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Speaker 1: Now News Radio seven hundred LW presents Sunday Morning Sports

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Speaker 1: dop within here Hoo's Ken Brew on news Radio seven

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Speaker 2: Well, good morning, good morning on this palm Sunday. If

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Speaker 2: you are so celebrating, good morning, we are here until

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Speaker 2: noon and more Reds Baseball this afternoon as they go

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Speaker 2: for the series win, as do the Red Sox down

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Speaker 2: at Great American Ballpark. The kind of game that we

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Speaker 2: saw yesterday is the kind of game the Reds are

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Speaker 2: going to have to win and win a lot of

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Speaker 2: this year. Close one run ball games and a bullpen that,

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Speaker 2: after some adventure, really has to nail it down. Yesterday

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Speaker 2: it was Red six runs, ten hits, no eras Boston

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Speaker 2: five eight and one six, six to five win for

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Speaker 2: the Reds. Connor Phillips was terrific in relief. Fished a

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Speaker 2: couple of innings, didn't allow a hit, didn't allow a run,

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Speaker 2: struck out three. Justin Slayton took the loss for the

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Speaker 2: red He allowed the ghost runner to score from second

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Speaker 2: base in the eleventh inning, and so the Reds are

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Speaker 2: now one in one on the season.

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Speaker 3: Couple of things about this game.

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Speaker 2: Brady Singer threw a lot of pitches to get through

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Speaker 2: four innings, but he got through four. Remember he ended

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Speaker 2: the spring with a blister problem. Four innings, five hits,

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Speaker 2: three runs all earned. He struck out fivey walked two.

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Speaker 2: He allowed a home run to Trevor's Story Sunny Gray

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Speaker 2: former Red on the mountin for the Red Sox, acquired

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Speaker 2: by the Red Sox last winter in a trade. Four innings, pitch,

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Speaker 2: six hits, four runs, three of which were earned, struck

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Speaker 2: at five, walked one, and allowed a home run to

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Speaker 2: Sal Stewart. So the Red's up four to one in

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Speaker 2: this game. In the top of the fourth, Boston scores

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Speaker 2: a couple of runs. In the fourth, the Reds led

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Speaker 2: five to three after an La Dela Cruz home run.

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Speaker 2: Boston til it at five to five in the ninth

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Speaker 2: to out Emilio Pagan on the mound and Will d

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Speaker 2: r Abreu solo home runs. So we go to extras

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Speaker 2: and in the eleven we have the designated runner, the

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Speaker 2: and Dane Myers, one of the newer Reds, singles to

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Speaker 2: left and that's the ball game, six to five.

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Speaker 3: Final.

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Speaker 2: Myers is an interesting study. Remember, for a while he

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Speaker 2: and JJ bladet Well, Myers makes the roster, Myers comes

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Speaker 2: off the bench, and Myers delivers the game winning hit,

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Speaker 2: a walk off hit. Here's Myers and his introduction really

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Speaker 2: to Reds fans couldn't have gone any better.

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Speaker 4: I don't think I could think of one unless I

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Speaker 4: hit a walk off homer.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know.

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Speaker 4: It's I feel like I have full confidence from the team,

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Speaker 4: there and feel confident myself.

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Speaker 2: Guy's making a habit of this in a very short

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Speaker 2: major league career. That's his third walk off hit of

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Speaker 2: his career, third walk off hit of his career, and

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Speaker 2: he said later, maybe I just have a knack for it.

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Speaker 4: I think so I felt like my whole career, I've

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Speaker 4: but I figured i'd be in at some point to

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Speaker 4: help the team somehow, and so I'm happy I came through.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and he did in a big way. Let's

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Speaker 2: go back to Connor. Phillips just for a second. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Terry Francota was talking about Phillips and was talking about

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Speaker 2: just the effectiveness that he had coming in in a

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Speaker 5: Good thing he has swinging like in an extra in

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Speaker 5: the game. He has swing and miss. Now we also

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Speaker 5: got a line drive that right out second basement for

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Speaker 5: But he did pitch very very well. The fact that

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Speaker 2: Right, So you got the Connor Phillips angle. Matt McClain,

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Speaker 2: who had a torrid spring, was held hitless on Thursday

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Speaker 3: Three hits, took a line drive off his wrist.

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Speaker 2: Everybody thought, including himself, Hey that guy looks like he

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Speaker 2: broke his wrist. He did not, pretty bad contusion. He

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Speaker 2: comes back, goes two for four yesterday, a couple of RBI.

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Speaker 2: One of those hits was a home run, and he

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Speaker 2: also walked. He's the first Reds rookie with five hits

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Speaker 3: But after the.

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Speaker 2: Game, although impressed, Francona was not ready to book a

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean he uses the whole field. You know,

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Speaker 5: he goes pole to pole, which I mean he hit

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Speaker 5: him in the chin, you know, he just and then

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Speaker 5: he's he's a good hitter, and he's played two games

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Speaker 5: and he swung it. Well, I don't want to, you know,

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Speaker 5: it's not induct him yet, but we do really think

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Speaker 2: He's just a terrific start for Sal Stewart. I think

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Speaker 2: everybody got excited about what he did last ball, and

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Speaker 2: we're looking ahead to what he could do this year.

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Speaker 2: Now again, as Francona says, and he's been around a

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Speaker 2: hell of a long time managing baseball teams. No anointing,

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Speaker 2: so good for Sal Stewart. We'll see if he's in

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Speaker 2: the lineup today for the series finale against the Red Sox.

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Speaker 2: The other angle in this game, and it's becoming an

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Speaker 2: early season story. All around major League Baseball are ABS challenges,

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Speaker 2: automatic balls and strikes. There were eight yesterday in this game,

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Speaker 2: eight ABS challenges. Six of those eight were overturned. The

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Speaker 2: was a sequence where au Heney Asuarez, on back to

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Speaker 2: It would be fair to say he did not have

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Speaker 2: a good afternoon. Boston had both of its challenges upheld,

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Speaker 2: Alex Cora, the Boston manager, got thrown out in frustration

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Speaker 2: Here's what he had to say about that day, that

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Speaker 5: He has one up to who's cool balls and strikes

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Speaker 5: And it was in his best day, you know.

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Speaker 3: And that's what the system does.

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Speaker 3: It is out there, everybody sees.

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Speaker 7: It, and he'll be the first one to accept it.

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Speaker 5: I saw him putting his head down after one of

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Speaker 8: You know, he's not easy what we do and what

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Speaker 2: And eight ABS challenges in that game yesterday and six

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Speaker 2: were overturned. Again, all five of the Reds' ABS challenges

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Speaker 2: changes the way the game is played now in twenty

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Speaker 5: part of a strategy. Both teams had them left. I

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Speaker 3: So you're gonna have to stay dialed in.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll see if it rears it's ugly head again today.

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Speaker 2: Boston Sens left handed pitcher Condoley early to the mound.

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Speaker 2: He had four games, all four starts in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: So he's in essence on the mound for the first

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Speaker 2: The right hander takes on the left hander early today

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Speaker 2: right here on seven hundred WLW the NCAA tournament. It's

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Speaker 2: down to just two more Elite Eight games and then

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Speaker 2: on to the Final four next weekend. We have two

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Speaker 2: Sunday Morning Sports Talk and it is seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 2: You welcome back Sunday Morning Sports Talk. A lot to

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Speaker 2: get to on the show today, including is college football

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Speaker 2: in danger? In danger of becoming something that it was

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Speaker 2: never intended to be. We're going to get into that

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Speaker 2: with Stuart Mandel of the Athletic in the next hour. Also,

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about the Bengals and missed free

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Speaker 2: agent opportunities, and well here from Mark Sheldon from MLB

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Speaker 2: dot com. We'll be at Great American Ball Park for

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Speaker 2: game number three on the twenty twenty sixth season. We

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Speaker 2: have Tennessee and Michigan in one NCAA Elite Eight game

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Speaker 2: today and then it will be Connecticut against Duke in

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Speaker 2: the other, and the winners move on to the Final four. Already,

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Speaker 2: we have two in one of those is Illinois. Illinois

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Speaker 2: is a great story and they played terrific yesterday. The

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Speaker 2: Illinois is a team that understands a couple of things. One,

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Speaker 2: it knows where the points go through. It knows that

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Speaker 2: Keaton Wagler has got to be on. He played twenty

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Speaker 2: eight minutes yesterday and he scored twenty five points. But

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Speaker 2: they have hit Eastern European schools big time for recruits.

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Speaker 2: Andre Stojokovic had seventeen points. He's from Greece. Seventeen points

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Speaker 2: in twenty seven minutes in the seventy one fifty nine

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Speaker 2: win over Iowa yesterday. In the elite game, Iowa led

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Speaker 2: by four and a half. Illinois outscored them forty three

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Speaker 2: since in the last twenty one years, actually twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: They have twins on the team. One is seven to one,

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Speaker 2: one is seven to two. They are the the ivisits twins.

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Speaker 2: Thomas Love is seven to one. Svanimir is seven to two.

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Speaker 2: This hire was rumored for weeks, right, I Mean, everybody

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Speaker 2: Five best value signings in NFL free agency. We'll talk

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Speaker 6: Spring is in the.

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Speaker 6: Couldn't be better.

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Speaker 2: What a young man's fancy turns to Apy, ap wy.

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Speaker 13: I think he would have been the perfect fit in Cincinnati, Frankly.

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Speaker 13: Been coming off the board the last time we talked,

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Speaker 13: but he's still here to this day. So and when

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Speaker 13: we talk about what Wagner specifically could provide those two

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Speaker 13: young linebackers in an immense amount of knowledge. I mean,

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Speaker 13: this guy's still playing at a really high level. He's

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Speaker 13: had more ninety plus graded run defense seasons then a

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Speaker 13: lot of players have total seasons on their resume, and

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Speaker 13: that includes each of the past four years.

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Speaker 6: This past four seasons.

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Speaker 13: This last season he had a ninety plus and I

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Speaker 13: mean he's lost a step in coverage because.

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Speaker 6: He's just getting up there in age.

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Speaker 13: But I think the knowledge he could instill with that

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Speaker 13: group could be immeasurable. But then, of course, you know

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Speaker 13: there's options no matter where they want to go in

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Speaker 13: the draft. I think linebackers one of the more deep

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Speaker 13: positions in this class. You could get a guy like

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Speaker 13: Joseah trot or Jacob Rodriguez cj Allen Sunny styles depending

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Speaker 13: on how he goes. So there's a number of directions

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Speaker 13: that they could go. I think the only bad option

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Speaker 13: is doing nothing.

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Speaker 2: Also on your list as a cornerback, and that would

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Speaker 2: be the Philadelphia Eagles on a one year, twelve million

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Speaker 2: dollar deal Tarik Woolan. Now, look, he's a CB two.

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Speaker 14: Right.

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Speaker 3: The Bengals are pretty well set outside.

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Speaker 2: They've got at right corner, they have DJ Turner at

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Speaker 2: left corner, they have Dax Hill. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: any of those guys or Tarik Wolland could have played

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Speaker 2: in the slot, but it would have been interesting. And

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Speaker 2: one year, twelve million does not seem all that much.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they value Jalen Davis all that much

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Speaker 2: or was this just another missopportunity for them?

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Speaker 13: Well, I think that Woland doesn't necessarily fit what they're

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Speaker 13: going to try to do there, because, like you said,

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Speaker 13: I think.

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Speaker 6: They're happy with what they have on the outside.

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Speaker 13: I do think that there is a space where we

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Speaker 13: can addrest that flock cornerback position. In the draft, it's

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Speaker 13: a again, it's a deep cornerback draft.

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Speaker 6: I thinks there's a lot of really good names. Tarik Wollan.

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Speaker 13: I mean, he's a great fit for what the Eagles

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Speaker 13: are going to want to.

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Speaker 6: Do that defense.

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Speaker 13: Is actually something I wrote about well before the signing

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Speaker 13: that I loved the fit there. I think they got

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Speaker 13: him at an incredible discount.

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Speaker 6: But what I want to talk about is the direction.

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Speaker 13: That I think that the Bengals could go or should go,

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Speaker 13: would be targeting a guy like D'Angelo Pons on Day two.

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Speaker 13: That's the guy who's going to be overlooked by a

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Speaker 13: lot of teams due to his size.

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Speaker 6: But I mean, cut on that tape. He's a competitor.

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Speaker 13: I mean he's everything that you want at the position,

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Speaker 13: and that size concern is going to move him into

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Speaker 13: the slot or really, I mean he's got everything, elite tracked, background,

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Speaker 13: ball production.

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Speaker 6: He's a willing tackler.

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Speaker 13: I mean, he is the guy who if he were

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Speaker 13: six foot one, one ninety he'd be in the first round.

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Speaker 13: So I like a guy like D'Angelo Pons for them

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Speaker 13: to be a target for in the draft as well.

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Speaker 2: d'An Angelo Pons, of course, an intricate member of that

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Speaker 2: Indiana defense that went all the way last year and

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Speaker 2: won the National championship. With chatting with Mason Cameron, he's

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Speaker 2: got a great story. Found Five best value signings an

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Speaker 2: NFL free agency Kyler Murray. You have him one year,

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Speaker 2: one point three mil kind of a prove it contract

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Speaker 2: with the Minnesota Vikings. The coach up there, Kevin O'Connell said,

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Speaker 2: it will be an open challenge for that number one

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Speaker 2: quarterback spot. But I can't, for the life of me,

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Speaker 2: believe that JJ McCarthy is going to be lining up

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Speaker 2: as QB one on opening day, can you.

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Speaker 13: No, Frankly. I mean, it's a tough break for the kid.

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Speaker 13: He's been through a lot, missed his whole first season

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Speaker 13: with injury, came in, really struggled. There was a conversation,

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Speaker 13: you know, my colleague Plan Wasserman, he hates the term

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Speaker 13: stoff benching. I like what that tails for what they

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Speaker 13: did with JJ McCarthy, But by all intent and purposes,

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Speaker 13: they were not comfortable putting him out there to the

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Speaker 13: degree that they let Carson Wentz really take a lot

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Speaker 13: of abuse back there, even when he shouldn't have been

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Speaker 13: back there.

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Speaker 6: And I think there's something to be said about that.

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Speaker 13: When we talk about how that quarterback room graded last season,

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Speaker 13: they were thirty first in PFF passing grade and JJ

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Speaker 13: McCarthy thirty fifth out of forty three qualifying quarterbacks. Carson

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Speaker 13: Wentz he was fortieth, so they really didn't get enough

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Speaker 13: out of the position. And we talk about what Kevin

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Speaker 13: O'Connell can do now. I know that the performance last

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Speaker 13: season is sort of a black mark on that record

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Speaker 13: for Kevin O'Connell, but with what we saw with Sam

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Speaker 13: Darnold and how he really brought him along, I'm confident

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Speaker 13: that adding a guy like Kyler Murray to this offense

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Speaker 13: can really help him to excel. And one of the

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Speaker 13: things that I mean we have to talk about is

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Speaker 13: when you're getting a guy with an immense upside and

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Speaker 13: he has all of this contract money that's being paid

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Speaker 13: for by his former team, to the point that he

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Speaker 13: can sign a basement level deal to potentially come in

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Speaker 13: and start for your franchise.

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Speaker 6: That's just a value that you cannot overlook.

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Speaker 13: And the Vikings were really fortunate to come into that windfall.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, again, I think it could be a good fit

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Speaker 2: up there. We'll see. The final guy on your list

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Speaker 2: is tackle Rashid Walker. Carolina signs him to a one year,

543
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Speaker 2: four million dollar deal. As you point out in the story,

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Speaker 2: he was projected to be maybe the top free agent

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Speaker 2: tackle and maybe looking at a payday of twenty mil

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Speaker 2: or more a year. The market never came back to him,

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Speaker 2: as you mentioned, not necessarily Walker, But just about the

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Speaker 2: market and free agency. Some guys just go out there

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Speaker 2: and immediately everybody think, oh, this guy is going to

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Speaker 2: be great. You know, a lot of teams could find him. Now,

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Speaker 2: in Walker's case, he couldn't run block. It was a

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Speaker 2: real challenge for him. But that's the way free agency

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Speaker 2: works a lot. You know, It's not always the guy

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Speaker 2: and his resume. It's always kind of like, well, how

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Speaker 2: does he fit into what we're doing? And I think

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Speaker 2: that happened to a lot of players in free agency

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Speaker 2: again this year.

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Speaker 6: Would you agree, Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 13: I mean, and when we look at Walker, I think

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Speaker 13: it also comes with trends and when we see some

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Speaker 13: of the most successful teams in what they did and

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Speaker 13: the EBB and flow, it's the copycat league. And I

563
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Speaker 13: think one of the things that the Seattle Seahawks did

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Speaker 13: as such a run dominant team is that they showed

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Speaker 13: the rest of the NFL like, hey, you can win

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Speaker 13: football games with strong defense and with running the football.

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Speaker 13: So I think that really turned teams away from Walker.

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Speaker 13: I think, you know, as a solid pass protector, I

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Speaker 13: think a lot of people maybe have credited that to

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Speaker 13: Jordan Love's ability to sort of move within the pocket.

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Speaker 13: He has great pocket awareness, and I think that sometimes

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Speaker 13: that overshadowed that Walker was a solid pass protector. Now, frankly,

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Speaker 13: all things considered, I even in the projections as being

574
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Speaker 13: a twenty million dollars per season player, the tackle class

575
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Speaker 13: was low. It wasn't really the deepest number of guys

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Speaker 13: where you really had a ton of top options. And

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Speaker 13: I think that when you see how a lot of

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Speaker 13: teams have actually addressed important positions like tackle through the

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Speaker 13: trade market over the last few years, I think that

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Speaker 13: teams are more willing to maybe go that direction than

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Speaker 13: to pay a guy they have question marks twenty million

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Speaker 13: a years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just it just seems logical for

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Speaker 2: them to do that, particularly and I hate to single

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Speaker 2: out again Rashid Walker, but particularly in some of these players,

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Speaker 2: it just aren't a fit.

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Speaker 3: Do you think the Bengals are done?

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Speaker 2: We raised the specter of perhaps signing a linebacker that

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Speaker 2: remains out there, But if you had to lay a bet,

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Speaker 2: would it be on them doing something like that and letting,

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Speaker 2: in essence, the market come back to the team on

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Speaker 2: some of these players, or do you think that they

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Speaker 2: go and look for a linebacker and around number number

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Speaker 2: one or number two if possible.

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Speaker 13: You know, wishful thinking would say, I hope that they

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Speaker 13: do main active try.

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Speaker 6: To get into the market.

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Speaker 13: On this later phase, get some discounts on guys. That's

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Speaker 13: really their biggest avenue to improve that defense this season.

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Speaker 13: I think continuing to rely on young talent is going

601
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Speaker 13: to come back to bite them to some degree, because.

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Speaker 6: You really do have a window.

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Speaker 13: I wrote about this, but if you get even just

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Speaker 13: a league average defense in Cincinnati, this is a tough

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Speaker 13: team to beat, and Joe Burrow can make that happen.

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Speaker 13: So I really would like to see them continue to

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Speaker 13: try to, you know, gauge the market, find some values

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Speaker 13: that fit for them and figure it out that way,

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Speaker 13: and then fill out the rest of the roster with

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Speaker 13: young talent.

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Speaker 3: Good story, good analysis. I love it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's concise, it's interesting, and it gives

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Speaker 2: you an idea of what other teams are doing in

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Speaker 2: free agency with regard to contract structure and filling needs

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Speaker 2: in some cases at very reasonable rates. All right, Mason,

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Speaker 2: stay well, be in touch. Say well, we'll hear you

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Speaker 2: down the road. You bet, you bet. It is nine

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Speaker 2: and they're here to play this. Which is your key

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Speaker 2: to call in because we have two tickets to a

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Speaker 2: future Reds game on the line. If you are the

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Speaker 2: seventh correct caller to identify the play of the game

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Speaker 2: from last night, you know the number five, one threes,

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Speaker 15: Breaking ball, looping liner left field down for a hit.

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Speaker 15: They're waving around Fredel, I'm throwing Anthony drove to the plate,

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Speaker 15: not in time, Fredo times across the plate, and the

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Speaker 15: Reds walking off at eleven six to.

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Speaker 2: Five, Brigod Dame Myers with the game winning hit.

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Speaker 3: And there you go.

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Speaker 2: Stephen Jones of the Mainville Jones Klan has won these

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Speaker 2: two tickets to a future Reds game. Now I'll be

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Speaker 2: Wait on this Sunday, Good morning Reds Baseball on the

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Speaker 2: Horizon Game three and the three game set. We get

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Speaker 2: to see Rhett Louder on the mound for the Reds

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Speaker 2: rookie season a couple of years ago, and then of

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Speaker 2: course he missed all of twenty twenty five with injuries.

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Speaker 2: You'll hear it here on seven hundred WLW. So a

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Speaker 2: that Indiana won the nat National title, but a lot

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Speaker 3: In fact, that's what.

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Speaker 2: They're in the middle of it the University of Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: and college football is becoming, much like college basketball, a

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00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: very difficult sports have followed during the regular season. And

658
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Speaker 2: here's why. If you're a fan of a team and

659
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 2: you know this and you want to see every single game,

660
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: you have to subscribe to various networks. ESPN plus may

661
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: need to have basic cable, may need to have some

662
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: other cable channels added on. It's expensive, and the NFL

663
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: is no different. Major League Baseball is becoming that way.

664
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Speaker 2: It's difficult to follow a team unless you want to

665
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 2: lay out a lot of money. It's also becoming difficult

666
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 2: because of conference affiliation and the constant turmoil of teams

667
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 2: changing conferences and rivalries that are just more unthinkable ten

668
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Speaker 2: years ago. All of a sudden, now you've got use

669
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Speaker 2: and Southern cal making trips out east to play teams

670
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Speaker 2: that live in places like Maryland, in places that live

671
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: in Champagne, Illinois. I mean, it's crazy when you just

672
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 2: think of what it's come to. But nevertheless, college football

673
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: has survived a lot of that and has flourished. But

674
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: is it now beginning to call a little bit This

675
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: week Tommy Tuberville, Yes, the Tommy Tubberville came out with

676
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: a plan to save college football. And now I'm just

677
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 2: reading Stuart Mandel in the Athletic dot Com and he

678
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 2: had his weekly mail bag and somewhat actually made an

679
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Speaker 2: analogy between where NASCAR was and what NASCAR has become,

680
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Speaker 2: which is almost an afterthought in the spectrum of sports

681
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking to myself, well, if that is in

682
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Speaker 2: the realm of discussion on the Athletic dot Com, what

683
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Speaker 2: does Stuart Mandel think? Lucky for me, I have his

684
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Speaker 2: phone number. Lucky for us, he's standing by to join

685
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Speaker 2: us live on all of this here on seven hundred

686
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Speaker 2: w wel w W And Stuart, how are you on

687
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: this glorious Sunday. I'm I'm well and I'm you know,

688
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Speaker 2: there's never a bad day to talk about college football.

689
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Speaker 2: And as I mentioned to you off the air when

690
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 2: we talked about this, your Stuart Mandel Mailbang Mandel's mail bank.

691
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Speaker 2: You always have interesting questions, but you have great answers.

692
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Speaker 2: But this was a very I think sincere question that

693
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: might have gone off the rails when a comparison was made.

694
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Speaker 2: But it is becoming more and more difficult for a

695
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: fan to follow his or her team. The question was

696
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: ratings are high for television sports the the writers said,

697
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Speaker 2: he would suggest the changes have been made have made

698
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Speaker 2: the sport more accessible. However, he turns to an analogy

699
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: to Nascar, where turning off your base is in essence

700
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Speaker 2: hurting you long term. It gets back to what it

701
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: costs to be a fan. With streaming issues or just

702
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Speaker 2: being able to follow your team week to week. And

703
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Speaker 2: you make a great point. You don't agree with the

704
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: NASCAR analogy, but nevertheless, I think college sports has got

705
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 2: to figure out a way to get these prices back

706
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Speaker 2: to reality for a lot of their fans.

707
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Speaker 16: Would you agree, Well, there's so many things that have

708
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Speaker 16: happened in college sports last five years, and none of

709
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Speaker 16: them have been to the betterment of the fans, right,

710
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Speaker 16: I don't think the fans. I don't think realignment has

711
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Speaker 16: been good for college supports fans for the most part,

712
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Speaker 16: and I own the portal. I think have made the

713
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Speaker 16: product better, but it's also made it harder for fans.

714
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Speaker 16: People open their teams, and obviously, you know a lot

715
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Speaker 16: of frustration when a player on your team who you've

716
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Speaker 16: become very invested in suddenly of them leaves, and so

717
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Speaker 16: I get that. I get the frustration and honestly a

718
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 16: lot of angst the last couple of years that I

719
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Speaker 16: get directed in the mail bag or the comments, a

720
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Speaker 16: lot of people saying I'm done with this or I'm

721
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Speaker 16: going to be done with this.

722
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Speaker 17: But to this point, there's no indication that's happened. Earning

723
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Speaker 17: million people about.

724
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Speaker 16: Our football National championship this year a highest number in

725
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Speaker 16: a decade. Mark madness as we speak, is setting all

726
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Speaker 16: kinds of records. So it's a weird time where the

727
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 16: behind the scenes of the sport is totally messed up,

728
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 16: but the product is just as exciting and if not

729
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Speaker 16: more exciting than effort.

730
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Speaker 17: So the reason I've.

731
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Speaker 16: Heard that NASCAR comparison a lot, how NASCAR got away

732
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Speaker 16: from their diehard fans and now it's just not what

733
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Speaker 16: it once was popularity wise. But I do think a

734
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Speaker 16: big difference is and why they can keep getting away

735
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Speaker 16: with this is that there's no deeper bond in sports,

736
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Speaker 16: and an alum is to their school, right to a

737
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Speaker 16: fan who's been rooting for the same school for decades.

738
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Speaker 16: And so whether you're a TV network or commissioner or

739
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Speaker 16: an ad you just kind of assume that no matter

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Speaker 16: what happens, Alabama fans, you're gonna keep coming back. Uh,

741
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Speaker 16: Cincinnati fans are gonna keep coming back. I State fans

742
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 16: keeps coming back. Versus you know, being a fan of

743
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Speaker 16: a certain driver or a certain team.

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Speaker 2: Gotta have money, I mean, you gotta have you gotta

745
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 2: have nil, right, you gotta have you gotta have money.

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Speaker 3: And you're right.

747
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Speaker 2: It's almost worse than NFL free agency anymore. Here today

748
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: play to day gone tomorrow, and it does. It does

749
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Speaker 2: get frustrating, but it all boils down I think to

750
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Speaker 2: money and and and and that's where I get into

751
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Speaker 2: the the just the inability for the average guy to

752
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Speaker 2: afford either tickets to these events or to watch his

753
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: team on TV. If you're a fan of the University

754
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati's football team, you're gonna have to have ESPN Plus.

755
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: Same for basketball, you gonna have to have ESPN Plus

756
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Speaker 2: on top of whatever else you may have for a

757
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Speaker 2: cable bill and things like that. I I I feel

758
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Speaker 2: like even though the Alabamas of the world will survive,

759
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Speaker 2: the Ohio States of the world will survive with whatever

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Speaker 2: they want to charge fans to follow their team. I

761
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Speaker 2: think some of these other teams that aren't these legacy

762
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Speaker 2: programs are in for some rough sledding.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 2: It's all one loss driven, you know. I mean, the

765
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Speaker 2: more you win, the more people are going to go

766
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Speaker 2: to the game and watch you, watch you play. But

767
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Speaker 2: it's also that residual money that could be in play

768
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Speaker 2: here as well. I just I think the average guys

769
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Speaker 2: getting priced out.

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Speaker 3: Of this stuff.

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Speaker 17: Oh, no question. I don't know if that's specific to college.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, not at all.

773
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Speaker 2: The FCC is taking up this whole thing with baseball

774
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Speaker 2: now with it, well, you got to have you have

775
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Speaker 2: to have five streaming platforms to watch every single baseball game.

776
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Speaker 2: I think it's gotten the attention of the people in Washington,

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Speaker 2: d C.

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Speaker 16: As wells have been frustrated the last couple of years.

779
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Speaker 17: You got to have Peacocks, especially for basketball.

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Speaker 16: You gotta have you gotta have h if you're you know,

781
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Speaker 16: of course I got something that gets the Big ten network.

782
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 16: Obviously Big Network has their streaming service. You gotta have Peacock.

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Speaker 16: It's like I think the the leagues and house conferences

784
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 16: have always for a long time seen the streaming services

785
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 16: is kind of the savior, right, So they have so

786
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 16: much money without really thinking about the effect of making

787
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 16: it so much more, so much harder for the fans

788
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Speaker 16: to wash their teams.

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Speaker 2: You have alignment here, and I totally agree with it.

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Speaker 2: Do you say conference realignment in particular has been mostly

791
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 2: a big middle finger in the face of loyal fans,

792
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Speaker 2: but the whole idea of conference realignment was based on money,

793
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Speaker 2: was it not. I mean, it's who can we get

794
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: the most eyeballs to our particular conference television network. And

795
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Speaker 2: when some of those started to sputter, who can we

796
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Speaker 2: align ourselves with in other schools where the national TV

797
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: dollars are just bigger? So I mean conference realignment maybe

798
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Speaker 2: at the root of all of this, right.

799
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Speaker 16: Offer relignment, and especially the most recent round of it,

800
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Speaker 16: has basically turned the conferences into TV trowlgaring packages.

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Speaker 17: And so when usc UCI went to the Big ten in.

802
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Speaker 16: Oregon and Washington follow a year later, that was solely

803
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Speaker 16: the sole purpose of that was that now Fox and

804
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Speaker 16: NBC and CBS are going to get a couple more

805
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Speaker 16: games a year that you would consared to be blockbuster games. Right,

806
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Speaker 16: You're going to get Ohio State playing Oregon, You're going

807
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 16: to get USC playing Michigan, and they're going to get

808
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Speaker 16: huge audiences.

809
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Speaker 17: And that's that's great for them.

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Speaker 16: What people don't talk about is the other six seven

811
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Speaker 16: games a year Oregon played against schools.

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Speaker 17: They have nothing in common with.

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Speaker 16: And you know, the USC fans who loves to make

814
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Speaker 16: those used to love to make those trips, uh, you know,

815
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 16: quick trip to the Bay Area or Temptee and see

816
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Speaker 16: their team. Now they're the team's playing in Iowa and

817
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 16: Illinois and they can't go to those games. So and

818
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Speaker 16: also it's not just the webtok teams that were affected.

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Speaker 16: You know, Michigan State last year had a game in

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Speaker 16: UFC that kicked off with ten third Eastern ten thirty

821
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Speaker 16: family trip.

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Speaker 17: None of these things are good for fans, you know.

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Speaker 16: It's like they try to just sell it as all

824
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Speaker 16: this is so exciting, we've got uh you know now

825
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Speaker 16: now that think ten goes coast to coast, well, I

826
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Speaker 16: would ask you know, how fans of the fans of

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Speaker 16: the you know, existing they sent teams, how they've enjoyed

828
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Speaker 16: that or not enjoyed that.

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Speaker 17: And also the fans of the West. You know, I

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Speaker 17: think Oregon globing it because they've been dominating. But the

831
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Speaker 17: other schools, I think it's been very clunky.

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Speaker 2: R O good buddy here at the University of Cincinnati. Now,

833
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Speaker 2: the senator from the great State of Alabama, Tommy Tubberville,

834
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Speaker 2: the man who fancies himself to be their next governor,

835
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Speaker 2: has introduced the latest piece of legislation to save college sports.

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Speaker 3: And you're right about it.

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Speaker 2: This week in the Athletic dot Com headline, Senator to

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Speaker 2: Tommy Tubberville has the right strategy to save college sports

839
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Speaker 2: dot dot dot really and basically what they say is

840
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Speaker 2: from what I can tell from reading your story, is

841
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 2: that an athlete would be able to play immediately, but

842
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: could transfer just once in his or her career and

843
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 2: have a fixed alibility term of five consecutive years to

844
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Speaker 2: play five seasons. Some of these seasons stretch out, as

845
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: you well know far past that. Basically, what it does

846
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: is give the NCAA a limited anti trust exemption for

847
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Speaker 2: transfer rules. It all sounds good, but as you also

848
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Speaker 2: point out later in this article, his chance of getting

849
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Speaker 2: this bill pass are slim and none. But it does

850
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Speaker 2: make some sense and bring some sanity back to a

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00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 2: portal that has gotten out of control a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 17: Well, the thing that the trust me.

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Speaker 16: I never thought I would be writing a column about

855
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 16: center Tyberville's great idea. But the reason everything you know,

856
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 16: the college sports industry is hoping Congress will save them

857
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 16: for the last several years. The problem is the bill,

858
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 16: the Score Act, the big one is just got some

859
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Speaker 16: things in it that are a non starter on the

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Speaker 16: Democratic side, of the aisles, the big one being there

861
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Speaker 16: would be a declaration, a permanent exploration that college athletes

862
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 16: can never be classified as employees. Now it's fair to,

863
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 16: you know, to agree or disagree on whether they actually

864
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 16: should become employees, right.

865
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Speaker 17: But just taking away that right.

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Speaker 16: Is not going to go over and I think they

867
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Speaker 16: realize that it's not going to get through the Senate.

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Speaker 7: Other bills like that.

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Speaker 16: Like basically, they're very they cut very deep. They want

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Speaker 16: these broad sweeping changes because that I don't think they're

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Speaker 16: going to get any of them, how many Severervill's bill

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00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 16: is very narrow. It only addresses those two issues transfer

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Speaker 16: portal and eligibility, not ANIL, not employment, any of that,

874
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 16: and they're frankly pretty uncontroversial. I think most people agree

875
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 16: that unlimited free agency guys transferring every year is not

876
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 16: healthy for anybody, and having seventh, eighth, ninth year guys

877
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 16: in college is not healthy for anybody. If you could

878
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 16: actually get people to take that bill seriously, I think

879
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 16: it would actually pass pretty easily because those are there's

880
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 16: no reason why those issues would become left versus right issue.

881
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 16: So I think whether that exact bill gets off the

882
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 16: ground or not, he has the right strategy take care

883
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,439
Speaker 16: of some of these, like immediate pressing things that would

884
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 16: make the sport better rather than, you know, do it

885
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 16: more incrementally, rather than shooting for the moon and trying

886
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 16: to save every aspect of college sports in one bill.

887
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, but.

888
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: As as scripted in your story and as scripted by Tuberville,

889
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: this this has got no chance. You might not even

890
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 2: get all Republicans voting for something like this.

891
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 16: I mean, I just think they're First of all, I

892
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 16: couldn't believe he kind of there the hearing issuing, he

893
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 16: just basically came out.

894
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 17: And said, like, I don't think it has much chance.

895
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 16: But it's the part of the problem is that there's

896
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 16: a new one of these every week, somebody, congressman, senator,

897
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 16: somebody proposes his, you know, his or her great bill

898
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 16: to save college sports. So they all just kind of

899
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 16: run together, right.

900
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do.

901
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: And I call a toothpas paste back of the tube.

902
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: It's out. You're not going to be able to do it,

903
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 2: but it is what it is. There's been judgments on this,

904
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 2: so anybody that thinks that this stuff is going to

905
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: go away and never happen again is crazy. The portal

906
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: will be here, Nil will be here. And my guess

907
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: is it's not going to get smaller or get real

908
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: then it's going to get bigger. I mean, anything else

909
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 2: at this point I think would be a restraint of trade,

910
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: wouldn't it.

911
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 16: I think at the end of the day, the whole

912
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 16: thing boils down to they're trying to cling to the

913
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 16: whole system of just pure they're student athletes, amateurism, it's

914
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 16: an extracurricular activity, while at the same time it absolutely

915
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 16: is a full on professional league.

916
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 17: We have agents, we have contracts, all that stuff. So

917
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 17: until there's a a.

918
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 16: Moment where everybody says, Okay, let's just accept this and

919
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 16: be realistic about it, and we have to structure this

920
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 16: more like a business, like a professional league, you know

921
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 16: you're just gonna this is just going to keep happening.

922
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Stuart, I think long after you're done right and

923
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: long after I've left this earth, there will still be

924
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: people writing about the great Ohio State my State Michigan game,

925
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 2: but it's about to happen this coming Saturday, or the

926
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: Ohio University Miami game that's coming upward. I think we

927
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: just see these things pop up from time to time,

928
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: like the letter in your in your mail bag, and

929
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 2: like Tuberville, I just don't think it's anything but come flapping.

930
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: Would you agree?

931
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 16: Well, here's the thing, and I've always said this, college

932
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,959
Speaker 16: football has the longest offseason in sports too.

933
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 17: And eight months offseason, which give people eight months.

934
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 16: To get in the weeds on some of these you know,

935
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 16: off the field issues and debate and argue. Come the

936
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 16: first Saturday in September when you wake up and you

937
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 16: turn on game day, Yeah, and you turn into like

938
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 16: it all gets not I wouldn't say forgotten, but it goes.

939
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 3: To the backwards exactly.

940
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 16: Everybody remembers that college There's nothing in my mind that

941
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 16: needs to college football Saturday. You don't get that many

942
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 16: of them. The games are exciting. Indiana just won the

943
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 16: national champion. I mean, if anything, we should be talking

944
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 16: about that and whatever remarkable see them we had last year?

945
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Amen?

946
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: Hey, great catching up with your good stuff in the

947
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 2: Athletic dot Com is where you can find Stuart Mandel

948
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 2: for your time today.

949
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 3: Thank you, Stewart, stay well, we'll visit down the road. Okay.

950
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 17: Thanks againing bet.

951
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: Eight months of off season. By my account, it is

952
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty days until Saturday, September the fifth,

953
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: when the University of Cincinnati takes on Boston College to

954
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 2: start the twenty twenty six college football season. It is

955
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 2: ten twenty four though on this Sunday, and it is

956
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: a Sunday when we find out who the next two

957
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 2: are in the final four.

958
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 3: Two en two to go. We'll get into more of

959
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 3: that next on seven hundred w l W.

960
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: We have Tennessee and Michigan at two fifteen today and

961
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 2: then ukonan Duke at five oh five. Those are the

962
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 2: final two games games in the Elite eight, and after

963
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 2: that it's onto the final four. Whoever wins today joins

964
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: Illinois and Arizona, winners yesterday, and games that were fairly similar.

965
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I have Illinois that was was down four

966
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 2: at the half and then storms back with forty three

967
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: to twenty seven advantage in the second half, and Arizona,

968
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: which held Purdue to its second lowest point total of

969
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 2: the season last night produced scoring sixty four points huge

970
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: second half run for Arizona in a seventy nine sixty

971
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: four win over the Boilermakers. So Arizona and Illinois in

972
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: two more to join them later today and soaking it

973
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 2: all up. Besides you and me is my next guest.

974
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 2: Cole Adbminson is one of the editors at the website

975
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: Busting Brackets dot Com, where brackets were busted this year,

976
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 2: probably by the round of thirty two for about one hundred,

977
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 2: maybe ninety eight percent of the country's very strange starts

978
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 2: at this tournament. But nevertheless, here we are on the

979
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 2: eve of the final four, and it's great to have

980
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: Cole Adminson join us here from the headquarters of Busting

981
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: brackets dot com.

982
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 3: And Cole, how are you on this glorious Sunday.

983
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 8: I'm doing well, Ken, thanks for having me.

984
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 3: As always, I'm glad you're back now. Illinois.

985
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a blueprint for other teams,

986
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 2: but they have hit Eastern Europe and Greece very hard.

987
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 2: Stoyakovich seventeen points yesterday, he's from Greece. And then they

988
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 2: have the seven foot twins seven foot one Thomas Lom,

989
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: seven foot two's Vonimir Ivasich and they're from Croatia. So

990
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if Illinois has figured this out, why haven't

991
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 2: other colleges figured this out? What's Illinois got on them? Yeah?

992
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 18: It's really interesting to see how this has kind of

993
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 18: come to fruition, so to speak. And what's interesting thing

994
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 18: about it is when brand Underwood started up in Illinois,

995
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 18: this wasn't his identity so to speak. He's kind of

996
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 18: evolved and they've kind of hit this shift where the

997
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 18: best talent that they're going to get, well, we believe

998
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 18: it's in Eastern Europe, right And obviously they have good

999
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 18: assistant coaches that are internationally connected so to speak, such

1000
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 18: as Jeff Alexander Orlando, Antigua. And it really hit the

1001
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 18: ground running, and I think it should be a blueprint

1002
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 18: then a lot of teams should follow. You do see

1003
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 18: it with some other teams, like, for example, when Randy

1004
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 18: Bennett was at Saint Mary's now he's obviously at Arizona

1005
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 18: State now, but they were strict in Australia that was

1006
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 18: their thing, right, Or you go even Gonzaga, Gonzagas goes.

1007
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 18: They got a lot of guys to go overseas as well.

1008
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 18: But the blueprint specifically for Illinois in Eastern Europe is

1009
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 18: really is such an interesting trend and it's worked out

1010
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 18: phenomenally for them this season and it was really cool

1011
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 18: to see them in that second half just really kind

1012
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 18: of put the break, kind of really put their pedal

1013
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 18: to the medal against Iowa there and get that win,

1014
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 18: and now they're off to the Final four first time

1015
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 18: since two thousand and five.

1016
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:05,439
Speaker 8: Pretty cool to see.

1017
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: No, it is cool, and you know, other as you said,

1018
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 2: other schools have done it. It's happened here in Cincinnati

1019
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: with both Xavier and the University of Cincinnati. I just

1020
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 2: don't think other schools have been able to find two

1021
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 2: seven foot brothers twin brothers walking around.

1022
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 3: They know how to play basketball.

1023
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 18: That's the difference, right, Oh, absolutely, And yeah, the Vsages

1024
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 18: were phenomenal and they've been phenomenal all year.

1025
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 8: And I think, you know, I know.

1026
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 18: There's little bumps and bruises along the way with Thomas Lov.

1027
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 8: I've heard some things. But at the same time though that,

1028
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 8: I thought Thomas lov was awesome last night. To thirteen points.

1029
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 8: He was great.

1030
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 18: They had four rebounds and Illinois I think would help

1031
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 18: them win that game specifically was.

1032
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 8: Just win the glass, right.

1033
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 18: They rebounded them. I believe it was thirty eight to

1034
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 18: twenty one. It was something like there was a plus

1035
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 18: sixteen plus seventeen rebound differential and a game like this

1036
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 18: against Iowa where it feels like sometimes possessions are maximized

1037
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 18: a lot because Iowa does like this blow you down.

1038
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 18: And I thought they did a good job against in

1039
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 18: the first half to slow Illinois down. But once you

1040
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 18: can generate those second chance opportunities, and with Illinois, obviously

1041
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 18: their linked with the with those twins is just phenomenal

1042
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 18: to see and I think that's really paid dividends down

1043
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 18: this tretch and that it was especially evident here in

1044
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 18: that second half.

1045
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1046
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, And now they get the winner of the

1047
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: Duke Yukon game. What is the better matchup in your

1048
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 2: opinion for Illinois. Would it be Yukon or would it

1049
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: be Duke.

1050
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 18: Yeah, you know, you get to this point of the season,

1051
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 18: it's like final four.

1052
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 8: Either team is gonna be tough.

1053
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 18: But I think the better matchup for Illinois to advance

1054
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 18: to the national Championship will be Yukon.

1055
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 8: It just I think with Duke.

1056
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 18: Sometimes obviously you got Boozer matches up well, but Duke,

1057
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 18: you know, I know there's been they haven't played their

1058
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 18: best in the NCAA tournament.

1059
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 8: Their backs against the wall.

1060
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 18: I guess in all three games Sienna, saying with TCU

1061
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 18: in that first half, even in Saint John's, their backs

1062
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 18: are against the wall. Well, but do you kind of

1063
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 18: they have that six years, so to speak, they can

1064
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 18: kind of kind of get it on in a hurry.

1065
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 18: And I think sometimes with Duke Is obviously the metrics

1066
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 18: love him, and I know that if the ANC Tournament

1067
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 18: hasn't been specifically they haven't played forty minutes of great basketball.

1068
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 18: But I think Yukon will be a better matchup for

1069
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 18: Illinois if they want to advance into the National Championship.

1070
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:30,439
Speaker 2: We obviously know all about Arizona here in Cincinnati, and

1071
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 2: UC fans obviously remember that game back on the end

1072
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 2: of January where they went out to play at Arizona

1073
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 2: and got beat seventy seven to fifty one. You see,

1074
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 2: was in a kind of a resurgence from their season

1075
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 2: at that point. But they go out to Arizona and

1076
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 2: they get smacked. They're only down six at the half,

1077
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 2: but then Arizona outscores them by twenty in the second

1078
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 2: half of that game and wins seventy seven to fifty one.

1079
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 2: CoA Pete a little bit about him. I had what

1080
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 2: you have twenty five last night. He was I'm sorry,

1081
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 2: twenty on nine of eighteen shooting. Last night he had

1082
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 2: eighteen against I believe Cincinnati in that game on the

1083
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 2: twenty first of January. Pete is an interesting player. He's

1084
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 2: a freshman, but he doesn't play like a freshman. How

1085
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 2: much trouble do you think he will be either for

1086
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 2: Tennessee or Michigan in that next matchup, which would occur

1087
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 2: in the final four.

1088
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 18: Yeah, plenty of trouble. Coop Peede is obviously, he started

1089
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 18: the season. He was guns of blazing, right he was.

1090
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 18: He was the storyline through the start of the season,

1091
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 18: and rightfully. So he's a freshman, but you're right, he

1092
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 18: doesn't play like a freshman. You kind of see some

1093
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 18: of these guys when is he's six foot six foot nine,

1094
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 18: six foot eight something like that, but he played longer.

1095
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 18: But he's very You see a lot of freshmen, and

1096
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,720
Speaker 18: I think sometimes when one thing to look at with freshman,

1097
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 18: you just you gotta look at efficiency sometimes, and I

1098
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 18: think Coop Pete, obviously he's one of the more efficient

1099
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 18: players in the country.

1100
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 8: Are shooting. I believe it over easily over fifty percent.

1101
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 18: I want to say he's close to fifty five fifty

1102
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 18: four percent from the field.

1103
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 8: He's just he's very mature for.

1104
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 18: His age, and I think that's something that really that

1105
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 18: that's something that holds ground, especially once you get deep

1106
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 18: in Now we're gonna get into April here, right, and

1107
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 18: I when you get some guys here that.

1108
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 8: Are extremely mature.

1109
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 18: They got they can do a lot of impact more

1110
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 18: than just scoring. Right, He's been good on the glass.

1111
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 18: He's actually not that he's not even a bad passer either.

1112
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 18: There's a lot of good things about him. He won't

1113
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 18: shoot the three very often, but when he does, it

1114
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 18: seems like he can go one for two from a

1115
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 18: game too as well. And I know that's not Arizona's identity,

1116
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 18: but it does kind of add just another dimension to

1117
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 18: him as well.

1118
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 8: And I think that's just something that makes.

1119
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 18: Him just that much more dangerous now as we get

1120
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 18: to Indianapolis.

1121
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that.

1122
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 2: I just think that it's it's been interesting to watch

1123
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 2: his development. You're right, he came out of the shoot

1124
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 2: just blazing defensive in that game. What did Arizona do

1125
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 2: to just clamp down on Purdue? In your opinion, they

1126
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: only shot thirty eight percent perdue this was one of

1127
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 2: the best scoring teams in the country. What exactly did

1128
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 2: Arizona do in that game?

1129
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 18: Yeah, for me, it would have looked like there for

1130
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 18: a lot of the time was Purdue just could find

1131
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 18: their rhythm.

1132
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 8: And you know with things, things.

1133
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 18: Tend to snowball, right, One thing leads to another, And

1134
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 18: I thought what Arizona did is continued to keep the

1135
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 18: pressure on Purdue. And I think defensively what they did

1136
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 18: really well. I thought they did. You're not obviously, here's

1137
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 18: the thing. When you're playing against Braden Smith, you know

1138
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 18: he's gonna probably have five I mean, it's a guarantee

1139
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 18: he's good. I'm absolutely gonna have five or more assists.

1140
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 18: But I believe Brady Smith only had seven assists for him, Right.

1141
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 18: You want to make sure that you keep that impact.

1142
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 18: You don't want to get him into double ditched assists.

1143
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 10: Right.

1144
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 18: Fleudge and Lawyer thought they did a good job of

1145
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 18: keeping him off the perimeter. He only made two threes

1146
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 18: that game. That's something that's important there as well. Treykoff

1147
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 18: and Red Ostrey Pluff. I thought they were okay down low,

1148
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 18: but again, Arizona is a team too that for Trey

1149
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 18: Coffin Red, for example, he only had two rebounds, right,

1150
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 18: And I think there's some things with Arizona where you know,

1151
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 18: it's in those little things against the things that Purdue

1152
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 18: as good strength wise, Right, Trey Coffin Red's obviously a

1153
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 18: really good rebounder.

1154
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 8: Well, he only had two rebounds tonight.

1155
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 18: So it's the things that Arizona did was a lot

1156
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 18: of those little things and it kind of allowed that

1157
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 18: to snowball and next thing, you know, Arizona outscores Purdue

1158
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 18: forty eight to twenty six in that second half.

1159
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, tonight, have you been up all night in the game, Yeah.

1160
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 8: It's it's been a long night.

1161
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 18: I mean I yeah, there was a lot of stuff

1162
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 18: going on, a lot of stuff to digest. It's probably

1163
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 18: thankfully today, right, it's Sunday. The games are on in

1164
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 18: the afternoon. I'm okay with that. I can live with that.

1165
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 8: But yeah, I'll tell you what, those sweet sixteen games,

1166
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 8: those those were late.

1167
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 2: Those were late, Yeah, they were they were. We got

1168
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 2: ten See Michigan at two two fifteen. Today, let's just

1169
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 2: talk a little bit about Tennessee six seed. They've had

1170
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 2: a nice run. I really like Jacobe Gillespie he's a senior,

1171
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 2: a little undersized at six to one, but I mean

1172
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 2: I looked at him against Iowa State played I want

1173
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 2: to say, all but two or three minutes sixteen points.

1174
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 2: You had twenty one against Virginia a week ago. If

1175
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 2: you're a Michigan what do you do with Jacobe Gillespie

1176
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 2: of Tennessee in this game.

1177
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 18: Yeah, it's interesting matchup because when you initially think of

1178
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 18: this matchup, you think of the rebounding, right, because Tennessee

1179
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 18: is one of the best offensive rebounding teams in the

1180
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 18: country according to Bart Torvik. They're actually number one in

1181
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 18: offensive rebound percentage in the country. Right, But that doesn't

1182
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 18: take away the impact that Jacobe Gilepsi takes in the backcourt.

1183
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 18: Right When you think of this matchup, you're always thinking

1184
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 18: front court because obviously Michigan two as well.

1185
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 8: It's there. They're the definition of a big front court.

1186
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 18: Mara dinyamares John got you asked Lindenborg who could play

1187
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 18: down low, and there's just but Jacoby Gealepsi specifically is

1188
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 18: going to be the key for tenthis Tennessee that I

1189
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 18: don't They're not gonna out rebound, They're not gonna it's

1190
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 18: gonna be hard to clash, to crash the glasses.

1191
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 8: It's Michigan.

1192
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 18: You just kind of got to match their toughness. So

1193
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 18: for Geleepsi, the key for him is it's gonna be simple.

1194
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 18: He's got to be that veteran presence, just like he

1195
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 18: was last year in the Sweet sixteen over at Maryland.

1196
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 18: It's it's he's a guard. He's steady, he's experienced, and

1197
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 18: there's a lot of good things you could take away

1198
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 18: from him. He's had a really good NCA tournament.

1199
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 8: He's gonna have to dictate that. It won't be easy.

1200
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 18: Obviously, they'll probably be on Elliot Cado and Elliot Caddo

1201
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 18: has also had a really good season. But that's what

1202
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 18: makes the matchups in the Elite eighth, the game to

1203
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 18: go to the Final four, so intriguing.

1204
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 8: There's so many different intricacies at play right now.

1205
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like linden Borg's game a lot. With Michigan

1206
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 2: and Michigan can. I mean, they got guys that they

1207
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 2: give you a minutes. Nobody seems to get worn out.

1208
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 2: He can go eight deep on their bench, which is

1209
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 2: eight total with their bench, So it's it's it's a

1210
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 2: pretty formidable team and worthy of that number one seed.

1211
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 2: Who's the worst matchup for Arizona? Would it be Tennessee

1212
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 2: or Michigan in that semi final game.

1213
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 18: Yeah, Arizona does not want to face Michigan. It's just

1214
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 18: you do not want to face the Michigan is. They

1215
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 18: could beat you in so many different ways. They're just

1216
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 18: they're a well oiled machine. I got the chance to

1217
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 18: watch them, actually when not because I went to UW

1218
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 18: Madison and so I got to watch them when Wisconsin.

1219
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 7: Beat them in ann Arbor.

1220
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 18: But again, that was like the one loss they had

1221
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 18: at home all year, right, and still you just go along,

1222
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 18: you just take away just how good Michigan is and

1223
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 18: how good they've been all season.

1224
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 8: I mean, really, the only kind of puzzling loss.

1225
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 18: You could argue for them, and if really wasn't even

1226
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 18: a bad loss was the Big Ten Tournament championship, where

1227
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 18: they just didn't play a good second half, and that

1228
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 18: was it. Right, They've just been so consistent. If you're Arizona,

1229
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 18: you just don't want to play Michigan. The length, the

1230
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 18: positional size, there's just so many things with them that

1231
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 18: they can beat you. And they can What they do

1232
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 18: well too, is any mistake you make, they will capitalize

1233
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 18: on it, and that just makes them that much more deadly.

1234
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 2: The other game is a five ht five start, second

1235
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,439
Speaker 2: seed Connecticut, another number one seed Duke. We know about

1236
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 2: Connecticut out here, obviously because of the conference affiliation with Xavier.

1237
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I look at Connecticut and I see terrorist Reid,

1238
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 2: and I see Alex Caraman, and I'm wondering, is is

1239
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 2: that enough that frontline enough to carry them past Duke

1240
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 2: in this game or is there another matchup that might

1241
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 2: favor Yukon.

1242
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I think this is gonna be tough.

1243
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 18: This is this is one where you know, I do

1244
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 18: think if I had to guess, you know, my prediction

1245
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 18: would go to Duke here. But I think with Yukon,

1246
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 18: I obviously Caraban, Terrorist Reed had been awesome. You know,

1247
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 18: I think the X factor there for Yukon really a

1248
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 18: solid ball. I think there's a lot of good things

1249
01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 18: you can get from him. And you know what's the

1250
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 18: nice about him was he six foot three guards. He's

1251
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 18: not a great shooter from behind the yard, but what

1252
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 18: he does have is he was a part of that

1253
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 18: national championship, championship team in twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four,

1254
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 18: and I know it was a reserve role that he

1255
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 18: played there, but he's really come along.

1256
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 8: Great and that's going to be the X factor.

1257
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 18: I know he hasn't shot the ball as well as

1258
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 18: he wanted to this season. He was a forty percent

1259
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 18: three point shore last year and that's dipped significantly this year.

1260
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 18: But when you have a guy like that on top

1261
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 18: of obviously Caravan too as well that have had that

1262
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 18: championship experience, that's going to be something that's going to

1263
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 18: be needed, right for them to beat Dupe tonight.

1264
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, solo ball, Yeah, I mean he had a decent

1265
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 2: game against Michigan State and hit that forty percent mark

1266
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 2: in three point shots. All right, Cole, keep up the

1267
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 2: good work, Cole Edmonson. He is with Busting Brackets dot

1268
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: Com and his work is all over that website. Cole,

1269
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 2: stay well, we'll visit down the road.

1270
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,439
Speaker 18: Okay, thank you, Ken, thanks for your time.

1271
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 3: YEP.

1272
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 2: Two games today Tennessee Michigan two fifteen, Yukon Duke at

1273
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 2: five five. It is ten fifty five right now. News

1274
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 2: Radio seven hundred WLW.

1275
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: News Radio seven hundred WLW presents Sunday Morning Sportstock with

1276
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: your host Ken Brew on news Radio seven hundred WLW.

1277
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 2: You got the Reds and the Red Sox coming up

1278
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 2: later this afternoon. It is a one ten start down

1279
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 2: at Great American Ballpark, So stand by for all that

1280
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 2: as the Reds, not unlike the Red Sox, go for

1281
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 2: the series win here on this opening weekend of Major

1282
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 2: League Baseball. Major League Baseball's opening season. One forty first pitch,

1283
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, one forty first pitch, twelve forty for the

1284
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 2: inside pitch. The free agency season in the National Football

1285
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 2: League has hit a loll There was initially great and

1286
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 2: I suppose signings of need let's put it that way

1287
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 2: for NFL teams, and then it kind of waned after

1288
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 2: that first week to seven or eight days. And of

1289
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 2: course the Bengals signed Brian Cook. They also signed boy

1290
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 2: A Mafe, who they're placing a lot of their trust

1291
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 2: for pass rush on this year, and defensive lineman Jonathan Allen.

1292
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 2: But that's been it. They re opt with Orlando Brown Junior,

1293
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 2: and that's good. He had a contract extension that he signed.

1294
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,439
Speaker 2: And of course they're bringing back Joe Flacco. We talked

1295
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 2: about that earlier in the show. But there is a

1296
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: glaring need at linebacker, and we knew that going into

1297
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 2: free agency. The two linebackers they had last year, Demetrius

1298
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 2: Knight Junior and Barrett Carter.

1299
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 3: It didn't work, and it didn't work, probably because they

1300
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 3: were both rookies.

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Speaker 2: It didn't work, probably because they weren't good enough early

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Speaker 2: enough in that season. And it probably means the Bengals

1303
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 2: are looking in the draft to add some depth, if

1304
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 2: not starting talent, to that linebacking spot. Now they can

1305
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 2: go back into free agency, I mean, they're still open

1306
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 2: for business in the NFL and they could go and

1307
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 2: sign a linebacker like Bobby Wagner, who had a very

1308
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 2: good season, not great, but very good season with the

1309
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 2: Washington Commanders last year. Notine and a half tackles per game,

1310
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 2: that was pretty solid. But he's also thirty six years old.

1311
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 2: And the Commanders in the last couple of hours have

1312
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 2: said that they would be open to bringing Bobby Wagner back,

1313
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 2: and he has stated publicly he'd like to go back,

1314
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 2: so even he may not be an option for them.

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01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 2: So what's going on there and what does it mean

1316
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 2: as we look ahead to the NFL Draft? Which is

1317
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 2: now just I mean, we're talking weeks about a month

1318
01:07:58,520 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 2: away from beginning.

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Speaker 3: Standing by to join us.

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01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 2: It's our good buddy from cbssports dot com. Boy does

1321
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:06,919
Speaker 2: he write about the NFL? And does he write about

1322
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 2: it awfully?

1323
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 7: Well?

1324
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 2: He's Brian Diardo stationed right up there just outside Columbus,

1325
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 2: but kind enough to carve out some time for us

1326
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,879
Speaker 2: here today to talk about the Bengals and their glaring

1327
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 2: needs and what they've accomplished so far.

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Speaker 3: And Brian, how are you on this glorious Sunday.

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Speaker 7: Oh, I'm doing great, Chen, How about yourself?

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm okay.

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01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 2: I I don't want to say overwhelmed, but I'm a

1332
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 2: little bit disappointed that there has not been some sort

1333
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 2: of follow up act by the Bengals once they got

1334
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 2: pat pass boy a mafe, Brian Cook and Jonathan Allen

1335
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 2: are you surprised that's where free agency hit the brakes?

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Speaker 19: I'm not necessarily surprised, just because of the money goes

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01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 19: allotted to those guys. And I think you know, once

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01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 19: they made kind of those quote unquotes blast signings, they

1339
01:08:58,400 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 19: were probably done spending.

1340
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:00,839
Speaker 7: I think I think.

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01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 19: Coke was three years, forty million mass was three for

1342
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 19: sixty Allen was two for twenty eight. So I mean,

1343
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,759
Speaker 19: they're not necessarily breaking the bank for any of those players.

1344
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 19: But you know, it seems like instead of getting one

1345
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 19: big whale, they got three sharks. I guess right, like

1346
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 19: they got three relatively nice signings instead of that one

1347
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 19: big splashy signing. And I will say to it, they

1348
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 19: obviously have a lot of holes to still fill. I

1349
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 19: think I think depth is a huge question mark for

1350
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 19: this team. But they were able to sign three guys

1351
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 19: that at this point you you would Pensylana starters for

1352
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 19: that defense. And we all know not just Cincinnati, but

1353
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 19: all across the country if you follow the NFL, defense

1354
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 19: is where the Bengals need help. So you know, to

1355
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,759
Speaker 19: sign three guys, especially Cook, I really like that signing.

1356
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 19: But to get three guys that are gonna be starters

1357
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 19: on your defense and you're not really breaking the bank

1358
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 19: for any of them, that isn't too bad. But I

1359
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 19: do agree with you they certainly lacked dizazz as far

1360
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 19: as their free agent signings.

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Speaker 2: It's probably a better question for Joel Corey at cbssports

1362
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 2: dot com, But apparently the do things differently when it

1363
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 2: comes to the cap than other teams. There was a

1364
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 2: lot written here in the last couple of weeks about

1365
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 2: how they could have restructured some of these deals, and

1366
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 2: I guess made another twelve to fourteen million or used

1367
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 2: another twelve to fourteen million to use on another player.

1368
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 2: But the Bengals are the Bengals, and that's the way

1369
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 2: they do things around Paul Brown or now pay Corpse Stadium.

1370
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 2: But I think they hinder themselves sometimes by trying to

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01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 2: be the smartest people in the cap room, and I'm

1372
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 2: not sure that leads to immediate success. You know what

1373
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

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Speaker 19: I entirely agree, and that's always been the thing with

1375
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 19: Burrows contracts. I think that may be sometimes the excuse

1376
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 19: they may give themselves when some of these negotiations go

1377
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 19: way O overdue, right Key Higgins.

1378
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,759
Speaker 7: Another one that went too long Jamar Chase.

1379
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 19: Obviously Burrow didn't go as long as those two, but

1380
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 19: it did go a longer than I think many anticipated.

1381
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 19: And that is always the thought that all we can

1382
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 19: restructure and the hit won't be.

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01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 7: As bad this year.

1384
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Speaker 19: But I agree, I think sometimes you can you can

1385
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 19: overthink things. Now, all that being said, I think that

1386
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 19: makes it even more interesting that they didn't try to

1387
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 19: get anything for a Trey Hendrickson right like now. From

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01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 19: a personal standpoint, I get it, and I actually like

1389
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 19: what they did because this guy played really well for you,

1390
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 19: We played hard for you. He was a huge part

1391
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 19: of the AFC championship team. The backs back AFC Nord

1392
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 19: Championship teams let him finally go chess free agency for

1393
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 19: him for the first time since twenty one. He gets

1394
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,720
Speaker 19: to go to the Ravens. Right now, the business part

1395
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 19: of that, it doesn't make any sense. Why not tag

1396
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 19: him again, maybe get a third or fourth round pick,

1397
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:39,639
Speaker 19: gets something for him.

1398
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 7: They did allow him.

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Speaker 19: I think a year ago, to try to seek out

1400
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 19: a trade partner, so that that pass had already been

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01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 19: traveled once.

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01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 7: So for Bengal fins that are.

1403
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 19: Critical of them not trying to get anything for Trey

1404
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 19: out the door, I'm with it. I do agree with

1405
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 19: not resigning him again and going down that road. I mean,

1406
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 19: he is coming off of a you know, an unimpressive year,

1407
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 19: you know, given what he did the previous two years.

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01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 7: He gets a fresh start, and I do think that

1409
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 7: the Bengals kind of need to start over on that

1410
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 7: side of the ball, some younger players.

1411
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, and sometimes I think they don't want to get

1412
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 2: messy with these things that would require some sort of

1413
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 2: negotiation with the agent with the other team, and it

1414
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,799
Speaker 2: seems almost to me like they don't want to really

1415
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 2: get that deep into what would have been a third

1416
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 2: round compensatory pick.

1417
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 3: But whatever, they didn't do it. He's gone.

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01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 2: I do think it was wise what they did with

1419
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 2: Dalton Reisner and also with Orlando Brown junior. That's also

1420
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:40,440
Speaker 2: part of this free agency game here, so they solidify

1421
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 2: their offensive line and I think they get high marks

1422
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 2: for that as well.

1423
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 7: Right, Oh, absolutely, yeah, you Neil.

1424
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 19: I mean we all know the bread and butter for

1425
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 19: the Bengals is Joe Burrow goes two receivers and you

1426
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 19: but you got to keep him healthy.

1427
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 7: You've got to keep him operating.

1428
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 19: But again, even we even saw it when he was

1429
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 19: out and Joe Blacker came in. We'll talk about him

1430
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 19: in a seconds, since they resigned him. He had a

1431
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 19: lot of success with that offense. Albeit the record wasn't

1432
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 19: good because a lot of that was was the offensive line.

1433
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 19: And I mean, now, I mean, shoot, that's d Caro

1434
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:12,520
Speaker 19: signing years ago.

1435
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:13,679
Speaker 7: How well, is that age?

1436
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 19: I mean, because he's still around right and he's doing

1437
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 19: great at that center. But yeah, I think you resigned

1438
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,640
Speaker 19: Risner is good and ye I mean is Brown is

1439
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 19: as great at left tackle as is right? Maybe not necessarily,

1440
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:27,679
Speaker 19: but he's still is a stabilizer. He stabilizes the left

1441
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 19: side for you, and he's certainly good enough as a

1442
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 19: quality starter. And I think Mims is going to continue

1443
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 19: to get better. I think I think his best years

1444
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 19: are obviously still still ahead of him. Now, as I

1445
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 19: alluded to at the beginning, really got to work on

1446
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 19: some of this steps, especially at guard. I think behind

1447
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 19: Dylan Fairchild now left guard, there's nobody on that depth chart,

1448
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 19: and Jalen Rivers at right guard, I still, you know,

1449
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 19: potentially like his potential, but now we need to add

1450
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 19: to that offensive line. But if you're a Bengal fan

1451
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 19: though this there's no reason to not expect another big

1452
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 19: year from this offense ive.

1453
01:13:58,560 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 7: Everybody's healthy.

1454
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 2: They let Flacco tested the waters, They let him go

1455
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 2: out and see if there was a team that he

1456
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 2: could start for. Obviously there were no teams that were

1457
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 2: interested in that. This is a no brainer bringing him in.

1458
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 2: I know they signed Josh Johnson. Josh Johnson may or

1459
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 2: may not get out of camp with them and into

1460
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 2: the regular season whatever. He seemed like a placeholder. But

1461
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 2: Flacco brings to the table what I said all of

1462
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 2: last year. It gives Burrow a quote unquote big brother

1463
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 2: in that quarterback room. And I think having somebody that

1464
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 2: has played the game like Flacco is invaluable to somebody

1465
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 2: like Joe Burrow, who had Jake Browning and Brandon Allen

1466
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 2: and all of these other guys that were there that

1467
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 2: basically were, you know, emergency quarterbacks. Flacco's ability to bring

1468
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 2: that intangible to the room I think will be invaluable

1469
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 2: for Burrow.

1470
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 3: I think I'm tickled to death the guy's back.

1471
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 19: No, And I'm with you, and you do look at

1472
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:58,759
Speaker 19: the history of a lot of Hall of Fame caliber quarterbacks.

1473
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 19: A lot of them had a men tour at their

1474
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 19: same position. Steve Young had Joe Montana. Joe Montana had

1475
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 19: Steve du Burg, who a lot of people probably don't remember,

1476
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 19: but he was He was a quality, uh you know

1477
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 19: quarterback as well. You look at Ben Roethlisberger had Charlie Batch,

1478
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 19: who again wasn't a Hall of Fame level quarterback, but

1479
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 19: had success with the Detroit Lions and was wise above

1480
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 19: his years and is now a successful analyst in Pittsburgh.

1481
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 7: So yeah, I mean this basically gives him another coach.

1482
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 7: And I think.

1483
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 19: Beyond you know, playing the game and seeing things that

1484
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 19: Joe may not have seen and collaborating with him on

1485
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,640
Speaker 19: the sidelines, which I think is invaluable, is also just

1486
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 19: managing life of being a franchise quarterback in the ups

1487
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 19: and downs. I think we all remember Joe's perplexing you know,

1488
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 19: a couple of press conferences last year where he was

1489
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:40,879
Speaker 19: alluding to off the field struggles and challenges.

1490
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 7: But this is where Joe. Now, Joe Flacco has.

1491
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 19: Never reached the level of I don't think I ever

1492
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 19: saw him planting poker with Jescal but.

1493
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:47,879
Speaker 7: In Vegas at two am anywhere.

1494
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 19: But but you know Blaco, I think got married at

1495
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 19: a young age and his racist family, but still he

1496
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:55,640
Speaker 19: gets it, he gets the pressures associated with it. I

1497
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 19: think he can kind of help Joe be even keel.

1498
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 19: And this is the guy that Joe grew up watching.

1499
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 19: We all know he is a big football fan. You know,

1500
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 19: Joe played Flacker rather played years in this division, so

1501
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 19: I'm sure Joe watched a lot of his his games

1502
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 19: on TV, and so yeah, I think there's a there's

1503
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 19: a kinship there.

1504
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 7: And let's be honest, He's not looking over a shorter.

1505
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,680
Speaker 7: Joe's not trying to fight his for his job or

1506
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,520
Speaker 7: anything like that. So you know that that his intentions

1507
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 7: are well meaning and that he's going to help Burrow.

1508
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 19: So any the guy can still play. I mean the

1509
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,719
Speaker 19: six games he started last year. Since then, He's offense

1510
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,719
Speaker 19: averaged twenty seven point two points a game. The defense

1511
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 19: averaged thirty four. So it wasn't like the Bengals offense

1512
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 19: wasn't doing anything. I will say super quick, Ken, they

1513
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 19: should try to pick up another receiver.

1514
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 7: Obviously Burton is gone. That was that was a disaster.

1515
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 7: I like Yoshavas, but you know.

1516
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 19: Kashawn Williams, you know Charlie Jones, you know, great special teamer.

1517
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 19: I'd like to see them maybe do something in the

1518
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 19: draft of the receiver. I think running back too. I

1519
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 19: don't know how much left Pierin has in the tank.

1520
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 19: Maybe you call it Najie Harris, Maybe you you drafted

1521
01:16:58,040 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 19: another running back. I know they just took a running

1522
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 19: back last your Brooks who has potential but with very

1523
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 19: little used last year. And the main thing is you

1524
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 19: need a running back that can pass protect. So that's

1525
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 19: where again Naji Hears or a veteran running back out

1526
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:11,839
Speaker 19: there comes to mind. A guy's experienced in that department,

1527
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:14,719
Speaker 19: because again, protecting Joe Burrow has to be your top priority.

1528
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I don't know who's left out there

1529
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 2: in free agency as a wide receiver. I mean you're

1530
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 2: talking about Stefan Diggs who brings other things to the table,

1531
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 2: Michelle Talent, and Deebo Samuel. I just really don't know

1532
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 2: who's out there. They need a linebacker, Brian, they need

1533
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 2: a linebacker. They ran the two kids out there last year.

1534
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 2: And I've said this again many times, that would not

1535
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 2: preclude me from taking Sunny Styles if he's available. A

1536
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,799
Speaker 2: tenth overall, I just think they had the wrong combination

1537
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 2: of linebackers out there last year. But I also think

1538
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 2: there's got to be a little gray in that room.

1539
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 2: So what would be the problem with bringing in Bobby

1540
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 2: Wagner If he is still out there and the price

1541
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:58,600
Speaker 2: point is right, what would be the problem with that?

1542
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 7: And I love it. I mean again, you should be

1543
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 7: driving down to.

1544
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 19: The pakehres right now and trying trying to help out.

1545
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 19: I'm with you, know, Bobby Wagner. Is he slammed and

1546
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 19: he could here's the thing he can still produce. And

1547
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 19: I was thinking the Mario Davis for Cincinnati before he

1548
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 19: went back to the Jets, because again, a guy that

1549
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 19: just continues to pile up the numbers, and he's a solidifier.

1550
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,679
Speaker 7: He's a stopgapper in that middle of your defense.

1551
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:25,680
Speaker 19: Again, not I mean Wagner is not going to be

1552
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 19: He's not prolific as far as pass defense, although he's

1553
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:30,640
Speaker 19: underrated in that department, but he's Yeah, he's still a

1554
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 19: very cable player. And and again I love what you

1555
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,599
Speaker 19: said about the grade. Maybe he could help, you know,

1556
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:38,759
Speaker 19: Demetrious Knight. And I think again, when you lose for Anderson,

1557
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 19: when when you lose you know, Logan Wilson, when you

1558
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 19: lose Hm Hubbard, and I know that's been a couple

1559
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 19: of years now, That's that's leadership, right, Jess. He bates

1560
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 19: Those are leaders that left so and I think that

1561
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 19: was part of the issue with that defense last year.

1562
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 19: You didn't have a leader on that side of the

1563
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 19: ball that was stepping up, especially when Hendrickson was out right,

1564
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 19: and I know he had his own contract issues and

1565
01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 19: you know, maybe he wasn't the leader they may have

1566
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 19: needed him to be year. But yeah, I think from

1567
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 19: every vantage point, and you wonder why he's still unsigned,

1568
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 19: you've got to think that money might be the biggest reason.

1569
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, at this point probably is. Brian Diardo,

1570
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 2: cbssports dot Com our guest, as we continue on on

1571
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 2: this Sunday, is there any pre agent signing that you

1572
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 2: were shocked by? In other words, I can't believe that

1573
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 2: team took that guy, even if that team is a

1574
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 2: good team and that guy is a good player.

1575
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 7: There wasn't really any that shocked me.

1576
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 19: Obviously, text proces you think shocked everybody. I think that

1577
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 19: was just obviously insane what happened. One thing that kind

1578
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 19: of came to mind.

1579
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 14: I was just a little surprised Seattle was so willing

1580
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 14: to let Kenneth Walker go.

1581
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:44,719
Speaker 7: Is like the way that they did.

1582
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 3: It was just kind of a.

1583
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:47,680
Speaker 7: Foregone conclusion that he was going to go.

1584
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 19: And I know he'd had some injuries in Seattle, and

1585
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 19: I know they like Charbon day, but but Charbon is

1586
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 19: coming off that injury so there's no guarantee he'll be

1587
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 19: ready for the start of this season. And me, Walker

1588
01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:59,919
Speaker 19: was really I mean that all that Super Bowl.

1589
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:01,759
Speaker 7: We talked since then, that was a snoozer.

1590
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 19: That was one of the ten worst I've ever seen,

1591
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 19: and he was really the driving force that kept that

1592
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 19: thing going for Seattle's offense. He was the difference maker,

1593
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 19: the only offensive player that really stood out in that game.

1594
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 19: And then they gave Smith and jigbaw All that money,

1595
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 19: which obviously is one of the reasons why they didn't

1596
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 19: keep Walker.

1597
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 7: Smart decision by Kansas City to go get him.

1598
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 19: And I don't know if he'll be the same guy

1599
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:23,600
Speaker 19: that he was in Seattle, and he'll be bucking at

1600
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 19: trend if he does, because he's now the fourth Super

1601
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 19: Bowl MVP to change teams that offseason. The previous three

1602
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 19: did nothing, So if he is successful, he would be

1603
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 19: the first of his else to do it. But there

1604
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 19: weren't really any that that really jumped off a page

1605
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 19: or really really shocked me.

1606
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 7: Again the whole Crosby thing and how it went down,

1607
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 7: but really to a fault of the Ravens. Was that shady?

1608
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 7: It was?

1609
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,759
Speaker 19: But that's you know, but until until it tends to paper.

1610
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 19: You can you can change, of course, if you choose to.

1611
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,440
Speaker 19: So interesting how that whole thing played out, For sure.

1612
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 2: The most shocking thing for me in free agency wasn't

1613
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 2: the Travis Kelcey re signed with the Kansas City Chiefs.

1614
01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 2: It's that Travis Kelcey about fifteen years ago was a

1615
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:02,480
Speaker 2: telemarketer for Obamacare.

1616
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 3: Did you see that story? This week? He ate no

1617
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 3: eight dollars an hour.

1618
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 2: He worked at a call center conducting surveys about the

1619
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 2: Affordable Care Act?

1620
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:14,679
Speaker 3: Who knew? Would you buy an insurance policy from Travis Kelsey?

1621
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 19: I mean became, I mean now my wife loves Caryl

1622
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 19: and became with Taylor Swift.

1623
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 2: All right, Brian Deardo, it's always great catching up with you.

1624
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:25,719
Speaker 3: You stay well and will be in touch.

1625
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 7: I'm great, Thank you.

1626
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 3: Hi, I'm Travis Kelsey. I'd like to sell you some insurance. Yeah,

1627
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:35,480
Speaker 3: sure one. Maybe he sold Taylor Swift a policy? Who knows.

1628
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 2: At eleven twenty four on this Sunday, still more to come.

1629
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 2: Mark Sheldon MLB dot com. He'll check in from Great

1630
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 2: American Ballpark. We'll get the latest on the Reds. Their

1631
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 2: lineup for today is out and we'll have all of

1632
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 2: that for you coming up in a matter of minutes.

1633
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 2: On seven hundred w LW sucks TJ friedel leeds off.

1634
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 2: He's and left. Matt McClain plays second, He'll bat second.

1635
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 2: Elie Data Cruise is a hill bat third, dhing and

1636
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 2: batting cleanup. Today is Sal Stewart batting fifth at third base.

1637
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 2: Au Haneo Suarez starts in the field. Spencer Steer is

1638
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 2: at first base. UH Spencer Steer will bat six, batting

1639
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:20,719
Speaker 2: seventh in centerfield. The hero from yesterday Dane Myers, batting

1640
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 2: eighth in catching, Today is Tyler Stevenson and batting ninth

1641
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:29,719
Speaker 2: in right field is Newelbe Marte and Ritt Louder makes

1642
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 2: his first appearance in a Major League baseball game since

1643
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:36,800
Speaker 2: September of twenty twenty four. Mister all the last year

1644
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 2: with a couple of injuries. Soaking it all up. Is

1645
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 2: a man that sees the majority of Reds games because

1646
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 2: he rarely gets a day off during the regular season.

1647
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 2: And that's our good buddy from MLB dot Com, Mark Sheldon,

1648
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:51,640
Speaker 2: how are you on this glorious.

1649
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 7: Day doing great?

1650
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:56,680
Speaker 2: Dan? Good morning, Good morning to you too. Boy is

1651
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 2: a number of things I want to get into, not

1652
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 2: the least of it. And it was raised in the

1653
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 2: postgame news conference yesterday. South Stewart, I believe, is the

1654
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 2: first Reds rookie to have five hits in his first

1655
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 2: two games and of the game of the game. In

1656
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 2: the game yesterday, had two hits. Couldn't have been feeling

1657
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 2: well after that that line drive to the forearm that

1658
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 2: he took in opening day. But pretty amazing start for him,

1659
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 2: is it not. It's fantastic.

1660
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 14: It's kind of like he's picked up where he left

1661
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 14: off and the end of the season last year he

1662
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 14: had five homers in a very you know, well hit September.

1663
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 14: He looked good in spring training. He's definitely making himself

1664
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:39,640
Speaker 14: known as a very formidable National League Rookie of the

1665
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 14: Year candidate. It's yeah, he's off to a great start,

1666
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,640
Speaker 14: and you know, Teo Frankcono was careful to say, you know,

1667
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 14: let's not induct him in the Hall of Fame just yet,

1668
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 14: but he's had a good two first games and things

1669
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 14: they're looking up for him.

1670
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1671
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 2: And the same can be said for Matt McClain, who

1672
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 2: was hitless in the opener but had a terrific spring

1673
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 2: three for four yesterday with a couple of walk in

1674
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 2: an R ANDBI. There's you know, there's a tendency to

1675
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:05,879
Speaker 2: read a lot good and bad early in the season.

1676
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 2: When do you start developing opinions about a team and

1677
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 2: a player. How deep into the season does it have

1678
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 2: to go before Mark Sheldon makes his mind up about

1679
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:15,759
Speaker 2: these things.

1680
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 7: I mean, things change here and there.

1681
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 14: As you know, not every season is the same, And

1682
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 14: certainly if a team is predicted to do well, you

1683
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 14: give it maybe a little bit longer. If the team

1684
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 14: is not predicted to do well, and you know it

1685
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 14: looks like they're going to be out of it by

1686
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 14: by May, first you can you know, maybe you judge

1687
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 14: a little earlier. I think with this club, you definitely

1688
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 14: got to get.

1689
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 7: Into the warmer weather and just see what happens.

1690
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:40,600
Speaker 14: And then they have a really tough schedule, especially early on,

1691
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 14: it feels like so we'll see kind of how it goes.

1692
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 14: But uh, you know, you definitely can't go off of

1693
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 14: spring training go to our bed with everything. You kind

1694
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 14: of look at how the bat gets to the ball,

1695
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 14: You look at good swings, you look at good plays,

1696
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 14: you look at you know, moments of good pitching. But

1697
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 14: then when you get here at the real kind of

1698
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 14: the real condition, so to speak, then you really start

1699
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 14: making some you know, opinions, and I think you give

1700
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:05,599
Speaker 14: a few few weeks at least, this is where guys

1701
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:05,960
Speaker 14: are going.

1702
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 2: That home run that Amelia Pegan gave up with two

1703
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 2: out in the ninth, it was deflating. I mean, he

1704
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 2: could feel the energy sucked out of the stadium. But

1705
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 2: yet it turned into a piece of resilience thanks to

1706
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 2: Dane Myers. Now, when they signed Myers, I think a

1707
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:25,799
Speaker 2: lot of people were looking at him, looking at JJ Bleday,

1708
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 2: who was also kind of in that first wave of

1709
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 2: signings in the new year, and they're saying, what's this.

1710
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,680
Speaker 2: But obviously, and again not annoying anybody this early, but

1711
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 2: Dane Myers off the bench could be one of the

1712
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 2: best things that happened to this team in the offseason.

1713
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:45,480
Speaker 2: Will watch, but certainly this guy has shown a propensity

1714
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,679
Speaker 2: to be a for heroic activity late in games.

1715
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:51,799
Speaker 3: What was that his third walk off hit of his career?

1716
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, you know.

1717
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:56,839
Speaker 14: They acquired him in a trade from the Marlins in December,

1718
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 14: the same day they signed Bladey.

1719
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:00,040
Speaker 7: Actually and really.

1720
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 14: He's kind of an example of some of the extra

1721
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 14: depth that this team has that maybe it didn't have

1722
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 14: last year. He was signed to be a really a

1723
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 14: defensive guy that hits well against lefties, and certainly the

1724
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,760
Speaker 14: home run yesterday came against a right hander. But you know,

1725
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:16,639
Speaker 14: what they like about him is that he plays really

1726
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 14: good in center field. He can play all three positions.

1727
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 14: Obviously we've seen it already where you know, in both

1728
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 14: yesterday's game and such, that Myers can play center field,

1729
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 14: they can move TJ. Friedel over to left field. They

1730
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 14: feel like that's a stronger defense for them, and he's

1731
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 14: able to get some hits, and.

1732
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 3: So far, so good for them.

1733
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 14: Obviously it worked yesterday, and it shouldn't go unnoticed that

1734
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 14: Connor Phillips delivered to very good innings, perfect innings in

1735
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:45,680
Speaker 14: order to keep them alive after b God gave up

1736
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 14: the homer and I kind of kept them, you know

1737
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 14: from things about you know, getting out of control, especially

1738
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 14: as the bullpen was really used up yesterday.

1739
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.

1740
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:56,759
Speaker 2: But the lineup today I'm looking at it. I mean again,

1741
01:26:56,840 --> 01:27:00,640
Speaker 2: it shows versatility. You've got freedom and left you have

1742
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 2: Suarez at third base. I don't think anybody looked at

1743
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 2: him and said, well, there's going to be a guy

1744
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 2: that's going to play a position early on in the season.

1745
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 2: But he's playing third today. We'll see how many games

1746
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:14,640
Speaker 2: he plays this season in the field. And even in

1747
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:17,879
Speaker 2: the latter stages of that game yesterday, if I'm not mistaken,

1748
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:21,639
Speaker 2: Spencer Steer wound up at third base, So there's kind

1749
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 2: of am I right?

1750
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 3: It was he at third.

1751
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 14: Yeah, that was the first time he's been at third

1752
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,560
Speaker 14: base since twenty twenty three. I believe he had a

1753
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 14: bad shoulder last year and he couldn't play it.

1754
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 7: They didn't need him to play it.

1755
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 14: I think in twenty twenty four he's been all over

1756
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 14: the field. But that was the willingness to do that.

1757
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 14: Francona did not want to get Suarez out of the

1758
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 14: DH spot and put him at third, because then that

1759
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 14: means the pitcher would have to possibly hit. And that

1760
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 14: was he said today that you know, he didn't want

1761
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:48,519
Speaker 14: to get anyone injured and that would be worse than

1762
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 14: a loss. So he didn't have a really I asked

1763
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:52,600
Speaker 14: him if he had a target number of times he

1764
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:54,560
Speaker 14: wanted to use Suarez at third. He didn't really have

1765
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:56,640
Speaker 14: a target, but he said, really, the point is he

1766
01:27:56,680 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 14: wants to keep everybody sharp. You know, everyone get you know, atrophy,

1767
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 14: so to speak. I guess, so getting Suarez at third

1768
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 14: gets to get steered first. It enables Stuart to stay

1769
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:09,800
Speaker 14: in the lineup and use as bad as a D eight.

1770
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,599
Speaker 14: So there's that's gonna be a theme. You're gonna see

1771
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 14: a lot of this season. Looking like you kind of

1772
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 14: alluded to, There's gonna be a lot of moving around.

1773
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 14: There will not be the same lineup every game in

1774
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:20,720
Speaker 14: the same way all one sixty two.

1775
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 2: I can't imagine another person involved in baseball that had

1776
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:28,560
Speaker 2: a worse day yesterday than CB Buckner. Eight ABS challenges,

1777
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:34,080
Speaker 2: six overturn All five of the Reds challenges were overturned. This,

1778
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:37,400
Speaker 2: this ABS thing is is not something I think the

1779
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,640
Speaker 2: umpires are embracing, and certainly not Buckner. But I was

1780
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:44,719
Speaker 2: at an establishment yesterday, Mark, and there the loudest cheers

1781
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:48,759
Speaker 2: came when these calls were reversed. It's almost it's almost

1782
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 2: like scoring a run in a game when you get

1783
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 2: a call reversed in your favor. It's it's wildly entertaining,

1784
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 2: and I think we're going to see that a lot

1785
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 2: as this season goes on.

1786
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 3: I absolutely love it. What about you, Oh, I think

1787
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 3: it's so I like that it's fast.

1788
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 14: I like that, you know, you're not waiting around for

1789
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 14: an opinion for you know, in terminably for one or

1790
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:10,479
Speaker 14: two minutes to slows the game down. It's very very fast.

1791
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,560
Speaker 14: I think eventually it's gonna settle into him maybe a

1792
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 14: more how it's used. I think things are going to

1793
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 14: sharpen up on both sides.

1794
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 3: Uh.

1795
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 14: Certainly the Red Sox made a major malfunction yesterday by

1796
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,400
Speaker 14: using all of their challenges up in the third inning

1797
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 14: and not and not you know, having two incorrect ones.

1798
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 14: They lost their challenges until the extra innings that get

1799
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 14: one back. But the Reds have used them very well.

1800
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 14: They've been you know, Jose Travino had an opportunity to

1801
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 14: use one when I call that looked pretty not good

1802
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 14: for him, and he took a strikeout. He could have challenged,

1803
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:43,120
Speaker 14: but he didn't want to be wrong and he didn't

1804
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 14: want to use a challenge too early, so he kind

1805
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 14: of ate it so they could use it later. And

1806
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:50,559
Speaker 14: you saw how it paid off with the Suarez invented

1807
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 14: at bats. But that's the thing that it's a it's

1808
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 14: a strategy. Now, it's part of the strategy. The players

1809
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 14: are gonna have to be smart when to use it,

1810
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:58,800
Speaker 14: and they're just gonna have to be careful. But also

1811
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 14: you can see what happens is if I think in

1812
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 14: the first game Connor Phillips thought he had to strike

1813
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 14: out at the Red Sox Challenge, it was a ball,

1814
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 14: the guy walked and that led to two runs. So

1815
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:10,639
Speaker 14: you know, it can go either way, but it's it's

1816
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 14: definitely going to be put to be molded into the

1817
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 14: strategy of how it's used during the season.

1818
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in favor of it. I got about thirty

1819
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 2: seconds Rhet Louder today. What are you expecting from him?

1820
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:24,519
Speaker 2: I mean, the you know, pitching and spring training can

1821
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 2: not be a real good indication as to what the

1822
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 2: actual season will be. Andrew Abbott was a prime example

1823
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:32,880
Speaker 2: of that on Thursday. What are you expecting out of Louder?

1824
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 7: I think it's just a pad.

1825
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 14: He he got this, you know, hit some really good

1826
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:39,759
Speaker 14: starts early on in camp and then he started pitching

1827
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 14: and getting more traffic and walks. I think he's gonna

1828
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 14: have to be very careful about that. I don't think

1829
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 14: they're going to push them in too late. I would

1830
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:47,880
Speaker 14: be I wouldn't be shocked at seventy five to eighty

1831
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:49,840
Speaker 14: pitches is where he goes. I don't know how many

1832
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 14: innings that'll be. That'll depend on him and how efficient

1833
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 14: he is. But they have Jose Franco in the bullpen

1834
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:57,680
Speaker 14: as a long guy if they need it. But you know,

1835
01:30:57,960 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 14: Louder knows what he's doing.

1836
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 7: He showed it in twenty two a one point one

1837
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:02,599
Speaker 7: seventy are It looked really good.

1838
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 14: He's gonna be facing a good lineup today, so I'm

1839
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:06,640
Speaker 14: sure he's gonna be eager to get back on a

1840
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:08,320
Speaker 14: big league down in a game that counts.

1841
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 2: I hope you go three for four today, Mark, I

1842
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 2: can't get I can't say we're gonna go four. Yeah,

1843
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna go three for four. I just

1844
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 2: got a feeling.

1845
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:17,680
Speaker 3: Thanks for your time, buddy, Stay well, we'll visit down

1846
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 3: the road, all right. Can't take it easy there.

1847
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:25,640
Speaker 2: He is Mark Sheldon MLB dot com. And the inside

1848
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 2: pitch is coming up now within a matter of minutes.

1849
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 2: It is, yes, and it's going to be right here

1850
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 2: as it plays out this afternoon on seven hundred W

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