1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: And day passes played by play guy for the Arizona 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Cardinals and a ESPN slash ABC NBA play by play voice, 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: and he called the Wolves and OKC yesterday. Hey, Dave, 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: it's Paul Allen. Thank you very much for helping the 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: radio show. And despite the local team taking it on 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 1: the proverbial chin by the champs. What did you think 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: of the game yesterday? My brother, Hey, Paul, get it 8 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: talk to you. 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: I think for a while, if you're a Wolve's fan, 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: you're encouraged. But then ultimately, the latter half of that 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: third quarter and the fourth quarter looked all too familiar. 12 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: It looked a little bit like the beginning of the game, 13 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: which looked a little bit like what we saw against 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 2: the Clippers and the Magic, where the sense of urgency 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: and the intensity is just not there on the defensive end. 16 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: And that's concerning because I think from a historical standpoint, 17 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: the Wolves have been able to turn it on. They 18 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: did it in the playoffs last year, and two years 19 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: ago they did it in the regular season in the playoffs, 20 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 2: and I'm sure the question inside that locker room in 21 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: the city is can they do that again? And I'm 22 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: not so sure Obviously matchups will depend on and we'll 23 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 2: play a role in that. But I'm not sure that 24 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: you can keep living that way. At some point you 25 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: have to mature and get past that, and I'm I'm 26 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 2: not sure the Wolves have done that yet. 27 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: Shai Gil just Alexander beloved. SGA finished with twenty, meaning 28 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: at least twenty points one hundred and twenty eight consecutive 29 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: games for him. What did you make of his game yesterday? 30 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 3: Well, the thing. 31 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: That's remarkable about shag Oes Alexander is I really believe 32 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: this when I say it. I don't think he cares 33 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,919 Speaker 2: about the streak. I mean, I'm sure maybe a little, 34 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: but not at the expense of winning or doing what's 35 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: best for the team. And there were several times he 36 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 2: made the right play rather than trying to force a shot. 37 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: There was a breakaway where he's pointing ahead a teammates 38 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: got the ball, and I'm assuming that SGA feels like, Okay, 39 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: teammate's gonna get me the ball because I need to 40 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: get to twenty points. Instead he's pointing ahead, throw it too. 41 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 2: I think it was Chet Holmgren in transition UH to 42 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: make the right play, and that you know, that's great leadership, 43 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: that's great humility, and those are the things that he possesses. 44 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 2: You talk to the players, you talk to the coaching staff. 45 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: They rave about him. And you know, when it mattered 46 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: down the stretch in terms of making the right play, 47 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 2: he continued to do that. And then you know, once 48 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 2: they were past that and the game was in hand, 49 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: you know, then he tried to take a few more shots, 50 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: maybe to get to twenty. But none of it felt 51 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 2: like it was egregious. 52 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: It didn't. 53 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 2: I never got the sense like, oh man, they're keeping 54 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: him in to try to get to twenty, or they're 55 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: you know, he's tried to do this just so he 56 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: can get to twenty, because again, I'm not sure it's 57 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 2: that important to him. 58 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: Hey, hey, Dave, I've never I've never been to that arena. 59 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: Now I'm watching the game yesterday and I'm listening to 60 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: you call the game. And when when Ants started turning 61 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: it over and you know, the defense, the defense got 62 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: shoddy and it was an absolute tidal wave of Oklahoma 63 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 1: City thunder momentum. Is that place unbelievably loud? I mean, 64 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: it just seems like they're right on top of you 65 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: when things get good for the Thunder. 66 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 2: It does feel very much like a college basketball environment 67 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: where they are on top of you. They are rarely silent, 68 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 2: even if things aren't going well. And I've been doing 69 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: games there for twenty years and you go back to 70 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: when they had Westbrook and Durant and they were a 71 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: young team, but they were a final team back in 72 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: twenty twelve. They were like that then. I mean, they 73 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 2: are incredibly supportive. 74 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: They get it. 75 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: They understand the game. 76 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: The way they treat. 77 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: Role players tells you they understand the game. Yeah, and 78 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: their importance and you know, little things that happened over 79 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: the course of the game. And I think they see 80 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: this as a as a rivalry. It's a budding rivalry 81 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: in the league. 82 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: They met in the. 83 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: Conference finals last year, they could meet again this year. 84 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: They get it, they understand it. So that is a 85 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: factor if you're the road team. You know, in if 86 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: Oklahoma City gets the best record in the league and 87 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: it looks like they will again, you know, the championship 88 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 2: has to go through there. So seven game series and 89 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 2: the Thunder worn two of them last year. That game 90 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 2: seven at home was huge. It was big against Denver 91 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: and big in the finals. 92 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: Ye Dave when Jared McCain, the former sixer, he had 93 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: five three's yesterday and I mean he dictated the tempo 94 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: when when they were turning the game around. Is is 95 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: he playing a lot because Jalen Williams isn't playing, or 96 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: like Lou Dort was a little off yesterday, Like does 97 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: McCain generally play a lot? 98 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 2: Well, he has because Jalen Williams hasn't been back. And 99 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 2: I mentioned about the fans understanding role players when we 100 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 2: were there. I think it was his first game after 101 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: the trade, and he had a great game, and like 102 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: as soon as he checks out at the game, the 103 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 2: fans go nuts because they pay attention. They know that 104 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: beginning of last year he was on his way to 105 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 2: rent to at least contending to win Rookie of the 106 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 2: Year and then he gets hurt, and he was hurt 107 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: again earlier this year. I will be curious, especially in 108 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: the playoffs, his role. There's several guys what their roles 109 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 2: will be on a night to night basis when Jalen 110 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 2: Williams is back, and it sounded like he's going to 111 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: be back soon, so they'll get a chance to kind 112 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 2: of feel that out. But it's different when you get 113 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: to the playoffs. Normally coaches shorten their rotation. I think 114 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: Mark Dagnol will do that. But at the same time, 115 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: there may be nights where McCain doesn't play and knights 116 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: where you know he's the first guy. 117 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 3: Off the bench. 118 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: It's just going to depend. 119 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: But you know, Sam Presto. 120 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: The Gym's done a great job of identifying talent and 121 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: not just that, but how they fit with the organization 122 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 2: and the culture. And Jared McCain is fit beautifully. 123 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 1: This is the voice of day pash fuck. We heard 124 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: him on ABC yesterday calling Wolves in Oklahoma City. We've 125 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: also played his highlights before describing Arizona Cardinals football games, 126 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: and Dave called all of Kyler Murray's games in Arizona. 127 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: When things are rolling well with Kyler Murray, what's happening. 128 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 2: It's been a while since that's happened, Paul. You know, 129 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 2: the best stretch he played was prior to his injury 130 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, when the Cardinals started seven to 131 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: zero and ten and two, and that was I think 132 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: really the best stretch of his career. He had probably 133 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 2: the best talent around him at that point as well, 134 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 2: but at the end of that season, I think when 135 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 2: teams figure him out, figure the offense out, I think 136 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 2: it's hard for him to adjust. And I still think 137 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: there is a lot more that you can get. 138 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: Out of Kyler Murray. 139 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: And I'm sure Kevin O'Connell sees that. I'm sure the 140 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 2: Vikings does an organizations see that that there's still a 141 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: lot left to squeeze out of Kyler Murray to give 142 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: him to be the player that he could be. 143 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: Some of that could. 144 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: Come down to whether they can get it out of him, 145 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: but I do think a lot of that comes down 146 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 2: to Kyler Murray and you know, what is he willing 147 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: to do to get to that level. I think maybe 148 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: in his mind he has an idea of what he 149 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: needs to do, but maybe that does not line up 150 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: with what the coaches think or the front office thinks. 151 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 2: The talents there, it's always been there. It's the inconsistency, 152 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: it's can you beat the good teams? And I think 153 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: post injury, there are a lot of questions And look, 154 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: he was hurt this year, so two of the last 155 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: three years he's missed most of the year due to injuries, 156 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: so there are a lot more question marks, I think 157 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 2: than answers right now. 158 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: I'm glad you said what you said with part of 159 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: that answer day Pass because earlier today, like just to 160 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: clear up some some Kyler confusion Kyler Covenant related comments, 161 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: is I laid it out like when Sam Darnold got here. Okay, 162 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: it's an and I'm not I'm not casting an affront 163 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: on Arizona Cardinals skilled players or coaches. But with Darnald, 164 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: I was like, all right, well, here's the deal. I 165 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: mean to get drafted third overall in a draft, clearally 166 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: there's something you have that made a lot of teams 167 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: covet you. Okay, And if you think throwing to Robbie 168 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: Anderson and Tommy Tremble is going to take place here, 169 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: it's not with Jefferson and Addison and Howkinson and left 170 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: tackle Christian Darisov. So you know, I'm not I'm not 171 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: gonna compare and contrast Marvin Harrison Junior and Jordan Addison 172 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: or DeAndre Hopkins maybe at his best and justin Jefferson, 173 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: but like you know, having this left tackle and that talent, 174 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: the the the talent around him. The way I laid 175 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: it out was no change to the bed here man, 176 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: it's the same thing with Sam Darnald. This is on 177 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. This thing is proven here. When it's run 178 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: the right way by the right people, it gets up 179 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: and down the field for four hundred yards. This coach 180 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: is really good at what he does. So I put 181 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: the onus on Kyler Murray. You know, when we get 182 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: to training camp, you think that's fair. 183 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: I think, look at some of it. I think that 184 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: the supporting cast there is better that it is here. 185 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: The offensive line specifically, I know it wasn't a great 186 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: year for the Vikings, but certainly was better than it 187 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: was here. And you know, we've done games in Minnesota 188 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 2: where it's you know, the Cardinals get trunced and that 189 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: offense is humming, and they've got a great staff and 190 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 2: a great scheme. I just think, ultimately, Paul, when you 191 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: look at the talent level that is potential versus what 192 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: has been realized, the scale is is not equal. There 193 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 2: is still a ton of room for growth, and that's 194 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 2: why Minnesota made this move. Yeah, it doesn't cost him anything. 195 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: The Cardinals are paying him. It's a one year experiment 196 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: and if it goes great, you hit a home run 197 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 2: and look it went great with Sam Darnold, It's gone 198 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 2: great with Baker Mayfield in Tampa and other top picks. 199 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 2: So why not roll the dice, see what you've got 200 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: and see if he is willing to commit, and if 201 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 2: you know you can get something out of him that 202 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 2: another team could. So I think it's a smart move. 203 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 2: I get it completely. I'm just not sure it's a 204 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 2: slam dunk that it's gonna work. 205 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: Dave, You're awesome last one, and I should know this. 206 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: I apologize, I don't. How are you still calling a 207 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: lot of college basketball, specifically the PAC twelve? 208 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 2: So not really with the PAC twelve going away? No, 209 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: I did like a handful. I'll do the Final four 210 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: for ESPN International, but no, I've not done a ton 211 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 2: of colleges yet. 212 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: Are you following it? 213 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 2: I mean a little bit, not as much as the NBA, 214 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 2: but I'm still following it. I mean I have an 215 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: idea based on the games I've done and the teams 216 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: I've watched, who I think are the best team. 217 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: And sorry to put you in a weird spot, I 218 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: don't follow it at all, and I'm just trying to 219 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: get some NC Double eight bracket tips here. Yeah, Like, 220 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: how good is Arizona. Do we have any sneaky teams 221 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: that we like? I don't know. Do you got like? 222 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: How good are the Arizona Wildcats? A one seed? 223 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 2: I think Arizona could definitely win the national Championship. I'd 224 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 2: be surprised if they don't get at least to the 225 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: Elite eight. I think if they get to the Elite 226 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 2: eight and lose to Purdue as possible. But I also 227 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: could see them winning the whole thing. It's the best 228 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 2: team I've seen in person. Again, I've only done ample games, 229 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 2: but I saw Houston, saw some other teams that are 230 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 2: top seed, saw Arkansas, which I think can be a 231 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: team because they've got a great point guard that could 232 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: win some games in the NC tournament. But I could 233 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 2: see Arizona winning. 234 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 3: The whole thing. 235 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: Hey man, God bless you and your family. Thank you 236 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: very much for the time, and I'll look forward to 237 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: next time I get a chance to see you. Okay, 238 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: David all right, man, sounds good. Take care brother, see 239 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: him date Pash. He's the radio play by play voice 240 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: for the az Cards and I'm also Big Spot ESPN, 241 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: ABC Television, NBA play by play voice. Let's venture down 242 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: another road that analyzes Kyler Murray and the Kyler Covenant. 243 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: A Minnesotan named Josh wein Fuss. 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His name is Josh wine Fuss and 254 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,359 Speaker 1: the writes for ESPN and it covers the Arizona Cardinals 255 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: at Josh wine Fuss via x and he joins us 256 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: now from from the Southwest, Josh, It's It's Paul Allen 257 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: And I just learned via Twitter that that either you 258 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: grew up loving k f a N, or you're a 259 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: Minnesotan and kind of fell into the sports monopoly that 260 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: is k F A N. 261 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 3: I grew up in Minnesota. I grew up listening to 262 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 3: Kevin Harlan calling world games every night. So when I 263 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 3: moved to college, went to Indiana for school. So when 264 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 3: I left college, I missed out. I left k fans 265 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 3: behind and I missed dearly. 266 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: What just to paint with a broad brush in in Phoenix, Scottsdale, wherever, like, like, 267 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: what what sports radio like down there? 268 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 3: It's interesting. It's uh, it's not Campean, I'll say that 269 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: it is. How do I say this without getting myself 270 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 3: in too much trouble? They are very indebted to the 271 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 3: local team, I'll say that. And it's very clear that 272 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 3: there are relationships with the radio station and uh will 273 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 3: be radio station. I guess there's only one really big 274 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 3: one here in the local team. So it's not as uh, 275 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 3: it's not as good as it was back home. 276 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: I'll say that I got you, brother, and man that 277 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: that's uh, that's really nice to know. Nice meeting you too, Josh, 278 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. If you if you were to 279 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: speak for Arizona Cardinals fans, how would you summarize the 280 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: news Kyler Murray has left the team and will become 281 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: a Minnesota Viking. 282 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting because I think there's some there's 283 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 3: a his massive love fest with Kyler lately. But at 284 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 3: the same time, like people look at his time here, 285 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 3: it's kind of underwhelming, right he won one playoff or 286 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 3: he even he went so he went to one playoff 287 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 3: game and they got blown out by the Rams of 288 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 3: Monday Nights Football. Back in twenty twenty one, he went 289 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 3: thirty eight, forty and one. A lot of people here 290 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 3: don't feel like he lived up to the expectations of 291 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 3: being a number one draft pick, Rookie of the year, 292 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 3: two time Pro bowler, all of that, But it also 293 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 3: wasn't all his faults, right, But we did see him maturity, 294 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 3: saw him grow up in front of our eyes. He's 295 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 3: a very different person now than he was when he 296 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 3: got here. Very different player, very different. But I think 297 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 3: if you were to ask people kind of, you know, 298 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 3: what their true feelings on Kyler are, their mixed because 299 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 3: of the impact on the field, Like they didn't win 300 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 3: a lot of games. Obviously, there's always it was a 301 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 3: roller coaster a variety, right. There was it was, you know, 302 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 3: he'd have these great plays, but they when't win games. 303 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 3: There was the contract situation, he's done. I think people 304 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 3: are realizing kind of what they're missing right, Like there's 305 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 3: not really susion plan in place, and I think that 306 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 3: people are kind of starting to realize that, hey, you know, 307 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 3: maybe we were a little bit better off with Tyler. 308 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: Here is is Jacoby Brissette favor to be the starter 309 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: down there next season? 310 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 3: I think so this offense, I mean they won one 311 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 3: game with him last year at quarterbacks, but the offense 312 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 3: took some significant strides. So I think if you put 313 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 3: some pieces around him, then I think he could he 314 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 3: could thrive in this in this uh in this offense. 315 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 3: But here's the thing where people don't talk about. They're like, oh, 316 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 3: he went one and eleven as a starter. I'm like, yeah, 317 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 3: but the defense is giving up thirty seven points a game, 318 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 3: Like like what the defense is is letting other teams 319 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 3: score thirty seven or forty. Like you're not gonna win 320 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 3: football games, doesn't matter who your quarterback is. So I 321 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 3: think he has what it takes. I think if they've 322 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 3: been putting some pieces around him, the defense is is key. 323 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 3: If they can get the defense going, then I think 324 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 3: he has a chance to win some more games here. 325 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: And I mean, you you, Josh, you have to be 326 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: good friends with Courtney Cronin right, both with the ESPN, 327 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: both I U grads, both loving that Hoosiers football team. 328 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: I mean, what what a year for you guys. How 329 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: well do you know Courtney? 330 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 3: I know her very well. It's been it's been a 331 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 3: wild year. So pitching myself that to see if this 332 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 3: actually happened, Like I'm waiting to wake up one morning 333 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: and we're not national champions, but that will never happen. 334 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 3: We're national champs for life. And it's been that's been incredible. 335 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: Do you do you think Mendoza eventually will do okay 336 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: in the NFL? 337 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 3: I do? I do. I think. I think having Tom 338 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 3: Brady as a mentor in in Vegas will be very 339 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 3: helpful for him. I have a very big problem how 340 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 3: the ANFOL treats young quarterback. The reason you guys are 341 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 3: drafted high is because the teams are terrible. Right So 342 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 3: you you you take these young guys, you put an 343 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 3: entire franchise on their shoulders and say, hey, go win 344 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 3: some games. Well, it's usually not just the quarterback that 345 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 3: you have issues with, right you. You usually have to 346 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 3: hold all over your roster. And I think that in 347 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 3: order for a young guy to succeed. Maybe sitting a 348 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 3: year kind of maybe having some expectations lowered a little 349 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 3: bit could be helpful. But I do think he has 350 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 3: the personality to succeed. I think he's tough as nailed. 351 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 3: I think that's going to be huge. And the kid 352 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 3: can throw a great ball. Right, So you put those 353 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 3: three together. It might not be right away, it might 354 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 3: not be for a couple of years, but I think 355 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 3: essentially he will be a very good NFL quarterback. 356 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: Okay, Josh, so we we we've heard and or read Mary. 357 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: It takes on this question, you know, and we have 358 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: you here. You cover the team, so you're as close 359 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: to the team as anybody. Well, the Arizona Cardinals, why 360 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: would they eat like thirty five million dollars to have 361 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray leave? 362 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, a great question. I think it's just sill with time, right. 363 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 3: I think in every relationship there comes a time where 364 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 3: most relationships, I should say that, there comes a time 365 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 3: when you just kind of you need to move on. 366 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 3: I think that was what it came to here, right. 367 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 3: I think it's it ran its course. I think everyone 368 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 3: needs a fresh start. The internal relationship was not great. 369 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 3: Kyler and he saw how this organization treated him last 370 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 3: year when he got hurt, and then they made it 371 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 3: very clear that Jakobe Brissett was a starter and they 372 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 3: made it know they're not going to bring him back 373 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 3: as a start. I think that really rubbed him the 374 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 3: wrong way. It's kind of been a rocky road with 375 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 3: with this team since he got here, honestly, and then 376 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 3: you take into accounts a new coach, a new system. 377 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 3: Michael Floor got hired here in February, and I think 378 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 3: it's a matter of do they know can he fit 379 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 3: the system? And obviously Michael Floor has his style of 380 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 3: quarterback that he likes, and but honestly, I don't know 381 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 3: how musta factor into it. This could have been a 382 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 3: decision way above Michael Floor's head. So I think it 383 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 3: was his time for for for everyone to kind of say, 384 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 3: you know what, we're gonna go our own way. 385 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: All right. So you know, Kyler gets that deal, he 386 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: gets all the money and and it's a ham sandwich 387 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: deal here man. So but sometime, you know, as well 388 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: as anybody, sometimes you can have dollars but not have cents. 389 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: So should this be eye opening or let me phrase 390 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: it this way, what should be eye opening to Kyler 391 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: Murray as he starts his next chapter. 392 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 3: That's a good question. I think what's going to really 393 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 3: stand out to him is that there are there are 394 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 3: organizations out there who are prepared to win immediately, right, 395 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 3: Like you look at the Vikings facilities, you look at 396 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 3: the Vikings roster, the coaching staff, like, everything is built 397 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 3: to win. And we've seen what they could do, right, 398 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 3: we saw a couple of years ago. You know that 399 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 3: the team that they put together with Sam Darnold, but 400 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 3: you also see kind of what it's like on a 401 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 3: day to day basis, and I think that he will 402 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 3: see that. You know what, it's not all about the money, 403 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 3: It's it's about a franchise that that's built to succeed. 404 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 3: And I know one thing that he was looking for 405 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 3: in his next team was organizational organizational stability, and I 406 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 3: think he feels like he found that in Minnesota, right, 407 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 3: So it'll be interesting to see how that trains relays 408 00:20:59,240 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 3: on the field. 409 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: From what you know, Josh and and via your discernment, 410 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: is he a hard worker? Is he somebody always trying 411 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: to solve problems? 412 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think the whole idea of this, you know, 413 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 3: independent study clause to me, was ridiculous. Here's kind of 414 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 3: where it came from. Right, People in the organization looked 415 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 3: at his numbers on the iPad and saw that he 416 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 3: wasn't opening it a lot, if at all, at home. 417 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 3: But the problem is that they didn't realize, or they 418 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 3: did realize, they just didn't care. They wanted to make 419 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 3: it not he was doing all his studying at the facility, right. 420 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,719 Speaker 3: And then I heard recently that it went like this. 421 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 3: What the offense he was running under Cliff Kingsbury was 422 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 3: basic mass, basic additions, passion, basic division, right, like all 423 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 3: the basics, right. Well, if you know everything so well, 424 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 3: do you have to put in as much time as 425 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 3: you do if you don't know it well? When the 426 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 3: new regime came in with Jonathan Gann as head coach 427 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 3: and Drew Petting at the OC, he spent a ton 428 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 3: of time studying. I don't as someone who's seen him basically, 429 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 3: you know, every working day for seven years, I don't 430 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 3: question his his his work ethic. I don't question his 431 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 3: study habit. I think that he relies a lot on 432 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 3: his gifted talent, which are far suppear than most players 433 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 3: in the NFL. But I don't question whether or not 434 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 3: he can be an NFL quarterback in terms of working hard, right, 435 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 3: Like he said, after the whole independent study Clucks came out, 436 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 3: he called him. He called like a promptly press conference 437 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 3: training camp in twenty two, twenty two, and he said, guys, 438 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 3: do you think I cannot study and play at the 439 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 3: quarterback in the NFL? And we're all like no. He's like, exactly, 440 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 3: do you have to study? And I think he puts 441 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 3: them the work. 442 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: I do God that that That's as good an explanation 443 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,719 Speaker 1: of that as I've heard in about the last two 444 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: and a half weeks, very well explained by Josh Weinfuss 445 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: covers the Arizona Cardinals for ESPN. How well how well 446 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: does Kyler Murray identify man in zone, which is key 447 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: for the running portion of the equation. 448 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think there's an issue with it. 449 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 3: Here's the thing with Tyler, I think, and this was 450 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 3: explained to me by someone in the locker room this year. 451 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 3: He knows he's either the best athlete on the field 452 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 3: or the second best athlete on the field. So he 453 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 3: has a tendency to go through his progressions with go 454 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 3: to one maybe go to two and then he realizes 455 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 3: he can probably beat a linebacker off the edge, and 456 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 3: he takes off. Is that gonna flying Kevin O'Connell's offense. 457 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 3: I don't know. Right Are they gonna let him do that? 458 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 3: I don't know, but that tends to be kind of 459 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 3: how he operates. I think he can play. He can 460 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 3: do everything. I think he's capable of reading the zone, 461 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 3: reading man, of finding guys in the middle, of finding 462 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 3: guys on the edge. He has incredible touch. The thing 463 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 3: that a lot of people don't appreciate about him, the 464 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 3: kid has an unbelievable arm, right Like if he could 465 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 3: be a pocket passer and just throw them all over 466 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 3: the yard, he would do it. But he also knows 467 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 3: and teams know that his legs are a weapon, so 468 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 3: they utilize that. But I don't think there's a problem 469 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 3: with with throwing in zone or. 470 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: Man, he didn't start going under center a bunch and 471 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: Dey'll on twenty four with Drew bettsing we went over 472 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: this pretty hard on a Friday, where I mean, unless 473 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: I'm making a mistake here, Josh, I don't think Kyler 474 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: went under center one time twenty nineteen and twenty twenty 475 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: when he started so by design under Kingsbury, does he 476 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: struggle playing under center and turning his back on the 477 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: defense with play action. 478 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 3: I don't think he struggled, I think and I think 479 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 3: he would. He would admit that he has admitted this. 480 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 3: I think with his size, I think sometimes seeing the 481 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 3: field could be an issue if he had to be 482 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 3: under center, or if he is on the move like that, 483 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 3: I think that could be a slight issue. But at 484 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 3: the same time, like if it's a timing out, I 485 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 3: think he's fine. But I think it was a massive 486 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 3: adjustment going under center. I know they changed his footwk, 487 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 3: they changed kind of his job, they changes his step, 488 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 3: all of that to go under center, and I think 489 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 3: that it took him a little while to get used to. 490 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 3: So I still think he's in the gun. I think 491 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 3: he can. It helps him kind of see everything. I 492 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 3: think it allows him to kind of make the read 493 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 3: quicker than under center. But I don't think he has 494 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 3: a problem going under center, as we saw the last 495 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 3: couple of years, time for two more. 496 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: Are there common threads with defenses trying to stop him? 497 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: What like do they play him a certain way and 498 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: hopes he gets himself in trouble. 499 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, so well, they tried to. I said, we saw 500 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 3: it last year two years ago against Seattle. They were 501 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 3: able to cut off the edge better than anyone I've 502 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 3: ever seen do it against him. And once that happened, 503 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 3: he was followed that And I think part of that 504 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 3: was a him issue. Part of that was a scheme issue, 505 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 3: like they didn't make adjustments to figure out a way 506 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 3: to relieve that or alleviate that. I guess if a 507 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 3: team can cut off the edge against him, he's gonna 508 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 3: have a hard time moving right, Like he's gonna have 509 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 3: to get up the middle. So if your offensive line 510 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 3: can't create those holes, he stuck. But the thing is 511 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 3: that he can get outside, and if he can get 512 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 3: outside early in games, and I've never understood why White 513 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 3: his coaches have not made him move in the first 514 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 3: drive a ton just to kind of put a defense 515 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 3: on fields. If he can get out early, it puts 516 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 3: a defense on their heels the entire game because they 517 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 3: don't know what he's gonna do. But if you can 518 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 3: contain the edge against him, it could be a long 519 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 3: day for Kyler Murray. 520 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 1: All right, last one, thank you very much. Should should 521 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray succeed here with O'Connell as head coach and 522 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: play caller and Justin Jefferson Jordan Atison Christian dari saw 523 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: on nice defense. I mean, should if he stays healthy, 524 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: should he succeed here? 525 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 3: In one word, yes, And here's why. And to me, 526 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 3: this is the biggest reason. He having a guy like 527 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson. There a he's in all world talent and 528 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 3: he can catch everything. Right. We saw what Kyler do 529 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 3: DeAndre Hopkins in from twenty twenty to twenty twenty two. Right, 530 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 3: But you add in the fact that Justin Jefferson is 531 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 3: the base of this franchise, So that's another added weight 532 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 3: that Kyler does not have to carry. I know it's 533 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 3: one year, but we also don't know what's happen to 534 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 3: the future. So if you can kind of put that 535 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 3: on Justin Jefferson to be the face of the team 536 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 3: and let Kyler do his thing. He's a quiet person. 537 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,719 Speaker 3: He's naturally quiet. He's been described to me as an introvert, right, 538 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 3: He's just who he is as a person. If you 539 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 3: can let someone else kind of do the talking and 540 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 3: be that face, I think Tyler can operate in work 541 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 3: and quiet. I think he can succeed quite a bit. 542 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: Josh, that was fantastic. You're awesome man. Have a wonderful 543 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: offseason and hopefully we get a chance to catch up 544 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: somewhere down the road. 545 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 3: Thank you very much, absolutely thanks for having me. 546 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: Yeh see about Josh Winfuss Minnesota grew up listening to 547 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: kfa n who knew and writes for ESPN and covers 548 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. It's eleven forty one. The final segment 549 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 1: for nine to Noon takes place around the corner, so 550 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: don't guu until the mo Okay, So earlier in the 551 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: show Nine to Noon, unfer Or unveiled somebody reporting on 552 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: the X machine that there is a certain running back 553 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: who the Vikings will be entertaining for their for their 554 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: Top thirty get together which takes place in front of 555 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: the draft. And and that name is is somebody I'd 556 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: never heard of h Nordo's and Elite acc mind, so 557 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: we've probably heard of demand Claiborne five ninety five pounds 558 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: running back for Wake Forest. 559 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 4: Nope, I'm excited to watch two YouTube videos and as 560 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 4: we get closer to the draft, pretend to I've watched 561 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 4: all of his games. 562 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: I honestly, I'm I'm just happy that I didn't call 563 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: him Desmond Claiborne and recognize it's demand. Kind of like 564 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: Carlos Lambeau. 565 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 3: Show. 566 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: No, No, Paul, you actually don't need to coven and 567 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,239 Speaker 1: clean up with Michigan. They're they're the one seed, but 568 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: you do need one with Carlos Lambeau. All right, let's 569 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: cool mess up there for speculation and for sponsoring. But 570 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: all right, so there my guy John Harris, Our guy 571 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: John Harris, Yeah, sideline antalyst for the Houston Texans radio network. 572 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: He has a website called Football Takeover dot Com. Joins 573 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: us about two three, four times a year to discuss 574 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: free agency draft always joins us at the combine. We 575 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: had a twenty minute interview with John Harris that we 576 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: played day after I got back from Indianapolis recently. So 577 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: with his website, Football takeover dot Com very comprehensive when 578 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: it comes to analysis of players. So what I did was, 579 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: after I validated that this demand Claiborne indeed is part 580 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: of that top thirty meeting. Yeah, I went to the 581 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: Football Takeover dot Com machine And here's what John writes 582 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: about him very short, but you're gonna like the comp 583 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: and Harris. It doesn't mean he's right all time. But 584 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, man, when I ran into 585 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: him at the Combine and we had all these good 586 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: quarterbacks and one of the better quarterback drafts in the 587 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: history of the NFL, he had a lot, a lot 588 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: on Caleb, a lot on bo, a lot on Jayden Daniels, 589 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy, Drake May. I mean he went on for 590 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: five minutes explaining why Drake May was the best, and really, 591 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: I think after five or ten years it won't even 592 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: be close. That's what he said so far. He's right. 593 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: Drake is the right one to have from that class 594 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: at this stage. And he's had other draft related hits 595 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: nine to new He's just super He used to scout 596 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: for college football teams. Man, he's just really good at 597 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: what he does. So now, knowing showtimes back in the Covenant, 598 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: got Jordan Mason and that's where you are as of now. 599 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: Demon Claiborn, super patient followed by bursts of pure explosion. 600 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: He looks much bigger than he's listed at five to ten, 601 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: excellent feet to me, highly effective jump cuts, but it's 602 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: that a to b burst that caught my attention right 603 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: off the bat. This slow mesh Reid offense afforded him 604 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: the opportunity to capitalize on his vision, decision making and 605 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: the aforementioned burst to go through holes. His ability to 606 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: hit maximum acceleration by his third step is highly impressive. 607 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: If he spies a hole, you're in trouble and he's gone. 608 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: In high school, he was a track star, winning the 609 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one Virginia State one hundred meter dash and 610 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: earning runner up honors in the two hundred meters. In 611 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: off season testing, he squatted five hundred pounds and posted 612 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: a power clean of three hundred pounds demon Clayborne and 613 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: a comparison to Kenneth Gainwell. Ain't nothing wrong with that. 614 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: There ain't nothing wrong with that. No, there's nothing wrong right, 615 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: another wrong that. Not everybody can be. Not everybody can 616 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: be Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, Adrian Peterson, er Jim Brown. 617 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: But here's the bit. Gainwell fast, Gainwell catches, Gainwell plays 618 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: on third down like Chester. Taylor used two here for 619 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: Peterson because he gets past protection. So I'm not you know, 620 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is team Emmitt Johnson. Until 621 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: it's not team Emma Johnson. That's correct. So he has 622 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: Demon Claiborne as the seventh best running back, seventh best 623 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: running back, seventh best running back. It goes Jeremiah Love first, 624 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: and the comp there is James Cook Buffalo's James Cook 625 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: Jadarium Price. Wow, he's got Notre Dame backs one and two. 626 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: They got two backs that are that guy. 627 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, the Jendarium Price cats really good too. 628 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: The comp there is Travis Etna, Mike Washington Junior. That's 629 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,959 Speaker 1: that speedy Arkansas guy that Emma Johnson our guy talk 630 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: talked about last week. He has him comped to Rashad White, 631 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: k Tron Allen, Penn State, I amg Academy. His comp 632 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: is Chick Knob. Brown's not Texans. He writes out, He's 633 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: a mini Nick Chob. Then Emmitt Johnson he is his 634 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: fifth best running back Okay, and he compares him to 635 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: Traveon Henderson. He writes he's so freaking fast when he 636 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: gets out of open space, he gets vertical quickly, and 637 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: his agility and change the direction are a stop on 638 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: the dime, give you change sort of thing and dynamically fast. 639 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: But I really like him in duo runs whatever those are. 640 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 4: I just wonder when the cliff comes, Jeremiah Love, we're 641 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 4: talking about going like top ten. 642 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: Right, Well, where's the cliff? 643 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 3: Right? 644 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: Where a Jendarian price? 645 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 3: You know it? 646 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 4: Is it a third round where Emma Johnson's staring us 647 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 4: in the face. 648 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: Okay, So Jonah Coleman Washington by way of Arizona or something. Yeah, 649 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: hit the comp there is Jalen Warren. That wouldn't be 650 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: a cliff, right, No, Demon Clayborne, Kenneth Gainwell. Gainwell can 651 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: work to the NFL, but Tow's are approaching the cliff. Yeah, 652 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: Day three, like that'd be an early Saturday? Would you 653 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: would you say an early Saturday pick for Kenneth Gainwell? Now, 654 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: what a great question. If you knew what you knew, 655 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: if you know what you know now what you needed 656 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: to know then about Gainwell? Where would he be taking? 657 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: That's a great that's a great question, and I think 658 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: you nailed it. H Nicholas singletony our Singleton. That is 659 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: Penn State the comp there, Javonte Williams, and we're still 660 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: not off the cliff. Uh, Leon Moss Texas A and 661 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: m the comp Chewba Hubbard Now we're looking over the edge. 662 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: We're going to see if there are rocks below it. 663 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: Tube is fine. Bye, here we go. I'm glad you 664 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: asked that question, Kaylon Black James Indiana by way of 665 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: James Madison. The comp by hay Shoal Tutin. Yeah, well, 666 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: there we go. We found the cliff by who the 667 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: heck is this Tutin for the for the Jags. We've 668 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: identified the bottom ladies and gentlemen. Oh that's great. And 669 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: then the next one is uh Russell face on. Okay, 670 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,760 Speaker 1: I wonderfre he is related to Cedric face face and whatever? 671 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: Comp there cam Akers, all right, I think I think 672 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: we found the edd. Hey, thank you for listening to us. 673 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: We're back at it tomorrow and a talker Tuesday. Bernardo. 674 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: I'm Paul Allen. May God bless you and all of 675 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,399 Speaker 1: your families have a wonderful day with the good news 676 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: their money Leave them Up podcast Today's Paul Allen Show. 677 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 3: We're listening back to previews, show and interviews by going 678 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 3: to the iHeartRadio app or kf an do