony Mory. That was a really good hour. 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: And if for some reason any of you out there 9 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 2: no information about where these items are, and I suspect 10 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: no one does, there is a ten million dollar reward. 11 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: And at this point, whoever stole those items, I suspect 12 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 2: probably no longer with us, and people who might have 13 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: handled those items along the way are probably not with us. 14 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: Folks who are in that sort of line of work, 15 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: they don't have a long lifespan. So if you know anything, 16 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: just you get in contact with Anthony Moory at the 17 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: Garden Museum. You can hear how serious and how dedicated 18 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: he is to solving that case. Let's talk about how 19 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 2: serious and how dedicated the Republicans are, and conversely, how 20 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: serious and dedicated the Democrats are over this piece of legislation, 21 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 2: which is entitled simply Hr twenty two the Save Act, 22 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: the Save Act. That is an act that the Republicans 23 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: have been advocating for some time. The Democrats in the 24 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: past had agreed, but in recent years there is a 25 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: very clear split between the two parties. I think the 26 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: Democrats are happy with the voter of rules as they 27 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: are right now. Again, this is a controversial topic. I 28 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: don't want to see anyone who is legitimately permitted voter 29 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: to be disenfranchised. I really don't. At the same time, 30 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: I have no concept whatsoever many people might be participating 31 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: in elections illegally in this country. We can look back 32 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: at I guess the number of people who I don't 33 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 2: know if any studies have done on this, the number 34 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 2: of people who voted in presidential elections, say twenty years ago. 35 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,119 Speaker 2: How much the country has grown. We're able to project 36 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: how many people will how many baby boomers will be 37 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: alive in ten years from now. There are all sorts 38 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: of statistical models that we can use. I haven't heard 39 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: either side use of much of those sort of statistical models. However, 40 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: we know that we have had a big influx of 41 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 2: people who have come into the country of the boars. 42 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: Those people are not eligible to vote until the eve 43 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: and when they become us citizens. We certainly must have 44 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: some idea if we've had whatever the number is, whether 45 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: it's fifteen million or twenty million who have come in, 46 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: we must have some idea how many of those individuals 47 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: have been naturalized as you as citizens, and so I 48 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: think you could do some sort of a mathematical model 49 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: to really come pretty close to the number of legitimate 50 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: voters we should have. However, however, when you think about 51 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: the number of items that could prove you're a citizen, 52 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: there's a lot of items. Obviously, passports, birth certificates, the 53 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: fact that you're registered devote. Again, if I'm registered to 54 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: vote and I live at a certain address, I show 55 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: up with my driver's license or some other item and 56 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: I prove, oh I am That's all it comes down to. 57 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: So now you say, well, what about people who don't 58 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: have driver's license or birth certificates. That's a legitimate argument. 59 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 2: I think every city in town should be required. Every 60 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 2: place that I have ever worked, there was always a 61 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: very inexpensive identification camera set up, and one of the 62 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 2: first things you did when you became an employee was 63 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: that you when you sat and you had your picture 64 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: taken and they eliminated whatever company it was an identification card. 65 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 2: They put it in a landyard which is probably for 66 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: the most part plastic and see through, and they gave 67 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: you something to hang it around your neck so you 68 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 2: would have it. I don't get why the controversy. I 69 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 2: really don't. I don't think that the Democrats want to 70 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 2: keep people on the ballot who are illegal residents, are 71 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,119 Speaker 2: non citizens, keep people on the voter roles, I should say, 72 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 2: I don't think the Republicans. I would like to think 73 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: that there are people on both sides of this argument 74 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 2: who were approaching it for good reasons. And if the 75 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 2: Republicans want to clean the voter roles the people who 76 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: shouldn't be on there, I can't disagree with that. And 77 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 2: if the Democrats want want to make sure that people 78 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 2: who are registered are not taking off the voter roles 79 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 2: and they are American citizens, this should be a way 80 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: to do something. It seems to me that even in 81 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 2: this badly split divided country that there should be some 82 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 2: leadership on both sides of the aisle, Republicans and Democrats 83 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 2: who should get together and say, Okay, here's what we 84 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: can do. We can we can make the we can 85 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: tighten up the voter rolls. If people haven't voted in 86 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 2: twenty years, they need to come in. Will give them 87 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: an opportunity to commit and prove that they still are registered, 88 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: they still live here with a voter ID or whatever. 89 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 2: If you've voted regularly, then don't worry about it. Okay. 90 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: But I just think that all of this hoopla is unnecessary. 91 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: So I'm going to simply open up the lines and 92 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: I'm not looking for well, I am looking for arguments 93 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: both sides, but I'd like to find some arguments based 94 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 2: in fact. In factuality is what I'm essentially looking for. 95 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: It's easy for the Republicans to say, oh, there are 96 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: millions of Americans out there who are voting illegally. I 97 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: don't think so. I don't think so. Do I think 98 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: that there are more than a few. Absolutely absolutely, and 99 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: those people should not be voting. Are there things that 100 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: they could compromise and agree upon. I don't understand the 101 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: need for mail in ballots. I really don't understand that. 102 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: We've had, for however long I've voted, the ability to 103 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 2: request an absentee ballot, and that's sort of a mail 104 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: in ballot when you think about it. I mean, there 105 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 2: are ways to do this, I think in which both 106 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: sides can compromise a little bit and we can take 107 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 2: a couple of steps, maybe not the entire the entire 108 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,799 Speaker 2: distance we have to travel, but to make a larger 109 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: proportion of the American public confident and the integrity of 110 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: American elections. That's what I hope will happen. I don't 111 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: have much realistic hope that will happen, but that's what 112 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: I'm proposing because I don't want my vote to be 113 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: canceled out by someone who is here illegally, and I 114 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: hope you feel the same right. I don't want your 115 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: vote canceled out by someone who is here illegally. Nor 116 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: do I want an American citizen who, for whatever reason 117 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: doesn't have a piece of identification. We should be able 118 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: to take care of that problem so that every city 119 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: in town would provide to anyone that needs a legitimate picture. 120 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: I d on an official document that simply says so 121 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 2: and so lives at this location in whatever city they 122 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: live in. Simple simple as that. Six one, seven, two, five, 123 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty. 124 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: We will get to our calls right after the break, 125 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: and i'd like to talk to as many people as 126 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: possible between now at midnight and again. I think a 127 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: lot of this is your opinion. If you think that 128 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: there are people on the voter rolls who are here illegally, 129 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: I suspect you probably support this legislation if you fearful 130 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: that somehow a large number of people will be disenfranchised, 131 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: or maybe if that anyone would be disenfranchised. I can 132 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: understand how you would be opposed to this, but I 133 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 2: think it's high past time come of our most recent 134 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 2: elections have had quite quite an increase. I don't have 135 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: the numbers in front of me. I'm not going to 136 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 2: bore you with numbers, but I do think I do 137 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 2: think that if you look at the twenty twenty four election, 138 00:08:55,000 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: if you look at the twenty twenty election, and Joe 139 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: Biden got eighty one million votes, that President Obama in 140 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, I believe his number was sixty two million votes. 141 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: If you look at just those two numbers, do you 142 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: really think that Joe Biden was what thirty percent more 143 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 2: popular than Barack Obama four years later? That's what the 144 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: numbers say. I've seen those numbers. You can go check 145 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 2: them out for yourself. Joe Biden got eighty one million votes, 146 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: who won the twenty twenty election. President Obama was reelected 147 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, four years earlier, in twenty twelve, excuse me, 148 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: eight years earlier. And he won the twenty twelve electionally 149 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 2: against Mitt Romney with fewer votes in twenty twelve than 150 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: he received in two thousand and eight. He had sixty 151 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 2: five almost sixty six thousand votes in two thousand and eight. 152 00:09:55,040 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: So as I would say, riddle me that, explain how 153 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 2: how that happened. We'll be back on night Side. Light 154 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: these lines up six one seven, two, five four ten 155 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 2: thirty or six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. 156 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 2: My name is Dan Ray. We're talking about the integrity 157 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: of the election electoral system in America, A very important 158 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 2: and I would even say serious subject. But all of 159 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: us have an opinion. I want to know yours. Coming 160 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: back on Nightside. 161 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z, 162 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: Boston's news radio. 163 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to the Phone's going to go to 164 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: Shane and Weymouth. Shane, appreciate your patience. You were first 165 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 2: this hour on Nightside. 166 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 4: Hey Dan, anyway, how are you sir, Hey, I'm doing well, 167 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 4: and uh, I'm sorry to be your first caller because 168 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 4: my anservant might be a little unconventional. You know, I 169 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 4: am a Republican. I cast at a ballot for Donald Trump, 170 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 4: and I have this vague, you know, memory of him 171 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 4: getting elected and inaugurated, only to you know, discover that 172 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 4: president of the United States its currently Benjamin in the Act. 173 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 4: So it kind of begs the question. 174 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I understand, just let me let me finish. 175 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 2: I don't want to confuse people. Okay, I understand the 176 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 2: point you're making. I don't agree with it, but I 177 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 2: do understand the point you're making. But I want to 178 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 2: make sure that nobody out there is going to accept 179 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: that as a literal fact. Donald Trump is still the 180 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 2: president of the United States. He is conducting a war 181 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: in conjunction with Israel and with our strongest ally in 182 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: the Middle East. But that's fine. Love to love to 183 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 2: hear your opinion on that, or you can talk about 184 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 2: the Save Act, which have you prefer? 185 00:11:54,960 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 4: Okay, So we've seen at least three high members within 186 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 4: Trump's cabinet, including Trump himself, say, either knowingly or unwittingly, 187 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 4: exactly why we are currently in the Gulf right now, 188 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 4: and that is Israel of course, right hand, So that 189 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 4: that essentially implies that they have such an undue amount 190 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 4: of influence on our country that whether one candidate or 191 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 4: the other candidate gets one hundred percent of the vote, 192 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 4: it doesn't matter. Yeah, and you know we don't We 193 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 4: don't get to elect our media, but we do get 194 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 4: to elect our representatives. And if they're going to be spineless. 195 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 5: Then I am. 196 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 4: I'm personally vowing to do this, and I know a 197 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 4: lot of other right wingers are too. But come the midterms, 198 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 4: we're casting a protest vote. We're going to punish the 199 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 4: Republicans or rolling over and effectively sending thirteen young Americans 200 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,239 Speaker 4: home and body bags. 201 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: They're you know again, I'm not going to stop you. 202 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 2: One of the things I believe in is people have 203 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 2: a right to express their opinion on Nightside. But I 204 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 2: got to tell you, when you engage, you sound like 205 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 2: some you young guy? How old are you? You are 206 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: a young guy? Okay, let me ask you a couple 207 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: of questions, and I understand that do you consider yourself 208 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 2: an isolationist? 209 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? I would like to do fair enough. 210 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 2: Okay, that's fine. I assume therefore, you probably were not 211 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: happy with what happened in Venezuela, you know, certainly not okay, fine, 212 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 2: and and and if if the. 213 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 4: People just remember the Iraq War, and I've seen one 214 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 4: too many examples even in you know, just thirty four 215 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 4: years of American meddling and something that seems simple on 216 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 4: its face and it becoming a quagmire that costs. 217 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 2: I just want to get a sense of of where 218 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 2: you are. You're selling a bright guy. Do you think 219 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: we meddled in World War Two? 220 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 5: I think the American public was probably allowed to experience 221 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 5: a kind of trauma that would bring them into the war, 222 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 5: Which is to say, there's there's a lot of historical 223 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 5: speculation that the attack on Pearl Harbor was something that 224 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 5: was more or less known about an advance. And if 225 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 5: you look at the last. 226 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there there are people who who who pausit 227 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: all sorts of theories. But what I'm saying. 228 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 5: To you, in Vietnam there was the Gulf of Tonkin. 229 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 2: No, I know the history of it. I know that 230 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: history of it. I'm asking you, shamee. I'm trying to 231 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: have a conversation with you. The reason I'm asking you 232 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: that question is you've admitted that you're an isolationist. There 233 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 2: is a tradition of isolationism within the Republican Party that 234 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 2: was very strong in the nineteen thirties. To be honest 235 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: with you, and I think that there are moments in 236 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: time when we have to stand up. I happen to 237 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: believe that Israel is our one true ally in the 238 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: Middle East. I'm sure you disagree with me. 239 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 5: Ali. 240 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, they are the only, in my opinion, 241 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: truly democratic with a small d country in the Middle 242 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 2: East that shares our value. 243 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 5: Media is blacked out right now where you can get 244 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 5: up to five years in prison for filming even missile 245 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 5: hitting the building. 246 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 2: I watched missiles hitting. I watched how told who told 247 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 2: you that? Which? Shane wigerad that that that's. 248 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 5: Any one of your listeners. 249 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 2: Let me tell you, why don't you Why don't you 250 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: turn on either CNN, UH or or any of the 251 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 2: major networks tonight? There were pictures that the video Tephane Shane, 252 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 2: you're telling you, Shane, you were just speaking uh stuff 253 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 2: that just isn't true. If you wanted to tell me that, uh, 254 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: you know that Israel was located in South America and 255 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 2: that that someone told you that, that doesn't make it true. 256 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 2: I watched television news tonight that showed rockets cluster bombs 257 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 2: falling in neighborhoods of Tel Aviv. Now I don't know 258 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: who took those pictures, but obviously those pictures were taken 259 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: by someone, whether they were American reports. Didn't you watch 260 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 2: the evening news tonight? 261 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 5: I don't know, right, And what you're what you're getting 262 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 5: at is that these are videos that have been taken, 263 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 5: which I don't disagree with, but they are typically, you. 264 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 4: Know, camera phone videos. 265 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 5: They are not these major studios pointing there. 266 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 2: You have all the net you have every one of 267 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 2: the major networks. Uh, they're not in Iran, thankfully. But 268 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 2: there are reporters, Charlie Dagger, I can tell you the 269 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 2: names of the reporters who are reporting from Israel. I 270 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 2: just think that I I understand your impulse as a 271 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 2: young person, but and vote for whoever you want. 272 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,959 Speaker 5: Come well, I mentioned isolationism in the thirties, right, So 273 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 5: how do you feel about America first becoming a slogan 274 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 5: again being printed on hats? I know I've replaced my 275 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 5: MODD with an America first, ad Well, it's a slogan. 276 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 2: It's you know, well, Shane Shane. It's a slogan, Okay, 277 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 2: like anything else. As a slogan, it stands for oftentimes 278 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 2: what different people interpret it as. I do believe that 279 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: the interest of the United States should always come first 280 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 2: to the government of the United States. But I think 281 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 2: we have a huge interest in the Middle East because 282 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 2: I think that if Iran ever ever had secured a 283 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 2: nuclear weapon, they would have used it on anyone that 284 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 2: they could. Because they are a theocracy. They are not 285 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 2: run by people who are political leaders who are responsive 286 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 2: to their uh, to their electorate. They have this view, 287 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 2: this theocratic view of the of the world in the afterlife, 288 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: which if they do engage in nuclear war and they 289 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 2: wipe everyone out, they're gonna they're gonna be They're gonna 290 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 2: have the highest place in heaven because of what they did. 291 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 2: If they got rid of the Jews, they their religion 292 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,479 Speaker 2: tells them that's the best thing in the world they 293 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 2: could do. And I watched what happened in October twenty 294 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 2: twenty three. You watched what happened in October twenty twenty three, 295 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 2: And I watched what happened historically in the Holocaust. Did 296 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 2: you you believe the Holocaust existed? 297 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 3: I assume, yeah, I believe. 298 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 5: I believe in the camps. My grandfather was the one. 299 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: Okay, so was he was he Jewish? 300 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 3: It was not. 301 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 5: No, he was a political prisoner. 302 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 2: He was a political prisoner. Okay, So he didn't face death. 303 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 2: But there were six million people who were killed in 304 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 2: Europe up to and during World War Two. That's the 305 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: sort of thing without America, Rid, I'll be speaking German, Shane. 306 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: I appreciate having the guts to call it. 307 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 5: Speaking German as an alternative to the current parent I'm living. 308 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 2: You'd prefer to be speaking German? 309 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 5: And with that, I guess a good night. 310 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 2: Oh you're you're brilliant. What do you do for a 311 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: living chain. 312 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 4: I'm just curious a mental health worker? 313 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 2: You're a mental health worker. Well, I'll tell you. I 314 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: can't disagree more. It's been You've been very polite, and 315 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. So I thank you for calling. Have 316 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 2: you called before this it's your first time? Okay, Well, 317 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,479 Speaker 2: feel free to continue to call, but do me a favor. 318 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: Open up your eyes and and and and and listen 319 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 2: to more media sources than just some of the right 320 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 2: wing pablem that is out there, the Tucker Colson pablem. Okay, 321 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 2: it's it's not healthy. It's not healthy for people who 322 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 2: truly believe in democracy and who truly believe, uh in 323 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 2: in the role of the United States. We are, whether 324 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 2: we like it or not, the world's police was that. No, 325 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 2: you can listen. You can listen. You can listen. There's 326 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 2: all sorts of media you can listen to. There's more 327 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 2: media today, Shane than when I was your age. When 328 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 2: I was your age, it was ABCNBC and CBS. I 329 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 2: watch ABCNBC and CBS, uh and, and I'm satisfied to 330 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 2: watch them. I read the Times, I read the Wall 331 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 2: Street Journal, I read the Washington Post, I read the 332 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 2: Boston Globe. I read my journals. That's my job to do. 333 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 2: But the one thing that I'm happy to hear you 334 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 2: say that you believed in the Holocaust, because a lot 335 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 2: of people on your end of that spectrum will tell you, oh, 336 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: the Holocaust didn't exist. You do believe that there were 337 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: twelve hundred Jewish people who were slaughtered in October twenty 338 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 2: twenty three, correct? 339 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 5: I believe there was a stand down order issue by 340 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 5: nine government. 341 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 2: So that the people could be slaughtered. 342 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 5: So, if you're familiar with something called the Hannibal director, 343 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 5: I believe that was initiated where uhs opened the fire 344 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 5: on their own people so they weren't taking us all busy. 345 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 2: Oh I believe. Yeah, you know, Shane, UH do me 346 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 2: a favor. You know, I'm concerned about your mental health. 347 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 2: Be be careful of what you are ingesting, you know, 348 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 2: in terms of the sources, check the sources. Okay, thanks Jane, Shane, 349 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 2: I got to run interesting call, very interesting call. If 350 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 2: that call doesn't show you what's out there, folks, there 351 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 2: are some very very strange theories out there that that 352 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 2: Shane has has I think swallowed hook line and sinker. 353 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: I gave him eleven minutes. And the reason I gave 354 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 2: him eleven minutes, there's this. There's a They used to 355 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 2: be what's called the virulent strain of anti Semitism, where 356 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 2: people didn't care. Okay, Now there is a much more 357 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 2: subtle strain of antisemitism. And I heard it in his 358 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,479 Speaker 2: voice when he said that Netanya who is now the 359 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: president of the United States, Netanya who is he's the 360 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 2: he's the Prime Minister of Israel, and he is doing 361 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 2: what he believes is important for his for the people 362 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 2: of Israel. And I think we are doing what's important 363 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 2: for the survival of Israel. And I will be very 364 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 2: glad when this dictatorship, this theocratic dictatorship, is no longer 365 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 2: have any access or potential of access to nuclear weapons. 366 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: Feel free to join the conversation. And that was a 367 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 2: really interesting call. We will we will continue right after 368 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: the news break at the bottom of the hour. So 369 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 2: I went into the news a little bit. Folks, here 370 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 2: we go. 371 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WZ Boston's 372 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 1: news radio. 373 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 2: All right, let's go, let's roll here a little bit. 374 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 2: I can't give everyone eleven minutes. I hope you understand 375 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 2: that Tom and the Cape Tom next on Nightside. 376 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 3: All I gotta say is wow, yeah, uh, it's always. 377 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 2: I was really trying. I'm really trying to be as 378 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 2: polite as I can to callers, to be honest with you. 379 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,479 Speaker 3: But he was kind of hot too. 380 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 2: Well, I just think that he's he's like drinking a 381 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 2: kool aid that someone's serving him, which is pretty scary stuff. 382 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 3: Well, I think it was Jim Jones that was feeding 383 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 3: it to him. 384 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 2: I remember, I remember Jim Jones, and uh, he took 385 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 2: a lot of people with him. 386 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 3: Didn't he, Yes, he did. I don't know how many 387 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 3: he drank, but he took quite a few. 388 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 2: Hundreds, but hundreds hundreds, including a US Congressman Leo Ryan. Yeah, 389 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 2: there were. 390 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 3: Shots everybody else he took with the kool aid that's had. 391 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 3: What I wanted to speak about is the is the 392 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 3: is the comment that the Democrats are making that women 393 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 3: will not be able to vote because they don't have 394 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 3: they don't have they don't have to change their name 395 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 3: and all this. 396 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 2: Other stuff scare tact. 397 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 3: Did they come up with stuff like that? 398 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 2: Well, I I think that they're they're very good at mes. Uh. 399 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 2: I mean it's like it's anything. I mean, they're trying 400 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 2: to suggest that that minorities do not have ideas, I 401 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 2: mean what they they are convinced. And you know, I 402 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 2: think I think Schumer's been using this is Jim Crow 403 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 2: two point zero. They've used that before too, and yeah, 404 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 2: it's it's shameful the way in which they try to 405 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 2: handle the argument. That's to me, I don't know, the 406 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 2: harder they fight and the more that they protest is inanely. 407 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 2: As they protest, I begin to wonder, you know, I'd 408 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 2: like to think that both both the Republicans and the 409 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 2: Democrats are coming into this with clean hands and are 410 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 2: looking to keep the elections as fair and honest as possible. 411 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 2: I'm starting to do. 412 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 3: That because because the Democrats are definitely not You're not 413 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 3: You're not trying to give me you have you needed 414 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 3: driver's license. Well, let's say, for interest, down here in 415 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 3: the Cape, we had a lot of trees down the 416 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 3: towny Yarmouth allowed everybody that is a resident of the 417 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 3: town to drop off their brush for free at the 418 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 3: dump if you showed an ID. No right. 419 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 2: They don't want people from other towns coming in and 420 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 2: using your dump absolutely hot, so they. 421 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 3: Have to show an ID. If you have to show 422 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 3: an ID to dump your trash, shouldn't you have to 423 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 3: know they have to show an ID to vote. 424 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 2: Well, I got a better one. I got a better one. 425 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 2: If I go to Fenway Park or the Boston Gardener 426 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 2: and Jillette Stadium and I'm crazy enough to buy a 427 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 2: fifteen dollars you know, light beer, they won't allow me 428 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 2: the privilege of wasting fifteen dollars to buy to overpay 429 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: fifteen dollars for life beer unless I prove to them. 430 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 2: And by the way, I've seen them ask the IDs 431 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 2: of people who are clearly in their in their late 432 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 2: eighties and early nineties. 433 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 3: I'm seventy years old, dandy. In June, i'll be seventy, 434 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 3: and I go to the to get a beer. Yeah, 435 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 3: I don't. I don't drink anymore. But if I want 436 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 3: to get get a beer, they'd ask me for an ID. 437 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: Of course they would, of course they would. 438 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 3: It's ridiculous. 439 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 2: I mean, if you try getting on an airplane in 440 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 2: America these days without showing your ID, good luck with that. 441 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 3: Well, Dan, I'm gonna let you go and let you have. 442 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 3: It's always a pleasure to speak to a gentleman. And 443 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 3: that other gentleman that you had as a guest was exquisite, so. 444 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 2: I think, so I was enjoyed. 445 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,959 Speaker 3: I do a lot of driving, so I go. I 446 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 3: always have the opportunity to listen to you. I don't 447 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 3: always call them bother you. 448 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 2: I wish you've never bothered me. You bother me when 449 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 2: you don't call okay, Because as I've said to people, 450 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 2: this show is night Side with Dan Ray. I'm Dan Ray. 451 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 2: I'm one person night Side or all of you out 452 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 2: there who use this microphone to express your opinions. Whatever 453 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: that opinion and the. 454 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 3: Other the other thing is also your your call screen. 455 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 3: Your producer is a great guy. So thanks a lord, 456 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 3: Thank you very. 457 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,719 Speaker 2: Much, all of them are thank you very much. Tom 458 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 2: appreciate it. Quick break here on Nightside. Don't want to 459 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 2: show a change anyone coming right back. 460 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray, Boston's news Radio. 461 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 2: Let me go to Susan and Cambridge. Susan next on Nightside. 462 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 3: How are you? 463 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 6: I'm good, Dan, Just quickly, I too, wanted to compiment 464 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 6: you on your prior guests and segment that was fascinating. 465 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 6: You have to brush up on your your premiere though. Yeah, 466 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 6: I'm going to keep in mind is that we only 467 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 6: have about thirty something paintings from him, whereas we have 468 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 6: over three hundred from Rembant plus drawings. 469 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 2: Good to know, Good to know you. Anthony Moore is 470 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 2: such is such a great guest, and those hours are 471 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 2: great for me, Susan, because I learn a lot. You know, 472 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 2: there are a lot of ours, right, I don't think 473 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 2: I learned much we're talking baseball. I'm pretty good at baseball, 474 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 2: pretty good at politics. But when I get at the 475 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 2: Anthony Morion, I feel like I'm in a classroom moment. 476 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 2: I'm back in college. 477 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 6: Seriously, excellent, excellent. Okay, So I wanted to I feel 478 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 6: like you might be complating a couple things because there's 479 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 6: the Save Act and the Save America Act, which are 480 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 6: slightly different. Save Act is very narrow, it's voter ID. 481 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 6: Save America Act is the one that includes that you 482 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 6: have to present in registering. You have to present proof 483 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 6: of citizenship and if you do a driver's license, even 484 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 6: a real ID is not sufficient. Okay, you can't. You 485 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 6: have to have a birth certificate or passport, and nine 486 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 6: percent of Americans can't put their hands on a birth certificate. Also, 487 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 6: birth certificates and certificates are easily are pretty easily uh forged, fabricated, 488 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 6: and so you would have to open up a whole 489 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 6: new basically, you know, local election officials are not capable 490 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 6: at this point of reviewing those kind of documents. 491 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 3: You'd have to. 492 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 6: It's it's a complicated process, and you know, if you 493 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 6: don't want to be you know, you know, faked by 494 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 6: some you know, fake documents. It's going to require a 495 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 6: whole new elections infrastructure at the local level. 496 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 2: Well, I understand the argument, but I have little confidence 497 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 2: in in the arguments. I mean, I know how many 498 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 2: people have drivers' licenses in America. I know how many 499 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 2: people had passports in America. I do know that there 500 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 2: are some people in America. 501 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 6: Who under millions don't have passports. What's that hundred million 502 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,719 Speaker 6: plus one hundred million plus do not have passports? 503 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 2: Right and probably one hundred million information. I'm not saying 504 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 2: that everyone has a passport, but I'm saying when you 505 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 2: add up the number of people who have driver's licenses 506 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 2: the number of people who have passports. 507 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 6: Again, I said, a driver's license is not sufficient for 508 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 6: a citizenship. So it's fine for voter or ID, but 509 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 6: it's not for sure. 510 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 2: I also, again, I don't have I've never seen how 511 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 2: many people don't have access to birth certificates. 512 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 6: I've seen this this statistic for a while now. 513 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 4: It's been reported. 514 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 2: It's what so is that is that the question of 515 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 2: how many do not have them or how many do 516 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 2: not have access to them? Because there's a difference between 517 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 2: not having something and not having access to something access access, 518 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 2: So that means you might have to make a little 519 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,959 Speaker 2: bit of an effort to get a birth certificate. I 520 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 2: know that when I became an Irish citizen, I had 521 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 2: to prove I had to link my lineage back to 522 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 2: a grandparent, and I had to get a certificate of 523 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 2: my grandfather's birth, his marriage certificate, the birth certificates of 524 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 2: my dad, and then his marriage certificate to my mom 525 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 2: and my birth certificate. So there are things that you 526 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 2: have to do here, and I don't want to see 527 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 2: anybody disinfranchise, that's not my point, But if there are individuals, 528 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 2: I think that every town hall in America, every city 529 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 2: hall in America, should make available some form of photographic 530 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 2: ID to any and all of their residents. 531 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 6: Right, which would solve the voter ID problem, But it 532 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 6: would not solve the proof of citizenship problem, well, much 533 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 6: like I think that larger. 534 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 2: Again, for me, I'm assuming you do not care about 535 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 2: people who actually choose to vote illegally and maybe negate 536 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 2: your vote of my vote. I'm assuming that there's that 537 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 2: happens to me. 538 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 6: It proved that it happens more than once in a 539 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 6: blue moon. Really, the only time someone who's not a citizen. 540 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 6: Who does it? You know, it's generally someone who has 541 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 6: a green card and may have misunderstood or something like that. 542 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 6: But in terms of I mean, damn, it's done. 543 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 2: Like so, let me ask you, let me ask you, 544 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question, let me let me 545 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 2: ask you this question. Let me ask you this question. 546 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 2: Barack Obama a pretty popular president. 547 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 6: Right, I'm going to answer it before you even get 548 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 6: to it. Okay, Trump, there was a huge anti Trump 549 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 6: vote after twenty sixteen and not enough turnout for Hillary, 550 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,719 Speaker 6: and then we have the pandemic, and then people Trump 551 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 6: motivates Democrats or did motivate Democrats in that election like nobody's, 552 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 6: but he. 553 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 2: Didn't motivate him in twenty twenty four. You kind of 554 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 2: have it both ways, Susan. Susan, I got to get 555 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 2: one more in here, and I always appreciate your calls, 556 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,439 Speaker 2: and I hope you'll call more often, and I hope 557 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 2: we can continue our conversation on this. You're a very 558 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 2: rational person and I appreciate your calls. 559 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, Let's. 560 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 2: Keep rolling here. Lewis and Shrewsbury. Lewis, You're next one nightside. 561 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 7: Go right, ahead, hie Dan, thanks for looking me on. 562 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 2: Thank you. 563 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 7: I have just a small point to make. But when 564 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 7: we speak about to save the Save America Act. But 565 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 7: one of the things that I'm seeing relative to UH, 566 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 7: and it started to become apparent to me with the 567 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 7: the October attacks attack on Israel and the subsequent protests, 568 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 7: hry protests and the strange what I felt was a 569 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 7: strange reaction. And and I see it to a certain extent, 570 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 7: you know, from time to time, whenever matters of judgment 571 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 7: come up. And what I'm seeing across the boards young people, 572 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 7: some older people is they're holding a set of beliefs 573 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 7: that somehow makes it very difficult for them. They're either 574 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 7: unwilling or unable to separate or recognize what's right and 575 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 7: what's wrong and looking at facts we have a country around. 576 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 2: There's also there's also a subtle streak of anti Semitism 577 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 2: when someone call yeah, right, well be kind, okay, big 578 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 2: kind UH. And and when when someone's trying to tell 579 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 2: me that Donald Trump, who has probably the biggest ego 580 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 2: of any president that I have ever known, because everything 581 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 2: he does is the best, the most impressive, the greatest, 582 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 2: UH is going to supplement his his priority to another 583 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 2: leader in this case, Benjamin that was ludicrous. 584 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's it's ludicrous. 585 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 2: And it is ludicrous. Is more than a singer. 586 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:21,399 Speaker 7: Yeah, And it's just this inability to separate a set 587 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:27,919 Speaker 7: of beliefs or in plain view of reality. So with 588 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 7: respect to the voter id proof of citizenship. You know, 589 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 7: if it takes a proof of citizenship, so be it. 590 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 7: It's it's it's an important thing to vote. It's a 591 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,439 Speaker 7: very important thing, and it can't be left hanging out 592 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 7: there in uh, you know, in the gray area. Seventy 593 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 7: of the American public Democrats and Republicans. Less so with 594 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 7: the Democrats of course, but the vast majority feel that 595 00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 7: this is that this is. 596 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 2: I think the overall number is eighty one percent. It's 597 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 2: ninety percent of Republicans, about eighty four percent of Independence 598 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 2: and seventy one or seventy two percent of Democrats. 599 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 7: Okay, wildly popular, vast majority, wildly popular. 600 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 3: And I think. 601 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 2: That's a Pew that's, by the way, that is a 602 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 2: Pew research that's not a poll that was done by 603 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 2: the Republican National Committee. It's a pure research poll. And 604 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 2: if you watch Harry anton On CNN, the poster guy, 605 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 2: he's talked about it, and he just thinks it's extraordinary 606 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 2: that there's a consensus on just about any subject in America. 607 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 7: And I've heard all the arguments as many as I 608 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 7: could against moving forward with this, and I'll be honest 609 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 7: with you, they strike me as thin and bordering on disingenuary. 610 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's the word I would use. I mean, 611 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer in nineteen ninety six spoke in favor of 612 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 2: this on the Senate floor. I don't know what's changed 613 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 2: in Chucky's world. 614 00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:01,399 Speaker 7: I don't know, well at any rate. That's that's my thoughts. 615 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,800 Speaker 7: And I'm really looking I'm really looking forward to seeing 616 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 7: this this proceed and see, God willing how this works out. 617 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 2: Let's get it. Let's get everybody in the record, and 618 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,280 Speaker 2: if it passes, great, If it doesn't, everybody's on the record, 619 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 2: and let people know how they voted on something. I 620 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 2: this because I think this is an important This is 621 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,879 Speaker 2: a fundamental. This is an issue about election integrity, that's all. 622 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 7: It's a center. It's if yeah, and if it's inconvenient 623 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 7: to prove your citizen, wellso be it. It's a it's 624 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 7: a it's a it's a extremely important I think. 625 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 2: Anyone who wants to improve their US citizen, it's it's 626 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 2: the most important aspect in your in your life, I 627 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 2: think to be an American citizen in my opinion. Thanks Lewis, 628 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,240 Speaker 2: you got to run here it comes to the eleven 629 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 2: o'clock news. Thanks for your support, Thanks for calling my program. 630 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 2: We have one line at six one seven two five 631 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 2: four to ten thirty and one line at six one 632 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 2: seven nine three one ten thirty. That that the two 633 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 2: five four ish has been filled six one seven nine 634 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 2: three one ten thirty to want to get through. We 635 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 2: will talk about the all next hour. Hope you join 636 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 2: me