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Speaker 2: It's a Friday morning Nordowen for Pa.

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Speaker 3: And it's a football feast. There's there's a Pulpa restyle

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Speaker 3: bent to this thing. And we'll get to the timber

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Speaker 3: Tech setlist momentarily. Hockey in the mix today eleven o'clock.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna check in with Johnny Krazinski and uh dip

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Speaker 3: into the Howl who have won three straight. After that

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Speaker 3: five l malaise that we had to go through a

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Speaker 3: week and change ago. Jaden McDaniels can't miss from deep

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Speaker 3: Anthony Edwards said, I'm done with this basically from tip

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Speaker 3: off as the Wolves beat the OKC Thunder last evening.

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Speaker 3: Kind of a double feature in studio in studio now

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Speaker 3: Chad Greenway Weekly Guests nine to noon. Are you a

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Speaker 3: channel flipper or a multiview multi TV Minnesota sports viewer?

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Speaker 2: With the double feature last night?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I always go towards the basketball game. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: hockey fans, I just I don't have it. I don't

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Speaker 1: get into it.

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Speaker 3: You had weak ankles as a kid, well documented.

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Speaker 1: Tough weak ankles, no stick handles, absolutely zero handles. I

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Speaker 1: can barely skate for the love of Pete. It's amazing

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Speaker 1: that I grow up four and plus hours from here

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Speaker 1: in a really cold spot and there wasn't hockey within

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Speaker 1: eighty miles of me.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that a little weird?

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Speaker 1: It's just that's the shows you the Minnesota culture of

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Speaker 1: the hockey culture kind of what it's all about.

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Speaker 2: I mean, in Dakota is for the most part.

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Speaker 1: I mean when I was growing up, you know, way

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Speaker 1: back when nineties, two early two thousand, there was very

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Speaker 1: little hockey. Now courses popping up like crazy. Suit falls

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Speaker 2: And well, is that is that in weird?

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Speaker 3: Is that the nature of the topography or the landscape

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Speaker 3: of South Dakota Now we know it's flat. I'm just

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Speaker 3: I'm not familiar with the with the pond situation. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that situation and.

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Speaker 1: Very you know, we got the old Missouri River running

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of ponds. You know what we have

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Speaker 1: in the farms of all the old dugouts for the

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Speaker 1: cows to go drink. Yeah, that' to be about where

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Speaker 1: we would actually go skate on those.

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Speaker 3: Oh you growing up, absolutely well, those would freeze all

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Speaker 3: the way through wouldn't they a long winter?

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Speaker 1: Almost not not all the they're deep ye, they're deep enough. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that way so the cows can drink it. You get

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Speaker 1: you'd break a hole in the ice for the cows

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Speaker 1: to drink, and then you go skate. Oh that's sweet

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Speaker 1: and that's yeah. But we didn't there's no I mean,

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Speaker 1: but I had some tough guys. I didn't hold a

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Speaker 1: Just a weird deal. But either way, point being, I'm

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Speaker 1: not a multiview guy. I'm a channel flipper guy. And uh,

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Speaker 1: I've been really enjoying watching the lot the Wolves, watch

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Speaker 1: them live a couple of nights ago. Uh, that was fun.

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Speaker 1: First time I've been live in uh in the house

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Speaker 1: against the Warriors.

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Speaker 2: That was sweet.

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Speaker 1: And then I watched last night last night was just dominant.

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Speaker 1: I mean the way we shot the ball, the way

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Speaker 1: Jaden shot the ball was impressive. And you know, at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, and it comes down to

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Speaker 1: watching the NBA basketball, I love when the team just

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Speaker 1: gives full effort.

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Speaker 2: I love when you're playing hard, you're.

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Speaker 1: Playing fast, defensively, and last night was if we can

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Speaker 3: Well, but that is kind of the conversation with this

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Speaker 3: team now I assume, you know, just sixteen games and

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Speaker 3: now seventeen, that wasn't a frequent they're off discussed topic

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Speaker 3: in terms of, hey, if just this week we can

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Speaker 3: give our full effort us right, It's almost been a

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Speaker 3: stereotype or a common trope, if you will, with the NBA,

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Speaker 3: where it's eighty two games, it's long nights some Tuesday

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Speaker 3: And we know we got this cool road trip coming around.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna be hanging out down in South Beach for

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Speaker 3: two days. I care more about that than getting over

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Speaker 3: the hump. And in the end we'll still find our

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Speaker 3: way into the playoffs. And that has been kind of

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Speaker 3: a common theme with the Wolves at time over the

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Speaker 3: last few seasons, where you know, Wednesday night at home,

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Speaker 3: That's probably never a conversation in the sport of football

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Speaker 3: isn't now.

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Speaker 1: I mean I can remember when rest of Soul, Flip

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Speaker 1: Saunders will come to our training camp.

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Speaker 2: You know, one of the best, you know, I think,

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Speaker 2: one of the.

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Speaker 1: Best better coaches in Minnesota sports history the Wolves and

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Speaker 1: has some good run and I think, well very well respected.

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Speaker 1: He would come to training camp. You know, they have

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Speaker 1: a training camp in the NBA and they they're grinding

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Speaker 1: through practices. You know, it's just a different mentality when

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Speaker 1: midway through our training camp in Mankato, He's just like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys do this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we would have a bunch of guys tapping out. Now.

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Speaker 1: It's just a different mentality, different sport mindset. But the

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Speaker 1: reality is you go watch those NBA games, even at

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Speaker 1: the Warriors, the second half of that Warriors back to back,

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Speaker 1: I mean, even when they're giving like ninety percent, it's

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Speaker 1: the most impressive athletes and in probably the world. I mean,

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Speaker 2: My gosh, that guy's got some feet. Just impressive.

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Speaker 1: But when you're playing, when you only have sixteen or

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Speaker 1: a good spot. And it's just a different mentality of

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Speaker 1: dealing with that. They're doing with shoot arounds and try

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Speaker 2: Have you want you honest, don't you?

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Speaker 1: I'm in between on that, man, I'm I'm I'm a

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Speaker 1: I'm a I'm not a massive fan of be honest,

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Speaker 1: get him? And again, like I do agree, like organizations

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Speaker 1: a stud like Ant, you have a team around him.

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Speaker 1: Right now, this is win now mentality. And we've been there,

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Speaker 1: we've been there, we're on the doorstep. Is this the

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Speaker 1: I think from a fan perspective on an owner taking

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's the answer, And I don't

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Speaker 1: Vant's hands and put it in Giannis's hands like it

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Speaker 2: But I just don't love that.

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Speaker 1: You know, you see you see NAS's name getting thrown

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Speaker 1: term pieces to this team, you hope, But again without

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Speaker 2: I don't love it, to be honest.

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Speaker 3: Well I was I was driving in and eventually we'll

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Speaker 3: get to football but but it just this, this was

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's as good as it gets in the NBA.

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Speaker 3: But but I was driving in and I heard Marti

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Speaker 3: and it didn't really click with me immediately. But we

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Speaker 3: Giannis is a huge name and he's earned that equity certainly,

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Speaker 3: But like, like if you're Anthony Edwards, and like, how

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Speaker 3: chemistry matter? In the equation where Jaden McDaniel's one of

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Speaker 3: move him as part of this deal, how much does

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Speaker 2: And you have to factor that in with Anthony Edwards.

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Speaker 3: You don't care if it's the ninth guy on the

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Speaker 2: You care about the guy, But we got to do

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Speaker 3: Anthony Edwards, in some ways, I think that chemistry aspect

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think when you're on the road

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Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, it's going to look like

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Speaker 2: And also, what are we going to do defensively? What

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Speaker 1: I know, it fits the kindly mold of the size,

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Speaker 1: What's he going to do to us defensively? I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's just a lot of things. And also what's the

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Speaker 1: you do have a situation where you're like, Okay, how

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Speaker 1: many years is he going to be good? What are

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Speaker 1: we gonna get him for Is this a short how

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Speaker 1: short term is this deal? Is this a new deal

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Speaker 1: the stuff. You have to ask yourself. There's probably information

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Speaker 1: out there that I have not read, but point being is,

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Speaker 1: you know, culture matters a lot in winning. When you

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Speaker 1: see them buckle down last night Janie McDaniels, it's what

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Speaker 1: four or five threes and plays defense like he does,

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Speaker 1: it's really hard for me to look and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: we got to move that guy right and then you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, oh, by the way, like the guy that

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Speaker 1: we're never gonna move or hopefully never have to loser move,

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Speaker 1: and like he's his right hand guy. That's that's a

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Speaker 1: tough look. And I think it's a It would impact

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Speaker 2: Way to put it.

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Speaker 3: Uh speaking of while coordinators or position coaches more more specifically,

435
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Speaker 3: how in the frame of position groups and position rooms.

436
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Speaker 2: So Flora is gonna be uh he's coming back.

437
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they got McCarthy and Pittsburgh now and macarthy and

438
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Speaker 3: and Flora is our guy. But in terms of the

439
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Speaker 3: linebackers coach versus the coordinator, and maybe it's it's unique

440
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Speaker 3: for a large part of your time here, specifically with Zimmer,

441
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Speaker 3: where Zimmer as the head coach probably has some specific

442
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Speaker 3: duties globally that pulls him out of the complete hands

443
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Speaker 3: on approach. But coordinator versus position coach when you were playing,

444
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Speaker 3: how vital was that relationship with specifically linebackers coach inside

445
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Speaker 3: or outside and in some of those specific position oriented guys.

446
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Speaker 1: Yeah, instead of the stuff that you don't see necessarily

447
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Speaker 1: as a player all the time in those in those

448
00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,920
Speaker 1: in those meetings when they're building a game plan and

449
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Speaker 1: they're giving their input and here's what I see, and

450
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Speaker 1: here's what I've on tape, and here's how I think

451
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Speaker 1: we can win, and everybody had come down. It comes

452
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Speaker 1: down to a decision maker. So Zimmer, yes, he gets

453
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Speaker 1: pulled here, he gets pulled there. So George Edwards is

454
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Speaker 1: running those meetings. He was the defensive coordinator, but he

455
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Speaker 1: wasn't making the play calls. You know, you have Adam

456
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Speaker 1: Zimmer and there's a linebacker coach. And during the Zimmer years,

457
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Speaker 1: Fred Puggets for eight years, under the years with Childress

458
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Speaker 1: and the years with Frasier. Yeah, a guy who's really experienced,

459
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Speaker 1: has a long tenured in the NFL. He won a

460
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, Like, he has a lot more input on

461
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Speaker 1: what we want to do in the game plan and

462
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Speaker 1: the why and when it comes down to it, then

463
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Speaker 1: you then you're out of practice. And you'd have Zimmer

464
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Speaker 1: sort of overseeing the whole practice, knowing what's going on offensively,

465
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Speaker 1: look at the play call, watching, but then defensively having

466
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Speaker 1: a much more having much more input. He's he's making

467
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Speaker 1: the play call, he's talking through things, so he's just

468
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Speaker 1: hovering over the defensive side more having more communication. When

469
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Speaker 1: it was Childress on the offense side of the ball,

470
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Speaker 1: it was the exact opposite. We saw him in the

471
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Speaker 1: team meeting rooms and that was about it, and then

472
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Speaker 1: we saw him at practice.

473
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Speaker 2: He's not he's not coming in. You know.

474
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Speaker 1: He trusted Mike Tomin the year one for me. He

475
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Speaker 1: trusted Leslie Fraser in the next seven years for me.

476
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Speaker 1: So I just think you see things a little bit

477
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Speaker 1: differently in each coordinator that becomes a head coach ineedibly,

478
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Speaker 1: it's typically a coordinator. They handle all those situations slightly differently,

479
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Speaker 1: I think in every in every locker room. And also,

480
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Speaker 1: like the thing with you know, the worst part about

481
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Speaker 1: having really good coaches is they get poached, they get taken,

482
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Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, I trust a guy who's

483
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Speaker 1: making my play calling. If I'm a decordinator or if

484
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Speaker 1: I'm going to head coach that was a de coordinat

485
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Speaker 1: can trust a guy he's my play caller. All of

486
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Speaker 1: a sudden, we did really well, what's gonna happen? He's

487
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Speaker 1: a head coach the next year. Now that guy that

488
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Speaker 1: i'd really trusted for years, who's been underneath me, making

489
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Speaker 1: play calls, making decisions, knows how I'm going to think

490
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Speaker 1: I can interact with him in the game in game

491
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Speaker 1: day say hey, here's what I think is going to happen. Boom,

492
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Speaker 1: He's not gonna be offended. He's gonna help you make

493
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Speaker 1: that right call. Now he's gone. Now you have a

494
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Speaker 1: young guy you got to teach again. You see like what

495
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Speaker 1: happens in Detroit this year with Dan Campbell, All of

496
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Speaker 1: a sudden, I'm gonna make these play calls because you

497
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Speaker 1: ain't got it yet. Yeah, and you see that lack

498
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Speaker 1: of communication all of a sudden. Now the head coach

499
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Speaker 1: can't be the head coach. He's gotta be the coordinator first.

500
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Speaker 1: And I think that's where that's that balance you gotta find.

501
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Speaker 3: What was it like working under Leslie Fraser, because it

502
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Speaker 3: just feels like whatever spectrum exists, however broad it is,

503
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Speaker 3: that Leslie Fraser was on one end of it and

504
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Speaker 3: Mike Zimmer was on the other end of it.

505
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Speaker 2: Is that fair to say?

506
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Speaker 1: That's very much fair to say it was really hard

507
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 1: to get Fraser fired up, very methodical, you think, you know,

508
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 1: everybody kind of compares him to Tony Dungee, like and

509
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,920
Speaker 1: his and his speeches and his thought process and the

510
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 1: way he thinks about things and and the way he coaches.

511
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Speaker 1: He almost is like a I'm gonna hold you accountable

512
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Speaker 1: by the like the upset dad, Like, hey, you know,

513
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Speaker 1: I'm just you're disappointing me. Now it's not mad, I'm disappointed. Wow,

514
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Speaker 1: And uh in a way like you do. I mean

515
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Speaker 1: a ton of respect for him as a human being

516
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Speaker 1: but also as a football coach. And you know, after

517
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Speaker 1: he leaves us, he goes a buffalo, has some success,

518
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Speaker 1: does some things, and kind of creates a different path

519
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Speaker 1: for himself. He's just a good football guy. He's a

520
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 1: good football coach, but a completely different approach to Zimmer.

521
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Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, Zimmer comes in and you're like, oh, Okay,

522
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Speaker 1: it's like my high school coaching. I'm gonna get undressed

523
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Speaker 1: in front of everybody and get yelled at for any

524
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Speaker 1: little thing because he's gonna he's gonna approach accountability with directly.

525
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Speaker 1: It's not gonna be indirect see me, I'm gonna handle

526
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Speaker 1: it directly with you in front of your team.

527
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Speaker 2: How are you going to handle it?

528
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Speaker 1: And by the way, if you're a captain or a leader,

529
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it even harder on you so that

530
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Speaker 1: everybody knows and you know underneath to fall in line

531
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Speaker 1: and in a way where he was so meticulous with

532
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 1: every little step, every alignment to every situation that you

533
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 1: had to be on point and you better know your

534
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Speaker 1: stuff and if you don't, you will be called out.

535
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Speaker 1: So that but I love that piece of accountability within

536
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Speaker 1: the team to know, like, hey, coaches on it. I

537
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 1: got to be on it, so you better be on it. Yeah,

538
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Speaker 1: And I you know, that's how you get good teams

539
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: and good you know, good continuity and that and those

540
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 1: defenses with Zimmer there's so much communication that has to happen.

541
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Speaker 2: You have to all see the same things. So it's

542
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Speaker 2: really important.

543
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Speaker 3: Well, I remember your guy Lieber talking about this. This

544
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Speaker 3: was a long time ago, just kind of the evolution

545
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Speaker 3: of defenses and this as I mean, in a fact,

546
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Speaker 3: it really doesn't have anything to do with Zimmer or Frasier,

547
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Speaker 3: but it popped in my head kind of the idea

548
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Speaker 3: that in the early two thousands, Liber's coming up, he

549
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Speaker 3: kind of needed to know what his responsibility was, and

550
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Speaker 3: there were communications that evolved from that. But now maybe

551
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Speaker 3: even by the end of your playing days, and certainly

552
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Speaker 3: maybe by the end of Ben's as well. He finished

553
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Speaker 3: a bit before you, but you ended up kind of

554
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Speaker 3: having to know what the safety is doing, what the

555
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 3: corner is doing, and even from a defensive front standpoint,

556
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 3: you need to know how that detackle is going to

557
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,239
Speaker 3: work off the snap, and you're gonna work off of

558
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Speaker 3: what he does. And in some ways there's almost this

559
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Speaker 3: chain reaction. Yeah, and it's just gone from maybe the

560
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 3: simplicity of sea ball get ball to certainly a much

561
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Speaker 3: vaster array of information in your in your brain.

562
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're talking a lot.

563
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Speaker 1: And what Ben's talking about is more of the scheme

564
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Speaker 1: and the approach, because a more simplistic zone type of

565
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Speaker 1: scheme like the Tampa two cover two scheme. You're gonna

566
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Speaker 1: you're gonna sit in your coverage and you're just gonna

567
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Speaker 1: adjust to everything they do. It's in front of you.

568
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,959
Speaker 1: We're sitting in zone. We're all working together in zones. Now.

569
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Speaker 1: It just changes when there's emotion, there's alignment issue, it

570
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Speaker 1: just changes what we do within that structure. So we're

571
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Speaker 1: gonna adjust whatever you whatever you got, we can adjust

572
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Speaker 1: anything doesn't matter. Well, all of a sudden you start

573
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Speaker 1: putting in pressures and blitzes and double a gap. Looks

574
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Speaker 1: Now you start to have all these ins and outs

575
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Speaker 1: of like, Okay, if the center's gonna go to the left,

576
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Speaker 1: because we heard the commun indication that he's going to

577
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Speaker 1: go Liz or whatever whatever his call is, we know

578
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Speaker 1: the running back is going to go block the right side.

579
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Speaker 1: So we're going to attack that running back and try

580
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Speaker 1: to get a big on a little a running back

581
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Speaker 1: or a defensive or linebacker or a defensivevent on the back.

582
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Speaker 1: So we might flip our pressure in the time they

583
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Speaker 1: motion or the time they come out of the huddle

584
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Speaker 1: and they line up a certain way, say okay, we're

585
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Speaker 1: gon we're gonna blitz it this way. So we make

586
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Speaker 1: a call, all of a sudden, the guy motions across.

587
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: Now it completely flips, and you're talking about within the

588
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 1: you're watching a football game from the time that a

589
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: slot receiver motions from one side or the other or

590
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Speaker 1: into the backfield like you're flipping the entire play audibling

591
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Speaker 1: in a reaction to the offense. And then also all

592
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, there's fifteen seconds stuff on the playcock

593
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Speaker 1: and then he audibles and then you react a different way.

594
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Speaker 1: And I think that's the part where from a player,

595
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Speaker 1: I loved it because you were so engaged in every

596
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Speaker 1: part of it and you had to say in the

597
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Speaker 1: play and to me it was a mentality of we're

598
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Speaker 1: going to attack you.

599
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 2: You better be ready for what we're bringing.

600
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Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, you make a guy think,

601
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Speaker 1: you make a young quarterback thing think, all of a sudden,

602
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't see or he thinks he sees something that

603
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: he does and boom, we smack him in the back

604
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: and away we go for a sack or whatever it is.

605
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 1: That to me was more fun, more in and out,

606
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: more responsibility, Yeah, much more chances to make a mistake.

607
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 3: Zimmer didn't handle mistakes while did Hey, no, but I

608
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Speaker 3: think when you as a player, not at all, not

609
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Speaker 3: at all. And as a player though, when you see

610
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Speaker 3: a coach and again you're an NFL coach, you're putting

611
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 3: a lot of time and effort in. But when you

612
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 3: are willing to hold yourself to the same standard, you're

613
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Speaker 3: holding your players.

614
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Speaker 2: Too and own your mistakes.

615
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Speaker 1: Yeah, as a as a player, like as a leader,

616
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Speaker 1: I think that's how you have to be a But

617
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Speaker 1: as a player looking up, it's like, hey, he's gonna

618
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Speaker 1: hold himself for that same standard, and he's as upset

619
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Speaker 1: with himself as he is upset with me for missing

620
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: that silly thing, or like if I'm not going to

621
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Speaker 1: prepare you for this look, right, I saw this look

622
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Speaker 1: all week. I didn't put a play call and we

623
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Speaker 1: saw it and beat us. That's on me, guys, like

624
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Speaker 1: to me as a player, like, I can respect that

625
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,959
Speaker 1: when he's going to get after me, if you think

626
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Speaker 1: to get after himself the same way.

627
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you've.

628
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Speaker 3: Talked about that several different times. And part of the

629
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Speaker 3: reason that this kind of came up in the segments

630
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Speaker 3: he on the way it has is I was talking

631
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Speaker 3: with Brett Brett blakemore producing Nine to Noon and we

632
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 3: love him for it.

633
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure I love everything about what he's got

634
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 2: going on today. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, you're surprised every time.

635
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 2: Where are you from? It's from Iowa. My dad's from Wisconsin.

636
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: He brainwashed me. It's it's his fault. I mean Madison

637
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Speaker 2: Brad too, right, Yeah, yes, I thought they were red anyway.

638
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, why don't we Why don't we wear red moro

639
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 3: of it's ugly? Can we do that like iHeart apparel

640
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 3: or something like that? Do you get that's possible? Okay,

641
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 3: let's let's work on that. No. But I was talking

642
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 3: to him prior to the show, because there it's there's

643
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 3: two different visions of Zim. So I'm I'm an outsider

644
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 3: and that I didn't play. But uh and and things

645
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 3: have changed, just regime to regime, if you will. I

646
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 3: certainly don't have the communicative relationship. And that's not a

647
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 3: good thing or a bad thing. It's just how the

648
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Speaker 3: new regime works.

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Speaker 2: In the building. But at winter Park, Zimmer was a guy.

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Speaker 3: Specifically early in my time with the fan, I could

651
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Speaker 3: just say, hey, coach, how you doing today? And I

652
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Speaker 3: could have conversations with Mike Zimmer and and specifically down

653
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Speaker 3: in training camp.

654
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Speaker 2: Now he's constantly in a bad.

655
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Speaker 3: Mood, but there was still there was still the kind

656
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Speaker 3: of the nothing's on the line vibe of Mankato back

657
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Speaker 3: in the day, and Zimmer was so good to me,

658
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Speaker 3: and just from a conversation standpoint, I could ask him

659
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Speaker 3: stupid questions about his defense and just football philosophy in general.

660
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Speaker 3: Whatever you think of Zimmer, Zimmer was in elite football

661
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Speaker 3: bide and and the stories and and the offhand conversations

662
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Speaker 3: were unbelievable. And so it's it's like there's there's two

663
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Speaker 3: versions of Zimmer, and and integraded at the end, I mean,

664
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Speaker 3: and then that's a tough spot and then people have

665
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Speaker 3: to move on, right, And those last two seasons were very,

666
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Speaker 3: very tension filled and it was negative right.

667
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Speaker 2: For a lot of unhappiness.

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Speaker 3: But I do feel like there's two different versions of

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Speaker 3: Zimmer that exists somewhere in the midst where I, even

670
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Speaker 3: as an outsider, had a really good relationship with him

671
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Speaker 3: and saw players gravitating to him and loving what they

672
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Speaker 3: got from him. Sadly, before that that season and that

673
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Speaker 3: was those winds started to change.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, actually I think we can compare him

675
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Speaker 1: even to b Flow right now, because I think it's

676
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Speaker 1: I think it's a very similar mindset where Flores is

677
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Speaker 1: probably more approachable, but when you see how he coaches

678
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Speaker 1: and how he gets into people like at practice, like

679
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: it's high level of accountability and standards because they run

680
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Speaker 1: a similar not the same, but they run a very

681
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Speaker 1: similar type of scheme where it takes a massive amount

682
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Speaker 1: of communication, trust and accountability.

683
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Speaker 2: So you have to coach that hard.

684
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Speaker 1: You have to be you have to have guys in

685
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Speaker 1: the room that are willing to put the extra time

686
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Speaker 1: and work in to be really good at that stuff.

687
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Speaker 1: So I think that's where that edge comes from now, Zimmer,

688
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Speaker 1: especially when it came down to you know, public comments, media,

689
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: like that's the part that really got him discrupted. But

690
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Speaker 1: he had the sort of that that uh that I

691
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Speaker 1: don't know, that humor that just like you have to

692
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Speaker 1: work around that rough brashness because the humor was there

693
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Speaker 1: and you knew if he liked you or not. And

694
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Speaker 1: I mean this and this guy comes in and the

695
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Speaker 1: first thing he does is he calls me, you know,

696
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Speaker 1: he has the GM called me and say, hey, we

697
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Speaker 1: think you're making too much money.

698
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Speaker 2: Once you take a pay cut.

699
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Speaker 1: I mean that's literally the first you know, zimmer comes in,

700
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Speaker 1: gets the job after fire Zimmery, I played with this

701
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: broken wrist and broken arm for ten weeks. I'm like

702
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Speaker 1: like patting myself in the back, look off tough, I am,

703
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: you know, and you play through the season. I got

704
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Speaker 1: two years left of my deal, and the first thing

705
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Speaker 1: I hear is like, hey, we think you're old. You

706
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: make too much money is basically what they're saying, right,

707
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Speaker 1: take a pay cut. And I'm like, you know, flipping

708
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Speaker 1: the bird, like are you kidding me? And my wife's

709
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: reaction was like way even way better, Like we're I

710
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Speaker 1: can't believe we're not even felons at this point. But

711
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Speaker 1: the reality is is, uh, you know, I had to

712
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Speaker 1: swallow the pride and say, hey, let me go see

713
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Speaker 1: what this guy is all about.

714
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go play for this guy.

715
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Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, you draft Anthony Barr, you

716
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Speaker 1: draft Eric Hendricks and I talked about this a couple

717
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: weeks ago, like that was the most fun. Like those

718
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: three years were so fun because it literally just reignited

719
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Speaker 1: that flame and love for football because all of a sudden,

720
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Speaker 1: like we're scheming teams like we're listening for audio and

721
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Speaker 1: understand what the center is saying. It just it made

722
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: you think about it differently. And and of course, like

723
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Speaker 1: growing up in old school football in South Dakota life

724
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Speaker 1: when you get screamed at for anything, or the farm

725
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Speaker 1: kid is getting yelled at, I mean I was okay

726
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Speaker 1: with that. I love that approach. I love that accountability,

727
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Speaker 1: and I was able to develop even better as later

728
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Speaker 1: and later in my career. And then of course after

729
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Speaker 1: he comes in a couple of years, I got you know,

730
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Speaker 1: I love playing for the dude, even though I held this,

731
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Speaker 1: you know, this animosity for them taking a pay cut.

732
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Speaker 1: But then you know, I played eleven years, got those

733
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Speaker 1: dollars back and away we go. Just took me the

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Speaker 1: nextra year to get there.

735
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still a tough spot.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I'm a handshake guy. No, No, if I say I'm

737
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Speaker 1: gonna do something, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna hold

738
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Speaker 1: up my end now. And the organization says we think

739
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Speaker 1: we should change our mind on you. You say, okay, dude,

740
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Speaker 1: you signed the same contract I did. That's just my mentality.

741
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Speaker 3: I still I still think that that dumb Backstreet Boy's

742
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Speaker 3: parody I did was the re sign agreed?

743
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Speaker 2: I think that is and here we go.

744
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Speaker 1: I think that helped coming right back sounded and sounded

745
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Speaker 1: out of the line the way we go eleventh year.

746
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Speaker 3: Well, we'll work on whatever stipend that is required.

747
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Speaker 1: You just need to be able to during the break.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure how much money you made off that song.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot, but yeah, yeah, yeah I should.

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Speaker 1: I think we should should be my intro notice because

751
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Speaker 1: it just makes me happy.

752
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Speaker 3: Okay, no, we can. We can make that work. We'll

753
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Speaker 3: find it, We'll come back. Can you found it?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, take on probably the top of the page.

755
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Speaker 1: I recently listened to this classic.

756
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Speaker 4: You won't read time He's bad the higher Ziggy heard

757
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Speaker 4: me pray. We re signed green Ways back.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so bea drops.

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Speaker 1: A bard.

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Speaker 2: One that last rhide kickstar. Oh yeah, you ass bank.

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Speaker 2: We re signed green Way.

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Speaker 3: Warm on time bands wended the stay so Good.

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Speaker 2: A metrocle you've waited for so long the same signed

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Speaker 2: man so Good Troubadour man, I mean singer songwriter you

765
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Speaker 2: helped kickstart us bank? How about that?

766
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean looking back now, like you know, being

767
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: out of nine years whatever it's been crazy, is like

768
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Speaker 1: so crazy that I would have not played in US Bank,

769
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Speaker 1: like to have to open it up to play one

770
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: year there like looking back now like at my cur

771
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: like that is.

772
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Speaker 2: That was awesome. Yeah, that was I mean a terrible season.

773
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Speaker 2: What a few guys that probably play in all three?

774
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Speaker 1: Right, I don't know how many guys played in all

775
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Speaker 1: three stadiums, but you know you go Metrodome obviously Harrison did,

776
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Speaker 1: C J.

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Speaker 2: Ham did those guys that you may not have. I

778
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Speaker 2: think Ham didn't. Ham wasn't a Metrodome guy. I don't

779
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: think so Metrodome. I mean listen that.

780
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Speaker 1: I mean it was tight in Metrodome, but you were

781
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: talking about a home field advantage. Yeah, I remember that

782
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: Cowboys playoff win. That was ridiculous. How loud that place got.

783
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Speaker 1: I'm just unbelievable. Dude, that's awesome. And you did play

784
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: in all three.

785
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Speaker 2: Let's let's pause.

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Speaker 3: I got I got a couple more bits for you

787
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Speaker 3: in a short segment around the corner.

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Speaker 2: But we resigned Greenway. Hey, we got eleven good years

789
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Speaker 2: out of him, no doubt about it.

790
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, nine to noon. Final segment.

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Speaker 3: It'll be a quickie with with with Chad Greenway here

819
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 3: in studio, but I wanted to touch on so Ron

820
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 3: Johnson was in studio with me yesterday and we were

821
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Speaker 3: chatting about coy Perrich who, of course two years with

822
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Speaker 3: the Gophers and now he's Oregon bound, and you know,

823
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Speaker 3: it sounds like there may be a nice little payday

824
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Speaker 3: for him in this new universe of college sports.

825
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 2: Did we hear a number?

826
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Speaker 3: Well, I saw a banning about maybe two million or something,

827
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Speaker 3: I mean seven figures that.

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Speaker 1: Would go ahead and fantasy your questions before I jump

829
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Speaker 1: on this thing, No interrupt me.

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Speaker 2: That's cool.

831
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Speaker 1: I was of all the you know, of all this

832
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Speaker 1: moving around in college sports. I think for the in

833
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Speaker 1: general most of us, most of us don't like it.

834
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: I mean, in general, like the old school mentality is like,

835
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Speaker 1: I just like the amateur sports before how it was.

836
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Speaker 2: I don't like to become a business. I don't like

837
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Speaker 2: there's no you know, if.

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Speaker 1: I'm a pain Gopher fan or a Paining Hawkeye fan

839
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: or pain whatever fan, like I'm coming in. I want

840
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Speaker 1: people to be there. They're gonna be there long term.

841
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to buy a jersey knowing they're gonna be

842
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: there for four years. Like why is the reason you

843
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: don't buy a professional sports jersey because they're probably be

844
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 1: traded the next year, gonna be gone.

845
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Speaker 2: That's just your luck. Right.

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Speaker 1: So I also on you that the hometown Kitlin, that

847
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: hometown but Esco, right, Minnesota native up North, great player,

848
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: a great athlete, and in some ways I think for

849
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: them to keep him here was really a stamp for

850
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Speaker 1: PJ to say, hey, we're gonna keep our best, Like

851
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Speaker 1: we're gonna keep him here. We're gonna win with them,

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Speaker 1: They're gonna be really good. You can go b dB

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Speaker 1: of the Year in the Big Ten or Freshman Freshman

854
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Speaker 1: of the Year with the Gophers. Yeah, and then all

855
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, you see this kid bounce and again

856
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Speaker 1: it's not a nighttment on him. You can be as

857
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: mad as you want, but the reality is, and somebody

858
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Speaker 1: waves two million dollars, that's just say that's the number.

859
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Speaker 1: We don't know what the real number is. Let's just

860
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Speaker 1: say it's two million. That is life changing and altering money. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the Gophers were offering. I'm sure

862
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: there was definitely a significant offer or reoffer. So, like

863
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Speaker 1: you're looking at that situation. I don't like it, but

864
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: at the same time, it's reality. So you're gonna look

865
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: at him and be like, are you gonna not go

866
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: take those dollars when you you may not play in

867
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: the NFL, you have no I mean, kois a very

868
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: good player and hopefully is a long career.

869
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 2: I'm rooting for that. But you don't know. You don't

870
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: know about injury, you don't know about just ability.

871
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: Like, there's a lot of great college players that don't

872
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: translate to the league and make a bunch of money.

873
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: So how are you gonna fault him for trying to

874
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 2: go scoop the chips right now? Yeah, let's see. I'm glad.

875
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: So there's two It's legacy in its livelihood.

876
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 3: Man, Like we think about and we romanticize it as

877
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 3: and I bet you know probably a little bit differently.

878
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 3: But when the NFL started free agency in earnest when when.

879
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 2: You know, the Reggie White ninety was a ninety one whatever,

880
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 2: it was something like that.

881
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 3: So when when you think about that, there there were

882
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: probably people back then having the same conversation like when

883
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 3: you put on the green and gold or let me see,

884
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: Reggie was in Philly and then goes to Greening, Uh,

885
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 3: the green for him there on the green, regardless of

886
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 3: what flavored is Kelly Forrest, et cetera.

887
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 2: Uh, you have the chance to do that your entire career.

888
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 3: Think about the legacy, think about those things, and I

889
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 3: romanticize it as a fan. You know, I want every

890
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 3: player we draft to turn out to be a pro

891
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 3: bowler who spends their entire career in purple like you did, right,

892
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 3: But that clearly is not the case. But at a

893
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 3: college sports level, you know, you think about that legacy,

894
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: and then you do think about how many NFL players

895
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 3: even get a second contract, right and very few. We're

896
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 3: all appreciative of c. J. Ham's time here, and you

897
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 3: think about his career. Arc made a nice, damn nice

898
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 3: career for himself, right, That ain't the norm. No, and

899
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 3: a lot of these guys disappear, and especially like senior

900
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 3: ball going on right now. In the draft, I'm going

901
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 3: to have some awful opinion on a defensive tackle that

902
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 3: I just think is just a bona fide stud for

903
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 3: the Vikings and he's going to end up in the

904
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 3: UFL in two years. Yeah, so you know the idea

905
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 3: of legacy man, he could be one of the best

906
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 3: Gophers of all time. To the livelihood he might be

907
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 3: twenty seven and working for an insurance agency.

908
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 2: Get that money while the money's available, dude. Yeah.

909
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: I mean, it's such a hard thing to understand because

910
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: we don't like it and always should be mad. At

911
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: is the is the people that controlled this thing and

912
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: the NCAA not putting the stamp on this thing ten

913
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: years ago when all this stuff, all this rumblings are

914
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: coming out and the losses are starting to hit, say

915
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 1: let's put some rules and parameters around this. That makes

916
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: some sense, right, And so it always comes too bad leadership,

917
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: good or bad leadership, And in this case, I think

918
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: the powers that be that controlled college sports tried to

919
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: fight this narrative of we're never going to let kids

920
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: have and have any NLI like sorry, any nil stuff.

921
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: We're going to control it. It's us.

922
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, if you wouldn't have fought that so hard

923
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: and started building structure around it, like I think, things

924
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: become a lot easier now. I think we can all

925
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: agree that maybe the bigger issue here is the ability

926
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: to transfer year after year for a year, jump into

927
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 1: the next check, to the next check, to the next check.

928
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: In some ways, it's a better market than the NFL.

929
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: You're not signing three to five year deals. You're signing

930
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: one year deals and you're jump into four teams in

931
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: four years.

932
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 2: That's happening.

933
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: Now, You're pulling kids out of the G League to

934
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: go play college basketball for a big for a big number.

935
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: It just because there's no rules in place, and so

936
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: be mad at the structure or lack thereof, and pray

937
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: or hope that somebody gets involved. Hopefully not our government,

938
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: because I know they've gotten involved in Congress has an

939
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: opinion and all these kind of things because of the

940
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: lawsuits that gets involved. It's like you wish the powers

941
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: of at the time would have put some carameters around it. Now,

942
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm dealing with my own child, right with

943
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: Mad going to college next year. You're talking about the

944
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: nil stuff. You're talking about revenue sharing, all that stuff's

945
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: trickling down to even high school now trickling into high school,

946
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: like Minnesota's open market in high school when it comes

947
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: down to nil. So like you have those things that

948
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: are happening, Man, I gotta get a instello. Yeah, I

949
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: got them, go and get work on that left hand man.

950
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: And you, this is not helping sports parent culture, by

951
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 1: the way, you want to tell you about exacerbating the problem.

952
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's exacerbating the issue with you sports and

953
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: the and the spend that people think they're going to

954
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: get that check. And in realities, in some cases that's happening, right,

955
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: in a lot of cases. I mean the way you

956
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you're like, Okay, well why,

957
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I am I really going to hire an

958
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: agent for my eighteen year old kid? Well, I didn't

959
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: think I needed to until I saw the contract that

960
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: got sent to me. I mean that's what's happening though, right,

961
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: I mean, these a lot of parents are out there saying, now,

962
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: now my kid's gonna sign something that I have no understanding. Right,

963
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: I'm not an attorney. I don't have any and i'm

964
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: any any background in that, right. I'm a l a

965
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: farmer that played football. Yeah, right now, all of a

966
00:40:58,560 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: sudden you're gonna go.

967
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 3: You're just trying to get a franchise tag from from

968
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 3: Rest and all of a sudden you get you get

969
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 3: this contract.

970
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, what And And it's not indictment on Kentucky.

971
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: It's not indictment on anything other than the situation of

972
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: where we're at. So like, if you don't get some

973
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: version of representation that can read and understand that you're

974
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: having your kids sign something you don't know, it's going

975
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: to set them up for the next four And again

976
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: it comes it still comes down to UH and coach

977
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: Farents And I always said this the best and I'm

978
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: assuming it's the same way here with coach Fleck. Is

979
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: you can still build around culture and guys. You can

980
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: still have success around the right guys that want to

981
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: be there, that aren't willing and looking to jump to

982
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: a check. I think that's still real in football In

983
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: a lot of cases and a lot of places, you

984
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: know you're gonna have the coy paratuses are gonna pop up,

985
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: but for the most part, the majority of your rosters

986
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: thinking that way, like I want to be a gofer,

987
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: I want to be here.

988
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: I'm not looking to jump to the next check.

989
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: But he's the foundation of the program, and that's the

990
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: foundation of the program. And Coach Faran said that to

991
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: me three years ago and ask him, like, what are

992
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: we going to do here? He's like, well, I mean,

993
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to be a hawkey. You're gonna want

994
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: to stay here and you want to play for what

995
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: we're doing. And again, if you and to be this

996
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: guy that's going to go collect a big check somewhere

997
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: else that we can't afford, than those guys are going

998
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: to exist. But for the most part is who we

999
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: are now. College basketball, to me is a completely different world, smaller,

1000
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: smaller roster sizes, less to take care of.

1001
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: You know, obviously you.

1002
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: Get a high profile guys and be jumping all around.

1003
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: To me, if you can solve that transfer allowing multiple

1004
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: transfers year after year after year with no change in

1005
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: head coaching and no changing opportunity, to me, that would

1006
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: be the way to build the structure, to start it,

1007
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: to create some continuity for these these clubs and the

1008
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: kids right now that are going to be effecting the

1009
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: most high school kids that are being recruited because universities

1010
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: aren't even looking to high school kis. The college men's

1011
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: game is like they're not even recruiting high school boys

1012
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: unless you're a blue blood, top tier.

1013
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just unfortunately the reality. Well, you're the

1014
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: best man. I appreciate you, Sean and giving some insight

1015
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 3: on that. And hanging out on a Friday morning again

1016
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 3: a popa rel like conversation on football fees Friday. That's

1017
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 3: Chad Greenway. Thank you Chad on a weekly basis, hanging

1018
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 3: out nine to noon, just a small ode to a

1019
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 3: former making around the corner before we get to Gorgy

1020
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 3: at ten o'clock, it's norda win for Pa right here

1021
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 3: on the fan.

1022
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: Bonus. Fox is back on.

1023
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Speaker 5: KFA and we have nine chances for you to one

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00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 5: a thousand dollars every weekday. It's every hour from nine

1025
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 5: am till five am. Dur keywords and learn more at

1026
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 5: KFA dot com. Welcome back nine to noon, nord to

1027
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 5: win for Pa. Just seeing some news here, Brett. You

1028
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 5: found something I don't know.

1029
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 3: If you have the post up, who did you first

1030
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 3: see reporting it this morning in relation to the baseball team.

1031
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 3: I saw Gleaman post at first, Okay, Aaron Gleaman of

1032
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 3: the Athleticviathletic dot com one.

1033
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: Of the best.

1034
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 5: But since then, the Twins have confirmed it on their

1035
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 5: ex accounts, and the tweet reads as follows, Yeah, give

1036
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 5: me that. The Minnesota Twins, they announced at the club

1037
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 5: and former president baseball and business operations Derek Falvey have

1038
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 5: mutually agreed to part ways. Executive president and general manager

1039
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 5: Jeremy Zohl will continue leading the twins baseball department. Executive

1040
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 5: chair Tom Pohlad will assume interim oversight of the club's

1041
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 5: business operations, and they go on to list Falve's accomplishments

1042
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 5: and stats during his time with the Twins.

1043
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: But that's it, Falve out of your Minnesota Twins. Okay, Well,

1044
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: I know I might have to. I'm jumping on the

1045
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: phone right now. I apologize for pausing.

1046
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 3: Basically, my my original plan was to give an ode

1047
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 3: to to a former member of the Minnesota Vikings stepping

1048
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 3: his way up in his coaching career. Uh but but

1049
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 3: Derek Falvey now Thad Levine leaves a couple of years ago,

1050
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 3: and uh, the the malaise around around the baseball team,

1051
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 3: and it's it stinks too because there are so many

1052
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 3: great people, like just having we had Derek Shelton in

1053
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 3: a new Twins manager just last week, excuse me. And

1054
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 3: Shelton's a guy that I want to root for. And

1055
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 3: I love Mitch and I love Uh, I love Dustin,

1056
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: and I love so many people over there. But the

1057
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 3: team is just in an awful spot and the the

1058
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 3: the dark cloud hanging over the ownership. We're gonna sell,

1059
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 3: Actually no, we're not, and we're excited to not be selling.

1060
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 3: And we're gonna add these these mysterious secondary partners to

1061
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 3: the whole mix and put some fresh eyes on things.

1062
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 2: And you hear some news.

1063
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: It sounds like some agreement was made within the last

1064
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 3: couple of days with with Joe Ryan.

1065
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: So you're digging that positivity people to root for for

1066
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: your home town.

1067
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 3: Nine In twenty twenty six, Eddie Julian, I believe those

1068
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 3: sent packing. Maybe that was as recent as yesterday, but

1069
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 3: but just kind of what the hell this thing's going

1070
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 3: to look like in twenty twenty six, in putting the

1071
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 3: baseball team together and Derek Falve really kind of headmanning

1072
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 3: this charge, of course, and you mentioned it. It is

1073
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 3: all the way back to twenty sixteen when he was

1074
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 3: when he was first hired. Is that what you're saying

1075
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 3: from the post? I thought it was twenty seventeen or

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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen October twenty sixteen. He was named President Baseball

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Speaker 3: Operations in twenty.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen, twenty nineteen. Excuse me, okay, little title change, fancy

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Speaker 2: your business card? Good for him. So we're office bigger

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Speaker 2: a little bit. So we're gonna we're gonna dig into this.

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Speaker 3: And I got Johnny Athletic joining at eleven, focusing mostly

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Speaker 3: on hoops, but maybe we can get some some thoughts

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Speaker 3: from him as well, but we will now because we're

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Speaker 3: up against it, We're just gonna pause. And so Derek

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Speaker 3: Falve and the Twins mutually agreeing to part ways. Significant

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Speaker 3: news for the Minister to Twins and the fan base

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Speaker 3: as well. We'll dig more into that over the course

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Speaker 3: of nine to noon. But when we return, big news

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Speaker 3: for the Minnesota Wild four to one winners over Calgary

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Speaker 3: last night at Grand Casino Arena. Kevin gorg was on site,

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Speaker 3: and we're gonna chat, some hockey and maybe his favorite

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Speaker 3: football team, and some Super Bowl bits around the corner.

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Speaker 3: As the ten am hour gets started, it's Nordo win

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Speaker 3: for PA nine to noon