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Speaker 1: Philly cunning Him the Great America. Welcome this Monday afternoon

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Speaker 1: in the Tri State lock going on later this week.

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Speaker 1: Of course, if you heard about Red's opening day, I

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Speaker 1: heard about that on Thursday. I think we started about

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Speaker 1: nine am at the Holy Grail programming, which right now

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Speaker 1: not all about the Reds, Reds Reds and the Red

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Speaker 1: Sox and more. Ladolo might have another blister on his

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Speaker 1: index finger in his left hand and needs some tough

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Speaker 1: skin put on that see what happens down the road.

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Speaker 1: But once again, Rob Sanders, welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show.

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Speaker 1: And first of all, Rob, I know you're the kent

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Speaker 1: County prosecutor. I want to talk about this woman who

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Speaker 1: had an hallucination that call sort hit some guy threw

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Speaker 1: him ten feet in the air. She was hallucinating. Also

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Speaker 1: want to talk about the porn guy. But before that,

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Speaker 1: I know Andy Basheer is a good friend of yours.

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Speaker 1: Andy Bsher the governor, the governor of Kentucky, And just

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Speaker 1: before he went on stage at Middletown in Butler County,

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Speaker 1: he put the following on social media. This is from

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Speaker 1: Andy Basheer, your governor. Quote about to take the stage

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Speaker 1: in a inn c suburb. By the way, editor note,

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Speaker 1: Middletown doesn't view itself as a sincy suburb.

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Speaker 2: But nonetheless, where JD.

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Speaker 1: Vance is actually from this does not appear to be

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Speaker 1: where his book full of poverty tourism and tired stereotypes

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Speaker 1: against my people is set my people. So he's kind

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Speaker 1: of saying the people of Middletown that drivers like Tony

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Speaker 1: Bender from Boone County drive around Middletown to look at

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Speaker 1: the animals in the cages. It's called poverty tourism that

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Speaker 1: rich people go to Middletown and drive right to look

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Speaker 1: how the other half lives. He also has said tired

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Speaker 1: stereotypes against my people? Who are his people? And I

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Speaker 1: want to know how popular would any basher be? And

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Speaker 1: the land of Richard K.

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Speaker 3: Jones, Well, Willie, thanks for having me on a Monday,

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Speaker 3: and what a way to start out on Monday.

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Speaker 4: Good Lord Amy, but shere doesn't even know where he is.

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Speaker 3: He must have flown there, because you know he's big

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Speaker 3: on using the Commonwealth's private jet to fly himself all

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Speaker 3: over the country and all over the world to go

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Speaker 3: hang out with liberal elites. But he must have taken

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Speaker 3: that jet to Middletown somehow, because anybody that actually drove

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Speaker 3: to Middletown and had to drive right here through Kenton

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Speaker 3: they would know that that's not a Cincinnati suburb. Nevertheless,

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Speaker 3: the biggest shaker there is his impoverished people that he's

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Speaker 3: referring to. You know, this is a guy that grew

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Speaker 3: up the son of then Kentucky Attorney General Steve Basheer,

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Speaker 3: who when he left the Attorney General's office and ran

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Speaker 3: and lost for United States Senate, he joined the biggest

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Speaker 3: law firm in Lexington, Kentucky, and was an equity partner

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Speaker 3: for decades before he ended up running for governor and

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Speaker 3: winning and spending eight years in the governor's mansion. So

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure where his impoverished people come from. Was

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Speaker 3: firm in Lexington, was it all the private schools that

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Speaker 3: not sure which one he's referring to, but I'm pretty

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Speaker 3: certain that there were no impoverished people that were Andy

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Speaker 3: Basheer's people.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like a new term to me. His

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Speaker 1: book full of poverty tourism. What is happening in my people?

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Speaker 3: I have no idea but him meeting with the Democrats

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Speaker 3: been held in the phone booth, because I know there

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Speaker 3: can't be that many Democrats in Butler County given the

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Speaker 3: looking to meet up with all the illegal immigrants they've

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Speaker 4: The Butler County Detention Center.

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Speaker 3: That's probably the only people in Butler County that would

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Speaker 1: You know, I have a guest coming up later on

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Speaker 1: the cost today, the price for silver? Is it fair

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Speaker 3: Not just a silverspoon, the whole, the knives, the forks,

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Speaker 1: We got a party of six, come on down the

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Speaker 3: Bashier, Yes, and house and still had playing a room

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Speaker 4: The wants to eat there that day.

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Speaker 1: The problem let's talk about Somenny Moore Germain and I

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Speaker 1: murder conviction of a northern Kentucky woman who blamed hallucination.

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Speaker 1: She hit this guy, threw him up in there about

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Speaker 1: fifty four year old Frank Harris, repped up her engine,

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Speaker 2: As she was hallucinating.

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Speaker 1: Did any did anyone buy this one?

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Speaker 4: No, Willie. This was a bizarre case.

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Speaker 3: Is that this decision from the Kentucky Supreme Court upholding

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Speaker 3: a conviction of murder from Marshall Miller came out on

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Speaker 4: And she had this was.

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Speaker 3: All captured on store security video out on Winston Avenue

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Speaker 4: Basically had to do a U turn to get to.

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Speaker 4: And so she did.

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Speaker 3: That didn't make any sense, but nevertheless, I don't think

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Speaker 1: Did she know Frank Harris?

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Speaker 3: Frank Frank was a local homeless felt he were homeless.

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Speaker 3: But he was a local guy that just liked to

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Speaker 3: there's people like the Covington police didn't handle that, and

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Speaker 1: She just did it, did it for the hell of

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Speaker 2: And she did it.

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Speaker 1: She came up with that though months after the event

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Speaker 1: itself got thirty years in jail. She'll be out, I

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Speaker 1: guess in about another ten or fifteen years. But a

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Speaker 2: Well, so you're not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we used some records that when the see the

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Speaker 3: defense played a little switch roo here, Willie. They gave

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Speaker 3: that had no documentation of any hallucinations whatsoever. They gave

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Speaker 4: Excluded.

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Speaker 3: But we were using these records that their expert had

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure what, but he wanted to complain about

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Speaker 3: the cross examination of this expert Willie, and it was

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Speaker 3: using their own records. And the dissenting opinions is, well,

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Speaker 3: we don't know if these records were authentic. Well, I

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see what happens down the road on that.

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Speaker 2: But I guess the appeals are done.

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Speaker 1: But in ten years we'll find something else and maybe

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Speaker 1: some federal judge or let Marshall Miller go, haven't gotten

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Speaker 1: a thirty or sentence. What happens? What is thirty years

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Speaker 1: mean in Kentucky. I know it doesn't mean thirty.

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Speaker 3: It means a minimum of twenty Willie before she's even

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Speaker 3: eligible for parole. I think the next step for her

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Speaker 3: will be claiming that she didn't have adequate defense counsel,

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Speaker 3: show up file and ineffective assistance. A council appeal sometime

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Speaker 3: in the next year, and we'll we'll beat that Dan,

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Speaker 3: just like we beat her appeal down, and she'll do

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Speaker 3: worry about getting run over by Marshall Miller. And then

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Speaker 3: we'll start fighting her parole sometime in the twenty year mark.

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Speaker 2: Maybe one of your kids will be fighting that one.

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Speaker 2: We'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Secondly, before we talk about the porn case in northern Kentucky,

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Speaker 1: Kentucky right now has its major state representatives opposing Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: How's that possible?

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Speaker 4: Going to be paying on this.

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Speaker 3: But what I'm really more concerned about is that the

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Speaker 3: But nevertheless, Thomas is up there pointing that out. I

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Speaker 4: So where he does butt heads.

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Speaker 3: With the President, it's because he's wanting to do what

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Speaker 3: But you know, that's kind of where comments like that,

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Speaker 3: I don't think this is really anything to attribute to

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Speaker 2: You know what he should have done.

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Speaker 1: Mullen should have said, look what I said there was

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Speaker 2: It was meant to be a joke.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't funny, and we should never encourage anyone to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was definitely a clash of two titans in

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Speaker 3: It's Red on Red violence. Will he two Republicans just

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Speaker 1: When Republicans have no doubt acrass to fight with a

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Speaker 2: But once again and Andy B.

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Speaker 1: Shaer spreading out the Kentucky Democratic values to Middletown, a

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Speaker 3: The good news is, Willy, if that's where he's looking

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Speaker 3: for support for his presidential campaign, it's going to be

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Speaker 1: Party of six Butler County Democratic Party, Party of six

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Speaker 1: sit down with Andy Basher. We got to run, But

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Speaker 1: good luck to you and keep doing what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: Rob Sanders, You're a great American.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Willy, have a great day and go Red Opening

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Speaker 3: Day right around the corner.

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Speaker 2: We'll be there. Gods, thank you.

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