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Speaker 1: It's Tony Pike Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati. From Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back Hour.

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Speaker 3: Two, Cincy three sixty, ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 3: Let's kick it off the only way we know how to.

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Speaker 3: On Tuesdays at hour two, our guy from Fox nineteen

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Speaker 3: joining us, Joe Daniman.

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Speaker 2: Right now, what's up, Joe.

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Speaker 4: Tony Austin. Good afternoon, Tony. How are things at your

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Speaker 4: house with the kids home from school.

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Speaker 3: I said at the start of the show today, Joe

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Speaker 3: that I don't talk about politics on this show, and

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Speaker 3: I don't even know if it falls under the politics category,

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Speaker 3: but these kids need to get back to school. I

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Speaker 3: would use the term man farrel. Farrell is a term

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Speaker 3: that comes to mind right now. There was a very

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Speaker 3: nice vase broken in our home earlier this morning from

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Speaker 3: a rogue basketball shot from our five year old. Our

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Speaker 3: daughter is losing her mind. It's just I don't know

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Speaker 3: how it has to happen, but we got to do

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Speaker 3: something about getting them back into the classroom.

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Speaker 4: There is now a dent in my basement wall for

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Speaker 4: some reason. My teenagers, my oldest Tour seventeen and fifteen,

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Speaker 4: and they've decided that this is the week they want

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Speaker 4: to get back into NERF wars.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course, my baby has.

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Speaker 4: Become a NERF war zone and has now resulted in

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Speaker 4: dent and paint chipping on the wall because they're not

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Speaker 4: in school now. Shout out Saint Pius Elementary in Edgewood, Kentucky,

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Speaker 4: because my youngest is in school. Wow, how about that?

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Speaker 4: That's toughness? Man?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, to be back in school.

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Speaker 3: Is there any end in sight? Is there any Are

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Speaker 3: these kids going back to school anytime soon?

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Speaker 4: I will personally drag them out of bed tomorrow morning,

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Speaker 4: drop them off at the doors of their high school,

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Speaker 4: whether it's open or closed. They're going tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: I do have to ask, do you have a lot

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Speaker 3: of teams have that locker room countdown clock that happens?

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Speaker 3: Do you have one of those in your home for

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Speaker 3: when you get to go to spring training?

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Speaker 4: Oh? I wish that's a great idea. Trust me. I

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Speaker 4: know the number of days in my head, but there's

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Speaker 4: not an hour or minute countdown. But man, yeah, we're

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Speaker 4: less than three weeks now until I get to spend

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Speaker 4: four days in Arizona. And every day I look at

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Speaker 4: the forecast and you see these teams and below freezing temperatures,

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Speaker 4: I start dreaming of seventy five in sunny and watching

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Speaker 4: the Cincinnati Reds do PSP in Arizona.

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Speaker 3: Now, you mentioned a dent that's happening. Are you sure

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Speaker 3: this dent was caused by your children? And not buy

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Speaker 3: an Aaron jump shot that I saw.

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Speaker 4: Ouch. Let me tell you a personal story in here, Tony.

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Speaker 4: There comes a point in every man's life where they

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Speaker 4: realize it's catching up to them. Yeah, Okay. So I

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Speaker 4: was twenty nine years old visiting my brother in law

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Speaker 4: East Chicago and playing pickup basketball was like my love.

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Speaker 4: It was my most favorite thing to do. And we

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Speaker 4: were playing pickup basketball in Chicago on just a blacktop hoop.

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Speaker 4: And it's that day I realized my knee started to

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Speaker 4: hurt and I lost a step. And I'm not kidding you.

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Speaker 4: I went back and I was completely distraught, almost at

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Speaker 4: the point of tears, knowing that the prime of my

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Speaker 4: life ended that day on that blacktop court in Chicago. However,

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Speaker 4: I have since noticed that fifteen years later, even though

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Speaker 4: I've lost now two or three steps, you never lose

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Speaker 4: a jump shot. The jump shot stays.

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Speaker 2: Well, you posted a video, a video.

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Speaker 3: Fox nineteen posted a video and you're outside shooting jumpers.

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Speaker 3: They've dubbed you snow Curry. Here's my only issue. Here's

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Speaker 3: my only issue with the jump shots. I just didn't

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Speaker 3: see him make the adjustments. You missed multiple shots far left.

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Speaker 3: Where was the adjustment? Was it the thin air? It

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Speaker 3: didn't look like there was much wind, because I do

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Speaker 3: have questions on that, But I also wanted to say

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Speaker 3: at the end of the video, I thought your execution

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Speaker 3: of the snow angel was near perfect.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you very much for that part, because that's

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Speaker 4: important because the station challenge was send us a snow angel,

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Speaker 4: and so I had to hit the snow angel. Okay,

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Speaker 4: so the snow angel was hit. Now the jump shot.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna sit here and defend myself. The tape

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Speaker 4: tells the story that was bad. However, would you go outside,

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Speaker 4: and you know this if you play ball, and you

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Speaker 4: know ball, if you have anything tucked in, you're restricted

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Speaker 4: on your courseto. Sure, so I had, I had gloves on.

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Speaker 4: I had two tucked in shirts, a sweatshirt, a coat,

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Speaker 4: be bad. Now, I didn't think I was going to

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Speaker 4: reveal just how bad it was until I realized it

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Speaker 4: would make for a fun video. Respect laugh and if

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Speaker 4: you can't laugh at yourself, yeah, thanks for respecting that.

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Speaker 4: But I will say this, Okay, I will say this.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna jump on your show and brag about

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Speaker 4: an old, broken down man's basketball game. Okay, But if

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Speaker 4: you ever want the truth on what I was like

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Speaker 4: in pickup hoops, next time you have Richard Skinner on, Okay,

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Speaker 4: ask Richard Skinner about the Tuesday morning local media runs

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Speaker 4: man and I'll let him describe the kind of player

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you some some Bengals here this this

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Speaker 3: period of the offseason. You're looking ahead, but I also

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Speaker 3: think there's an area of time where you can look

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Speaker 3: at who's still playing. And I know you're looking forward

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Speaker 3: to the super Bowl as so many people are. But

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Speaker 3: we talked earlier on the show, how did these teams

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Speaker 3: get here? Are there ways in which the Bengals can

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Speaker 3: operate this offseason to put them in a position like

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Speaker 3: the Seahawks and like the Patriots, And one of the

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Speaker 3: things that these two teams have in common. They spent

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Speaker 3: a lot of money in the offseason last year, but

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Speaker 3: they didn't just throw the money randomly at the wall.

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Speaker 3: They seemingly hit on all the fits in the offseason.

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Speaker 3: Is that the biggest thing for the Bengals right now,

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Speaker 3: because we know they have money to spend, we know

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Speaker 3: they've been willing to spend it in the last couple

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Speaker 3: of years. But it's the idea of can they spend

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Speaker 3: it the right way and if so, how quickly can

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Speaker 3: it get turned around.

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Speaker 4: That's such a great point. And I think it's a

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Speaker 4: little bit unique in New England's path to the Super

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Speaker 4: Bowl as opposed to Seattle, because I think it's a

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Speaker 4: little bit incomplete of us trying to break down and

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Speaker 4: really graf exactly what New England did, because it feels

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Speaker 4: with the quarterbacks they faced with what happened Sunday in Denver,

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Speaker 4: I think Seattle might be a little bit better of

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Speaker 4: a model. And you look not just to Seattle this year,

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Speaker 4: won Super Bowl fifty nine with the number one defense

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Speaker 4: to Super Bowl fifty seven, the winner had a top

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Speaker 4: ten defense as well. So it kind of feels like then,

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Speaker 4: with excuse me, New England and Seattle both having top

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Speaker 4: of feels like that's a starting point. And too many

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Speaker 4: times I think we here in Cincinnati said, oh, if

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Speaker 4: the Bengals can just get a defense that's league average,

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Speaker 4: if they can just be better than bad, they can

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Speaker 4: be Okay, Burrow, Chase and Higgins will carry the day

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Speaker 4: and the Bengals will get to the Super Bowl. I'm

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Speaker 4: not sure that's the case because if you go back

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Speaker 4: even to the Bengals Super Bowl run, and I think

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Speaker 4: you at times it was carried by their defense getting

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Speaker 4: them all the way through the AFC. So I think

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Speaker 4: that's the one thing we have to look at here.

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Speaker 4: It's not just getting the Bengals defense to okay or

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Speaker 4: league average. The Bengals defense has to take a really

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Speaker 4: big jump. It depends what you're wanting. Okay, if you're

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Speaker 4: wanting the Bengals to get back to the playoffs and

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Speaker 4: win the AFC North in the season with so much

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Speaker 4: turnover at the head coaching positions in the AFC North.

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Speaker 4: If you just want them to get back to the playoffs,

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Speaker 4: a league average defense will probably do that. But if

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Speaker 4: win the AFC Championship, the Bengals have to figure out

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Speaker 4: a way to get this from a bad defense to

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Speaker 4: a good defense almost seemingly overnight in one off season.

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Speaker 4: Because we've talked last off season about the idea of

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Speaker 4: having two off seasons to build this thing. Defensively, I'm

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Speaker 4: not sure there's many building blocks from last year. There

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Speaker 4: might be, and everybody has different growth patterns and timelines,

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Speaker 4: so there might be some growth and some building blocks

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Speaker 4: from last off season to this offseason. But now the

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Speaker 4: urgency of getting this defense from Okay it was really

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Speaker 4: top ten to compete for a Super Bowl. That's the

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Speaker 4: daunting tast the Bengals front office space.

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Speaker 3: On that note, I saw a guy Charlie Goldsmith kind

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Speaker 3: of built on Fox nineteen his ideal offseason, and one

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Speaker 3: of Charlie's main points was eliminating the offseason distractions, and

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Speaker 3: that would be getting an extension done with DJ Turner,

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Speaker 3: to get a deal done with Dax Hill. Is that

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Speaker 3: the first step for this team? Because as you mentioned,

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Speaker 3: there weren't many pieces on defense that you look to

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Speaker 3: and make sure they're here, that seems like it would

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Speaker 3: be the most ideal start.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's the timeline of what you can do

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Speaker 4: and gives you a better understanding of what you have

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Speaker 4: to do once you get to the free agency period

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Speaker 4: have certain positions taken care of for multiple years and

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Speaker 4: several years, then you can check that off the list.

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Speaker 4: Of what you have to go out and prioritize in

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Speaker 4: free agency in the draft. I think Charlie is right

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Speaker 4: where I was always forever against the second contract with

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Speaker 4: Joe Mixon the way it played out here, but across

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Speaker 4: the league and the way it played out. But I

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Speaker 4: feel like you guys talked about having more explosive players

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Speaker 4: have to make next season. Chase Brown is that even

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Speaker 4: though he didn't have a lot of explosive moments in

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Speaker 4: the first half of the season, you can see he

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Speaker 4: that kind of an explosive player on your roster at

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Speaker 4: that position to help this team take another step going forward.

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Speaker 4: And then DJ Turner has earned it, he deserves it.

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Speaker 4: If you want to limit distractions, you lock that guy

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Speaker 4: up because right now, I would say he's probably your

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Speaker 4: best piece defensively going forward. So him entering his final

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Speaker 4: DAK still as well, and extend three guys who have

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Speaker 4: much different than any other star they would have gone after.

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Speaker 4: And I know that's frustrating. It should be frustrating that

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Speaker 4: if it's not similar, something close to for a different

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Speaker 4: And I think it's important to remember last year that

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Speaker 4: the number of wins the way it worked out the

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Speaker 4: meltdown from the Mets, and now to expect this team

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Speaker 4: to take to comfortably get into the playoffs, or even

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Speaker 4: just get into the playoffs. It's likely not going to

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Speaker 4: be that low of a number like it was last year,

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Speaker 4: So I understand the frustration. I think in the Schwarber case,

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Speaker 4: it's got to be frustrating to the fan base to

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Speaker 4: see them go for it with that one player but

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Speaker 4: not go for it for any other player, even if

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Speaker 4: they're a tear down from Kyle Schwarber. And I understand

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Speaker 4: the frustration that comes with that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very very well, said Dannaman. As always, thanks for

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Speaker 3: your time. What do you have going on leading up

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Speaker 3: to spring training?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 2: Everything with Fox nineteen?

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Speaker 4: Big Day Saturday, bear Cat Houston.

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Speaker 2: Now we're talking. You're heading out to Houston.

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Speaker 4: Very good head not to Houston where it leads pretty

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Speaker 4: cold there too, pretty pretty cold, but Tony, send the

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Speaker 4: kids back to school.

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Speaker 2: Eat yep, yate. That's Joe Daniman, Fox nineteen.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Joe, Joe Daniman clearly getting ready for the Royal

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Speaker 3: Rumble on Saturday as well. Maybe we need a Royal

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Speaker 3: Rumble segment this week with our guy Rickyuccino. I'm just spitballing.

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Speaker 3: We got to get to a breaky ringside your talkbacks

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Speaker 3: next ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 4: Now here's your chance.