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Speaker 2: it is always Skyline time. It's a busy day here

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Speaker 2: on Cincy three sixty. We have a trade deadline that

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Speaker 2: is rapidly approaching. The Bengals already active in the trade deadline.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that with Logan Wilson going to the

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Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys. We'll talk about what it could potentially mean

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Speaker 2: for Trey Hendrickson, Cam Taylor britt anyone else on the

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Speaker 2: list that may be a viable option for another team.

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Speaker 2: We'll discuss that in length this afternoon The first college

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Speaker 2: football playoff rankings are out tonight, Austin and I will

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Speaker 2: mock up our own college football playoff rankings. We will

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Speaker 2: dive into what Zach Taylor had to say yesterday and

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Speaker 2: his Monday afternoon press conference. Rick Patino and Wes Miller

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Speaker 2: Xavier and you see both underway. Last night, Xavier had

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Speaker 2: to sweat one out at home against Marist. You see

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Speaker 2: was dominant over Western Carolina. You will hear the statements

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Speaker 2: that each of those coaches made. Are you forgetting anyone

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Speaker 2: after last night's win? Ohio State? No? Northern Kentucky? Yes,

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Speaker 2: Norse up baby.

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Speaker 3: We also have Darren Horns O holy statement after a

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Speaker 3: big win over UC Claremont. So that's another victory for

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Speaker 2: So what we'll essentially do is we'll talk a little

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Speaker 2: bit of the round ball in our number three. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we'll take it around to what the local coaches had

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Speaker 3: Which do you think we'll take? We'll take Betts. Which

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Speaker 3: coach do you think opening statement went the longest?

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Speaker 2: Ooh, I will say Darren Horn?

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Speaker 3: Okay, you vote for Darren Horn, Feel free to vote, Okay, anyone.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about Colin. You think we'll talk about everything

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Speaker 2: else that's going on in the National Football League in

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Speaker 2: just a moment, and we have to have a football conversation,

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Speaker 2: not like an actual not like talk ball, but we're

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Speaker 2: actually going to talk about the football that's used in

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Speaker 2: the games. Whether you're kicking a kicking ball or whether

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Speaker 2: need to know about going into games. So we have

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Speaker 2: to have that discussion today. It's not a discussion I

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Speaker 3: In Ada, Ohio, but we'll have to talk about a

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Speaker 3: Wilson football factory afternoon.

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Speaker 2: As to what's going on around the National Football League,

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Speaker 2: Logan Wilson has been dealt to the Dallas Cowboys. If

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Speaker 2: you watched any of the Cowboys last night, I know

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Speaker 2: that the Bengal defense is not good. That's not a

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Speaker 2: good defense as well. The Cowboys have acquired Logan Wilson

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Speaker 2: in a trade with the Cincinnati Bengals. Jerry Jones said,

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Speaker 2: for what we need right now, he can come in

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I have the audio Jerry Jones,

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Speaker 3: like Jerry has to say. So this was earlier this morning,

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Speaker 4: His ability to see it. Some people would think about

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Speaker 3: Okay, I love Jerry Joe gosh Man, I just wanted

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Speaker 3: Jerry Jones is a fascinating human being who has done

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Speaker 3: He is not a good general manager. He knows how

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Speaker 2: He knows how to get in the gaps.

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Speaker 3: I've always heard that him and Mike Brown don't really

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Speaker 3: that they did a trade, made a little trade.

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Speaker 2: Very nice anyway. Logan Wilson is a Dallas cowboy, and

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Speaker 2: in return, the Bengals have received a seventh round draft pick.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any problem with the value in return?

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Speaker 2: But can they find their own?

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Speaker 3: Kyle Manungai A little bit disappointing that they only got

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Speaker 3: there have been some other good seventh round picks in

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Speaker 2: You ever heard of TJ. Huschman Zada? Yeah, he was

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Speaker 2: Well, let me give you these names because these are

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Speaker 2: the last ten seventh round picks of the don't do this, Audentate? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: to tell Matt Lee. Everybody seems to think he's the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: It is impossible to grade a trade before you know

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Speaker 3: Now a lot of people are saying, oh, the Bengals

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Speaker 3: just save a bunch of money. They don't save a

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Speaker 3: next year. It opens up some space, Yes, not ridiculous,

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Speaker 3: it is I think more than anything, Hey, we respect

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Speaker 3: Logan Wilson. We're going to give him an opportunity to

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Speaker 3: go play uh in Dallas, and more than anything, we're

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Speaker 2: Some other NFL news, tough news for the Chargers, as

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Speaker 2: Joe alt Is getting season ending ankle surgery. Team that

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Speaker 2: again just feels like their season can never get get started.

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Speaker 2: The Ravens of Baltimore have acquired Draymont Jones. Yeah, in

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Speaker 3: Did you see the condition for that pick? So if

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Speaker 3: Draymont Jones has at least two sacks the rest of

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Speaker 3: the season and Baltimore makes the playoffs, Tennessee gets a

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't mind that. Yeah, I don't mind adding

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Speaker 3: Let's rooting for Baltimore then to get to the playoffs

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Speaker 3: so that they lose a fourth round pick.

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Speaker 2: Sure, have we reached.

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Speaker 3: That point where now we're rooting for draft stock and

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Speaker 2: All of that. That's where we're already at. Not ideal.

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Speaker 2: Another move, The Las Vegas Raiders are trading Jacoby Myers

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Speaker 3: The Jags have done a lot of work to try

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Speaker 2: Our names to keep an eye on as the trade

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Speaker 2: Are we expecting any surprises in the college football playoff rankings? Tonight?

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Speaker 2: We're going to give our mock so I don't want

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Speaker 3: The first initial you know the initial college football playoff rankings.

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Speaker 3: Every year there's a surprise, it's something that doesn't match

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Speaker 2: Mentioned last night college basketball got underway, and not just

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Speaker 2: here locally. Some big debuts last night. How about all

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Speaker 2: the talk with some of these super freshmen around college

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Speaker 2: we've not seen in quite some time. Coopete for Arizona,

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Speaker 2: aj Debanza is the other All American that committed to BYU.

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Speaker 2: He's dead to me. You won't forget him tonight because

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Speaker 3: Ain't nobody care about them? Two schools and the Longhorns.

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Speaker 2: Jim Knowles. Who's more dead to you? Jim Knowles?

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Speaker 3: Okay, but actually probably Sean Miller because Jim Knowles, we

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Speaker 3: It is, in my mind completely tone deaf of what's

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Speaker 2: I thought that was foolish from Zach. Yeah, at this point,

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Speaker 2: And I think Mo made a good point yesterday when

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Speaker 2: because the tensions have to be high right now. Speaking

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Speaker 2: of the bye week, the Bengals are practicing today. Some

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Speaker 3: It is a practice for first and second year players only. Yep,

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Speaker 3: Jermaine Burton not there due to an illness according to

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Speaker 2: I saw Joe Burrow post. Oh Burrow posted, I didn't

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Speaker 3: No kidding in Batman. Okay, all right, Joey b a

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Speaker 2: Fives are high, fives are riding high.

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Speaker 3: That's hilarious. This is the biggest smile I've seen from

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Speaker 3: Joe and quite some time, years, quite some time. We

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Speaker 3: have a lot to get to. Let's start with a

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Speaker 3: trade deadline conversation around Trey Hendricks.

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Speaker 2: We'll take your phone calls five one, three, seven, four nine,

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. Trey deadline is at four o'clock today. Logan

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Speaker 2: I do. I do.

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Speaker 3: I think if you're gonna make a move like Logan Wilson,

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Speaker 2: That so to me, that's where my mind immediately goes.

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Speaker 2: If you're moving on from Logan Wilson, why not just

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Speaker 3: It's about evaluating what you have and using that to

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Speaker 2: So immediately the question outside of Trey Hendrickson, is there

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Speaker 2: My immediate thought everyone on the offense is staying, but

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Speaker 2: who's making the draft pick decisions, on who's doing the evaluating,

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Speaker 2: on who's assembling the roster, that would be Duke Tobin.

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Speaker 2: From what I understand, there is some noise around Duke

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do we have audio of this? We do.

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Speaker 3: This is Pro Football Talk Live. This is Mike Florio

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Speaker 3: talking about the Bengals and Duke Tobin.

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Speaker 2: Jobs are on the line.

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Speaker 7: You said earlier, they're constantly evaluating everyone. They're evaluating everyone

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Speaker 7: who will be back or not be back. There's this

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Speaker 7: is going to be out. We'll see maybe during the

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Speaker 2: But heads are going to roll in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 7: This is unacceptable because it's largely unprecedented.

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Speaker 2: How bad this defense is. Your immediate reaction to that

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Speaker 2: We've said it all year. This roster stinks, and the

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Speaker 2: track record in evaluating talent and making draft picks stinks,

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Speaker 2: and the way the roster is constructed from free agents

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Speaker 2: to draft picks to everyone else stinks. Ah that to me,

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Speaker 2: I think Austin would send a strong message through this

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Speaker 2: organization that things are changing.

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Speaker 3: If you don't tr us Duke Tobin to make the

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Speaker 3: correct picks and to scout and do all the stuff

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Speaker 3: that goes into being the de facto GM, do you

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Speaker 3: trust the people in charge to replace him and choose

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Speaker 3: his replacement?

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Speaker 2: You would have to because that would be the only option.

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Speaker 3: Well, that would be my point for Duke Tobin, because

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's getting fired. I don't think he's

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Speaker 3: going anywhere, So you kind of have to trust him

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Speaker 3: to be the guy when it comes to player personnel.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, if this is the guy that ownership

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Speaker 3: put in place twenty years ago, twenty five years ago, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I really trust them to make

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Speaker 3: the decision on who to replace him with. But the

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Speaker 3: unfortunate part is there's nobody in the organization at all

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Speaker 3: that I trust. From a player to a coach, to

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Speaker 3: a scout, to an equipment manager, to an owner to

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Speaker 3: a ticket salesman, I don't trust any of them. Agreed,

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Speaker 3: That is a tough spot for fans to be in

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Speaker 3: with the way this organization is handled the last couple

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Speaker 3: of years.

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Speaker 2: I agree, and it puts its look it's a conundrum

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Speaker 2: because on one hand, what's happening is bad, But do

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Speaker 2: you have the trust in place that you can move

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Speaker 2: on from someone and get someone better in there? And

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Speaker 2: how much freedom would that person come in have and

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Speaker 2: how is their relationship with the coach Because we've talked

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Speaker 2: now for what two years, Austin that it feels like

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Speaker 2: the scheme doesn't match the personnel scheme personnel skiing, it

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Speaker 2: doesn't feel like it matches. So you know what we

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Speaker 2: heard we heard what from Zach Taylor yesterday. Al Golden's

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Speaker 2: not going anywhere. The coaches aren't going anywhere. He's confident

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Speaker 2: in them. So if that's the case, someone has to

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Speaker 2: answer for this. Do they? You would think when this

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Speaker 2: is historically bad and they wasted what last year was

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Speaker 2: with Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase and they somehow got worse,

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Speaker 2: heads should roll for that.

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Speaker 3: My guess is still what would happen would be that

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Speaker 3: they don't do anything today, Like they don't make any

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Speaker 3: more new moves. Nobody on the coaching staff gets fired

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Speaker 3: or let go, or Duke Tobin doesn't get let go.

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Speaker 2: Nothing happens. Really.

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Speaker 3: They go throughout the rest of the season, they keep

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Speaker 3: playing the same game against Pittsburgh and New England and

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Speaker 3: Baltimore and Buffalo and Miami in Arizona and Cleveland, and

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Speaker 3: they finish with the worst defense in the history of

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Speaker 3: the National Football League. Yeah, and then people get fired

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Speaker 3: because they always seem to wait until it's too eight.

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Speaker 3: They're never proactive. They're reactive, which is a terrible place

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Speaker 3: to be as an NFL franchise. So that's my guess,

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Speaker 3: that's my assumption as to what will happen because if

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Speaker 3: it continues down this path, you have no choice but

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Speaker 3: to move on. Yeah, from whether it's the head coach

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Speaker 3: or the defensive coordinator or Duke Tobin or anybody, you

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Speaker 3: have no choice but to move on.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 3: And and Zach in his comments yesterday, in my mind,

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Speaker 3: basically just put the nail on his own coffin if

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Speaker 3: it's that bad the rest of the year, because he

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Speaker 3: put it all on his shoulders. He said, I believe

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Speaker 3: in all these guys. This is our group. We're sticking

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Speaker 3: with them. Okay, Well, if you fail, it's on you then.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be interesting. It is. It's gonna be

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Speaker 2: interesting to watch unfold see where this goes from here.

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Speaker 2: But we'll talk more about that and we'll talk with

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Speaker 2: you five one, three, seven, four nine, fifteen thirty. It

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to Football in the NATI on ESPN

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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Lowegar, We've talked about this a lot. He's got what

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Speaker 2: you want, Like, who's the go to guy gonna be.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back at cent you three to sixty. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for listening on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. Work

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Speaker 2: service Here Skyline Chili anytime you're feeling good and hungry

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Speaker 2: at Skyline time. For the first time today your phone calls,

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Speaker 2: I've won three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty ten, what's

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Speaker 2: going on?

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Speaker 9: Hey, guys. I just want to say I love listening

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Speaker 9: to you guys.

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Speaker 10: Think you guys are great.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 9: I just want to say this is why I gave

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Speaker 9: up my season tickets. I was a season take off

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Speaker 9: from eighty five to two thousand and one. I couldn't

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Speaker 9: take the boons of the front office. I just got

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Speaker 9: tired of it. I mean, I enjoyed warning games and

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Speaker 9: if they're going to make the boo, this will be

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Speaker 9: the week. I would love to haul Bryan's Simmons. It

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Speaker 9: was the Simmons. Yeah, him takeover that pretcher call the

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Speaker 9: plays and he named the assistant defense coach defense coordinator.

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Speaker 3: How many games have you been to since two thousand

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Speaker 3: and one since you gave up your tickets?

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Speaker 4: None?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 9: Wow, I'll just say I'm watched them TV. I mean

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Speaker 9: I love the Bengals. Look that game Sunday remind me

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Speaker 9: of a game back in nineteen seven against San Francisco

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Speaker 9: forty nine ers. Second game, up twenty six to twenty

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Speaker 9: six seconds off the game, they don't set the ball

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Speaker 9: fourth down. Oh, you gotta just pump the ball.

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Speaker 4: We win.

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Speaker 9: Sam White hands off James Brooks, he gets tackled, stops

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Speaker 9: the clock on Tam throws the touchdown the end zone.

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Speaker 6: You lose.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, is there anything that they could do again

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Speaker 2: with Duke Tobin? Ors like, is there anything they can

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Speaker 2: do outside of just turning around and winning that would

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Speaker 2: get you to say, Okay, I want to get back

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Speaker 2: down to the games. I want to be a season

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Speaker 2: ticket holder again.

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Speaker 9: If they should show commitment year at the year, I mean,

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Speaker 9: every time we get to the Super Bowl, we take

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Speaker 9: steps backwards.

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Speaker 2: Sure, Tim, thank you for the phone call in so

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Speaker 2: I one quick.

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Speaker 9: Question, more quick ton, Okay, you see football? Uh our list?

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Speaker 9: How's the health going onto the buy. Are we expecting

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Speaker 9: any like prior and where do you think there will

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Speaker 9: be in standing tonight?

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Tim, thank you for the phone call. Health Wise,

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Speaker 2: they're banged up, but I don't think any of the

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Speaker 2: injuries are serious. I think you would assume to see

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Speaker 2: Evan Pryor back after the bye. Dante Corleono have a

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Speaker 2: week to rest the ankle. Jake Goldey seemed to be

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Speaker 2: trending in the right direction. I don't think they have

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Speaker 2: any long term lasting injuries to starters that they rely

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Speaker 2: on heavily on this team, And as far as tonight goes,

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Speaker 2: I think they're probably twenty four or twenty five. I

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Speaker 2: could see them being in the top twenty five. I

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Speaker 2: don't think they're any higher than that, but I could

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Speaker 2: see them being a team that is cracking the top

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Speaker 2: twenty five in the first rankings. We'll talk more about

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Speaker 2: those rankings as we go. Another phone call.

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Speaker 10: What's up, Mark, Hey, I want to try my Tony

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Speaker 10: pagank with Withy today.

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Speaker 2: What do you got marek?

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Speaker 10: Okay the upcoming draft? Okay, whoever the best left tackle

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Speaker 10: is in the draft, whoever the best center is in

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Speaker 10: the draft. Then the first two picks, release Orlando Brown

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Speaker 10: and use that money to go on defense. And if

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Speaker 10: the Falcons cut Chesse Bates because they drafted as replacement

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Speaker 10: Xavia Watts, I thought that Bengal should have drafted him.

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Speaker 10: Should the Bengals take try to sign him back?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I would take Jesse Bates back here, man,

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Speaker 2: I haven't had a safety that's worked since then. I

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Speaker 2: just I think already in Austin. You I'll bring you

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Speaker 2: with it as well. If the draft were tomorrow, how

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Speaker 2: difficult would it be to figure out where you're leaning

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Speaker 2: with the number one overall pick because of how many

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Speaker 2: holes this team has? I mean you you can literally

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Speaker 2: make the argument for seven different positions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, which I think the strategy for the

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Speaker 3: draft is going to be best player available.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean we'll see how free agency plays out. And

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Speaker 3: again they have money to be able to spend in

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Speaker 3: free agency, but it's it's going to be best player available,

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Speaker 3: especially if you're picking inside the top ten.

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Speaker 10: Okay, one more question, then I'll get off. If they

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Speaker 10: cut samar Stewart at the end of the season, will

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Speaker 10: would they would they be on the would they be

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Speaker 10: on the Would that mess up the cap? If they

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Speaker 10: How does that work if you cut a first round

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Speaker 10: draft pick after one year, you know, as far as

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Speaker 10: the cap go, because.

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Speaker 3: And then it would it would cost them nearly twenty

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Speaker 3: million dollars.

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Speaker 2: They would they would not be it.

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Speaker 3: Would it would It would erase almost fifteen million dollars

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Speaker 3: in cap space.

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Speaker 10: Oh, I don't think he's going to work out. I mean,

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Speaker 10: I'm way to tell.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 10: He he looks like he he looks like a dumb

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Speaker 10: football player and he's not even doing the fundamentals stuff right.

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Speaker 3: Well, Tyler Boyd was the same way. His first year.

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Speaker 3: He was in the doghouse with Marvin Lewis, and then

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Speaker 3: he turned out to be one of the best Bengal

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Speaker 3: receivers of all time.

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Speaker 2: It's way too early to tell. Yeah, I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: look twenty three year old kid. Look how much time

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Speaker 2: that they've given Miles Murphy. Yeah, Look how much time

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Speaker 2: they've given Joseph Osai. And I know they haven't panned out,

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Speaker 2: but they won't pull the plug that quick because it

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Speaker 2: would make them look worse for taking that player that high.

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Speaker 10: Okay, I'll get off from this the rest of the show.

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Speaker 2: Mark, Thank you man, I appreciate it. You know it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Miles Murphy is only one year older than Smart Steward. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: neither of that is good. Neither neither is good. We've

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Speaker 2: got a lot still to get to, including a couple

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Speaker 2: more phone calls. We will, we'll get those calls taken

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Speaker 2: care of, and we'll finish up our one next and

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Speaker 2: then we'll get to Joe Daneman at the top of

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Speaker 2: our number two. This Sincy three to sixty. You're listening

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Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. Thank you to

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Speaker 3: The Indianapolis Colts are in aggressive pursuit of a championship.

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Speaker 3: Tony moments ago it was finalized, or I should say,

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Speaker 3: reported that the New York Jets are trading former Bearcat

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Speaker 3: Sauce Gardner to the Indianapolis Colts. Wow, Sauce tweeting five

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Speaker 3: minutes ago New York It's been real. With a green

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Speaker 3: heart emoji. Indianapolis acquires Sauce Gardener. I know the Colts

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Speaker 3: help in their set secondary, and they land a blockbuster

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Speaker 3: deal for Sauce Gardener. At the moment, it would seem

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Speaker 3: that Sauce is going to re reunite with Alec Pearce

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Speaker 3: Bearcat teammates. I don't know though, if Alec Pierce could

657
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 3: potentially be traded back to the Jets. We're waiting to

658
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 3: see what three times.

659
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: We don't know what the return is yet, but that

660
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 2: is two time All Pro Sauce Gardener going to the

661
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: Indianapolis Colts. Louis Aroumo gets a major.

662
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 3: Two wow, two first round picks, according to Adam Schefter

663
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 3: to the Jets for Sauce Gardener unbelievable.

664
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Speaker 2: I mean, if they're giving up two for Sauce, I

665
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: would imagine Trey could get three. Oh with all of

666
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 2: a sudden.

667
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 3: Huh damn man, that's that's a hell of a move.

668
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: That's a big move for a team that is seishing

669
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: the chips to the middle.

670
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 3: They're seven and two, Yep. They just lost a tough

671
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 3: game in Pittsburgh and primarily it was the offense, and

672
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: they say, you know what, we still need help in

673
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 3: the secondary.

674
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: And what a toy for lou An Arumo to be

675
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: a goodness.

676
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 3: I know Sauce hasn't been one hundred percent healthy last

677
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: couple of years, but still an effective playmaker.

678
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: One of from a covered standpoint, one of the most

679
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 2: lockdown corners in the National Football League goes to the

680
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: Indianapolis Colts.

681
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: I got another one. Okay, another trade has just come

682
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 3: fiscamp ready, Sauce. Uh, this is a guy that I

683
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 3: kind of hoped that the Bengals would get. I mean,

684
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: this is, you know, fever dream type of stuff. The

685
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 3: New Orleans Saints are trading wide receiver Rashid Shahed to

686
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 3: the Seattle Seahawks. Go and get another wide receiver, an

687
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 3: explosive playmaker, elite, top end speed, wonderful returner. Rashid Shahed

688
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 3: goes from New Orleans to Seattle. Unbelievable, and talk about

689
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 3: two different climates. We got some moving and shaking going

690
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 3: on right now. A couple more phone calls before we

691
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 3: get to Joe Danaman, John, what's up?

692
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 11: Happy trade deadline day?

693
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:12,959
Speaker 2: Fellas? Yes, sir?

694
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 6: All right?

695
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 11: So, uh looks like a Seattle Indianapolis super Bowl. Let's

696
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 11: get ready for that because they're making massive moves here

697
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 11: on trade deadline day.

698
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 6: Those those are impressive.

699
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 4: Ye.

700
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Speaker 11: Absolutely. Here in Boston they're talking about Trey Hendrickson and

701
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 11: what it would take to get him from Cincinnati. I

702
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 11: think a third round pick makes sense. I know the

703
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 11: Bengals want a first round pick. That's kind of ludacris

704
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 11: for a thirty one year old ed rusher who has

705
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 11: no term left on his contract after this year and

706
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 11: is right now injured. But would you guys trade him

707
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 11: for a third round pick?

708
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:45,479
Speaker 2: By point?

709
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 11: Yes, absolutely, yeah's time to just move out.

710
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: And the Logan Wilson.

711
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 11: Deal, I mean Dallas trading for Logan Wilson is kind

712
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 11: of like North career reaching out to Afghanistan for financial help.

713
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 11: I mean talk about going from the worst defense of

714
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 11: the second worst defense. The poor guy, I mean, he

715
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 11: can't catch a break, but you know he's going to Dallas.

716
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 11: I guess that's a pretty cool thing. But yeah, I

717
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 11: think you're just going to see teams cleaning house at

718
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 11: some point because you know a lot of the big contracts.

719
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 11: Sauce Guard just signed that big contract and now he's

720
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 11: going to Indianapolis, and Garret Wilson's injured I wouldn't have

721
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 11: been shocked if they moved him at the trade deadline,

722
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 11: because obviously the Jets are trying to build a different culture,

723
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 11: and some of these players that they haven't signed to

724
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 11: a long term deals might not be in their prime

725
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 11: when that team finally gets around.

726
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: To being really good. Yeah, it's crazy because you saw

727
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: some stuff out of the Jets of Garrett Wilson, maybe

728
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: even Breese Hall. I had not heard anything up to

729
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: this point on sass Gardner, but I guess when you

730
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: get two first round picks in return, and it's hard

731
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 2: to say no for a team that's obviously not going

732
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: anywhere this year. So yeah, I think the points well taken,

733
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: and I think it's going to be interesting how the

734
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: rest of the day plays out.

735
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 11: Yeah, the Jets in Indianapolis have some kind of relationship.

736
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 11: Remember years ago they swapped first round picks. The Jets

737
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 11: ended up with Sam Donald and the Colts ended up

738
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 11: with Quenton Nelson, So they must have some history of

739
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 11: making deals. Would you move Hendrickson? Would you think Indianapolis

740
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 11: would try to get Henderson? Obviously because of the connection

741
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 11: with lou and Rumo and again a third round pick

742
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 11: being in the jobs down there because now it seems

743
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 11: like a lot of these teams are all in the

744
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 11: AC because the league is wide open.

745
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 10: Fellas, right, I.

746
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: Mean, I don't know if the Colts would do it

747
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 3: now based off the fact that they just parted ways

748
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 3: the two first round pigs, but I'm sure. I mean,

749
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 3: if if they're being that aggressive, then they feel like

750
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 3: they have a window to win, and this year in

751
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: the AFC, it makes sense.

752
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 11: You know, no question. I think I mentioned to you

753
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 11: guys yesterday. If the season ended today, Kansas City wouldn't

754
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 11: even qualify for the playoffs. I mean, we expect them

755
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 11: to be there, but if it ended today, they would

756
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 11: be on the outside looking in. So I think every

757
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 11: team is looking at this as like this is really

758
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 11: wide open. So why not go make a movie good

759
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 11: for Indianapolis and good for Seattle And we'll see what

760
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 11: happens in the next.

761
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: Three hours, for sure, John, thank you man anytime? Fellas, Yes, sir?

762
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 4: Uh?

763
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: Michael and Covington, what's up?

764
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 6: I love you? Uh kind of question.

765
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 12: You guys don't have any faith in Duke Covin along

766
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 12: as most people.

767
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 6: That pretty accurate, right.

768
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 12: Yes, Well, my thing is that he's probably gonna screw

769
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 12: picks up anyway. You know, no matter who he drafts,

770
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 12: he's probably gonna screw it up anyway. So why not

771
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 12: draft for Why not trade for for people right now

772
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 12: and next year, like instead of some three year project

773
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 12: player or lunch of screwed up picks probably ain't gonna

774
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 12: work anyway. Why not trade those picks for for good

775
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 12: like these teams are doing, you know, sauce gardener, We

776
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 12: don't need sauce, but.

777
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, we do need sauce.

778
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: With Yeah, no, it's it's a fair point, thank you.

779
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: That's the hard thing. Like we've seen the failed draft picks.

780
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: I'm all for proven commodities. I'm all for getting players

781
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: that I could plug in and say, okay, I know

782
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: based on the track record how this player performs and

783
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 2: what you're getting.

784
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 3: M you don't have that with the ookies right now. Yeah,

785
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 3: I think there is the great teams find the balance

786
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 3: of being able to do that, yep, and say okay, well,

787
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 3: you know, here's how we value this fourth round pick

788
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 3: compared to this player who can come in and play

789
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 3: a specific role or you know, vice versa, whatever it

790
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 3: might be. There's a balance to it, and we saw

791
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 3: the Rams when they won the Super Bowl. They went

792
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 3: all in, they traded all their picks. They had an

793
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 3: older roster, but they had depth, and they had a

794
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 3: good mix of those young players that they had already developed.

795
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 3: And they had to flip basically everything in the years

796
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 3: following that Super Bowl, and they've stayed relevant and there

797
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 3: now they're one of the best teams in the NFL.

798
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 3: But they found a way to stay relevant now the

799
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 3: right back correct and so you know, there's there's a

800
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 3: difference between you know, the Eagles have been a really

801
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 3: good at this as well. There's a balance to that,

802
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 3: and I don't know that the Bengals have the right

803
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 3: feel or the right people in the room to be

804
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 3: able to pull that off.

805
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, one more before we get the Joe Danam and

806
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 2: Mike what's up?

807
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 6: Real quick, before I get into the meat of the conversation.

808
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 6: The Phillies, the Mets, and the Yankees spent over a

809
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 6: billion dollars in payroll of three combined. So I'm tired

810
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 6: of hearing the Dodgers are dealing with hundred. But as

811
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 6: far as the NFL goes, I'm looking at these teams.

812
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 6: Look at them Bucks decimated with injuries. Look at forty

813
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 6: nine ers decimated with injuries. Why do they survive. I

814
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 6: don't know if it's just because of the greatness of

815
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 6: the coaches and the depth to the roster, but seem

816
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 6: to find a way even if well, the Charger's big

817
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 6: loss with all now they don't have either starting tackles,

818
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 6: so they're up a creek without a power.

819
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 2: I think it's a combination of both. I think it's

820
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 2: great coaching, but I also think they're building depth and

821
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: they're doing a great job at evaluating talent and how

822
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 2: to get the most out of that talent.

823
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 6: And the three best CMS, in my opinion in the

824
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 6: league are Blosman's got to be number one. We know that,

825
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 6: especially with the acquisition of Phillips, but less sneed out

826
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 6: of LA with the Rams and then Todd light down

827
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 6: with Tampa. Tampa is one of the most astute drafting

828
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 6: organizations I've ever seen. That's why they haven't been acquiring anybody,

829
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 6: because they know when they go into the draft this year,

830
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 6: they're gonna get guys that stick. When third pick, force

831
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 6: pick sixth pick six, picks seven six, these guys are invaluable.

832
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: These CMS, Yeah, they locate the talent, and not only

833
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 2: just the talent, but they evaluate how that talent would

834
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 2: fit in the current scheme that they want to do

835
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: on the field. And it just feels like everyone they

836
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: draft meshes into who and what they want to be,

837
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: Whereas here in Cincinnati now they're throwing two rookie linebackers

838
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: out there. Logan Wilson is gone, Shamar Stewart had the

839
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: whole deal leading into training camp. He's not performing. It

840
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: just doesn't feel like things mesh well here in Cincinnati

841
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: based on the draft picks, but it certainly does in

842
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 2: other cities where the franchises are winning.

843
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 6: I just wonder if Joe's going, man, you know, maybe

844
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 6: luckier if I got agrasted by a different team, even

845
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 6: though he's a homer and I appreciate that, but he's

846
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 6: got to be pretty frustrated, right, Absolutely no doubt, because

847
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 6: because he's got to be thinking, right, Austin and Tony, Okay, great,

848
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 6: I'll get healthy, but what are we going to do

849
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 6: next year with the same defense were going to do?

850
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 2: He's watching Joe Flacco put up you know, forty points

851
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 2: a game over the last two and still loose. I mean,

852
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 2: there's nothing else he could have done. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

853
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: that it's extremely frustrating.

854
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 6: He had three games last year. What they scored ninety

855
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 6: nine points in three games Joe did with his record

856
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 6: breaking year and they lost all three games.

857
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been crazy. It's unbelievable.

858
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 6: Well, one of you guys ought to go down and

859
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 6: be a coordinator because I'm sure you could do better.

860
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 3: Based off my Madden League, I'm not much better. Thanks mine. Yeah, Mike,

861
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 3: thank you man. Yeah, I was telling Tony, I've told

862
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 3: this story for I'm in a thirty two person Madden

863
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 3: League five and one.

864
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: But boy, we don't play any defense. I'm like Al Golden.

865
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 3: Calling the defense we think fields today one last night

866
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 3: fifty forty two. Lou Rumo probably feels like this is

867
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: freaking awesome, rut run out of town that cares doing

868
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 3: well and then just added the top corner, one of

869
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 3: the top corners in the game.

870
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: To your defense.

871
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 3: A commitment to an aggressive pursuit of a championship. How

872
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 3: about that what every team should be doing. We're committed,

873
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 3: some don't.

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