WEBVTT - EITM interviews Gunnar Nelson 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.920 And how are you. I am doing well, sir, How 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:04.240 are you? 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:07.720 I'm doing great now. It sounds like you've had nine 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:09.239 cups of coffee and I like it. 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:16.160 You're a little low, but I appreciate the compliment. I think. Anyway, 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:17.920 how are you doing, dude? 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:18.800 Where do you? 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:19.239 Little? 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:20.200 Life is great? Man? 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:23.040 Seriously, I caught a lick with the James gunn peacemaker 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:25.759 placement in that HBO show with John Cena with Nelson. 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:27.520 That was great. That happened a couple months ago. 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:29.479 And now we just woke up to a best selling 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:31.680 book on Amazon, so it feels pretty good. 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:34.560 Hey, So okay, so obviously we'll get into the book. 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:37.400 What happened to your hair is the name of the book. 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:42.840 Why? Well, let's let's back up to the beginning. Why why? Why? Now? Why? Now? 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:45.360 You know, honestly, it just kind of was one of 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:47.040 those things where over the years we had so many 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:50.520 people coming up with really important questions to us as 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:51.279 our father's son. 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:52.640 That's that was really the impetus. 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.639 It started out wanting to set the record straight with 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:57.760 what happened with our father's plane crash back in the 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:59.760 day that we weren't allowed to talk about back in 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:02.480 the day, and we just kind of hoped that time 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:04.440 was going to address that, and it. 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:05.840 Just seemed to not so. 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:08.560 After one too many people came up in an autograph 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:10.280 line and said, hey, you know, we heard all these 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:12.200 rumors about your dad's a plane crash. 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:13.360 What was the real deal? 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:16.640 We just decided to start writing the book just based 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:18.800 on that, and it turned into something much greater than that. 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.200 It was our opportunity in our own words. 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:23.920 There are no ghostwriters or anything like that, right, Matthew 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:26.160 and I got to tell our stories the first time 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:28.600 that we're telling our story rather than other people trying 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:29.360 to tell it for us. 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:31.600 You know what, you know what I don't understand though, 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:35.840 is like Ricky Nelson was very very famous, your dad 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:41.759 was a very very very famous person. And the plane 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.319 crash happens, and as it turns out, like we're. 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:45.800 Saying what it is, right, it's in the book, Like 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:46.880 I'm not hiding anything. 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:47.960 No, no, no, what we're saying what it is. 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.120 It turned out to be a leaking fuel line that 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.160 fed the heater in the back of the plane, that 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:55.080 filled the belly of the plane up with aviation fuel. 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:57.160 Right, and that faithful New Year's Eve. 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.960 It was coming in for a landing in decalb, Texas, 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:03.520 and the fuel sloshed forward and a spark in the 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:05.600 cockpit wiring actually set it on fire. 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:07.400 They actually landed the plane by the way. 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:09.640 They were able to land the plane, but the smoke 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:11.680 had taken everybody by the time that they were able 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:13.679 to see the pilot's escape through the escape patch in 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:16.640 the front, and they were the only two that survived. 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:19.639 They were really, really injured. But it was one of 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.359 those things where it was bad enough that we had 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:23.880 to deal with that. Our dad was our best friend. 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:25.600 Matt and I were just eighteen. We were all living 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:27.600 together and hanging out, and Matthew and I were actually 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:29.360 supposed to be on that plane. 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:31.720 Our father crazy is that? And your dad was like, 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:34.040 I got a bad something's not right here. 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:34.960 Just meet me there. 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:37.800 Well, look, as a dad myself, it's kind of one 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.240 of those things. All these years, I've wondered why it was. 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:42.960 But Matthew, Okay, first off, it was going into New 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.919 Year's Eve. It was the first semester after all of 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:47.840 our friends from high school had gone away to college 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:50.200 and they had come back and we were all going 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.440 to have New Year's Eve parties together and stuff. But 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:56.160 our dad was doing a New Year's Eve concert in Dallas, 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.400 and our plan was since we'd never flown on this 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:00.880 legendary plane. It was bought by I bought from Jerry 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:03.000 Lee Lewis. It was a World War Two era DC 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.400 three big plane that we were going to fly on 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.040 the plane with our father from his gig before New 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.640 Year's Eve in Alabama. We're going to fly with the 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:12.799 band and our dad to that New Year's Eve show 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:15.040 on the plane for the first time and catch New 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:17.560 Year's together, catch a show, And that was the whole 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:20.919 point of it. And for some reason our dad called 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.000 us the night before we were supposed to split. Matt 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:24.600 and I had our bags packed ready to go to 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.000 the airport and fly down there commercially. The next morning 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:30.000 he called out of the blue, and he was uncharacteristically 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.959 stern about it. He said, look, boys, just been thinking 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:34.960 about this. Love to spend New Year's with you, but 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:36.560 if we're going to do it, you gotta fly commercial 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:39.200 Dallas and meet me there. And you know, we were 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:40.720 kind of crabby about the whole thing, saying, you know, 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:42.120 the whole point was to fly on the plane and 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:43.760 he said, you know, look, I've made up my mind. 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.440 This is not a negotiation. It's not going to happen. 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:48.560 So we said, okay, well, we'll just wait here, hang 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:50.120 out with our friends for New Year's we'll see you 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.160 when you get back. And of course he never did right. 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:56.640 And then the press handled that so horribly. They started 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.440 this weird rumor about drug abuse on the plane having 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:03.400 any thing to do with it, and it was a whirlwind. 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:04.920 It was in the press cycle and so on top 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:05.800 of losing our dad. 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:09.600 As kids just eighteen, we had to navigate a really 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.680 toxic and violent press about how they were trashing our 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:13.520 dad's reputation. 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.320 But Matt and I at the time couldn't talk about it. 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:20.159 Because the deal was made that if the families of 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.520 the band that went down with the plane as well 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:25.800 were to get subsities, get paid, and be able to 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.440 pay for their kids, we weren't allowed to talk about it. 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.800 We had to wait until the NTSP report came out 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:34.040 a year later, which it did. Of course, it exonerated 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.400 our father. However, the damage had already been done. So 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.000 I still get people coming up at autograph lines like 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.840 I said, and asking and this book really does address 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:43.279 all of it. 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:45.920 But the part that I still don't get, and maybe 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:48.800 I'm just dumb, but the part that I don't get 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:52.240 is isn't it a big enough story? I feel horrible 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.400 saying this talk about your dad, but isn't it a 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:58.680 big enough story that Ricky Nelson and his band died 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.200 in a plane crash on New y Year's Eve? That 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.960 whether you don't have to go the extra step to 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.599 try to create like this false narrative about drug abuse. 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:11.880 How about just the fact that this guy who's his 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.920 parents are famous, he's got two young kids, he's got 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.599 a band there with families everybody. 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:18.600 Isn't that enough? 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:22.840 Well, sometimes we suck, Elliott, Like I said, you know, I, 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:25.800 you know, It's just kind of one of those things. 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:27.479 Man, It's just you would think. 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.320 But apparently there was a reporter from the Washington Post 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:33.920 walking around the wreckage afterwards and just launching questions, random 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:37.919 questions to the NTSB investigator who was there, and just 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:39.560 based on he said, oh, are you going to check 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.440 for drug abuse on the plane? And the investigator said, well, 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:46.640 we check for everything. Just on that, this guy decides 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:51.000 to write this totally fabricated story, which unfortunately caught wind 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.400 on the wire and spread everywhere. 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:54.800 But it was total bs. 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.120 The whole thing was right, and you know, I guess 0:05:57.120 --> 0:05:59.560 that reporter just kind of wanted to be at the 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.120 forefront of all that. It's you know, it was tragic 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:04.520 and stuff, but it's really important to note. Look, honestly, 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:07.640 we lose a lot of us going to and from gigs. 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:09.720 I always say, just Matthew and I've been doing this 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:11.960 for forty years now, and they don't really pay us 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:12.479 for the shows. 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:14.440 They pay us for the travel, right, that's what we 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:15.160 get paid for. 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.360 And it's scary, you know sometimes in Matthew and I've 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.479 had a lot of close calls that are also in 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.240 the book as well. But it's just kind of that 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:25.640 part of the lifestyle where you have to get you 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.240 got to bring the rock to the people, and you 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:30.880 got to get there somehow. And this was just kind 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:34.800 of one of those times when a series of events 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:39.080 had to conspire absolutely perfectly in order for that particular 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.279 disaster to have happened. You take one of those events 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.840 out and it wouldn't have happened quite that way. And 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.320 so when that happens, you just kind of got to go. Well, 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:49.839 maybe maybe God just wanted them home. Maybe it was 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:53.359 just his time. Because coincidences are one thing, but so 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.760 many coincidences lining up is really hard to kind of 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:57.279 look around. 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:00.000 Hey, So the way that you and Matthew do this book, 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.400 it's pretty interesting. It's it's all broken up by chapters, 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:05.560 and and I do want to say that, while you 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.640 know there's there there is obviously a ton that is 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.800 paid to the family, it also gets into the nitty 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:14.280 gritty and the good and I guess a little bit 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:18.680 of the not so good of Nelson, but the But 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.920 it's written chapter by chapter, where you write a chapter 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:25.600 and Matthew writes a chapter, or you'll write about something 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.160 and then Matthew will do it. How did you guys 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:29.640 decide to break it up that way? 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.600 Well, that's that's a great question. Well, first off, there 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:35.280 are no ghostwriters involved in this at all. This is 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:38.280 all me and Matthew. We've got a very specific voice. 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:41.560 And when we're putting together the so to speak, the 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:44.640 big rocks, like what are the chapters we're going to 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.600 have to conquer here, we actually kind of divvy them 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:49.920 up based on who was most passionate or had the 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.120 best memory of certain things that went down. 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:53.280 That's initially how we did it. 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:56.560 There was only one chapter where we each wrote our 0:07:56.640 --> 0:08:00.000 take on a particular event, and that was the event. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.600 We just talked about the crash. 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:06.960 But for everything else it really flowed very very well. 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.520 I mean, it's not a short book. It's over five 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.800 hundred pages, over fifty chapters, and to be honest with you, 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:16.080 we could have written another book equally as long if 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.040 you really wanted to do like the old adults only 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:19.400 version that's coming next. 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:20.000 This one. 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.280 We just had to kind of take the big swipes 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:25.720 at things and it's been an amazing ride. Man. 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:28.880 Our childhood was not Ozzie and Harriet. 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:33.320 Our career, man, it just had more ups and downs 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.439 than Magic Mountain. But the whole point was we always 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:40.160 had each other, and we've always had this attitude that 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:42.320 a lot of people in our industry have attacked. We 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.440 are eternal optimists. We're grateful for everything. We are the 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:49.720 opposite of the Kardashians. We are grateful for not entitled 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:52.800 at all, and that's really helped us sometimes. It's all 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.040 we've been able to have. Like I've got a producer 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.640 friend named Jack Ponti, who worked with bon Jovi back 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:59.680 in the day, who once said to us, I've never 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:00.880 seen any two. 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:03.840 Guys able to make more out of nothing than you guys. 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:06.720 And I went thank you, and he's like, I didn't 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:08.839 mean it as a compliment, and it's like, but we 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:10.920 naturally did take it as a compliment. 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:13.040 And that's what's really helped us. Man. 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:16.000 So I jumped immediately to page one eighty four, Rocking 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.000 the Radio, and it just so happened to be written 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:22.040 by you. And it starts picking up where you guys 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:25.360 are talking about how Geffen Records, who you're signed to, 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:28.160 has you guys out on the road. And the plan was, 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.480 how are you guys going to break through? Millie Vanilli's 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:36.080 scandal has just broken. Here's two guys who obviously look alike, 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:37.680 and they're going to be out on the road. 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:38.640 So the whole thing was. 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:41.839 Before anything is out, let's get them out on the road. 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:46.040 And you guys are visiting two, three, four radio stations 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:49.200 in a day, sometimes in four or five different cities 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:52.440 cities in a day, And the whole thing was just 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:54.880 get out there and get known, and get out there 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.840 and get known, and oh quick side note, did you 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:02.160 really play a radio station manager's daughter's sweet sixteen party? 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:03.000 Oh? 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:07.760 Many of them, Absolutely, many of them. I also did 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:09.920 a lot of those free radio shows. I'm using air 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:12.200 quotes here. Radio shows. Sure, you show up with the 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:16.320 band and you play for free, and then you find 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.480 out that the company that owns the radio station is 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:22.880 selling tickets and making a ton of money, and you're 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:24.800 you're doing it for free just on the chance they're 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:26.280 going to spin your record on the stations. 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:27.680 We did a lot of those two. 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.560 So you're I'm sorry, go ahead, go ahead, No, no, 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:31.600 I mean what you were mentioning. 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:33.360 Yes, we did have to go to all the radio 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.600 stations because you talk about timing. As you mentioned, Milli 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.000 Vanilli comes out like eight months before us. The whole 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:42.560 scandal happens, actually eight months before we release. People see 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:44.839 the two of us in spandex and assless chaps and 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:48.360 they think we're like Milli Vanilla, you know, And honestly, dude, 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:49.160 we were a lot. 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:50.320 I mean, we really were. 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:53.360 The image was insane, but our model was love us 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:54.760 or hate us, You're going to know who we are. 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:57.760 But the problem with that is being sons of having 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:01.400 the image we had we had basically treated as guilty 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:04.520 until proven innocent. Right going to all of those radio 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:08.120 stations was not just to get known. It was to 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:12.960 get in there, raw and unfiltered, two acoustic guitars, two voices. 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:14.880 Of course, I don't know why you guys want us 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:16.440 to sing it for in the morning and sound like 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.640 we're in fine form, but that's kind of like the 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:20.079 nature of it. You go out and you do these 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:23.600 morning shows and you spread the word and it's it 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:24.600 can't be doctored. 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:26.720 You know, it's not auto tune. It's right there. 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.080 So people could hear the Matthew and I actually know 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.440 how to how to speak our mind, and we actually 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:35.600 can sing, and we can actually play talker. I don't 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.280 know why people wouldn't assume that we could, But that's 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.520 what that whole thing was about, was just to get 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.640 people talking at radio that like, hey, you know, I 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:45.920 wanted to write off those Nelson boys, but man, they're pretty. 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:47.959 Darn good, you know. So that's what we had to 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:49.880 start doing. So you guys are on your way to 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.600 the Bobby Poe Convention. We'll get into that in a second, and. 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:53.160 That takes place. 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:56.440 The Poe Convention is actually in Tyson's corner here in DC. 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.679 But here's the part that I didn't realize. And now, Gunner, 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:03.040 you won't you and I you will not remember me. 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:07.000 That's okay, but you talk about You guys are in 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:11.240 d C. And Pirate Radio plays your song out in 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:15.360 Los Angeles and people start calling you, going, holy crap, 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.760 Pirate Radio's playing your song. It's not out yet, like 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:20.600 it hasn't been put out yet. You guys are just 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.440 going and all of a sudden, Pirate starts playing it. 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.079 Now the part, Gunner, that you won't remember is at 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:29.280 Pirate Radio, I was Russell the Love Muscle. 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:33.120 Oh okay, now I know who I'm talking to you. 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:33.840 That's awesome. 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:36.839 And so I remember playing. 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:40.280 I remember you guys coming in and doing Christmas carols 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:44.000 at Pirate. I feel like Pirate and Nelson did so 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.600 much crap together we all may. 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:47.920 As well have been joined at the hip. 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:49.560 Ain't that the case? 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:49.720 Man? 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:50.640 Pirate Radio. 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:53.240 Wow, that was just a different day in radio. It 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:53.959 was so cool. 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.200 I always tell people I love the fact that our 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:59.000 first record came out before cell phones because we still 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:03.560 had culpable deny, you know, no photographic proof in the pocket. 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:08.160 You couldn't be tracked everywhere you went, and radio was fantastic. 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:11.560 Pirate Radio was a station in LA that basically auspiciously 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:13.839 played what they wanted to play, right, And this was 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:15.719 at a time when all the big companies, the big 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:19.040 corporations that ran radio were formatting everything. And this is 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:22.559 before Jack FM eliminated a lot of the DJs, and 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:24.280 it was really great. It's kind of like the Wild 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.400 West for radio. And we got into trouble all the 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:28.320 time with those guys. But the problem was we were 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.960 out on those radio tours, like we just mentioned, going 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:32.640 from city to city to city, and I was starting 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:35.199 to get phone calls from my friends going, hey, man, 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:37.360 your song sounds great on the radio and we'd never 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.360 heard it before, and it was very frustrating. So this 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:44.280 convention you mentioned, the Bobby Coat Boat Convention, legendary radio 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.000 convention that they don't do anymore because. 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:48.520 Ye strippers and cocaine. 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:50.960 Oh yeah, no, no, I don't know what you're talking about. 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:51.839 What are you talking about? 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:54.520 And it was one of those things too, because we 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:56.080 were always, you know, making the most out of what 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:56.520 we had. 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:58.280 That particular convention. 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.000 Our record label, Geffen rec was too cheap to get 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:03.680 a sweet upstairs where people were normally the radio guys 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:06.760 were normally corded, And so Matthew and I opened up 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.760 our guitar cases at the foot of the one elevator 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.120 that people would have to go up and down all day, 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.520 and we opened up our guitar cases and started busking 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:18.360 right there and playing our instruments and singing our songs. 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:21.600 And that's how we kind of introduced ourselves to a 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.120 lot of different radio people. And on the ride home 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.800 from the convention, one of our friends at radio said, Hey, 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.000 this is for the Nelson Boys, who were complaining about 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.520 the fact that they've never heard their song on the radio. 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:34.920 This is for you boys, And they played Love and 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.160 Affection and we had one of those that thing you 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.560 do moments. We've literally pulled over the car freaking out. 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.000 And I love radio compression. It was the first time 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:44.400 we ever heard our song on the radio. 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:46.320 Was awesome, and YouTube. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.160 Were jumping around like you just won the super Bowl 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:49.840 on the side of the New Jersey Turnpike. 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.200 Well, that's pretty freaking cool, man, that's awesome. No, I 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:55.600 think it's great. I love that. That's in the. 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.640 Book, dude, We're just a couple of kids from Burbank 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:00.640 who just wanted to make music. We happened to have 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:04.120 a famous father that you know, was you know, sold 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:07.600 half or half a billion singles during his career. No pressure, 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.280 mind you, But to us, we just had music around 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:11.920 the house all the time, and we wanted to do 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:15.040 our own thing like the other generations of Nelson's had done. 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:16.720 Our grandpa had a big band and he had a 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:19.720 number one in nineteen thirty five, and our dad has 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.840 had his and you know, we had our success when 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.120 spandex was still a privilege and not a rite, and 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.520 it was great, man, it was a big, big fun 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.240 But they were songs that we wrote ourselves, that we 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:31.200 produced ourselves. 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:32.920 And now here we are, man, all. 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.360 These years later, talking about a book that we wrote ourselves. 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:37.360 It's pretty cool, hey, is it true? 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:41.040 Like like when Ricky Nelson would your dad was huge, 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:46.160 People would break into the house to like like climb 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:48.680 up the lattice work and break into the house. And 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:52.000 then his mom, your grandmother, would go meet him there 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:54.520 and like take them downstairs and serve them breakfast. 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:55.520 Pretty much. 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:59.520 Yeah, I mean she was actually really used to the 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:03.000 ty Bopper's kind of breaking. Everybody knew where the Nelson's lived, 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.040 by the way, if I mean a lot of your 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:06.840 listeners are too young to remember, but there was a 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.880 family television show called The Adventures of Ozzy and Harriet. 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:12.080 They ran for fourteen years and four hundred and thirty 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.200 five episodes, and there was an establishing shot at the 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:17.440 beginning of each episode of a big white house that 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.160 the family walked out of the front door and waved 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.360 to the camera that was their real house at eighteen 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:25.600 twenty two Caminal palm Merrow in Hollywood. Everyone knew where 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:27.280 that Nelson's lived, and it was a different time. You 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:28.320 didn't have you didn't have. 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:30.640 A big walls or security details. 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.560 And Grandma Harriet would tell us that she was very 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.200 used to when our dad caught a lick with his music. 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:38.480 It was only like sixteen or seventeen, but it was 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:41.240 a phenomenon. Her going up to put away our dad's 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.520 laundry and she's here like giggling, and she'd look over 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:47.680 and she'd see saddle shoes poking out from behind the 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.000 curtains by the window. I mean, girls would sneak in 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.360 all the time, and she would just you know, be 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:54.680 friendly to them and stuff and tell them that they 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:56.840 couldn't do that and take them downstairs and ask them 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:57.960 if they were hungry or whatever. 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:02.880 She was Harriet, she was awesome, but different times totally, Gunnard, 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:03.520 let me ask you this. 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:05.960 So there's there's a point in the book where you're 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:10.680