WEBVTT - Eddie & Rocky -- 12/22/25

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<v Speaker 1>Back on the Big one seven hundred w l W would

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<v Speaker 1>see Eddie and Rockney Show, Dan Carrol, Jason Williams in

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<v Speaker 1>for Eddie and the Rock.

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<v Speaker 2>How it's been a little while, it has, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but it wouldn't holiday. It wouldn't be a holiday without

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<v Speaker 2>you and I being here, all right?

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<v Speaker 3>How many?

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<v Speaker 1>How many years? Now? This is our fourth straight season?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it our fourth year?

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<v Speaker 4>Year?

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<v Speaker 1>Season? Season? Season?

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<v Speaker 2>Is the right word? You say Merry Christmas to people?

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<v Speaker 2>Are absolutely you impressed me as a happy Holidays. Merry Christmas. No, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kidding, No, merry Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember that one year when it was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like you're offending everyone by saying Merry Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>to people. I think we've I think we've crossed that bridge.

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<v Speaker 2>But that I mean that was in the rear view mirror.

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<v Speaker 2>Now yeah, oh yeah, Merry Christmas, the merry Christmas to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy.

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<v Speaker 2>We will be here through Christmas a year and right

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<v Speaker 2>up until the New year. Keep so I'm looking forward

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<v Speaker 2>to that. I'm also looking forward to talking about what

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<v Speaker 2>happened on Sunday. By the way, Austin Elmore is front

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<v Speaker 2>of the Big board absolutely seven today. So we always

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate Austin being here. And in the meantime, we had

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<v Speaker 2>a Bengals game yesterday, Bengals down in sunny Florida looking

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<v Speaker 2>looking pretty good out there in the in the sunshine,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Bengals winning game. And here to break it

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<v Speaker 2>down is uh, they like to call him Trags, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's also known as Mike Petralia and uh it's Sincincy

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<v Speaker 2>dot com c L c l n S. Since I'm

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<v Speaker 2>reading this wrong, aren't I that c L what's the trags?

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<v Speaker 2>What does cel n S stand for?

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<v Speaker 1>This is good?

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<v Speaker 5>So I'm gonna give you guys a little bit of

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<v Speaker 5>a Christmas treat. I've never I don't think, talked about

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<v Speaker 5>this on the air, but yeah, the c l n

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<v Speaker 5>S stands for Celtics Late Night Show. It's a Boston

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<v Speaker 5>based digital platform company, obviously since expanded to Cincinnati circa

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<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty one, but it was founded a digital platform

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<v Speaker 5>company founded in the wake of Kevin Garnett and the

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<v Speaker 5>Big Three in Boston winning a Celtics championship in two

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<v Speaker 5>thousand and eight.

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<v Speaker 1>How about that? Love it? So now a little a

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<v Speaker 1>little history lesson to start off the day.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, that's on s. Yeah, but I'm looking.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at this and the headline on this is

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<v Speaker 2>that's how it's supposed to look. And uh, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was thinking, and I was thinking during the game, and

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Williams, tell me if you were thinking the same thing,

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<v Speaker 2>that it's amazing how when Joe Burrow was on his game,

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<v Speaker 2>when when everyone else is on their game, and when

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<v Speaker 2>the defense is playing moderately, Well, it's amazing how easy

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<v Speaker 2>they make it look.

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<v Speaker 1>It's how you drew it up, isn't it though? I

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<v Speaker 1>mean no, but tracks, let me ask you this. It doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wasn't thinking that, but yes, well, I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's great. They they had, they had a

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<v Speaker 2>great outings. They put up what forty five points? The

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<v Speaker 2>defense only gave up twenty one, which in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of cases, you know, won't won't win your football game.

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<v Speaker 2>But in any case, these are now meaningless games. What's

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<v Speaker 2>what's the upside to them winning games now? When you

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<v Speaker 2>know the playoffs is in the rearview?

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<v Speaker 1>Mare?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, so I'm going to go all coach speak on you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to use one of the great cliches in

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<v Speaker 1>all of football. None of these games are meaningless to

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<v Speaker 1>the players playing them.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, why is that relevant to the Bengals Because you

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<v Speaker 5>have a lot of young players on defense who need

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<v Speaker 5>to show their legitimate players and contenders for a roster

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<v Speaker 5>spot in twenty twenty six. And one of those players

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<v Speaker 5>spoke today, Jordan Battle. Jordan Battle can be a good

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<v Speaker 5>player if you put veterans like and maybe perhaps a

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<v Speaker 5>different veteran safety along with him in the secondary. Another

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<v Speaker 5>two other players that you should keep an eye on

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<v Speaker 5>in the final two games Dax Hill and DJ Turner.

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<v Speaker 5>Dax Hill could be your starting outside corner opposite DJ

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<v Speaker 5>Turner next year. That is something I think that the

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<v Speaker 5>Bengals are seriously giving thought to, and that would mean

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<v Speaker 5>they'd of course have to come up with a nickel corner.

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<v Speaker 5>But those are two players who have a lot at stake.

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<v Speaker 5>Another player that has a lot of steak is Shamar Stewart,

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<v Speaker 5>the first round pick out of Texas A and M

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<v Speaker 5>the defensive edge that hasn't been able to get on

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<v Speaker 5>the field except for six games this year. He needs

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<v Speaker 5>to show something in the final two games of the season.

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<v Speaker 5>All of these players happen to be on the defensive side.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the ball.

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<v Speaker 5>But I do think that the Bengals need to show

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<v Speaker 5>that their defense has playmakers on it, even if it's

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<v Speaker 5>against three and twelve Arizona, even if it's against three

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<v Speaker 5>and twelve Cleveland. These defensive players need to show that

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<v Speaker 5>they belong on the roster going forward. To me, and yes,

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<v Speaker 5>draft position is at stake, and I get all that

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<v Speaker 5>better draft pick if you lose the last two games,

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<v Speaker 5>But to me, the bigger picture is getting these younger

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<v Speaker 5>second and third year players to show that they belong

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<v Speaker 5>in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 2>I liked your column Day Drags. I always like your

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<v Speaker 2>columns because you I appreciate that you often have a

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<v Speaker 2>very different viewpoint than I do, and like Dan, I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate different viewpoints. I want to read this what you

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<v Speaker 2>wrote here a chunk out of your column. Quote everything

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<v Speaker 2>the Bengals did on defense in the third quarter, forcing

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<v Speaker 2>three turnovers and turning the Dolphins over on downs on

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<v Speaker 2>another drive set the Bengals up to succeed on offense.

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<v Speaker 2>Say it together, complimentary football quote. That's how it's supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to look like. Joe Burrow said that bingo. That was

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<v Speaker 2>spot on, because that's that's been the talk all year.

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<v Speaker 2>And this comes a week after Joe Burrow said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>called them a bad football team, called the Bengals a

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<v Speaker 2>bad football team because they hadn't in part because they

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't played complimentary football they did yesterday and that I

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<v Speaker 2>guess wrote.

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<v Speaker 1>A go ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, not not to jump in here, Jason. I also

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<v Speaker 5>wrote the problem with that is it took sixteen games

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<v Speaker 5>to get to that point.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm glad you answered my question, Yes, why did

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<v Speaker 2>it take you?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, that's a good that is your what's the cap

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<v Speaker 5>number this year that they have to spend? That's the

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<v Speaker 5>one and ten dollar question to be answered in the offseason?

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<v Speaker 5>W who is responsible for jump starting? And actually that

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<v Speaker 5>was the question today. I asked Jordan Battle in the

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<v Speaker 5>locker room, so what do you guys need to do

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<v Speaker 5>next year to be better? Like what are you setting

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<v Speaker 5>your sights on? And he said, well, it's going to

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<v Speaker 5>sound cliche and we've said this before, but this has

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<v Speaker 5>to start at the.

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<v Speaker 1>Beginning of the year, and yes it does.

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<v Speaker 5>The key to me for the Bengals next year will

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<v Speaker 5>be the offseason. What kind of veterans do they bring

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<v Speaker 5>Dj riederback from Detroit and doesn't appear to be ending

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<v Speaker 5>very neatly there in the Motor City. Do they bring

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<v Speaker 5>an established leader, already a known commodity in the Bengal

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<v Speaker 5>locker room back to Cincinnati at the age of thirty one?

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<v Speaker 5>How much gas is left in the tank. Could he

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<v Speaker 5>be a player they bring back to solidify the defensive

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<v Speaker 5>line and the locker room in general. I think that's

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<v Speaker 5>a possibility. But they've got to bring in several players

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<v Speaker 5>like they did in twenty twenty in twenty twenty one

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<v Speaker 5>and not put it all on rookies and first year

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<v Speaker 5>second year players. That's to me, the big problem this

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<v Speaker 5>year is you had a first year defensive coordinator. You

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<v Speaker 5>had at least six players, seven players starting on defense

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<v Speaker 5>who were either in there first, second, or third year

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<v Speaker 5>of the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>That's wait, You're not going to win many games like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Tracks you do a lot of shows, you sit in

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<v Speaker 2>from Olegar, you hear from You're here for Lance from

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<v Speaker 2>time to time, and a lot of times Friday night,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah he was here that last Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was listening to me too, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I hear those guys talk a lot about the play

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<v Speaker 2>calling and the lack of creativity and you know, why

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<v Speaker 2>are we running on second down and eight things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Was the play calling that much different yesterday that it

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<v Speaker 2>made such a difference.

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<v Speaker 1>I think not really. I just think the execution was better.

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<v Speaker 5>They got inside, they got in the red zone, inside

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<v Speaker 5>the twenty yard line the opponent's twenty, and scored all

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<v Speaker 5>six times with touchdowns, and you know it was plenty

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<v Speaker 5>After the game yes today, Zach Taylor admitted that he

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<v Speaker 5>went up to Jamar Chase I think it was Jamar,

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<v Speaker 5>and said, please come down and punch me in the stomach,

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<v Speaker 5>but I don't call this certain route down the field

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<v Speaker 5>for a pass play. And I'm sure Jamar laughed at

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<v Speaker 5>him and said, you you sure about that?

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<v Speaker 1>But at least Zach has an awareness.

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<v Speaker 5>And you can criticize Zach Taylor all you want, but

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<v Speaker 5>in terms of play calling offensively, I think he does

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<v Speaker 5>a pretty good job. He knows what these weapons are

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<v Speaker 5>supposed to look like when they are fully healthy and

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<v Speaker 5>fully productive. He knows what the offense is supposed to

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<v Speaker 5>look like, and I give Zach credit for that. It's

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<v Speaker 5>on the defensive side of the ball where I think

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<v Speaker 5>they've asked the offense to cover up for too many mistakes,

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<v Speaker 5>and then the offense gets out of rhythm. They start

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<v Speaker 5>forcing things down the field instead of just trying to

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<v Speaker 5>manipulate the field ten and fifteen yards.

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<v Speaker 1>At a pop.

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<v Speaker 5>That to me, that that's how I would change things

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<v Speaker 5>going into next year.

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<v Speaker 1>Trags.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't talk about the Bengals and and what they

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<v Speaker 2>did yesterday without the fact that Joe Burrow played well

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<v Speaker 2>and and and bounced back and had a nice game.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know that one at one play where he's running, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>scrambling around one way and he throws it back across

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<v Speaker 2>his body and uh, I believe that was to sample

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<v Speaker 2>right the tight end. It was, yes Uh that that

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<v Speaker 2>was that was fun to watch. And I guess my

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<v Speaker 2>question to you is looking back over the last couple

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<v Speaker 2>of weeks and Joe Burrow coming back, and it looked

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like he clarified what he was saying even

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<v Speaker 2>more that he was it's not fun sitting out and

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<v Speaker 2>rehabbing injuries insummation here and then looking back on everything

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<v Speaker 2>that he said over the last few weeks and taking

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<v Speaker 2>how he played yesterday, where like this, where do you

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<v Speaker 2>feel about how do you feel about Joe moving forward?

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<v Speaker 1>Now?

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<v Speaker 5>I think a lot of it has to do with

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<v Speaker 5>how the team looks next year, frankly, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 5>going to go beyond next year. And I think Joe

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<v Speaker 5>Burrow answered Paul Danner Junior's question perfectly. He said, I

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<v Speaker 5>don't see myself anywhere but Cincinnati next year. But beyond that,

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<v Speaker 5>I think about a lot of things. We think about

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of things. And I think that was his

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<v Speaker 5>way of saying, let's fix it next year so we

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<v Speaker 5>don't go through this again. That's where I think Joe

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<v Speaker 5>Burrow's mind is at. Certainly he was. I think one

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<v Speaker 5>phase of the grief that he went through this year,

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<v Speaker 5>the football grief, was rehabbing another injury. He's had four.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it is significant surgeries that takes a toll,

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<v Speaker 5>not only physically, but as he told us, mentally, the

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<v Speaker 5>mental rehab. To not only get back on the field,

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<v Speaker 5>but get back on the field about a month ahead

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<v Speaker 5>of schedule each and every time requires a lot of work,

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of emotional energy, and that's when he puts

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<v Speaker 5>forth that energy. And Denny sees, like the rest of

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<v Speaker 5>the team, there's no apparent urgency from the rest of

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<v Speaker 5>the organization to build up the defense to sign guys

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<v Speaker 5>on defense to compliment what they're doing on offense.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't buy the fact at all.

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<v Speaker 5>For a millisecond do I buy the fact that, well,

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<v Speaker 5>you spend the money on Joe Burrow, T Higgins and

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<v Speaker 5>Jamar Chase, you don't have anything left. Of course, they

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<v Speaker 5>had money left, and they could have been more aggressive

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<v Speaker 5>in building the roster on the defensive side of the ball,

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<v Speaker 5>but they chose to take a gamble, a calculated gamble

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<v Speaker 5>that they thought they could be the Philadelphia Eagles draft

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<v Speaker 5>all of their young players on defense and they'd all produce. Well,

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<v Speaker 5>what happens is when you miss in the draft, like

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<v Speaker 5>the Bengals have the last four or five years, in

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<v Speaker 5>the second and third rounds. You can't do that because

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<v Speaker 5>the players aren't good enough. And you know, I think

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<v Speaker 5>Joe Burrow wants a different approach to this offseason, and

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<v Speaker 5>so that's what I think all of it is about.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think, you know, he is a very deep

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<v Speaker 5>thinking young man, Joe Burrow is, and and I think

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<v Speaker 5>that's what you saw in the last couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Real quick tracks where we get to trafficking weather here,

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<v Speaker 2>piggybacking off of that. What would what does Joe burrowes

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<v Speaker 2>does he does he say, uh, front office, you need

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<v Speaker 2>to fix this, you need to go get this guy

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<v Speaker 2>like and how much will they listen to him? I

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<v Speaker 2>know he's a guy they've listened to more so than

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<v Speaker 2>any other player in franchise history. But what do you

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<v Speaker 2>see him having influence there and fixing or at least

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<v Speaker 2>trying to address some of these needs.

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<v Speaker 5>Like last year with t Higgins and Jamar Chase when

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<v Speaker 5>he went to back for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I do think he has a voice.

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<v Speaker 5>He has a voice that's not like Jalen Davis in

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<v Speaker 5>the locker room.

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<v Speaker 1>Jillen Davis isn't going to the.

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<v Speaker 5>Front office, or neither is daxx Hill. But Joe Burrow

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<v Speaker 5>does have a voice, and he has acknowledged as much

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<v Speaker 5>to us in his Wednesday prescotference it says I have

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<v Speaker 5>a voice. I let them know, but I'm not the

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<v Speaker 5>general manager. I leave them that up to the football

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<v Speaker 5>decision makers and what they decide to do. It's out

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<v Speaker 5>of his hands. And Joe Burrow has also made that

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<v Speaker 5>much clear as well.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, trags, we got to run, But I want

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<v Speaker 2>to thank you for the time. Will you be gracing

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<v Speaker 2>the airwaves here or down the hall anytime soon down

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<v Speaker 2>the Hall.

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<v Speaker 5>Wednesday afternoon, I'm filling in for the one and only

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<v Speaker 5>Tony Pike noon to.

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<v Speaker 1>Three on the SPN fifteen thirty. So thanks for asking.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan, outstanding outstanding trag. You know you do a great

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<v Speaker 2>job on the radio and filling it for Tony Pike.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that that's some big shoes right there, because that

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<v Speaker 2>guy I.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they are.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, Happy Holiday Gaith on Twitter, Happy Merry Christmas to

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<v Speaker 2>you all the best of your trags.

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas. All right, Chris, there you go. Thank I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Guy's analysis and he does a great job whenever he'sa

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<v Speaker 2>on there. Absolutely three twenty three, let's do a little

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<v Speaker 2>traffic and weather together on seven hundred WW.

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<v Speaker 6>the off ramp to southbound seventy one that's at the

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<v Speaker 6>split in Walton and blocked off due to an accident

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<v Speaker 6>as well. Traffic backed up from rich Wood Road. Delays

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<v Speaker 6>have gone down a little bit right now, a five

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<v Speaker 6>minutes slow down. Also on westbound two seventy five, the

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<v Speaker 6>right lane blocked off from a disabled vehicle between Lebanon

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<v Speaker 6>and Mostellar Road. Traffic running slow northbound seventy five between

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<v Speaker 6>Mitchell and Paddock, and more slow traffic southbound seventy five

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<v Speaker 6>from Zer Charles Drive down to Fort Washington Way. I'm

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<v Speaker 6>at Ezebek on news radio seven hundred WLW.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the nine first one forecast. Some light sprinkles, showers

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<v Speaker 2>maybe moving through the tri State tonight, nothing all that heavy.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to have an overnight low fifties. I'm sorry, forty,

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<v Speaker 2>not fifty six. Tomorrow's highest fifty six under mostly cloudy skies.

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<v Speaker 2>Tomorrow night cloudy, cool, the overnight low forty, and then

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas Eve we're looking at a high under cloudy skies

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<v Speaker 2>of fifty six and maybe even in the sixties.

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<v Speaker 1>For Christmas Day it is forty four at seven hundred WLW.

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<v Speaker 1>This report is sponsored by Jake Sweeney Automotive, serving the

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<v Speaker 1>tri State for over one hundred years.

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<v Speaker 7>It's red Tag time at Jake Swinny Chevrolet Together let's

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<v Speaker 7>drive and get.

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<v Speaker 1>All right back on the big one seven hundred WLW

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<v Speaker 1>three forty on this Monday afternoon. What have we got

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<v Speaker 1>two days? Two days before Christmas?

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<v Speaker 2>Today's the twenty second, So you got the twenty second,

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty third, and then the twenty fourth.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess what.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's past twelve noon already, so about two and

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<v Speaker 2>a half days of Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>That sound right? That sounds right. Two and a half days.

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<v Speaker 1>You and I will be here all week except Christmas Day. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The seven hundred WLW what do they call Christmas Spectacular

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<v Speaker 2>will be happy. Yeah, So we're going to do our

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<v Speaker 2>It's I think this is at the very least our

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<v Speaker 2>fourth year. Is our fourth year to do this week.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not arguing with you. I'm just saying this that

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<v Speaker 2>you're probably right. At one year, it was one of

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<v Speaker 2>those days. It was rough. Remember my furnace broke a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years ago, three years ago, it was that

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<v Speaker 2>was some nasty weather. But we're talking about temperatures in

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<v Speaker 2>the sixties. It's crazy sixties for Christmas. Unbelievable. I may

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<v Speaker 2>I did not ride the motorcycle today. I may do

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<v Speaker 2>it one day this week because it's not calling for rain,

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<v Speaker 2>cloudy skies. You know tomorrow's high what fifty six?

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<v Speaker 1>What's supposed to be on Christmas? Sixty three?

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<v Speaker 2>Fifty six on Christmas Eve? And then they're talking right now,

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<v Speaker 2>they're saying sixty two for Christmas Day. Bring that on?

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<v Speaker 2>I can can I call? Can we carry that all

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<v Speaker 2>the way through January? Can I call one of the

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<v Speaker 2>betting services and bet a high? Can you bet on

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<v Speaker 2>the weather? Can you bet on the high temperature.

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<v Speaker 1>Day? That's a good Probably. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to venture to know. You do you

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<v Speaker 2>do a lot of shows with Rocky and you do

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<v Speaker 2>some with Eddie. I do Do they get into the

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<v Speaker 2>sports book, into the sports betting?

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<v Speaker 1>Do they they? I mean, I don't want you to

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<v Speaker 1>talk out of school or anything. No, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>They always have the weekly segment with Jason hoffin which

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<v Speaker 2>you and I should do since it's a big football time,

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<v Speaker 2>we should do that. Maybe sometime this week have him

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<v Speaker 2>have him on to uh give us his picks. So

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<v Speaker 2>they always do that every Thursday. Well, I am enjoying

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<v Speaker 2>the famous Idaho Potato Bowl. That is on the monitor.

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<v Speaker 2>It's on behind me. Yes, it's halftime you're not missing

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<v Speaker 2>Utah State. You'd Washington State in Utah State.

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<v Speaker 1>There we go.

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<v Speaker 2>You know who went to Utah State? Yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 2>it just it just it to me. See is this

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<v Speaker 2>a political pro No, No, it's it's it's somebody we

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<v Speaker 2>know in his name just walked right out of my head.

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<v Speaker 2>Also we know well, I mean someone that is that

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<v Speaker 2>is very well known in Cincinnati. Who's who's a great

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<v Speaker 2>analysis and a great sports sportscaster in his own right

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<v Speaker 2>Utah State.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm trying.

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<v Speaker 2>I can see I'm drawing a blank right now. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel so stupid for saying that. But the phone lines

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<v Speaker 2>are open five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you got me stumped. Man under the baby. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it'll come to me. Maybe a caller will call in.

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<v Speaker 1>Let us know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that he probably knows he's holding out.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just good. Let us let us sit here and

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<v Speaker 2>guess I know what Beth is on the line. Beth,

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<v Speaker 2>how you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Hi? I'm doing great, Bene Barlington.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, they talking to you, fellas. I love listening to

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<v Speaker 8>whoever occupies this hour or two hours, whoever it may be,

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<v Speaker 8>whether it's whoever it may be, however called that. Forgive

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<v Speaker 8>me because I just I just tuned in and I

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<v Speaker 8>don't even know. I'm I'm not quite sure who's on today.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Dan Carroll, give me, he's Jason william.

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<v Speaker 8>Dan Carroll, I grew up in the neighborhood of yours

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<v Speaker 8>years ago. Did I swam at the same swim club

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<v Speaker 8>as you?

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<v Speaker 1>How about that well swim club? Back?

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<v Speaker 8>Of course?

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<v Speaker 5>Some?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, of course. So the reason is, who's on with you?

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<v Speaker 1>Rocky?

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<v Speaker 2>No, this is the Rocky and Eddie Show. It's it's

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Carroll and Jason Williams sitting in for us.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, Hi, Jason h James Williams, and I love listening

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<v Speaker 8>to you as well. So let me just mention.

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<v Speaker 9>We go way back, you know, Doctor Anderson, Redskins, the

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<v Speaker 9>Redskins Baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Once a redskin, always a redskin. Were I went to mcnick. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right, I knew you. I'm Rocket, I'm Rocket.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know why I thought you went to Anderson,

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<v Speaker 8>But did you swim at Anderson High School?

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<v Speaker 1>Solomon Wilcotts, That's who I was thinking of. Sally.

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<v Speaker 2>Sally went to Solomon wilcott is a great guy. I apologize.

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<v Speaker 8>I love talking.

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking, I was thinking to him when I

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<v Speaker 2>was thinking Utah state, I know Sally went there. Then

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as I was going to say it on

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<v Speaker 2>the air, as it just walked right out of my head.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's okay, we're just cutting off here. Just you

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<v Speaker 1>got the no, No, you're not, you're not.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm enjoying every every second of it. The reason I

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<v Speaker 8>called is because my sister and I we don't gamble much.

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<v Speaker 8>We put some money in for the lottery every time

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<v Speaker 8>it gets a little bit big. And she had picked

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<v Speaker 8>up a couple of numbers and I picked up a

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<v Speaker 8>couple numbers, and we both I said to her, I said,

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<v Speaker 8>I said, I bet you that we won't win any

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<v Speaker 8>money in this. However, I bet you five dollars that

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<v Speaker 8>the winner will come out of California. And that's just

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<v Speaker 8>straight up, and we laughed so hard about it because

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<v Speaker 8>it just seems definitely it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like they always come out of a state

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<v Speaker 2>that I haven't been to anytime recently, so I know I.

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<v Speaker 8>Didn't come out of my neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 2>One point six billion dollars. When's the drawing for the

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<v Speaker 2>power ball drawing?

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<v Speaker 8>It's consecutive.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yes, I'm looking at it right here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's today seven hours, twelve minutes, forty seconds until the.

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<v Speaker 1>Next power ball draw. That's the time you have to

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<v Speaker 1>get your yet, let's go one point six.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm talking to you, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey back, thank you? All right? There you going to

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<v Speaker 1>be even She seems like saying she's my neighbor someone

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<v Speaker 1>someone I grew up with. Swim club.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called it's called the Forest Hill Swim Club, right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right. But but back in the day it was

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<v Speaker 2>summit we have. I'm in the Wyoming Swim Club.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't sound as it doesn't sound as racous as the

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<v Speaker 2>Forest Hills. We have a good time, man, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>we have we have a good time too. Like it

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like a wild party there.

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<v Speaker 6>Like.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, up until a couple of seasons ago, we used

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<v Speaker 2>to have a high board too. Oh insurance and all

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<v Speaker 2>that they took our had. Is there any high boards

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<v Speaker 2>around anything?

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<v Speaker 1>There?

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<v Speaker 2>There are the outside of probably are there, Okay, but

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<v Speaker 2>in Ohio anymore? I don't know, man, where I grew up.

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<v Speaker 2>My grandparents lived in this little town called Middleports in

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<v Speaker 2>Meg's County up in southeast Ohio, and they had the

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<v Speaker 2>absolute best pool ever Middleport pool. It was it was

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<v Speaker 2>the world's at the time whatever largest above ground pool.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was above ground, but it was a massive

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<v Speaker 2>It was this massive concrete just mass. And they had

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<v Speaker 2>the highest high board that it was. How about that?

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<v Speaker 1>It was phenomenal. It was a cool place, the.

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<v Speaker 2>World's highest above ground pool. Yeah, the world's biggest middleport pool.

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<v Speaker 2>Well man, how about that? And we always rode my

0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:04.720
<v Speaker 2>cousins and I rode our bikes there, and that that

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<v Speaker 2>high board was intimid.

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<v Speaker 1>One point six billion though for the for the powerball

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<v Speaker 1>jack you going? Do you ever?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you ever play the lottery when it's My wife

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<v Speaker 2>always says, and she might be listening right now, and

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<v Speaker 2>I know she's got a couple of stops to make

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<v Speaker 2>before she goes home. She gotta get your Christmas She's

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<v Speaker 2>all get a powerball ticket. She gets them, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we pray, we pray over Oh I get oh man,

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta get your son or daughter gets a video

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<v Speaker 2>of that YouTube praying over the lottery ticket.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't hurt hey. If the almighty wants to wants

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<v Speaker 1>to look dot them with favor upon me, Oh I

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<v Speaker 1>love to send me that one point six billion.

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<v Speaker 2>I will, I will accept it and the spirit. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's all that's awesome. I mean, really, what do you

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<v Speaker 2>do with that kind of money? One point it says

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<v Speaker 2>the cash value is seven hundred and thirty five seven

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and thirty five point three million. I'll pay off

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<v Speaker 2>your bills and give give a big chunk away. At

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<v Speaker 2>that point, though, don't you take it? If they pay

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<v Speaker 2>it out over what it is, twenty twenty thirty years,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is, I think you take the check, don't

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<v Speaker 2>don't you take it because because then, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>know I'm never going to run on the money for

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're this point, you're this point in the game.

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<v Speaker 2>You're saying take the payment. They're saying take the one

0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:26.240
<v Speaker 2>time payment. No, I'm saying, take the annual payments. Yeah,

0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:28.359
<v Speaker 2>because that's still a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll just in then throw it in the bank and

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<v Speaker 1>draw interest on it. Though.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but yeah, but then you know, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm probably not going to live to be over one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred years old. But see, then why would you want

0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:40.040
<v Speaker 2>to take then the well, I don't know, I take

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<v Speaker 2>it all now, I don't know. I'd have to if

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<v Speaker 2>I if I won, I would sit down and seriously

0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:47.080
<v Speaker 2>you pray about it. Look at all the pros and cons.

0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:49.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, have me get some advice stuff like that.

0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:52.399
<v Speaker 2>If if yeah, it's a good idea.

0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I always like to write those out. And there's a

0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:58.080
<v Speaker 2>big decision. Makes your pros list and the cons list,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, right, write a nice check Austin no more

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<v Speaker 2>because he deserves it. Would you donate? Would you just

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<v Speaker 2>out of the goodness of your heart, donate money to

0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:06.200
<v Speaker 2>I hurt?

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<v Speaker 1>No, not, come on if I hurt one. It's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny you mentioned that because I was listening today.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have a heart for and and and Brian

0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Combs did a story about the Cincinnati Cyclones may may

0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 2>wind up going on strike and he, uh, the what

0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:32.480
<v Speaker 2>is it EHL coast? He said, the average e HL

0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:36.679
<v Speaker 2>player makes about twenty grand a season. That sounds about right.

0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:40.159
<v Speaker 2>That's not much. No, but that's that's not much. And

0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:42.680
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking about that. I was thinking about that,

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<v Speaker 2>and and I was this day, and this goes back

0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:47.960
<v Speaker 2>several years. I was at at a golf event. Yeah,

0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:50.480
<v Speaker 2>and we were playing with a number of players from

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<v Speaker 2>the Cyclones and the one guy I was playing with,

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<v Speaker 2>actually there's two Cyclones in our group, and I made

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<v Speaker 2>a bet with this dude. I was on a par

0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 2>three closest to the pin for ten bucks. Okay, So

0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:05.119
<v Speaker 2>I beat him on the I got him closest to

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<v Speaker 2>the pin. Then where we play a few more holes

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:09.840
<v Speaker 2>and he says, you want to go double or nothing

0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:13.040
<v Speaker 2>on that on that closest to the pin. I said, well,

0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 2>you still haven't paid me for the first one yet.

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:17.680
<v Speaker 2>He said, we'll go double or nothing. I said, okay,

0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:20.760
<v Speaker 2>and I beat him on that one too, and he

0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:23.920
<v Speaker 2>never paid me. At that point, he owed me twenty

0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:26.200
<v Speaker 2>bucks and he never paid me.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I know, why.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you ever go to a Cyclones games? Yeah, a

0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:35.600
<v Speaker 2>lot of Cyclones games are great. But coming up in

0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:37.920
<v Speaker 2>the top of the hour, Steve Good is going to

0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:40.840
<v Speaker 2>be here. Big story we were talking about over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, the Epstein Finals came out. Yeah, so we're

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:45.920
<v Speaker 2>going to get his take on that. And then have

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<v Speaker 2>you seen some of the photos that accompanied Epstein Finals?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I saw a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw the picture of Bill Clinton in a hot tub,

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:54.760
<v Speaker 2>a lot of Bill Clinton relaxing in a hot tub.

0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:58.040
<v Speaker 2>I saw him working on his breastroke in the in

0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:01.320
<v Speaker 2>the swimming pool, wasn't there was where he was dressed

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<v Speaker 2>in some kind of Oh I think we've all seen

0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:04.040
<v Speaker 2>that one before though.

0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:07.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh was that okay? The famous blue dress? And is

0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:09.639
<v Speaker 1>that what it was? Yeah, it's in there's looks like

0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:12.159
<v Speaker 1>some traditional gears. I don't know he's it.

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<v Speaker 11>So one.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking, have you seen the some of the AI

0:28:16.640 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 2>videos of Bill Clinton? Have you seen some of those?

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<v Speaker 11>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we can't. We can't share those on the air,

0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:26.119
<v Speaker 2>but I have those are those are goals? All right, Austin.

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<v Speaker 2>We got to get to a little traffic and weather

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<v Speaker 2>together here.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't we. There we go on seven hundred WW.

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<v Speaker 6>four before col Rain, it's an accident blocking the right lane.

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<v Speaker 6>Traffic slow back from seventy five southbound seventy one seventy five.

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<v Speaker 6>It's an accident on the off ramp to southbound seventy

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<v Speaker 6>one at the split in Walton. Now only the right

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<v Speaker 6>older blocked off, so traffic can use that ramp northbound

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<v Speaker 6>seventy five. It's an accident on the right shoulder after

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<v Speaker 6>Union Center Boulevard, and one more crash on ken Wood

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<v Speaker 6>at Coogler Mill Road. I'm at Eazelek on news radio

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<v Speaker 6>seven hundred WLUB.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the ninth first one forecast. Some light sprinkles, showers

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<v Speaker 2>maybe moving through the tri State tonight, nothing all that heavy.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to have an overnight low fifties. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>forty three, not fifty six. Tomorrow's highest fifty six under

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<v Speaker 2>mostly cloudy skies. Tomorrow night cloudy, cool, the overnight low forty,

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<v Speaker 2>and then Christmas Eve we're looking at a high under

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<v Speaker 2>cloudy skies of fifty six and maybe even in the sixties.

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<v Speaker 2>For Christmas Day it is forty four at seven hundred WLW.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, mister Pennay, I'm going to show you some

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<v Speaker 2>images and you tell me what do you see?

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<v Speaker 3>Looks like a butterfly? Listening to Scott's Loan Show and

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<v Speaker 3>this one I see a rocket ship.

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<v Speaker 1>A rocket ship.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, last enough for the planet's loan.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see and this one.

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<v Speaker 3>That looks like a fish swimming in a mountain pond.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but the fish is angry because he's not listening

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<v Speaker 3>to Scott Sloan.

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Sloan, please listen responsibly. Join me, Scott Sloan. Tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Carol, Jason Williams sitting in Freddy and Rocky and

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:54.560
<v Speaker 1>a couple of big stories that are breaking right now.

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<v Speaker 2>One is the release of the Epstein files. The other

0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:05.400
<v Speaker 2>is the Hamilton County Corner. Doctor Laximi Schmarco put out

0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 2>a statement today indicating that the woman who was killed

0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety four and had the case well, the

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:21.080
<v Speaker 2>man who was found guilty of killing the woman in

0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety four, Elwood Jones Connie Pillach dismissed the case

0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 2>in the murder of Rhoda Nathan happened at a Blue

0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:37.240
<v Speaker 2>Ash hotel and just unbelievable. And then it looks like

0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:40.720
<v Speaker 2>it looks like, based on what the corner is saying,

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:45.520
<v Speaker 2>that the prosecutor made a pretty big mistake. It certainly

0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:48.160
<v Speaker 2>looks that way. But in any case, to break down

0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:50.520
<v Speaker 2>both of these cases is our good buddy Steve Gooden

0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:55.120
<v Speaker 2>and Steve Gooden, thanks for being here in Happy holidays

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 2>and Merry Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>To you, sir, Hey right back at you, Dan, thanks

0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:00.760
<v Speaker 1>for having me, Thanks for being here.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about the Epstein files first, and you know,

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:07.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, we've got a lot a lot of photos here.

0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 2>Bill Clinton turns up in a lot of these photos.

0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:13.720
<v Speaker 2>Some of these are are fairly salacious.

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:14.400
<v Speaker 1>I guess.

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how much of the Epstein files you

0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:23.760
<v Speaker 2>have seen, but what you've seen so far, it looks like, Okay,

0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 2>they're out there, so.

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<v Speaker 1>What well, it's terrible. I'll tell you what.

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:35.520
<v Speaker 12>This release, if anything, is just going to further all

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:38.200
<v Speaker 12>the conspiracy theories and just keep this alive.

0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:40.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think this is going to be. Like

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:43.960
<v Speaker 1>I've said before, this is kind of like the Kennedy assassination.

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<v Speaker 12>It will always be a question mark because there are

0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 12>so many powerful people ex presidents, heads of giant corporations

0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:54.320
<v Speaker 12>that are teammate people who were on and off that island.

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:57.880
<v Speaker 12>And the more we see of the files, the worse

0:32:57.960 --> 0:33:00.480
<v Speaker 12>it gets. So right now you can ext go on

0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:04.440
<v Speaker 12>Justice dot gov and search this latest release. So if

0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:07.480
<v Speaker 12>you remember the most of the judges who oversaw the

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:11.120
<v Speaker 12>grand jury investigations twenty thirty years ago when when the

0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 12>first child sex trafficking stuff came to life, those they

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:18.520
<v Speaker 12>have unsealed the grand jury information and now Congress has

0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:21.080
<v Speaker 12>mandated that the rest of the files be released. They

0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 12>are being released in big chunks. There's some controversy there

0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:27.640
<v Speaker 12>as one of Trump's personal lawyers is now working at

0:33:27.680 --> 0:33:30.720
<v Speaker 12>the Justice Department and is in charge of redacting some

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:34.800
<v Speaker 12>of the information. There's obviously young young people and the

0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:39.120
<v Speaker 12>victims unfortunately keep getting younger as we see from these photographs.

0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:42.240
<v Speaker 12>You know, whose identities have to be redacted and removed.

0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:44.480
<v Speaker 12>So of course there will always be people claiming that

0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 12>because a former Trump lawyer is involved, that somehow who's

0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:50.640
<v Speaker 12>getting favorable treatment. We don't know that to be the case,

0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 12>but that will always be I think something out there

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:57.280
<v Speaker 12>that is lingering. But you know, what we're seeing is,

0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:03.080
<v Speaker 12>for the first time Epstein really involved in straight up

0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:06.640
<v Speaker 12>child pornography with much younger children than what we had

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:10.160
<v Speaker 12>seen before. I mean, I mean, what we saw before

0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:13.000
<v Speaker 12>was a guy who seemed to be chasing after girls

0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:17.040
<v Speaker 12>in their teens, which is disgusting and wrong, but it was.

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:20.520
<v Speaker 12>But now we're seeing like child pornography allegations and photos

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:25.360
<v Speaker 12>of him with children well under ten that it's just absolutely,

0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:28.720
<v Speaker 12>you know, vile. And then the question, of course becomes

0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:31.480
<v Speaker 12>which of these people, the Bill Clintons, the Bill Gates,

0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 12>the Donald Trumps, who knew what win when they were

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 12>on this island. And of course it's a totally private island.

0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:41.960
<v Speaker 12>It's in the Virgin Islands, but the entirety of the

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:44.759
<v Speaker 12>island was a private resident so you know it really

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:47.560
<v Speaker 12>it would have been very difficult for law enforcement to

0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:52.239
<v Speaker 12>get on there without a warrant even then, So you know,

0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:54.000
<v Speaker 12>it's going to be one of those things where we'll

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:56.120
<v Speaker 12>probably never know totally what happened.

0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:58.640
<v Speaker 1>But the more we learn, the worse it looks.

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<v Speaker 2>Can uh you bring up an interesting point here, knowing

0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:08.440
<v Speaker 2>that this is not this island is not an American island,

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:12.320
<v Speaker 2>and then you throw on top of that the release

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:15.880
<v Speaker 2>we're seeing more and more younger children. Can the families

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:19.960
<v Speaker 2>of those children or those children themselves now who probably

0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:21.719
<v Speaker 2>some of them are we grown up now?

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<v Speaker 8>Right?

0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:25.360
<v Speaker 2>Do they have any legal recourse and all this or

0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 2>do these do the release of these of these files

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:35.200
<v Speaker 2>allow them to now turn around and sue someone or

0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:39.440
<v Speaker 2>have any kind of uh legal uh legal standing on anything?

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<v Speaker 12>Well, they would if there was anything left to get.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean, it's gonna be kind of hard. I mean,

0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 12>that's why they went after this galas Maxwell lady. I

0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 12>mean she's I mean, obviously Epstein is dead, uh, you know,

0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:54.560
<v Speaker 12>committed suicide in prison. There will always be people, I

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:57.759
<v Speaker 12>think thinking that he uh was murdered. I mean, we

0:35:57.760 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 12>don't know what the what the truth is. But that's

0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 12>another part of this that's always going to be a

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:05.920
<v Speaker 12>question mark and lend itself to conspiracy theories, but no, absolutely,

0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 12>a lot of those young folks who are now adults,

0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 12>almost all of them, I think would have to be

0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 12>adults by now, would have some grounds to sue. Most

0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:17.960
<v Speaker 12>states now, and in the federal system there really is

0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:21.040
<v Speaker 12>no statute of limitations on child sex abuse, so they

0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:23.920
<v Speaker 12>could still sue, but it's just unclear what assets are

0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:26.279
<v Speaker 12>still there after the fans got done with him and

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:30.320
<v Speaker 12>with Maxwell. You know, really where his estate is, you know,

0:36:31.080 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 12>it's not really you know clear what's there and what

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:36.040
<v Speaker 12>hasn't already been seized and taken. So yes, they've got

0:36:36.080 --> 0:36:37.880
<v Speaker 12>a right to sue, but where they would go with it,

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:40.200
<v Speaker 12>I don't know the bringing criminal charges they can and

0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:43.640
<v Speaker 12>died a dead man. But one of the things that's

0:36:43.680 --> 0:36:46.600
<v Speaker 12>so heartbreaking about is you do have in this new

0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:50.480
<v Speaker 12>tranch of documents, you have a complaint made back I

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:53.800
<v Speaker 12>think all the way back in nineteen ninety eight I

0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:56.840
<v Speaker 12>believe it was, or not even ninety six. I can't recall.

0:36:57.320 --> 0:37:00.240
<v Speaker 12>We're one of his former employees. One of Epstein's former

0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:04.080
<v Speaker 12>employees said, look, there's child pornography here, and the way

0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:07.239
<v Speaker 12>he's looking and acting around my daughter is scaring me.

0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 12>I'm not working here anymore. Someone please look into this.

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:13.000
<v Speaker 12>It was a letter she wrote to the FBI, and

0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:15.960
<v Speaker 12>it looks as though there was absolutely no action taken.

0:37:16.760 --> 0:37:19.560
<v Speaker 12>So you know, it's you know, for these we don't

0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:21.400
<v Speaker 12>know how many victims there were. I mean, we know

0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:25.080
<v Speaker 12>what he ultimately, you know, plug guilty to is probably

0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:27.560
<v Speaker 12>the tip of the iceberg. You know, he's sitting there

0:37:27.600 --> 0:37:30.560
<v Speaker 12>in a US territory, but on a private island with

0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:33.919
<v Speaker 12>no real law enforcement, flogged back and forth and really

0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:37.200
<v Speaker 12>able to do whatever he wanted to do. And of course,

0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:40.759
<v Speaker 12>for me, the tantalyzing you questions will always be was

0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:43.919
<v Speaker 12>he somehow or another blackmailing these wealthy and powerful people

0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:45.920
<v Speaker 12>who are on and off the island, who either had

0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:50.600
<v Speaker 12>knowledge or were somehow implicated. We'll probably never know that truth,

0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:54.200
<v Speaker 12>but that's always what Epstein's going to stand for in

0:37:54.280 --> 0:37:56.400
<v Speaker 12>people's mind. It's going to be kind of shorthand for

0:37:57.160 --> 0:37:59.839
<v Speaker 12>you know, very powerful people potentially being black.

0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I think you might have just answered

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:02.840
<v Speaker 1>this question.

0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:05.600
<v Speaker 2>But it's as far as I'm concerned, and I think

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:07.879
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people in this case, I don't care

0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 2>about the pictures. I don't care about the you know,

0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:13.040
<v Speaker 2>the files and all that stuff. All all I care

0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:17.040
<v Speaker 2>all I care about is if there were individuals who

0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:21.680
<v Speaker 2>engaged in this contact with this this uh with who

0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:24.839
<v Speaker 2>engage with young kids, in this activity with young kids,

0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:27.239
<v Speaker 2>then they need to be held accountable.

0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Brought to justice, brought to justice.

0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:32.319
<v Speaker 2>And Ton absolutely, does this get us any further down

0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:33.360
<v Speaker 2>that road in your opinion?

0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, it could.

0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:38.040
<v Speaker 12>I mean, it could potentially open something up there. And

0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:39.840
<v Speaker 12>I'll just tell you though, I mean, I was on

0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 12>back when I was a prosecutor here in Hamilton County.

0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:44.960
<v Speaker 12>I was actually on the child pornography task Force, and

0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:47.239
<v Speaker 12>I learned firstand those cases can.

0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:48.239
<v Speaker 1>Be very hard to bring.

0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 12>It's hard to get cooperating witnesses, it's hard to get

0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:55.800
<v Speaker 12>people who have really strong memories of what happened as children.

0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:59.640
<v Speaker 12>Even child pornography can be difficult to uh, you know,

0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:02.400
<v Speaker 12>to prosecute, particularly in the federal law, because it actually

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:05.240
<v Speaker 12>has to show not just children in a state of undress,

0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:08.160
<v Speaker 12>it has to show children engaged in some sort of

0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:11.000
<v Speaker 12>sexual contact. So there's a big spectrum of stuff that

0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:13.640
<v Speaker 12>can be pretty terrible and perverted, but almost really hard

0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:16.960
<v Speaker 12>to prosecute. So it's still tough you've still got to

0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:19.640
<v Speaker 12>have people who come forward as live witnesses, who have

0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 12>specific recollections. That's one of the reasons these people are

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:27.040
<v Speaker 12>so vile who prey on children, because they know that

0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:29.120
<v Speaker 12>a lot of people don't believe them, or they lack

0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 12>the vocabulary to really articulate what happened to them. Some

0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 12>of them don't even totally understand what's happening because they

0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:40.719
<v Speaker 12>have no context for it. So it's you know, prosecuting

0:39:41.120 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 12>these people can be very, very, very difficult, particularly when

0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:46.120
<v Speaker 12>the time has passed, so.

0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:48.759
<v Speaker 1>You know, it doesn't help.

0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 12>Perhaps it does, but it's it's still going to require

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:56.279
<v Speaker 12>live witnesses to come forward. And again, you know, he's dead,

0:39:56.680 --> 0:40:00.160
<v Speaker 12>so the odds of anyone being him being prosecuted is

0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:03.120
<v Speaker 12>really tough. And everyone else is very lawyered up and

0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:05.399
<v Speaker 12>very distant. There are people, you know, like the folks

0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:08.160
<v Speaker 12>like Alan Dershowitz and Bill Clinton, the people that we

0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:10.920
<v Speaker 12>now see are there over and over in these photographs,

0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:15.160
<v Speaker 12>clearly much more friendly with Epstein than they ever let on.

0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:17.520
<v Speaker 12>Everyone has put a lot of distance between them over

0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:20.120
<v Speaker 12>the years. I mean, there's the photo that's circulating with

0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:22.799
<v Speaker 12>the Clinton in the pool with Maxwell, and then they

0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:25.200
<v Speaker 12>all look like they know each other pretty pretty well.

0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:32.400
<v Speaker 1>So I was surprised to see Well and Michael Jackson.

0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:36.080
<v Speaker 2>Michael unbelievable. So, Steve Good, let me ask you a

0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:38.440
<v Speaker 2>shift shifting gears here to to the local story. Now,

0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:41.920
<v Speaker 2>as a former prosecutor, can you speak to the honesty

0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:45.319
<v Speaker 2>and integrity with which Joe Dieters ran that office when

0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:46.520
<v Speaker 2>he was in charge of that office?

0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:50.239
<v Speaker 11>Oh my god, Well that's a that's a you can

0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:54.960
<v Speaker 11>on it, but I'll do it. Look, I'll just be

0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:57.000
<v Speaker 11>I'll just cut right to the chase. Look, I was

0:40:57.080 --> 0:40:59.399
<v Speaker 11>privileged to work there early in my career for five years.

0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:00.640
<v Speaker 11>Was in the fellow me the vision for.

0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:01.399
<v Speaker 1>A lot of that time.

0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:04.640
<v Speaker 12>I'm telling you everybody that worked there when I was there,

0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:08.440
<v Speaker 12>you know, the the idea that someone would frame someone

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:12.760
<v Speaker 12>or let someone go to prisident based upon a sloppy investigation.

0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:13.520
<v Speaker 1>Is just absurd.

0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:17.000
<v Speaker 12>Everybody there was working over time to make sure and

0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:19.279
<v Speaker 12>bending over backwards to make sure that they were fair.

0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:21.480
<v Speaker 12>In fact, I remember when I was helping run the

0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:24.799
<v Speaker 12>grand jury briefly how angry police officers were at us

0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:27.439
<v Speaker 12>sometimes because we wouldn't indict people because we were giving

0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:30.160
<v Speaker 12>people the benefit of the doubt, you know, even then.

0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:35.360
<v Speaker 12>So it was extraordinarily frustrating for me to hear about

0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:38.120
<v Speaker 12>this new prosecutor basically kind of throwing the you know,

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:40.719
<v Speaker 12>the old team under the bus. It's just not the

0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:43.440
<v Speaker 12>way it's supposed to be. And I and look, I

0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:45.960
<v Speaker 12>know Mark Pete Meyer personally. He was one of Joe's

0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:50.240
<v Speaker 12>main assistants. Who was you know, who was actually involved

0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:54.240
<v Speaker 12>in the Elwood Jones prosecution. And he's just somebody who

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:57.719
<v Speaker 12>a lot of us younger lawyers considered a mentor, a

0:41:57.840 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 12>person who absolutely you know, a working class background. He

0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:05.200
<v Speaker 12>wasn't this elite kind of person that they make him

0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:07.800
<v Speaker 12>sound here in some of this press coverage. The idea

0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:10.080
<v Speaker 12>that he would you know, a person with a real conscience.

0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 12>The idea that he would preside over something where someone

0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:14.799
<v Speaker 12>would go and sit on death row with without any

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:17.719
<v Speaker 12>kind of evidence or you know, hide evidence and so

0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:20.560
<v Speaker 12>forth as being accused here is just absurd. And I

0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:23.320
<v Speaker 12>think what came out today really underlines that these folks

0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:27.120
<v Speaker 12>had a great case against Elwood Jones. My personal opinion

0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:30.480
<v Speaker 12>is that he killed that woman and was being was

0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:33.800
<v Speaker 12>correctly brought to justice. There were no other viable suspects

0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:37.239
<v Speaker 12>that I ever heard about, and just trying to hang

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:40.640
<v Speaker 12>everything on this forensic evidence that now turned out to

0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:43.960
<v Speaker 12>be not what we thought in regards to the hepatitis diagnosis,

0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:47.319
<v Speaker 12>I mean, and the whole thing's certain. I mean, look

0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:49.600
<v Speaker 12>as I understand that. I mean, well, first, back in

0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:53.040
<v Speaker 12>nineteen ninety four, there were almost no DNA testing, you know,

0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:56.160
<v Speaker 12>was being done in cases because the technology existed, but

0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:59.320
<v Speaker 12>it was prohibitively expensive back then. So the idea that

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:02.360
<v Speaker 12>there was no is not some scandal, but there was

0:43:02.560 --> 0:43:05.759
<v Speaker 12>never any DNA in cases that far back. So you

0:43:05.920 --> 0:43:07.480
<v Speaker 12>had to look at things like, well, he had a

0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:10.799
<v Speaker 12>defensive bite wound, he had the woman's necklace in his toolbox,

0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:13.200
<v Speaker 12>he had a key and kind of access to room.

0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:16.120
<v Speaker 12>You know, those are the sorts of things that you

0:43:16.200 --> 0:43:19.040
<v Speaker 12>looked at and that the jury, by the way, found compelling,

0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:22.480
<v Speaker 12>not just the prosecutor. Twelve people sat and heard this

0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:26.840
<v Speaker 12>trial and they were convinced beyond a reasonable doubt. So

0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:30.000
<v Speaker 12>you know, I think this is just a sad thing,

0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:32.160
<v Speaker 12>and I think this is a case where the prosecutor

0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:34.480
<v Speaker 12>and some of the other folks involved, they're putting this

0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:38.720
<v Speaker 12>kind of ideology over the facts, you know, the ideas

0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:40.880
<v Speaker 12>that you know, it's a corrupt, dirty system, you know,

0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:42.319
<v Speaker 12>but that's not the case.

0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:44.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, I mean you kind of touched on what

0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:47.440
<v Speaker 2>on my question there than Steve was like, you know,

0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:51.759
<v Speaker 2>I get it. This is a Democrat prosecutor. Now Joe

0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:56.600
<v Speaker 2>Dieter's Republican Republican you know, control the prosecutor's officer years.

0:43:57.719 --> 0:44:00.160
<v Speaker 1>None of that really should matter whatever, So.

0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:03.399
<v Speaker 2>Why why does why did Pilich take the extraordinary step

0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:08.360
<v Speaker 2>of then making this claim against against Deaders and his

0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:12.040
<v Speaker 2>team when like that, it seems like that was completely

0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:15.160
<v Speaker 2>unnecessary to even say that, Like you could say, hey,

0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:19.520
<v Speaker 2>from what my my research and what my team has

0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:22.360
<v Speaker 2>looked at this case, and we decided that there was

0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 2>not enough evidence there to convict this person. Done, end

0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:29.560
<v Speaker 2>of story, and here's the decision or whatever. Why take

0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:34.640
<v Speaker 2>that extraordinary step then to then just absolutely throw Joe

0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Deeters and his his folks under the bus when you know,

0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:44.480
<v Speaker 2>is there some kind of political under underneath underneath all

0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:46.880
<v Speaker 2>this play for her or what?

0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:50.799
<v Speaker 12>Well, you know, I don't know what's in her heart

0:44:50.840 --> 0:44:53.080
<v Speaker 12>and mind on this. I mean, obviously I don't really

0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:56.520
<v Speaker 12>know her very well or hardly at all. Really, yeh,

0:44:56.560 --> 0:44:59.880
<v Speaker 12>can art you just say? It sure looks that way though,

0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:02.440
<v Speaker 12>I'll tell you, you know, it's so funny. I mean, yes,

0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:04.960
<v Speaker 12>when I worked there when Joe was prosecutor, obviously he's

0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:07.600
<v Speaker 12>a Republican and he ran for office, but we really

0:45:07.680 --> 0:45:10.400
<v Speaker 12>didn't think of ourselves as political actors. I mean we

0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:12.800
<v Speaker 12>really didn't. I mean, he had people working there of

0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:17.120
<v Speaker 12>all political stripes. There were Democrats there, there were independents there,

0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:19.959
<v Speaker 12>there are people all across the spectrum, and we really

0:45:20.080 --> 0:45:20.800
<v Speaker 12>didn't think.

0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:21.319
<v Speaker 1>Of it that way.

0:45:21.400 --> 0:45:24.160
<v Speaker 12>I mean, we thought we really were concerned. You know,

0:45:24.520 --> 0:45:27.400
<v Speaker 12>we're human beings, well as prosecutors are human beings.

0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 11>You know.

0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:30.920
<v Speaker 12>It wasn't just all about getting the conviction. It was

0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:32.719
<v Speaker 12>about trying to do the right thing. There were times

0:45:32.760 --> 0:45:34.800
<v Speaker 12>when we would reduce cases because we thought it was

0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:37.319
<v Speaker 12>the right thing to do. I personally was someone who

0:45:37.400 --> 0:45:40.279
<v Speaker 12>had great sympathy for people who were drug addicted. In

0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:42.520
<v Speaker 12>the cases I handled, A had zero sympathy for the

0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:45.360
<v Speaker 12>drug dealers, but for the people who were addicted, we

0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:47.759
<v Speaker 12>would often bend over backwards to try to make sure

0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:49.719
<v Speaker 12>that they had a treatment option or something. So this

0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:52.680
<v Speaker 12>idea that it was just this assembly line of sending

0:45:52.760 --> 0:45:54.880
<v Speaker 12>poor people to jail just for the sake of doing it.

0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 12>I mean, that's wrong, and I think that's what's informing

0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:01.640
<v Speaker 12>some of these public comments. And I think she's set

0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:04.640
<v Speaker 12>the city up or the county rather for an enormous lawsuit,

0:46:04.640 --> 0:46:07.799
<v Speaker 12>because she's just saying, as you noted, she's just saying, look,

0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:10.880
<v Speaker 12>there were some evidence we didn't know about her evidence

0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:13.680
<v Speaker 12>we wish we had. She actually said, I don't I'm

0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:16.239
<v Speaker 12>not convinced he did it, and I don't think she's

0:46:16.280 --> 0:46:17.960
<v Speaker 12>reading those files the same way I am.

0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:18.440
<v Speaker 1>And so.

0:46:20.120 --> 0:46:22.880
<v Speaker 12>We'll see what happens. But the probably more litigation of

0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:24.400
<v Speaker 12>the taxpayer's writing more texts.

0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:26.719
<v Speaker 1>All right, Steve Good, we got we got a run,

0:46:26.800 --> 0:46:29.040
<v Speaker 1>but thank you for the time. I appreciate it.

0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:31.799
<v Speaker 2>Merry Christmas to you and yours, and all the best

0:46:31.840 --> 0:46:33.680
<v Speaker 2>for a great new year, and we will be talking

0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:37.840
<v Speaker 2>again before too long. Hey, Mary, Christmas, guys, Christmas right,

0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:39.719
<v Speaker 2>you and the family, see Steve Good, and thank you

0:46:39.880 --> 0:46:42.680
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<v Speaker 1>open the phone lines.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we have any more guests for like

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<v Speaker 2>an hour from now, so we it's just me and

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<v Speaker 2>you see I'm down there.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm down the Epstein Epstein rabbit hole. Now we talked

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<v Speaker 1>to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you scrolling through some photos there? Photos? Stories? It's

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<v Speaker 2>just yeah, it's yeah. The one, the one that shocked

0:48:43.080 --> 0:48:45.600
<v Speaker 2>me was Bill Clinton standing there with Michael Jackson. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you got Diana Ross here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I would not suggest that Diana Ross I

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<v Speaker 2>mean right, well, I mean but see the Diana Ross

0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:57.279
<v Speaker 2>pete because you're like, wait, what yeah? That that that

0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:00.560
<v Speaker 2>I think probably almost that's a shock. But see, but

0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:03.359
<v Speaker 2>see that I think almost tells the bigger picture here

0:49:03.440 --> 0:49:06.480
<v Speaker 2>of just how deep and far and why.

0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:09.319
<v Speaker 1>Does this thing go? If Diana Ross is in there,

0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:12.920
<v Speaker 1>who else is involved here? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I mean that this is a stratosphere, a

0:49:18.239 --> 0:49:21.800
<v Speaker 2>world that I will never inhabit. It's hard to compose

0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:25.160
<v Speaker 2>win the one point six billion, But even then you're

0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:29.200
<v Speaker 2>you're still not really But I just I just think

0:49:29.320 --> 0:49:33.160
<v Speaker 2>that their entire way of looking at life, living life

0:49:33.920 --> 0:49:38.320
<v Speaker 2>is different than than normal people. Well, and it's interesting

0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:40.600
<v Speaker 2>that we're talking about this because I was I was

0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:43.359
<v Speaker 2>on YouTube last night and you'd like to watch news

0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:44.680
<v Speaker 2>clips and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you go down the rabbit hole? Well? I got

0:49:47.120 --> 0:49:48.360
<v Speaker 1>down the I got down the U.

0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:52.840
<v Speaker 2>I got down the PBS front Line rabbit hole on

0:49:53.880 --> 0:49:57.200
<v Speaker 2>front Line is now when it comes to PBS not

0:49:57.520 --> 0:49:59.719
<v Speaker 2>not a huge huge fan, but I am a huge

0:49:59.760 --> 0:50:03.320
<v Speaker 2>fan of the frontline investigative work. And they did a

0:50:03.480 --> 0:50:05.200
<v Speaker 2>it's whatever you know, it was on a on a

0:50:05.280 --> 0:50:08.680
<v Speaker 2>stream or something. The guy's name that narrates those gosh,

0:50:08.719 --> 0:50:12.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean how about that? I mean, people would kill

0:50:12.840 --> 0:50:15.719
<v Speaker 2>for pipes like that. Well, just listen to his voice alone. Maybe,

0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:19.960
<v Speaker 2>But I ended up watching one on Made Off and

0:50:20.080 --> 0:50:25.839
<v Speaker 2>it's the concept of it is just the just being

0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:29.480
<v Speaker 2>that you thought you just you're you think you're untouchable

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<v Speaker 2>and that you can do You get in this world

0:50:31.840 --> 0:50:35.560
<v Speaker 2>of wealth and you've been able to do this forever

0:50:35.719 --> 0:50:38.799
<v Speaker 2>and ever and ever, and then you just think you're untouchable.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure that's the same elements of this that

0:50:42.800 --> 0:50:45.080
<v Speaker 2>was with money with him in a Ponzi scheme, and

0:50:45.239 --> 0:50:50.480
<v Speaker 2>here this was with sex and sex trafficking, and you

0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:52.719
<v Speaker 2>just you get into that world and you throw the

0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:55.239
<v Speaker 2>money piece in there, and that you're protected by all

0:50:55.400 --> 0:51:00.759
<v Speaker 2>these celebrities and powerful people in politics and business, and

0:51:02.040 --> 0:51:06.040
<v Speaker 2>it is, like you said, there again, it's hard. It's

0:51:06.040 --> 0:51:08.000
<v Speaker 2>a world that is hard to comprehend.

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<v Speaker 11>Uh.

0:51:09.400 --> 0:51:12.719
<v Speaker 1>Or maybe you think you can you can, you can

0:51:12.760 --> 0:51:16.160
<v Speaker 1>pay lawyers so much money that they'll they'll keep they'll

0:51:16.200 --> 0:51:20.520
<v Speaker 1>find ways to keep you from prison. Maybe, I mean,

0:51:20.520 --> 0:51:22.520
<v Speaker 1>I I have no idea, I have no idea what

0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:25.320
<v Speaker 1>what what these people think? But the other thing, and

0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:27.800
<v Speaker 1>I want to thank Steve Gooden? How happened to Steve Gooden?

0:51:27.920 --> 0:51:28.239
<v Speaker 1>Is uh?

0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:33.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean that that guy is I love listening when

0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:35.960
<v Speaker 2>he's on our show, when he's on other shows. I

0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:38.320
<v Speaker 2>never turned the radio off when he's on because and

0:51:38.440 --> 0:51:41.319
<v Speaker 2>what he said about Joe Dieters and the way Joe

0:51:41.400 --> 0:51:45.720
<v Speaker 2>Dieters ran his office and the fact that Joe Dieters

0:51:46.520 --> 0:51:51.600
<v Speaker 2>had to uh in a sense, take off his robe

0:51:52.280 --> 0:51:56.120
<v Speaker 2>from the Supreme Court bench to come down and defend

0:51:56.239 --> 0:52:02.239
<v Speaker 2>himself right against the current prosecutor Pillach because she sought

0:52:02.280 --> 0:52:06.759
<v Speaker 2>an extraordinary step or but you know what, good on him. Yeah,

0:52:07.200 --> 0:52:10.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, he believed, truly believed that. You know, this

0:52:10.640 --> 0:52:12.520
<v Speaker 2>was a time where he needed to speak to the

0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:15.560
<v Speaker 2>media because you know, Supreme Court justices rarely due, but

0:52:15.680 --> 0:52:17.960
<v Speaker 2>this was one of those times. And you know, Dan,

0:52:18.120 --> 0:52:21.040
<v Speaker 2>you you covered news and politics for many many years

0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:23.440
<v Speaker 2>in this town. I covered politics for several years for

0:52:23.520 --> 0:52:27.960
<v Speaker 2>the Inquiry. Never never, and I covered Joe Deeters. You

0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:33.240
<v Speaker 2>covered Joe Deeters. Never did I hear of anything along

0:52:33.360 --> 0:52:36.600
<v Speaker 2>these lines. And know people in this office and you

0:52:36.680 --> 0:52:39.200
<v Speaker 2>knew people in his office and you know people around

0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:43.560
<v Speaker 2>him and all the political folks like never did ever,

0:52:43.880 --> 0:52:46.680
<v Speaker 2>was there ever any inkling of a whiff of like

0:52:46.800 --> 0:52:50.360
<v Speaker 2>the Joe Deeters would do something like this? He be

0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:52.960
<v Speaker 2>and ag end I'm saying this from my own personal

0:52:53.320 --> 0:52:57.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, my own personal experience of reporting. And you know,

0:52:57.400 --> 0:52:59.319
<v Speaker 2>you you were talking about it as well. And it's

0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:02.520
<v Speaker 2>just like, and you know, I'm not sitting here like

0:53:04.719 --> 0:53:06.879
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm just I'm just again, I'm speaking from

0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:12.719
<v Speaker 2>my own experience of reporting, and I've never I've heard

0:53:12.760 --> 0:53:18.040
<v Speaker 2>people criticize Joe Eaters. Sure, I've never heard. I've never

0:53:18.160 --> 0:53:21.520
<v Speaker 2>heard anything like that. And you would think with the

0:53:21.560 --> 0:53:24.279
<v Speaker 2>amount of people that you between you and I, that

0:53:24.400 --> 0:53:26.600
<v Speaker 2>we've covered through the years, you would have caught some

0:53:26.840 --> 0:53:30.160
<v Speaker 2>kind of wind of something, Oh, you know, this case here,

0:53:30.280 --> 0:53:32.840
<v Speaker 2>in this case there, and never.

0:53:34.080 --> 0:53:35.759
<v Speaker 1>But Joe Dieters, he wrote.

0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:39.320
<v Speaker 2>He wrote a letter to Connie Pillach on December seventeenth,

0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:43.600
<v Speaker 2>after she announced that she was going to release him

0:53:43.600 --> 0:53:47.440
<v Speaker 2>from prison and dismiss with prejudice the case against him,

0:53:48.160 --> 0:53:50.600
<v Speaker 2>And here's part of what he wrote to her. He wrote,

0:53:51.200 --> 0:53:53.759
<v Speaker 2>had you chosen to release Jones after thirty years of

0:53:53.800 --> 0:53:58.120
<v Speaker 2>incarceration based on mercy or policy considerations, that would have

0:53:58.200 --> 0:54:02.360
<v Speaker 2>been your prerogative as an election that official. Reasonable people

0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:06.320
<v Speaker 2>could disagree, but it would have been within your authority.

0:54:07.040 --> 0:54:11.399
<v Speaker 2>What is unforgivable is attempting to justify that decision through

0:54:11.480 --> 0:54:16.640
<v Speaker 2>falsehoods and by maligning the reputations of dedicated public servants.

0:54:17.360 --> 0:54:20.200
<v Speaker 2>And that's that's what bothers him more than anything else,

0:54:20.760 --> 0:54:25.240
<v Speaker 2>is the suggestion that for political purpose or any other reason,

0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:30.279
<v Speaker 2>that he would cut corners short cut a case, Uh

0:54:31.880 --> 0:54:35.719
<v Speaker 2>sought to do an injustice by having an innocent man

0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:38.840
<v Speaker 2>go to prison for whatever reason. That's and that is

0:54:38.920 --> 0:54:42.359
<v Speaker 2>not something that Joe Dieters would ever Yeah, I think

0:54:42.440 --> 0:54:47.160
<v Speaker 2>ever consider he said it. Well, then we asked Steve

0:54:47.200 --> 0:54:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Goodin about it. He, I mean, Joe Dieters in his

0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:53.040
<v Speaker 2>letters said it said it like reasonable people can disagree,

0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:55.840
<v Speaker 2>and that what what and you know, hey, uh, this

0:54:56.080 --> 0:54:59.400
<v Speaker 2>prosecutor has reviewed the case and sees a hey that

0:54:59.560 --> 0:55:02.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't the the I don't see enough evidence here

0:55:02.360 --> 0:55:04.440
<v Speaker 2>or whatever to you know, this should be dropped. He

0:55:04.480 --> 0:55:09.560
<v Speaker 2>should be released from prison. Okay, but I don't understand.

0:55:09.640 --> 0:55:12.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't get that. And again I'm I you know,

0:55:12.640 --> 0:55:16.239
<v Speaker 2>I know local politics. And that's the part about it

0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:18.319
<v Speaker 2>that I'm kind of like, I don't like, I don't

0:55:18.440 --> 0:55:22.719
<v Speaker 2>understand what that step of saying that has to do

0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:27.359
<v Speaker 2>with with anything here, right, because you're right, like you look,

0:55:27.440 --> 0:55:29.759
<v Speaker 2>you said you like she said all the reasons why

0:55:30.840 --> 0:55:33.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, hey, based upon the evidence or lack thereof

0:55:33.520 --> 0:55:36.600
<v Speaker 2>or whatever you know looking at the case, Okay, but

0:55:36.719 --> 0:55:39.000
<v Speaker 2>then to take that extra step, you're like huh and

0:55:39.080 --> 0:55:40.839
<v Speaker 2>I and again, I look at these things a lot

0:55:40.880 --> 0:55:46.239
<v Speaker 2>of times through especially a Democrat prosecutor and a Republican

0:55:46.320 --> 0:55:49.719
<v Speaker 2>former prosecutor now high a Supreme Court judge, like what

0:55:50.640 --> 0:55:53.600
<v Speaker 2>what would what would cause all that to you know,

0:55:54.040 --> 0:55:56.319
<v Speaker 2>that that step to be taken in all this well,

0:55:56.400 --> 0:56:00.440
<v Speaker 2>and then the other thing is had Connie Pillat, as

0:56:00.520 --> 0:56:04.759
<v Speaker 2>she said, conducted this exhaustive review. And I would think

0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:08.400
<v Speaker 2>if I were in her position and I was considering

0:56:08.960 --> 0:56:12.960
<v Speaker 2>releasing this man from prison, I would at least contact

0:56:13.080 --> 0:56:16.359
<v Speaker 2>Joe Deeters and say, look, I've been looking at this case.

0:56:17.320 --> 0:56:19.400
<v Speaker 1>I've got X, Y and Z. I know you were

0:56:19.480 --> 0:56:20.560
<v Speaker 1>the prosecutor at the time.

0:56:20.640 --> 0:56:24.279
<v Speaker 2>I would, and I would, I would want my ideas

0:56:24.800 --> 0:56:27.279
<v Speaker 2>to withstand his scrutiny, because you know what, if he

0:56:27.360 --> 0:56:30.120
<v Speaker 2>made a mistake, if he came up and said, you

0:56:30.200 --> 0:56:33.600
<v Speaker 2>know what, we didn't consider this, or we made it,

0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:37.719
<v Speaker 2>we overlooked this, or there is something it is not

0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:40.759
<v Speaker 2>right here, then then if he can find a way

0:56:40.800 --> 0:56:43.360
<v Speaker 2>to be in agreement with him and set an innocent

0:56:43.480 --> 0:56:45.600
<v Speaker 2>man free, then Joe Dieters is the kind of guy

0:56:45.600 --> 0:56:50.160
<v Speaker 2>who would do that. But if if it's you, and

0:56:50.320 --> 0:56:53.480
<v Speaker 2>you are making this kind of decision that is going

0:56:53.600 --> 0:56:55.560
<v Speaker 2>to change this man's life, in the life of his

0:56:55.680 --> 0:56:58.640
<v Speaker 2>family and everyone who knows him, and not only his family,

0:56:58.719 --> 0:57:02.400
<v Speaker 2>but the victims family as well. Don't you want to

0:57:02.440 --> 0:57:05.400
<v Speaker 2>be right about it? Don't you want your ideas to

0:57:05.480 --> 0:57:09.759
<v Speaker 2>be able to withstand scrutiny? Yeah, And and why she

0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:14.319
<v Speaker 2>couldn't even contact Joe Dieters or Pete Meyer and say, look,

0:57:14.480 --> 0:57:16.800
<v Speaker 2>here's what I'm working with. Tell me where I'm wrong.

0:57:17.800 --> 0:57:19.400
<v Speaker 2>And if they can't find a hole in that, then

0:57:20.160 --> 0:57:22.520
<v Speaker 2>that that to me tells me that that you are

0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:26.560
<v Speaker 2>doing justice, which she claims is she wants she wants

0:57:26.680 --> 0:57:30.040
<v Speaker 2>to do justice. And this is well said Dan, And

0:57:30.080 --> 0:57:33.640
<v Speaker 2>then this is separate from all that, like I and

0:57:33.720 --> 0:57:40.080
<v Speaker 2>again this seems like a very extraordinary circumstance case here

0:57:40.200 --> 0:57:42.960
<v Speaker 2>in the sense that I didn't even realize until all

0:57:43.000 --> 0:57:47.160
<v Speaker 2>this came out. And again, I my my, my expertise

0:57:47.200 --> 0:57:49.480
<v Speaker 2>are reporting is more on the political stuff and now

0:57:49.480 --> 0:57:52.080
<v Speaker 2>I do sports, but like you know, not so much

0:57:52.120 --> 0:57:54.880
<v Speaker 2>on the criminal justice side. So I'm always try to

0:57:55.000 --> 0:57:56.120
<v Speaker 2>careful on whatever I.

0:57:56.440 --> 0:58:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Say on that. But I only the piece.

0:58:02.840 --> 0:58:06.200
<v Speaker 2>I didn't really even realize, like a prosecutor, it doesn't

0:58:06.240 --> 0:58:09.640
<v Speaker 2>matter who the prosecutor is, a local prosecutor in the

0:58:09.680 --> 0:58:12.520
<v Speaker 2>state of Ohio then has the ability to basically free

0:58:12.640 --> 0:58:13.600
<v Speaker 2>someone from.

0:58:13.680 --> 0:58:15.160
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even know that. I agree, I did.

0:58:15.320 --> 0:58:15.680
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know.

0:58:15.800 --> 0:58:17.080
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that power existed.

0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I always just say, I like, the governor has

0:58:19.960 --> 0:58:24.120
<v Speaker 2>the ability to grant clemency to you know, anyone who's

0:58:24.160 --> 0:58:27.160
<v Speaker 2>in prison. But you understand that. But I didn't realize

0:58:27.200 --> 0:58:29.480
<v Speaker 2>a local prosecutor. I know that's not what it's called here,

0:58:29.640 --> 0:58:32.840
<v Speaker 2>that that's not the term whatever, but essentially that's the

0:58:32.960 --> 0:58:34.080
<v Speaker 2>same thing, right or No.

0:58:34.480 --> 0:58:34.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:58:35.160 --> 0:58:37.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's a I I did not know that.

0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:41.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean with the case was tried in Hamilton County.

0:58:41.680 --> 0:58:45.400
<v Speaker 2>She's the Hamilton County prosecutor. She dismissed the case. So

0:58:45.840 --> 0:58:48.720
<v Speaker 2>so I don't I did not know. But then wouldn't

0:58:48.720 --> 0:58:52.160
<v Speaker 2>that jo wouldn't wouldn't be to you to go back

0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:57.320
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I mean again, it's fascinating. That was gonna

0:58:57.320 --> 0:59:00.200
<v Speaker 2>be my next question if we would have had I'm

0:59:00.240 --> 0:59:00.560
<v Speaker 2>on that pot.

0:59:00.640 --> 0:59:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we didn't have time, but anyway, we'll throw it

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<v Speaker 2>Call in right now five one, three, seven, four nine

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go to Mason. We'll say hey to Brett. Do

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<v Speaker 2>we got Steve and west Union Brett seven hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>Wiw Hey, guys, how you doing today? All right? Brett?

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<v Speaker 1>What's up? Hey?

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<v Speaker 10>Well, first of all, I just want to say that

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<v Speaker 10>I did have some dealings with Joe Dieters in the

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<v Speaker 10>past and with a grand jury, and he's probably one

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<v Speaker 10>of the most solid law enforcement individuals I've ever ran

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<v Speaker 10>across my life. So I just want to make sure

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<v Speaker 10>I said that and in conjunction with what you guys

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<v Speaker 10>were talking about. But what I thought about today is

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<v Speaker 10>is the Epstein thing actually a team of people. I

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<v Speaker 10>was part of a team of people that worked on

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<v Speaker 10>the Epstein files and things many years ago when he

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<v Speaker 10>right after he got out of jail in Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>But did you guys know that you hold on stop

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<v Speaker 1>right there before you any further a. So you worked

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<v Speaker 1>on the Epstein files in what sort of capacity I worked?

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<v Speaker 10>I was very good friends with with a guy named

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<v Speaker 10>Isaac Caapi. Isaac Cappy was a Hollywood actor who came

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<v Speaker 10>out and started naming people on the Epstein list that

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<v Speaker 10>he knew of people that had yeah, you know, had

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<v Speaker 10>you know been in his circles, had you know, committed

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<v Speaker 10>crimes against you know, young children and things, and uh

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<v Speaker 10>he uh. He suicided himself off of a overpass by

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<v Speaker 10>the way of Phoenix several years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, are you are you your capacity is as a lawyer?

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<v Speaker 10>No, my capacity was as a kind of a special investigator.

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<v Speaker 10>Like for example, yeah, like I went to I went

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<v Speaker 10>to New Hope, Pennsylvania to see if Maxwell was staying there.

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<v Speaker 1>Things like that.

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<v Speaker 10>But she has a submarine license. What now, Julane Gerlaine

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<v Speaker 10>Maxwell has a submarine license.

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<v Speaker 2>I read yesterday where she's a licensed helicopter pilot. Also, huh, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw at the controls of a hell.

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<v Speaker 10>Hug yep and submarine and they had a small submarine

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<v Speaker 10>that they used a little Saint James. They had a

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<v Speaker 10>submarine docking area. And this is this is something you

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<v Speaker 10>guys can look up. It's a known thing.

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<v Speaker 1>How many people know how to drive a submarine? Right?

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<v Speaker 10>And everybody talks about the flights onto the island, right, Well,

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<v Speaker 10>it would be pretty easy to show up at a

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<v Speaker 10>submarine with nobody knowing about it, wouldn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>So Epstein if she picked them up someplace else. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>the thing I have not read a ton. I'll be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>I have not read a ton about the whole Epstein

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<v Speaker 2>thing period.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I and I said it before.

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<v Speaker 2>All I want is the people who were engaging in

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<v Speaker 2>this activity with these young people, if if they if

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<v Speaker 2>if they harmed young people, I want them brought to justice.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, that's pretty much. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, look, rich people, if they fly around, they have

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<v Speaker 2>their fun, they do what they want. That fine and

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<v Speaker 2>dandy all day long. But if you're you're committing crimes,

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<v Speaker 2>then you need to be brought to justice. And to

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<v Speaker 2>me that that's where it ends. But I did not

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<v Speaker 2>know you, right, But they had a submarine.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, And part of the problem is is that what

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<v Speaker 10>a lot of people don't realize, you guys, is that

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<v Speaker 10>there are things that go on that the normal papas

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<v Speaker 10>doesn't understand. So we talk about these people committing crimes voluntarily.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately they do.

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<v Speaker 10>There was a lot of blacknail going on and a

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<v Speaker 10>lot of things going on good with unwilling participants, so

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<v Speaker 10>to speak. And if you guys look up sculpamine. Sculpamine

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<v Speaker 10>is something from South America. It's derived from a flower,

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<v Speaker 10>from a plant. The people in Colombia are scared the

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<v Speaker 10>death of it. But sculpamine is something that they can

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<v Speaker 10>blow in your face. They can very easily administer it.

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<v Speaker 10>You remember nothing, you remember zero, and you do exactly

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<v Speaker 10>as you're told. There's instances where they do it to

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<v Speaker 10>a guy, take him to his house. They bring up

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<v Speaker 10>a moving van. He stands there and watches them move

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<v Speaker 10>out all the stuff. The neighbors are like, hey, you moving. Yep,

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<v Speaker 10>they do whatever you do, whatever you are told. That

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<v Speaker 10>sounds like you remember zero. Yeah, that sounds devil dust.

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<v Speaker 10>It's called devil dust down in Columbia.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 10>So you know you might have people, Yeah, you might

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<v Speaker 10>have people that are you know, on the up and

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<v Speaker 10>up and they actually are drugged, right, and they're putting

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<v Speaker 10>in certain compromising positions, film videos, whatever, and then you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know they wake up. I didn't do that. Yeah you did?

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<v Speaker 1>How about that?

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<v Speaker 10>So that's something people need to look at too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>there's a lot of different facis. But basically the Epstein

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<v Speaker 10>thing was to lure in people that were, you know, pedophiles,

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<v Speaker 10>not pedophiles get things on. He was basically massade. Julaane

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<v Speaker 10>Maxwell's father was Massad. He actually had a mysterious death

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<v Speaker 10>on a yacht ride by himself, but the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 10>of Israel also said that her father had done more

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<v Speaker 10>for Israel than most people had ever done. So there's

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<v Speaker 10>a lot of politics involved, a lot of massade, a

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<v Speaker 10>lot of different things. But yeah, yeah, it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 10>it's kind of crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Greg, Well, you've got something, You've got a

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<v Speaker 2>ton of information there, and you told me something I

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<v Speaker 2>had not heard before. So I thank you very much

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<v Speaker 2>for that phone call. So Brett fam Mason is unloading

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<v Speaker 2>the big information there. What do you think about that?

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<v Speaker 2>What's that stuff they blow in your face? Devil dust?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that devil dust? I don't think I want any

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<v Speaker 2>part of that. So, like, I don't know, let's go

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<v Speaker 2>to West Union and say hey to Steve, Steve seven

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<v Speaker 2>hundred wlwyd Jason, Christmas, you got Christmas brother?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 10>That was hard to follow.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I wanted to get to you, Steve. Dan's asking, man, like,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get on, Steve. I mean that that guy said

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of fantastic stuff. So it's it's a dust.

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<v Speaker 2>They blow it in your face and then all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, you can't you can't remember anything, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>but you're totally coherent, and you're and and then you're

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<v Speaker 2>like hypnotized, so like fentanyl. I don't know, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>I don't you know, the drugging, stay away.

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<v Speaker 1>From the cover.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>But it sounds a little bit spook.

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<v Speaker 11>Anyway, what I got is.

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<v Speaker 4>The topping, the topping, what that's just this the the

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<v Speaker 4>guy they let.

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<v Speaker 2>Loose Jones Okay, all right, Elwood Jones the topic.

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<v Speaker 4>And Connie Pillage the judge, you let him go?

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<v Speaker 1>No, Connie Pillage is the prosecutor. Okay, whoever who is

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<v Speaker 1>the judge? Let him go? Uh uh, I'm gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to look that up. Well, you can let you know later,

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<v Speaker 1>but I got it here. The judge on the case, good, good.

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<v Speaker 4>Joe is amazing, and his office is amazing. It's impeccable

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<v Speaker 4>and untoughtable. Now this judge, let this guy go. Merry Christmas. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>that's the biggest Christmas present this man will ever get.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know how old he is, but I sure

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<v Speaker 4>wish that he would go as far away from Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 4>as he possibly can. Change his name, and if his

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<v Speaker 4>debauchery shows up again, I think street justice is going

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<v Speaker 4>to take care of all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, Steve, you're done. I mean we can't we can,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't advocate for that kind of stuff. But now

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<v Speaker 1>some people are going to take things too far. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is a legitimate issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Though, yes, this guy was sentenced, found guilty by a

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<v Speaker 2>jury of his peers, has been up and down the

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<v Speaker 2>appeals process, and this prosecutor comes in and sees fit

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<v Speaker 2>to dismiss the case and turn this guy into a

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<v Speaker 2>free man. Which we were discussing before the last price.

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<v Speaker 2>We did not know that prosecutors had that had that

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<v Speaker 2>power to do that. So that's you know that that

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<v Speaker 2>that'll be our homework, as Simon is, to learn more

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<v Speaker 2>about that. Yes, all right, let's go to Nicole Nicole

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<v Speaker 2>seven hundred w w Hey Nicole, Nicole going once? Oh

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<v Speaker 2>so okay, well then you put her up there? All right,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, what do you got?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you got there? Big guy?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not trying to change the subject because I legitimately

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to ask you, but I think we do need

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<v Speaker 2>a little lighten it up a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, you get your Christmas shopping done? Yes? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Well maybe yes, I thought I think we my wife

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<v Speaker 2>and I, my wife and I, we do our We

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<v Speaker 2>do our and we have done this ever since our

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<v Speaker 2>kids have been little.

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<v Speaker 1>One day a year. Uh, we we go out and

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<v Speaker 1>we do our shop.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't buy stuff online, although she does now she'll

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<v Speaker 2>buy some stuff ahead of time.

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<v Speaker 1>She does she do the Amazon Prime thing. She yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she does that. Yeah, I don't buy stuff online, but

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<v Speaker 1>she but we were. We save money all year and

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<v Speaker 1>then one day a year I agree to go shopping

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<v Speaker 1>with her, and so I I know when it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen. I can mentally prepare. Yes, we're out. We

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<v Speaker 1>go out one day and we're in the store. We're

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<v Speaker 1>in the stores all day, all day. We got our

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<v Speaker 1>list of stuff we got to get, you know people

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<v Speaker 1>we got to get stuff for and we go out

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<v Speaker 1>and we get it all one day. We pay cash

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<v Speaker 1>for everything and we so we don't we don't. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't go to that. We don't use credit cards. One

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<v Speaker 1>day and then we usually go have a nice dinner

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Did and you see already did that this year. That

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<v Speaker 2>was two Saturdays ago. Where'd you guys, where'd you go

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<v Speaker 2>to dinner?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we want to Uh we normally go to a steakhouse,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was man, it was snowing, and that that's

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<v Speaker 2>we had the big day. Yeah, so we stayed a

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<v Speaker 2>little closer to home, went to a Mexican place and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you can never go wrong. What's going to that local.

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<v Speaker 2>It was funny because we were we were in there

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<v Speaker 2>and it's snowing, and people were coming in and we

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about say, you know, and look, I always

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<v Speaker 2>say this, and I've always said this that when it

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<v Speaker 2>snows out. I was never one of those ones, even

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<v Speaker 2>though I was reporting on the snow. I never said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>stay home, go slow, be careful, all that kind of stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>because nobody's going to listen. I said, you got to

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<v Speaker 2>figure out for yourself. Are you a good driver? And

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<v Speaker 2>you have to judge your own driving ability. I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 2>good driving in the snow. I don't worry about it

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<v Speaker 2>that much.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>If but if you're not good in the snow, then

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<v Speaker 2>they home recognize that. Yes, do us all a favor

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<v Speaker 2>to yourself, a favor, no shame in that and let

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<v Speaker 2>me let me, let me let this fifty thousand what

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<v Speaker 2>mother flamethrower. No, there's a lot of y'all out there

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<v Speaker 2>and greater Cincinnati that don't know how to drive in

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<v Speaker 2>the snow. Me and me, having grown up in the

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<v Speaker 2>country in southeast o High on the rolling Hills, learn

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<v Speaker 2>how to drive in the snow. Then I lived in

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<v Speaker 2>Minnesota for three years. How well do they clear the

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<v Speaker 2>snow out there in Galla police?

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<v Speaker 1>Not well? Not well? When they call schools off there,

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<v Speaker 1>it's legit because I.

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<v Speaker 2>Ride a bus forty five minutes one way every every

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<v Speaker 2>day growing up in elementary school.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, So yeah, I mean that's rough.

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<v Speaker 2>But here, I mean number one, we've gotten terrible at

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<v Speaker 2>cleaning the roads generally speaking. I'm not picking on one

1:13:57.600 --> 1:14:01.280
<v Speaker 2>municipality over the other. Uh, we just were not good

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<v Speaker 2>at it anymore. It used to be, and I understand

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't. It doesn't seem to snow as much generally

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<v Speaker 2>as it used to. Right well, I don't know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we've had snow on the it's it's there's no snow

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<v Speaker 2>on the ground today. But right when when you have

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<v Speaker 2>those early December snowfalls like we had, I'm just dripping

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<v Speaker 2>in my golf. I'm sitting here a little stumped. After

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of calls there, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>A little rattled.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's throw one more in here before we got to

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<v Speaker 2>get to uh at Christmas shows, David Dayton, what's going.

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<v Speaker 8>On, hey, guys?

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<v Speaker 15>A couple of questions. I'm gonna play Devil's advocate on one. Okay,

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<v Speaker 15>this stuff that Connie Pilligs is out there saying how

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<v Speaker 15>they cheated, how they hid evidence. And I understand Joe

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<v Speaker 15>Deeters coming down and wanting to clear things up and

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<v Speaker 15>protect his reputation, but that would seem pretty slanderous to me.

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<v Speaker 15>And if if it is him being adjust and him

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<v Speaker 15>knowing them all, why isn't there a lawsuit filed against

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<v Speaker 15>Connie Pillage and the prosecutor's office for those remarks?

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<v Speaker 1>That would be my first question.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I would, I would say to that that look

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<v Speaker 2>at Joe Deeters, his Joe Dieters has built his reputation

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<v Speaker 2>on what he did in office, and his body of work,

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<v Speaker 2>to my way of thinking, pretty much stands for itself.

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<v Speaker 2>So he doesn't need to He doesn't need to escalate

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<v Speaker 2>this any further. I mean, and maybe he's got that recourse.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but Dan.

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<v Speaker 15>Devil's advocate again, if he was to do that, that

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<v Speaker 15>would open up a whole thing on Discovery too.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, the other the other component of this,

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<v Speaker 2>and Dave, we got to run the other component of

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<v Speaker 2>this is though by Connie Pillage saying what she said

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<v Speaker 2>opens up Hamilton County to potential lawsuits as well, with

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<v Speaker 2>people saying, hey, you know, we got to go back

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<v Speaker 2>and look at these case and if we are wrongfully convicted,

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<v Speaker 2>then we'll do some money, and that that could get very,

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<v Speaker 2>very expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>But all I got to say to that is Dave,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for a good call and for good question. Well

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<v Speaker 1>Devil's advocate, there nothing wrong with that. Five two and

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<v Speaker 1>we got to check a little traffic and weather together

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<v Speaker 1>on seven hundred WW.

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<v Speaker 6>From the UC Health Traffic Center. At uce Health, you'll

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<v Speaker 6>at UCHealth dot com. A couple of earlier accidents now

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<v Speaker 6>cleared out, including one on a Hunt Road that's at

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<v Speaker 6>Plainfield Road and Padretti Avenue. Another accident cleared out at

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<v Speaker 6>Foley Road. Still one crash though, that is pull rain

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<v Speaker 6>over at Hoppole Street in northbound seventy five. A little

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<v Speaker 6>bit of slow traffic between Mitchell and Paddock right now.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a three minute delay. I met Ezellek on news

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<v Speaker 6>radio seven hundred WLW.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the nine first one forecast. Light sprinkles, showers maybe

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<v Speaker 2>moving through the tri state tonight. Nothing all that heavy

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to have an overnight low fifties. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>forty three, not fifty six. Tomorrow's highest fifty six under

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<v Speaker 2>mostly cloudy skies. Tomorrow night cloudy cool, the overnight low

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<v Speaker 2>forty and then Christmas Eve we're looking at a high

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<v Speaker 2>under cloudy skies of fifty six in maybe even in

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<v Speaker 2>the sixties.

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<v Speaker 14>For Christmas Day it is forty four at seven hundred wlw.

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<v Speaker 14>This report is sponsored by One Hour Heating and Eric

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<v Speaker 14>kennerysning winter temps seven hundred WLW.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Carroll in for Eddie and Rocky along with Jason Williams.

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<v Speaker 2>I did our intro a little different that time.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you okay with that? Totally fine?

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<v Speaker 2>You looked a little dyspeptic over there. So wa other

1:17:47.479 --> 1:17:49.640
<v Speaker 2>stuff that's going on in the news, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>what is happening with Venezuela, and a lot of people

1:17:53.080 --> 1:17:55.520
<v Speaker 2>are looking at that, and you've got the naval blockade

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<v Speaker 2>going on. Of course, we know Trump has been attacking

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<v Speaker 2>the drug boats, and now we got things going on

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<v Speaker 2>with oil tankers. And then I look at the headlines

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<v Speaker 2>from over the weekend and I see there's a hot

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<v Speaker 2>pursuit of US Coast Guard chip chasing down an oil tanker.

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<v Speaker 2>And to tell us more about that is Christiane Cordero

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<v Speaker 2>of ABC News, and Christian, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>being here. What about this hot pursuit is that? Is

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<v Speaker 2>that just a headline to draw interest or is there

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<v Speaker 2>really a big chase going on in the high seas

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<v Speaker 2>with our coast guard trying to chase down an oil tank.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, I mean I think it's much more of the

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<v Speaker 16>latter than the former. Dan Jason, great to be with

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<v Speaker 16>you both. So this is the third vessel. I say

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<v Speaker 16>that because this isn't just the first one, but it's

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<v Speaker 16>actually the third vessel with ties of Venezuela in less

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<v Speaker 16>than two weeks that the US has chased down and

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<v Speaker 16>two have been successfully chased down and even seized. But

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<v Speaker 16>this latest one we still have many questions on as

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<v Speaker 16>far as has it actually been seized, is this chase

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<v Speaker 16>still happening. But essentially, the US is saying that this

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<v Speaker 16>vessel is operating illegally, that it's evading sanctions and flying

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<v Speaker 16>a false flag, and therefore it has the right to

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<v Speaker 16>do what it's doing. But as you kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 16>alluded to, this does fit into the greater picture of

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<v Speaker 16>things really escalating between the US and Venezuela Christian.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny to see like active pursuit of an oil tanker.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a massive ship, right, and it's the body of

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<v Speaker 2>water in the grand scheme of you know, I guess

1:19:25.720 --> 1:19:28.719
<v Speaker 2>oceans and big massive bodies of waters in this world,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not that big of an area.

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<v Speaker 1>So is it hard to find? Has it been hard

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<v Speaker 1>for the coast Guard to find the ship or what's

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on there?

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, it's an interesting question. I have a feeling that

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<v Speaker 16>the government knows more information about that than they have

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<v Speaker 16>publicly shared, of course, and some of it just may

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<v Speaker 16>be a lapse of you know, timing and communication. We

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<v Speaker 16>expect to hear from the President really any minute now

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<v Speaker 16>and possibly address that very question. But what we've seen

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<v Speaker 16>in other examples, I mean, we've seen it be as

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<v Speaker 16>over as helico US Forces Coast Guard tactical teams repelling

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<v Speaker 16>from a helicopter and boarding some of the depths of

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<v Speaker 16>these oil tankers. So to your point, this is a

1:20:14.479 --> 1:20:17.960
<v Speaker 16>huge vessel. It's certainly much much bigger than any of

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<v Speaker 16>the twenty eight suspected drug smuggling boats that we've seen

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<v Speaker 16>get targeted through airstrikes from the administration over the past

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<v Speaker 16>several months, and because of that and several other reasons,

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<v Speaker 16>it is a really big step in what the administration

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<v Speaker 16>has been saying for a while now, which is that

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<v Speaker 16>they're going after Nicholas Maduro and why they're going after

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<v Speaker 16>him is up for interpretation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, some of the analysis that I've seen and that

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<v Speaker 2>I've read is that this is a play to put

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<v Speaker 2>pressure on China because much of this oil, if not

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<v Speaker 2>all of it, is bound for China eventually and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>going through Iran first and then onto China. What's your

1:20:58.439 --> 1:21:01.080
<v Speaker 2>what do you have any information along those lines? And

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<v Speaker 2>how much interest is China showing in all this stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that's playing out there off the coast of Venezuela.

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<v Speaker 16>Right, So, China gets this oil from a lot of

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<v Speaker 16>different suppliers, So I would think that the more immediate,

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<v Speaker 16>the more immediate results would be how this affects Venezuela

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<v Speaker 16>and other countries that have exports oil too. So remember,

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<v Speaker 16>Venezuela's pretty much lifeblood of its economy is oil exports.

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<v Speaker 16>So if you take that away from them, then you

1:21:30.680 --> 1:21:34.559
<v Speaker 16>have essentially forced a regime change. Right, people will suffer

1:21:35.080 --> 1:21:37.840
<v Speaker 16>because of it, and that will change things as far

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<v Speaker 16>as who's in control within the government goes. And there

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<v Speaker 16>is some speculation to believe that that's ultimately what the

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<v Speaker 16>administration wants, is to see a regime change. In fact,

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<v Speaker 16>Senator Lindsay Graham over the weekend said that as plain

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<v Speaker 16>as day, where he said, I'd like to see the

1:21:53.800 --> 1:21:56.040
<v Speaker 16>people of Venezuela be able to elect a new leader

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<v Speaker 16>that would not only be good for them, but good

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<v Speaker 16>for the region and good for the United States. And

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<v Speaker 16>best part is exactly what has members of Congress conflicted,

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<v Speaker 16>because there are some Republicans and certainly many Democrats who

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<v Speaker 16>are against the administration's efforts and saying this is not

1:22:10.720 --> 1:22:13.080
<v Speaker 16>under the quot unquote America First Agenda, we should not

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<v Speaker 16>be bothering with Venezuela and all for what and and

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<v Speaker 16>so you know, there there are throwing skepticism at the

1:22:20.120 --> 1:22:24.200
<v Speaker 16>administration's claims that this is entirely about drug smuggling. And

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<v Speaker 16>but but that is something that the administration has been

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<v Speaker 16>adamant about, is that that's exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>What it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you brought it up there, Christiana, about the drug

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<v Speaker 2>boats smuggling, and so is potentially part of this going after, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna you you you Maduro, better stop, get get

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<v Speaker 2>the drug boats under control because they're coming from your shores,

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<v Speaker 2>or we're going to hit you in this other way

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<v Speaker 2>that's really going to hurt you.

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<v Speaker 6>Is that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that a legitimate, you know, theory or thought that

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<v Speaker 2>that that's part of what's playing in here.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, that certainly is what the administration is the message

1:23:01.640 --> 1:23:04.040
<v Speaker 16>that they're trying to get across. And you probably remember

1:23:04.080 --> 1:23:08.080
<v Speaker 16>in the past several weeks we've heard Trump administration officials

1:23:08.120 --> 1:23:11.439
<v Speaker 16>say that if you know, if certain things don't change them,

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<v Speaker 16>they're going to strike on land next, right, And that

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<v Speaker 16>also raises some question. But it also is worth noting

1:23:16.880 --> 1:23:21.720
<v Speaker 16>that while there are many experts do believe that these

1:23:22.680 --> 1:23:26.320
<v Speaker 16>suspected drug boats were back carrying drugs, the vast majority

1:23:26.360 --> 1:23:29.679
<v Speaker 16>of this is, according to UN data, the vast majority

1:23:29.680 --> 1:23:32.120
<v Speaker 16>of drugs that travel over the Caribbean are actually bound

1:23:32.160 --> 1:23:35.160
<v Speaker 16>for Europe, not for the US. And the vast majority

1:23:35.200 --> 1:23:36.880
<v Speaker 16>of the drugs that we get here in the US

1:23:37.439 --> 1:23:40.560
<v Speaker 16>goes over as lands borders, and particularly the border we

1:23:40.600 --> 1:23:44.599
<v Speaker 16>share with Mexico. So it's so it's it's a more

1:23:44.720 --> 1:23:48.960
<v Speaker 16>complex issue, I think than what we've seen play out

1:23:49.040 --> 1:23:52.839
<v Speaker 16>so far. But if that's part of the administration's larger

1:23:53.120 --> 1:23:55.519
<v Speaker 16>play to you know, show that they're cracking down on

1:23:55.600 --> 1:23:56.960
<v Speaker 16>drug smuggling, then that very well.

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<v Speaker 5>Could be it.

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<v Speaker 2>Christiana, Well, I've got one more question for you, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here us as a guy who used to be

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<v Speaker 2>a reporter himself. What's it like getting information on this

1:24:06.240 --> 1:24:08.519
<v Speaker 2>story out of this administration? You know, it's not like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I know, ABC has got a lot of resources,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not like you got boats out there in

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<v Speaker 2>the Caribbean on the high seas being able to monitor

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<v Speaker 2>all this. But when you go to the Administration, the

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<v Speaker 2>Department of War, the Coast Guard, or whatever the case

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<v Speaker 2>may be, what's it like getting information so you can

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<v Speaker 2>report on this story?

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<v Speaker 4>Sure?

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<v Speaker 16>Sure, yeah, well, I mean, of course, it depends on

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<v Speaker 16>the circumstances. We feel very fortunate that we have a

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<v Speaker 16>great Pentagon team that has been covering this relentlessly, and

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<v Speaker 16>then on top of that, we also have a really

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<v Speaker 16>vast international team. So you know, you and I presumably

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<v Speaker 16>can't go to Venezuela physically, but we have certain reporters

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<v Speaker 16>with an our organization who can because they are British

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<v Speaker 16>citizens or things of that nature. So there are many

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<v Speaker 16>different ways to kind of corroborate information, and I think

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<v Speaker 16>one of the challenges is just you know, getting the

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<v Speaker 16>most up to date and also getting a pulse of

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<v Speaker 16>what that they look like in the grand scheme of things,

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<v Speaker 16>because these moves have you know, they've been they've floated

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<v Speaker 16>out many different ideas, including land strips, and and every

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<v Speaker 16>time something like that had mentioned that, it warrants us

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<v Speaker 16>kind of you know, looking into what that may look like.

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<v Speaker 16>And and it's played out many different ways so far.

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<v Speaker 16>So it's it's been it's been a lot, but it's

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<v Speaker 16>been you know, we're very fortunate.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Christian Cordero. With that, we'll let you go,

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<v Speaker 1>and I appreciate the time this afternoon, and keep up

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<v Speaker 1>the great work, and happy holidays to you and yours.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks you too, all right, there you go, Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>Christiana cor Christian Cordeo from ABC News. And that was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good. I mean, she's she's.

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<v Speaker 10>All over this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's great work. And it's a fascinating story. It's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of it's it's it's kind of complex though it is.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I had a guy on my show last week,

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Turner from Power of the Future and when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to energy and oil and energy related issues, I

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is right in his wheelhouse.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, what is the play here? And he said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's trying to put some pressure on by

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<v Speaker 1>cutting off this oil supply. And then she mentioned that China,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they don't make that. They don't produce their

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<v Speaker 1>own oil in China, so they have to import it

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<v Speaker 1>from other places. And I think Venezuela is their number

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<v Speaker 1>one place where they a point get it from, but

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<v Speaker 1>they import it from other areas around the world as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think Trump is looking at this as trying

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<v Speaker 1>to put pressure on China and they get trying to

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<v Speaker 1>play the ball, play ball the way he wants them

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<v Speaker 1>to play.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's that, and then you throw out the other

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<v Speaker 2>complex piece of this, the drug trafficking. And you think

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<v Speaker 2>about the drug the drug wars that have been going

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<v Speaker 2>on since the Reagan administration, and God blessed Ronald Reagan,

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<v Speaker 2>He's the one that got it started. But it's never

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<v Speaker 2>been this aggressive of Okay, you know what, it's still coming,

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<v Speaker 2>it's still coming, still coming into this country. Trump hates drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no doubt about it, right, Yeah, you know you

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<v Speaker 2>and I have talked about a lot of serious stuff today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah we have, and let's let's uh, we'll ease up

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit tomorrow and next day as we get,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just hours away from Christmas. I don't coming

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<v Speaker 2>up in a couple of days. Can I say one

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<v Speaker 2>thing we're gonna talk about, please do. We're gonna do

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<v Speaker 2>our favorite Christmas songs? And I always look forward to

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<v Speaker 2>that segment every Did any rocket do the Christmas songs

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<v Speaker 2>you hate the most? Did they do that one day

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<v Speaker 2>last week?

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't? I didn't. I didn't listen. Maybe we'll do that too,

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas songs you hate, Christmas songs, movie stuff. I got

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<v Speaker 1>a few of those, all right. But for now, we

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<v Speaker 1>got to run and we'll see you tomorrow, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>But but for now I'll be here. It's time for

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<v Speaker 1>a little traffic and weather together on seven hundred WLW