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Speaker 1: Anybody in this town, or perhaps in any other town,

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Speaker 1: There was a greater polarization about, and debate and criticism about,

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Speaker 1: it stands. This is what it's come to. Where does

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Speaker 1: How could there be any question about him? How could

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Speaker 1: So what this tells me is some of the same

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Speaker 1: You've seen some of the and you know what, here's

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Speaker 1: highlight reels. You say he can't play in this offense. Well,

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Speaker 1: here's five of Koc's favorite routes, and here's Kyler Murray

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Speaker 2: Where he hits them. I just why is it this difficult?

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Speaker 1: Reality, is what we're hearing now that all the stuff

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Speaker 1: So the idea that we can just plug in a

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Speaker 1: You're exactly right about that. I don't know, maybe I

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Speaker 2: Just let's just go in. None of this means he

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Speaker 1: I'm just asking that we go in with our eyes

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Speaker 1: It's exactly what I thought on Kyler Murray and I,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna participate. We've had many opportunities to do it.

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Speaker 1: So accurate, right, it didn't he he rendered that meaningless.

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Speaker 2: We'll also have Louis to talk Puck.

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Speaker 1: And your Wolves are hosting the Phoenix Suns tonight. Now,

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Speaker 2: So do they know?

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Speaker 1: Do they do they abide by those schedule loss rules?

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Speaker 1: I think Phoenix has trying to make up their own

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Speaker 2: Would have you don't liked it a little earlier or

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Speaker 1: Questions for Gary, Indiana's own Rick Bosch hit the Bretch

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Speaker 1: Is it everything you'd hope for? Are you bored yet

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Speaker 3: I'm not bored. I'm content. I enjoy sleeping in I

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Speaker 1: Good for you, I didn't even know that. Thanks for

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna wear my White Sox year in sim

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Speaker 1: The reason the craziest sport in the country has suddenly

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Speaker 1: Teams, blue bloods with well resourced athletic departments and rich

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Speaker 1: The best players in college basketball now just gravitate up

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of that, and I guess everybody's

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Speaker 3: makes me even more cynical, I don't think it matters

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Speaker 3: that they don't follow the rules. They've never followed the rules,

442
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Speaker 3: So what difference does that make If they make rules,

443
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 3: people aren't going to go by the rules. And the

444
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 3: organizing body which has been the NCAA and never had

445
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Speaker 3: the resources and never had the firepower to make people

446
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Speaker 3: follow the rules, so now there are no rules. I

447
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 3: don't know. It's not good.

448
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Speaker 1: Dave checks in from Illinois. Would Bosich take all number one,

449
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Speaker 1: all four number one seeds or the field to win

450
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Speaker 1: the championships?

451
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Speaker 3: Either got to take all four, you get all four

452
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Speaker 3: number one in the field. I take all four number one.

453
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's easy. That's got to be couched.

454
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Speaker 1: A little bit better than that, is there among the

455
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Speaker 1: number ones. Is there a clear cut in your mind,

456
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Speaker 1: favored on the basis of strength and perhaps route to

457
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Speaker 1: the final four.

458
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Speaker 3: I don't think so. You know, Duke get the overall

459
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 3: number one seed, but they're a little bit vulnerable because

460
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 3: one of their guards injured his foot and it's had

461
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 3: some kind of surgery and I've read conflicting reports that

462
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 3: he probably wouldn't be back until the final four. Caleb Foster,

463
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 3: and they're in a tough regional because I mean the

464
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 3: Yukon's in their Patino's in there, Kansas and Bill Selfer

465
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 3: and there is those in there. It's a really good regional.

466
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Speaker 3: The next highest seed is Arizona. I do have them

467
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 3: going to the final for War and then Michigan. Some

468
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: people really like Michigan. Other people they had like a

469
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 3: freshman guard who got injured. I can't remember his name now,

470
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 3: and they said they kind of took away from their

471
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Speaker 3: team and they lost the Purdue on Sunday. I don't know.

472
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Speaker 3: I would go with the number one seeds though, over

473
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Speaker 3: the because I guess you were taking the field, you're

474
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Speaker 3: counting at a number two seed like Yukon or Houston

475
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Speaker 3: or Iowa State or Purdue and Ken Palm himself, who

476
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Speaker 3: does these ratings. I heard him on a podcast yesterday

477
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 3: he's picking Purdue to win it all, even though in

478
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Speaker 3: his own metrics probability wise, you know, only he has Purdue

479
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 3: in a four percent chance of winning it all. His

480
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Speaker 3: individual pick is Purdue.

481
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Speaker 1: So it looks like I didn't get to watch a

482
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Speaker 1: lot of the Big Ten Tournament, but I saw Purdue

483
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: obviously finished strong. The team that started number one in

484
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 1: the country then relatively speaking, seemed to fade a little bit.

485
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Speaker 1: So what people want to believe is they're getting their

486
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 1: mojo catching, you know, fire at the right time. How

487
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Speaker 1: do you view them and among Big Ten teams, do

488
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Speaker 1: you believe they do have the best chance to make

489
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Speaker 1: a run or is it Michigan.

490
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Speaker 3: I like Michigan better. I think there's some possibility that

491
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 3: purduees got bored at some point during the year because

492
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 3: they got their three best players are all well two

493
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 3: of them are four year seniors, and Trey Coppin reads

494
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Speaker 3: the fifty year senior, and they've been through it all

495
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Speaker 3: I did. At some point in their mind psychologically they

496
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: have to think this none of this matters until the

497
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 3: Big Ten Tournament and then tournament. That's what we're gonna

498
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 3: be remembered by. But they if you look at their

499
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,719
Speaker 3: season performance, they got beat at home. I think they

500
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 3: lost five home games, and like two or three of

501
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 3: them they got blown out of Iowa State and a

502
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,479
Speaker 3: couple came into Mackiam blew them out. And I just

503
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 3: don't as much as I like Braden Smith and Fletcher

504
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: Lawyer Lawyer, I think they struggle against more physical and

505
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 3: the athletic and determined guards and they could get to

506
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 3: the final four. I don't see them winning at all.

507
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think they're quite quite good enough.

508
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Speaker 1: Trail ref Guy rights Rick Duke got screwed in the

509
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: East region. Number one overall seed gets put in the

510
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: best region and it isn't even closed. Patino self is

511
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: a hurly Cronan Dixon and McNamara ridiculous.

512
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: Trail ref Guy is very bitter about the Duke road.

513
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said they did get the hardest road. I

514
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 3: was surprised by it. It's by Hall of Fame coach. Yeah,

515
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 3: I think by at least three of those coaches self.

516
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 3: The Patino and is of all won national championships. Yeah,

517
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Speaker 3: Early that's supportible National Championship.

518
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: That's true.

519
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Speaker 1: The best coach in college basketball today.

520
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 3: Is it's Patino. I mean, I don't think there's any

521
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 3: doubt about it. He's He's Saint John's was a joke

522
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: before he got there, and now he's got him winning

523
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 3: the biggest tournament in the Big East regular season, and

524
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 3: he's still is electric and as motivated he's ever been.

525
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 3: Now this is you know, the sixth set the record

526
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Speaker 3: last year, I guess taking six programs to the NCAA Tournament.

527
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 3: They got upset by Arkansas. But he's if you have

528
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: had any coach, take a coach to win one game

529
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 3: and be him, how.

530
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Speaker 2: Do you explain it Patino?

531
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Uh, he's just got different DNA and everybody else's

532
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 3: with an odd and he really is. He's he wants

533
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: to set records, he wants to create a legacy. And

534
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: he even got more motivated by the fact that he

535
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 3: got fired by Louisville and had to go to Greece

536
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 3: for a while and coach, and he wants to come

537
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 3: back and and show the world that, uh, you know,

538
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: I got a broad deal. I'm still the best coach around,

539
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 3: and I'm going to prove it to you. And you know,

540
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 3: theoretically Unca vacated that Louisville title title title, but everybody

541
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: knows he wanted. But he'd become the you know, the

542
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 3: only coach to win at three different places, and that

543
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 3: would be a legacy that would last forever. If he

544
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 3: would have stayed at Kentucky, he'd have the better record

545
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: than coach k I don't think it would be he would,

546
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: he'd be close. But that was a part of his personality.

547
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 3: He had that Larry Brownism minim where he had to

548
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: always go for the next challenge. But he's just different.

549
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 3: He just runs on you know, high caffeine, high energy,

550
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 3: and you know, just an anecdotal thing like he's up

551
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 3: at Saint John's and he likes this guy named Kenny Kline,

552
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 3: who was the Louisville A sports information director for a

553
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 3: long long time, and he decided he the Saint John's SID.

554
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 3: Not this season, but the season before had some kind

555
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: of stuff going on where he needed to fill in,

556
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 3: and he brought Kenny Kline in, and he liked him

557
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 3: so much having them around that he brought him back

558
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 3: again this year just because he wants to have his

559
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: whole operation at high efficiency. With the people that he

560
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: trusts and the people who do what he wants and

561
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 3: the way he wants him to do it. And he's

562
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: just he's different than any Night was a great coach too,

563
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: but he was flawed in terms of he couldn't control

564
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 3: his temper. But Patino, to me, is he's just different

565
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: than anybody.

566
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Speaker 2: Is he we're chatting with Rick Bozic.

567
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: Is he stylistically in terms of his demeanor or how

568
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: he deals with players? Is he the same as he

569
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: always was? Has he made any adjustments with the times?

570
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 3: A little bit, because I think he's had to, But overall,

571
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 3: I don't think that he's got the ability what separates

572
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 3: him from a lot of coaches who are really hard

573
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 3: on players. He can give it out, but then he

574
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 3: knows when he's given enough, and he knows when he

575
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 3: needs to go in there and make him laugh or

576
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: give him a hug or build them back up, where

577
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 3: a lot of coaches can't do that and after a

578
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 3: while and players tune them out. Patino has a marvelous

579
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 3: ability to motivate and drive people, but when they get

580
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 3: to the brink of saying I want to say, you know,

581
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 3: forget about you. He pulls them back in and builds

582
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: them up, and they they follow what he wants.

583
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: H questions are pouring in here.

584
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: Will you ask Rick if Butler or a school of

585
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: that ILK could ever really be good two years in

586
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: a row or is that all over in the current climate.

587
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: I think it's probably over because of the reasons we

588
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: talked about. If there's a really good player, they're moving on.

589
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 3: I mean, the Michigan's best player came from U A. B. Right, Wendborg.

590
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: Trying to think of the other top teams. Who sends

591
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 3: players that? I mean, Kentucky brought players up from schools

592
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 3: you know anner two below. Duke doesn't do that because

593
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: they don't have to. But you know, almost almost every team.

594
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: Purdue got a guy Kluff their center. They brought him

595
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 3: in from somewhere out west. You know, Michigan State up

596
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 3: doesn't do as much as others, but Florida they've rebuilt

597
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 3: their team this year with they got a guard from Arkansas.

598
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 3: Everybody doing it. I mean, I don't think there's very

599
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: few guys are that loyal, and then schools can't afford

600
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 3: to pay the numbers that I have a friend who

601
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 3: coaches in the Horizon League, and I asked him, like,

602
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 3: for his league, how much did they have to pay

603
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: a center And he said, this year one hundred and

604
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 3: fifty thousand, and he thinks next year to go up

605
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 3: to two hundred thousand. This is the Horizon League, which

606
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: is like the seventeenth best conference, you know, in their

607
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 3: computer rankings. So I mean the numbers that I hear,

608
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 3: like with some of the players that Indiana got this year,

609
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 3: I mean, they will blow your way then make the

610
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: tournament and the well.

611
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to get to that in a minute.

612
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: Why under the nil right seven to one guy? Is

613
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Speaker 1: that I'm hearing there's less parody in basketball, but at

614
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: the same time football seems to have more parody.

615
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: Very good question. I mean the parody is evidence, I

616
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 3: guess by what Indiana and Old Miss Yeah. I think

617
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 3: part of that was because Signetti is a unicorn and

618
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 3: he was the ability. He brought guys with him from

619
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 3: James Madison and he has the ability to find guys

620
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 3: at the He wasn't shopping at the Louis Vautan isle.

621
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: He was shopping at the you know, Trader Joe's isle,

622
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 3: and he found guys that fit his culture. And he

623
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 3: could coach up a little bit and they got better.

624
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 3: You know, that's a fair question, but I think it's

625
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 3: more that Signetti is just an usual coach.

626
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Speaker 1: Is Indiana ever going to be a basketball school again?

627
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 3: I don't know, man. I used to think it would,

628
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 3: but I'm not convinced anymore. This year. You know, they

629
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 3: were looking good three or four weeks ago and then

630
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 3: lost the north Western twice down the stretch, didn't make

631
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 3: the tournament. I think I think they want to. I

632
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: know the athlet director wants to, if he's a former

633
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 3: basketball student manager. Then they hired some guy from the

634
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 3: Pacers to be the quote general manager who's going to

635
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 3: deal with agents and bring guys in out of the portal.

636
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 3: But it's gonna I'm not convinced I would say that much.

637
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: Do you have a Final Four? Have you done your bracket?

638
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 3: Yeah? I did my bracket. I came up with Saint

639
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 3: John's I'm going with, backing up my support of Patino

640
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 3: at the East because I think Duke's vulnerable with the

641
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 3: injured guard. I'm going with Houston and Calvin Sampson to

642
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 3: beat Florida this time. They lost him in the championship game.

643
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: Last year, they'll beat him in the Elite eight and

644
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 3: get to the Final four. In the top right, I've

645
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: got Arizona because I think they've been the best team

646
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 3: overall all season. They got a good blend of freshmen

647
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 3: and veteran guys. And in the bottom right, I'm going

648
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 3: with the Wolverine. And then I got Saint John's a

649
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 3: Patino in the championship game playing Michigan, and I got

650
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 3: the Big Tens spending its drought, with Michigan winning the

651
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 3: championship and Indiana fans splitting their wrists.

652
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: The coach, the coach who got away. Yeah, so very

653
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: very true, thanks.

654
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 3: To Mike Woodson. Mike Woodson, the gift who keeps on

655
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: giving to.

656
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Speaker 1: You one of your favorites. As I recall, I mean

657
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: you liked him as a player. You liked him and

658
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: I as a player at you right, not so much

659
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: as a coach he was he was.

660
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 3: Never got to the final four. Let's take a note

661
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 3: of that.

662
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: No, he didn't, he didn't. I think I covered.

663
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: The last team that that got eliminated is Virginia Tech.

664
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: Knock him out.

665
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: Somebody knocked him out that wasn't supposed to. Oh, I

666
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: had a follow up, Oh tomorrow, we're having a writer

667
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: around who's got the new Larry Bird book out.

668
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen it.

669
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: And one of the most fascinating parts of the book

670
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: that I've read so far, because I just got it

671
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, is the theory. And I'm

672
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: wondering if you have any thoughts on this, because you're

673
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: you've been around the IU, you know, basket culture for

674
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: so long. So one of the theories looking back was,

675
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: you know, out for those who don't know Larry Bird,

676
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: it was going to go or it was going to

677
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: Indiana University. That was the plan, and it's supposed to

678
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: be a you know, a marriage made in Heaven.

679
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 2: It doesn't last very long.

680
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: He finds the school too big, he's overwhelmed, doesn't even

681
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: like what the way some other players apparently treat him.

682
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: And one of the theories is that the biggest mistake

683
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: that Knight and or the staff made was having him

684
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: room with Jim Wissman, who was the notion being Wisman

685
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: was a guard out of I want to say it

686
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: was Illinois, was he not and.

687
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: Quincy Illinois.

688
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: The theory was that you know, Larry Joe Byrd didn't

689
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: have much, you know, he was blue collar as hell,

690
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: and Wisman was kind of a privileged guy and he

691
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: had a full he came to McNutt quad with a

692
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: full wardrobe. Larry Bird had like two pairs of jeans

693
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: and like two shirts, and that if the I USE

694
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: staff had done a better job of pairing Bird with

695
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: somebody more of his ilk, that he might not ever

696
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: have left. Is that an an oversimplification or have you

697
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: heard that theory before?

698
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 3: I've heard it before, I've seen it written before. And

699
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 3: Jerry Whitsland was a good looking guy all the you know,

700
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: the young ladies liked so and Bird, you know, wasn't

701
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 3: and he would kind of backwards. I guess I want

702
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 3: to preface it with this. Bird already had some insecurity,

703
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 3: that evidence that showed themselves in the summer before he

704
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 3: got the IGU. He was on the Indiana All Star

705
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 3: team that played the series against Kentucky and he didn't

706
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 3: play much or as much as he thought he should

707
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 3: have played in the first game and he quit the team,

708
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 3: which nobody did back then, and didn't play in the

709
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 3: second game. And that was evidence to me of like

710
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 3: something's going on with this guy. You know, he's not

711
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 3: he he's a little bit skittish.

712
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: According to the book.

713
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 1: The part of the book I read, the late great

714
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: Bob hammil ripped him for that too.

715
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 3: I mean he I'm sure he did, because I'm sure

716
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: that was because back what you have to remember back then,

717
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 3: that game was a big, big deal. I mean, it

718
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: selld out Ininklefield House and Freedom Hall with you know,

719
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 3: in the middle of the summer, and being mister Basketball

720
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 3: and being on the All Star team was a huge honor.

721
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 3: It's not that way, but it was then, and you

722
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 3: just still't do stuff like that. And then the other

723
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 3: thing that I heard was that in pickup games some

724
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 3: of the players were rough with him or I don't

725
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 3: know if they said things to him or whatever, Benson

726
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 3: being one of them. He didn't get along with Ken

727
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 3: Benson or something. And that all contributed to the fact

728
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 3: and a kid who was homesick. Uh. And you know,

729
00:39:54,360 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 3: the campus can be overwhelming. But yeah, I don't I

730
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 3: think he made the right decision for him because he

731
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 3: went to Indiana State.

732
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: It worked out well.

733
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

734
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to chatting with him about the book tomorrow.

735
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: It's getting good reviews and I've liked what I've read.

736
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: I've downloaded the book. I'm going to listen to it

737
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: as an audio book, so I hope it's good. Keet

738
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 3: roasebook was good.

739
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: A standing, that was a great book. You're absolutely right.

740
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: Last item for you, World Baseball Classic. We were talking

741
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: about this early in the show. You're a ball guy,

742
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: you love ball. You're proving it by going to spring

743
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: training soon.

744
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: So explain to me.

745
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: It seems there seems to be a central contradiction here

746
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: where we're It's been dramatic, it's been exciting. The World

747
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: Baseball Classic has been everything you could have hoped for.

748
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: And yet again, quoting today from a Wall Street Journal story,

749
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: they're admitting that what we're starting a starting pitcher who

750
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: has apparently an electric arm, but has barely played in

751
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: the major leagues because no one else necessarily wants their

752
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: pitcher to use up his arm this close to the

753
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: start of the regular season. So do we have a

754
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: disconnect here on whether this thing matters to you know,

755
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: whether there's a good marriage yet between Major League Baseball

756
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: and World Baseball Classic, Because it feels like if it's

757
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: that big, if we really want to make it that dramatic.

758
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: It shouldn't be that.

759
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 1: There shouldn't have to be that much negotiation to get

760
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: the best, most experienced players available for the winner take

761
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 1: all championship game tonight.

762
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's been a slow grudging acceptance of it.

763
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 3: I think by the US team. They got more players

764
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: to buy in this year than they had previous years.

765
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 3: I guess at Park because they were motivated because they

766
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 3: lost in Japan last time. But that's the pitchers of

767
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 3: the place that teams are always going to be very

768
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 3: reluctant to go along with it. You know this year

769
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 3: what the scheme did pitch in two games? S Google

770
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 3: pitched in one and thought about staying and then changed

771
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 3: his mind. And these guys, the pitchers are so worth

772
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 3: so much money and they're so hard to find that

773
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 3: a the pitchers, I think, are reluctant to over extend

774
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 3: themselves because they don't want to get injured and hurt.

775
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 3: Their school is going to be a free agent after

776
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 3: this year. He doesn't want to do anything to cause

777
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 3: himself not to be able to cash in on what

778
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 3: will probably be the largest contract for the pitchers ever received.

779
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 3: And be teams that have pictures know how hard they

780
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 3: are to keep healthy over an entire year, and don't

781
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 3: want them, you know, getting jacked up with adrenaline and

782
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 3: thrown too too hard, too long. This at what would

783
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,959
Speaker 3: still be the end of spring training. So the only

784
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 3: remedy that I've heard is they move this thing into

785
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 3: the middle of summer and eliminate the All Star Game

786
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 3: and make it like a ten day tournament in the

787
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 3: middle of the summer. But I don't know if the

788
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 3: players Association would have to and the owners will both

789
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 3: have to agree on that, and I don't know if

790
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 3: it'll happen.

791
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: Can your White Sox finish a half of the Twins

792
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: in the standings this year?

793
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 3: Yes, I've been negative for the last three years, but

794
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 3: I think they can do it this year.

795
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: That's the most positive I've heard you in a long time.

796
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 1: You're encouraged.

797
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 3: They've lost over one hundred games three years in a row,

798
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 3: and you can't do that. I suffered long enough.

799
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Twins gave.

800
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 3: Up right last year pretty much?

801
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, we're not do they We have one injured pitcher, yeah,

802
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 1: and we're actually I think we have two. Big one

803
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: is the big name, but but yeah, I think we

804
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: have a second one who's h whose name now escapes me.

805
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 1: Not as big, not as prominent, but and we're another

806
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars.

807
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 3: You can answer this question for me. Did they not

808
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 3: ask Ryan?

809
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 2: We talked about that early. Ryan.

810
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: They they they made it before the semi final game.

811
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: They made a roster chain, and he fully expected to

812
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 1: be the guy. He was ready, he claims. The twins

813
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: were all on board, and they ended up adding another

814
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: closer and leaving him off the list. So he and

815
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: he's acting very disappointed that, for whatever reason, the plug

816
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: was pulled.

817
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 2: So, yeah, he was ready to go. He wanted to

818
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: do it.

819
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: But apparently whoever the powers that'd be to make the decisions, manager, general, manager, whatever.

820
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 3: They're starting this rookie against from the Mets.

821
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, who's supposed to have like the arm of

822
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: the century but has barely pitched in the Major League.

823
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 3: He's lost the game to Italy, though it wasn't like

824
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: he was the pitcher that started the game. They lost

825
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 3: to Italy.

826
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 2: I think I think you're right.

827
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's pitched forty eight innings in the Majors and

828
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: again he struck out like fifty eight in the forty

829
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: eight innings. But it just it seems rather curious to me.

830
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: So I don't know if there's a backstory that we're missing,

831
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: but we'll see tonight.

832
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 3: So you're leaving tomorrow, you said, yes, I am tomorrow morning.

833
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: Safe travels. Have a wonderful time. How long are you going?

834
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 3: I think I'm coming back Sunday night.

835
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 2: It's a pretty good thing. That's good.

836
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: That's what that's the beauty of retirement. That's something you

837
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: could this time of year. You weren't gonna be able

838
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: to do that big dance time.

839
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 3: Are you kidding?

840
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: You had no chance to.

841
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 3: Do Always wanted to go to spring training.

842
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: This is and this is the first time.

843
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 3: When I was in college, we went on spring break

844
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 3: the Florida I went and saw a Yankees game. But

845
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 3: I've never been to White White Sox.

846
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: That's historic. That's good. I'm glad you're doing it. It's

847
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 2: on the bucket list.

848
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: Now you've you've said another another item is you can

849
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: check off the box on the spring training.

850
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 3: Yep. I just got to get to Serbia and then

851
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 3: I'll be complete.

852
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: That's a matter of time. Thank you, We'll be in touch.

853
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 3: Thanks Ricky, all right, thank you? Danny close it.

854
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: Who is a longtime newspaper legend in Louisville, Kentucky, now

855
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: retired and enjoying his retirement years, but still very much

856
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: paying attention to the game of college basketball.

857
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 2: Top five will include Wolves and Wilde.