Speaker 1: Back on the Big one seven hundred w l W would
Speaker 1: see Eddie and Rockney Show, Dan Carrol, Jason Williams in
Speaker 1: for Eddie and the Rock.
Speaker 2: How it's been a little while, it has, you know,
Speaker 2: but it wouldn't holiday. It wouldn't be a holiday without
Speaker 2: you and I being here, all right?
Speaker 3: How many?
Speaker 1: How many years? Now? This is our fourth straight season?
Speaker 1: Is it our fourth year?
Speaker 4: Year?
Speaker 1: Season? Season? Season?
Speaker 2: Is the right word? You say Merry Christmas to people?
Speaker 2: Are absolutely you impressed me as a happy Holidays. Merry Christmas. No, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm kidding, No, merry Christmas.
Speaker 1: Remember that.
Speaker 2: I remember that one year when it was like, oh,
Speaker 2: it was like you're offending everyone by saying Merry Christmas
Speaker 2: to people. I think we've I think we've crossed that bridge.
Speaker 2: But that I mean that was in the rear view mirror.
Speaker 2: Now yeah, oh yeah, Merry Christmas, the merry Christmas to you.
Speaker 1: Happy.
Speaker 2: We will be here through Christmas a year and right
Speaker 2: up until the New year. Keep so I'm looking forward
Speaker 2: to that. I'm also looking forward to talking about what
Speaker 2: happened on Sunday. By the way, Austin Elmore is front
Speaker 2: of the Big board absolutely seven today. So we always
Speaker 2: appreciate Austin being here. And in the meantime, we had
Speaker 2: a Bengals game yesterday, Bengals down in sunny Florida looking
Speaker 2: looking pretty good out there in the in the sunshine,
Speaker 2: and the Bengals winning game. And here to break it
Speaker 2: down is uh, they like to call him Trags, but
Speaker 2: he's also known as Mike Petralia and uh it's Sincincy
Speaker 2: dot com c L c l n S. Since I'm
Speaker 2: reading this wrong, aren't I that c L what's the trags?
Speaker 2: What does cel n S stand for?
Speaker 1: This is good?
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna give you guys a little bit of
Speaker 5: a Christmas treat. I've never I don't think, talked about
Speaker 5: this on the air, but yeah, the c l n
Speaker 5: S stands for Celtics Late Night Show. It's a Boston
Speaker 5: based digital platform company, obviously since expanded to Cincinnati circa
Speaker 5: twenty twenty one, but it was founded a digital platform
Speaker 5: company founded in the wake of Kevin Garnett and the
Speaker 5: Big Three in Boston winning a Celtics championship in two
Speaker 5: thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: How about that? Love it? So now a little a
Speaker 1: little history lesson to start off the day.
Speaker 2: There you go, that's on s. Yeah, but I'm looking.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at this and the headline on this is
Speaker 2: that's how it's supposed to look. And uh, and I
Speaker 2: was thinking, and I was thinking during the game, and
Speaker 2: Jason Williams, tell me if you were thinking the same thing,
Speaker 2: that it's amazing how when Joe Burrow was on his game,
Speaker 2: when when everyone else is on their game, and when
Speaker 2: the defense is playing moderately, Well, it's amazing how easy
Speaker 2: they make it look.
Speaker 1: It's how you drew it up, isn't it though? I
Speaker 1: mean no, but tracks, let me ask you this. It doesn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't thinking that, but yes, well, I mean, look,
Speaker 2: I mean it's great. They they had, they had a
Speaker 2: great outings. They put up what forty five points? The
Speaker 2: defense only gave up twenty one, which in a lot
Speaker 2: of cases, you know, won't won't win your football game.
Speaker 2: But in any case, these are now meaningless games. What's
Speaker 2: what's the upside to them winning games now? When you
Speaker 2: know the playoffs is in the rearview?
Speaker 1: Mare?
Speaker 5: Okay, so I'm going to go all coach speak on you.
Speaker 1: I'm going to use one of the great cliches in
Speaker 1: all of football. None of these games are meaningless to
Speaker 1: the players playing them.
Speaker 5: Now, why is that relevant to the Bengals Because you
Speaker 5: have a lot of young players on defense who need
Speaker 5: to show their legitimate players and contenders for a roster
Speaker 5: spot in twenty twenty six. And one of those players
Speaker 5: spoke today, Jordan Battle. Jordan Battle can be a good
Speaker 5: player if you put veterans like and maybe perhaps a
Speaker 5: different veteran safety along with him in the secondary. Another
Speaker 5: two other players that you should keep an eye on
Speaker 5: in the final two games Dax Hill and DJ Turner.
Speaker 5: Dax Hill could be your starting outside corner opposite DJ
Speaker 5: Turner next year. That is something I think that the
Speaker 5: Bengals are seriously giving thought to, and that would mean
Speaker 5: they'd of course have to come up with a nickel corner.
Speaker 5: But those are two players who have a lot at stake.
Speaker 5: Another player that has a lot of steak is Shamar Stewart,
Speaker 5: the first round pick out of Texas A and M
Speaker 5: the defensive edge that hasn't been able to get on
Speaker 5: the field except for six games this year. He needs
Speaker 5: to show something in the final two games of the season.
Speaker 5: All of these players happen to be on the defensive side.
Speaker 1: Of the ball.
Speaker 5: But I do think that the Bengals need to show
Speaker 5: that their defense has playmakers on it, even if it's
Speaker 5: against three and twelve Arizona, even if it's against three
Speaker 5: and twelve Cleveland. These defensive players need to show that
Speaker 5: they belong on the roster going forward. To me, and yes,
Speaker 5: draft position is at stake, and I get all that
Speaker 5: better draft pick if you lose the last two games,
Speaker 5: But to me, the bigger picture is getting these younger
Speaker 5: second and third year players to show that they belong
Speaker 5: in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I liked your column Day Drags. I always like your
Speaker 2: columns because you I appreciate that you often have a
Speaker 2: very different viewpoint than I do, and like Dan, I
Speaker 2: appreciate different viewpoints. I want to read this what you
Speaker 2: wrote here a chunk out of your column. Quote everything
Speaker 2: the Bengals did on defense in the third quarter, forcing
Speaker 2: three turnovers and turning the Dolphins over on downs on
Speaker 2: another drive set the Bengals up to succeed on offense.
Speaker 2: Say it together, complimentary football quote. That's how it's supposed
Speaker 2: to look like. Joe Burrow said that bingo. That was
Speaker 2: spot on, because that's that's been the talk all year.
Speaker 2: And this comes a week after Joe Burrow said, you know,
Speaker 2: called them a bad football team, called the Bengals a
Speaker 2: bad football team because they hadn't in part because they
Speaker 2: hadn't played complimentary football they did yesterday and that I
Speaker 2: guess wrote.
Speaker 1: A go ahead.
Speaker 5: Yeah, not not to jump in here, Jason. I also
Speaker 5: wrote the problem with that is it took sixteen games
Speaker 5: to get to that point.
Speaker 2: And I'm glad you answered my question, Yes, why did
Speaker 2: it take you?
Speaker 5: Well, that's a good that is your what's the cap
Speaker 5: number this year that they have to spend? That's the
Speaker 5: one and ten dollar question to be answered in the offseason?
Speaker 5: W who is responsible for jump starting? And actually that
Speaker 5: was the question today. I asked Jordan Battle in the
Speaker 5: locker room, so what do you guys need to do
Speaker 5: next year to be better? Like what are you setting
Speaker 5: your sights on? And he said, well, it's going to
Speaker 5: sound cliche and we've said this before, but this has
Speaker 5: to start at the.
Speaker 1: Beginning of the year, and yes it does.
Speaker 5: The key to me for the Bengals next year will
Speaker 5: be the offseason. What kind of veterans do they bring
Speaker 5: Dj riederback from Detroit and doesn't appear to be ending
Speaker 5: very neatly there in the Motor City. Do they bring
Speaker 5: an established leader, already a known commodity in the Bengal
Speaker 5: locker room back to Cincinnati at the age of thirty one?
Speaker 5: How much gas is left in the tank. Could he
Speaker 5: be a player they bring back to solidify the defensive
Speaker 5: line and the locker room in general. I think that's
Speaker 5: a possibility. But they've got to bring in several players
Speaker 5: like they did in twenty twenty in twenty twenty one
Speaker 5: and not put it all on rookies and first year
Speaker 5: second year players. That's to me, the big problem this
Speaker 5: year is you had a first year defensive coordinator. You
Speaker 5: had at least six players, seven players starting on defense
Speaker 5: who were either in there first, second, or third year
Speaker 5: of the NFL.
Speaker 1: That's wait, You're not going to win many games like that.
Speaker 2: Tracks you do a lot of shows, you sit in
Speaker 2: from Olegar, you hear from You're here for Lance from
Speaker 2: time to time, and a lot of times Friday night,
Speaker 2: Yeah he was here that last Friday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was listening to me too, and.
Speaker 2: I hear those guys talk a lot about the play
Speaker 2: calling and the lack of creativity and you know, why
Speaker 2: are we running on second down and eight things like that.
Speaker 2: Was the play calling that much different yesterday that it
Speaker 2: made such a difference.
Speaker 1: I think not really. I just think the execution was better.
Speaker 5: They got inside, they got in the red zone, inside
Speaker 5: the twenty yard line the opponent's twenty, and scored all
Speaker 5: six times with touchdowns, and you know it was plenty
Speaker 5: After the game yes today, Zach Taylor admitted that he
Speaker 5: went up to Jamar Chase I think it was Jamar,
Speaker 5: and said, please come down and punch me in the stomach,
Speaker 5: but I don't call this certain route down the field
Speaker 5: for a pass play. And I'm sure Jamar laughed at
Speaker 5: him and said, you you sure about that?
Speaker 1: But at least Zach has an awareness.
Speaker 5: And you can criticize Zach Taylor all you want, but
Speaker 5: in terms of play calling offensively, I think he does
Speaker 5: a pretty good job. He knows what these weapons are
Speaker 5: supposed to look like when they are fully healthy and
Speaker 5: fully productive. He knows what the offense is supposed to
Speaker 5: look like, and I give Zach credit for that. It's
Speaker 5: on the defensive side of the ball where I think
Speaker 5: they've asked the offense to cover up for too many mistakes,
Speaker 5: and then the offense gets out of rhythm. They start
Speaker 5: forcing things down the field instead of just trying to
Speaker 5: manipulate the field ten and fifteen yards.
Speaker 1: At a pop.
Speaker 5: That to me, that that's how I would change things
Speaker 5: going into next year.
Speaker 1: Trags.
Speaker 2: We can't talk about the Bengals and and what they
Speaker 2: did yesterday without the fact that Joe Burrow played well
Speaker 2: and and and bounced back and had a nice game.
Speaker 2: And you know that one at one play where he's running, uh,
Speaker 2: scrambling around one way and he throws it back across
Speaker 2: his body and uh, I believe that was to sample
Speaker 2: right the tight end. It was, yes Uh that that
Speaker 2: was that was fun to watch. And I guess my
Speaker 2: question to you is looking back over the last couple
Speaker 2: of weeks and Joe Burrow coming back, and it looked
Speaker 2: it looks like he clarified what he was saying even
Speaker 2: more that he was it's not fun sitting out and
Speaker 2: rehabbing injuries insummation here and then looking back on everything
Speaker 2: that he said over the last few weeks and taking
Speaker 2: how he played yesterday, where like this, where do you
Speaker 2: feel about how do you feel about Joe moving forward?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 5: I think a lot of it has to do with
Speaker 5: how the team looks next year, frankly, and I'm not
Speaker 5: going to go beyond next year. And I think Joe
Speaker 5: Burrow answered Paul Danner Junior's question perfectly. He said, I
Speaker 5: don't see myself anywhere but Cincinnati next year. But beyond that,
Speaker 5: I think about a lot of things. We think about
Speaker 5: a lot of things. And I think that was his
Speaker 5: way of saying, let's fix it next year so we
Speaker 5: don't go through this again. That's where I think Joe
Speaker 5: Burrow's mind is at. Certainly he was. I think one
Speaker 5: phase of the grief that he went through this year,
Speaker 5: the football grief, was rehabbing another injury. He's had four.
Speaker 5: I think it is significant surgeries that takes a toll,
Speaker 5: not only physically, but as he told us, mentally, the
Speaker 5: mental rehab. To not only get back on the field,
Speaker 5: but get back on the field about a month ahead
Speaker 5: of schedule each and every time requires a lot of work,
Speaker 5: a lot of emotional energy, and that's when he puts
Speaker 5: forth that energy. And Denny sees, like the rest of
Speaker 5: the team, there's no apparent urgency from the rest of
Speaker 5: the organization to build up the defense to sign guys
Speaker 5: on defense to compliment what they're doing on offense.
Speaker 1: And I don't buy the fact at all.
Speaker 5: For a millisecond do I buy the fact that, well,
Speaker 5: you spend the money on Joe Burrow, T Higgins and
Speaker 5: Jamar Chase, you don't have anything left. Of course, they
Speaker 5: had money left, and they could have been more aggressive
Speaker 5: in building the roster on the defensive side of the ball,
Speaker 5: but they chose to take a gamble, a calculated gamble
Speaker 5: that they thought they could be the Philadelphia Eagles draft
Speaker 5: all of their young players on defense and they'd all produce. Well,
Speaker 5: what happens is when you miss in the draft, like
Speaker 5: the Bengals have the last four or five years, in
Speaker 5: the second and third rounds. You can't do that because
Speaker 5: the players aren't good enough. And you know, I think
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow wants a different approach to this offseason, and
Speaker 5: so that's what I think all of it is about.
Speaker 5: And I think, you know, he is a very deep
Speaker 5: thinking young man, Joe Burrow is, and and I think
Speaker 5: that's what you saw in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Real quick tracks where we get to trafficking weather here,
Speaker 2: piggybacking off of that. What would what does Joe burrowes
Speaker 2: does he does he say, uh, front office, you need
Speaker 2: to fix this, you need to go get this guy
Speaker 2: like and how much will they listen to him? I
Speaker 2: know he's a guy they've listened to more so than
Speaker 2: any other player in franchise history. But what do you
Speaker 2: see him having influence there and fixing or at least
Speaker 2: trying to address some of these needs.
Speaker 5: Like last year with t Higgins and Jamar Chase when
Speaker 5: he went to back for them.
Speaker 1: Yes, I do think he has a voice.
Speaker 5: He has a voice that's not like Jalen Davis in
Speaker 5: the locker room.
Speaker 1: Jillen Davis isn't going to the.
Speaker 5: Front office, or neither is daxx Hill. But Joe Burrow
Speaker 5: does have a voice, and he has acknowledged as much
Speaker 5: to us in his Wednesday prescotference it says I have
Speaker 5: a voice. I let them know, but I'm not the
Speaker 5: general manager. I leave them that up to the football
Speaker 5: decision makers and what they decide to do. It's out
Speaker 5: of his hands. And Joe Burrow has also made that
Speaker 5: much clear as well.
Speaker 2: All right, trags, we got to run, But I want
Speaker 2: to thank you for the time. Will you be gracing
Speaker 2: the airwaves here or down the hall anytime soon down
Speaker 2: the Hall.
Speaker 5: Wednesday afternoon, I'm filling in for the one and only
Speaker 5: Tony Pike noon to.
Speaker 1: Three on the SPN fifteen thirty. So thanks for asking.
Speaker 2: Dan, outstanding outstanding trag. You know you do a great
Speaker 2: job on the radio and filling it for Tony Pike.
Speaker 2: Is that that's some big shoes right there, because that
Speaker 2: guy I.
Speaker 1: Like they are.
Speaker 2: Indeed, Happy Holiday Gaith on Twitter, Happy Merry Christmas to
Speaker 2: you all the best of your trags.
Speaker 1: Christmas. All right, Chris, there you go. Thank I love that.
Speaker 2: Guy's analysis and he does a great job whenever he'sa
Speaker 2: on there. Absolutely three twenty three, let's do a little
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Speaker 6: as well. Traffic backed up from rich Wood Road. Delays
Speaker 6: have gone down a little bit right now, a five
Speaker 6: minutes slow down. Also on westbound two seventy five, the
Speaker 6: right lane blocked off from a disabled vehicle between Lebanon
Speaker 6: and Mostellar Road. Traffic running slow northbound seventy five between
Speaker 6: Mitchell and Paddock, and more slow traffic southbound seventy five
Speaker 6: from Zer Charles Drive down to Fort Washington Way. I'm
Speaker 6: at Ezebek on news radio seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 2: Here's the nine first one forecast. Some light sprinkles, showers
Speaker 2: maybe moving through the tri State tonight, nothing all that heavy.
Speaker 2: We're going to have an overnight low fifties. I'm sorry, forty,
Speaker 2: not fifty six. Tomorrow's highest fifty six under mostly cloudy skies.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow night cloudy, cool, the overnight low forty, and then
Speaker 2: Christmas Eve we're looking at a high under cloudy skies
Speaker 2: of fifty six and maybe even in the sixties.
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Speaker 1: three forty on this Monday afternoon. What have we got
Speaker 1: two days? Two days before Christmas?
Speaker 2: Today's the twenty second, So you got the twenty second,
Speaker 2: the twenty third, and then the twenty fourth.
Speaker 1: So I guess what.
Speaker 2: And it's past twelve noon already, so about two and
Speaker 2: a half days of Christmas.
Speaker 1: That sound right? That sounds right. Two and a half days.
Speaker 1: You and I will be here all week except Christmas Day. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The seven hundred WLW what do they call Christmas Spectacular
Speaker 2: will be happy. Yeah, So we're going to do our
Speaker 2: It's I think this is at the very least our
Speaker 2: fourth year. Is our fourth year to do this week.
Speaker 2: I'm not arguing with you. I'm just saying this that
Speaker 2: you're probably right. At one year, it was one of
Speaker 2: those days. It was rough. Remember my furnace broke a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, three years ago, it was that
Speaker 2: was some nasty weather. But we're talking about temperatures in
Speaker 2: the sixties. It's crazy sixties for Christmas. Unbelievable. I may
Speaker 2: I did not ride the motorcycle today. I may do
Speaker 2: it one day this week because it's not calling for rain,
Speaker 2: cloudy skies. You know tomorrow's high what fifty six?
Speaker 1: What's supposed to be on Christmas? Sixty three?
Speaker 2: Fifty six on Christmas Eve? And then they're talking right now,
Speaker 2: they're saying sixty two for Christmas Day. Bring that on?
Speaker 2: I can can I call? Can we carry that all
Speaker 2: the way through January? Can I call one of the
Speaker 2: betting services and bet a high? Can you bet on
Speaker 2: the weather? Can you bet on the high temperature.
Speaker 1: Day? That's a good Probably. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't want to venture to know. You do you
Speaker 2: do a lot of shows with Rocky and you do
Speaker 2: some with Eddie. I do Do they get into the
Speaker 2: sports book, into the sports betting?
Speaker 1: Do they they? I mean, I don't want you to
Speaker 1: talk out of school or anything. No, no, no.
Speaker 2: They always have the weekly segment with Jason hoffin which
Speaker 2: you and I should do since it's a big football time,
Speaker 2: we should do that. Maybe sometime this week have him
Speaker 2: have him on to uh give us his picks. So
Speaker 2: they always do that every Thursday. Well, I am enjoying
Speaker 2: the famous Idaho Potato Bowl. That is on the monitor.
Speaker 2: It's on behind me. Yes, it's halftime you're not missing
Speaker 2: Utah State. You'd Washington State in Utah State.
Speaker 1: There we go.
Speaker 2: You know who went to Utah State? Yeah, I just
Speaker 2: it just it just it to me. See is this
Speaker 2: a political pro No, No, it's it's it's somebody we
Speaker 2: know in his name just walked right out of my head.
Speaker 2: Also we know well, I mean someone that is that
Speaker 2: is very well known in Cincinnati. Who's who's a great
Speaker 2: analysis and a great sports sportscaster in his own right
Speaker 2: Utah State.
Speaker 1: And I'm trying.
Speaker 2: I can see I'm drawing a blank right now. I
Speaker 2: feel so stupid for saying that. But the phone lines
Speaker 2: are open five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand.
Speaker 2: Now you got me stumped. Man under the baby. Maybe
Speaker 2: it'll come to me. Maybe a caller will call in.
Speaker 1: Let us know.
Speaker 2: I don't know that he probably knows he's holding out.
Speaker 2: That's just good. Let us let us sit here and
Speaker 2: guess I know what Beth is on the line. Beth,
Speaker 2: how you doing?
Speaker 1: Hi? I'm doing great, Bene Barlington.
Speaker 8: Yes, they talking to you, fellas. I love listening to
Speaker 8: whoever occupies this hour or two hours, whoever it may be,
Speaker 8: whether it's whoever it may be, however called that. Forgive
Speaker 8: me because I just I just tuned in and I
Speaker 8: don't even know. I'm I'm not quite sure who's on today.
Speaker 1: I'm Dan Carroll, give me, he's Jason william.
Speaker 8: Dan Carroll, I grew up in the neighborhood of yours
Speaker 8: years ago. Did I swam at the same swim club
Speaker 8: as you?
Speaker 1: How about that well swim club? Back?
Speaker 8: Of course?
Speaker 5: Some?
Speaker 8: Yeah, of course. So the reason is, who's on with you?
Speaker 1: Rocky?
Speaker 2: No, this is the Rocky and Eddie Show. It's it's
Speaker 2: Dan Carroll and Jason Williams sitting in for us.
Speaker 8: Okay, Hi, Jason h James Williams, and I love listening
Speaker 8: to you as well. So let me just mention.
Speaker 9: We go way back, you know, Doctor Anderson, Redskins, the
Speaker 9: Redskins Baby.
Speaker 2: Once a redskin, always a redskin. Were I went to mcnick. Oh,
Speaker 2: that's right, I knew you. I'm Rocket, I'm Rocket.
Speaker 8: I don't know why I thought you went to Anderson,
Speaker 8: But did you swim at Anderson High School?
Speaker 1: Solomon Wilcotts, That's who I was thinking of. Sally.
Speaker 2: Sally went to Solomon wilcott is a great guy. I apologize.
Speaker 8: I love talking.
Speaker 2: I was thinking, I was thinking to him when I
Speaker 2: was thinking Utah state, I know Sally went there. Then
Speaker 2: as soon as I was going to say it on
Speaker 2: the air, as it just walked right out of my head.
Speaker 1: But that's okay, we're just cutting off here. Just you
Speaker 1: got the no, No, you're not, you're not.
Speaker 8: I'm enjoying every every second of it. The reason I
Speaker 8: called is because my sister and I we don't gamble much.
Speaker 8: We put some money in for the lottery every time
Speaker 8: it gets a little bit big. And she had picked
Speaker 8: up a couple of numbers and I picked up a
Speaker 8: couple numbers, and we both I said to her, I said,
Speaker 8: I said, I bet you that we won't win any
Speaker 8: money in this. However, I bet you five dollars that
Speaker 8: the winner will come out of California. And that's just
Speaker 8: straight up, and we laughed so hard about it because
Speaker 8: it just seems definitely it is.
Speaker 2: It seems like they always come out of a state
Speaker 2: that I haven't been to anytime recently, so I know I.
Speaker 8: Didn't come out of my neighborhood.
Speaker 2: One point six billion dollars. When's the drawing for the
Speaker 2: power ball drawing?
Speaker 8: It's consecutive.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, I'm looking at it right here.
Speaker 2: It's today seven hours, twelve minutes, forty seconds until the.
Speaker 1: Next power ball draw. That's the time you have to
Speaker 1: get your yet, let's go one point six.
Speaker 8: I'm talking to you, guys.
Speaker 1: Hey back, thank you? All right? There you going to
Speaker 1: be even She seems like saying she's my neighbor someone
Speaker 1: someone I grew up with. Swim club.
Speaker 2: It's called it's called the Forest Hill Swim Club, right,
Speaker 2: that's right. But but back in the day it was
Speaker 2: summit we have. I'm in the Wyoming Swim Club.
Speaker 10: Well, there you go.
Speaker 2: Doesn't sound as it doesn't sound as racous as the
Speaker 2: Forest Hills. We have a good time, man, I mean
Speaker 2: we have we have a good time too. Like it
Speaker 2: sounds like a wild party there.
Speaker 6: Like.
Speaker 2: Well, up until a couple of seasons ago, we used
Speaker 2: to have a high board too. Oh insurance and all
Speaker 2: that they took our had. Is there any high boards
Speaker 2: around anything?
Speaker 1: There?
Speaker 2: There are the outside of probably are there, Okay, but
Speaker 2: in Ohio anymore? I don't know, man, where I grew up.
Speaker 2: My grandparents lived in this little town called Middleports in
Speaker 2: Meg's County up in southeast Ohio, and they had the
Speaker 2: absolute best pool ever Middleport pool. It was it was
Speaker 2: the world's at the time whatever largest above ground pool.
Speaker 2: And it was above ground, but it was a massive
Speaker 2: It was this massive concrete just mass. And they had
Speaker 2: the highest high board that it was. How about that?
Speaker 1: It was phenomenal. It was a cool place, the.
Speaker 2: World's highest above ground pool. Yeah, the world's biggest middleport pool.
Speaker 2: Well man, how about that? And we always rode my
Speaker 2: cousins and I rode our bikes there, and that that
Speaker 2: high board was intimid.
Speaker 1: One point six billion though for the for the powerball
Speaker 1: jack you going? Do you ever?
Speaker 2: Do you ever play the lottery when it's My wife
Speaker 2: always says, and she might be listening right now, and
Speaker 2: I know she's got a couple of stops to make
Speaker 2: before she goes home. She gotta get your Christmas She's
Speaker 2: all get a powerball ticket. She gets them, and then
Speaker 2: we pray, we pray over Oh I get oh man,
Speaker 2: I gotta get your son or daughter gets a video
Speaker 2: of that YouTube praying over the lottery ticket.
Speaker 1: I can't hurt hey. If the almighty wants to wants
Speaker 1: to look dot them with favor upon me, Oh I
Speaker 1: love to send me that one point six billion.
Speaker 2: I will, I will accept it and the spirit. But
Speaker 2: it's all that's awesome. I mean, really, what do you
Speaker 2: do with that kind of money? One point it says
Speaker 2: the cash value is seven hundred and thirty five seven
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five point three million. I'll pay off
Speaker 2: your bills and give give a big chunk away. At
Speaker 2: that point, though, don't you take it? If they pay
Speaker 2: it out over what it is, twenty twenty thirty years,
Speaker 2: whatever it is, I think you take the check, don't
Speaker 2: don't you take it because because then, I mean, I
Speaker 2: know I'm never going to run on the money for
Speaker 2: the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: So you're this point, you're this point in the game.
Speaker 2: You're saying take the payment. They're saying take the one
Speaker 2: time payment. No, I'm saying, take the annual payments. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because that's still a lot of money.
Speaker 1: We'll just in then throw it in the bank and
Speaker 1: draw interest on it. Though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, but then you know, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm probably not going to live to be over one
Speaker 2: hundred years old. But see, then why would you want
Speaker 2: to take then the well, I don't know, I take
Speaker 2: it all now, I don't know. I'd have to if
Speaker 2: I if I won, I would sit down and seriously
Speaker 2: you pray about it. Look at all the pros and cons.
Speaker 2: You know, have me get some advice stuff like that.
Speaker 2: If if yeah, it's a good idea.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: I always like to write those out. And there's a
Speaker 2: big decision. Makes your pros list and the cons list,
Speaker 2: you know, right, write a nice check Austin no more
Speaker 2: because he deserves it. Would you donate? Would you just
Speaker 2: out of the goodness of your heart, donate money to
Speaker 2: I hurt?
Speaker 1: No, not, come on if I hurt one. It's funny.
Speaker 2: It's funny you mentioned that because I was listening today.
Speaker 2: You don't have a heart for and and and Brian
Speaker 2: Combs did a story about the Cincinnati Cyclones may may
Speaker 2: wind up going on strike and he, uh, the what
Speaker 2: is it EHL coast? He said, the average e HL
Speaker 2: player makes about twenty grand a season. That sounds about right.
Speaker 2: That's not much. No, but that's that's not much. And
Speaker 2: I was thinking about that. I was thinking about that,
Speaker 2: and and I was this day, and this goes back
Speaker 2: several years. I was at at a golf event. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we were playing with a number of players from
Speaker 2: the Cyclones and the one guy I was playing with,
Speaker 2: actually there's two Cyclones in our group, and I made
Speaker 2: a bet with this dude. I was on a par
Speaker 2: three closest to the pin for ten bucks. Okay, So
Speaker 2: I beat him on the I got him closest to
Speaker 2: the pin. Then where we play a few more holes
Speaker 2: and he says, you want to go double or nothing
Speaker 2: on that on that closest to the pin. I said, well,
Speaker 2: you still haven't paid me for the first one yet.
Speaker 2: He said, we'll go double or nothing. I said, okay,
Speaker 2: and I beat him on that one too, and he
Speaker 2: never paid me. At that point, he owed me twenty
Speaker 2: bucks and he never paid me.
Speaker 1: Now I know, why.
Speaker 2: Do you ever go to a Cyclones games? Yeah, a
Speaker 2: lot of Cyclones games are great. But coming up in
Speaker 2: the top of the hour, Steve Good is going to
Speaker 2: be here. Big story we were talking about over the weekend.
Speaker 2: Of course, the Epstein Finals came out. Yeah, so we're
Speaker 2: going to get his take on that. And then have
Speaker 2: you seen some of the photos that accompanied Epstein Finals?
Speaker 1: Yes, I saw a lot.
Speaker 2: I saw the picture of Bill Clinton in a hot tub,
Speaker 2: a lot of Bill Clinton relaxing in a hot tub.
Speaker 2: I saw him working on his breastroke in the in
Speaker 2: the swimming pool, wasn't there was where he was dressed
Speaker 2: in some kind of Oh I think we've all seen
Speaker 2: that one before though.
Speaker 1: Oh was that okay? The famous blue dress? And is
Speaker 1: that what it was? Yeah, it's in there's looks like
Speaker 1: some traditional gears. I don't know he's it.
Speaker 11: So one.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, have you seen the some of the AI
Speaker 2: videos of Bill Clinton? Have you seen some of those?
Speaker 11: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can't. We can't share those on the air,
Speaker 2: but I have those are those are goals? All right, Austin.
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Speaker 1: a couple of big stories that are breaking right now.
Speaker 2: One is the release of the Epstein files. The other
Speaker 2: is the Hamilton County Corner. Doctor Laximi Schmarco put out
Speaker 2: a statement today indicating that the woman who was killed
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety four and had the case well, the
Speaker 2: man who was found guilty of killing the woman in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four, Elwood Jones Connie Pillach dismissed the case
Speaker 2: in the murder of Rhoda Nathan happened at a Blue
Speaker 2: Ash hotel and just unbelievable. And then it looks like
Speaker 2: it looks like, based on what the corner is saying,
Speaker 2: that the prosecutor made a pretty big mistake. It certainly
Speaker 2: looks that way. But in any case, to break down
Speaker 2: both of these cases is our good buddy Steve Gooden
Speaker 2: and Steve Gooden, thanks for being here in Happy holidays
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Epstein files first, and you know,
Speaker 2: you know, we've got a lot a lot of photos here.
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton turns up in a lot of these photos.
Speaker 2: Some of these are are fairly salacious.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: I don't know how much of the Epstein files you
Speaker 2: have seen, but what you've seen so far, it looks like, Okay,
Speaker 2: they're out there, so.
Speaker 1: What well, it's terrible. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 12: This release, if anything, is just going to further all
Speaker 12: the conspiracy theories and just keep this alive.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think this is going to be. Like
Speaker 1: I've said before, this is kind of like the Kennedy assassination.
Speaker 12: It will always be a question mark because there are
Speaker 12: so many powerful people ex presidents, heads of giant corporations
Speaker 12: that are teammate people who were on and off that island.
Speaker 12: And the more we see of the files, the worse
Speaker 12: it gets. So right now you can ext go on
Speaker 12: Justice dot gov and search this latest release. So if
Speaker 12: you remember the most of the judges who oversaw the
Speaker 12: grand jury investigations twenty thirty years ago when when the
Speaker 12: first child sex trafficking stuff came to life, those they
Speaker 12: have unsealed the grand jury information and now Congress has
Speaker 12: mandated that the rest of the files be released. They
Speaker 12: are being released in big chunks. There's some controversy there
Speaker 12: as one of Trump's personal lawyers is now working at
Speaker 12: the Justice Department and is in charge of redacting some
Speaker 12: of the information. There's obviously young young people and the
Speaker 12: victims unfortunately keep getting younger as we see from these photographs.
Speaker 12: You know, whose identities have to be redacted and removed.
Speaker 12: So of course there will always be people claiming that
Speaker 12: because a former Trump lawyer is involved, that somehow who's
Speaker 12: getting favorable treatment. We don't know that to be the case,
Speaker 12: but that will always be I think something out there
Speaker 12: that is lingering. But you know, what we're seeing is,
Speaker 12: for the first time Epstein really involved in straight up
Speaker 12: child pornography with much younger children than what we had
Speaker 12: seen before. I mean, I mean, what we saw before
Speaker 12: was a guy who seemed to be chasing after girls
Speaker 12: in their teens, which is disgusting and wrong, but it was.
Speaker 12: But now we're seeing like child pornography allegations and photos
Speaker 12: of him with children well under ten that it's just absolutely,
Speaker 12: you know, vile. And then the question, of course becomes
Speaker 12: which of these people, the Bill Clintons, the Bill Gates,
Speaker 12: the Donald Trumps, who knew what win when they were
Speaker 12: on this island. And of course it's a totally private island.
Speaker 12: It's in the Virgin Islands, but the entirety of the
Speaker 12: island was a private resident so you know it really
Speaker 12: it would have been very difficult for law enforcement to
Speaker 12: get on there without a warrant even then, So you know,
Speaker 12: it's going to be one of those things where we'll
Speaker 12: probably never know totally what happened.
Speaker 1: But the more we learn, the worse it looks.
Speaker 2: Can uh you bring up an interesting point here, knowing
Speaker 2: that this is not this island is not an American island,
Speaker 2: and then you throw on top of that the release
Speaker 2: we're seeing more and more younger children. Can the families
Speaker 2: of those children or those children themselves now who probably
Speaker 2: some of them are we grown up now?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 2: Do they have any legal recourse and all this or
Speaker 2: do these do the release of these of these files
Speaker 2: allow them to now turn around and sue someone or
Speaker 2: have any kind of uh legal uh legal standing on anything?
Speaker 12: Well, they would if there was anything left to get.
Speaker 12: I mean, it's gonna be kind of hard. I mean,
Speaker 12: that's why they went after this galas Maxwell lady. I
Speaker 12: mean she's I mean, obviously Epstein is dead, uh, you know,
Speaker 12: committed suicide in prison. There will always be people, I
Speaker 12: think thinking that he uh was murdered. I mean, we
Speaker 12: don't know what the what the truth is. But that's
Speaker 12: another part of this that's always going to be a
Speaker 12: question mark and lend itself to conspiracy theories, but no, absolutely,
Speaker 12: a lot of those young folks who are now adults,
Speaker 12: almost all of them, I think would have to be
Speaker 12: adults by now, would have some grounds to sue. Most
Speaker 12: states now, and in the federal system there really is
Speaker 12: no statute of limitations on child sex abuse, so they
Speaker 12: could still sue, but it's just unclear what assets are
Speaker 12: still there after the fans got done with him and
Speaker 12: with Maxwell. You know, really where his estate is, you know,
Speaker 12: it's not really you know clear what's there and what
Speaker 12: hasn't already been seized and taken. So yes, they've got
Speaker 12: a right to sue, but where they would go with it,
Speaker 12: I don't know the bringing criminal charges they can and
Speaker 12: died a dead man. But one of the things that's
Speaker 12: so heartbreaking about is you do have in this new
Speaker 12: tranch of documents, you have a complaint made back I
Speaker 12: think all the way back in nineteen ninety eight I
Speaker 12: believe it was, or not even ninety six. I can't recall.
Speaker 12: We're one of his former employees. One of Epstein's former
Speaker 12: employees said, look, there's child pornography here, and the way
Speaker 12: he's looking and acting around my daughter is scaring me.
Speaker 12: I'm not working here anymore. Someone please look into this.
Speaker 12: It was a letter she wrote to the FBI, and
Speaker 12: it looks as though there was absolutely no action taken.
Speaker 12: So you know, it's you know, for these we don't
Speaker 12: know how many victims there were. I mean, we know
Speaker 12: what he ultimately, you know, plug guilty to is probably
Speaker 12: the tip of the iceberg. You know, he's sitting there
Speaker 12: in a US territory, but on a private island with
Speaker 12: no real law enforcement, flogged back and forth and really
Speaker 12: able to do whatever he wanted to do. And of course,
Speaker 12: for me, the tantalyzing you questions will always be was
Speaker 12: he somehow or another blackmailing these wealthy and powerful people
Speaker 12: who are on and off the island, who either had
Speaker 12: knowledge or were somehow implicated. We'll probably never know that truth,
Speaker 12: but that's always what Epstein's going to stand for in
Speaker 12: people's mind. It's going to be kind of shorthand for
Speaker 12: you know, very powerful people potentially being black.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think you might have just answered
Speaker 1: this question.
Speaker 2: But it's as far as I'm concerned, and I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people in this case, I don't care
Speaker 2: about the pictures. I don't care about the you know,
Speaker 2: the files and all that stuff. All all I care
Speaker 2: all I care about is if there were individuals who
Speaker 2: engaged in this contact with this this uh with who
Speaker 2: engage with young kids, in this activity with young kids,
Speaker 2: then they need to be held accountable.
Speaker 1: Brought to justice, brought to justice.
Speaker 2: And Ton absolutely, does this get us any further down
Speaker 2: that road in your opinion?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it could.
Speaker 12: I mean, it could potentially open something up there. And
Speaker 12: I'll just tell you though, I mean, I was on
Speaker 12: back when I was a prosecutor here in Hamilton County.
Speaker 12: I was actually on the child pornography task Force, and
Speaker 12: I learned firstand those cases can.
Speaker 1: Be very hard to bring.
Speaker 12: It's hard to get cooperating witnesses, it's hard to get
Speaker 12: people who have really strong memories of what happened as children.
Speaker 12: Even child pornography can be difficult to uh, you know,
Speaker 12: to prosecute, particularly in the federal law, because it actually
Speaker 12: has to show not just children in a state of undress,
Speaker 12: it has to show children engaged in some sort of
Speaker 12: sexual contact. So there's a big spectrum of stuff that
Speaker 12: can be pretty terrible and perverted, but almost really hard
Speaker 12: to prosecute. So it's still tough you've still got to
Speaker 12: have people who come forward as live witnesses, who have
Speaker 12: specific recollections. That's one of the reasons these people are
Speaker 12: so vile who prey on children, because they know that
Speaker 12: a lot of people don't believe them, or they lack
Speaker 12: the vocabulary to really articulate what happened to them. Some
Speaker 12: of them don't even totally understand what's happening because they
Speaker 12: have no context for it. So it's you know, prosecuting
Speaker 12: these people can be very, very, very difficult, particularly when
Speaker 12: the time has passed, so.
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't help.
Speaker 12: Perhaps it does, but it's it's still going to require
Speaker 12: live witnesses to come forward. And again, you know, he's dead,
Speaker 12: so the odds of anyone being him being prosecuted is
Speaker 12: really tough. And everyone else is very lawyered up and
Speaker 12: very distant. There are people, you know, like the folks
Speaker 12: like Alan Dershowitz and Bill Clinton, the people that we
Speaker 12: now see are there over and over in these photographs,
Speaker 12: clearly much more friendly with Epstein than they ever let on.
Speaker 12: Everyone has put a lot of distance between them over
Speaker 12: the years. I mean, there's the photo that's circulating with
Speaker 12: the Clinton in the pool with Maxwell, and then they
Speaker 12: all look like they know each other pretty pretty well.
Speaker 1: So I was surprised to see Well and Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: Michael unbelievable. So, Steve Good, let me ask you a
Speaker 2: shift shifting gears here to to the local story. Now,
Speaker 2: as a former prosecutor, can you speak to the honesty
Speaker 2: and integrity with which Joe Dieters ran that office when
Speaker 2: he was in charge of that office?
Speaker 11: Oh my god, Well that's a that's a you can
Speaker 11: on it, but I'll do it. Look, I'll just be
Speaker 11: I'll just cut right to the chase. Look, I was
Speaker 11: privileged to work there early in my career for five years.
Speaker 11: Was in the fellow me the vision for.
Speaker 1: A lot of that time.
Speaker 12: I'm telling you everybody that worked there when I was there,
Speaker 12: you know, the the idea that someone would frame someone
Speaker 12: or let someone go to prisident based upon a sloppy investigation.
Speaker 1: Is just absurd.
Speaker 12: Everybody there was working over time to make sure and
Speaker 12: bending over backwards to make sure that they were fair.
Speaker 12: In fact, I remember when I was helping run the
Speaker 12: grand jury briefly how angry police officers were at us
Speaker 12: sometimes because we wouldn't indict people because we were giving
Speaker 12: people the benefit of the doubt, you know, even then.
Speaker 12: So it was extraordinarily frustrating for me to hear about
Speaker 12: this new prosecutor basically kind of throwing the you know,
Speaker 12: the old team under the bus. It's just not the
Speaker 12: way it's supposed to be. And I and look, I
Speaker 12: know Mark Pete Meyer personally. He was one of Joe's
Speaker 12: main assistants. Who was you know, who was actually involved
Speaker 12: in the Elwood Jones prosecution. And he's just somebody who
Speaker 12: a lot of us younger lawyers considered a mentor, a
Speaker 12: person who absolutely you know, a working class background. He
Speaker 12: wasn't this elite kind of person that they make him
Speaker 12: sound here in some of this press coverage. The idea
Speaker 12: that he would you know, a person with a real conscience.
Speaker 12: The idea that he would preside over something where someone
Speaker 12: would go and sit on death row with without any
Speaker 12: kind of evidence or you know, hide evidence and so
Speaker 12: forth as being accused here is just absurd. And I
Speaker 12: think what came out today really underlines that these folks
Speaker 12: had a great case against Elwood Jones. My personal opinion
Speaker 12: is that he killed that woman and was being was
Speaker 12: correctly brought to justice. There were no other viable suspects
Speaker 12: that I ever heard about, and just trying to hang
Speaker 12: everything on this forensic evidence that now turned out to
Speaker 12: be not what we thought in regards to the hepatitis diagnosis,
Speaker 12: I mean, and the whole thing's certain. I mean, look
Speaker 12: as I understand that. I mean, well, first, back in
Speaker 12: nineteen ninety four, there were almost no DNA testing, you know,
Speaker 12: was being done in cases because the technology existed, but
Speaker 12: it was prohibitively expensive back then. So the idea that
Speaker 12: there was no is not some scandal, but there was
Speaker 12: never any DNA in cases that far back. So you
Speaker 12: had to look at things like, well, he had a
Speaker 12: defensive bite wound, he had the woman's necklace in his toolbox,
Speaker 12: he had a key and kind of access to room.
Speaker 12: You know, those are the sorts of things that you
Speaker 12: looked at and that the jury, by the way, found compelling,
Speaker 12: not just the prosecutor. Twelve people sat and heard this
Speaker 12: trial and they were convinced beyond a reasonable doubt. So
Speaker 12: you know, I think this is just a sad thing,
Speaker 12: and I think this is a case where the prosecutor
Speaker 12: and some of the other folks involved, they're putting this
Speaker 12: kind of ideology over the facts, you know, the ideas
Speaker 12: that you know, it's a corrupt, dirty system, you know,
Speaker 12: but that's not the case.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I mean you kind of touched on what
Speaker 2: on my question there than Steve was like, you know,
Speaker 2: I get it. This is a Democrat prosecutor. Now Joe
Speaker 2: Dieter's Republican Republican you know, control the prosecutor's officer years.
Speaker 1: None of that really should matter whatever, So.
Speaker 2: Why why does why did Pilich take the extraordinary step
Speaker 2: of then making this claim against against Deaders and his
Speaker 2: team when like that, it seems like that was completely
Speaker 2: unnecessary to even say that, Like you could say, hey,
Speaker 2: from what my my research and what my team has
Speaker 2: looked at this case, and we decided that there was
Speaker 2: not enough evidence there to convict this person. Done, end
Speaker 2: of story, and here's the decision or whatever. Why take
Speaker 2: that extraordinary step then to then just absolutely throw Joe
Speaker 2: Deeters and his his folks under the bus when you know,
Speaker 2: is there some kind of political under underneath underneath all
Speaker 2: this play for her or what?
Speaker 12: Well, you know, I don't know what's in her heart
Speaker 12: and mind on this. I mean, obviously I don't really
Speaker 12: know her very well or hardly at all. Really, yeh,
Speaker 12: can art you just say? It sure looks that way though,
Speaker 12: I'll tell you, you know, it's so funny. I mean, yes,
Speaker 12: when I worked there when Joe was prosecutor, obviously he's
Speaker 12: a Republican and he ran for office, but we really
Speaker 12: didn't think of ourselves as political actors. I mean we
Speaker 12: really didn't. I mean, he had people working there of
Speaker 12: all political stripes. There were Democrats there, there were independents there,
Speaker 12: there are people all across the spectrum, and we really
Speaker 12: didn't think.
Speaker 1: Of it that way.
Speaker 12: I mean, we thought we really were concerned. You know,
Speaker 12: we're human beings, well as prosecutors are human beings.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 12: It wasn't just all about getting the conviction. It was
Speaker 12: about trying to do the right thing. There were times
Speaker 12: when we would reduce cases because we thought it was
Speaker 12: the right thing to do. I personally was someone who
Speaker 12: had great sympathy for people who were drug addicted. In
Speaker 12: the cases I handled, A had zero sympathy for the
Speaker 12: drug dealers, but for the people who were addicted, we
Speaker 12: would often bend over backwards to try to make sure
Speaker 12: that they had a treatment option or something. So this
Speaker 12: idea that it was just this assembly line of sending
Speaker 12: poor people to jail just for the sake of doing it.
Speaker 12: I mean, that's wrong, and I think that's what's informing
Speaker 12: some of these public comments. And I think she's set
Speaker 12: the city up or the county rather for an enormous lawsuit,
Speaker 12: because she's just saying, as you noted, she's just saying, look,
Speaker 12: there were some evidence we didn't know about her evidence
Speaker 12: we wish we had. She actually said, I don't I'm
Speaker 12: not convinced he did it, and I don't think she's
Speaker 12: reading those files the same way I am.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 12: We'll see what happens. But the probably more litigation of
Speaker 12: the taxpayer's writing more texts.
Speaker 1: All right, Steve Good, we got we got a run,
Speaker 1: but thank you for the time. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Merry Christmas to you and yours, and all the best
Speaker 2: for a great new year, and we will be talking
Speaker 2: again before too long. Hey, Mary, Christmas, guys, Christmas right,
Speaker 2: you and the family, see Steve Good, and thank you
Speaker 2: very much. Time for trafficking Wethers together on seven hundred.
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Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW command center. Austin, let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: open the phone lines.
Speaker 2: I don't think we have any more guests for like
Speaker 2: an hour from now, so we it's just me and
Speaker 2: you see I'm down there.
Speaker 1: I'm down the Epstein Epstein rabbit hole. Now we talked
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 2: Are you scrolling through some photos there? Photos? Stories? It's
Speaker 2: just yeah, it's yeah. The one, the one that shocked
Speaker 2: me was Bill Clinton standing there with Michael Jackson. Yes,
Speaker 2: and then you got Diana Ross here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I would not suggest that Diana Ross I
Speaker 2: mean right, well, I mean but see the Diana Ross
Speaker 2: pete because you're like, wait, what yeah? That that that
Speaker 2: I think probably almost that's a shock. But see, but
Speaker 2: see that I think almost tells the bigger picture here
Speaker 2: of just how deep and far and why.
Speaker 1: Does this thing go? If Diana Ross is in there,
Speaker 1: who else is involved here? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean that this is a stratosphere, a
Speaker 2: world that I will never inhabit. It's hard to compose
Speaker 2: win the one point six billion, But even then you're
Speaker 2: you're still not really But I just I just think
Speaker 2: that their entire way of looking at life, living life
Speaker 2: is different than than normal people. Well, and it's interesting
Speaker 2: that we're talking about this because I was I was
Speaker 2: on YouTube last night and you'd like to watch news
Speaker 2: clips and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Did you go down the rabbit hole? Well? I got
Speaker 1: down the I got down the U.
Speaker 2: I got down the PBS front Line rabbit hole on
Speaker 2: front Line is now when it comes to PBS not
Speaker 2: not a huge huge fan, but I am a huge
Speaker 2: fan of the frontline investigative work. And they did a
Speaker 2: it's whatever you know, it was on a on a
Speaker 2: stream or something. The guy's name that narrates those gosh,
Speaker 2: I mean how about that? I mean, people would kill
Speaker 2: for pipes like that. Well, just listen to his voice alone. Maybe,
Speaker 2: But I ended up watching one on Made Off and
Speaker 2: it's the concept of it is just the just being
Speaker 2: that you thought you just you're you think you're untouchable
Speaker 2: and that you can do You get in this world
Speaker 2: of wealth and you've been able to do this forever
Speaker 2: and ever and ever, and then you just think you're untouchable.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure that's the same elements of this that
Speaker 2: was with money with him in a Ponzi scheme, and
Speaker 2: here this was with sex and sex trafficking, and you
Speaker 2: just you get into that world and you throw the
Speaker 2: money piece in there, and that you're protected by all
Speaker 2: these celebrities and powerful people in politics and business, and
Speaker 2: it is, like you said, there again, it's hard. It's
Speaker 2: a world that is hard to comprehend.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 1: Or maybe you think you can you can, you can
Speaker 1: pay lawyers so much money that they'll they'll keep they'll
Speaker 1: find ways to keep you from prison. Maybe, I mean,
Speaker 1: I I have no idea, I have no idea what
Speaker 1: what what these people think? But the other thing, and
Speaker 1: I want to thank Steve Gooden? How happened to Steve Gooden?
Speaker 1: Is uh?
Speaker 2: I mean that that guy is I love listening when
Speaker 2: he's on our show, when he's on other shows. I
Speaker 2: never turned the radio off when he's on because and
Speaker 2: what he said about Joe Dieters and the way Joe
Speaker 2: Dieters ran his office and the fact that Joe Dieters
Speaker 2: had to uh in a sense, take off his robe
Speaker 2: from the Supreme Court bench to come down and defend
Speaker 2: himself right against the current prosecutor Pillach because she sought
Speaker 2: an extraordinary step or but you know what, good on him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, he believed, truly believed that. You know, this
Speaker 2: was a time where he needed to speak to the
Speaker 2: media because you know, Supreme Court justices rarely due, but
Speaker 2: this was one of those times. And you know, Dan,
Speaker 2: you you covered news and politics for many many years
Speaker 2: in this town. I covered politics for several years for
Speaker 2: the Inquiry. Never never, and I covered Joe Deeters. You
Speaker 2: covered Joe Deeters. Never did I hear of anything along
Speaker 2: these lines. And know people in this office and you
Speaker 2: knew people in his office and you know people around
Speaker 2: him and all the political folks like never did ever,
Speaker 2: was there ever any inkling of a whiff of like
Speaker 2: the Joe Deeters would do something like this? He be
Speaker 2: and ag end I'm saying this from my own personal
Speaker 2: you know, my own personal experience of reporting. And you know,
Speaker 2: you you were talking about it as well. And it's
Speaker 2: just like, and you know, I'm not sitting here like
Speaker 2: you know, I'm just I'm just again, I'm speaking from
Speaker 2: my own experience of reporting, and I've never I've heard
Speaker 2: people criticize Joe Eaters. Sure, I've never heard. I've never
Speaker 2: heard anything like that. And you would think with the
Speaker 2: amount of people that you between you and I, that
Speaker 2: we've covered through the years, you would have caught some
Speaker 2: kind of wind of something, Oh, you know, this case here,
Speaker 2: in this case there, and never.
Speaker 1: But Joe Dieters, he wrote.
Speaker 2: He wrote a letter to Connie Pillach on December seventeenth,
Speaker 2: after she announced that she was going to release him
Speaker 2: from prison and dismiss with prejudice the case against him,
Speaker 2: And here's part of what he wrote to her. He wrote,
Speaker 2: had you chosen to release Jones after thirty years of
Speaker 2: incarceration based on mercy or policy considerations, that would have
Speaker 2: been your prerogative as an election that official. Reasonable people
Speaker 2: could disagree, but it would have been within your authority.
Speaker 2: What is unforgivable is attempting to justify that decision through
Speaker 2: falsehoods and by maligning the reputations of dedicated public servants.
Speaker 2: And that's that's what bothers him more than anything else,
Speaker 2: is the suggestion that for political purpose or any other reason,
Speaker 2: that he would cut corners short cut a case, Uh
Speaker 2: sought to do an injustice by having an innocent man
Speaker 2: go to prison for whatever reason. That's and that is
Speaker 2: not something that Joe Dieters would ever Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: ever consider he said it. Well, then we asked Steve
Speaker 2: Goodin about it. He, I mean, Joe Dieters in his
Speaker 2: letters said it said it like reasonable people can disagree,
Speaker 2: and that what what and you know, hey, uh, this
Speaker 2: prosecutor has reviewed the case and sees a hey that
Speaker 2: I don't the the I don't see enough evidence here
Speaker 2: or whatever to you know, this should be dropped. He
Speaker 2: should be released from prison. Okay, but I don't understand.
Speaker 2: I don't get that. And again I'm I you know,
Speaker 2: I know local politics. And that's the part about it
Speaker 2: that I'm kind of like, I don't like, I don't
Speaker 2: understand what that step of saying that has to do
Speaker 2: with with anything here, right, because you're right, like you look,
Speaker 2: you said you like she said all the reasons why
Speaker 2: you know, hey, based upon the evidence or lack thereof
Speaker 2: or whatever you know looking at the case, Okay, but
Speaker 2: then to take that extra step, you're like huh and
Speaker 2: I and again, I look at these things a lot
Speaker 2: of times through especially a Democrat prosecutor and a Republican
Speaker 2: former prosecutor now high a Supreme Court judge, like what
Speaker 2: what would what would cause all that to you know,
Speaker 2: that that step to be taken in all this well,
Speaker 2: and then the other thing is had Connie Pillat, as
Speaker 2: she said, conducted this exhaustive review. And I would think
Speaker 2: if I were in her position and I was considering
Speaker 2: releasing this man from prison, I would at least contact
Speaker 2: Joe Deeters and say, look, I've been looking at this case.
Speaker 1: I've got X, Y and Z. I know you were
Speaker 1: the prosecutor at the time.
Speaker 2: I would, and I would, I would want my ideas
Speaker 2: to withstand his scrutiny, because you know what, if he
Speaker 2: made a mistake, if he came up and said, you
Speaker 2: know what, we didn't consider this, or we made it,
Speaker 2: we overlooked this, or there is something it is not
Speaker 2: right here, then then if he can find a way
Speaker 2: to be in agreement with him and set an innocent
Speaker 2: man free, then Joe Dieters is the kind of guy
Speaker 2: who would do that. But if if it's you, and
Speaker 2: you are making this kind of decision that is going
Speaker 2: to change this man's life, in the life of his
Speaker 2: family and everyone who knows him, and not only his family,
Speaker 2: but the victims family as well. Don't you want to
Speaker 2: be right about it? Don't you want your ideas to
Speaker 2: be able to withstand scrutiny? Yeah, And and why she
Speaker 2: couldn't even contact Joe Dieters or Pete Meyer and say, look,
Speaker 2: here's what I'm working with. Tell me where I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: And if they can't find a hole in that, then
Speaker 2: that that to me tells me that that you are
Speaker 2: doing justice, which she claims is she wants she wants
Speaker 2: to do justice. And this is well said Dan, And
Speaker 2: then this is separate from all that, like I and
Speaker 2: again this seems like a very extraordinary circumstance case here
Speaker 2: in the sense that I didn't even realize until all
Speaker 2: this came out. And again, I my my, my expertise
Speaker 2: are reporting is more on the political stuff and now
Speaker 2: I do sports, but like you know, not so much
Speaker 2: on the criminal justice side. So I'm always try to
Speaker 2: careful on whatever I.
Speaker 1: Say on that. But I only the piece.
Speaker 2: I didn't really even realize, like a prosecutor, it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter who the prosecutor is, a local prosecutor in the
Speaker 2: state of Ohio then has the ability to basically free
Speaker 2: someone from.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that. I agree, I did.
Speaker 3: I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that power existed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I always just say, I like, the governor has
Speaker 2: the ability to grant clemency to you know, anyone who's
Speaker 2: in prison. But you understand that. But I didn't realize
Speaker 2: a local prosecutor. I know that's not what it's called here,
Speaker 2: that that's not the term whatever, but essentially that's the
Speaker 2: same thing, right or No.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a I I did not know that.
Speaker 2: I mean with the case was tried in Hamilton County.
Speaker 2: She's the Hamilton County prosecutor. She dismissed the case. So
Speaker 2: so I don't I did not know. But then wouldn't
Speaker 2: that jo wouldn't wouldn't be to you to go back
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean again, it's fascinating. That was gonna
Speaker 2: be my next question if we would have had I'm
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Speaker 2: Let's go to Mason. We'll say hey to Brett. Do
Speaker 2: we got Steve and west Union Brett seven hundred.
Speaker 1: Wiw Hey, guys, how you doing today? All right? Brett?
Speaker 1: What's up? Hey?
Speaker 10: Well, first of all, I just want to say that
Speaker 10: I did have some dealings with Joe Dieters in the
Speaker 10: past and with a grand jury, and he's probably one
Speaker 10: of the most solid law enforcement individuals I've ever ran
Speaker 10: across my life. So I just want to make sure
Speaker 10: I said that and in conjunction with what you guys
Speaker 10: were talking about. But what I thought about today is
Speaker 10: is the Epstein thing actually a team of people. I
Speaker 10: was part of a team of people that worked on
Speaker 10: the Epstein files and things many years ago when he
Speaker 10: right after he got out of jail in Florida.
Speaker 1: But did you guys know that you hold on stop
Speaker 1: right there before you any further a. So you worked
Speaker 1: on the Epstein files in what sort of capacity I worked?
Speaker 10: I was very good friends with with a guy named
Speaker 10: Isaac Caapi. Isaac Cappy was a Hollywood actor who came
Speaker 10: out and started naming people on the Epstein list that
Speaker 10: he knew of people that had yeah, you know, had
Speaker 10: you know been in his circles, had you know, committed
Speaker 10: crimes against you know, young children and things, and uh
Speaker 10: he uh. He suicided himself off of a overpass by
Speaker 10: the way of Phoenix several years ago.
Speaker 1: Interesting, are you are you your capacity is as a lawyer?
Speaker 10: No, my capacity was as a kind of a special investigator.
Speaker 10: Like for example, yeah, like I went to I went
Speaker 10: to New Hope, Pennsylvania to see if Maxwell was staying there.
Speaker 1: Things like that.
Speaker 10: But she has a submarine license. What now, Julane Gerlaine
Speaker 10: Maxwell has a submarine license.
Speaker 2: I read yesterday where she's a licensed helicopter pilot. Also, huh, yep.
Speaker 2: I saw at the controls of a hell.
Speaker 10: Hug yep and submarine and they had a small submarine
Speaker 10: that they used a little Saint James. They had a
Speaker 10: submarine docking area. And this is this is something you
Speaker 10: guys can look up. It's a known thing.
Speaker 1: How many people know how to drive a submarine? Right?
Speaker 10: And everybody talks about the flights onto the island, right, Well,
Speaker 10: it would be pretty easy to show up at a
Speaker 10: submarine with nobody knowing about it, wouldn't it?
Speaker 2: So Epstein if she picked them up someplace else. Here's
Speaker 2: the thing I have not read a ton. I'll be honest,
Speaker 2: I have not read a ton about the whole Epstein
Speaker 2: thing period.
Speaker 1: I just I and I said it before.
Speaker 2: All I want is the people who were engaging in
Speaker 2: this activity with these young people, if if they if
Speaker 2: if they harmed young people, I want them brought to justice.
Speaker 1: To me, that's pretty much. Yes.
Speaker 2: Hey, look, rich people, if they fly around, they have
Speaker 2: their fun, they do what they want. That fine and
Speaker 2: dandy all day long. But if you're you're committing crimes,
Speaker 2: then you need to be brought to justice. And to
Speaker 2: me that that's where it ends. But I did not
Speaker 2: know you, right, But they had a submarine.
Speaker 10: Yeah, And part of the problem is is that what
Speaker 10: a lot of people don't realize, you guys, is that
Speaker 10: there are things that go on that the normal papas
Speaker 10: doesn't understand. So we talk about these people committing crimes voluntarily.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately they do.
Speaker 10: There was a lot of blacknail going on and a
Speaker 10: lot of things going on good with unwilling participants, so
Speaker 10: to speak. And if you guys look up sculpamine. Sculpamine
Speaker 10: is something from South America. It's derived from a flower,
Speaker 10: from a plant. The people in Colombia are scared the
Speaker 10: death of it. But sculpamine is something that they can
Speaker 10: blow in your face. They can very easily administer it.
Speaker 10: You remember nothing, you remember zero, and you do exactly
Speaker 10: as you're told. There's instances where they do it to
Speaker 10: a guy, take him to his house. They bring up
Speaker 10: a moving van. He stands there and watches them move
Speaker 10: out all the stuff. The neighbors are like, hey, you moving. Yep,
Speaker 10: they do whatever you do, whatever you are told. That
Speaker 10: sounds like you remember zero. Yeah, that sounds devil dust.
Speaker 10: It's called devil dust down in Columbia.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 10: So you know you might have people, Yeah, you might
Speaker 10: have people that are you know, on the up and
Speaker 10: up and they actually are drugged, right, and they're putting
Speaker 10: in certain compromising positions, film videos, whatever, and then you.
Speaker 1: Know they wake up. I didn't do that. Yeah you did?
Speaker 1: How about that?
Speaker 10: So that's something people need to look at too. Yeah,
Speaker 10: there's a lot of different facis. But basically the Epstein
Speaker 10: thing was to lure in people that were, you know, pedophiles,
Speaker 10: not pedophiles get things on. He was basically massade. Julaane
Speaker 10: Maxwell's father was Massad. He actually had a mysterious death
Speaker 10: on a yacht ride by himself, but the Prime Minister
Speaker 10: of Israel also said that her father had done more
Speaker 10: for Israel than most people had ever done. So there's
Speaker 10: a lot of politics involved, a lot of massade, a
Speaker 10: lot of different things. But yeah, yeah, it's it's it's
Speaker 10: it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 2: All right, Greg, Well, you've got something, You've got a
Speaker 2: ton of information there, and you told me something I
Speaker 2: had not heard before. So I thank you very much
Speaker 2: for that phone call. So Brett fam Mason is unloading
Speaker 2: the big information there. What do you think about that?
Speaker 2: What's that stuff they blow in your face? Devil dust?
Speaker 2: Is that devil dust? I don't think I want any
Speaker 2: part of that. So, like, I don't know, let's go
Speaker 2: to West Union and say hey to Steve, Steve seven
Speaker 2: hundred wlwyd Jason, Christmas, you got Christmas brother?
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 10: That was hard to follow.
Speaker 2: That's why I wanted to get to you, Steve. Dan's asking, man, like,
Speaker 2: let's get on, Steve. I mean that that guy said
Speaker 2: a lot of fantastic stuff. So it's it's a dust.
Speaker 2: They blow it in your face and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, you can't you can't remember anything, and you're
Speaker 2: but you're totally coherent, and you're and and then you're
Speaker 2: like hypnotized, so like fentanyl. I don't know, I don't
Speaker 2: I don't you know, the drugging, stay away.
Speaker 1: From the cover.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: But it sounds a little bit spook.
Speaker 11: Anyway, what I got is.
Speaker 4: The topping, the topping, what that's just this the the
Speaker 4: guy they let.
Speaker 2: Loose Jones Okay, all right, Elwood Jones the topic.
Speaker 4: And Connie Pillage the judge, you let him go?
Speaker 1: No, Connie Pillage is the prosecutor. Okay, whoever who is
Speaker 1: the judge? Let him go? Uh uh, I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to look that up. Well, you can let you know later,
Speaker 1: but I got it here. The judge on the case, good, good.
Speaker 4: Joe is amazing, and his office is amazing. It's impeccable
Speaker 4: and untoughtable. Now this judge, let this guy go. Merry Christmas. Okay,
Speaker 4: that's the biggest Christmas present this man will ever get.
Speaker 4: I don't know how old he is, but I sure
Speaker 4: wish that he would go as far away from Cincinnati
Speaker 4: as he possibly can. Change his name, and if his
Speaker 4: debauchery shows up again, I think street justice is going
Speaker 4: to take care of all.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, Steve, you're done. I mean we can't we can,
Speaker 1: we can't advocate for that kind of stuff. But now
Speaker 1: some people are going to take things too far. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is this is a legitimate issue.
Speaker 2: Though, yes, this guy was sentenced, found guilty by a
Speaker 2: jury of his peers, has been up and down the
Speaker 2: appeals process, and this prosecutor comes in and sees fit
Speaker 2: to dismiss the case and turn this guy into a
Speaker 2: free man. Which we were discussing before the last price.
Speaker 2: We did not know that prosecutors had that had that
Speaker 2: power to do that. So that's you know that that
Speaker 2: that'll be our homework, as Simon is, to learn more
Speaker 2: about that. Yes, all right, let's go to Nicole Nicole
Speaker 2: seven hundred w w Hey Nicole, Nicole going once? Oh
Speaker 2: so okay, well then you put her up there? All right,
Speaker 2: all right, what do you got?
Speaker 1: What do you got there? Big guy?
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to change the subject because I legitimately
Speaker 2: wanted to ask you, but I think we do need
Speaker 2: a little lighten it up a little bit.
Speaker 1: Uh, you get your Christmas shopping done? Yes? Yes?
Speaker 2: Well maybe yes, I thought I think we my wife
Speaker 2: and I, my wife and I, we do our We
Speaker 2: do our and we have done this ever since our
Speaker 2: kids have been little.
Speaker 1: One day a year. Uh, we we go out and
Speaker 1: we do our shop.
Speaker 2: We don't buy stuff online, although she does now she'll
Speaker 2: buy some stuff ahead of time.
Speaker 1: She does she do the Amazon Prime thing. She yeah,
Speaker 1: she does that. Yeah, I don't buy stuff online, but
Speaker 1: she but we were. We save money all year and
Speaker 1: then one day a year I agree to go shopping
Speaker 1: with her, and so I I know when it's going
Speaker 1: to happen. I can mentally prepare. Yes, we're out. We
Speaker 1: go out one day and we're in the store. We're
Speaker 1: in the stores all day, all day. We got our
Speaker 1: list of stuff we got to get, you know people
Speaker 1: we got to get stuff for and we go out
Speaker 1: and we get it all one day. We pay cash
Speaker 1: for everything and we so we don't we don't. We
Speaker 1: don't go to that. We don't use credit cards. One
Speaker 1: day and then we usually go have a nice dinner
Speaker 1: at the end of the day.
Speaker 2: Did and you see already did that this year. That
Speaker 2: was two Saturdays ago. Where'd you guys, where'd you go
Speaker 2: to dinner?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Well, we want to Uh we normally go to a steakhouse,
Speaker 2: but it was man, it was snowing, and that that's
Speaker 2: we had the big day. Yeah, so we stayed a
Speaker 2: little closer to home, went to a Mexican place and uh,
Speaker 2: you can never go wrong. What's going to that local.
Speaker 2: It was funny because we were we were in there
Speaker 2: and it's snowing, and people were coming in and we
Speaker 2: were talking about say, you know, and look, I always
Speaker 2: say this, and I've always said this that when it
Speaker 2: snows out. I was never one of those ones, even
Speaker 2: though I was reporting on the snow. I never said, hey,
Speaker 2: stay home, go slow, be careful, all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: because nobody's going to listen. I said, you got to
Speaker 2: figure out for yourself. Are you a good driver? And
Speaker 2: you have to judge your own driving ability. I'm pretty
Speaker 2: good driving in the snow. I don't worry about it
Speaker 2: that much.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: If but if you're not good in the snow, then
Speaker 2: they home recognize that. Yes, do us all a favor
Speaker 2: to yourself, a favor, no shame in that and let
Speaker 2: me let me, let me let this fifty thousand what
Speaker 2: mother flamethrower. No, there's a lot of y'all out there
Speaker 2: and greater Cincinnati that don't know how to drive in
Speaker 2: the snow. Me and me, having grown up in the
Speaker 2: country in southeast o High on the rolling Hills, learn
Speaker 2: how to drive in the snow. Then I lived in
Speaker 2: Minnesota for three years. How well do they clear the
Speaker 2: snow out there in Galla police?
Speaker 1: Not well? Not well? When they call schools off there,
Speaker 1: it's legit because I.
Speaker 2: Ride a bus forty five minutes one way every every
Speaker 2: day growing up in elementary school.
Speaker 1: Wow, So yeah, I mean that's rough.
Speaker 2: But here, I mean number one, we've gotten terrible at
Speaker 2: cleaning the roads generally speaking. I'm not picking on one
Speaker 2: municipality over the other. Uh, we just were not good
Speaker 2: at it anymore. It used to be, and I understand
Speaker 2: it doesn't. It doesn't seem to snow as much generally
Speaker 2: as it used to. Right well, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 2: we've had snow on the it's it's there's no snow
Speaker 2: on the ground today. But right when when you have
Speaker 2: those early December snowfalls like we had, I'm just dripping
Speaker 2: in my golf. I'm sitting here a little stumped. After
Speaker 2: a couple of calls there, I'm.
Speaker 1: A little rattled.
Speaker 2: Let's throw one more in here before we got to
Speaker 2: get to uh at Christmas shows, David Dayton, what's going.
Speaker 8: On, hey, guys?
Speaker 15: A couple of questions. I'm gonna play Devil's advocate on one. Okay,
Speaker 15: this stuff that Connie Pilligs is out there saying how
Speaker 15: they cheated, how they hid evidence. And I understand Joe
Speaker 15: Deeters coming down and wanting to clear things up and
Speaker 15: protect his reputation, but that would seem pretty slanderous to me.
Speaker 15: And if if it is him being adjust and him
Speaker 15: knowing them all, why isn't there a lawsuit filed against
Speaker 15: Connie Pillage and the prosecutor's office for those remarks?
Speaker 1: That would be my first question.
Speaker 2: Well, I would, I would say to that that look
Speaker 2: at Joe Deeters, his Joe Dieters has built his reputation
Speaker 2: on what he did in office, and his body of work,
Speaker 2: to my way of thinking, pretty much stands for itself.
Speaker 2: So he doesn't need to He doesn't need to escalate
Speaker 2: this any further. I mean, and maybe he's got that recourse.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but Dan.
Speaker 15: Devil's advocate again, if he was to do that, that
Speaker 15: would open up a whole thing on Discovery too.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the other the other component of this,
Speaker 2: and Dave, we got to run the other component of
Speaker 2: this is though by Connie Pillage saying what she said
Speaker 2: opens up Hamilton County to potential lawsuits as well, with
Speaker 2: people saying, hey, you know, we got to go back
Speaker 2: and look at these case and if we are wrongfully convicted,
Speaker 2: then we'll do some money, and that that could get very,
Speaker 2: very expensive.
Speaker 1: But all I got to say to that is Dave,
Speaker 1: thanks for a good call and for good question. Well
Speaker 1: Devil's advocate, there nothing wrong with that. Five two and
Speaker 1: we got to check a little traffic and weather together
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WW.
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Speaker 2: Here's the nine first one forecast. Light sprinkles, showers maybe
Speaker 2: moving through the tri state tonight. Nothing all that heavy
Speaker 2: We're going to have an overnight low fifties. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: forty three, not fifty six. Tomorrow's highest fifty six under
Speaker 2: mostly cloudy skies. Tomorrow night cloudy cool, the overnight low
Speaker 2: forty and then Christmas Eve we're looking at a high
Speaker 2: under cloudy skies of fifty six in maybe even in
Speaker 2: the sixties.
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Speaker 2: Dan Carroll in for Eddie and Rocky along with Jason Williams.
Speaker 2: I did our intro a little different that time.
Speaker 1: Are you okay with that? Totally fine?
Speaker 2: You looked a little dyspeptic over there. So wa other
Speaker 2: stuff that's going on in the news, and this is
Speaker 2: what is happening with Venezuela, and a lot of people
Speaker 2: are looking at that, and you've got the naval blockade
Speaker 2: going on. Of course, we know Trump has been attacking
Speaker 2: the drug boats, and now we got things going on
Speaker 2: with oil tankers. And then I look at the headlines
Speaker 2: from over the weekend and I see there's a hot
Speaker 2: pursuit of US Coast Guard chip chasing down an oil tanker.
Speaker 2: And to tell us more about that is Christiane Cordero
Speaker 2: of ABC News, and Christian, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: being here. What about this hot pursuit is that? Is
Speaker 2: that just a headline to draw interest or is there
Speaker 2: really a big chase going on in the high seas
Speaker 2: with our coast guard trying to chase down an oil tank.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean I think it's much more of the
Speaker 16: latter than the former. Dan Jason, great to be with
Speaker 16: you both. So this is the third vessel. I say
Speaker 16: that because this isn't just the first one, but it's
Speaker 16: actually the third vessel with ties of Venezuela in less
Speaker 16: than two weeks that the US has chased down and
Speaker 16: two have been successfully chased down and even seized. But
Speaker 16: this latest one we still have many questions on as
Speaker 16: far as has it actually been seized, is this chase
Speaker 16: still happening. But essentially, the US is saying that this
Speaker 16: vessel is operating illegally, that it's evading sanctions and flying
Speaker 16: a false flag, and therefore it has the right to
Speaker 16: do what it's doing. But as you kind of you know,
Speaker 16: alluded to, this does fit into the greater picture of
Speaker 16: things really escalating between the US and Venezuela Christian.
Speaker 2: It's funny to see like active pursuit of an oil tanker.
Speaker 2: That's a massive ship, right, and it's the body of
Speaker 2: water in the grand scheme of you know, I guess
Speaker 2: oceans and big massive bodies of waters in this world,
Speaker 2: it's not that big of an area.
Speaker 1: So is it hard to find? Has it been hard
Speaker 1: for the coast Guard to find the ship or what's
Speaker 1: what's going on there?
Speaker 16: Yeah, it's an interesting question. I have a feeling that
Speaker 16: the government knows more information about that than they have
Speaker 16: publicly shared, of course, and some of it just may
Speaker 16: be a lapse of you know, timing and communication. We
Speaker 16: expect to hear from the President really any minute now
Speaker 16: and possibly address that very question. But what we've seen
Speaker 16: in other examples, I mean, we've seen it be as
Speaker 16: over as helico US Forces Coast Guard tactical teams repelling
Speaker 16: from a helicopter and boarding some of the depths of
Speaker 16: these oil tankers. So to your point, this is a
Speaker 16: huge vessel. It's certainly much much bigger than any of
Speaker 16: the twenty eight suspected drug smuggling boats that we've seen
Speaker 16: get targeted through airstrikes from the administration over the past
Speaker 16: several months, and because of that and several other reasons,
Speaker 16: it is a really big step in what the administration
Speaker 16: has been saying for a while now, which is that
Speaker 16: they're going after Nicholas Maduro and why they're going after
Speaker 16: him is up for interpretation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of the analysis that I've seen and that
Speaker 2: I've read is that this is a play to put
Speaker 2: pressure on China because much of this oil, if not
Speaker 2: all of it, is bound for China eventually and maybe
Speaker 2: going through Iran first and then onto China. What's your
Speaker 2: what do you have any information along those lines? And
Speaker 2: how much interest is China showing in all this stuff
Speaker 2: that's playing out there off the coast of Venezuela.
Speaker 16: Right, So, China gets this oil from a lot of
Speaker 16: different suppliers, So I would think that the more immediate,
Speaker 16: the more immediate results would be how this affects Venezuela
Speaker 16: and other countries that have exports oil too. So remember,
Speaker 16: Venezuela's pretty much lifeblood of its economy is oil exports.
Speaker 16: So if you take that away from them, then you
Speaker 16: have essentially forced a regime change. Right, people will suffer
Speaker 16: because of it, and that will change things as far
Speaker 16: as who's in control within the government goes. And there
Speaker 16: is some speculation to believe that that's ultimately what the
Speaker 16: administration wants, is to see a regime change. In fact,
Speaker 16: Senator Lindsay Graham over the weekend said that as plain
Speaker 16: as day, where he said, I'd like to see the
Speaker 16: people of Venezuela be able to elect a new leader
Speaker 16: that would not only be good for them, but good
Speaker 16: for the region and good for the United States. And
Speaker 16: best part is exactly what has members of Congress conflicted,
Speaker 16: because there are some Republicans and certainly many Democrats who
Speaker 16: are against the administration's efforts and saying this is not
Speaker 16: under the quot unquote America First Agenda, we should not
Speaker 16: be bothering with Venezuela and all for what and and
Speaker 16: so you know, there there are throwing skepticism at the
Speaker 16: administration's claims that this is entirely about drug smuggling. And
Speaker 16: but but that is something that the administration has been
Speaker 16: adamant about, is that that's exactly.
Speaker 5: What it is.
Speaker 2: Well, you brought it up there, Christiana, about the drug
Speaker 2: boats smuggling, and so is potentially part of this going after, hey,
Speaker 2: we're gonna you you you Maduro, better stop, get get
Speaker 2: the drug boats under control because they're coming from your shores,
Speaker 2: or we're going to hit you in this other way
Speaker 2: that's really going to hurt you.
Speaker 6: Is that.
Speaker 2: Is that a legitimate, you know, theory or thought that
Speaker 2: that that's part of what's playing in here.
Speaker 16: Yeah, that certainly is what the administration is the message
Speaker 16: that they're trying to get across. And you probably remember
Speaker 16: in the past several weeks we've heard Trump administration officials
Speaker 16: say that if you know, if certain things don't change them,
Speaker 16: they're going to strike on land next, right, And that
Speaker 16: also raises some question. But it also is worth noting
Speaker 16: that while there are many experts do believe that these
Speaker 16: suspected drug boats were back carrying drugs, the vast majority
Speaker 16: of this is, according to UN data, the vast majority
Speaker 16: of drugs that travel over the Caribbean are actually bound
Speaker 16: for Europe, not for the US. And the vast majority
Speaker 16: of the drugs that we get here in the US
Speaker 16: goes over as lands borders, and particularly the border we
Speaker 16: share with Mexico. So it's so it's it's a more
Speaker 16: complex issue, I think than what we've seen play out
Speaker 16: so far. But if that's part of the administration's larger
Speaker 16: play to you know, show that they're cracking down on
Speaker 16: drug smuggling, then that very well.
Speaker 5: Could be it.
Speaker 2: Christiana, Well, I've got one more question for you, and
Speaker 2: I'm here us as a guy who used to be
Speaker 2: a reporter himself. What's it like getting information on this
Speaker 2: story out of this administration? You know, it's not like,
Speaker 2: you know, I know, ABC has got a lot of resources,
Speaker 2: but it's not like you got boats out there in
Speaker 2: the Caribbean on the high seas being able to monitor
Speaker 2: all this. But when you go to the Administration, the
Speaker 2: Department of War, the Coast Guard, or whatever the case
Speaker 2: may be, what's it like getting information so you can
Speaker 2: report on this story?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 16: Sure, yeah, well, I mean, of course, it depends on
Speaker 16: the circumstances. We feel very fortunate that we have a
Speaker 16: great Pentagon team that has been covering this relentlessly, and
Speaker 16: then on top of that, we also have a really
Speaker 16: vast international team. So you know, you and I presumably
Speaker 16: can't go to Venezuela physically, but we have certain reporters
Speaker 16: with an our organization who can because they are British
Speaker 16: citizens or things of that nature. So there are many
Speaker 16: different ways to kind of corroborate information, and I think
Speaker 16: one of the challenges is just you know, getting the
Speaker 16: most up to date and also getting a pulse of
Speaker 16: what that they look like in the grand scheme of things,
Speaker 16: because these moves have you know, they've been they've floated
Speaker 16: out many different ideas, including land strips, and and every
Speaker 16: time something like that had mentioned that, it warrants us
Speaker 16: kind of you know, looking into what that may look like.
Speaker 16: And and it's played out many different ways so far.
Speaker 16: So it's it's been it's been a lot, but it's
Speaker 16: been you know, we're very fortunate.
Speaker 1: All right, Christian Cordero. With that, we'll let you go,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate the time this afternoon, and keep up
Speaker 1: the great work, and happy holidays to you and yours.
Speaker 1: Thanks you too, all right, there you go, Thank you,
Speaker 1: Christiana cor Christian Cordeo from ABC News. And that was
Speaker 1: pretty good. I mean, she's she's.
Speaker 10: All over this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great work. And it's a fascinating story. It's
Speaker 2: kind of it's it's it's kind of complex though it is.
Speaker 2: You know, I had a guy on my show last week,
Speaker 2: Daniel Turner from Power of the Future and when it
Speaker 2: comes to energy and oil and energy related issues, I
Speaker 2: I mean, this is right in his wheelhouse.
Speaker 1: And I said, what is the play here? And he said,
Speaker 1: you know, he's trying to put some pressure on by
Speaker 1: cutting off this oil supply. And then she mentioned that China,
Speaker 1: you know, they don't make that. They don't produce their
Speaker 1: own oil in China, so they have to import it
Speaker 1: from other places. And I think Venezuela is their number
Speaker 1: one place where they a point get it from, but
Speaker 1: they import it from other areas around the world as well.
Speaker 1: But I think Trump is looking at this as trying
Speaker 1: to put pressure on China and they get trying to
Speaker 1: play the ball, play ball the way he wants them
Speaker 1: to play.
Speaker 2: Well, there's that, and then you throw out the other
Speaker 2: complex piece of this, the drug trafficking. And you think
Speaker 2: about the drug the drug wars that have been going
Speaker 2: on since the Reagan administration, and God blessed Ronald Reagan,
Speaker 2: He's the one that got it started. But it's never
Speaker 2: been this aggressive of Okay, you know what, it's still coming,
Speaker 2: it's still coming, still coming into this country. Trump hates drugs.
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it, right, Yeah, you know you
Speaker 2: and I have talked about a lot of serious stuff today.
Speaker 2: Yeah we have, and let's let's uh, we'll ease up
Speaker 2: a little bit tomorrow and next day as we get,
Speaker 2: you know, just hours away from Christmas. I don't coming
Speaker 2: up in a couple of days. Can I say one
Speaker 2: thing we're gonna talk about, please do. We're gonna do
Speaker 2: our favorite Christmas songs? And I always look forward to
Speaker 2: that segment every Did any rocket do the Christmas songs
Speaker 2: you hate the most? Did they do that one day
Speaker 2: last week?
Speaker 1: Didn't? I didn't. I didn't listen. Maybe we'll do that too,
Speaker 1: Christmas songs you hate, Christmas songs, movie stuff. I got
Speaker 1: a few of those, all right. But for now, we
Speaker 1: got to run and we'll see you tomorrow, all right,
Speaker 1: But but for now I'll be here. It's time for
Speaker 1: a little traffic and weather together on seven hundred WLW