WEBVTT - The Big Outdoors -- 12/20/25 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:05.280 Home of the best Bengals coverage and those Cincinnati Reds. Danny, 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:09.280 good morning to you, sir. I really appreciate this. This 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:12.040 is a complex situation this morning, and we'll. 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:16.360 Have it all straight now. Alrighty, jumping right to it. 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:22.360 Got my issue of Ohio Autor News about it was 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.599 a couple issues ago, and they're in the story. Nearly 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:29.080 forty six million pounds of carp removed in Illinois. I 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:32.000 thought that was intriguing and that was the first half 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:36.280 of the year. So digging into it and tracking it down. 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:38.280 We have what. 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:45.160 Is known as the Invasive Carp Regional Coordinating Committee, and 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:49.920 I welcome Janet Lebson with the US Fish and Wildlife Service. 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:51.560 Janet, good morning, how are you? 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.520 Good morning, Chip, Thank you for inviting me to join 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:56.800 you and your listeners this morning. 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:59.480 Well, this is fantastic And in thirty one years I've 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:02.840 ever had anyone from the Fish and Wildlife Service, Shame 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:06.720 on me. But that is about to change drastically going 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:09.160 down the road, because there's a lot of other subject 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.720 matter out there to cover. Nonetheless, coming back to this, 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:16.400 this is a huge regional coordinating committee and I hadn't 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:21.199 I hadn't realized that this existed until my story came 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:25.240 in my Ohio Outdoor News. So you could give us 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:27.400 an overview, that'd be fantastic. 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.920 Sure, I'd be happy to And maybe I should start 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:36.280 by saying, the partnership that you're referring to is focused 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.600 on the Great Lakes region and keeping Karp out of 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:43.480 the Great Lakes, but there's a whole other partnership for 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:48.640 the Mississippi River basin that involves just as many partners. 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:53.560 In fact, altogether there are forty seven partners formally joined 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:59.320 up in partnership to manage the invasive carp situation. So 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.520 one reason I wanted you to have Brian also on 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:06.560 your show is because Brian is very much involved with 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:09.520 in leading in both of those partnerships. 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:11.280 So you get this the. 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:12.280 Whole big picture there. 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:14.920 That's exactly what we need, is the whole big picture, 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:17.239 because in twenty minutes, that's the hell of a picture 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:19.959 to paint for our listeners out there. Even though they're 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:22.120 all in the woods, are heading to the woods going 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:24.680 deer hunting or maybe duck hunting or something like that, 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:28.720 we're by the same token, we're anglers too, So we 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:33.200 appreciate and love our waterways that we use during the 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:34.040 balance of the year. 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:37.440 But what this covers what four species of carp? 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:41.560 Yes, there are four different kinds. When we use the 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.800 term and base of carp. There's a big head carp, 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:48.480 silver carp, grass carp, and black carp. And the kind 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:50.720 that most people tend to know about are the silver 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.480 carp because they notoriously leap out of the water when 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.400 they're disturbed by a boat. And I'm guessing a lot 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.959 of your listeners have seen the tons of YouTube video 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:03.960 there are on this and of course can be a 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.120 very big safety issue as. 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:10.839 But the coordinating groups, and there's a lot of them, 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:13.720 are they under the auspices of the US Fish and 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:15.560 Wildlife Service or you're just a partner. 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.520 We're a partner, and we have a leading role in 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:24.600 it because of the federal funding that's come into it. So, 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.959 for example, the Mississippi River Basin Partnership has been around 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:34.920 for a long time. The states came together to manage 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:38.760 fisheries better in general, and then the karp situation just 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.560 kept getting worse and worse, and so that became one 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:45.320 of their focus areas and so we have a role 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:47.880 in that one. But then the Great Lakes One started 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:51.360 in twenty ten when people started to get more and 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:53.440 more concerned that they were going to get into the 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:57.080 Great Lakes through the Chicago Area Waterway because of the 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:00.720 abundant population in the Illinois River where there's that access there. 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:06.360 So overall, where are we in the process of management? 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:09.160 I mean, that's really kind of a loaded question, But 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:12.560 are are we at a certain stage or a point 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:16.120 in time from I guess your perspective. 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.839 Yeah, let me give you a little perspective on that. 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:23.159 I think things have changed a lot over the last 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:28.680 fifteen years because of these partnerships coalescing and because of 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:34.440 the federal state collaboration on this and Congress providing more 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.120 funding so that we could do more, and what we're 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:41.480 doing to try to protect recreational fishing opportunities and native 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:45.839 fisheries and the communities that are relying on tourism and 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:49.760 other water recreation to help with that. What we're trying 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:54.360 to do is three main things. Even though the situation 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.960 with KARP is different in different parts of the Mississippi 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:02.120 River basin, there are three main we're doing. The first 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:06.559 one is targeted mass removal, getting massive amounts of fish 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:09.800 out of the water, and those efforts are led by 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:13.000 the States, and Brian can tell you all about that. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:14.480 I'll tell you what. 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:16.640 That is a great place for us to kind of 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.880 take a quick break. Then we when we come back, 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:23.320 we'll get the other I guess second and third portions 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:27.159 of that. And at the same time we'll get Brian 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.880 Schoening in here, who's the Aquatic News and Species program 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.800 manager out of the Illinois DNR. 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:35.320 So everybody sit tight. 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:38.560 This is tough on my end, even tougher on everybody 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:42.280 else's in my producer's going down seven hundred WLW Cincinnati, 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:46.760 Big Outdoors back in a moment. Hey, we're back the 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:50.359 Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WLW Cincinnati, home of 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.720 the best Bengals coverage in the Cincinnati. 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:56.080 Reds and much more. But we'll save that for later. 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:58.360 So Janet Lebson is with me, she's with the US 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:01.480 Fish and Wildlife Service, and Brian Schoening is joining us 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.760 with the Illinois d n R. We're talking about the 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:09.480 invasive carp programs on kind of the big world view 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:13.440 in the US, and Janet, we were kind of had 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:16.280 to go pay some bills catch that break and so 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:20.440 there's two other parts to the where we are at 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:21.599 this stage in time. 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:26.680 Yes, I was saying, targeted mass removal is one of 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.159 the main things we do to manage a base of CARP, 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:34.719 and developing deterrent technologies and barrier constructing barriers is the 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:38.280 second big thing we do. And the third thing is 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.720 widespread monitoring. And that's significant in the sense that it 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:45.279 informs the other two and it helps us prioritize where 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.560 to do the mass removal and what kind of technologies 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.800 we might need in different places, et cetera. And I 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:53.720 just wanted to mention since you do have a lot 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:59.359 of anglers listening, I hope they'll never underestimate how important 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:03.040 it is and they encounter invasive KLARP to let their 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:06.000 state DNR know and to if they can take a 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:10.239 moment to learn to accurately id the fish, because even 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:12.800 one person finding one in an area that we didn't 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:14.960 know about can really help with our prevention. 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.240 Well, and this neck of the woods at least, that 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.800 sims downy area, but you know beyond, but you've got 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:23.760 the Ohio River and there's a lot of people out 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:26.720 there fishing for sawguy right now, which will continue through 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:30.960 probably February of March. So you know, who knows what 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:34.240 what might turn up, and so I Jana Hope just 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:37.160 kind of hang on and listen in if you will. Brian, 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:40.000 let me bring you in with the Illinois DNR, because 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:44.960 I guess the referral to forty six million pounds of 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:48.720 clarp removed in Illinois in a half a year or 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:51.880 first half of twenty twenty five is this huge. 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:53.400 I mean, that's a lot of dogfit. 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:58.920 So that number is a cumulative number of the course 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:03.680 of the last several years. Typically, what we do as 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.520 far as removal on the Illinois River is about somewhere 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:10.200 between six and eight million pounds a year with our 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:16.400 commercial fishing incentive program, and then we have contracted fishers 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.120 in the upper part of the river that remove a 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:20.920 million million and a half a year. 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.520 So if we take those two numbers on. 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:27.560 An annual base, it's roughly about ten million pounds out 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:31.680 of the Illinois River. We also are engaged with Mississippi River. 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:33.680 Illinois is kind of unique and that we've got this 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.720 connection to the Great Lakes see the Illinois River, but 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:40.080 we also have a footprint in the Mississippi River and 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:43.199 the Ohio River. So we're involved with a whole host 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:47.080 of other partners working on removal programs. We're actually we 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:52.760 administer instead of programs for process or removal in Kentucky 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.439 and Barkley Lakes. Even so, we're working with Kentucky, We're 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:59.840 working with Indiana, we're working with Tennessee, with Missouri. This 0:08:59.920 --> 0:09:04.520 is a problem that needs to have a big vision 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.280 approach to it. No single state is going to be 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.320 able to really move the needle in a meaningful way. 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:15.200 It needs to be a collaborative effort across sub basins 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:19.880 and the entire Mississippi River basin to really have the 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:21.000 impact that we'd. 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:24.640 Like has there any I don't recall anything of this 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:28.360 magnitude in terms of a species of fish, at least 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.880 fish you know in my lifetime. 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:33.920 Is that accurate? 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:35.640 Yeah? 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:37.319 So the analog I guess would be. 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:39.199 Sea lamper in the Great Lakes. 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:39.439 Right. 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:44.120 These things came in in the fifties and started wreaking 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:48.160 havoc across and it required all of the Great Lake 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:52.720 states and provinces to come together and work on solutions. 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:57.960 And we're essentially re implementing that model with these particular 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.640 fish within the Mississippi River basin, and so we've always 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:05.680 had a collaborative work environment as it related to inner 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:09.760 jurisdictional fish within the Mississippi River micro which is miss 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:14.240 simeor State Cooperative Resource Association, has led that since the 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:19.040 early nineties. It's not official or you know, sort of 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:24.120 government sanctioned, but we are working towards that end as well. 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.320 With uh, we've got actually a couple of bills in 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:30.720 Congress for the establishment of a Mississippi River Basin Fisheries Commission, 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:35.559 which would you know, help to facilitate more of this 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:40.600 work and more alignment in programs and make sure that 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:44.920 we're implementing a unified collaborative approach across the basin. And 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.560 you know, that's really where we need to be. 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.439 Well that and it's a good point to kind of 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.920 hit a break because I've got quite a few questions. 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.880 Will never cover everything we need to in that five to. 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:00.240 Five thirty slot we're here sitting in for la last 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.240 thirty one years, but we're going to do our damned 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:06.960 chip Hart the Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WLW 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:10.560 Cincinnati will be back in a moment. Chip Haart, Gary 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:13.640 Jeff will be wandering in here at the bottom of 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:15.320 the hour and I'll let him talk to you about 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:16.800 the rest of the day because I got too much 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:17.640 to do this morning. 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:21.079 So Brian, Brian showing us with us. 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.960 He is the Aquatic Nuisance Program manager with the Illinois 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:31.920 DNR and part of this huge car coordinating committee or committees, 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:36.880 there's multiple committees. Have they acted, Brian, have any of 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.960 the species? Well, what do you what's the most concerning species? 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:44.400 You mentioned this? I think Janet earlier mentioned the silver car. 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:49.240 Has that gotten into like Lake Michigan through what was 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:53.440 that the Chicago River or any other you know, I 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:54.360 guess tributary. 0:11:56.240 --> 0:12:01.760 So the silver car primarily confined below Dresden Island dam 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:04.880 ounta of Probably your listeners are not familiar with Illinois, 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:07.400 and it took me a little lot to get familiar 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:09.839 with this as well. But yeah, there's a there's an 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:13.560 electric barrier that is sort of close to Lake Michigan, 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:16.480 and they have not really been found. We picked up 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:18.839 maybe two fish over the course the last fifteen years. 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:22.240 Above that. We do extensive monitoring in the spring and 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:29.080 the fall, using DNA as well as traditional fishing gears 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.520 to to sort of monitor that to make sure that 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.960 we're not getting any fish through there, So pretty confident 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:39.600 that they're not in in Lake Michigan within the Ohio 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.640 River basin. Probably they're all the way up to Pennsylvania, 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:50.080 but the numbers are really not significant above about marklan Pool, 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:55.240 I'd say, so, yeah, so you know that area that 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:57.640 that area right there is sort of kind of a 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.760 little bit of the leading edge there. We don't have 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:04.160 reproduction up there, but we do have some adult fish. 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.240 And then you know the Mississippi River. They're up in 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:11.040 the Mississippi. But again that that sort of reproductive front 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:14.200 is about midway and that's sort of, you know, the 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.880 measure that we use to what, you know, how effective 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.480 we can be at controlling the populations. If we can 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:24.760 get fishing in place and places where we don't have reproduction, 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.640 we can really reduce numbers pretty significantly. And we've seen 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:33.640 that in Kentucky and Barkley Lakes. The coordinated commercial fishing 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:37.880 has reduced populations and they have not really seen any 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:41.000 reproduction in those two lakes. So it's had an overall 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:44.719 positive impact on those those native fisheries. You know, the 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.360 bassa crappy, the things that people go to those lakes 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.680 to fish for, so you know, we're trying to implement 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:55.040 those same sort of approaches within these other river basins 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.760 as well. 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:00.600 Back to the commercial fishing part, seems is that the 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.400 most effective. So what are these fish being used for 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:04.720 that are commercially caught. 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:10.200 So depending on which processor is buying them, there's any 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:13.960 number of things that they could be used for. A 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.880 lot of the fish go into fish meal, some of 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:21.320 it into fertilizer. Some is used for bait for either 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:25.480 crawlfish down south, you know the crawl fresh boils. They 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.160 use a bait for net or lobster, the same sort 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.600 of thing there. Some of it is used for pet 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:37.360 food and then there's also growing human consumption avenue as well. 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:38.680 This is actually these are. 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:42.040 The most consumed fish species in the world, all across 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:47.040 the world. Yeah, it's a recognized, highly sought after and 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:51.240 desired fish. The meat is light white and flaky. It's 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:54.200 very much like a crappie. The problems are just bony. 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:59.080 So it's hard to get American consumers to adopt something 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.280 that you know, it's it's not your traditional cod or 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.680 perch filet, so it makes it a little bit harder 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.040 sell but we've worked on that end as well with 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:11.760 our Illinois launched a copy initiative so several years ago, 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.960 which is this sort of a rebranding effort, similar to 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:19.280 what they did with Orange Ruffy or Chilean sea bass. 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:22.720 Those fish were respectively known as you know, slime head 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:26.160 and Patagonia two fish. So you know, we spent thirty 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:29.680 plus years convincing people that these fish were the worst 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:31.440 thing in the world right and that they're going to 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.720 destroy everything. It makes it really challenging to do a 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.280 pivot and then say, oh, by the way, they're good 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:44.440 to eat too, and you should give them a try. Well, 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.520 I mean, we're pretty open, but I know if we 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:49.640 use the you know, the Kopi is the name we 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:53.680 came up with the playoff of copious, and we've gotten 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.760 some traction with it. There's some folks that have adopted it, 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:58.480 and you know, it's tested really well. 0:15:58.560 --> 0:15:59.720 I mean, I'm not a. 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:04.000 Market I'm a fish biologist, so you know that's where 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:04.520 I come in. 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:09.360 Okay, Well, we got to hit a short break, but 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:13.160 you know I want to We'll continue putting this out there, 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:16.560 but we'll do the break, come back and tell how 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:21.000 people can get evolved and get more information and gosh, 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:22.760 I got so much more to ask, but I'll just 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.480 have to set that for another day. Chip Hart by 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.200 guest Brian showing with Illinois d n R and of 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:31.080 course Janet with the US Fish and Wildlife Service, the 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:34.640 Big Outdoors, this radio seven hundred WLW Cincinnati. 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.880 Sure ask for sustainable seafood. 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.400 And it lives in with US Fish and Wildlife Service. 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:48.920 Would you like to give everybody an opportunity to do 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:52.280 an Internet search for specifics on your end? 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.360 Yeah, what I would recommend is we have a pretty 0:16:56.360 --> 0:17:00.720 comprehensive website called Managing Invasive Carps. So if they use 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.240 that as the Google search with US Fish and Wildlife 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:04.240 Service should. 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:04.440 Take you there. 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:09.840 Fantastic Brian shooning with the Illinois DNR And if people 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.119 want to find out more about what's happening on your. 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:18.440 End, yeah, so I would say, you know, Invasivecarp dot 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:22.360 us is the ic ic R c C website, microrivers 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:25.800 dot org is the Mississippi River Basin, and then of 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:29.479 course we've got Illinois DNR. Folks are interested in what 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.480 we're doing at twoscope dot com, which is another website 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.840 with the human consumption market in mind. Yeah, I just 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.280 encourage your listeners. I mean, you've got district biologist, fisheries 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:44.600 biologists in your state. It for you, and they love 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:46.600 to hear from you. They want to hear from you. 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:51.200 If you've got questions, if you need answers to particular things, 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:53.159 or if you see something that you think is strange, 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:55.320 by all means, reach out to those folks. Go to 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.680 your agency's website to list the biologists. You can find 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:00.800 the right contact, or just call the general number. 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:02.560 They'll get in touch with the right person. 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:06.080 We work for the fishermen, so yes, we're here for 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:07.080 you absolutely. 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.359 And you know around here it's like you create. You 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:13.080 create the market first and then fulfill it. Okay, that 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:18.000 was an old WBN thing. That was another radio station. Okay, hey, 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:20.439 hey the two of you, thank you very much. I 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:23.560 appreciate and uh, we'll put it up on a Big 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:27.119 Outdoors Facebook page. But after that go to podcasts for 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:30.639 more Chip part the Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:34.160 WLW Cincinnati'd be safe in the woods, safe on the water, 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:35.800 and safe in that tree stand.