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Speaker 2: Well, about twenty six hours ago, Rord broke, just before

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Speaker 2: basically engage in a ceasefire for two weeks. Well it's

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Speaker 2: where we're headed as a world. Professor BANAWAZIZI thank you

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Speaker 6: My understanding is that each side presented a list of demands.

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Speaker 2: What I was thinking was that there was not an

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Speaker 6: We're not surely. The day after, shortly after the ceasefire

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Speaker 2: I want to incorporate callers during this hour, and I

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Speaker 2: my guest, distinguished Boston College professor a Lie Banawaz Easy.

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Speaker 2: He has taught at Boston College for a long time

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Speaker 2: Uh And he's been on this show with us two

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Speaker 5: It's NIC's Eye with Dan Ray on Boston's News Radio.

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Speaker 2: My guest is Professor Ali Bano is Easy, Professor real

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Speaker 2: quickly before we do go to phone calls and I

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Speaker 2: I promise. How how do you possibly think I'm not saying,

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Speaker 2: I'm not directing this with you. I'm saying, how can

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Speaker 2: seems to me like a herculean task.

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Speaker 6: It certainly does sound like herculean task. But at the

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Speaker 6: It has been under remarkably stressful conditions thanks to the various,

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Speaker 2: How can we assume that that we're going to be

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Speaker 6: Or uh, it's pretty this way. I think President Trump

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Speaker 6: The goals, as I think everyone by now knows, included

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Speaker 5: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: My guest is Boston College professor Ali Banawa is easy.

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Speaker 7: Oh sir my, my. My touch of this is I.

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Speaker 8: Hope Israel keeps bombing them, and I hope you can't

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me let me let me do this, Steve.

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Speaker 2: I I want him to comment on your comment because

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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, I respect his opinion, and it

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Speaker 6: As I mentioned before, Iran and the United States had

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Speaker 6: That I must add that the attacks on Iran, the

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Speaker 6: I can understand your position of you know, this enmity

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Speaker 7: Steve, you want to respond, sorry, I don't want to

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Speaker 7: Who can And we should take over the Strait of

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Speaker 8: Iranians at all. Who are they the black blackmail ships

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Speaker 7: It's a free ocean. They don't own the ocean, and

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Speaker 2: Okay, Steve, I told you.

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Speaker 7: I told Dan Ray a few months ago. I called

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Speaker 8: He probably remembers Jeeves the painter Gotamas was never going

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Speaker 7: They never did.

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Speaker 2: I look, I agree and understand exactly what you say.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, I think the point that you acknowledge,

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Speaker 2: I thank you for your point of view, and I

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Speaker 7: Regime is gone. It's never going to happen until well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Professor got to take one quick

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Speaker 2: Delighted to be joined by Professor Ali Bono is Easy,

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Speaker 9: Well, good evening, gentleman. Again, my question maybe a little

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Speaker 2: Yeah, another another great and that's a great question. And

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Speaker 6: Well, according to Israeli officials of the attack that occurred

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Speaker 6: called the Switzerland of the Middle East, is truly shameful.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well, hey, thank you very much, very nice answer.

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Speaker 9: This is a very difficult situation.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate your because Dennis, as always you always contribute

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Speaker 2: to the program. Thank you so much. Talk to you soon,

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Speaker 2: you know, Professor. Last night I was talking with a

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Speaker 2: professor from Tufts. I suspect that you probably know of

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Speaker 2: whom I speak Professor Dresner, Daniel Dresner at the Tough

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Speaker 2: Fletcher School. And in the conversation with him last night,

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Speaker 2: we were talking about the amount of deaths that had occurred.

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Speaker 2: And I have information that comes from the Iranian Health

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Speaker 2: Organization through Al Jazeera that so far, and I know

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Speaker 2: that any number of fatalities is terrible. Uh, the number

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Speaker 2: of Iranians who have died, including the military personnel who

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Speaker 2: where I think most of our firepower was directed, it

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Speaker 2: is two thousand and seventy six. This was as of

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Speaker 2: earlier this week. And again this came from the Iranian

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Speaker 2: Health Organization. In view of the number of sorties that

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Speaker 2: the US planes and the number of missions that have

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Speaker 2: been flown by the US, it appears to me, from

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Speaker 2: those numbers, which again come from the Iranian health ministers,

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Speaker 2: that we've done a pretty good job of minimizing civilian casualties.

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Speaker 6: Yes, apparently some thirteen thousand sites have been attacked, and

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Speaker 6: those have included some civilian sites. Let me mention only

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Speaker 6: two of them very briefly. There was an institution in

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Speaker 6: Iran called the Pasteur Institute that was created by the

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Speaker 6: French same institute in Paris is back in nineteen twenty

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Speaker 6: and that was the principal institution for preventing various diseases,

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Speaker 6: vaccinations and so on.

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Speaker 2: So probably named after Lewis Pastura.

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Speaker 6: That's right. So that was attacked. A number of schools

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Speaker 6: and universities have been attacked. One example is a university

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Speaker 6: called Sheriff University, which is the equivalent of the MIT

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Speaker 6: in Iran. And paradoxically, that university was one of the

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Speaker 6: major sites of opposition to the Iranian regime for several

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Speaker 6: years and that has been attacked. And that is quite truly,

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Speaker 6: truly upsetting to a vast majority of young.

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Speaker 2: People, understandably. So I was not aware of that.

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Speaker 6: Yes, so, and of course, as I think you know

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Speaker 6: clearly you know the regime has been decapitated, uh, you know,

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Speaker 6: the supreme leader and you know various other high ranking

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Speaker 6: officials have been decapitated, and uh, and that is somewhat unusual.

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Speaker 6: I mean, one would have to go back to the

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Speaker 6: Second World War to find examples of that magnitude. Unfortunately, however, uh,

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Speaker 6: the the consequence of that decapitation has been, you know,

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Speaker 6: coming up of officials who are much more radical than

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Speaker 6: the ones that who were there in the first place.

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Speaker 6: So we haven't really achieved anything by those that It's.

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Speaker 2: Almost almost tough to imagine. I got one more phone call.

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Speaker 2: I want to get in here for you though, because

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Speaker 2: it's someone it's an American who spent some time in

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Speaker 2: Iran on a mission of mercy many years ago when

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Speaker 2: there was an earthquake in Iran. This is raw from

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Speaker 2: Newton Ron say hi to my guest, Professor Ali Banawazisi.

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Speaker 10: Hi, Professor, thank you so much for being on two things.

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Speaker 10: I wanted to contribute to your thoughts about the past

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Speaker 10: year Institute. I've been following it fairly closely, especially around

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Speaker 10: the Kreman and Bam area, for which I understand a

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Speaker 10: lot of folks have fled to those areas, and even

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Speaker 10: though there's a fair amount of Islamic Red Crescent spaces

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Speaker 10: set up, they have been overwhelmed with both local and

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Speaker 10: trauma coming from the Iran region simply because they don't

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Speaker 10: have enough antics and vaccines coming from that very site.

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Speaker 10: And I also wanted to counter the first call by

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Speaker 10: saying that my experience when when I was in Bam

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Speaker 10: and Creman was that I worked with hand in hand

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Speaker 10: with terrific physicians, interpreters, and.

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Speaker 7: Uh it was.

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Speaker 10: It was an extraordinary, wonderful experience, and I agree. I

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Speaker 10: just wanted to back up the thought that eighty percent

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Speaker 10: of the folks there are just terrific people to work with,

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Speaker 10: that that's a great posed. Yeah, I had a colleague

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Speaker 10: at mass General for quite some time, and I thank

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Speaker 10: you for being on. You know, as as Lewis Pastor

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Speaker 10: once said, chance favors the prepared mind, and I think

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Speaker 10: you're helping us head in that direction.

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Speaker 2: Thank you all as you as you know you're you're

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Speaker 2: a good listener and a good caller, and you know

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Speaker 2: we're up against it. So I didn't mean to interrupt you,

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Speaker 2: but I got to let you go on because they

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Speaker 2: have to have to get out of the way for news.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Ron, appreciate your.

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Speaker 10: Calling both of you my pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Professor. I cannot thank you enough for your your thoughtful presentation.

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Speaker 2: As always I guarantee you that I'd like to be

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Speaker 2: back to you, probably a lot sooner than you expect,

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Speaker 2: particularly if this continues in a good direction. And I

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Speaker 2: know that it's an imposition, but I just on behalf

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Speaker 2: of my audience want to say thanks very much for

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Speaker 2: being willing to join us this.

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Speaker 6: I think thanks to the last caller, I very much

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Speaker 6: appreciated his comments and his service to humanity.

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Speaker 2: Many thanks, absolutely, We will talk soon. Boston College Professor

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Speaker 2: Ali Bana is easy uh on the status of the

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Speaker 2: US around cease fire, which hopefully will continue to hold. Professor,

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Speaker 2: we will talk soon.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much, Thank you, good night, good night.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back right after the ten o'clock news with

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Speaker 2: another very interesting guest and phone calls. We'll be back

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Speaker 2: right after this