WEBVTT - 01/07/26 - Hour 3 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:05.640 Our number three in obs fires up here on the 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:08.600 game at eight seven seven seven nine four nine seven 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:12.000 to three. A beautiful day to be with you on 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:14.640 the nicolae lo dot com talking text line, and that's 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:16.960 where we were having a ton of fun. We're gonna 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:19.599 get back to there in just one quick second here. 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:24.560 I think this is a phenomenally interesting story by college 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:28.600 football standards. Pete Famil, amongst others, were in the midst 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:34.480 of it to fire up. Washington quarterback Demand Williams last 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:38.960 week signed a deal to return to the university after 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:43.879 two years with two years of eligibility. Luck yesterday announced 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:47.400 via his Instagram page that he has decided to answer 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:53.239 the transfer portal and that he also has a do 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:57.160 not Contact tag along with his entry, which they do 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:01.040 not contact tag indicates thatter's close. You know exactly where 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:03.640 you're going. You've already been contact and told as to 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:04.520 where you would be going. 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:05.319 So wow. 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:09.319 This all unraveled late last night. Famil's reporting continued with 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:11.880 Demand Williams signed a deal to return to Washington last week. 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.360 It'll be interesting to see as this unfolds that the 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:19.480 deal with Washington in place, they believe was signed. Sources 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:22.959 indicated DESPN the deal has that uh that the deal 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:25.680 he signed was near the top of the college football 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:31.800 quarterback market. Washington then released a statement thing they are 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:35.080 prepared to pursue all legal avenues to enforce the Demond 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:39.720 Williams signed contract with the university signed contract. 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:42.240 That's been the thing we've been wondering this whole time. 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:45.640 Are they signing deals? Are these contracts enforceable? Are you 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:47.960 know what I mean, Billy, and and this is something 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.760 that's you know, the creation of new terms as a 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:51.640 bloody process. 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:52.680 This is one of those problems. 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:56.880 And as ped THEAMIL mentioned the situation with Demond Williams 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:59.480 and a signed contract that with Washington has drawn a 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:02.680 lot of a ten of the Big Ten, and the 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:05.080 Big Ten was quite vocal in trying to help and 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:10.360 support Wisconsin in the controversial transfer to Miami of cornerback 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.919 Xavier Lucas a year ago, supporting Wisconsin trying to enforce 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.440 the contract that they said was signed with Lucas. 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:18.320 And you know, check nototes. 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:22.160 If you're looking for Xavier Lucas coming up as a 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:26.919 Miami cornerback, well then he's on the team. And twenty 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:30.760 six tackles now last week played in the college football 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:34.120 quarterfinal game had two tackles, one solo and you to 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:38.480 see Number six running around there in a Miami helmet 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:44.400 and uniform like, hey, still play right, And as much 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:48.200 as the NCAA tried to throw it down, like hey. 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.320 We're not gonna allow this. Yeah, this isn't gonna happen. 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:51.960 You're not just gonna be able to transfer in the 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:56.840 midst not even go through the portal, just dlist from school, 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:00.000 un enrolled in school, and then go re enroll somewhere 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:04.040 or else. You just go start your playing time. I'm 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:07.880 fascinated to see if they have any and I mean 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:11.079 any real power here to be able to stop at you. 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:12.240 That's the thing. Feckless. 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:14.640 I mean, the NCAA seems feckless every step of the 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.760 way with the actual power they can wield to do 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:21.680 these situations. And because of that, every new situation, every 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:25.360 new loophole, every new example billy eventually becomes a lawsuit 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:27.920 litigation and it goes up the court, it becomes a 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:28.720 court case point. 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:28.959 Yeah. 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.079 And that's just the reality of the world we live 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:36.000 in now with college sports, especially college football, until somehow, 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:39.040 some way, maybe we hope as fans that in all 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:41.680 the system gets settled somehow and then we can just 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.280 move forward with focusing on the games. But until we can, 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:46.960 these are all situations that are kind of up in 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.960 the air. They have sort of you know, no precedent, 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.040 and because of that, it becomes a court case. 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:55.240 And everything in college is now. 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:58.600 Decided that way, you know, and it's kind of a 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.480 shame in some ways, but in other ways it might 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:05.920 be necessary to get some sort of standardized processes that 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:06.920 everyone can follow. 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:09.160 But does it actually get decided in the court? 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.000 I mean, I know it goes to a it goes 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:14.040 to legislation, you're right, But then ultimately nothing actually ends 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:14.720 up coming. 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.640 From nothing nothing. And I think a lot of times. 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:20.080 You get these court cases and decisions and statements from 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:21.440 courts to say, we don't want to deal with this 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.599 stuff like figure it out, yea sports, Like could just 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:26.200 go figure it out and conduct your sports. 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:29.440 Well, we can conduct you know, equal justice. 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:32.680 And other things important, like real life problems that we're 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:37.040 trying to do with government. And I'm all for getting 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:40.800 help from other entities, especially when you are a powerless, 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.920 rudderless ship, which is really the NC double A. They 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.960 don't have much power, They don't have much staying power, 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:49.599 and they already know that their two biggest money drivers 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:53.559 in college football and men's college basketball are most likely 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.039 going to defect from the nc DOUBLEA pretty soon. 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.240 It does seem like that, it seems like that's the 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.600 road they're going down, and more voices saying that that 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:01.279 is the next. 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:04.480 However, the NCAA says, hey, man, while you are still 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.239 in our house, you're still gonna play by our rules. 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:09.159 It kind of reminds me of the like the parents 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:12.120 that are allowing their twenty nine to thirty year old 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.520 son this day to stay in the house and say, hey, 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:16.440 by the way, curfew ten o'clock. 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:18.839 Yeah, and they might be in the house still, but 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.800 they're definitely in the garage or the basement, right or 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.400 the guest house, like they're barely in the house, like 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:25.560 their are a basement. 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:26.039 They are. 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:29.560 They actually crowbarred in their own entry, private entry. They're 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:31.080 not even walking through the front door. 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:33.440 They come upstairs to eat a meal, and that's it. 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:35.320 But all of a sudden, it's eleven thirty and you 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:37.200 don't see the ring doorbell, and you're saying you were 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:37.680 supposed to be. 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:39.560 Home an hour and a half, right, so there'll be 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:41.640 big problems. What are you gonna do there? I'm thirty 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:42.640 years old. What are you gonna do? 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.240 And the problem is, and then you just get mom 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:46.640 being sad because I missed you. 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:48.000 I wanted to be like this. 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.200 I like the way you like that, And then fans 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:51.920 are like moms saying I like the way things used 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:54.200 to be. Well, some of us did, but then again 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.200 not everyone did either, because the way things used to 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:59.640 be were not always equitable for anybody else either. 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:02.080 Oh, very true, you know what I mean. So that's 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.000 this is a lot of us. 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:07.239 Saw the virtue and players being paid right, and even 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:09.440 even the courts have ruled on this that the NCAA 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:10.160 is a recent one. 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:12.039 I saw. I can't remember it word for word. 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.280 Has been profiting off the labor of free labor for 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.320 a while. Everyone saw this, But unfortunately, to come to 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.920 a good system that everyone can agree on, there has 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:23.240 to be somebody kind of trying to set the standard 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.560 and run the ship and set some sort of guidelines, 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:27.960 and there is no one right now. Therefore, that's why 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.279 you see, Billy, what were the numbers we saw yesterday? 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.400 The going rate in the five million bucks? Five million bucks? 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:35.840 Why would you go to the NFL if you had 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:37.360 to go to the NFL play for the Jets or 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:38.560 make five million in college? 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:40.240 You know what I mean. I don't know about you. 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:44.880 I saw people joking about the Todd McShay statement, no 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:46.920 one's gonna want to go to the Jets, well correct. 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.200 And Brendan Soresby is maybe the greatest example of it, 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.120 where NFL teams were starting to be like, hey. 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:54.880 You know, we kind of like kind of like the 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:58.400 cut of that kid's gyp from Cincinnati might be interested 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:00.480 in taking them. We might even take him in like 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:04.000 the second round. Wait, second round, I'm looking at that 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.880 guaranteed money. Yeah, two point four all right, I'm gonna 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:08.920 call Texas Tech. 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.000 Five and a half million. See yeah, I mean like, 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.680 and that's an easy business decision. That's a layup right there. 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:16.840 It was one thing when Archie Manning was running the 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.200 draft telling Eli not to go to this team, not 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:19.880 to go to the chart. 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.160 It was one thing when that was like, you know, 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:24.960 saying I'm gonna go play baseball if you draft me, 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:28.200 realizing that NFL teams like, okay, your options are limited, 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:29.760 do you want to make money or not. You might 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.680 not want to come here, but not anymore like the 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.520 power that the Jets would wield to say to a guy, look, 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:36.440 you can be our guy. 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.000 You can be a quarterback. And I don't really want 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:38.760 to go to your organization. 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.800 And you know what, I'm okay with that because I 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.320 can go back and get life changing money. I mean, 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:47.040 five million dollars if you you can watch you know, 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.080 if you handle it right and you watch Dave Ramsey, 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.280 five million dollars will set you up for a long 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.600 time where you're not taking a big risk, you know 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:58.080 what I mean? Like that, do you think is gonna 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:01.360 be listening to no Ramsey and fire up the emergency fund? 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.600 Those kids will spend their money. I don't think he's 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.280 on baby step two. And that's fine. If you're twenty 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:07.840 one years old, you're gonna spend money. But you get 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.320 my point, Billy, this is not like getting getting your 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:13.320 gas in your car like you know back. 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:14.000 In the SMU days. 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:16.160 You can drive an Eissan like and get and get 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:16.960 your car paid for. 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:18.160 We'll give you a trans an. 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.680 Like five million dollars could set people up if they 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:23.040 handle it right, for a long time. 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:24.880 You could buy a house and cash. 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.480 Like it's crazy to think if you're a college player 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:31.119 that you have enough interest from one team one time. Hecky, 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.880 I'd be trying to enforce that contract, thinking like, we 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.000 don't have to go to the NFL and make make 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:38.040 a rookie league, you know scale Well. 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.920 And for for Williams again, whatever the contract that he 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:44.720 signed up or didn't sign yet, I would assume that 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:47.200 he signed it if the if the university feels confident 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:50.800 enough to say it was a signed contract, they believe 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.240 they had pen and paper, and and whether or not 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.400 that is uh correct or not. 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.280 Like I just I think. 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:03.480 It's such a slippery slope and I don't love it, 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.880 and I feel like a feel like I struggle to 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:11.000 say it. I don't necessarily fault Williams for trying. Sure, right, 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.120 Like there's a right and wrong way of going about business. 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:16.160 Is this the right way of going about it? Probably not? 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:19.880 But I also don't know when, like you said, there's 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:22.400 a million dollars on the table that I'm gonna make 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.400 the right, ethical, perfect decision in that time. 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:26.719 Also, I'm twenty one years old. 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:28.880 Yeah, And I mean, sure you got agents and you 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:29.760 got people around you. 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.240 Guess what. Agents want to get paid. They want to 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:32.720 get money. 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.719 They don't give a rats ass about what's best for you. 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.280 They don't, and they care about making sure that they 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:40.280 get their five percent. 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:42.120 And they'll convince you that this is best for you. 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:44.959 For sure they will. Absolutely, we're gonna tak worry about it. 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:46.760 I'm getting paid, right, We're gonna change your life, your 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:50.200 family's life. Also, I'm gonna get paid too. No, it's 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:52.040 hard for anyone to say that'd be a bad decision. 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:53.960 I mean, that's it. 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:57.280 That's like if someone gave someone a job off or 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:58.840 to work for that money for one year. 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.640 How can say that's a bad decision to take that job? 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:03.000 You know what I mean? Like that? 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.600 So it's something to think about in that sense. Billy 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.200 isn't a bastion of virtue. No, do you have to 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.520 make sure in that situation, when that much money is 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:11.079 in the line. 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.920 That you make sure you do what it takes for yourself. Probably? 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.559 Now, will that cause some awkward situations if he does 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:20.400 go back to school. Maybe I'm not really sure, Like 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:22.920 how much I don't think you're I don't think teammates 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.280 get upset by this though I think I think people 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:27.240 a lot of times will say, well, what's the message 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:28.559 going to be to your teammates if you were in 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.120 heur Nah, they're all trying to do the same thing, 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:33.360 you know. They're all trying to get money, and they 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:35.000 can in the portal and things like that. Right, I 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:36.440 don't think they can bother but it Well, and this is. 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.360 An interesting one, Matt said, would NFL lawyers come back 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:43.960 and help the NCAA start making prices like in in 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:47.600 line for athletes to make contracts meaningful in college sports? 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:49.480 Maybe potentially. 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:51.960 Yeah, I don't know that they're getting aided all that 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:55.000 much by the NFL as much because the NFL can 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.720 also just look and say, we have the greatest minor 0:10:57.800 --> 0:10:58.520 league of all time. 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:03.719 We don't subsidize it, and everyone watches it. Everyone watches it. 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:08.880 So players come in as known quantities and we don't 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:10.560 we don't have to have our hands dirty in any 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.640 of it. Sure, So I don't know that the NFL 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:18.400 has any real incentive to go and help college football 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:21.520 figure their own stuff out rather than well, it's kind 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.760 of been the easiest proving ground for us, and now 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:26.360 I think just the cleanest way they don't care about 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:28.400 how all the sausage is made and how all their 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:29.360 contracts roll through. 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:30.880 All they care about is Arman. 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.600 While these players are coming in even more developed when 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.520 they get to the NFL. I mean, like you talk, 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.240 we talked about the quarterbacks and soresby Dante More is 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.840 gonna play it coming up this weekend. He could definitely 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:45.000 be benefited by staying another year in college. Yeah, making 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:46.839 four and a half million bucks, five million bucks in 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.360 college a lot easier to develop for another twelve thirteen 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:52.280 fourteen starts at Oregon than go and play for the Jets. 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.000 And I think in the long run, the NFL is 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.040 only going to look at it saying it's gonna be 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.680 better and helpful for us because these players are gonna 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:00.480 come any and better. 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:00.679 Now. 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:03.760 I like this one arm and that whenever Xavier Lucas's 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:08.199 name gets brought up, you know you're gonna find one individual. 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.360 You know you're gonna find one guy in the comments. Oh, 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:14.600 Darren Heatner. 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:16.880 Oh yeah, that's the Miami the lawyer right. 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:20.520 The found law focusing on sports, entertainment, intellectual property, and 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:21.120 business law. 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.600 Peach Nil at Miami Law. What's he? 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:24.920 So? 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:26.880 What's he saying now, all right, Billy, come on now. 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:33.000 To be clear, Xavier Lucas didn't transfer to Miami. Wisconsin 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.840 violated the NCAA rules by refusing him to enter the 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.560 transfer portal. He unenrolled from the University of Wisconsin and 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.839 enroll at Miami, which the NCAA said was well within 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:42.480 his rights to do. 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:44.880 But yes, the big ten was vocal. 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:48.800 I feel like I remember every day we were getting 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:52.800 Darren was a Heidner heating out. I believe Heatner because 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.040 the E is in front of the eye, front of 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:58.920 the Yeah, I think you're right. I remember when that 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:00.920 was like a daily occurrence. And I don't hopefully we 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:03.360 ever got a conclusion on that, Like I don't. I 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.520 don't think we ever got told the entire story on that, 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:07.520 or maybe like a conclusion on what happened there. Maybe 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.359 Netflix will do an untold documentary on this situation. 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:15.559 But every man's got just nil information and tweets or 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:19.240 manifestos up the watch. He was all throughout his social 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.439 media account, which I appreciate. He's I'll be honest with you, 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:25.439 Darren still knows more about it to I sure, of course. 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.760 And whether or not you have a slanted viewpoint of it, 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.200 It's still more information than any of us actually know. 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.760 But it will be fascinating to see this one play 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:41.600 out because cornerback good young emerging player. I don't get 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:46.800 attention starting quarterback that was all Big ten caliber. It's 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:49.640 got two years left on his contract. Yeah, and multiple 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:51.800 m's attached to that name. 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:55.400 I think you're gonna hear a little bit more about 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:56.719 this one than Zaviery Lucasteele. 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.960 Do you think NFL teams eventually, Billy, in terms of 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.000 you talked about how will NFL care about this and 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.719 things like that? One thing I've always thought of and 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:07.360 I don't have really I haven't settled on an answer yet. Well, 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:10.400 NFL teams care that players come in with more money 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:12.480 than they used to, Like, will that affect them one 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.280 way or the other? Will coaches care well, GM's care, 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:18.240 Will ownership care that players already seem to be like 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:20.480 couldn't help or hurt? I haven't decided if that will 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:22.360 factor in one way or the other or not. I'm 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:24.280 not sure anyone would care. Like in some ways you 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.480 can think, well, coaches might not like that they're not 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.040 as hungry because they didn't make the money yet but 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:30.880 once on the team, they're making money in the league, 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:32.680 so maybe they'll are they gonna. 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:34.360 Feel more entitled. I haven't really decided that. 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:35.840 I don't know if you have an opinion on that is, 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:40.800 either if they'll care that they're already rich, is my point, 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.120 because it used to be college kids, weren't they were 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:44.320 excited to get that first deal. 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:47.600 I mean, I think there's some of it. I like, again, 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.240 I don't think that there's any nothing you. 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.120 Can do about it. Well, obviously like it. 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:58.480 That's not changing, and whether or not they like it 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:03.320 doesn't necessarily matter or does it impact the kind of players. 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:03.760 They're getting, right. 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:06.800 I think we need more time to ultimately be able 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.480 to say that. I think it's hard to guess that 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:13.800 it wouldn't have something to do with the hunger and 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:19.360 the drive and the ferociousness that certain players attack their 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:21.720 first opportunity with when you got, you know, a couple 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:22.720 of million bucks in the bank. 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.080 I've also thought about the factor that now more guys 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:28.280 understand the job process of it, Like, Okay, you're playing 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:31.880 for a job. This is basically a job now in college, 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.400 so you have to understand the responsibilities that go along 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:34.800 with them. 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:38.240 Yeah, but there also are eighteen, nineteen twenty year old kids, 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:40.120 so they're young adults, so they're gonna make a lot 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:42.240 of mistakes that way, right, And when you make mistakes 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.800 with money in your pocket, does it become more difficult, 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.920 more magnified and is it a bigger problem? I also 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:50.520 think the other part of it, Arman, and this one 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:55.480 will you never will ultimately be able to pinpoint it. 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:59.360 You have to be even more diligent on the person 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:01.680 you're bringing in instead of the player. Sure, like there's 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:03.840 gonna be a lot of really talented players, there's gonna 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:05.600 be a lot of really good players that have a 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:07.880 lot of star rankings and a lot of cachet and 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.480 a lot of cash. But do you have the guy 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:14.000 that you have already seen peak? Or how much will 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.800 they push for the second contract in the NFL, because 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.880 that's that's still that's still the life changing money. Like 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.400 Leon's not wrong, Like you can you can live comfortably 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.080 for a while on I would counter with your entire 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.960 life when you're nineteen years old on the five million bucks. 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.640 But right, but like again, I mean comfortably is everybody's 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:35.160 own explanation, everyone's own definition of comfortably once you start 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.080 having millions of dollars, I don't think you're gonna be 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.560 all that comfortable eating a bologneyan maynaise sand. 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:42.320 That's a great point. And you might have been happy 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:43.000 with that before. 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.600 You know, you might have been happy that before, but 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:47.400 then you might not be as happy with that. 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:50.840 That money is so like the real life changing money 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.240 comes in the NFL, and it still comes with the 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:57.360 second contract. But this demand Williams one is a fascinating story. 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:02.080 The Washington officials described it as a legally binding revenue 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:06.880 share contract with the school. University plans to pursue all 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.680 legal avenues. Has been in contact with officials from the 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:14.439 Big Ten, who draft rev share contracts for its league members. 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.239 This is the interesting part of it. What's enforceable, what 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:20.600 isn't what's a contract? Who is the contract with? They said, 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:22.399 the contract is with the revenue. 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:24.520 Share and with the university. 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:28.639 So that's the question there and gets back to my 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:30.520 buddy Mike Keller somewhere saying it. 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:34.040 We don't know what these kids make. I need numbers. 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.080 There is a level of that, like are we getting 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:39.200 to that point, Billy, where if they're signing real contracts, 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:41.960 Remember the graphics we saw when guys are coming back, 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:43.720 and we said, what are they signing in that graphic? 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:47.520 What are they signing a memorandum of understanding or a 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:51.240 letter of understanding or is that a legally enforceable contract? 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:53.960 You know, very interesting. 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.560 You want to dig into some more of this, and 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:03.480 one individual's name might be. It sounds like a certain 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.240 guy in Baton Rouge might have something to do with. 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:07.040 This demand. 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.760 Because my man Matt Muscala, who I follow uh from 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:18.840