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Speaker 1: Hey twenty nine on a Thursday Friday Eve. I love

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Speaker 1: this time to day we can talk with iHeart Media

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Speaker 1: aviation expert Jay Rattler. He is nationwide. He is the

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Speaker 1: sole aviation expert for the entire iHeartMedia Corporation, hundreds of stations,

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Speaker 1: and we are lucky enough to get him for a

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Speaker 1: few segments every Thursday here in the fifty five Casey

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Speaker 1: Morning Shore. Welcome back, my friend. Happy Thursday in advance

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Speaker 1: early Happy Easter to you, my brother.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a great holiday, a lot to be

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Speaker 2: thankful for, and the same to you.

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Speaker 1: Is a lot to be thankful for. And that's one

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Speaker 1: of the things I love being friends with you on

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Speaker 1: Facebook over because you always have something really positive to

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Speaker 1: say in your posts. You're not screaming and yelling at everybody,

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Speaker 1: You're not stirring the pot of descent. You're just making

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Speaker 1: great observations exactly like that. Life's filled with miracles. Pay

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Speaker 1: attention to them, enjoy them while you got them, and

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Speaker 1: appreciate the benefits and the gift of life that we

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Speaker 1: have here. Let me ask you, this aviation expert. Rockets

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Speaker 1: are part of aviation. What did you think of the

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Speaker 1: Artemist two lift off. Did you watch it all?

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Speaker 2: Right? Well, it planned on it and then Cherry and

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Speaker 2: I went out to dinner, so it's kind of watching

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Speaker 2: it on my phone and just throw I mean, it

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Speaker 2: was you know, it's historic. And you know, for all

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Speaker 2: all of the former astronauts that I was able to

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Speaker 2: all wanting their work to be you know, built on.

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Speaker 2: They wanted the exploration, the science, the discovery to continue.

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Speaker 2: And I'm just thrilled that it is. And you know,

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Speaker 2: the idea that we've got this ongoing, it's just it

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Speaker 2: gives the younger generation a taste of what I had. Yep,

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Speaker 2: you know back in the sixties and early seventies when

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Speaker 2: you had people going to the Moon and except then

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Speaker 2: it was the first time ever. And you know, it's

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Speaker 2: it's thrilling. I just love it. And you know, as

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Speaker 2: on the Moon perhaps and then headed for Mars and

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Speaker 1: It is. And you know, I obviously as a very

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Speaker 1: the Hoolo spacecraft. But more of a Lindberg moment with

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, space travel and landing and men of

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Speaker 1: the Moon, this seems to be quite different because we're

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Speaker 1: kind of used to travel this way, we're used to

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Speaker 1: seeing rockets go up. And I was really blown away

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Speaker 1: by when they were talking about the astronauts on this

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Speaker 1: this this flight, how much experience they have actually going

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Speaker 1: in and out of orbit already. These people are not

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no. But I like some of the observations

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Speaker 2: of the older pilots that are thinking, gosh, look at

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Speaker 1: Stuff, a little tense for me. I remember when the

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Speaker 1: to airplanes, Delta Airlines teaming up with Amazon, why.

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Speaker 2: They're going to increase the Wi Fi power on board

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Speaker 2: because that's something that's never really set well with consumers

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Speaker 2: when they've asked about, hey, what do you think about

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as maybe me being sitting next to you on

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Speaker 2: Yep. I think that that also given. And I think

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Speaker 2: the list of things they have to do and police

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Speaker 2: And airlines are making it clear, you know, we put

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Speaker 1: And I guess this proves all the people right who

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Speaker 1: the WiFi was going to crash the airplane remember those days, well.

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Speaker 2: I do. In fact, I had a lot of people

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Speaker 1: I guess they resolved that all that.

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Speaker 2: I thought there must be something to this now, you know,

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Speaker 2: have now, Brian, I think that's much less of a concern.

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Speaker 2: And look, we've already had flights with people using their

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Speaker 2: I think that the likelihood is minimal. But look, if

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Speaker 1: Fair Enough, we'll bring Jay Rtliffe back to talk about

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Speaker 1: a couple of developments in the air Canada issue after

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Speaker 1: that crash on the runway. That a whole lot more

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Speaker 1: fifty five. Have you ever been in a cockpit before?

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Speaker 1: Jay Rattlift, I heeart media aviation expert going into the

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Speaker 1: aviation related issues today as we do every Thursday. Being

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Speaker 1: at A thirty moving over to Eric Canada. I saw

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Speaker 1: this and I literally laughed when it was just the

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Speaker 1: President of Eric Canna had has to retire carently getting

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Speaker 1: a lot of heat because he doesn't speak French. Is

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Speaker 1: that's a problem if you're a Canadian. You got those

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Speaker 2: Well, especially when you're offering condolences for the crew members

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Speaker 2: not even in our native language can you offer condolences.

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Speaker 2: It was a speech in English, and they he's announced

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Speaker 2: an airline and he's good at what he does. But

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Speaker 1: Well, it was after the fact created priority. Hey wait

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Speaker 1: a minute, that guy didn't speak French. That's rather snobbish,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. I don't speak a four leg. I tried

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I learned that some of the easier classes

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's aokay. You obviously know what you're doing

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Speaker 1: in your background has served you well in life. Jay.

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Speaker 1: That's all that really matters.

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Speaker 2: Is around six I graduated sixty second in my class

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Speaker 1: There, you go, that's all right. We have Africa. The

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Speaker 1: control tower involved in this air Canada craft apparently violated procedures,

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Speaker 1: And because a lot of us out here in the

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Speaker 1: in the hell was a fire truck allowed to go

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Speaker 1: coming in but parallel this conflicting information going back and forth.

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Speaker 1: So what was violated in terms of procedures.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that National Transportation Safety Board is

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Speaker 2: because that's a violation of the established protocol. So what

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Speaker 2: to what extent? And that it gets just part of

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Speaker 2: because they're far from the final report that'll take a

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Speaker 2: year after the crash to really come out with, But

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Speaker 2: what they're saying is this is something that we're looking

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Speaker 2: into and exactly who is in the tower, what the

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Speaker 2: be singularly focused and not have one person responsible for

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Speaker 2: too many things. But the NTSB can only make recommendations.

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Speaker 2: It's like the DC crash that happened a January a

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Speaker 1: I think I know the answer, and I'm going to

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Speaker 2: Agree, because you had these three women are on a

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Speaker 1: Have a wonderful, wonderful Easter weekend.