Speaker 1: Don't want to be an American.
Speaker 2: Thursday Maritis short day. We've got Reds baseball here on
Speaker 2: seven hundred WWS eleven o'clock inside pitch and try and
Speaker 2: take three or four from the Marlins for getting back home.
Speaker 2: That's the fun part. This is the sickening part for
Speaker 2: you of the news cycle. So this guy in Ohio
Speaker 2: man just became the first person in America to be
Speaker 2: convicted of our new federal AI deep fake porn law.
Speaker 2: But Ohio itself has no law concerning AI child pornography.
Speaker 2: That's not a state crime. So how's that possible? In
Speaker 2: light of this case? And by the way, we have
Speaker 2: not one, but two brand new cases involving deep fake
Speaker 2: AI porn for underage people in both Evandelle and Mason.
Speaker 2: Joining the show from Ohioans for Child Protection is Rebecca Scherendorf.
Speaker 2: Good morning, Rebecca. How you been oh doing good?
Speaker 3: Thanks for drawing attention to that.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not drawing attention to it. I think the
Speaker 2: news cycle is because we've had three big cases this week.
Speaker 2: I mentioned we'll get to the We'll get to the
Speaker 2: charges against this guy from Hilliard, Ohio. James Strellier is
Speaker 2: his Estraller is his name from up in Columbus, and
Speaker 2: it's pretty disturbing when you look at the details of
Speaker 2: the case him. But we have a seven year old
Speaker 2: Mason who's in a Warren County Juvenile court fifty plus
Speaker 2: family charges for pandering sexual ordered material involving a minor
Speaker 2: a two year about a year long investigation. I should
Speaker 2: say it involves AI generated explicit images where in this
Speaker 2: case a girl's face was put on a fake body
Speaker 2: to make her look naked and rain Phoenix Brown out
Speaker 2: of Evandale in Hamlin County's twenty four year old three
Speaker 2: charges of pandering involving a minor, pandering sexual oriented material
Speaker 2: involving a minor, and in illegal use of minor and
Speaker 2: nudity ordered material. Same thing here and I mentioned the
Speaker 2: big case is James Darud the second from Columbus installed
Speaker 2: twenty four over twenty four AI platforms in over one
Speaker 2: hundred web based AI models on his phone and use
Speaker 2: that to harass at least six adult women for a
Speaker 2: period of about a year or two and created porn
Speaker 2: depicting vic and sex acts with her own father and
Speaker 2: then distributed to her coworkers. And they found literally hundreds
Speaker 2: of images in another thousand or so a couple thousand
Speaker 2: on his phone, and he is the first person in
Speaker 2: the US convicted or to take it down. Act. I
Speaker 2: know that's a lot to throw at you this morning,
Speaker 2: but we have two local stories god knows how many more,
Speaker 2: and of course this case here in Ohio of James Strauder.
Speaker 2: The second forty five states have laws criminalizing AI generator
Speaker 2: computed editor edited. It's called c SAM, is what they
Speaker 2: what it's called. And maybe you can explain that terminology
Speaker 2: and kind of set it up for us here before
Speaker 2: we get to talking about what's really going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's a few things. First of all, Ohio,
Speaker 3: we do have the child chornography in statute, and the
Speaker 3: nation's been shifting to child sex abuse material. That's the
Speaker 3: sea SAM term, and that's just to recenter the fact
Speaker 3: that a child is abused when there is pornography made
Speaker 3: of a child, and that this is part of the
Speaker 3: abuse and the revictimization. So just as people hear this
Speaker 3: and see it in the news and whatnot, it doesn't
Speaker 3: quite align with our terminology here in Ohio, but for
Speaker 3: the nation's shifting that way because this is not a
Speaker 3: victimist crime by any stretch of the imagination. And while
Speaker 3: those are three high profile cases happening both in our community,
Speaker 3: within our states and whatnot, I think this is just
Speaker 3: a drop in the bucket. Basically, studies are indicating the
Speaker 3: child online exploitations is currently sitting in about one in
Speaker 3: six kids are being exploited online. That can take many forms,
Speaker 3: such as being sex storted into producing sexual images of themselves.
Speaker 3: They can be getting paid to produce material, which sadly,
Speaker 3: children that are risks are all the higher targets for
Speaker 3: this kind of exploitation, and once there are images of
Speaker 3: them generated, this in turn could lead to escalating behavior
Speaker 3: like I've heard of pathways where a child was first
Speaker 3: just paid to take a picture of their feet and
Speaker 3: share it, which would seem very harmless to a child
Speaker 3: to share a picture of their feet right, and before
Speaker 3: you know it is escalated into having to conduct violent
Speaker 3: sets backs against the peer and record it and share
Speaker 3: it with the offender. And this is another layer in
Speaker 3: it is that the online exploitation can then spread into
Speaker 3: the minor exploiting their peers and those around them getting
Speaker 3: exploited as well. And as though high winds for child protection.
Speaker 3: We're concerned that our Statehouse is not keeping pace. We
Speaker 3: have lawmakers like Senator Blessing and Senator Johnson, which has
Speaker 3: introduced SB one sixty three to address a C STAMPS
Speaker 3: in our state. But there's probably another dozen plus bills
Speaker 3: that need to be passed in Columbus right now, and
Speaker 3: then we need a broad look at our policies and
Speaker 3: ask ourselves is this really keeping case?
Speaker 4: Because the CDC.
Speaker 3: Is estimating that about one in four girls are being
Speaker 3: sexually abused by AJ eighteen and the boys fall somewhere
Speaker 3: between the one in six to one in ten mark
Speaker 3: most likely closer to one in six if you consider
Speaker 3: the harm from online exploitation, which can be very real.
Speaker 3: I mean we see these committee suicide.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think we had a case in I want
Speaker 2: to say in Lawrenceburg, maybe not too long ago, same
Speaker 2: thing happened there. There was an exploitation thing. And the
Speaker 2: sick part about it is you look at this James Stralo,
Speaker 2: the second first guy convicted thirty seven years old. The
Speaker 2: charges by the way, cyberstalking, producing obsteam, visual representations of
Speaker 2: child sexual abuse, and publication of digital forgeries. He had
Speaker 2: all these AI platforms installed on his phone and created
Speaker 2: porn depicting a victim and sex acts with her own father,
Speaker 2: and then sent it to her co workers. And of
Speaker 2: course it was just you know, her face, but it
Speaker 2: was AI generated on top of a naked body. Image
Speaker 2: of a naked body. And he posted AI generated images
Speaker 2: of children using faces of boys from his community. And
Speaker 2: they found seven over seven hundred images on a child
Speaker 2: sexual blush website, another twenty four hundred roughly on his phone.
Speaker 2: So this is the first person you was convicted under
Speaker 2: the Take It Down Act. So talk about the dispairy
Speaker 2: walk the listeners through with the gap in Ohio versus
Speaker 2: the federal law right now.
Speaker 3: So right now, SC one sixty three does a few
Speaker 3: things that we don't have in federal law. First of all,
Speaker 3: one of the sections requires a watermark on AI generated
Speaker 3: material that indicates that it was AI generated. I think
Speaker 3: this could be useful because if the technology companies have
Speaker 3: to provide the water mark and it's there, at least
Speaker 3: if you have in the faeria factor using the tool
Speaker 3: incorrectly and illegally, there is that chance at least that
Speaker 3: the watermark is still going to stay on it as
Speaker 3: long as they don't remove it, which is a separate crime,
Speaker 3: the removing of the water mark. And so this will
Speaker 3: actually be protecting people on multiple levels because if you
Speaker 3: think of the Columbus Areya a case, I mean we
Speaker 3: have adult women, adult men because that father is just
Speaker 3: as much a victim in this, and we also even
Speaker 3: have young boys that were targeted by this man. So
Speaker 3: we have a wide range of people that are being
Speaker 3: targeted with this AI pornography and also the deep bikes,
Speaker 3: because there are other things beyond sexual exploitation that could
Speaker 3: still be very problematic to be detecting people doing.
Speaker 4: And can result in loss of jobs.
Speaker 3: There have been cases where AI has been used to
Speaker 3: have someone say some really offensive things in which their
Speaker 3: job was on the line. I believe it was a
Speaker 3: school principle that was targeted in the case that was
Speaker 3: highlight I did by Attorney General Gates in his committee
Speaker 3: testimony on SBS one sixty three, and then also our bill,
Speaker 3: the bill that Center of Blessing Johnson brought. It gives
Speaker 3: a civil course of action to victims, and I think
Speaker 3: it is so very important that first of all, victims
Speaker 3: should have access to civil court. They're there for a reason.
Speaker 3: It is a valid part of our justice system. But
Speaker 3: also it creates an incentive for the tech companies and
Speaker 3: for the individuals not to engage in that that they
Speaker 3: too can face three percussions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder, I wonder, I wonder how, I wonder how, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I wonder how hard it is for them to stop creating?
Speaker 2: You know, it's I would no one listening right now
Speaker 2: other than maybe one person possibly understand how AI works, right,
Speaker 2: and how you're able to simply turn that that that
Speaker 2: element off. By the way, so Rebecca Scherndorff, she's on
Speaker 2: the show with the Ohioans for Child Protection. She was
Speaker 2: critical during the clergy abuse cases, and now we're talking
Speaker 2: about something called Sea SAM. It's called child sexual abuse material.
Speaker 2: You heard the name James Strall of the second out
Speaker 2: of Columbus, just a horrific criminal here involving AI generated
Speaker 2: images used on women and some children. And now two
Speaker 2: cases one in Mason one and Evendale where you have
Speaker 2: younger people that are using AI to generate naked images
Speaker 2: of people or they take their face and their likeness
Speaker 2: and put it on essentially an AI generated nude body
Speaker 2: and then disseminating it to other students. In the case
Speaker 2: of stroller, he was doing it with women that that
Speaker 2: he knew and was doing in the workplace. A different story.
Speaker 2: But on those two things, amazing case I said involves this.
Speaker 2: I believe seventeen year old I said, facing fifty plus
Speaker 2: colomny charges. The court didn't mention AI specifically there, and
Speaker 2: that's an element of it. And the stroller case is
Speaker 2: children and women. So when you look at it, is
Speaker 2: AI generated SEESAM, which by the way, is child sexual
Speaker 2: abuse material. Hear that term a lot se SAM. It's
Speaker 2: crossing all demographic lines right now. And does the law
Speaker 2: dictate that it's specifically about children or its include adults
Speaker 2: for everyone.
Speaker 3: This actually is offering protection to everyone, and it goes
Speaker 3: a step further to also protect you from someone feeling
Speaker 3: your identity using.
Speaker 2: AI gotcha, which which is.
Speaker 3: The impacts seniors and financial crimes. So I think the
Speaker 3: senators try to make a well rounded bill here, and
Speaker 3: it should sit in state.
Speaker 4: Law as well.
Speaker 3: We shouldn't leave room for criminals to be able to
Speaker 3: exploit people on our state because we don't have as
Speaker 3: robuts of laws as the other forty five states in
Speaker 3: the country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is an interesting angle from a I guess
Speaker 2: the First Amendment standpoint, because this is going to be
Speaker 2: things like this are going to be challenged, and that's
Speaker 2: the way the law works. You know, you don't have
Speaker 2: to agree with going, well, we should be protecting children
Speaker 2: and innocent people from this nonsense. However, the Constitution talks
Speaker 2: about First Amendment. What dictates in the first Amendment. So
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the case right now out of Sturgis
Speaker 2: and this guy, I think Sturgis, Wisconsin. I want to
Speaker 2: say that the age there is upholding a federal or
Speaker 2: a statute to state statute that band's possession of child
Speaker 2: sex dolls and computer generated sexual material and includes identifiable features,
Speaker 2: and so the sex doll that looks like a child,
Speaker 2: it's kind of disturbing. They want to continue to enforce that.
Speaker 2: There are critics out there that argue purely AI generated images,
Speaker 2: ones that don't use a real child's face, unlike the
Speaker 2: ones we're talking about here, are victimless and protected expression.
Speaker 2: What's your response to that argument? We're talking about AI
Speaker 2: general image is not of real people in their face,
Speaker 2: but rather just AI generated bodies, naked bodies, and in
Speaker 2: this case of children. What do you make of that.
Speaker 3: Well, I think if we look at this in the
Speaker 3: larger contexts that RAIN estimates that sexual violent crimes, the
Speaker 3: actual individuals only have about a two percent convictionary. And
Speaker 3: part of the problem is the delayed disclosure which Ohio
Speaker 3: has an old statue limitations while in the book that
Speaker 3: isn't updated to reflect the rest of the country on this.
Speaker 3: But take that load conviction ary and then look at
Speaker 3: what other stakes have done. They have found the individuals
Speaker 3: that buy these child sextuals are actually most likely offenders.
Speaker 3: And it's a much easier case to make that you
Speaker 3: have purchased something like this which is clearly for use
Speaker 3: for sexualizing a child and also can be used in
Speaker 3: a grooming process if you think about it, but is
Speaker 3: most certainly not a normal purchest and is it the
Speaker 3: red flag behavior? And so some states have gone the
Speaker 3: route of criminalizing those kinds of devices, such as child
Speaker 3: sex dolls, in order to identify more child exploiters. As
Speaker 3: a free speech we have a long history of regulating
Speaker 3: things that you say and material that you can produce
Speaker 3: when it causes harm to others, and when you have
Speaker 3: tens of millions of images that do not depict an
Speaker 3: actual person, but is still sexualizing children. You are moving
Speaker 3: a certain group of people along a tangent of exploitative
Speaker 3: thoughts about minors, and they may start acting on them.
Speaker 3: An example of this, as there has been an uptick
Speaker 3: in strangulation content in regular pornn there has been a
Speaker 3: corresponding uptick of strangulation on our college campuses. Now, strangulation
Speaker 3: is a felony, and you can survive a strangulation and
Speaker 3: still die later because this is actually cutting off the
Speaker 3: blood to your brain when you're strangled. This is more
Speaker 3: involved than you know, like holding your breath. Right, This
Speaker 3: isn't just oxygen that we're talking about, and a person
Speaker 3: that's been strangled is actually at risk of strokes even
Speaker 3: six months later posts surviving the strangulation. But you have
Speaker 3: young people that see this material and it's been normalized
Speaker 3: as a kink, even though it is deeply harmful and
Speaker 3: a pelony, right, And I think that's just an example
Speaker 3: of where you see a performance of something that's harmful
Speaker 3: sexually seeping out into the real world and harming real people.
Speaker 2: It's going to be an interesting challenge because, as you
Speaker 2: said that, I don't disagree with you because it's horrific
Speaker 2: what we're talking about here, Rebecca. But he said, you know,
Speaker 2: they watch AI generated images which aren't real things. I
Speaker 2: mean it's like it's like a cartoon. Essentially. It looks
Speaker 2: a real life, but it's it's not real in real life,
Speaker 2: if that makes sense, And they might act on that,
Speaker 2: see that, And that's a slippery slope, I think from
Speaker 2: a constitution perspective, and I think you'd agree with me.
Speaker 2: Is like, Okay, well I have a gun and I
Speaker 2: might shoot someone in to metal homicide. I may, I
Speaker 2: may not. That's a slippery slope right there that they
Speaker 2: you know under the law, I guess under I know
Speaker 2: if it's habeas corpus or not. But essentially it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: in this case, when we're talking about real people, there
Speaker 2: are real victims there, whereas with AI generated image there
Speaker 2: is no victim.
Speaker 3: Well, and I think this is going to depend on
Speaker 3: the details. And this is why we import and judges,
Speaker 3: because our lawmakers put the words on paper, and then
Speaker 3: our prosecutors have discretion from there, and then we still
Speaker 3: have our grand jury in place even before charges are brought,
Speaker 3: and then it goes before a judge and a jury, right,
Speaker 3: and those processes are in place. Actually, they had a
Speaker 3: whole other layer to our law. There's what's written in statute,
Speaker 3: and then there's the case law that occurs after the
Speaker 3: writing of a statue, and so you can have aspects
Speaker 3: of it that are tossed out when there are valid
Speaker 3: concerns regarding free speech. But at the same time it's
Speaker 3: soll legal for you. And i's goes, you know, to
Speaker 3: the stereotypical theater and shoutfire, and we make it into
Speaker 3: a situation where someone claims, well, that wasn't actually this individual,
Speaker 3: but because they altered their image just enough, right, sure,
Speaker 3: and because there's also problems with real child sex abuse
Speaker 3: material then being altered by AI to make it look
Speaker 3: safe in order to claim then that it's okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think people like the Straller guys should be
Speaker 2: buried underneath the jail, quite honestly, and anyone doing this
Speaker 2: stuff to exploit people, it's criminal. But we do have
Speaker 2: to watch the constitution, constitutionali of it. I think we're
Speaker 2: all rooting for these people to go to prison or worse.
Speaker 2: But at the same time I understand the perils of
Speaker 2: enacting a law that says Hey, anything AI generated is
Speaker 2: is you know, if it's child porn, it's no go.
Speaker 2: It's It's going to be an interesting conversation that's going
Speaker 2: to develop, for sure, But I appreciate what you do.
Speaker 2: Rebecca Scherndorf for Ohiles, for Hines for child protection. As
Speaker 2: Ohio now tries to get their laws up to speed
Speaker 2: here to match the federal one. We have a man
Speaker 2: in Columbus, first one prosecuted under this new law. Federally,
Speaker 2: the DOJ believes first person in the United States convictim
Speaker 2: to the Take It Down Act is James Straller out
Speaker 2: of Columbus, Ohio, and just absolutely horrific things that he
Speaker 2: did to women and involving AI and deep fake porn. Rebecca,
Speaker 2: all the best, Thanks for jumping on this morning. Love
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't switched times on this, It's just we
Speaker 2: have Red's Baseball today coming up at eleven o'clock, a
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Speaker 2: the Reds take three or four? We're gonna find out,
Speaker 2: because last night not so good, not so good. But
Speaker 2: today I maybe we'll start another a five game winning
Speaker 2: street kuos. My wife is here to talk real estate
Speaker 2: and stuff. And by the way, I don't know if
Speaker 2: it happened minutes ago. I'm not quite sure because I'm
Speaker 2: not there. But we had that ge plane flyover at
Speaker 2: even Dal two thousand feet off the ground, and you
Speaker 2: know if people will see that and flip out, so
Speaker 2: they're just testing. It's like a flying laboratory. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: So two thousand feet off the ground is pretty pretty
Speaker 2: low to the ground right there, right.
Speaker 4: I did not see it, so I'm assuming that it's
Speaker 4: not near me.
Speaker 2: But yeah, wow cool, so right, so that's good, that's okay,
Speaker 2: that's kind of fun thing to do today. Ge Anyway,
Speaker 2: what's going on with you?
Speaker 4: I have a question for you. Did you take like
Speaker 4: a bite out of the middle of a banana on
Speaker 4: the counter and like right in the middle of the banana?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that morning, that's what I do. I got an
Speaker 2: extra five I got up early, Michelle, extra five minutes
Speaker 2: before my arm went off. Okay, you know what mean
Speaker 2: to do. I got a got up of bed, I
Speaker 2: walked in, I walked in the kitchen and took the
Speaker 2: bite out of the middle of banana, because that's what
Speaker 2: I do it at five forty five in the morning.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, okay, well either I was okay, it was you,
Speaker 4: thank goodness.
Speaker 2: How big a bite? Well, how big a bite was it?
Speaker 2: Let's do some research.
Speaker 4: So it was like a human indentation. Yeah, in the
Speaker 4: middle of the banana. The outside of the banana was gone.
Speaker 4: Something had been gnawing on the inside of the banana.
Speaker 2: So here's it describe it. The peel's gone. So whatever
Speaker 2: aid it? Took a bite out of the middle of
Speaker 2: the bana.
Speaker 4: Right, and took the peel and some of the juicy
Speaker 4: stuff whatever.
Speaker 2: The banana banana material not the case.
Speaker 4: It took the whole time. It took a bite. I
Speaker 4: mean it could have been not a little bite. We've
Speaker 4: been having a little issues with a few mice wanting
Speaker 4: to come in and cracking noises. I was hearing. We
Speaker 4: I think we had a discussion about this. So I
Speaker 4: am on high alert for any type of what this
Speaker 4: is vicious activity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what this is because you have I
Speaker 2: believe you. Is it you You have a client that
Speaker 2: involves squirrels in an attic.
Speaker 4: Well, that's happening too. I have somebody in the neighborhood
Speaker 4: is complaining about squirrels in their attic and they're like,
Speaker 4: do I have to replace all of the insulation? And
Speaker 4: the answer she said, because it's very expensive. And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you do, because any infiltration of animals in your home
Speaker 4: leaves droppings, leaves urine with this gross but it is
Speaker 4: what it is. All animals do it. So and yeah,
Speaker 4: So right now in Cincinnati, we're seeing squirrels looking for
Speaker 4: places to nat and the squirrels are if they get
Speaker 4: into your attic, it's a nice warm place where they
Speaker 4: can where they can have babies, ye, but they also
Speaker 4: do a lot of damage. So with that you need
Speaker 4: to your You're going to have to probably call a
Speaker 4: professional because you need a full remediation, meaning you're going
Speaker 4: to have to get all of that insulation material out
Speaker 4: of the attic, you'll have to replace it. Then you're
Speaker 4: going to have to steal the holes where they got in. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's a whole.
Speaker 2: Thing, the whole thing. I know someone who same thing,
Speaker 2: They had mice in the addict didn't think anything of it,
Speaker 2: and then finally like, yeah, I've got some mice up there,
Speaker 2: call somebody, and they had a whole colony of mice
Speaker 2: up there to the point where they had to take
Speaker 2: out and replace the insulation to the tune of seventeen
Speaker 2: thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: Ooh mama, Yeah, that's not good. And then there's also
Speaker 4: if it's been up there for long enough, you have
Speaker 4: to look at also some of the contamination on the
Speaker 4: on the boards and stuff that are up there as well.
Speaker 4: So it's a whole thing. I've also seen in years
Speaker 4: past raccoons getting into older homes, really older homes like
Speaker 4: in Clifton and stuff where they get up into the
Speaker 4: eaves and then crawl into the attic, and they can
Speaker 4: cause some really serious damage, very destructive. Often raccoons connect
Speaker 4: can tear into roots, and you definitely need a professional
Speaker 4: to trap and get rid of them. It's it's not pretty,
Speaker 4: it's very expensive. So and we do. I've found that
Speaker 4: we've had these little mice that there goes little mice.
Speaker 4: They're cute and all, but I don't want them in
Speaker 4: my house, right So I like to get rid of
Speaker 4: the mice in a humane way, because you know, I am,
Speaker 4: I'm very very human.
Speaker 2: So she gets a little it's like a little cylinder
Speaker 2: trap with the thing in the end, and you put
Speaker 2: some peanuts at the other and the thing gets in
Speaker 2: it in a minute, walks towards the peanuts over the
Speaker 2: door of the little trapped or and then it scurries
Speaker 2: back and forth. And then some die out of stress
Speaker 2: or have a heart attack or something like that. But
Speaker 2: often the case is my wife will take said container
Speaker 2: and take it outside of the yard and dump it
Speaker 2: back on where the mice will find its way back
Speaker 2: in again because they're smart like that. You've got to
Speaker 2: take the thing a few miles away, if you know,
Speaker 2: you need to make it somebody else's problem is what
Speaker 2: you need to do, Michelle.
Speaker 4: I think I think I may have caught the same
Speaker 4: mouth three times this week.
Speaker 2: The trap in the garage, right in the trap of
Speaker 2: the garage.
Speaker 4: I think that little secret what did you say? Put
Speaker 4: a little what do you want? Put some something on
Speaker 4: his tail to make up.
Speaker 2: You need like a little tag, like ear tag like
Speaker 2: they do with porpoises. See where it's migrating to and from.
Speaker 2: Spray a little something on his back and go okay,
Speaker 2: oh this is the same guy. Yeah, because they'll just
Speaker 2: keep they're done. They just keep coming in the same
Speaker 2: hole and go oh huh.
Speaker 4: I didn't just drop him like right out the door.
Speaker 4: I took him like a half a block away.
Speaker 2: Well, Matt, I don't know. Maybe if you should we
Speaker 2: put the bananas up high, put the banana by don't
Speaker 2: we put the bananas in a case, and then you
Speaker 2: don't have to worry. Then this isn't a problem.
Speaker 4: No, those bananas, the whole bunch got thrown in the
Speaker 4: of course they did. Sure that they're gone. You need
Speaker 4: if you're looking for a banana to tomorrow or tonight
Speaker 4: or whatever, you're.
Speaker 2: Not going to get bananas are forty nine cents a pound.
Speaker 2: What am I made of money?
Speaker 4: Well, I'm sorry, son, bananas are gone. There was a
Speaker 4: giant bite out of it. It was it was really
Speaker 4: weird because yesterday it's it's the banana mystery. So there
Speaker 4: was like a slice in the banana yesterday, and I thought, oh,
Speaker 4: it's just a slice, maybe you know, so that was
Speaker 4: ano big deal. But then this morning there was like
Speaker 4: it was like somebody took a scoop out of the middle.
Speaker 2: Where that's probably you want to get a mouse trap
Speaker 2: and put it on where the bananas work. Why do
Speaker 2: you get this? Why do you and the bananas in
Speaker 2: the garbage? Get a hunk of banana, put it in
Speaker 2: a trap and we'll find out.
Speaker 4: Oh but I don't want to trap in the kitchen.
Speaker 2: Though that's where it pens.
Speaker 4: I guess that's where they are. But I don't really
Speaker 4: love that idea.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to tell you that I don't
Speaker 2: I don't know what to did. Well, maybe we had
Speaker 2: to get a cat because that dog ain't doing a
Speaker 2: damn thing.
Speaker 4: No, he was. It was barking last night. You were
Speaker 4: sleeping sound asleep with your ear plugs in of course,
Speaker 4: there was the deer in the yard, and bandit was
Speaker 4: barking his head off. I had to go in the
Speaker 4: other room and sleep with him. And then he decided
Speaker 4: that nope, that the deer is still out there. Mom,
Speaker 4: I gotta go get him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's a deer. Yeah. I. Meanwhile, there's a
Speaker 2: there's a mouse running around inside the house, playing cards
Speaker 2: with other mice or having a big old party in
Speaker 2: the kitchen. He could paralyze. But the deer out of
Speaker 2: the yard, that's the problem. Stupid dog dog.
Speaker 4: Okay, so there's do we have time all? Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, no, go ahead, Okay, I got stuff in my attic,
Speaker 2: I got my my produces all damage. What should I do?
Speaker 4: Michelle, Well, that's the problem, right, it is a problem.
Speaker 4: We may have to now the dog's barking. Okay, we
Speaker 4: have an absolute mess on here this morning. The one
Speaker 4: thing is d I y removal of my little mice
Speaker 4: are not a big deal. It's kind of gross and
Speaker 4: people are probably like freaking out right now, but it's fine. Nature,
Speaker 4: just don't worry about it. But if you do have
Speaker 4: squirrels in the attic, if you have raccoons, actually yeah,
Speaker 4: or raccoons in your attic. If you have bats in
Speaker 4: the attic, that's the bad thing. Bats are actually protected species,
Speaker 4: so you can't just go, you know, try to kill them.
Speaker 4: You're not allowed to kill bats. The other animal that
Speaker 4: you're not allowed to kill during certain times of the
Speaker 4: season are skunks. Skunks will be burrowing right now pretty
Speaker 4: soon here in the spring under decks, under little areas,
Speaker 4: underneath patios and stuff, and make them babies. If you
Speaker 4: see the skunks go in, you better call a professional.
Speaker 4: Because number one, I had this situation where I was
Speaker 4: lifting a house in the spring and she had skunks
Speaker 4: under her patio and a mama skunk would go in
Speaker 4: there and was having babies. Well, the people that take
Speaker 4: care of that sort of thing, they said, oh, we
Speaker 4: can't get rid of them now. The babies are going
Speaker 4: to have to come out on their own, or we
Speaker 4: can trap. We can put a little trap in the
Speaker 4: front of them. We can trap them, but we can't
Speaker 4: kill the baby stumps. Plus, it could be a smelly disaster.
Speaker 4: If you're going to sell your house and you got.
Speaker 2: All over the place. Yeah, that's that's kind of naster.
Speaker 2: It's like Canada geese, same thing. You can't. You can't
Speaker 2: mess with those things.
Speaker 4: You can't kill them, you can't LANs with them. But anyway,
Speaker 4: so you want to get a call of professional either
Speaker 4: some wildlife removal. Stealing those entry points around the house
Speaker 4: is so very important, and some animals are going to
Speaker 4: try to get in anyway because if they've nested in
Speaker 4: there for a couple of years, Okay, if you steal
Speaker 4: one hole, maybe they're going to make another hole. And
Speaker 4: birds are the same way. If you have a nest
Speaker 4: of birds in your attic and you think it's not
Speaker 4: a big deal, I'll get rid of the birds, they'll
Speaker 4: steal them in, they'll it'll be fine. Well it's not
Speaker 4: fine because again those nests are contaminated. They could carry
Speaker 4: diseases like samonilla if your insulation is matted, and then
Speaker 4: you're not going to find out about it until you
Speaker 4: sell your house and an inspector goes into your attic
Speaker 4: and sees the mess that is left behind, and you're
Speaker 4: going to have to remediate it one one way or another.
Speaker 4: So the best way, before it costs you seventeen thousand
Speaker 4: dollars or however many thousands of dollars, you should really
Speaker 4: take care of it as soon as you see it.
Speaker 4: The other prevention tips for sure is trim the tree branches,
Speaker 4: because I actually I watched a squirrel at my neighbor's
Speaker 4: house climb up the tree climb I'm watching a lot
Speaker 4: of nature's.
Speaker 2: Well, you are nosy as hell.
Speaker 4: No, they climb the tree, climbed on the branch, onto
Speaker 4: the roof, and then with screening on the roo I
Speaker 4: don't know where he was going from there. I love it.
Speaker 2: Can I just point out I love the amount is
Speaker 2: I'm so busy. It's like you have time to sit
Speaker 2: and watch our neighbors squirrel go in and out of
Speaker 2: their house. I have had the piece since the third grade.
Speaker 2: That's how my day is. You seemingly have all the
Speaker 2: time in the world. God bless you. That's why your
Speaker 2: blood pressure is much lower than mine.
Speaker 4: No, I just take a moment to watch the squirrel.
Speaker 2: Apparently I don't know a squirrel. Go huh, not my problem. Next,
Speaker 2: I got other stuff I gotta worry about. I gotta
Speaker 2: worry about my squirrels, not their squirrel.
Speaker 4: I gotta worry about squirrel.
Speaker 2: By the way, if you go I think there's a squirrel. Okay,
Speaker 2: So a mouse sounds like a squirrel. A squirrel sounds
Speaker 2: like I don't a raccoon. A raccoon sounds like a
Speaker 2: herd of elephants. Just it's it magnifies the sound. Little
Speaker 2: scratching sounds like that. I think there's a squirrel. It's
Speaker 2: probably a mouse. You will know if there's if there's
Speaker 2: raccoons running around in your attic, you will know because
Speaker 2: it's gonna sound like you heard of elephants up there.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be super super loud. So yeah, the is
Speaker 2: always amplified. But yeah, I know pretty quiet, I.
Speaker 5: Can hear that.
Speaker 4: You're gonna hear that.
Speaker 2: Do you know how big that bad is?
Speaker 4: I know how big that?
Speaker 1: It is?
Speaker 4: Like the size of your hand.
Speaker 2: Right, No, it's about the size of I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's about the size of a mouse.
Speaker 4: Actually, except that I don't know what kind of beat
Speaker 4: I used to watch that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm starting to think that maybe we don't have mice.
Speaker 2: Maybe my wife is just nuts. Don't they have like
Speaker 2: a hospital for you people like some sort of I
Speaker 2: don't know, treatment and impatient.
Speaker 4: Don't I have something for you.
Speaker 2: Gets you some meds. It'll be okay. My wife Michelle
Speaker 2: Sloan's Loan sells homes dot Com Up in House. If
Speaker 2: you think the segment's dumb, listen to the podcast, go
Speaker 2: check out the YouTube.
Speaker 4: I've got so much more information. A squirrel can fist
Speaker 4: true with less than a few inches little spot.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that's how big a banana is. See,
Speaker 2: maybe it's a squirrel we have in the kitchen.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, could you imagine?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 2: The dog would go nuts if we had a squirrel.
Speaker 2: The dog would definitely lose his mind. He didn't care
Speaker 2: about birds. He ain't gonna care about a mouse, But
Speaker 2: a squirrel. He only deals with the bigger critters. That's funny.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, it's a little too small for me
Speaker 2: to deal with the big ones because I'm a tiny
Speaker 2: I'm a smaller dog. I'm gonna go after a deer.
Speaker 2: He'll lose his mind. But a mouse, I don't have
Speaker 2: that coin. I don't have that kind of patience. What
Speaker 2: am I? If they're too fast, birds, they fly away,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna sleep some more. But a deer, maybe
Speaker 2: the deer is eating. The deer's unlocking the door. Banbies
Speaker 2: coming and eating the bananas. Maybe that's what it. Maybe
Speaker 2: we're missing the whole thing. We got a problem, we
Speaker 2: got problems. We got problems. All right, Well today I
Speaker 2: sure so, so two, three or four would be amazing.
Speaker 2: Then back home against the angels in there in first
Speaker 2: place right now, and all is right with the world.
Speaker 2: We're enjoying this here, we're enjoying this all right. My
Speaker 2: wife Sloan sells homes dot com Open House show. That's
Speaker 2: on the iHeart radio app, the in the podcast and
Speaker 2: of course the YouTube channel as well. She's on the
Speaker 2: main villa Remax time. All right, love, you go go
Speaker 2: guard the produce with a gun.
Speaker 4: No, gosh, you don't really want me to have a gun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably true. And now how did that? How
Speaker 2: did that? How did that anvelope get in your house? Well,
Speaker 2: my wife took the shotgun and now there's a hole
Speaker 2: in the side of the house. It's pretty good, all right.
Speaker 2: Don't don't kill anything, don't kill yourself. Just be careful, okay,
Speaker 2: And for God's sake, get get more meds. All right.
Speaker 2: We got to get a news update in As she mentioned,
Speaker 2: we have Reds baseball on the way shortly here on
Speaker 2: seven hundred W that's on eleven o'clock. Inside pitch, we
Speaker 2: go from this nonsense to Chris n iheist from vigil
Speaker 2: and cybersecurity here in Cincinnati. Iran is already inside our infrastructure.
Speaker 2: You may not know that, but yeah, we're talking water,
Speaker 2: we're talking electrical and there's a new vulnerability to the
Speaker 2: point where the government two agencies, including the FBI, have
Speaker 2: joined up and said we got to watch out because
Speaker 2: they could turn off our water supply, our electric grid.
Speaker 2: Maybe not all at the same time, but it certainly
Speaker 2: is a concern. As now the ceasefire the piece lasted
Speaker 2: about fourteen minutes, and so this is the most vulnerable
Speaker 2: we are. It's our digital infrastructure got to worry about.
Speaker 2: He'll set the sea next right afternoons home of the
Speaker 2: Red seven hundred wwds. Since now we don't want.
Speaker 1: To be an American Scott's Long Show, seven hundred wlw
Speaker 1: reds baseball about an hour, we have Iranian hackers inside
Speaker 1: America's water systems, in our power grid.
Speaker 2: Than that, everything's great, everything's fine. The shortest ceasefire in
Speaker 2: the history of war happening as well, and now the
Speaker 2: Iranian's gone, Well, you know what you're gonna come after
Speaker 2: our infrastructure. We're gonna come after your digital infrastructure, and
Speaker 2: they are. In some cases this is really really frightening,
Speaker 2: but in some cases we're talking shutdowns. We also have
Speaker 2: AI involved in this whole thing, and a new cybersecurity
Speaker 2: warning just issued by the federal government on that. Chris
Speaker 2: niheis he's the CEO of Cincinnati based Vision Cybersecurity t RIS. Welcome,
Speaker 2: Thank you, Scott. It's getting fun. Huh yeah. I know
Speaker 2: you are the busiest guy in the room, so I
Speaker 2: appreciate you taking time out here. It's pretty scary because
Speaker 2: Iranian affiliated hackers are targeting what's called our Internet facing
Speaker 2: pc at PLCs, the industrial control devices. Explain what those
Speaker 2: are and why they're vulnerable.
Speaker 6: So POP is basically, it's a it's a controller that
Speaker 6: controls water systems that can control the chemicals that get
Speaker 6: put into the water. Many of these weren't connected to
Speaker 6: the Internet years ago. They were behind firewalls things like that.
Speaker 6: But with the need for remote work, the need to
Speaker 6: connect to these and even do external monitoring, a lot
Speaker 6: of these systems we're connected directly to the Internet. So
Speaker 6: we're not talking about control systems that are necessarily behind
Speaker 6: or in some case it is. But inside of water
Speaker 6: systems internal network, a lot of what we've been seeing
Speaker 6: over last week get attacked are the ones that are
Speaker 6: actually connected directly to the Internet. But with these system too,
Speaker 6: it allows to monitor or control the operations at a
Speaker 6: water system, plant or an electrical system.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Intelligent Agent now are are warning private sector
Speaker 2: companies nationwide that these Iranian cybercriminals are actually hitting infrastructure
Speaker 2: as we speak. The obvious concern to be water contaminants,
Speaker 2: damage to equipment, and then what happens is public trust eroods.
Speaker 2: I mean you, as we've talked about before you turn
Speaker 2: off the water supply or taint the water supply. Literally,
Speaker 2: everyone's going to start flipping out. You thought it was
Speaker 2: bad with I don't know if Twitter's down for five minutes,
Speaker 2: Holy crap. Imagine the water supply being in question right now.
Speaker 2: They said this in retaliation for our efforts. Of course,
Speaker 2: there one major concern is that certainly it's not just
Speaker 2: a RAM, but China and Russia may already have back
Speaker 2: doors like trojan horses, and now we're hitting on our infrastructure.
Speaker 2: Do you think that's happening. I think it's happening.
Speaker 6: What I don't think is happening right now is I
Speaker 6: don't think that China Russia attacking us directly. I think
Speaker 6: they're attacking us in directly. They've been doing that for years.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: With these water systems, there there's two there's there's a
Speaker 6: concern of shutting.
Speaker 2: The water off.
Speaker 6: Contaminating the water is the is the scary part because
Speaker 6: if you can adjust the chemical uh you know, the
Speaker 6: chemical makeup of the water, you know, the chlorine things
Speaker 6: like that, it can get into the water system and
Speaker 6: then you got to plush that out before you can
Speaker 6: use it. So it's not just as much as just
Speaker 6: turning it back on. Now with China and Russia, you know,
Speaker 6: for them to attack us directly in our water systems,
Speaker 6: you know, it would be it would be a direct
Speaker 6: after war, and I think there would be a lot
Speaker 6: more escalation to that. So I think for them it's
Speaker 6: just us we attack indirectly, still attacking, but indirectly. And
Speaker 6: I think what they're doing in some cases this applying
Speaker 6: to support to a RAN to be able to do
Speaker 6: these things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the hackers weren't just breaking and they were manipulating
Speaker 2: what operators see on their screens.
Speaker 6: How does that change a danger long? Right, A pretty
Speaker 6: big time, because what can happen is you can make
Speaker 6: the operator. It's you know in movies, you know, you
Speaker 6: pop up on a video system, different feed and then
Speaker 6: the security guard doesn't see you walking through. Right, it's
Speaker 6: the same thing, you know, it's where you know no
Speaker 6: one even sees what you're doing on the screen, or
Speaker 6: no one sees what you're actually manipulating. And that's that's
Speaker 6: a pretty high level attack.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 6: I one of my early career roles was working at
Speaker 6: a food storage facility.
Speaker 2: It's refrigerated.
Speaker 6: These were all over the United States and inside those
Speaker 6: systems back then. They're not connected to the trajectly to
Speaker 6: the air anymore, but at least hopefully these organizations are
Speaker 6: doing that. But they were basically to create fast freezings
Speaker 6: and fast refrigeration. You'd have ammonia control systems that get
Speaker 6: compressed onia. And these systems all had windows ninety five
Speaker 6: machines connected up to them. They're fifteen twenty million dollars
Speaker 6: systems and they don't get replaced very often.
Speaker 2: But it's the same kind of deal with that.
Speaker 6: You know, you can control these industrial systems to release
Speaker 6: pneumonia or to uh, you know, compressed somethings. So it explodes, right,
Speaker 6: you know, it's pretty crazy, and.
Speaker 2: You think of all the well chemical plants, but the
Speaker 2: things that you've described here in the Try State, and
Speaker 2: it sends chills down your spine, literally does Chris niheis
Speaker 2: with Vigilance Cybersecurities a CEO here in Cincinnati, and uh,
Speaker 2: an extremely alarming thing just happened here. It's size and
Speaker 2: the FBI put out a joint advisory warning that Iraan
Speaker 2: hackers already in our infrastructure systems via water, electrical, and
Speaker 2: the like. And that to me, that those two agencies
Speaker 2: are combined issuing this, it tells me it's a very
Speaker 2: serious threat. But also it tells me that we're seeing
Speaker 2: might be seeing one now right, I did so.
Speaker 6: And you know, these are not recent events in some ways,
Speaker 6: like the actions are, the outcomes are. But you know,
Speaker 6: the hackers have been inside our critical infrastructure for years,
Speaker 6: you know. They they come in one of the ways.
Speaker 6: You know, if you have a ransomware attack at your organization,
Speaker 6: what I always ask people is, well, what do you
Speaker 6: have because the ransomware attack usually is a diversion so
Speaker 6: that they can embed themselves for long term into your organization.
Speaker 6: So I'm always asking like, what's the next thing, right,
Speaker 6: not just how do we deal with this ransomware attack?
Speaker 6: And what you If you look back over the news
Speaker 6: the last couple of years, you saw a lot of
Speaker 6: ransomare attacks against water systems. Well, I believe that those
Speaker 6: were just moments to embed. So I do think that
Speaker 6: we're seeing you know, we are definitely seeing those attacks
Speaker 6: happen right now. I think there's some escalation to it
Speaker 6: because you know, you and I spoke a couple of
Speaker 6: weeks ago about how open source software was getting attacked
Speaker 6: a lot of the developers, so that we're getting attacked. Well,
Speaker 6: a week later on Sunday night, and I had actually
Speaker 6: reached out to this company earlier that day because you know,
Speaker 6: we've talked about some of the research that we're doing,
Speaker 6: and we reached out to them and said, hey, we think
Speaker 6: you're a target. Here's some things you need to fix. Well,
Speaker 6: it tends already that night they got attacked. That was
Speaker 6: the Axios system attack and basically in that attack, it
Speaker 6: affected over one hundred million systems, could be more, we
Speaker 6: don't know for sure, but what they did in that
Speaker 6: attack was a dumped credentials for everything on those systems,
Speaker 6: and they embedded remote trojans, which are basically backdoors into systems.
Speaker 2: So there are.
Speaker 6: A ton of you know, systems out there that have
Speaker 6: these remote access systems in it. Now here's where the
Speaker 6: crazy part about it is is that Axios delivers what's
Speaker 6: called JavaScript. JavaScript runs on every device. We have your
Speaker 6: phones or cars, everything, So anything running Actios, which is
Speaker 6: basically everything during that timeframe and if it updated, it
Speaker 6: would have gotten this remote access trojan. So these systems,
Speaker 6: you know, any any system if it you know, computer
Speaker 6: or whatever, you know, a at a industrial system or
Speaker 6: anywhere anywhere that was running at the time could have
Speaker 6: potentially gotten a remotacsis trojan on it. And that's where
Speaker 6: some of these escallations can happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think the other layer to this thing too,
Speaker 2: and you're talking to the plc's the programming logic controllers,
Speaker 2: which is in kind of between the Internet and the action,
Speaker 2: you know, like a switch basically Internet control switch. Rockwell
Speaker 2: and Allen Bradley devices and they use in this case,
Speaker 2: the Iranians use Rockwell's own software to gain access. So
Speaker 2: if you're using their own software, not some sort of
Speaker 2: your malware, but you actually penetrated their own software. It
Speaker 2: looks to the systems to be legitimate. How does that
Speaker 2: tool then become the attack angle that' seem going to
Speaker 2: be harder to spot?
Speaker 6: It is because you know, the you know, just back
Speaker 6: to the same attack we've been talking about. You know,
Speaker 6: with the supply chain, if you can get access to
Speaker 6: the actual codebase, or you can get access to parts
Speaker 6: of that code base, you can put code in it
Speaker 6: and no one would ever know unless they're specifically looking
Speaker 6: for it.
Speaker 2: Now there's you can do.
Speaker 6: You know, developers will do differentials and things that to
Speaker 6: look for stuff, you know, along the way, but for
Speaker 6: the majority of time it's not something that they're just
Speaker 6: looking for. So one thing that also happened, and this
Speaker 6: is where software is really important and disclosing it to
Speaker 6: still got attacked during the supply chain attack a few
Speaker 6: weeks ago, and all of their source code for their firewalls,
Speaker 6: routers and everything else or are stolen. And so when
Speaker 6: you when you apply that to what's happened with rockwell,
Speaker 6: for instance, if the attackers got access to Rockable software,
Speaker 6: which is they could either attack directly, or they could
Speaker 6: just get a device and reverse engineer it because you
Speaker 6: could buy these on the internet, you know, and so
Speaker 6: you can reverse engineer it. Once you understand how the
Speaker 6: software works, you can find holes in the software code
Speaker 6: can then manipulate, or you can find triggers and so
Speaker 6: it's you know, the first defense of cybersecurity is just
Speaker 6: make sure people can't connect to the system. Right once
Speaker 6: they can connect to the system, there's a myriad of
Speaker 6: vulnerability that can happen, you know, depend on what access
Speaker 6: you up.
Speaker 2: Chris and I is our cybersecurity expert, the CEO of
Speaker 2: a vigilant based out of Cincinnati, and the government with
Speaker 2: a couple agencies warning about Iranian cyber attach Specifically, the
Speaker 2: power and water systems in America that we depend on
Speaker 2: every day behind the scenes are not only in jeopardy,
Speaker 2: but they've been compromised. We don't know where, we don't
Speaker 2: want when, we don't know how, And that's the scary part.
Speaker 2: Do you foresee some sort of dystopian act by the
Speaker 2: Iranians or their proxies that basically, for lack of a
Speaker 2: better term, couple of keystrokes and our whole water system
Speaker 2: or power grid goes down or are these bit more
Speaker 2: isolated pop up kind of issues. What's the extreme example
Speaker 2: you can cite.
Speaker 6: I think it depends on how desperate they get and
Speaker 6: how pushed back into a corner they feel. You know,
Speaker 6: the I would say trad you know, historically if you
Speaker 6: look at what you hear being said out loud is
Speaker 6: more I would call saber rattling, you know, and where
Speaker 6: you know it's it's hey, I need to stay based
Speaker 6: externally and then you know, on the back end there's negotiations.
Speaker 6: So if the negotiations and things like that fall through,
Speaker 6: I think that you would see more of a retaliatory
Speaker 6: or desperate aspect aspect.
Speaker 2: You know, you know, to their response big how big
Speaker 2: of it would be.
Speaker 6: It could be I mean, our whole grid could be
Speaker 6: shut you know, power could be shut down, water could
Speaker 6: be contaminated within minutes.
Speaker 2: And that's a possibility that could really that in real time.
Speaker 2: Because that's not like some sort of Stephen King novel.
Speaker 2: This is real. Yeah, that's really that's real.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 6: What stops that from happening, right is is controlled power. Right,
Speaker 6: So if if you know nations nations to nations being
Speaker 6: strong looking strong, having retaliatory action has always been a deterrent,
Speaker 6: right and and so that is really the line, right
Speaker 6: making sure that we are you know, looking as a
Speaker 6: as a as a nation strong, making sure that standing
Speaker 6: up for what we need to do to protect ourselves,
Speaker 6: that's the line, because if those things start to take place,
Speaker 6: say if someone takes our power grid down, it's it's
Speaker 6: go time, right like right, it's war time.
Speaker 2: Right right, Chris. I'll save the worst for last. So
Speaker 2: we all know of AI bots. We got AI out there.
Speaker 2: We're talking about deep pake, fake porn and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Anthropic which is Claude. You know, see the commercials for Claude.
Speaker 2: It's a great tool. There's something called Claude Mythos preview
Speaker 2: and Claude methos basically is what's setting the AI world
Speaker 2: on fire right now. It's an AI model, a new one.
Speaker 2: They haven't rolled it out publicly yet, but it's so
Speaker 2: dangerous that it would cause a wave of hacks and
Speaker 2: tearror attacks because in their own analysis, Anthropics said mythos,
Speaker 2: if it fell into the wrong hands Iranians, they could
Speaker 2: easily take critical infrastructure like we're talking about, and that
Speaker 2: would be hospitals, grids, be it water, be it electric,
Speaker 2: and essentially right its own, they find the AI, finds
Speaker 2: the vulnerable and then basically blows itself up. That's what's
Speaker 2: going on here that the computer winds up saying, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can exploit this code, this code and write the
Speaker 2: code and destroy its health. Right, that's where we are
Speaker 2: right now. So you know, if it falls in the
Speaker 2: wrong hands, that's the concern. How likely is that falling
Speaker 2: in the wrong hands, because if we're talking about it, it
Speaker 2: is already happening, isn't it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think that's that's where you know the
Speaker 6: in my opinion, right and from what I've been seeing
Speaker 6: research wise, I think that's why we need to take
Speaker 6: this this open source software attack in attacks so uh
Speaker 6: so critical or just so top of mind, because everything
Speaker 6: that we have is written on code, right everything, And
Speaker 6: if you can control the compilers, if you can control
Speaker 6: we're embod software into the various systems to get updated,
Speaker 6: for instance, a security update, right happens. Nobody stops putting
Speaker 6: security updates in. So if I'm if I'm a hacker
Speaker 6: and I embed now we're into a security you're going
Speaker 6: to deploy it really really fast and get get in
Speaker 6: something else. It's not so the getting access to the code,
Speaker 6: I don't think is an impossible thing to even think about.
Speaker 6: And in some ways it may even be leaked who knows,
Speaker 6: you know. And and just by the very fact that
Speaker 6: I'm talking about it, anthropic is going to be a
Speaker 6: big target for nation states to go after this technology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just wonder, you know, the behavioral concerns about
Speaker 2: this whole thing that the model and Task attempted to
Speaker 2: conceal forbidden actions where they would find an exploit to
Speaker 2: edit files and lack of permission for and made it
Speaker 2: look okay. And that's frightening in the long hands, namely
Speaker 2: the iranements. So our threat level has gone up a
Speaker 2: little bit, I would say, in the last seventy two hours.
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, it's barrenly, you know, it's barely. And then
Speaker 6: I think we're not as a nation. The organizations that
Speaker 6: make up you know, all the businesses that we all
Speaker 6: work for, they are not ready, you know, to deal
Speaker 6: with a lot of things that are coming. And we
Speaker 6: see that in the news every single day. And you know,
Speaker 6: we've been the industry, I've been sinistories, a lot of
Speaker 6: cybersecurity out there doesn't really work, and it's really a
Speaker 6: lot a lot of it's behind. And so when you
Speaker 6: have these things that are barely forward at what feels
Speaker 6: like the speed a light starting to overwhelm the system
Speaker 6: that's there, and defensive AI is going to be is
Speaker 6: always going to be behind offensive a high because offensive
Speaker 6: AI has the time to learn and create its attack
Speaker 6: where its defensive has to do it on a dime
Speaker 6: in real time. And yeah, in real time, and it's
Speaker 6: not always dis affected that way.
Speaker 2: Chris and I heis. He's the CEO of Cincinnati based
Speaker 2: Vigilant Cybersecurity. He's on top of it and we'll continue
Speaker 2: to follow it. And that's a concern, is not a well.
Speaker 2: I mean, we always look at a brick and mortar
Speaker 2: attack for sure on our infrastructure buildings, but the digital
Speaker 2: one is happening as we speak. Our water are electric
Speaker 2: and it's very vulnerable. Chris, thanks again for the insight, man.
Speaker 2: Pleasure than there you go. News on the way in
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Speaker 2: you can find it at dine Well Doc. And your
Speaker 2: gut may be We heard about gut health. You heard
Speaker 2: all about all the time and protecting your brain, but
Speaker 2: there's new research on what you eat in the bacteria,
Speaker 2: the good backteria living inside of you and it might
Speaker 2: be the key to unlocking Alzheimer's and Sonjay's and study
Speaker 2: this morning. Welcome, How are you been, Bud?
Speaker 7: Been good?
Speaker 5: Son?
Speaker 7: How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm doing good? Before we get into that, I wanted
Speaker 2: to bring this story up because this is real life stuff.
Speaker 2: So the news broke a couple of days ago. This
Speaker 2: woman her name is Rachel Tussey, and this tussy goes
Speaker 2: to a Cincinnati plastic surgeon, goes and has a mom
Speaker 2: tummy tuck being done. And I had no idea these
Speaker 2: things are nine hours long. But nine hour surgery. Everything
Speaker 2: went well, minimal blood loss. Two nurses administered fentanyl and
Speaker 2: delauded and the doctor. So those are the nurses and
Speaker 2: the antestition ands caesiologists. But the doctor had a press conference,
Speaker 2: doctor Torque, and said it caused a fatal overdose. And
Speaker 2: so this is a huge loss. It made news yesterday.
Speaker 2: I guess the takeaway from this thing is no worry
Speaker 2: you stand on. Plastic surgery and procedures like that is
Speaker 2: one thing, but is it patient? Are there warning signs
Speaker 2: and something like that can happen. It's just kind of
Speaker 2: luck of the draw.
Speaker 7: I think this is the hard part. So on, like
Speaker 7: there are accusations and everything, but we don't know all
Speaker 7: of the facts and we may never you know, at
Speaker 7: the end of the day. We all react differently to
Speaker 7: some degree, to different medications and different dose of medications.
Speaker 7: So yeah, there's always a risk you're taking. And any
Speaker 7: time you go under the knife, anytime you receive general
Speaker 7: anesthesia or even medications in general, you're taking a risk.
Speaker 7: And so I think the big thing here is that
Speaker 7: you know, we can do one we can do everything right,
Speaker 7: and things can still go wrong or you know, could
Speaker 7: something have gone wrong that could have been prevented, And
Speaker 7: that's what that's what, you know, it's not just the
Speaker 7: legal system but also the medical system to look into
Speaker 7: to make sure that this doesn't happen again.
Speaker 2: If this was preventable? Is this unusual? And that the
Speaker 2: physician is the one having the press conference and pressing
Speaker 2: the church.
Speaker 7: I was surprised, but at the same time, you know,
Speaker 7: and I feel for the Tussy family and it's tragical
Speaker 7: when the story broke. Being a physician too, I was like,
Speaker 7: oh this this, I mean, I know, he's a public profile.
Speaker 7: I mean, he's a very public profile, and to you know,
Speaker 7: have your name in the news like that is never
Speaker 7: anything any of us want to have. And so I
Speaker 7: kind of feel for all parties right now, but certainly
Speaker 7: for the Tussy family and you know, whatever doctor Torg
Speaker 7: is going through and that facility. You know, we at
Speaker 7: the same time we want to be compassionate, we also
Speaker 7: have to find the reason for problems and make sure
Speaker 7: again that we can fix them so that they don't
Speaker 7: happen again to another.
Speaker 2: Inassi, he said. Doctor Torre said, well, it was the
Speaker 2: nurses because they waited four minutes after telling him that
Speaker 2: nine one one had been called. Everything was fined up
Speaker 2: to that point. They gave her one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: micrograms of fetanyl and half a milligramma. Delauded. Does that
Speaker 2: jump out at you as like the wrong combo.
Speaker 7: Or you know, whenever medications are stacked there can be
Speaker 7: a problem. That is, you know what in what time
Speaker 7: frame were those times?
Speaker 2: Right? So many unknowns? Is a patient you ever know?
Speaker 2: That's the thing. And the stake cleared the nurses too,
Speaker 2: The pharmacological board said there's nothing to see here.
Speaker 7: So yeah, there's a Again there's a lot of unknowns.
Speaker 7: And then you know, there's always three versions of the
Speaker 7: truth and the stories, you know, and at the end
Speaker 7: of the.
Speaker 2: Days they take away. What's a takeaway for a listener,
Speaker 2: It's like bad things can happen, is.
Speaker 7: That one bad thing can happen, but that just kind
Speaker 7: of leaves a lot up to chance. I think there's
Speaker 7: one thing I've I've you know, I didn't. I've heard
Speaker 7: of doctor Torque before, but I've read a lot since,
Speaker 7: and you know, he's an excellent surgeon and his patients
Speaker 7: love him, and so technically he seems like a great person.
Speaker 7: Bedside manner seems great. And then you know, but you
Speaker 7: also have to think about where this is happening. And
Speaker 7: this was another clinic, and and there I'm not saying
Speaker 7: anything about the clinic. I don't know anything about that place.
Speaker 7: But you know, you have to research not just the
Speaker 7: person doing the surgery, but where you're doing it too,
Speaker 7: And so maybe that's that's something, is that there are
Speaker 7: multiple layers of If you're looking for the very best,
Speaker 7: which we all are for ourselves, look deeper than just
Speaker 7: the single person.
Speaker 2: Should we be averse to having anything done in an
Speaker 2: outpatient surgery center as opposed to a hospital, I want
Speaker 2: to say adverse.
Speaker 7: I think some you know, hospital stuff comes with certain
Speaker 7: things too, and so there's probably more infections, but I
Speaker 7: don't have to data to back it up. Yeah, well
Speaker 7: there you go. And so you know, it's it's weighing
Speaker 7: pros and cons. Again, no surgery is one hundred percent safe, uh,
Speaker 7: and so it is taking that into account and and
Speaker 7: just know that you know, there's good justification for lots
Speaker 7: of surgeries, but also always weighed against the potential stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think for me from my perspective marketing is that
Speaker 2: you know, you see these these ads and it could
Speaker 2: be on TV, could be streaming, could be on social media.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh my god, look at the before and
Speaker 2: after and I just went in and took and I
Speaker 2: there's a lot more to it. Because they are administering drugs.
Speaker 2: You are technically they're managing your death basically, you are,
Speaker 2: you're borderline dye right when they when you go under,
Speaker 2: it's you know, they're they're managing a coma basically, and
Speaker 2: so they can do this procedure. So you got to
Speaker 2: ask yourself, is it the results? Is it worth it? Yeah?
Speaker 7: And you know it's and it is hard to know,
Speaker 7: especially when you're playing, quote playing with numbers. You know,
Speaker 7: if there's a two percent chance of something, is that
Speaker 7: worth it? And it's a harder thing when you haven't
Speaker 7: gone through it yet. So but just you know, be
Speaker 7: aware that no surgery is completely safe, yeah, exactly, or
Speaker 7: any medicine for that matter. There's baby aspirin, there's a
Speaker 7: risk with that as well. He is a resident physician here.
Speaker 7: Sanja Shaefer Kamani our health and fitness guy. And the
Speaker 7: reason we're're my main topic today, of course, is that
Speaker 7: is watching what you you hear about probiotics. And we
Speaker 7: know about antibiotics, but probiotics, probiotics, all these things, and
Speaker 7: now we're learning there's a link between that and the
Speaker 7: war on Alzheimer's. And this has to do with a
Speaker 7: review of a bunch of clinical trials that targeting gut
Speaker 7: bacteria may slow that cognitive decline in dementia progression, which
Speaker 7: is amazing. So in plain terms, it's called gut brain axis.
Speaker 7: I don't know what that means. Explain it to me
Speaker 7: because I'm stupid. Yeah, it sounds well. Before we even
Speaker 7: go further, I just want to send a big happy
Speaker 7: birthday to my fiance Megan. Oh so, yeah, we've we've
Speaker 7: already celebrated a little bit. We'll celebrate b Yeah. Well, hey, easy,
Speaker 7: I want to.
Speaker 2: All right, I don't want to know. I don't care,
Speaker 2: get your you know, keep your freak freaking that's all
Speaker 2: that's right. I don't know what you're thinking, but I
Speaker 2: heard what you said, So anyway, let's talk about gut
Speaker 2: brain health here.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so gut brain health, this is all originates kind
Speaker 7: of in the gut and where our health comes from
Speaker 7: as a result of that. All right, And so you know,
Speaker 7: if you started bringing up this topic ten years ago,
Speaker 7: everyone thought you were crazy. There's been a ton of
Speaker 7: research done in this, and there's a lot of stuff
Speaker 7: to back up these ideas.
Speaker 2: And so the idea is.
Speaker 7: You have a microbiome or a bunch of bacteria, fungi, viruses,
Speaker 7: other quote pathogens, little things living in your gut that
Speaker 7: do a lot. And so you know, back in the day,
Speaker 7: it was okay, eat your fiber, so you stay regular.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 7: Fiber has its purpose, It bulks us up and it
Speaker 7: knows on its way. But what we're finding is that
Speaker 7: fiber or things that contain fiber actually feed the bacteria
Speaker 7: in your gut, and those bacteria, as a result, makes
Speaker 7: stuff that helps us feel better. And that's where the
Speaker 7: whole gut brain axis comes from. So you'll break it down.
Speaker 7: So you have all these bacteria and other things that
Speaker 7: are living in your gut, you have and which which
Speaker 7: are your They don't call this but biotics. We can
Speaker 7: consider the biotics, and then you have the prebiotics, which
Speaker 7: is the food for them, So that's your fiber, that's
Speaker 7: stuff like anulin as well other things that you ingest
Speaker 7: that go to your gut, feed those those bacteria, which
Speaker 7: are healthy bacteria for the most part, and then they
Speaker 7: can make their post biotics, which is a true term,
Speaker 7: which is these short chain fatty acids for lack of
Speaker 7: a better term, these little things, including the most famous
Speaker 7: one is buteriate. And those also not just help the
Speaker 7: health of your gut and keep your gut healthy and
Speaker 7: decrease inflammation in your gut and decrease the chance of
Speaker 7: colon cancer, but they leak or they go outside of
Speaker 7: your gut and affect other things, including your nerves, which
Speaker 7: our thought to also help your your brain.
Speaker 2: Interesting and everyone's Is it like a fingerprint? Do we
Speaker 2: all have different maybe the same bacteria, but the profilefere
Speaker 2: to take some of that out of your stomach and
Speaker 2: your call and look at it. Go, Okay, you're different
Speaker 2: than the person standing next to you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we all have different basically microbiomes. So all of
Speaker 7: the bacteria in a gut, different percentages, different types. There's
Speaker 7: thousands of different bacteria bacteria type. I mean, we're talking
Speaker 7: on the verge of trillions of bacteria, but thousands of
Speaker 7: types within each of us. And it is exactly like
Speaker 7: you just said, a fingerprint of different combinations and different amounts,
Speaker 7: and depending on what you're eating, depending on what you're
Speaker 7: exposed to on the daily basis, it will change.
Speaker 2: Okay, So how do we know what the optimal amount
Speaker 2: or optimal bacterium is for that gut? How do you
Speaker 2: do that? How do you find out?
Speaker 7: That's the tough part because the truth is we're all different,
Speaker 7: and so what do you give to your different fingerprint?
Speaker 7: And that's thing that we all have to find out
Speaker 7: for ourselves. So that's why some of us will bloat
Speaker 7: with certain foods and some of us can. There are
Speaker 7: you know, overall there's like you'll hear lack of basillis,
Speaker 7: which is a certain type of bacteria, but there's like
Speaker 7: one hundred types of lack of basillis and which is
Speaker 7: the right one that you want to be doing things
Speaker 7: in the gut? Which makes the probiotics that you buy
Speaker 7: and supplement form really tough because they'll choose a few
Speaker 7: strains here and there, and it's.
Speaker 2: What you don't know. Is there a test you can
Speaker 2: have done?
Speaker 7: Not that I know of, but I'm sure like your
Speaker 7: your gut can be tested. I mean we can look
Speaker 7: at the stool and figure it out, but I'm not
Speaker 7: sure that's commercially.
Speaker 2: Right now, yes, okay, all right, right now it's been
Speaker 2: uh the shaper Kamadi are eer doc physician and of
Speaker 2: course health guru here on the Scots launch a Thursday
Speaker 2: day mornings and they're talking about gut health, which is
Speaker 2: this whole new It really is this whole new frontier
Speaker 2: I think for medicine. Like you know, we kind of thought, hey,
Speaker 2: I got upset stomach, you take a drug or something
Speaker 2: that some pepto bismol and now it's like, well there's
Speaker 2: gonna be something all with your gut health. So we
Speaker 2: know about probo preobiotics, probiotics, post biotics now that you're
Speaker 2: talking about. But it's like, you know, okay, so are
Speaker 2: you talking to eat more yogurt?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Absolutely mean what that is?
Speaker 5: What it is?
Speaker 7: So uh you mentioned and I still don't know is
Speaker 7: it key phrase a kaffir, but you can.
Speaker 2: Think it's kind of like tart tasting and.
Speaker 7: Exactly and so what I like to do is think
Speaker 7: about So I like acronyms to keep things simple. But
Speaker 7: the three f's I think about when it comes to
Speaker 7: a healthy gut, which is fiber, it's fermented stuff, and
Speaker 7: then it's fitness.
Speaker 2: And we'll talk about all those.
Speaker 7: So you know, fermented stuff like you mentioned with kaffir uh,
Speaker 7: also kombucha, so this is another acronym. All the keys, kombucha,
Speaker 7: sour kraut, all of those can help with your and
Speaker 7: kimchi actually from the East, and so all those help
Speaker 7: with fermentation. They carry these natural extra bacteria that enter
Speaker 7: your gut and will help you digest. So you have
Speaker 7: the fermented foods that you can and should eat. In fact,
Speaker 7: there was a study based on that that that helped
Speaker 7: fermented food helped your brain function, and so eating those
Speaker 7: every day are helpful. Stuff like Greek yogurt which has
Speaker 7: oftentimes the live probiotics and kaffir and other yogurts. Just
Speaker 7: be careful of the the fake sugars or the real
Speaker 7: sugars that they're introduced into that with the flavors. And
Speaker 7: so that's the ferment part. We then have fiber, and
Speaker 7: most of us have heard of it, but here's the thing.
Speaker 7: Half Actually, we're getting about half the fiber we need
Speaker 7: a day. On average, only five percent of the US
Speaker 7: has the recommended daily amount of fiber in their diet.
Speaker 7: And this is huge because that is your food for
Speaker 7: your bacteria so that it can make the good stuff.
Speaker 7: So you're you're thinking about this as a whole you know,
Speaker 7: different organism living.
Speaker 2: Inside of you. It's almost like a pet.
Speaker 7: You got to take care of it. You just got
Speaker 7: to take some other well. Yeah, actually was a great
Speaker 7: source for you know, for that.
Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, so you can take and you can also
Speaker 2: take fiber supplements that that will help to you.
Speaker 7: You can and you know, I went I went to
Speaker 7: Costco the other day to look at the fiber content
Speaker 7: of hills and you have to take like five or
Speaker 7: six of these, right, and you get like two or
Speaker 7: three grams.
Speaker 2: So it's not a ton. Eating natural foods.
Speaker 7: In fact, lentils, beans, those are your main source for fibers.
Speaker 2: You want to get a lot of fun good to know,
Speaker 2: and there's a connection now to Alzheimer's doctor Sanjay Shavercamadi
Speaker 2: and studios, our health and fitness guy at Dinewell Doc.
Speaker 2: If you want to find out more for him. Thanks, Buddy,
Speaker 2: appreciate it. We got to get to a Red's roundup.
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