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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy gave his an augular dress today and he

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Speaker 1: seemed to have won the opening press conference, joining me

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Speaker 1: not to discuss he covers the Steelers for the Athletic

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Speaker 1: it's Mike de Fabo.

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Speaker 2: Mike am I right.

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Speaker 1: I thought McCarthy clearly won his opening press conference.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's all that matters, right, winning that press conference.

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Speaker 3: But I think the biggest thing that stuck out to

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Speaker 3: me was he was clearly emotional when he started talking

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Speaker 4: The coach in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: And no matter how you feel about the hire, and

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Speaker 3: I think we all have different points of view on that,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you have to understand how cool it must

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Speaker 3: understand that football is everything in Pittsburgh, and now.

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Speaker 4: He gets to leave them.

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Speaker 3: And I think that that was maybe the biggest takeaway

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Speaker 3: with the front two rows, which is so many people there,

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Speaker 3: so it's nothing else. This is a very sentimental moment.

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Speaker 3: But ultimately that sentimental moment will wear off, and ultimately

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Speaker 3: the question is can he find and develop the next

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Speaker 3: in that order is how he should be judged.

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Speaker 2: Oh, no question about that.

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Speaker 1: And really, in terms of information, I'm not sure we

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Speaker 1: learned much from that press conference that we didn't already know. Mike,

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Speaker 1: for example, I think we knew he got hired in

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Speaker 1: And boys sided to me like, there is indeed a

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Speaker 1: good chance of that, and they've clearly talked.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike McCarthy said that they've already spoken. And really

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Speaker 3: it seemed to me like Aaron Rodgers was leaving the

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Speaker 4: When we asked Aaron.

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Speaker 3: He said, look, I'm going to be a free agent.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to have one or two options. And when

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Speaker 3: he said one or two options to me, I was thinking,

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Speaker 3: he's either going to play.

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Speaker 4: For the Steelers next year or he's going to go

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Speaker 4: play with his buddy Kevin O'Connell.

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Speaker 3: And now the fact that you brought in Mike McCarthy,

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Speaker 3: a guy who knows him well, who contributed in some

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: Ultimately, I think that the ball is now in Aaron Rodgers' court,

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Speaker 3: and what does he want to do? In trying to

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Speaker 3: predict what or when Aaron Rodgers is going to make

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Speaker 3: a decision is always a dangerous game. But again, my

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Speaker 3: to playing than thinking that his playing days were done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that being the case, Mike, I can't wait

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Speaker 1: forever for him. If I'm a new coach, even if

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Speaker 1: can't wait forever. In fact, I wouldn't wait till past

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Speaker 1: it can't go like it did last year. I think

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Speaker 1: that was ultimately, to some small degree damaging, especially given

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Speaker 3: Now I agree with you, Mark, and especially because Aaron Rodgers'

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Speaker 3: excuse during that time was he said he had family issues. Well,

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Speaker 3: if that was the reason before that, there should be

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Speaker 3: no reason why he can't make a timely decision for

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Speaker 4: And I'm kind of on.

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Speaker 3: The fence and more towards the negative aspect of Aaron

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Speaker 3: They had been stockpiling draft capital with the plan of

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Speaker 4: Draft to land that quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, the twenty twenty six quarterback class has virtually collapsed.

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Speaker 3: You've got Fernando Mendoza, who's going to go first overall

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Speaker 5: You who are we talking about here?

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Speaker 3: Maybe Ty Simpson is kind of the guy people are

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Speaker 3: So there's a couple other guys you might be able

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Speaker 3: But the way I look at I think the Steelers

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Speaker 3: Maybe he can provide more time to get you in

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Speaker 4: Seven quarterback class.

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Speaker 3: But before long, they can't keep just putting these veteran bandings.

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Speaker 3: They've got to find the future franchise quarterback. And ultimately,

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Speaker 3: again that's what McCarthy's going to be judged by, not

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Speaker 1: Well, if Rogers doesn't come back, what about Malik Willis?

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Speaker 1: What about Will Howard?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean I think that your options if it's not

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Speaker 4: I don't know that he has it in him.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't like you look at Sam Darnold and other

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Speaker 1: It together at the NFL level, right, They weren't like

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Speaker 2: And but that said, he's kind of the flavored du jour,

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Speaker 2: isn't he, Mike.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if the Steelers should want him. I'm

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Speaker 1: even less sure that they could get him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Malik Willis would fit more so into the modern NFL.

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Speaker 3: And here's my biggest gripe I guess with with bringing

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Speaker 3: You know, if you're into sports gambling, one of the

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Speaker 5: Down the list.

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Speaker 3: And when you play really elite defenses, which is what

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Speaker 3: of that. And that was what hurt Aaron Rodgers the most.

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Speaker 3: You look at his numbers, it's really.

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Speaker 5: Two different stories with him last year.

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Speaker 3: How he's played against average the blow average defenses, and

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Speaker 3: how he played against top ten defenses. And when he

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Speaker 4: He turned the ball over.

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Speaker 3: More than than he threw touchdown passes. And I know

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Speaker 3: people are going to say, oh, yeah, isn't that every quarterback, No,

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Speaker 3: it's not. With Rogers. It was to a much greater

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Speaker 3: degree that the decline was much more precipitous because of

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Speaker 3: the fact he doesn't have mobility and that the deep

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Speaker 3: think my fear would be Rogers can get you what

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Speaker 3: he got you last year. He can get you to

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Speaker 3: ten and seven. He can get you to the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: But when you see the good defense, Virtually every time

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Speaker 4: Was a very, very disappointing performance.

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Speaker 2: And he clearly doesn't want to get hit either. We're

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Speaker 2: talking to Mike.

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Speaker 1: The fable of the athletic brought to us by Armstrong

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Speaker 1: the Internet. You can count on the people you can

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Speaker 1: trust Armstrong one wire dot com. Why did the Steelers

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Speaker 1: back off the younger coaches like Shula and Shielhouse, the Kubiaks.

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Speaker 1: That was their old model for hiring and they just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you get the nail on the head mark.

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Speaker 3: That would be my biggest complaint about this whole thing

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Speaker 4: They only had three in person interviews.

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Speaker 3: They brought in two minority candidates to check the box

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Speaker 4: And that's what you do.

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Speaker 3: If you can go get Ben Johnson, if you can

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Speaker 3: guy who's clearly the top guy on the market. Mike

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Speaker 3: McCarthy was not clearly the top guy on the market.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not even saying they should have hired Shula

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Speaker 3: for an interview. Well, why why was Shula and Seelhouse

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Speaker 1: No, I agree totally. I find myself wondering two things.

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Speaker 1: If McCarthy wasn't like preordained as a successor the moment

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Speaker 1: And if Art didn't want some young guy who would

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was kind of funny to your

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Speaker 3: point there, Mark, that Art has repeatedly said that the

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Speaker 3: these teams have all these excessive titles and extra staff members. Well,

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Speaker 3: the same franchise that does not employ a passing game

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Speaker 4: And that's one thing that I would like.

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Speaker 3: To see change with this next regime is approaching the

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Speaker 3: mean by that is acquiring the most and the best

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Speaker 4: Here's another way to look at it. The Steelers built.

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Speaker 3: Their dynasty in the seventies because Chuck Noll was an

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Speaker 3: elite coach. You need to have elite coaches plural now

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Speaker 3: to win. Just look at the Rams and how people

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Speaker 4: I would love to see the Steelers do that.

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Speaker 3: And I think that that begins first and foremost with

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Speaker 3: the defensive coordinator. Like Sean Payton has had this resurgence

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Speaker 1: It strikes me that hiring McCarthy, which is basically running

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Speaker 4: Maybe they win a playoff game. Maybe they don't, and

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Speaker 1: You know what amazes me, Mike is that New England

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Speaker 1: just six years after Brady left. Why don't the Steelers

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Speaker 1: look at that and think, you know, maybe we're not

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you, Mark.

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Speaker 6: I think that they just refuse to punt on a season, or.

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Speaker 4: Not even punt on it.

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Speaker 3: They just only look at the end result that year,

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Speaker 3: and I just again, I just feel like you don't

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Speaker 3: I think you should measure success of a season this

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Speaker 3: that's that's what I ultimately would be doing if I

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Speaker 1: Mike is always absolutely great stuff, good content at the

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Speaker 3: All right, Tom, great, Mark, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: One O five to nine.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Mark, Great show as.

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Speaker 2: When you got a young trophy white.

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Speaker 1: Oh's Monday that I can't even quote the big o'bowski right,

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Speaker 1: goodbye the.

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Speaker 2: X at one oh five nine.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff from the Favo, good stuff all day. After

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Speaker 1: the McCarthy inauguration com press conference, McCarthy came off good.

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Speaker 1: He cried, he said, here we go. He pronounced will

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Speaker 1: haird with that hardians Or accent. He said, Pittsburgh is

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Speaker 1: my life. His whole family was there, his mom and dad,

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Speaker 1: YadA yadas. What came off great? He won the press conference.

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Speaker 1: I still don't think he's the right Hire didn't tell

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Speaker 1: us anything. We didn't already know he's gonna be calling

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Speaker 1: the plays. We knew that he wants Rogers back. We

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Speaker 1: figured that they can't let Rogers take past the beginning.

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Speaker 2: Of March to decide, just can't.

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Speaker 1: They will be doing their team and the change over

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Speaker 1: to a new coaching staff a great disservice if they

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Speaker 1: let Rogers wait as long as he wants to decide.

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Speaker 1: But I have a hunts they will do just that.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Nick. Nick, you're on calls on the fifteen.

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Speaker 3: I'm mark uh so, we need to replace russ On

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Speaker 3: the first line, and well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for three games, but they're three home games before

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Speaker 1: the break that you could really use points from to

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Speaker 2: So yeah, what would you do.

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Speaker 9: That?

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Speaker 5: I haven't really made a decision.

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Speaker 1: Uh do you Well, I'll tell them to hold off

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Speaker 1: on the assembly lines for practice.

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Speaker 2: Then, okay, what would you do? Tell me what you do?

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Speaker 5: Maybe call up Rutger mcgrorty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I said.

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Speaker 1: It'd be if he if he's ready, Yeah, i'd even

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Speaker 1: call coven. I'll give him a shot on Crosby's line.

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Speaker 1: But Crosby doesn't like playing with coyven, and uh, I

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Speaker 1: assume mc groarty's ready to play, he's in Wilkes. Whoever

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Speaker 1: McGroarty and coyven, and who would have to be summoned.

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Speaker 1: I would just put whoever enters the lineup on the

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Speaker 1: Crosby line directly where Rust was and not shake up

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Speaker 2: Are playing extremely well for three games.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a really let's go to Lenny. Lenny,

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Speaker 1: you're on with Mark.

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Speaker 10: I loved your column on Rogers. Rogers, take your time,

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Speaker 10: No Rush, talk to your wife anyway. With the McCarthy press,

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Speaker 10: it sounded like my uncle wrote it. It was great

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Speaker 10: the McCarthy press conference. Safe to assume that him being

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Speaker 10: here's why it matters to me. It makes me feel

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Speaker 10: good to see a local boy done good.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 10: I love Christian Kunk's long snapping, And ultimately, isn't that

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Speaker 5: So local boy done good me, I just don't.

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Speaker 10: I would love, actually to see a totally homegrown Pittsburgh

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Speaker 5: The Afternoon Double that I'm good to be on with

444
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:25,679
Speaker 5: you like always, I concur on floored. I'm in shock

445
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 5: that that's three games, you know, And i mean we've

446
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 5: talked about Tom Wilson over and over again. Tom Wilson

447
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 5: can take fifteen strides and literally try to end a

448
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 5: guy's career and put him in the second balcony and

449
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 5: if he goes to the bench, he comes back and

450
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 5: plays in the game, or you know, there's not an injury.

451
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,199
Speaker 5: A lot of times it's not even a penalty on

452
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 5: some of his hits, and never mind the suspension on

453
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 5: those kind of you know, predatory hits. I think in

454
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 5: the context of the game and the context of that hit,

455
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 5: I thought one game at the very very maximum, but

456
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 5: I was really thinking, Okay, this is going to be

457
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 5: a fine, this is gonna be a little pep whack,

458
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 5: and you know, like, don't do it again. He's never

459
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 5: been suspended before, he's never been fined before. Three games

460
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 5: is something with intent to really really hurt somebody. And

461
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,400
Speaker 5: I once again, it's not about the act, it's about

462
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 5: the result. Because brock Besser is now on IR and

463
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 5: so if brock Besster is okay, or if that's in

464
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 5: the middle of the game and brock Besser plays the

465
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 5: rest of the game, I don't even know if maybe

466
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 5: a penalty on the play, but I certainly don't think

467
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 5: there'd be a suspension. So the wild inconsistency of player safety,

468
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 5: it's beyondwards.

469
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Speaker 2: No question about that.

470
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Speaker 1: And now there's the question of how does Dan Mues

471
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 1: reconfigure his lines because Bork Yeah, I think a major

472
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 1: strength during this eleven two and two spell since the

473
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: holiday break is that the Penguins have four lines who

474
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: are all really meshing that with everyone, the hole has

475
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,719
Speaker 1: been greater than the sum of the parts.

476
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 2: What does MWS do now with Rusto?

477
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 5: Well, the easy thing is to move with Cargo Kel

478
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 5: over to the right side, because you don't have a

479
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 5: lot of you know, right hand shooting forwards that can

480
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 5: play up there. You know, your extra forward is is

481
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 5: Kevin Hayes. You know, do you just plug Kevin Hayes

482
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 5: in on that That's the easiest move because then you're

483
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 5: not touching any of the other lines. You know, call

484
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 5: me crazy, but I would actually entertain the thought of

485
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 5: putting a skinny Maulkin up on the left side with

486
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Speaker 5: Sid and Ricargo Kel and then sliding Kevin Hayes on

487
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 5: that line with China Coof and Tommy Mildell.

488
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Speaker 2: I don't want to.

489
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to make Novak and Chinakov stall out

490
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 1: that that line's been their best line recently.

491
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I mean.

492
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Speaker 6: I mean, that's why that's why I like.

493
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Speaker 5: Okay, then put Hazy up there right and just you know,

494
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 5: it's swallow hearts for three games and uh and where

495
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 5: you go? Kevin Hayes for three games. I think he

496
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 5: can do the job, you know, and you put Ma

497
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 5: cargotel Over on the other side, on the on the

498
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 5: right wing as the right hand shot.

499
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Speaker 1: And one thing we see BRKI is sometimes when a

500
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 1: guy's been a scratch for a while and he gets

501
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: in the lineup, he responds, Kevin Hayes has done that

502
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: this year, and I think he might even more so

503
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: play him with Sid.

504
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Speaker 5: I concur you know, we I know, we talked about

505
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 5: and it's almost like, you know, because we're not going

506
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 5: to give a lot of compliments to Kevin Hayes. We

507
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 5: give the old good guy and and and it's true,

508
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 5: and there's there is something to that because when the

509
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 5: guy sits for a while and he's he's a good

510
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 5: teammate and he's he you know, doesn't bring his disappointment

511
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 5: or dragging the lip into the locker room, which Kevin

512
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 5: Hayes he doesn't do, and you know he's doesn't ego

513
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 5: and you know it hurts him. But I don't feel

514
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 5: that from Kevin Hayes at all. So yeah, I think

515
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 5: a combination of you know, him being a pros pro

516
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 5: and understanding, hey, I'm on a good team here, you know,

517
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 5: don't be don't be the jerk here. You know, just

518
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 5: because you're not playing. You know, you'll find a way

519
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 5: to muster up a great work ethic and practice in

520
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 5: the gym, you know, and be a great teammate. And

521
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 5: then when you do get in there, you're right Mark,

522
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 5: and the guys in the room, they rally around you

523
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 5: and they pull for you to, you know, pull the

524
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 5: load whatever line you're on. So I have no doubt

525
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 5: if Kevin Hayes is that guy for three games, he

526
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 5: will do the job.

527
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: Uh brky.

528
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: I thought that trip West was magnificent, the four straight wins.

529
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 1: Who or what was the biggest catalyst in those four victories?

530
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 5: Goaltenders. Goaltenders are rock solid a key moments of the

531
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 5: game both she lost and skinner. The Penguins were not

532
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 5: let her perfect in any of those games. There there

533
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 5: were moments. They're playing, you know, teams with good offensive talent,

534
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 5: they're going to get their chances, and sometimes there are

535
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 5: odd man chances. Sometimes there are point blank chances, and

536
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 5: we don't really think a lot of them because we're

537
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 5: we're so uh you know, a wash. With the victory

538
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 5: of four straight games in Seattle and those Western Canada

539
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 5: teams and and we all, I think going into that,

540
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 5: we thought, okay, that Calgary Edmonton back to back, that's

541
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 5: going to be a tough one because Calgary played a

542
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 5: pretty boring, you know, systematic, you know game the game

543
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 5: they won here in Pittsburgh, and I had the potential

544
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 5: to do that on home ice also, And then if

545
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 5: you lose that game against Calgary, you got to roll

546
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 5: into Edmonton the next night, and none of that came

547
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 5: into play. You know, there's they just have this and

548
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 5: it's not a cockiness, Mark, it's it's an extreme confidence

549
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 5: in what they're doing and who they're doing it with.

550
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 5: And again, you've been around some crappy teams like I have,

551
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 5: but you've been around some good teams since, so right, Mark,

552
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 5: you know you know what smells right right, And you

553
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 5: know the way they were winning those games, You're like,

554
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 5: that wasn't just goaltending, That wasn't just sid, that wasn't

555
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 5: just stars, that wasn't just you know, caught a team

556
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 5: on an off night. No, all four of those games,

557
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 5: from Seattle to Calgary to Edmonton to Vancouver, the Penguins dictated.

558
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 6: The terms and said, this is the way the.

559
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 5: Game's gonna be played. You're going to adjust to us,

560
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 5: not us to adjust to you. We're gonna score the

561
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 5: first goal in each game, and then you're gonna be

562
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 5: chasing us, and then we're gonna lock it down. Our

563
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 5: goaltender is gonna make great saves and we're gonna win

564
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 5: all four games. And that's exactly what they did.

565
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, Borky, I believe in Stuart Skinner.

566
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: Say his name and he appears this. This guy's been

567
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: in the last two Stanley Cup finals. Didn't win, but

568
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: I think he observed absorbed in unfair share of the

569
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: blame thereof. I think that's easier than their stars looking

570
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: in the mirror up there in Edmonton. And what I

571
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: get from him is you talk about you can smell stuff.

572
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: He expects to win when the game gets tight. And

573
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: I'll be one, I'm not sure we had that with Jari.

574
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 5: No, you can be blunt all you want. We didn't,

575
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,239
Speaker 5: and when we did, it was it was fleeting right,

576
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 5: it was. There was not a consistency to it, you

577
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 5: know that we felt like, oh, we'll walk out of

578
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 5: the building like holy moly, Jars was unbelievable. But then

579
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 5: the next night, we're walking out of the building and

580
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 5: we're like, where is that Tristan jarity from two nights ago?

581
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 5: And there was too much of that, which left us

582
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 5: uneasy with the warm and fuzzies when he had a

583
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 5: great game. And that's what being so wildly inconsistent will

584
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 5: do to you. And right with Tristan, excuse me. With

585
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 5: Stuart Skinner, you don't feel that. And I guess he's

586
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 5: the new shiny car in the driveway too, you know,

587
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 5: but we just see his body language and and the

588
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 5: and the calmness that he makes big saves and when

589
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 5: he has to get athletic for a big guy, he

590
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 5: moves really well laterally without beating out of control. And

591
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 5: you're right, he just oozes win. He just ooses victory.

592
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 5: And you're right. It's not hoping to win, it's expecting

593
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 5: to win. And that's why when you asked me what

594
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 5: was the biggest reason for the Penguins, it was goaltending

595
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 5: because it just as you're sitting on the bench, you're

596
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 5: looking down at that guy number seventy four, or even

597
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 5: when she losses out there and you're like, man, my

598
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 5: goalie is locked in giddy up let's go.

599
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: We're talking to Phil bork here on the Home of

600
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: the Penguins one oh five nine the X Poor. Okay,

601
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: I want to get back to that line of maalking

602
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: China Coof and Novak, because well, we know that Gino

603
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: is still a good player.

604
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: In fact, he's playing above him beyond this year.

605
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: But I had barely heard of China Kopf before he

606
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: got here, and I had not been impressed with Tommy

607
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: Novak for most of his days as a Penguin. What

608
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: enables that line to do so well together? And not

609
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: only that, Porky, it happened immediately. There was no getting

610
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: to know each other process.

611
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 5: That was like, bang, you're right. It reminds me of

612
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 5: what we the.

613
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 6: Conversations we had when Gino was.

614
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 5: In the middle of Mantha and Brazo. Right, it's hard

615
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 5: to put your finger on why. Sometimes it just is.

616
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 5: And I think it's this situation also where number one

617
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 5: and I get maybe this is just me kind of

618
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 5: hopeful thinking that if Guinea Malkins never played with another

619
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 5: Russian forward, he played with Sergei Gonchar, but Conco is

620
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 5: a defenseman, so Gino's never had this opportunity. He had

621
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 5: Sergei Platnakoff here for a cup of coffee, and he had,

622
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 5: you know, a temph of the skill of china Koff,

623
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 5: And I.

624
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 6: Just think it's what a find for Kyle Dubis.

625
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 5: To get china Koff out of Columbus, a division rival,

626
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 5: and only have to give up a second and third.

627
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 5: You know, when we play those games against against Columbus

628
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 5: and Chinakopf was in the lineup, you always saw a

629
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 5: little slivers. But then you hear about the undercurrents of

630
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 5: him and his head coach and him as general manager,

631
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 5: that things were just not rosy there. And sometimes you

632
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 5: hear it a thousand times. Sometimes a guy needs a

633
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 5: different uh scenery, and that's what it's been for Tinakoff.

634
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 5: And then to play with a legend like it's Guinny Malkin.

635
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 5: He's he is such an unbelievable hockey player, the way

636
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 5: he can skate, the the way his mind, his hands

637
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 5: and his feet all keep up on the same same note.

638
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,479
Speaker 5: But then you add in Tommy Novak, who is playing

639
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 5: the best hockey I've ever seen him play. He's playing

640
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 5: with so much confidence and he's got so much hop

641
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 5: in his giddeup that you know, China cof can fly

642
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 5: and he's pulling, and he's making Malkin hitch his wagon

643
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 5: to both Novak and chinakof because both of them are

644
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 5: doing things that's such a high rate of speed, it's

645
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 5: making Gino do it at the same rates. And Gino

646
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 5: right now is hungry and he's fresh, and he's feeling

647
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 5: it and he's just having he's energized by everything that's

648
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 5: going on with this hockey team, and that line's just

649
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 5: fun to watch.

650
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: Porky.

651
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: You and I have been around the penwish for a

652
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: long time. We both can get a bit cynical, me

653
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: much more so than you. But I gotta tell you

654
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: it warmed to my heart when Ben Kindall, after not

655
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: scoring for nineteen games in his hometime of Vancouver, had

656
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: to buy one hundred and ninety some tickets and got

657
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: his money's worked with two goals.

658
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: That was just a great moment.

659
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 5: Wasn't it. And also in the back of the mind

660
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 5: he knew that that AMX card better be a high

661
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 5: limit because he had to go out for the rookie

662
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 5: dinner afterwards. So he had expensive weekend. Extensive extensive weekend,

663
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 5: expensive weekend for Ben Kindle, but I'm sure it was

664
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 5: worth it, and you're right, it did warm the cockles

665
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 5: of my heart. Also to see a young eighteen year

666
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 5: old kid, first time playing in his hometown, did not

667
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 5: score once, but to score twice and the Penguins victory,

668
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 5: all of it all wrapped up in a red bow,

669
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 5: last game of a four game road trip. We haven't

670
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 5: had something like that really since Jake Cansel, Right since

671
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 5: Jake Cansel came in and the first two shots against

672
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 5: the New York Rangers are both goals and were just like, hold,

673
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 5: what who is this kid? Where did this come from?

674
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 5: And he kind of never looked back from there, you know.

675
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 5: For Ben Kindle, I don't know if it's going to

676
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 5: be that easy at scoring goals. He has to work

677
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 5: pretty hard at it. But for him to find the

678
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 5: back of the net not once but twice, you're right.

679
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 6: It just again, it just energizes everybody.

680
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 5: It brings in that belief and that hope, and it

681
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 5: kind of it unifies the team, the people who work

682
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 5: in sales and in marketing and ticketing. Everybody is energized

683
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 5: by this. And then also the city, you know, because

684
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 5: we know what's going on in the north Shore with

685
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 5: both those teams, and now people are saying, holy moly,

686
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 5: what's going on over here on Fifth Avenue? That the

687
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 5: Penguins are playing some kind of hockey and we're gonna lose. Man,

688
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 5: they're entertaining the pants off of us. And so that's

689
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 5: just with these few home games that we have here,

690
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 5: we have three home games before the Olympic break, this

691
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 5: Billy should be packed to the guills, man, because it

692
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 5: is one hell of a hockey team to watch.

693
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Speaker 2: Porky.

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00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: The Penguins a second in the Metro, which is not

695
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,959
Speaker 1: a good division below Carolina, except maybe the Penguins are.

696
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: I think they got to finish second or third in

697
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: the Metro. I think both wild cards are likely to

698
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: go to Atlantic. And on top of that, if the

699
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: Penguins finished second or third in the Metro, they could

700
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: win a playoff series. Never mind just making it, but

701
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: I would like whatever matchup they got if they finished

702
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: second or third in the Metro.

703
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 5: Well, that's what this twelfth let's it twelve two and two,

704
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 5: I believe in the last or eleven two and two

705
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 5: in the last correct fifteen games, it's got you, right,

706
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 5: eleven two and two, it's got you up in the

707
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 5: top three of the metro, exactly where you want to be.

708
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 5: And that's why you want to push really hard in

709
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 5: these last few games before the Olympic break, because you

710
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 5: know what marches seventeen games in thirty one days. It's

711
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 5: an absolute bear, and so you've got to put yourself

712
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 5: in that position. And you're right. You look at what's

713
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 5: happening in the Atlantic, and it does I concur with you, Mark,

714
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 5: It does look like it'll be five teams from the Atlantic.

715
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 5: So you don't want to drop down into that mush,

716
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 5: that mess that's going to be, you know, six or

717
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 5: seven teams all scrambling for two spots in the wild card.

718
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 5: You do not want to drop down there. You've worked

719
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 5: so hard to get yourself up where you are. And oh, btw,

720
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 5: you play the Carolina Hurricanes times in the month of March,

721
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 5: the team that you were nipping at their heels now

722
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 5: and so forget about the New York Islanders, rip that

723
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 5: rear view mirror off. You got to just power ahead

724
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 5: and start hunting down the Carolina Hurricanes. That's what your

725
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 5: goal should be and everything else will take care of itself.

726
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: Well, what you got to do in that case working. Yeah,

727
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: I noticed they do play Carolina three times in March.

728
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: Got to win the first one. If you win the

729
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: first one, then they're starting to think about it.

730
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 5: Well, partner, they already beat them the one time in

731
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 5: Pittsburgh and they sampled them. Right, that's one of the

732
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 5: penguins the best games all year, and maybe they found,

733
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 5: you know, the magic recipe to beat the Carolina Hurricanes.

734
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 5: Now down the tobacco road. It's always a little bit difficult, right,

735
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 5: it's a little bit more difficult, But you should have

736
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 5: some kind of a blueprint and something edged in your

737
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 5: memory and the things that you did on home ice

738
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 5: here just a little while ago against those Carolina Hurricanes.

739
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 5: Because I was down between the benches and the Carolina Hurricanes,

740
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 5: they look completely lost. They would just look staring out

741
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 5: into outer space, thinking what the heck is going on here?

742
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: Finally, Borki, you've been on the Penguins when they made

743
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: some big trays that paid off. There's a report that

744
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: Dallas Stars might trade Jason Robertson because they can't re

745
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: sign him, can't fit him in under the cap. If

746
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: that's true, should the Penguins make a move and how

747
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: far should they go.

748
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 5: I would definitely go for a player like that. He

749
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 5: is he is just a proven goal scorer, he's a sniper,

750
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 5: and there's not a lot of guys like him, uh

751
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 5: that are available. And that's the thing that the guys

752
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 5: are out there, but teams that they're not going to

753
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 5: move them, they're not going to lock them up.

754
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 6: And here's the thing, what do I have to give up?

755
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 5: You know? I mean you've got, you know, a tractor

756
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 5: trailer full of draft picks. So that's that's absolutely on

757
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 5: the table. But what what.

758
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 6: Players are going to be?

759
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 5: Is it going to be rough? Is it going to

760
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 5: be raquel? I think that's probably somewhere in the conversation,

761
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 5: right and maybe multiple first round picks, But I think

762
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 5: it's it's a dialogue. I think I would assume it's

763
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 5: it's seriously going on. Because if a player like that

764
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 5: becomes available, and you are where you are in the standings,

765
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 5: and you have done all this this work over the

766
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 5: last couple of years to you know, compile all these

767
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 5: draft picks for opportunities like this, I would I would

768
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 5: assume a serious conversation or serious conversations have been going on.

769
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: What if they wanted Ruster Riquel as part of the deal.

770
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 5: Wow, well I have a tough time. I have a

771
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 5: tough time.

772
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I hasten to add.

773
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: In ninety one were there they traded Kulley and Zilapski.

774
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: In ninety two they traded Rex and Cough.

775
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 5: Yeah. I have to seriously consider it. I do. I

776
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 5: have the serious seriously considerate. I mean I have to

777
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 5: sleep on it a night because I don't know.

778
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 6: It's personally.

779
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 5: I love both those people and players. Yeah, I mean,

780
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 5: but but it's or you're right, it's a business and

781
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 5: if if you are one hundred per cent sure that's

782
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 5: the player that can get you to the next level,

783
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 5: you're right. Sometimes you have to make those deals, and

784
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 5: they're hard to say goodbye to guys. But if it's

785
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 5: absolutely positively gonna make you better, and you better do

786
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 5: your homework on that guy on you know what he

787
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 5: eats for breakfast and how many sheets he uses to wipe,

788
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 5: you better know him inside out. And because you know,

789
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 5: those are major deals on major players that are loved

790
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 5: in that locker room.

791
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: Four Ky has always great stuff. We'll see at the

792
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 2: rink Thursday night.

793
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 5: Join at Double M. Good hockey talk.

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Speaker 2: That's the old two nineer. I'm Mark Madden.

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Speaker 4: Of a two drafts bringing the duct tape type of prefers.

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Speaker 2: What they're gonna make us play a walker game. It's

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Speaker 2: not fair, it's not fair.

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Speaker 5: It's not fair.

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Speaker 2: I love the hockey talk.

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Speaker 1: I mean, McCarthy did grade at his inaugural today, but

821
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 1: he didn't say nothing makes me think they're gonna better

822
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: than ten and seven. Didn't say nothing that makes me

823
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: think they're gonna win a playoff game. But Stuart Skinner,

824
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: now you're talking. He's on this hot streak seven and

825
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: one in his last eight starts and goals against it

826
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: about one six say percentage at about nine to four,

827
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: and the Edmonton fans are like on Twitter saying, yeah,

828
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: you'll see he doesn't win.

829
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: What as opposed to Tristan Jarry.

830
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're waiting for him to solve your problems, you're.

831
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: Gonna be waiting for a while.

832
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: And anyway, in game seven in twenty four Stanley Cup

833
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: Final against Florida, you lost two to one, Skinner made

834
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: nineteen saves on twenty one shots and your offensive juggernaut

835
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,479
Speaker 1: soiled the bed and mcjesus got zero points. Like I said,

836
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: that was in the twenty twenty four final. Game seven,

837
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: Skinner did not excel, to be honest, in the twenty

838
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: twenty five final. But now the Oiler's got Jarry, and

839
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: let's see if that solves the problem for the Penguins.

840
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: So far, Skinner is winning games. You get ahead, you

841
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: feel like he's gonna win it. You got ahead with Jari,

842
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: it didn't feel like he was gonna win it. It

843
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: felt like no lead was safe, and it often wasn't.

844
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: And furthermore, Jarry did that thing where he kept letting

845
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: in the first shot. Now, when the Penguins beat Edmonton

846
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: last week, Jarry didn't let in the first shot. He

847
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: let in these second, third, and four shots. Not gonna

848
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: lie to you, that felt pretty good. Can you get

849
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: your calls in eight, three, three, four to one two WDX,

850
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: I got I gotta tweet? Why are you talking about hockey?

851
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: Because the Penguins are good and the Steelers aren't playing

852
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: because McCarthy's recycled. It's the same old story with them,

853
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: will be the same old story with them. You want

854
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: to fool yourself. It won't be for the first time.

855
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: Nothing different is going to happen with the Penguins. Something

856
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: different is happening. I can feel it. I can feel

857
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: it all the way down in my plums. Let's go

858
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: to a talkback.

859
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 3: I just wanted to ask, so you think that Mike

860
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 3: Tomlin leaving is more additioned by subtraction, even though the

861
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy hires underwhelming.

862
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 2: Just what your thoughts on that, thanks?

863
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: I think it's a sideways maneuver, a sideways higher lateral.

864
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: I will say that one of McCarthy's strongest qualifications is

865
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: that he's not Tomlin. Wondering about McCarthy's going to come

866
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: in and be in many ways the same kind of

867
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: coach I think as Tomlin, but.

868
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Speaker 2: He won't be stale.

869
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: I think there will be minimal change with McCarthy, but

870
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: at least there's going to be changed.

871
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 2: Well, I got to throw this out there. People are outraged.

872
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: They're like going nuts because Shdor Sanders is going to

873
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl.

874
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 2: Who gives a crap, it's a freaking flag football game.

875
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 13: Let's go to a talkback, hey, Mark, for my sanity,

876
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 13: I need the Steelers to have a winning season next year.

877
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 13: Can you imagine what the talking heads would be saying

878
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 13: if the first year after Tomlin leaves they finally have

879
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 13: a losing season.

880
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: Oh, Tomlin is already being martyred like he was fired.

881
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: When he wasn't fired, he quit. And if people knew

882
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: the whole story, he wouldn't be a martyr at all,

883
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: except maybe the altar of well, I have a great punch, Lamb,

884
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to use it. But yeah, he quit,

885
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: He's not a martyr, he's not a victim.

886
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: He didn't win a playoff game in nine years. But

887
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 2: you're right. If they have a.

888
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: Losing season after Toma didn't have any, if they have

889
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: a losing record in their first season of offing after

890
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: he quits, then yeah, people are gonna say see see

891
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: coach T And really a lot of his ex players

892
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: are doing that right now, before a game's been played

893
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: under Mike McCarthy, even before Mike McCarthy was named.

894
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 2: As I debated the other day, could be a black thing.

895
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not black. Let's go to Steve. Steve,

896
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: you're own with double M.

897
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, Hi, Mark, I've got a Stuart's Skinner question for you. Okay,

898
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 9: assuming things continue to go as well as they have

899
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 9: been lately and since he came on the scene last

900
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 9: months in Edmonton, what are you doing if you're Kyle

901
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 9: Dubis and if they have a good run and at

902
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 9: least win a playoff round, what are you doing next

903
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 9: off season? With Stuart Skinner, Are you keeping him? You're

904
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 9: going to try to keep him with pair with mirrorshof

905
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 9: or what.

906
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: I would keep him at a minimal price to pair

907
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: with Morrishoff, but that's not what they'll do. They have

908
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: shill Off signed through next year. They will go with

909
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: Shilloffs in morrishof I don't think they would re up Skinner. Now,

910
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: if you won two rounds, that might be a different

911
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 1: story depending how Skinner played, But even then, I think

912
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: the goaltending tandem next year is going to be Morrishoff

913
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Speaker 1: and Shilloffs five ninety x