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Speaker 2: Brother Mo.

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Speaker 3: Mother.

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Speaker 4: There's too many of you, brother, brother bra Bra.

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Speaker 5: There's far too many love you that I think anyone

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Speaker 4: I'm good at my work.

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Speaker 3: I confine myself to that.

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Speaker 4: All I want out of life is a thirty share

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Speaker 4: and a twenty rat. The man's enlarged my mind.

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Speaker 6: Man, he's a poet, bowyer, and in the classic sense,

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Speaker 6: I'm a little man.

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Speaker 4: I'm a little man. He's he's a great man.

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Speaker 6: Think of his colors. There is black, and it's white,

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Speaker 6: and in between is mostly gray.

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Speaker 2: That's us now.

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Speaker 6: Gray is a tough color because it's not as simple

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Speaker 1: But it's who we are, is your what defines sportsmanship?

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Speaker 3: Leader Fan Fan Radio Network, Sorry, k Fair and k

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Speaker 3: f A N dot com. Two minutes, no one minute,

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Speaker 3: no now, two minutes in one second past the hour

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Speaker 3: of three o'clock central daylight time.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: It is a Thursday edition of the Bumper to Bumper program.

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Speaker 3: I almost forgot the day on a decidedly murky I

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Speaker 3: Thursday afternoon here in the twin cities of Minneapolis and

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Speaker 3: Saint Paul. My name is Dan Barrero. The host of

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Speaker 3: the program, Brett Blakemore is in the chair in place

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Speaker 3: of Guardsy, who guesses out tomorrow as well. Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: Is that connected? Understand that you're understanding? So until further notice,

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Speaker 3: that's what we will go with. We are delighted that

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Speaker 4: Because I don't I haven't been paying attention.

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Speaker 7: So my knowledge and I looked at my app was

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Speaker 7: it was supposed to be snowing all day. That was

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Speaker 7: Why don't even remember that forecast or I didn't see it.

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Speaker 7: That's what I saw, but then it just turned into rain.

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Speaker 3: Well, the excuse that we've heard before is sometimes it

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize it ever was that ominous. I thought

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Speaker 4: It's rain now. I don't know if it's going to

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Speaker 3: Rain or not, but it certainly feels like baseball weather

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Speaker 3: Funny Brett is smoking something that that was only for

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Speaker 4: What defines sportsmanship?

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Speaker 3: It's a term that we throw around a lot, and

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Speaker 3: More on that later. And you asked for a half

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Speaker 3: the group that said, stop running up the score, stop

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Speaker 3: Is that not inviting the other team to say, well,

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Speaker 4: Gonna keep playing and we're gonna keep trying to score.

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Speaker 3: I thought it got all too complicated about the unofficial rules,

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Speaker 3: like the baseball stuff. When is it okay we're up

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Speaker 3: No, I guess I can't. What about third base? What

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Speaker 3: some point you go it's not worth all this nonsense.

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Speaker 4: Just keep playing the game.

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Speaker 3: And if you're embarrassed by the other team doing what

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Speaker 4: That's one example.

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Speaker 3: But here's one more recent that has gotten a lot

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Speaker 3: of Byo? I think it was out of Bayo Bam, Bam.

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Speaker 3: That's good. Let's just go with Bam.

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Speaker 3: Bam is one of the nominees. And there are people

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Speaker 3: Why are they losing their minds? They're saying, look, did

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Speaker 3: you see how he manufactured eighty three points a few

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Speaker 4: Did you see how.

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Speaker 3: The game was turned into a circus by the way

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Speaker 3: Miami continued to feed him the ball and or foul

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Speaker 3: Bam to get more points. If you turn the last

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Speaker 3: that has nothing to do with basketball in this case,

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Speaker 3: how can he be nominated? Even if it's presumably for

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Speaker 3: other reasons for the Sportsmanship award. And here again, once

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Speaker 3: you again, I have actually come down on BAM's side

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Speaker 3: And every game to varying degrees in which somebody has

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Speaker 3: the direct quote from the athlete the player, but I

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Speaker 3: And if it comes at the expense a little bit

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Speaker 3: You're there in that moment, live that moment, get what

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Speaker 3: you can't. The irony is people kept saying, well, he's

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Speaker 3: got a if he's respectful of the Kobe Bryant legacy,

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Speaker 3: I think at eighty one, which never made any sense

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Speaker 3: In fact, I think Kobe would be offended by that.

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Speaker 3: Nobody is there to be protected. If you have an

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Speaker 3: you do it, and I don't even think you apologize

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Speaker 3: Wilt record is one hundred. That's the all time record.

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Speaker 3: It's not Kobe in the so called modern era. So

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Speaker 3: I asked the audience to be a branch and Bran

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Speaker 3: Kavan text line six for six eighty six. Is that

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Speaker 3: an example of a lack of sportship or is it?

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Speaker 4: Man? This is it feels a little weird.

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Speaker 3: It felt a little weird when Kad had his big

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Speaker 3: That might be a bridge too far. Miami was never

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Speaker 3: you play it out, however you can you live for

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Speaker 3: that moment. I think that's what sports is about in

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Speaker 4: I have absolutely no problem with it.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's a lack of sportsmanship on the

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Speaker 3: penalized for it. And again, ten years ago, I might

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Speaker 3: Bottom of this hour, it's Kevin Seffert more on your

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Speaker 3: very evening, some people are trying to defend, trying to

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Speaker 4: In twenty twenty six, they.

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Speaker 3: Guy, I'm not sure if sportsmanship is the right classification

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they're still saying five to today's total snowfall be

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Speaker 3: They have surrendered their right to feel disrespected, and I

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's the only way I can put it.

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Speaker 3: Kevin Seaffert always tries very hard to give us the

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Speaker 3: very latest on the Minnesota Vikings. In fact, he has

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Speaker 3: a new overview piece on a number of the I

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Speaker 3: guess you could say pertinent most important overarching issues facing

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Speaker 3: this team right now, and what he has learned about

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Speaker 3: they're attacking those concerns and issues and we'll get a

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Speaker 3: view from him on exactly where he is on several those,

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Speaker 3: not just the quarterback situation. Seafort files a live report.

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Speaker 3: Questions for Kevin Seaffert hit the branch on Brian Cafe

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Speaker 3: from Russo Radio or with Russo Radio from seeing Paul

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Speaker 3: at five oh two today, Seafert, are you still are

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Speaker 3: they are the owners meetings like on for like three weeks?

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Speaker 3: Or are you back from there or what's the Give

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Speaker 3: me an update.

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Speaker 2: I'm back, I've been back, I think yeah, I got

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Speaker 2: back Tuesday night. Oh they officially closed on Tuesday night.

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Speaker 2: Uh and the people who stayed a few extra days

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Speaker 2: maybe got a nice little free vacation. But I was

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Speaker 2: back Tuesday night and ready for action here in Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: Is it more challenging to be the pitbull, tenacious reporter

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Speaker 3: you'd like to be when you are in such cushy surroundings.

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Speaker 3: Is that part of the reason that the league has

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Speaker 3: these events at at at pretty places like they did

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Speaker 3: most recently.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Phoenix, Indianapolis. You know how it is. They They

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Speaker 2: will will have them anywhere and expect people to to

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Speaker 2: behave But no, it was. It was a very nice setting,

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Speaker 2: very peaceful setting. But I think we managed to hit

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Speaker 2: all the important topics with Vikings and with the NFL

476
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Speaker 2: because they're now staring down the barrel of a potential

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Speaker 2: officiating workshop, and we worked stoppage and we did not

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Speaker 2: let them off easy for that.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad that's where you went, because that's where

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Speaker 3: I intended to go next. We talked about this on

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Speaker 3: the show, kind of the bare bones basics of it

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Speaker 3: a couple of days ago. That my belief that we

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Speaker 3: all the cliche about the Internet exploding and just breaking

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Speaker 3: down based on a given event, I think that if

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Speaker 3: there are replacement officials for a significant amount of time

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Speaker 3: and there are predictably going to be controversial calls that

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Speaker 3: will be assumed were made badly just because their replacement

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Speaker 3: officials that the Internet, at least in the United States

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Speaker 3: of America would not survive it, that we would utterly

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Speaker 3: and completely lose our minds in a way we haven't

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Speaker 3: over even arguably more important issues.

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Speaker 4: So tell me give us the basics here.

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Speaker 3: On the battle lines, how they are drawn up, and

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Speaker 3: whether you think this is more about a lot of

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Speaker 3: strong rhetoric now or that there's a very good chance

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Speaker 3: that the lockout's going to take place and that the

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Speaker 3: league is going to be in a position where it's

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Speaker 3: likely to have to use, at least for some period

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Speaker 3: of time replacement roughs.

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Speaker 2: Well, the short version is dan that they have been

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Speaker 2: negotiating with the referees union for about two years to

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Speaker 2: get ahead of what'say May thirty first, in other words,

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Speaker 2: next month expiration of their CBA, and they made very

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Speaker 2: little progress. They are pretty far apart on not only money,

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Speaker 2: but also a lot of changes that the NFL wants

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Speaker 2: to make to the structure of the jobs that the

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Speaker 2: NFL is couching in terms of improving officiating. I think

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Speaker 2: the officials would say that they're just trying to eat

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Speaker 2: into some of the benefits and to some of the

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Speaker 2: longstanding practices of officiating at this level, and so the

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Speaker 2: officials really haven't wanted to budge much at all. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they have a pretty good gig where it's a part

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Speaker 2: time job and they make an average of three hundred

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Speaker 2: and eighty five thousand dollars a year, and after three

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Speaker 2: years they're essentially vested and it's very difficult to fire them,

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Speaker 2: and there's a very strong seniority advantage in terms of

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Speaker 2: getting playoff assignments and all the rest, and so they

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Speaker 2: kind of like what they have in the NFL. And

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Speaker 2: my understanding is that they are motivated by a number

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Speaker 2: of owners who are very upset with the state of

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Speaker 2: officiating the league, matching a lot of fans perspectives, and

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Speaker 2: want it to be improved. And the answer is that

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Speaker 2: the NFL staffers have come up with in terms of

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Speaker 2: increasing that time before vesting and making them work more

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Speaker 2: in the off season has not been met with much

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Speaker 2: interest by the referees union, and so I think right

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Speaker 2: now it would take an enormous amount of progress in

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Speaker 2: a short period of time for them to get to

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Speaker 2: an agreement. I mean, they cut off discussions altogether a

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, and there's been a lot of

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Speaker 2: public back and forth since. And we all know whenever

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Speaker 2: there's public back and forth, they're not that close to

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Speaker 2: an agreement. It's when they go quiet that an agreement

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Speaker 2: is getting near. And so I don't think they're anywhere close.

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Speaker 2: They don't necessarily have to have a deal on May

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Speaker 2: thirty first to avoid having replacement officials, but the NFL

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Speaker 2: is lay down the line already on recruiting and hiring

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Speaker 2: these potential replacements. Their first uh sort of onboarding and

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Speaker 2: training session and scheduled for May first, uh, and that's,

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Speaker 2: you know, weeks away, and they want to make sure

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Speaker 2: that if they're not able to come up with an agreement,

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Speaker 2: that they can have some level officiating on the on

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Speaker 2: the on the field, and we can talk about whether

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Speaker 2: that would be any more effective than the last time

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Speaker 2: this happened. But uh, there's a lot of concern about that.

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Speaker 4: Who has more to lose, you know, I personally think.

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Speaker 2: That the league does, in the sense that they would

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Speaker 2: be the ones exposing themselves to uh, you know, frankly,

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Speaker 2: games outcomes being changed by the fact that the officiating

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Speaker 2: isn't even at the level that it was currently at.

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Speaker 2: Even if you agree that it needs to be improved.

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Speaker 2: Eventually they're gonna come to an agreement, and eventually most

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Speaker 2: of the officials that are permanent NFL officials are going

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Speaker 2: to be back on the field. It's just a matter

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Speaker 2: of how quickly and how much gets sacrificed in the meantime.

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Speaker 2: And so the league has come up with a number

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Speaker 2: of ways that they think they can mitigate the inexperience

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Speaker 2: of the guys and the and the women that they

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Speaker 2: would be hiring from the low college levels by basically

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Speaker 2: having games sort of reoficiated from New York in real time.

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Speaker 2: But there's a lot of things that officials do on

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Speaker 2: the field that have nothing to do with flags and

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Speaker 2: have nothing to do with with penalties, and are really

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Speaker 2: necessary in terms of dealing with players, dealing with coaches,

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Speaker 2: keeping you know, keeping things under control. Even if you

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Speaker 2: if you make a lot of mistakes on penalties relating

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Speaker 2: to players safety and that leads to injuries, there's not

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Speaker 2: a whole lot that the people in New York can

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Speaker 2: do after the fact on that, even if they correct

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Speaker 2: the penalty themselves, the injuries still occur, and so there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of risk I think to the NFL here,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's part of why the officials don't

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Speaker 2: seem too obligated to push much towards the NFL's position.

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Speaker 4: I think you're one hundred percent right.

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Speaker 3: They may say, well, we have the higher ground for

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Speaker 3: the reasons you kind of laid out, But in the end,

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Speaker 3: the league loses, even if it's even when it thinks

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Speaker 3: it's winning again, because we're all too invested it. We're

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Speaker 3: just too invested in each and every one of these

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Speaker 3: outcomes and each and every one of these controversial plays

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Speaker 3: you mentioned low level, smaller colleges where presumably they would

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Speaker 3: be trying to bring officials in. Is that because you

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Speaker 3: really can't get the higher end like or big college

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Speaker 3: officials because they don't know how long I mean, they're

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Speaker 3: not going to leave their cushy college gig. Are they

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Speaker 3: to just maybe be an NFL replacement official for six weeks?

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Speaker 2: I think that's right. And there's also I know last

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Speaker 2: time around, there was some concerns frankly about crossing the

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Speaker 2: picket line and being a scab. If you believe that

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Speaker 2: you have a long term future in the officiating world,

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Speaker 2: and so I haven't heard as much about that. Certainly,

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Speaker 2: you know you would ideally you could go hire the

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Speaker 2: best big Big ten officials, the best SEC officials, the

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Speaker 2: best A officials. But those guys are gonna and women

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Speaker 2: are gonna have full time officiating jobs with their own

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Speaker 2: all fall. And you know, maybe if they hit some

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Speaker 2: NFL training right now, it wouldn't be a big deal,

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Speaker 2: but they're not. If you're officiating on Saturday, it's gonna

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Speaker 2: be tough to officiate on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Question outside the Vikings genre, I guess subject matter, but

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Speaker 3: I think one that does interest me as well from

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Speaker 3: let me get the oh here. This is from a

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Speaker 3: text Chris conceive and explain the Cousins contract and if

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Speaker 3: the Vikings consider doing something doing a similar one with him. Parenthetically,

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Speaker 3: he writes, since it's Kirk, I'm just assuming he has

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Speaker 3: fleeced the league again.

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Speaker 2: So the contract is. I've seen more numbers on this

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Speaker 2: contract and I think i've seen in any deal so far.

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Speaker 2: But I think that in a long time. But I

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Speaker 2: think the basics of that he basically signed a one

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Speaker 2: year deal that's gonna give him a total compensation of

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Speaker 2: twenty million by between now and the end of the

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Speaker 2: start of next year's free agent market. The Falcons will

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Speaker 2: pay like eight some something of that and the Raiders

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Speaker 2: will pay the rest. And I don't believe that the Vikings,

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Speaker 2: you know, ever were once they once they knew they

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Speaker 2: could get Kyler Murray. I don't think that that they

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Speaker 2: considered Kirk Cousins a better option there, and I don't

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Speaker 2: think that they were wrong in that assessment. I think

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Speaker 2: he was on their list. Should Kyler Murray I think

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Speaker 2: not have worked out, or gin Know Smith not worked out,

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Speaker 2: that was certainly one of their options. They were very

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Speaker 2: determined to get body of note with JJ McCarthy, and

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Speaker 2: that's what they end up doing before they had to

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Speaker 2: get that far on the list.

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Speaker 3: Kevin Seaford, ESPN dot Com joining us. You have several

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Speaker 3: sub sections in your most recent piece via ESPN dot Com,

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Speaker 3: which I think is an attempt to sort of update everybody,

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Speaker 3: including Vikings fans, on several of the most important salient

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Speaker 3: issues surrounding the Vikings this offseason.

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Speaker 4: One of the subheads.

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Speaker 3: Reads a more Kyler Murray friendly offense, and the impression

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Speaker 3: I get from what you write is a belief that

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Speaker 3: even before the Murray signing became official, there are already

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Speaker 3: signs that the head coach was moderating some things. Give

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Speaker 3: us a little bit more depth and detail on that

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Speaker 3: and how much of that has to do once again,

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Speaker 3: with the with the coaching hire that of Frank Smith.

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Speaker 3: It almost I'm sorting to think that he might be

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Speaker 3: he might want to renegotiate his contract already because it

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Speaker 3: just feels like like he's become the guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like we a guy that we've never

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Speaker 2: not yet spoken to. I think he's been given a

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Speaker 2: lot of responsibility for renovating their offense. So, you know,

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Speaker 2: the idea with Frank Smith was that they were going

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Speaker 2: to bring him in in part to help them execute

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Speaker 2: some changes that Kevin O'Connell wanted to make, mostly due

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Speaker 2: to public pressure from people like you in the running game. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and not only you know, to give them the you know,

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Speaker 2: give him more reason to call run plays, but to

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Speaker 2: feel like they were had a better chance of succeeding.

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Speaker 2: And part of that was sort of modernizing or diversifying

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Speaker 2: the types of runs that they call. Whether it's and

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Speaker 2: I think Kevin O'Connell talked a lot about emphasizing outside

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Speaker 2: zone runs that can, if you play your cards right,

656
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: can break off for big games, as opposed to just

657
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: kind of moving the chains down the field explosive games.

658
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: And also running more out of the shotgun or out

659
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: of pistol, which they have been very infrequent. I think

660
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: I looked it up and they were, like, have the

661
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: third fewest runs out of shotgun and pistol formations away

662
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: from the center since twenty twenty two of any team

663
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: around the league. And so those are all things that

664
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell has had wanted to implement in his offense.

665
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: No matter who they signed a quarterback, you know, they

666
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 2: knew at some point that Kyler Murray would be their

667
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: top priority or near the top of their priorities, and

668
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 2: so maybe that had something to do with it. But

669
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: I do think they were already going to I know,

670
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: because this was said explicitly that they were down that

671
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: path long before Kyler Murray ever set foot in the

672
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: building and signed his contract. And I should, and I should,

673
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 2: and I should say that the reason that's more Kyler

674
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 2: friendly is he's operated out of that type of running

675
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: approach much more frequently than he has under center in

676
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: his career.

677
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again what's fascinating is you could make the

678
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 3: argument that if you're going to sign Murray, you're sort

679
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 3: of obligated to do this. I still worry about how

680
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 3: much of a concession it is because I'm you know me,

681
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 3: I'm a quarterback purist. I'm a foot a pro football purist.

682
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 3: And the notion that, well, he's just seven years through

683
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 3: his career, coming up on year eight, he just doesn't

684
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 3: handle all that well being under center. I thought, in

685
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 3: the big leagues, man, this isn't college that every bright

686
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 3: offensive mind i've ever heard said, No, you can't do

687
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: everything the way college quarterbacks like to do it. You

688
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 3: have to be able to have your your your you know,

689
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 3: your turned away, your face, your head turned away from

690
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage, and still figure out what to do.

691
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 3: There's too much we do that is directly tied with

692
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 3: the quarterback being under center. It's just it seems like

693
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 3: a hillacious concession. But then you can argue it. I'm

694
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 3: arguing against myself that if you bring him in, you're

695
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 3: being foolish if you do not to a certain extent,

696
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: acknowledge that and figure out some other ways to get

697
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 3: the whatever the best is that he has to offer.

698
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and and you're talking about the past game,

699
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: and and I I don't think there's any doubt that

700
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: that is something that that they will consider. And when

701
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: I and and but what we've talked about before and

702
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 2: really need everybody needs to keep in mind is that

703
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: it's going to be a two It has to be

704
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: a two way concession. You know. I just mentioned, Yes,

705
00:41:54,239 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 2: the the Vikings were basically thirtieth in the league of

706
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: previous four seasons in shotgun runs. Doesn't mean they need

707
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: to go to third right, move somewhere in the middle,

708
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 2: and then and then Kyler Murray wherever he was at

709
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 2: move you know, towards some of the middle as well.

710
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: And that's the same for the passing game. And so

711
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: that really is what is I think reasonable expectation. And

712
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: I think what Kevin O'Connell's been pretty public and saying

713
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: that that, you know, nothing stays static no matter who

714
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: your quarterback is. And they have an entire offseason here

715
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: to plan that out. But I think they'll also look

716
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: for every opportunity they can to get him in position

717
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: to throw explosive passes because he has the arm and

718
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 2: the arm talent, not maybe not as much evidence as

719
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: the Sam Darnold did in terms of where he's throwing

720
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 2: the ball in terms of the middle of the field

721
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 2: or the outside or whatever. But that doesn't mean that

722
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: they don't try that and see in OTAs in Pranning Camp,

723
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: exactly what they can get from that, and then move

724
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: a little bit on both sides. And so I think

725
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: all those things are fair expectations. I just think that people,

726
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: you know, just shouldn't get caught up in the extremes

727
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: of expecting it to go one way or the other.

728
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, well let me throw in another way to look

729
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 3: at that. Everybody's got to be all in on this

730
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: thing in terms of the commitment. I had Rich Gannon

731
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: on a couple of days ago. Gannon endorsed the signing, said,

732
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 3: given the alternatives, he thinks it's probably the best the

733
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: Vikings could do.

734
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 4: He thinks there was a need to bring in a

735
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 4: veteran quarterback.

736
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 3: But he also said, you know, forget the stuff about

737
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 3: whether he's looking at video games.

738
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 4: Whatever.

739
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 3: He said in his own experience analyzing games and talking

740
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 3: to people around the league, he said, frankly, the feeling

741
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: on Kyler Murray is he's not always been all in

742
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 3: that part of this.

743
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 4: So part of the pact has to be. It has

744
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 4: to be. It has to come from both sides.

745
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 3: Other words, if the head coach is willing to make

746
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 3: some adjustments in part to deal with what to get

747
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 3: the best out of what Kyler offers, Kyler has to

748
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 3: raise his hand and say, whatever I've been in the

749
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 3: past when it comes to being all in and committed

750
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 3: to the bit and prepping beyond my physical ability just

751
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 3: trying to make plays. He's got to do that too.

752
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 3: That I think has to be part of the contract,

753
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 3: doesn't it, you know.

754
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 2: Whether I mean part of the agreement, whether it's act.

755
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 4: I don't mean that literally, I mean that figures yeah, yeah, right.

756
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 2: Right right, yes. And so the way it's been described

757
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: to me is that, and and the way it just

758
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 2: seems intuitively to me is that he has this enormous opportunity. Yes,

759
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 2: that a lot of I think a lot of the

760
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: quarterbacks who are available in this in this uh free

761
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: agent cycle would have been interested in getting And if

762
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: he's not able to be all in, if he's not

763
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 2: open to whatever they want to try, if he's not

764
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: interest it in in changing and evolving and all those things.

765
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 2: Then he's never going to be you know. And then

766
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 2: in that in in that case, his career won't go

767
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: on much longer. But there's every expectation that that And

768
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 2: I think the Vikings felt that way through their own

769
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 2: background work and through their day that they spent with

770
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: him before the signing that whatever the top level Kyler

771
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: Murray effort is and all inness, I guess, to make

772
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 2: up a word, is, that's what they're going to get.

773
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: And so whether that's the same all in and and

774
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 2: and work ethic as Tom Brady, uh, you know, a

775
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 2: legendary grinder or or something you know approaching that you know,

776
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: we'll we'll see, but it's hard to imagine. And I

777
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: and and and what Britch Gann is talking about is

778
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 2: not isolated. There are a lot of people I came across,

779
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 2: some people from some teams that that potentially would have

780
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: been in a courquarterback market. And I think we've talked

781
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: about this who would not have been interested in Kyler

782
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: Murray for some of the same reasons that the rich

783
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 2: Gannon mentioned to you. And so that's that's not isolated,

784
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: it's not made up. There was definitely people who felt

785
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: that way about him, but not everybody felt that way,

786
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 2: and I think that they feel like to the extent

787
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 2: that those issues can be minimized, this is the situation

788
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 2: where that would happen.

789
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 3: We got only about a minute and a half left

790
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 3: if I went a little long on that, But I

791
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 3: do want to get to how you translate what Mark

792
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 3: Wilf had to say regarding the future in terms of,

793
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 3: you know, figuring out who the general manager is going

794
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 3: to be.

795
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 4: I didn't see any quotes to me that you know,

796
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 4: gave us huge clues.

797
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 3: But you cover these guys every day, so do we

798
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: Do you feel like you know anything more now than

799
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: you did before about the likelihood that it's going to

800
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 3: be somebody outside the organization or you know, somebody probably

801
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 3: Rob Razinski in Yeah.

802
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 2: What's what I came away pretty confident in is that

803
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: there's no preferred candidate. And people think that every team

804
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: goes out with an open mind and and uh and

805
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 2: and hires the person who performed us in the interview,

806
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 2: and that that certainly probably happens sometimes, but there is

807
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 2: often a preferred candidate. There's often somebody that that you know,

808
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 2: if a team has an internal unwritten ranking that that

809
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: those are uh that those people are ultimately will get

810
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 2: the job. I do not get the sense that that's

811
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 2: the case. Like and a lot of people around the

812
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 2: league thought that the Vikings must have a specific plan

813
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: in mind, even though they have to go through the

814
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 2: process regarding the Rooney rule and all that, to fire

815
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 2: quasi of dopamensas so late in the process, and then

816
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 2: to go through this weird kind of interim situation and

817
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 2: then hire somebody afterwards. And they thought it would either

818
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 2: be you know, George Payton, who used to be here

819
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 2: for a long time under Rick Spielman is now the

820
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: Broncos general manager, or that it would be Rob Razinski

821
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 2: ultimately elevated and those I can't rule out either one

822
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 2: of those possibilities. But there was certainly no evidence, either

823
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: on or off the record, on background or surmising or

824
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: patching together bits and pieces of information to suggest that

825
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 2: the Vikings are anywhere have a favorite of any person,

826
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 2: or frankly, that they've even started the process. I don't

827
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: think they've really done much of anything other than come

828
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 2: up with some thoughts about what they're going to do

829
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 2: once the draft is over. But so I think it's

830
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: pretty wide open. It doesn't mean it won't eventually lead

831
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 2: to one of those two people or something similar, but

832
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 2: it's certainly not the case right now.

833
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 3: Is that concerning in of itself? Is that too open

834
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 3: minded and you know, too open ended?

835
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, like like there's not going

836
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 2: to be any other teams trying to hire a general manager,

837
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: so it's not like they're going to be competing for anybody.

838
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: It's not like they have to have their ducks in

839
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 2: a row at twelve oh one am the day after

840
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 2: the draft and then go after the best candidates because

841
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 2: they multiple other teams will be trying to hire them,

842
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 2: so they have a little bit of runway. It just

843
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 2: it just if it leads to somebody with no connection

844
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 2: to the organization joining the you know, walking in the

845
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 2: door a couple of weeks after a draft that they

846
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with and then starting the process

847
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: of changing the direction in the way that they want

848
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: to change the direction, it just would have been very

849
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: unusual and maybe not the most efficient use of the

850
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 2: past few months. But that ultimately might be what it is,

851
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 2: and we'll see if that is the way the willis find.

852
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 3: On somebody wants to know as we wrap up, whether

853
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 3: you stayed in a room or or a villa at

854
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 3: the Biltmore.

855
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: Neither. See, the media doesn't stay at the at that hotel,

856
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 2: or at least I didn't, because it's way beyond the

857
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 2: approved budget for my travel. So I stayed at a

858
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 2: lovely Marriotte not too far away, and that was just

859
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: fun by me, all right.

860
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 4: The implication seemed to be that if you said you

861
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 4: were in a villa.

862
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 3: There, especially, that they wouldn't trust your ability to stay tenacious,

863
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 3: that you would have been to a certain extent softened

864
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 3: up and bought out.

865
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 4: But and you're saying it's the material hill. You weren't

866
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 4: in either room or a villain.

867
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 3: No I was.

868
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: I was in an airport Marriott hotel, and so that

869
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: was all. I was all business coming from there.

870
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 4: There you go.

871
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 3: I'm guessing the villas at the Biltmore are pretty nice.

872
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you could get some privacy there and

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Speaker 2: you can certainly breathe in the fresh air. But it

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Will be in touch, okay, Dan, Kevin Seaffert ESPN dot com.

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Speaker 4: Don't forget Russo.

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Speaker 3: Radio from the Arena formerly known as the X in

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Speaker 3: about one hour and in studio, and we come back

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Speaker 3: after a very brief pause. Andy Lueger, I think in

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Speaker 3: this case perhaps even bearing gifts will mix and match

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Speaker 3: with him. If you have questions for mister Luger, brat

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Speaker 3: Shawn Brian Cafe and text line is open at six

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Speaker 3: four six eight six. In fact, they are already coming in,

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