Speaker 1: All right, it's see Eddie Rocky Show. Eddie Rocky out
Speaker 1: Jason Williams alongside my partner in pod Dan Carol. How
Speaker 1: are we looking, brother, good? You're already I'm good man.
Speaker 1: You came in here hot. Let me know you're you're
Speaker 1: ready to play some golf tomorrow as this weather is
Speaker 1: heating up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, buddy of mine, buddy of mine contacted me earlier today,
Speaker 2: so we got tea times for tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I said, I'm there, go win some money, my friend.
Speaker 2: So so my I'm gonna say this right up front.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna lean on you tomorrow for show prep. I've
Speaker 2: already been working my friend already been working it. I've
Speaker 2: already go enjoy, go enjoy there your time at the
Speaker 2: golf court. I'll show prep tonight. I show prepped all
Speaker 2: day today. I'll show prep tonight.
Speaker 1: Them you know what, I got an easy way for
Speaker 1: your show prop Just just ask Ai Ai Ai? Who
Speaker 1: should I? What should I do for my radio show tomorrow?
Speaker 1: I mean, is that? Is that what you do?
Speaker 2: I am using AI sparingly now when I want to
Speaker 2: get some get some facts or some background on some stuff.
Speaker 2: But I have not asked it to create anything for me.
Speaker 1: Well, interesting, you bring this up because we have our
Speaker 1: official Eddie and Rocky a oh, I did, okay, the
Speaker 1: main our official AI correspondent of the Eddie and Rocky Show,
Speaker 1: our good friend Dave Hatter, who as long ago gotten
Speaker 1: rid of his tinfoil hat because he it's officially everything
Speaker 1: he says is true.
Speaker 2: Well you you asked the first question, because I'm going
Speaker 2: to be busy responding to this text message.
Speaker 1: It says we dropped the ball on that one, Dave,
Speaker 1: Dave Hatter mayor Merry Christmas? How are you.
Speaker 3: Merry Christmas? Birth? I'm good, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3: I took the day off. And Jason, you may be
Speaker 3: too young to appreciate this. The damn will. I just
Speaker 3: watched the original Alice Cooper Band how about that Songs
Speaker 3: for Christmas Pudding event the other night. It's pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: Really, I'll get much better than that. Well, it's funny
Speaker 1: because Alice Cooper, when I was a kid, was seen
Speaker 1: as like, oh man, like he's like one of those
Speaker 1: satan heavy rocker guys, and like he's about as normal
Speaker 1: in that world as you get, speaking of a normal. Well,
Speaker 1: they dan just mentioned there about using Ai. I did
Speaker 1: not do this in thinking we were going to have
Speaker 1: you this week, but over the weekend, Dave Hatter, I
Speaker 1: was looking to make a special logo for a special
Speaker 1: event for my youth baseball team, my thirteen year old
Speaker 1: baseball team. And I'm like, oh, you know what, and
Speaker 1: it's a slogan that we use for the guys. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I have a co pilot on my laptop up.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, and I took the plunge.
Speaker 1: I used AI for the first time, and I got
Speaker 1: down a two hour rabbit hole with AI on designing
Speaker 1: all kinds of different logos for my baseball team, not
Speaker 1: just the specific slogan one, but just other ones. And
Speaker 1: I am I am fascinated by it. And not only that.
Speaker 1: So then I turned around, just you know, an hour ago,
Speaker 1: I'm given this gift of he's not listening baseball tickets.
Speaker 1: We were trying to pick this a different stadium each
Speaker 1: year to go to my sons and I and so
Speaker 1: we're going to go to Atlanta next year, and so
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to make like kind of a
Speaker 1: fake ticket stub to give to him as part of
Speaker 1: his Christmas gift. I'm like, ah, man, I got to
Speaker 1: find a template. No, I go back to AI boom.
Speaker 1: Five minutes later, we got it all tweaked. It's good
Speaker 1: to go, ready to print out, Dave Hatter, I have
Speaker 1: crossed the threshold. I found the AI am I am?
Speaker 1: I Is that a good thing for me to be
Speaker 1: using that? Or is it? Is it stealing all of
Speaker 1: my info as I'm doing this and it's going to
Speaker 1: come back.
Speaker 4: To haunt me?
Speaker 3: Well, possibly some combination of both. Like most technology, Jason,
Speaker 3: you know, it depends on the platform. You know. Here's
Speaker 3: the thing with AI where it stands today. Now, you know,
Speaker 3: I think a lot of the bloom was coming off
Speaker 3: the roads, and you've got a lot of the people
Speaker 3: who have been involved in it for a long time saying,
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's kind of perhaps peaked based on
Speaker 3: its current the current way that they've engineered it. I
Speaker 3: don't know, We'll see. I can just tell you it's
Speaker 3: funny you mentioned the graphics thing, because just recently used
Speaker 3: it for something similar to that, and all I wanted
Speaker 3: to do was replace a single word in the image
Speaker 3: that it created, and I could not get it to
Speaker 3: replace that word. Just one work so you know, I
Speaker 3: think as long as you understand what it's good at
Speaker 3: and what it's not good at, when you understand the
Speaker 3: issue of foluc nations and so forth, and then to
Speaker 3: your point about it sucking up all your information that
Speaker 3: the trade offs that you might be making when you
Speaker 3: use it, it can be a really valuable, really handy
Speaker 3: tool as long as you stay within the guardrails. You know,
Speaker 3: if you don't know anything about a subject and you
Speaker 3: just assume that what it tells you it's fact, that
Speaker 3: can be really problematic. But as long as you stay
Speaker 3: within the guardrails, it can save you an enormous amount
Speaker 3: of time, especially like from a prototyping standpoint, if you
Speaker 3: just want to get an idea for something, it's super
Speaker 3: handy for that kind of thing, Like it will save
Speaker 3: you an enormous amount of count.
Speaker 1: And I thought this was pretty harmless and it was fun.
Speaker 1: It was actually fun, like and I know what you say.
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying, though, Like there were some
Speaker 1: points where it's like, hey design this, and then it
Speaker 1: would keep coming back and it wouldn't get You'd literally
Speaker 1: tell it, hey drop that C logo, and it would
Speaker 1: kept dropping that in there somehow, some way, and finally
Speaker 1: I'd be like, let's do a reset get rid of
Speaker 1: the sea with the quote, because it was calling at
Speaker 1: that and then it finally did. So it took some time,
Speaker 1: but on some tweaks, but I found it to be
Speaker 1: useful and fun, and I think I'm going to use
Speaker 1: one of those logos that it spit out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really can be useful. Again, as long as
Speaker 3: you kind of understand the limitations and work within those guidelines,
Speaker 3: it can be a very handy tool for any number
Speaker 3: of different things and an enormous time saver. But but yeah,
Speaker 3: here's the thing I think a lot of people don't understand.
Speaker 3: You know, the guy who spent a long time as
Speaker 3: a software engineer. Most of the time the kind of
Speaker 3: software I was writing was for business use, and it
Speaker 3: was deterministic. You know, if you gave it a formula
Speaker 3: and certain inputs, it would produce the same outputs every time. Right,
Speaker 3: it had to be correct. These large language models are
Speaker 3: using a probabilistic model. You can ask you the question
Speaker 3: twenty times and you might get twenty different answers, and
Speaker 3: some of them will be just completely made up. Right,
Speaker 3: That idea of hallucinations. So depending on you know, if
Speaker 3: you need a deterministic answer, that is not necessarily a
Speaker 3: good way to go about it. And if you don't
Speaker 3: understand hallucinations, again, you could be setting yourself. There's been
Speaker 3: all kinds of stories about people trying to use AI,
Speaker 3: you know, based large language model g in AI type
Speaker 3: things like rock or chat or chat GPT or Gemini
Speaker 3: to like plan a vacation and it, you know, plots
Speaker 3: places on their itinerary that just don't exist. So again,
Speaker 3: when you understand those kinds of things and you understand
Speaker 3: it is not deterministic, it can be really valuable.
Speaker 2: You know, Dave, There used to be a saying back
Speaker 2: in the the relatively early days of computing called geigo
Speaker 2: garbage in garbage out right.
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: I think I think that same basic principle still applies.
Speaker 2: And I caught this story the other day when I
Speaker 2: was getting ready for one of my weekend shows, and
Speaker 2: it turns out Merriam Webster Dictionary has chosen their year,
Speaker 2: their word of the year, and that word is do
Speaker 2: you know it, Dave.
Speaker 1: Flop slop?
Speaker 3: I do know it? Ye slop?
Speaker 2: Or yeah, AI generated junk? Tell me about that? Tell
Speaker 2: me about slop. I think that's a cool term because
Speaker 2: I mean, that's still sad. That sounds to me like
Speaker 2: the same principle of garbage in garbage out them all.
Speaker 3: Right, well more or less, yes, and I think that's true.
Speaker 3: You know, when these large language models get trained. Again,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not a mathematician and I don't build
Speaker 3: this stuff, so I can't tell you exactly what's happening
Speaker 3: inside it. And that's one of the problems. I'm not
Speaker 3: sure anyone can. But you know, it's using a probabilistic
Speaker 3: model to figure out okay, you use this word, this
Speaker 3: is the word that's most likely to go with that,
Speaker 3: and it's all based on probability. That's why, again you
Speaker 3: can ask the same question and get a different answer
Speaker 3: each time. And that's why you know, until recently, it's
Speaker 3: been really poor at math of doing things like give
Speaker 3: me an image of an analog clock that's showing a
Speaker 3: certain time, and it can't do it right. But the
Speaker 3: bottom line is, yeah, Dan, if the input you're using
Speaker 3: to train these models is biased, if it's incorrect, that's problematic.
Speaker 3: And again I'm not an expert on the inner works
Speaker 3: of this stuff, but there are a lot of people
Speaker 3: who have been well known people in this space who
Speaker 3: have now started to come off some of the more
Speaker 3: hyperbolic predictions that all of our jobs are going to
Speaker 3: be replaced, and you know, we're going to have AI
Speaker 3: wipe us out and all this sort of stuff, at
Speaker 3: least on this particular path. There are different types of AI,
Speaker 3: and there are people doing different things, but there are
Speaker 3: some folks who are speculating that's the large language model
Speaker 3: that powers things like Gemini at Rock and catch GPP.
Speaker 3: If it hasn't peaked already, may have peaked. And one
Speaker 3: of the problems gets back to what you just said, Dan,
Speaker 3: which is this idea of garbage in garbage out. If
Speaker 3: I have an AI model and it generates the output,
Speaker 3: and I eed that into another AI model, and it
Speaker 3: generates the output which goes back into the original model
Speaker 3: you originally. You eventually just hit this. It's all just
Speaker 3: made up stuff. It's slamp. It's just garbage being thrown
Speaker 3: out by these things. And as you get more non
Speaker 3: human generated original content, the slop causes entropy. And there's
Speaker 3: an actual term in the business called model collapse. And
Speaker 3: I'm not saying we're there and this might never happen,
Speaker 3: But there are people predicting that, you know, based on
Speaker 3: these tools the way they work now, with the kind
Speaker 3: of limitations they have, they they may not be able
Speaker 3: to progress much beyond where we are now. And there
Speaker 3: have been several very well known people say the idea
Speaker 3: of getting to artificial general intelligence, this sort of you know,
Speaker 3: it's better than human beings and everything and eventually wipe
Speaker 3: us out. It will never happen using this particular technique.
Speaker 3: Now again, you know, I only know what I read
Speaker 3: and what I see, and I've seen evidence of the
Speaker 3: slop and the Internet is now full of all these
Speaker 3: ridiculous videos and means being generated by AI, which is
Speaker 3: then get sucked back into the AI. So I think
Speaker 3: there's something to that idea of entropy. And I do
Speaker 3: love the term flop because so much of what you
Speaker 3: see from this stuff really is just garbage.
Speaker 1: Changes.
Speaker 3: But that's want to go back and say, when you
Speaker 3: understand all of the things we're talking about here, and
Speaker 3: you know how to work with the tools the right
Speaker 3: way where things are good at they can be unbelievably handy.
Speaker 1: Dave, We've got a couple more minutes, Dave, had or
Speaker 1: our tech guy here on the Eddie and Rocky Show
Speaker 1: speaking of sloping garbage. It is prime Christmas fishing season
Speaker 1: with a pH any particular scams going on out there
Speaker 1: right Nowadave that people really need to be on alert for.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad to ask about that, Jason, because the
Speaker 3: FBI has just recently, the FBI had a great website,
Speaker 3: the Internet Crime Complaints that are IC three dot gov
Speaker 3: and then just the standard FBI website. They've put out
Speaker 3: a lot of warnings and PSAs lately on social media
Speaker 3: and so forth about scams and broad and the sort
Speaker 3: of things to see this year. You know, those are
Speaker 3: always talk full of useful tips because it's not just speculation,
Speaker 3: it's it's stuff that being reported to them. You know,
Speaker 3: the standard scams this time of year typically revolve around Okay,
Speaker 3: this deals too good to be true. I have to
Speaker 3: act on this now or your package is delayed. And remember, folks,
Speaker 3: fishing comes in all kinds of forums. Now, it's not
Speaker 3: just email, it's text messages, it's voice calls. Voice calls
Speaker 3: that might be using some kind of AI tool to
Speaker 3: close somebody's voice. So you know, back before Amazon Prime Day,
Speaker 3: I saw a study that over two hundred thousand in
Speaker 3: a four month period of time, over two hundred thousand
Speaker 3: fraudulent websites were set up to scam people around Prime Day.
Speaker 3: So you can bet there's at least a similar amount
Speaker 3: that have been created to try to scam people between
Speaker 3: Black Friday, Cyber Monday, and holiday shopping at General. So,
Speaker 3: you know, be skeptical, take a brass. If it seems
Speaker 3: too good to be true, it probably is. Don't click
Speaker 3: the links, don't call the numbers. You know, if you've
Speaker 3: got an email that has a deal it's too good
Speaker 3: to be true from Walmart, then you go to the
Speaker 3: Walmart website or the Amazon website or whatever. Hey, go
Speaker 3: read those tips from the FBI. You know, a lot
Speaker 3: of times if you just see a credible source putting
Speaker 3: out information like Daddy, you read it. Could you just
Speaker 3: put enough awareness to help avoid some of the scams
Speaker 3: that are always rampant this tiny year.
Speaker 1: Dave always great stuff. Always appreciate uh. Whether I'm I'm
Speaker 1: on with Eddie and Rocky or with Dan Carroll or
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a listener. I always always am informed by
Speaker 1: what you know, by what you what you talk about
Speaker 1: You're the best, buddy, You're the best.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: You were, Dave. You were as Eddie as Eddie. As
Speaker 1: Eddie says in our prep show preps when we have
Speaker 1: you on, he always says, Hatter on Hatter stuff. You
Speaker 1: were Dave Hatter on Dave Hatter stuff today spot on
Speaker 1: Mary Christmas, my friend.
Speaker 3: Thanks you guys to see you see, Thank you. Dave.
Speaker 1: News Radio seven hundred w l W Jason Williams, Dan
Speaker 1: Carroll in for Eddie and Rocky and we got a
Speaker 1: hot off the presses here as you heard on our
Speaker 1: our news break there. UH prosecutor Hamilton County Prosecutor Connie
Speaker 1: Pillag has put out a statement setting the record straight.
Speaker 1: UH And now Hamilton County Corner UH locks me san
Speaker 1: Marco has retracted what she said yesterday regarding the Elwood
Speaker 1: Jones case. It' it's it's kind of complex, but let's
Speaker 1: go right to the source here. We've got a Hamilton
Speaker 1: County Prosecutor, Connie Pillach on the phone who to talk
Speaker 1: about setting the record straight on basically yesterday locks me
Speaker 1: San Marco, the coroner saying that she had uncovered new
Speaker 1: new evidence in uh the uh the Elwood Jones case
Speaker 1: regarding the lady who was murdered wrote to Nathan, now,
Speaker 1: Connie Pilach saying, hey, no, that's not true. Now. Also,
Speaker 1: just within the last handful of minutes here, doctor Lockxamee
Speaker 1: San Marco has said she has retracted that as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she writes that today.
Speaker 2: I'm in reciping of a document titled Microbiology Reference Laboratory
Speaker 2: Test Report provided by Attorney David Hine. In that document,
Speaker 2: there are reference numbers the correspond to our autopsy and
Speaker 2: death records. In the body of the report, there's a
Speaker 2: reference to a cadaver specimen. The printed result state the
Speaker 2: blood specimen was hepatitis B surface amage and positive. Considering
Speaker 2: the correlation of the numbers on the report with our records,
Speaker 2: it appears that this is the actual Hepatitis B test
Speaker 2: report result for Rhoda, Nathan. And with that, let's go there.
Speaker 1: There's a lot there, Dan, but let's let's yeah, let's
Speaker 1: let's get to Hamilton County Prosecutor Connie Pilach, Uh, Prosecutor
Speaker 1: pillag thank you for joining us here. And I know
Speaker 1: this is kind of crazy, and uh, there's a lot
Speaker 1: lot here, but uh yeah, I mean Connie, you your
Speaker 1: your your press release, I think related out for you.
Speaker 1: Uh you know you're here to set the record straight
Speaker 1: on this and it sounds like, uh now that lotchiby
Speaker 1: San Marco. The Corner is on the same page with
Speaker 1: with your office as well, and more importantly, on the
Speaker 1: same page with what's the truth of the evidence that
Speaker 1: was undiscovered was discovered in this case? Correct?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, and thanks so much for having having
Speaker 5: me on.
Speaker 1: To thank jumping on so quickly, Thank you.
Speaker 5: I'm happy to do so.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Corner did not uncover any new information about
Speaker 5: the victim's medical history. What she had done was review
Speaker 5: a laboratory report that actually was reporting on the blood
Speaker 5: of Elwood Jones, and she made mistakenly attributed mister jones
Speaker 5: negative appetitus B result to the victim. So this was
Speaker 5: just a mistake and it was just a misreading of
Speaker 5: the test. I did speak with the corner just just
Speaker 5: when I sent this press release out clear things up,
Speaker 5: and she understood that this was a mistake and told
Speaker 5: me she was going to retract her comments. But look,
Speaker 5: it's very clear. It's very clear that every part of
Speaker 5: the file that we received from the coroner said that
Speaker 5: on September eighth, nineteen ninety four, testing done through the
Speaker 5: coroner's office showed that Roda Nathan.
Speaker 3: Had hepatitis B.
Speaker 5: And this test was even stipulated to by both sides
Speaker 5: in the federal case, and.
Speaker 1: Elwood Jones evidence said that he did not have hepatitis B.
Speaker 5: Correct, that's right. And we also learned that his test
Speaker 5: was taken on September sixteenth, nineteen ninety four, so about
Speaker 5: a week after the murder, and then late twenty years
Speaker 5: later he was tested again by a defense expert. The
Speaker 5: test done and he was found to never have contracted
Speaker 5: and still has not contracted hepatitis B. This is one
Speaker 5: of those antigens that stays in your bloodstream forever, so
Speaker 5: we would have been able to find out.
Speaker 2: China, billis this is this is Dan Carroll and uh,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for the for the for the
Speaker 2: for the time today. So the the the guilt or
Speaker 2: innocence of Elwood Jones. Are you suggesting that that guilt
Speaker 2: or innocence rides on whether or not he has hepatitis
Speaker 2: B and contact contracted it through there did not contact
Speaker 2: it through contact with the with the victim in this.
Speaker 5: Case, No, because there was a lot of other evidence
Speaker 5: that was disclosed long after his conviction that produced a
Speaker 5: lot of doubt.
Speaker 2: Well evidence, Okay, what what evidence are you talking about?
Speaker 5: Oh, well, we had numerous witnesses that were interviewed by
Speaker 5: the police that pointed to a different individual or a
Speaker 5: couple of different individuals, and these were these were noted
Speaker 5: in some investigators notes, and that stuff was never disclosed
Speaker 5: to the defense until years after.
Speaker 2: Well, Mark Mark Pete Meyer, who tried the case, was
Speaker 2: suggested that all these avenues were explored during not only
Speaker 2: during the case, but during up and down the appellate process.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, Uh, there there were
Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of evidence in this case
Speaker 2: that that connects Elwood Jones to the murder. You've got
Speaker 2: test results, and we had the cut on on Elwood's
Speaker 2: hand that that the Joe Dieters and Mark Pete Myer
Speaker 2: suggests came from connecting with the teeth of Rhoda and
Speaker 2: this unique gumback here. How did that get onto Elwood's hand?
Speaker 2: What about the diamond brooch that wound up in his toolbox?
Speaker 2: What about evidence like that?
Speaker 5: Well, let me respond to some of this because I
Speaker 5: spent months pouring through the case file, looking at transcripts,
Speaker 5: looking at DNA test results, looking at investigator's notes, all
Speaker 5: these things. And I understand, I really really like Mark
Speaker 5: Pete Meyer, and he was very good to me in
Speaker 5: the transition, and I understand that he's proud of his work.
Speaker 5: But what I can tell you right now, from all
Speaker 5: of the evidence I see that Mark didn't have as
Speaker 5: far as I can tell, didn't have any access to,
Speaker 5: I'm not convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Elwood Jones
Speaker 5: committed this murder, and therefore it's unethical for me to
Speaker 5: try it.
Speaker 1: Well, we're not.
Speaker 6: But we're not going to I'm not.
Speaker 5: Going to relitigate the case. I put out a statement.
Speaker 1: I did a but but isn't that isn't that where
Speaker 1: we are now? Isn't that?
Speaker 2: Where aren't we relitigating this entire case now? Because of
Speaker 2: all this back and forth that that has gone on. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I mean, look, Elwoo Jones is are
Speaker 2: He's a freeman. He's a free man. He's free to
Speaker 2: go because the judge ordered said he deserves a new trial.
Speaker 2: You looked at the evidence that I'm not going to
Speaker 2: bring it and that that that's your prerogative. But what
Speaker 2: Joe Deeters was especially upset about that you suggested that
Speaker 2: there was in his office there was some attempt to
Speaker 2: withhold information. There was some attempt made to maybe not
Speaker 2: do this case one hundred percent by the books. How
Speaker 2: do you respond to the comments of Joe Dieters, who
Speaker 2: was on this station a week ago, came on here
Speaker 2: with Bill Cunningham for an entire entire segment to defend
Speaker 2: him himself in the integrity of his office.
Speaker 5: Well, what we do know, and what is a stand
Speaker 5: list fact, is that the state, which could have been
Speaker 5: the police or the prosecutor's office, I don't know which
Speaker 5: because I wasn't in this office at the time, but
Speaker 5: they failed to turn over a large amount of evidence.
Speaker 5: And in nineteen sixty three the United States Supreme Court
Speaker 5: said in Brady v. Maryland that you can't do that.
Speaker 5: We want to make sure we lock up the guilty,
Speaker 5: but we also have to make sure trials are fair,
Speaker 5: and if they're not fair, then you get a new trial.
Speaker 5: So that's what that's prong number one. But number two,
Speaker 5: I understand I don't know if Joe was on the
Speaker 5: case or not. I believe he was in the office
Speaker 5: at the time. It's very understandable for people to have
Speaker 5: emotional attachment to the work they've done or the work
Speaker 5: of their respected colleagues. I don't blame them for that.
Speaker 5: But what I'm dealing with now is the reality of
Speaker 5: a lot of witness statements not being disclosed. Witnesses that
Speaker 5: pointed to a different person, Multiple people at in the
Speaker 5: hotel that could not collaborate with the theories of the
Speaker 5: case were at the time, and none of that was disclosed.
Speaker 3: And that's not how.
Speaker 5: We run a trial. We try to do a trial
Speaker 5: with integrity. And what I can tell you now is
Speaker 5: that after my review, I wasn't the only person who
Speaker 5: reviewed this case. My top criminal lawyer reviewed it as well.
Speaker 5: We compared our notes and discussed our conclusions, and we
Speaker 5: both agreed that this case could not go forward. And
Speaker 5: that's the end of the story. But what happened afterwards
Speaker 5: with the coroner deciding on our own to just suddenly
Speaker 5: open up the case files and investigate, I don't know
Speaker 5: what that was about it because she's not the investigator.
Speaker 5: I'm not the investigator. The police were the investigators, and
Speaker 5: the coroner and I are all part of the same
Speaker 5: law enforcement universe. We should be working together.
Speaker 2: Okay, because Joe Deaters in the open letter that he
Speaker 2: wrote to you, says that you never contacted him. And
Speaker 2: Joe Dieters was it was his office. He was the
Speaker 2: prosecutor at the time that this case was going on.
Speaker 2: And you talk about in the statement that you put
Speaker 2: out that prosecutor pillage a surprise the coroner would rush
Speaker 2: to judgment before having a conversation with the prosecutor's office. Well,
Speaker 2: didn't you do the same thing. Didn't you come to
Speaker 2: your conclusion on this before you had a conversation with
Speaker 2: Joe Deaters and Mark Pete Meyer specifically about this case?
Speaker 1: You did? Are are you saying you contacted them?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Well why not? Why would?
Speaker 5: You're having a lot of fun with me. So I'll
Speaker 5: try to respond. But look, it's not appropriate for me
Speaker 5: to contact a justice of the Ohio Supreme Court about
Speaker 5: a case that he may or may not have remembered
Speaker 5: long ago.
Speaker 3: And it's not.
Speaker 5: Appropriate for me to talk to me because of you.
Speaker 5: Let me finish. The court will speak through the evidence
Speaker 5: that was collect I don't need somebody's opinion. I need
Speaker 5: the evidence because I can't go on somebody's opinion or
Speaker 5: their emotional feelings about how hard they worked and how
Speaker 5: hard they tried to do the right thing. What I
Speaker 5: need to go through is to create the case transcripts
Speaker 5: and the court filings and the evidence that was collected.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm allowed to do, and that's my duty
Speaker 5: to do. This is not supposed to be a gossip
Speaker 5: chain now. And when you talk about the corner, you know,
Speaker 5: we work together all the time, and I don't know
Speaker 5: why she didn't talk to me. First of all, I'm
Speaker 5: her lawyer, this office is the lawyer of the coroner's office.
Speaker 5: But also we are collaborators in the law enforcement community
Speaker 5: and we have done so before, so she can only
Speaker 5: answer those questions. But look, the thing is a victim
Speaker 5: and her family are still without justice. There's no excuse
Speaker 5: to get the facts wrong without being deliberate as deliberate
Speaker 5: as I try to do, and I'm confident that my
Speaker 5: team and I came to the right conclusion. You know,
Speaker 5: I'm really sorry for the victim's family to have to
Speaker 5: be have this stuff blow up in their face again yesterday.
Speaker 5: That's that's got to be excruciating.
Speaker 1: Well, Connie, Connie, thanks, we got to get to a
Speaker 1: break here. Thank you for joining. Yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: more questions. I didn't even jump in there, but it's
Speaker 1: really appreciate you taking the time here on this and
Speaker 1: jumping on a quick turnaround there and the statement everything.
Speaker 1: So Merry Christmas to you and we will catch you
Speaker 1: catch you some other time. Let's get to a break
Speaker 1: here on News Radio seven hundred double Welcome back to
Speaker 1: the Eddie and Rocky Show. Jason Williams, Dan Carroll. I'm
Speaker 1: Jason Williams. He's Dan Carroll and trying to get my
Speaker 1: heart rate down. They say, man, I was trying to
Speaker 1: get I was trying to I was trying to get
Speaker 1: a question and number one, number two, well number one,
Speaker 1: I was trying to get you to calm down. Number two,
Speaker 1: I was trying to get a question in. Well it
Speaker 1: took in order to help calm you down. But I
Speaker 1: also understand where you were coming from because I know
Speaker 1: exactly when I covered politics, there were a handful of
Speaker 1: times when I would get fired up like that. Not
Speaker 1: with Connie Pilach. I don't think I ever talked to her.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about just in general. There were times when
Speaker 1: things I get so passionate about it that I would
Speaker 1: just get going.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if Connie Pillager remembers me. But
Speaker 2: I interviewed her years ago back in my Fox nineteen days,
Speaker 2: and I forget what office she was running for at
Speaker 2: that time, but she was a candidate and she was
Speaker 2: in the studio and and we sat down and we
Speaker 2: talked for I don't know, six seven minutes something like that.
Speaker 2: So I have met her before she State Rep. Then
Speaker 2: she might have been running for State Rep at that time,
Speaker 2: so I had we have spoken before. So you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know if she actually remembers me.
Speaker 1: Though. The biggest thing here was that appreciate because I
Speaker 1: don't think she's done very many interviews on this if
Speaker 1: I don't know fIF at all, and and so the
Speaker 1: fact that really appreciate her coming on.
Speaker 2: Oh we're coming on great. Yeah, I mean it, And
Speaker 2: she did it on short notice. There's been a lot
Speaker 2: of back and forth there there. We're talking to Kevin
Speaker 2: Aldrich about this at the bottom of the hour, and
Speaker 2: we're also we talked to are we talking to the
Speaker 2: judgment a little bit? But I was going to talk
Speaker 2: to Kevin Aldrich and ask him the question because, Uh,
Speaker 2: I read the Channel nine story on this, I read
Speaker 2: the Fox nineteen piece on this, A Channel twelve had one,
Speaker 2: and they all said, Hey, we reached out to the prosecutor,
Speaker 2: we've got no response.
Speaker 1: And that was.
Speaker 2: What our newsroom here at seven hundred WLW was saying
Speaker 2: all day long until just then. And she put this
Speaker 2: statement out and then she came on to UH to
Speaker 2: actually talk about and stand behind her statement.
Speaker 1: And I appreciate her and absolutely, and that's been that's
Speaker 1: been great between all the different shows here now in
Speaker 1: the past week, we've had Joe Deaters, we've had Locksham,
Speaker 1: San Marco the Corner, and we've had Connie Pillach, Yes,
Speaker 1: the the you know a lot of the key players
Speaker 1: past and present, UH in this case. So we thank
Speaker 1: all of them for that. And let's let's continue on
Speaker 1: the analysis of this and some other political issues with
Speaker 1: our good friend and we hope yours former Hamilton County
Speaker 1: common please Court judge, all around, good guy local attorney
Speaker 1: Kurt Hartman, judge, how are you? How was that intro?
Speaker 1: My friend? That's like it's like Saturday.
Speaker 7: Night, Jason, it just flows out of your mats like
Speaker 7: it's natural, like it's meant to be.
Speaker 1: So that's great, But well, the history there is, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm filling on Saturday nights. I've had occurred
Speaker 1: on as I know you have as well, Dan, and
Speaker 1: uh so I've got a little intro for him. But
Speaker 1: I tongue tied myself if the first few times when
Speaker 1: I said former Hamilton County Common Police Court judge that, uh,
Speaker 1: that used to uh really stump me. We're good to
Speaker 1: go now, judge.
Speaker 2: Let me let me ask you a question when it
Speaker 2: comes to Joe Deaters being the prosecutor in this town,
Speaker 2: the this and and this is what really cracks my
Speaker 2: cookies about this whole thing. Uh, the suggestion that somehow
Speaker 2: his office was guilty of sloppy work or maybe cutting corners,
Speaker 2: or maybe not being thorough or maybe being slightly unprofessional
Speaker 2: in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: When when you hear that sort of suggestion, what, uh
Speaker 2: you know relative to to the office that Joe Dieters ran,
Speaker 2: what's what's your response to that?
Speaker 7: Well, Well, let me start off kind of in a
Speaker 7: generic aspect. Now, you know, well, while as attorneys, you know,
Speaker 7: we want we're there to advocate for our clients and
Speaker 7: try to win the case for them. Your prosecutors have
Speaker 7: a different ethnic ethical standard, and that their ethical standard
Speaker 7: is not to win a case. Their ethical standard is
Speaker 7: to do justice.
Speaker 1: Yes, and so that's a.
Speaker 7: Little different and so and that's what I think, at
Speaker 7: the end of the day, we all want. Now when
Speaker 7: it comes to it, I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 7: In the generic sense, prosecutors' offices, some of them tend
Speaker 7: to play a little bit fast with the rules. They
Speaker 7: think different rules apply to them. They think, you know,
Speaker 7: they should because they're doing justice. Hey, we've got a
Speaker 7: victim here, and we know, we know this person did it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I don't always think and I mean a little bit
Speaker 7: of a skeptic in me, a little bit of the
Speaker 7: civil libertarian and me I do think at times prosecutor's
Speaker 7: offices maybe play a little fast and loose. I've never,
Speaker 7: when I was on the bench, never had an experience
Speaker 7: knowing where they clearly did not, you know, comply by
Speaker 7: the rules. Uh, you know that they were subject. I
Speaker 7: think they did not like sometimes being subject to the rules,
Speaker 7: and sometimes try to cut the little corners here and there.
Speaker 7: But in terms of not turning over evidence. You know,
Speaker 7: I know there have been accusations in the past against
Speaker 7: Joe's office. I never had that personal experience. I don't
Speaker 7: know of any personal experience in that regard. And it
Speaker 7: is a very serious accusation.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 7: You know that that if I was an attorney, if
Speaker 7: I was a prosecuting attorney, would take great umbrich at.
Speaker 7: But also, but also I'm not going to be naive
Speaker 7: and say it does not occur generally speaking, you know.
Speaker 2: I general I asked about Joe Dieter's office and the
Speaker 2: way he ran things.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Now, like I said, I think, I mean when
Speaker 7: I was on the bench, I bumped heads with certain
Speaker 7: prosecutes I did. I found some of them somewhat arrogant.
Speaker 7: I found some of them to be so full of
Speaker 7: themselves that they were so self righteous that they kind
Speaker 7: of lost that pole star of their ethical obligation to
Speaker 7: do justice. On the other hand, I found some some
Speaker 7: of them very professional, respectful, trying to do the right thing.
Speaker 7: But would they do but to go so far as
Speaker 7: to say I'm gonna withhold evident And I mean, if
Speaker 7: that comes out, that's a law license. You lose your
Speaker 7: law license on something like that. I'd be hard pressed
Speaker 7: to believe anybody would go that far. But again I'm
Speaker 7: not naive to say maybe it never occurred. You know,
Speaker 7: it's interesting, you know, Kanyie Pillage comes out and makes
Speaker 7: this kind of accusation, but it's a very generic accusation.
Speaker 7: I want to see what's the evidence, you know, I'm
Speaker 7: in a lawyer. I want to see the evidence that establishes it,
Speaker 7: not just Connie Pillage telling me that's what happens along.
Speaker 1: Those same lines. And Connie Pilach did and she said
Speaker 1: she did not talk to Joe Dieters or any of
Speaker 1: the prosecutors who are on the case back in the nineties.
Speaker 1: Given that that accusation is there, and I'm asking you
Speaker 1: for your opinion, judge on this, do you feel like
Speaker 1: if you were in the prosecutor's shoes, do you do
Speaker 1: you owe a call to the prosecutor from back then
Speaker 1: or no? You just look at you look at all
Speaker 1: the case that's laid out there, and you can make
Speaker 1: your own decision. And it's totally fine. And I'm not
Speaker 1: putting words in your mouth one way or the other.
Speaker 1: I am clearly a neutral person on this in terms
Speaker 1: of that that piece of it because I I'm not
Speaker 1: an expert on it and you are. What does the
Speaker 1: prosecutor in a case itor.
Speaker 7: Tony Keillich has conducted this is no, she did not
Speaker 7: reach out. Let me talk to all the actors involved, right,
Speaker 7: I want to get all the facts. And it seems
Speaker 7: in a certain sense by the fact that she did
Speaker 7: not reach out to Joe Dee or she did not
Speaker 7: talk to the prosecutors involved previously, she didn't want to
Speaker 7: get all the facts. Well, maybe you know, maybe she
Speaker 7: sees this piece of evidence and is viewing it one
Speaker 7: way but doesn't perceive it differently. How the prosecutors might
Speaker 7: be able to explain something to her. You know, if
Speaker 7: I'm doing if I was in this position, I'd want
Speaker 7: to get all the facts. I want to know what
Speaker 7: am I missing, What don't I understand, what am I
Speaker 7: viewing wrong? Those will be the type of questions I
Speaker 7: would ask, And I just think and then part of
Speaker 7: me is, like I said, I wasn't a fan with
Speaker 7: with Joe Dieter's office in certain regards of how they operated,
Speaker 7: But I don't have the confidence right now in Connie
Speaker 7: Pillage's office either. I just see right now we are
Speaker 7: so divided partisanally, and you know, the Democrat Party has
Speaker 7: been taken over by this aggressive progressive wing of the party,
Speaker 7: and we see it on the bench. We're seeing it,
Speaker 7: i think, in the prosecutor's office. So I'm not confident
Speaker 7: in her pronouncement. I'd rather we get everything out there, Connie,
Speaker 7: you know, put everything out on the table. Let the
Speaker 7: public see everything.
Speaker 1: This is where for ourselves.
Speaker 7: I mean, people are smart if you show it to them,
Speaker 7: here's what happens, here's how I connect point A to B, two,
Speaker 7: C T D. We don't have that, you know, We've
Speaker 7: got for a lack of a better head. And I
Speaker 7: don't know you fucking heads or you know, people talking
Speaker 7: and saying, here's what the situation is, but we don't.
Speaker 7: We the people don't have that evident to support it
Speaker 7: one way or the other. And that that just doesn't
Speaker 7: give me confidence either way, you know. So I'm not
Speaker 7: taking if you will, I'm not taking Joe Deeer's side.
Speaker 7: I'm not taking Connie Connie Coligen's side.
Speaker 1: Sure, I'm skeptical.
Speaker 7: On both sides.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, she said, she says she doesn't want
Speaker 2: to relitigate this whole thing. But based on what's happened
Speaker 2: in the last four or five days, we I mean,
Speaker 2: we are going to We're not going to relitigate it
Speaker 2: in the courts, obviously, but we're going to reltigate it
Speaker 2: here on the radio and the newspaper, in the court
Speaker 2: of public opinion because of all this information and all
Speaker 2: this back and forth that has been going on, and
Speaker 2: the and the fact that this guy who was on
Speaker 2: death row is is now a freeman, and now he
Speaker 2: can now you know, even even if he came out
Speaker 2: to the point to where he said that that I
Speaker 2: did it, he could still walk away from that.
Speaker 7: No. And I think in a certain sense, this case,
Speaker 7: the way it's been handled one way, whichever way you
Speaker 7: want to take spin you want to put on that
Speaker 7: which the way it's been handled, it needs to be
Speaker 7: put out re litigated, if you will, for the jemt,
Speaker 7: for the public, for Edward Jones, for Rondy Nathan and
Speaker 7: her family.
Speaker 4: I mean in a certain.
Speaker 1: Sense that try on correct. Wasn't there another trial on
Speaker 1: it in December of twenty in twenty twenty two, did
Speaker 1: it not know?
Speaker 7: There was a hearing ok with Judge Cross about whether
Speaker 7: that was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was judge Cross was the was the judge? Okay,
Speaker 1: so that wasn't and that wasn't another trial. It was a.
Speaker 7: Theory. But I just think, you know, you're not going
Speaker 7: to go back into a courtroom and relitigate it. But
Speaker 7: what I think you can do, you know, for mister
Speaker 7: Jones sayings, you know, for the victim's sake, for her family,
Speaker 7: and for the general public, because what is you know,
Speaker 7: is lay it all out there. Just don't tell us
Speaker 7: what her conclusions are. Lay everything out there, subjected to
Speaker 7: the light of day, you know, suscept that to public
Speaker 7: scrup me Because right now what is going on beat
Speaker 7: by Joe Dieters and by Connie Pillage does not exude
Speaker 7: confidence in the judicial system.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I don't care which side of the spectrum you're on,
Speaker 7: it does not. And it's Connie Pillage is going to
Speaker 7: be true to that ethical obligation to do justice. I
Speaker 7: think she now has an obligation, not necessarily an ethical obligation,
Speaker 7: but at least a moral obligation to put it all
Speaker 7: out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Kurt, we're out of time.
Speaker 7: Do me and everybody can see it and we can
Speaker 7: judge for ourselves.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Kurt well said, that's where we need to go.
Speaker 1: Kurt Hartman, local public interest attorney, former Hamilton County judge.
Speaker 1: And we didn't even talk about what he wanted. We
Speaker 1: didn't want to talk. We had but we had breaking
Speaker 1: news as well. And this is why we appreciate our
Speaker 1: legal analyst and you and Steve Gooden and the fantastic
Speaker 1: work that you all do. And I know James Bogan
Speaker 1: as well. This is why we get you and you
Speaker 1: can adjust because you keep up with this stuff. Dan
Speaker 1: and I are together for another week, so maybe we'll
Speaker 1: have you jump back on with us and chat about
Speaker 1: some of the other stuffy. Merry Christmas, my friend.
Speaker 7: You all have a merry Christmas. Your listeners have a
Speaker 7: merry Christmas.
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Speaker 2: I know we're a couple of days away from Christmas
Speaker 2: and tomorrow we'll get into our Christmas mode.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, we had.
Speaker 2: This breaking news today and uh and we I mean,
Speaker 2: we're gonna keeping We had to jump on it.
Speaker 1: He's Dan Caro, I'm Jason Williams.
Speaker 2: By the way in for Eddie and Rocky, and for
Speaker 2: Eddie and Rocky, but you know the whole thing with
Speaker 2: the case against wood Jones being dismissed. We had Connie
Speaker 2: Pilloch on a couple of segments ago, I had the
Speaker 2: judge on, and the judge said, I thought Kurt Hartman,
Speaker 2: former judge, said something I think was very important. He said,
Speaker 2: he said, right now he has no confidence in this
Speaker 2: prosecutor's office and the office of Collie County Pillage is running.
Speaker 1: It's interesting.
Speaker 2: I think that is an important I think the people
Speaker 2: of Hamilton County need to have confidence in the prosecutor's office.
Speaker 2: And this, for lack of a better term, excrement show
Speaker 2: is not not really not really helping to build up
Speaker 2: that company.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's become quite a war, a war of
Speaker 1: words on the these on these airwaves here. As we
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, we've in this past week here on WLW,
Speaker 1: Joe Dieters has come on with Willie uh doctor Lockshmi
Speaker 1: San Marco yesterday with Willie, and then today Connie Pillich
Speaker 1: joined us. So it's good, this is good, this is good,
Speaker 1: and we're and you and I are continuing to touch
Speaker 1: on this story we didn't plan on that necessarily today,
Speaker 1: but we're continuing to hit this from all angles. And
Speaker 1: our latest guest, our next guest is our friend, uh,
Speaker 1: the Inquirer Opinion editor of my colleague at the Inquirer,
Speaker 1: all around awesome guy who I know is following this story,
Speaker 1: and uh, I also enjoy catching him when he fills
Speaker 1: in on Lincoln War Show. Really really really does a
Speaker 1: great job on the on the air. And I know
Speaker 1: you you like to have him on when you host
Speaker 1: the show. Kevin All that's a long winded way of
Speaker 1: saying Kevin Aldritch joined Usnow.
Speaker 2: Kevin, he's taking all your time. Brother, ka kay, how
Speaker 2: are you Merry Christmas?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 7: Hey, I'm doing good.
Speaker 8: I'm used to that, and I sometimes used to do
Speaker 8: combo columns.
Speaker 1: Like Jason was that.
Speaker 7: I get like two in and then everybody'd be like, man,
Speaker 7: Jason chews you up in that argument.
Speaker 8: I'm like, man only got two hundred works.
Speaker 2: Oh, not only is he a Mike call, he hogs
Speaker 2: the he hogs all the space and then the paper too.
Speaker 1: How about that? That's fantastic bur have him step in
Speaker 1: and mediate now, Kevin, Hey, thanks for joining here. Merry Christmas.
Speaker 1: To you and your family and Kevin do We had
Speaker 1: Connie Pelach on a little bit ago, and I know
Speaker 1: you followed this story as head of the Inquire opinion
Speaker 1: page and the editorial board there, and well, I guess
Speaker 1: just opening the question now of the game, what do
Speaker 1: you what do you make of all this? As you've
Speaker 1: as you've heard deaders and and pillag and you've seen
Speaker 1: the case, You've read about it, you've reported on it. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know your sam Marco came out yesterday, Now she
Speaker 1: came back out today, like what are you? What do
Speaker 1: you make of all of this?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 8: So, I think what I've been really kind of disappointed
Speaker 8: and stunned by is is some of the unprofessionalism that
Speaker 8: I've seen in this case. And I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 8: touch on each of the three individuals that you kind
Speaker 8: of talked about. First off, We'll we'll start with the
Speaker 8: latest news, which is, you know, doctor sam Marco's report.
Speaker 8: I just think that that was so egregiously careless on
Speaker 8: her part that to put out information that one you
Speaker 8: didn't conclusively verify, and present it as if you had
Speaker 8: new revelations that changed the dynamics of this case. I
Speaker 8: think it's just gross miss you know, malpractice. You know,
Speaker 8: in her profession as a doctor, you know, you're supposed
Speaker 8: to do no harm. And I think that extends beyond
Speaker 8: just sort of like the physical aspects of caring for
Speaker 8: someone's health. But I think putting out inaccurate information that
Speaker 8: you didn't take a considerable amount of time to verify, Jason.
Speaker 8: You know, if we did something like that in journalism,
Speaker 8: where we were just that careless about putting information out
Speaker 8: there for the public, that would be ground for termination.
Speaker 1: That's the first thingation or maybe termination right out of
Speaker 1: the gate. Yeah, you're exactly right.
Speaker 8: Absolutely so the fact that she did that to me
Speaker 8: is just it's just unconscionable and inexcusable because of what
Speaker 8: it does to both sides of this, no matter whether
Speaker 8: you think Elwood Jones is guilty or innocent. You know,
Speaker 8: the the Nathan family has already been through a lot.
Speaker 8: They're trying to process this decision by the prosecutor, and
Speaker 8: then you throw this out here, and even it was
Speaker 8: even though it was only twenty four hours or whatever,
Speaker 8: to put that family through that again, I think for
Speaker 8: whatever reason the coroner did it. I just think it's
Speaker 8: inexcusable in my opinion. The next thing I kind of
Speaker 8: had an issue with was prosecutor Pillage dismissing the case
Speaker 8: with prejudice. Now she's come out and she said, I
Speaker 8: don't I don't particularly have an opinion on her decision
Speaker 8: to dismiss the case, but I think dismissing it prejudice
Speaker 8: was I think something she didn't have to do because
Speaker 8: it fully closes the door to the possibility of new evidence.
Speaker 8: I mean, if Elwood Jones were to come out today
Speaker 8: and say, you know, hey, I did it, there's nothing
Speaker 8: that could be done on that. You know, he essentially
Speaker 8: can't be charged again. So I'm not going to sit
Speaker 8: here and say that with the evidence that the prosecutor
Speaker 8: talked about, that at a minimum, he would have been
Speaker 8: entitled to a new trial, right. I think, regardless of
Speaker 8: what you think, we should all be in the interest
Speaker 8: of seeing justice done. And if somebody hasn't gotten a
Speaker 8: completely fair trial where they're going to be sentenced to
Speaker 8: death beyond a reasonable doubt, and we find out that,
Speaker 8: you know, some evidence was being withheld, critical evidence that
Speaker 8: might have suayed a jury. Other persons of interest who
Speaker 8: may or may not have been investigated, and the defense
Speaker 8: doesn't know about that or have an opportunity to explore
Speaker 8: that all of those things could have resulted in a
Speaker 8: different verdict. They're dynamic in the court case, and so
Speaker 8: whether you're a fan of Joe Dieters or not, none
Speaker 8: of that matters. I think sometimes we get caught up
Speaker 8: in these personalities in the politics when our overarching concerns
Speaker 8: should be getting justice done right, and if that means
Speaker 8: that prosecutors didn't follow the rules and do all of
Speaker 8: the right things, then we need to be up there
Speaker 8: behind to make sure that they're doing that, that they're
Speaker 8: turning over all of the evidence. So potentially, you know,
Speaker 8: if you do have a bad person or a bad
Speaker 8: guy who commits something that they don't get off on
Speaker 8: a technicality or something because you didn't follow the rules.
Speaker 8: So I think we're.
Speaker 1: Selective in terms of.
Speaker 8: When we want to see a full airing and vetting
Speaker 8: of the case. Because there have been other cases and
Speaker 8: I haven't agreed with every decision prosecutor Pillage has made,
Speaker 8: and I've written about a few of those, but I
Speaker 8: think in those cases, some of the same people who
Speaker 8: are screaming about Elwood Jones had no problem with prosecutor
Speaker 8: pivileage not releasing all of the facts, putting things out there.
Speaker 8: So I think we cherry pick when we want to
Speaker 8: see justice done and when we want to see a
Speaker 8: full airing and transparency from the prosecutors or whomever in
Speaker 8: a case. And that's what frustrates me is sort of
Speaker 8: the hypocrisy and the politics.
Speaker 1: That revolves around that.
Speaker 8: Our main concern should be justice and making sure that
Speaker 8: we're holding everybody in that process accountable.
Speaker 1: Kevin Aldridge, Inquire Opinion Editor, you are tying it all
Speaker 1: together here so beautifully. That's the voice of reason on
Speaker 1: this on you know, man, when we got Connie Pilich earlier,
Speaker 1: we had just gotten a very convoluted and Dan read
Speaker 1: it on the air, and I'm still my head spinning
Speaker 1: from San Marco's statement. And for you to come in
Speaker 1: here and lay you've answered even some of the questions
Speaker 1: that I that I had had, you know, just about
Speaker 1: kind of the bigger picture of all this, laying it
Speaker 1: out there. And I know Dan is itching to get
Speaker 1: a question into you, so I'm gonna turn it over
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, what you just said, Kevin Aldrich was
Speaker 2: was very well said, and we should as a community
Speaker 2: demand better from those elected representatives that we have, be
Speaker 2: it in the prosecutor's office or be it in the
Speaker 2: in the coroner's office. I think Lakshmi Smarco has built
Speaker 2: up a lot of goodwill and has enjoyed a really
Speaker 2: good reputation, but this is a this is a stain
Speaker 2: on that reputation. The way she she went about this.
Speaker 2: When I was listening to her on this radio station yesterday,
Speaker 2: it seemed as if she was, you know, a little
Speaker 2: bit tepid when when asked some of the questions and
Speaker 2: responding to some of the questions. And then we coobe
Speaker 2: come to find out today that she, you know, may
Speaker 2: have made him although she doesn't admit that she made
Speaker 2: a mistake in this statement, but it certainly you can
Speaker 2: connect the dots there, and she's saying, look, we got
Speaker 2: this record over here, in this record over here, you know,
Speaker 2: and it came out the way the way it did.
Speaker 2: But Kurt Hartman said something that I think is very
Speaker 2: important that he said as it relates to the prosecutor's office,
Speaker 2: and he said, you know, he doesn't have a lot
Speaker 2: of confidence in this prosecutor's office right now, and I
Speaker 2: think the way Yeah, you know, I asked Connie Pilichis
Speaker 2: on the air. She said that she surprised the coroner
Speaker 2: would rush to judgment before having a conversation with the
Speaker 2: prosecutor's office. Well, didn't she come to this judgment before
Speaker 2: she had a conversation with Joe Dieters, before she had
Speaker 2: a conversation with Mark pete Meyer, who tried the case.
Speaker 2: And then she suggested that, well, you know, I don't
Speaker 2: know if they'll remember it. I don't know, but it
Speaker 2: just seems to me maybe as a professional courtesy, just
Speaker 2: to make sure all your eyes are dotted and your
Speaker 2: teas across that you might want to talk to the prosecutor,
Speaker 2: the people who tried the case and say, look, here's
Speaker 2: my theory on this, let's see if it holds water.
Speaker 2: It just seems to me that would be a standard
Speaker 2: step you might want to take. No, I don't I
Speaker 2: don't disagree with that. I I think that goes to
Speaker 2: the point that I was making about dotting every eye
Speaker 2: and crossing every team. When you're going to make big
Speaker 2: decisions or big declarations, or hold a press conference or
Speaker 2: put out a press release.
Speaker 1: This is just my thought.
Speaker 8: You want to make sure that you've checked off all
Speaker 8: of the boxes because you know where the criticisms and
Speaker 8: the second guessing and all of that is going to
Speaker 8: be coming from. I try to think about this when
Speaker 8: I write a column. I try to think about, Okay,
Speaker 8: what are all of the ways that the people who
Speaker 8: disagree with me are going to try to dissect my argument.
Speaker 8: I try to do my best to try to address
Speaker 8: those things. I think when you're in public office in
Speaker 8: these big cases, you know, checking off those boxes. So
Speaker 8: obviously she's the prosecutor. She has the prerogative of who
Speaker 8: she wants to contact and all of that. But I
Speaker 8: would think that in the interests of trying to insulate yourself.
Speaker 4: Even if you don't even if you talk.
Speaker 8: To Joe Dieters or whomever and say and they say
Speaker 8: you've got it wrong, you shouldn't do this, there's nothing
Speaker 8: that says that she still couldn't have come through with
Speaker 8: the same decision. But then she could say, hey, look
Speaker 8: we at least talked to these individuals. Now here's what
Speaker 8: I will say. I wanted to say this because there
Speaker 8: was a third leg of my initial statement.
Speaker 1: I didn't get to Joe Diaters.
Speaker 8: I understand Joe Deaters wants to defend himself his reputation
Speaker 8: in his office, but I really felt he was a
Speaker 8: Supreme Court justice now and I kind of feel like
Speaker 8: what he did in coming out and making these comments
Speaker 8: was beneath the office, was beneath the robe. I thought
Speaker 8: Joe Deaders should have just he's not the prosecutor anymore,
Speaker 8: and I think he should have just withheld the dignity
Speaker 8: of that office. There are other folks, there are other
Speaker 8: folks who are going to come out and defend him
Speaker 8: and fight for him and all of that.
Speaker 1: All of that different. Let those individuals.
Speaker 8: Do that and honor the robe, honor the office that
Speaker 8: you're in now. And I just think, as I think
Speaker 8: as a Supreme Court justice, to come out and just
Speaker 8: kind of comment on this, I thought that was another
Speaker 8: level of unprofessionalism that bothered me a little bit.
Speaker 1: I don't have anything.
Speaker 8: I don't have anything against Joe Deear's I've talked to
Speaker 8: him a few times and my time with the inquir
Speaker 8: I think he's a pleasant guy. That's not the issue.
Speaker 8: But this is the issue of that is he's a
Speaker 8: Supreme Court justice, and I just felt like him coming
Speaker 8: out and feeling the need that he had to defend
Speaker 8: himself in his office that he no longer occupies. I
Speaker 8: just kind of felt like was a little bit beneath
Speaker 8: the office, a little bit beneath the dignity of the role.
Speaker 4: But that was just my opinion.
Speaker 1: Kevin Aldridge since then Choirer Opinion editor. Check out his
Speaker 1: columns on Cincinnati dot com, including you wrote a really
Speaker 1: awesome piece recently on the mayor aft have pure balls
Speaker 1: the repossession of his vehicle. When you talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: looking and thinking through all these pieces and the nuance
Speaker 1: you nailed it. That was a model of Kevin's columns.
Speaker 1: And always appreciate your opinions, even when I don't agree
Speaker 1: with them. Go check out his columns. Kevin Well said
Speaker 1: here today we got to get to a trafficking weather,
Speaker 1: but I want to wish you your wife, your family,
Speaker 1: and merry Christmas. And really appreciate you bringing that kind
Speaker 1: of overall viewpoint and touching on everything as regarding rate okayspective.
Speaker 1: Thanks Kevin Well, Thank you guys.
Speaker 7: Same to you guys.
Speaker 9: Appreciate you having me see it. There you go, job,
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Speaker 1: I should I should be out there today. It's a
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Speaker 1: I didn't have to wear my coat today. Right, you
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Speaker 1: You impressed me as a guy that probably doesn't wear
Speaker 1: a coat unless it's negative ten degrees, it's out in
Speaker 1: the car. Are you what do you? You used to
Speaker 1: probably be one of those guys that were shorts too
Speaker 1: in the winter, right, No, you know what, No, I've
Speaker 1: never done that. Had a guy. I have friends that
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Speaker 1: guy in the newsroom for years. It's twenty below and
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Speaker 1: always wear shorts in for the night shift copy editing
Speaker 1: night shift. Anyway, we are what a show. As Dan said,
Speaker 1: we have continued on with this. Elwood Jones wrote a
Speaker 1: Nathan case and if you missed this, catch it on
Speaker 1: the iHeartMedia app. In the podcasts, we had Hamilton County
Speaker 1: Prosecutor County Pillach on earlier. Then we had former Hamilton
Speaker 1: County Judge Kurt Hartman, and we had an Inquire Opinion
Speaker 1: editor Kevin Aldridge really covering this story from all different angles,
Speaker 1: and the latest being that the coroner came out today
Speaker 1: locksheby San Marcos saying after a further review, essentially I
Speaker 1: misspoke yesterday. That essentially what she's saying, Yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: mean she's not really saying she made a mistake. She writes, yesterday,
Speaker 1: I issued a press release based upon information contained in
Speaker 1: our case file for Rodea Nathan. It consisted of a
Speaker 1: single negative hepatitis B result dated nine, sixteen ninety four
Speaker 1: covered on twelve, eighteen, twenty five. Attempts were made to
Speaker 1: coroborate those findings with medical records from Trihalth, as well
Speaker 1: as additional attempts to contact the testing laboratory. Failing that,
Speaker 1: we communicated with her family trying to obtain additional medical information. Then,
Speaker 1: she says, today, I'm in receipt of a document titled
Speaker 1: Microbiology Reference Laboratory test Report provided by Attorney David Hine.
Speaker 1: In that document, there are reference numbers that correspond with
Speaker 1: our autopsy and death record numbers. Additionally, in the body
Speaker 1: of the report there's a reference to a cadaver specimen.
Speaker 1: The printed result states that the blood specimen was hepatitis
Speaker 1: B surface antigen positive. Considering the correlation of the numbers
Speaker 1: on the report with our records, it appears that this
Speaker 1: is the actual hepatitis B test result for Rhoda Nathan.
Speaker 1: So essentially, she's saying that wrote A Nathan tested positive
Speaker 1: for hepatitis right now, and he's ignil just trying to
Speaker 1: make the case that if she was positive for hepatitis,
Speaker 1: then necessarily Elwood Jones would have tested positive for hepatitis
Speaker 1: hepatitis P. Elwood Jones did not test positive for hepatitis P.
Speaker 1: Connie Pillach and and what she didn't clarify during our
Speaker 1: conversation was that she said, uh, you know, in uh
Speaker 1: in her when she made the had the press conference
Speaker 1: that she was releasing him from that she was dismissing
Speaker 1: the case. She said, new medical testing or new medical
Speaker 1: tests or tests that are available, and I don't remember
Speaker 1: the exact phrasing, uh, you know, eliminates him as a suspect.
Speaker 1: And Joe Dieters makes the point afterwards that he said,
Speaker 1: he said, here's here's what Joe Dieters wrote to her
Speaker 1: first here claim that modern day medical testing excluded Jones
Speaker 1: from the murder, and Dieter says, it is demonstrably untrue.
Speaker 1: You stated that because Ms Nathan had hepatitis, Jones would
Speaker 1: have necessarily have contracted it had he been the perpetrator.
Speaker 1: Yet the defenses own paid expert testified there was only
Speaker 1: a thirty three percent chance Jones would have contracted hepatitis.
Speaker 1: Even if he were the person to beat her to death,
Speaker 1: a thirty three percent probability of transmission isn't is not exclusion.
Speaker 1: So that is Joe Dieters responding to this. I mean,
Speaker 1: and he did this days ago before this information came out.
Speaker 1: So this whole thing about hepatitis be to my way
Speaker 1: of thinking the case and the innocence of the day Dan,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's again criminal justice. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's the most important from what I'm hearing. I'm just
Speaker 1: that's my question, is that was it ultimately that major
Speaker 1: of a thing to the whole case who had it
Speaker 1: and who didn't have heppatitis B.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's the most compelling element of this case. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a it's an element, yes, But is it the
Speaker 2: I don't think it's the most important. I don't think
Speaker 2: it's the most compelling. I don't think the guilt or
Speaker 2: innocence hinges on this fact being true or not true.
Speaker 1: Well, we want to we've spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: on this. You've heard us talk about it, you've heard
Speaker 1: others talk about it. We want to give you a
Speaker 1: chance to talk about it. The phone lines are filling
Speaker 1: up five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand is
Speaker 1: a big one. And uh, you know what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: We've already got a bunch of people on whole, but
Speaker 1: no one has been a whole longer than Pete uh
Speaker 1: in Lebanon. Who wants to weigh on Pete? What you got?
Speaker 4: Gentlemen, thanks for taking my call, and Merry Christmas.
Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, and it's time to celebrate on a couple
Speaker 1: of days ago. Right, I think you did it.
Speaker 4: Okay, you stole one of my points by saying, what
Speaker 4: difference does it make if either one of them had hepatitis? Right,
Speaker 4: even though it's very contagious, If if if the you know,
Speaker 4: the so called criminal had it and she didn't have it,
Speaker 4: or vice versa, what what difference does that make with
Speaker 4: a conviction with a thirty percent, you know whatever rate
Speaker 4: of getting of catching it?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: So you guys also missed an opportunity to ask the prosecutor,
Speaker 4: all right, if this guy didn't do it, who the
Speaker 4: hell did it? And do we have a murderer out
Speaker 4: there that's roam in the streets.
Speaker 2: Well, if you if well, if you listen to the
Speaker 2: US when we were speaking to her and thanks. She
Speaker 2: brought up the suggestion that there were other there a
Speaker 2: witness or other witness statements that were not fully explored.
Speaker 2: And she alluded to this idea that somehow the work
Speaker 2: was not thorough, or the work might have been a
Speaker 2: little bit sloppy or a little bit careless.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Let you, however, you wanted to describe it. And I just,
Speaker 2: you know, making that sort of reference to the work
Speaker 2: that had been done by Joe Dieters and the people
Speaker 2: that worked for him over the years that I covered
Speaker 2: his office and saw them in action on a daily basis.
Speaker 2: That does not jive with my own eyewitness accounts of
Speaker 2: how I saw these people work over the years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go to Kate, who wants to weigh in
Speaker 1: about the hepatitis BE topic. Hey, Kate, Hi, I.
Speaker 6: Was an infection control supervisor for hospitals here in Cincinnati
Speaker 6: for years. And Joe Dieters, it sounds like he's got
Speaker 6: either an infectious disease doc or an epidemiologist who supports
Speaker 6: this thirty three percent chance of transmission versus sixty six
Speaker 6: percent not And when Mark introduced the hepatitis V vaccine
Speaker 6: years ago, I worked the er before that, and if
Speaker 6: it was one hundred percent transmission, all of us would
Speaker 6: have had it, because before AIDS or the HIV virus,
Speaker 6: we were none of us wore gloves.
Speaker 3: Everybody was up to.
Speaker 6: Their elbows in blood in the er. And when Mark
Speaker 6: introduced the vaccine, they did assays of nursing personnel in
Speaker 6: various hospital departments, and they thought the highest rate would
Speaker 6: be in ther where you're up to your elbows in blood,
Speaker 6: but they were gloved, and they were about a nineteen
Speaker 6: percent trans Nursing personnel were positive antigen assays. But the er,
Speaker 6: where nobody wore gloves and weighed right into accident victims
Speaker 6: and everything else, I think they were more like about
Speaker 6: twenty oh god, they were like twenty three percent or
Speaker 6: something or twenty six. So again, we all would have
Speaker 6: had it if it was one hundred percent transmission. And
Speaker 6: I'm just curious to a certain extent that this prosecutor
Speaker 6: won't disclose why she's so convinced. And I'm sorry it
Speaker 6: raises kind of the vaccine nonsense from you know, the
Speaker 6: COVID where people told us, oh, it stays in your arm,
Speaker 6: it doesn't go anywhere. It's like, I'm sorry, it's fluid.
Speaker 6: A body is over eighty percent fluid. You're not going
Speaker 6: to be able to keep it in your upper arm,
Speaker 6: you jerk.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 2: When Joe Dieters writes that the defense's own paid expert
Speaker 2: testified there was only a thirty three percent chance the
Speaker 2: Jones would have contracted hepatitis beat if he were the
Speaker 2: person who beat her to death, you're telling me that
Speaker 2: that statement rings true with you based on your knowledge
Speaker 2: and your experience.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, yeah, because again, yeah, we all would have
Speaker 6: had it if it was one hundred percent transmission. And
Speaker 6: if anybody opens up, you know, any of the research
Speaker 6: about hepatitis B antigen transmission, I think that's what they're
Speaker 6: going to find. I don't think those numbers changed over
Speaker 6: the last twenty five years.
Speaker 3: So you know, let's set it up.
Speaker 6: A demiologist and an infectious disease talk. We have them
Speaker 6: in Cincinnati, say can testify.
Speaker 1: Good call, Kate, great call. Yeah, thank you for hanging
Speaker 1: in there and staying on hold forever. And uh, it's
Speaker 1: always great to have all of our callers. We appreciate,
Speaker 1: but it's great to do with someone who has an
Speaker 1: expertise area, who hears us and picks up the phone
Speaker 1: and calls, and.
Speaker 2: She makes she makes an excellent point. So you know,
Speaker 2: she was in an environment where that stuff is flying
Speaker 2: around and you're working in it all day long, right,
Speaker 2: and and she said, you know, said, what were the numbers?
Speaker 2: There were what less than twenty percent? So speaks for itself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, guess what we're going to do, Dan, a little
Speaker 1: trafficking weather together, and we're going to hit it on time.
Speaker 1: This time, we got more calls on hold. We're going
Speaker 1: to keep taking calls, So hang in there, take more
Speaker 1: call trafficking weather. What do we got? Jason Williams alongside
Speaker 1: Dan Carroll in for Eddie and Rocky. What a show
Speaker 1: it's been, Dan, And we'll be here tomorrow. Wrong Christmas Eve,
Speaker 1: and we got some specials saying we're gonna lighten it
Speaker 1: up a little bit tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about Christmas movies. Christmas, We're going
Speaker 2: to talk about Christmas songs and Christmas movies. Yes, so
Speaker 2: I want the American people to think about what Christmas.
Speaker 2: We did this last year and came up with a
Speaker 2: lot of really interesting Christmas songs and a lot of
Speaker 2: them that I had not heard before, and we played
Speaker 2: little snippets of it, and some of them were really
Speaker 2: good because our callers called in and yeah, let us
Speaker 2: know on some of those. So, Liam, are you going
Speaker 2: to be here? Liam's you got to be ready, man,
Speaker 2: But those callers, you got to look up them songs.
Speaker 1: Man, you ready for it. He's locked in. He's locked in,
Speaker 1: he says. And by the way, tis the season, Dan,
Speaker 1: And you know what, you know what season it is?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: You tell me?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: For the state to release their rejected license plates? Is
Speaker 1: that an annual thing?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Do they do that every year? And I love The
Speaker 1: Inquirer gets these every year since I dot com and
Speaker 1: they put them up. And this year they put them.
Speaker 1: I love they put it in a photo gallery and
Speaker 1: they put it on the template of the Ohio license plate.
Speaker 1: There's a list. It's great. Heeey Brown did this at
Speaker 1: the inquire since II dot com And uh, this is
Speaker 1: this is a lot of fun. Now, I know, we'll
Speaker 1: read off the lettering and the numbers here. We can't
Speaker 1: say some there's a couple of them.
Speaker 2: You don't yeah, phonetically, you don't want to do the
Speaker 2: whole the whole biscuit there because we have a license
Speaker 2: to them.
Speaker 1: That's exactly. But we can just we can just basically
Speaker 1: list off the the license plate number that was rejected.
Speaker 1: My good friend Charlie, Charlie Norman, who is the registrar
Speaker 1: of You know, Charlie.
Speaker 2: I don't think I do. Yeah, I think we've talked
Speaker 2: about him before, but I don't think. I don't think.
Speaker 1: Cincinnati guy Charlie originally what was his stuff? Well, he's
Speaker 1: from he's from Cincinnati and he went to Xavier. UH
Speaker 1: and he what did he do before he became registrar.
Speaker 1: I think he did some stuff in the wine's office.
Speaker 1: But anyway, it's funny. H Charlie Norman, by the way,
Speaker 1: great guy. Uh. He sends us a Christmas card every
Speaker 1: year of him and his two sons and my wife
Speaker 1: the other day says, Who's who's this? Like we get
Speaker 1: a car? I was like, and every year I tell her,
Speaker 1: I was like, pull out your license and look at
Speaker 1: the name on the license, and it's that guy. So anyway,
Speaker 1: Charlie Norman and crewe denied UH. And this is the
Speaker 1: annual denial of UH. These are actual, real, real license
Speaker 1: plate request he does not strike me as a vanity
Speaker 1: plate kind of guy.
Speaker 2: No, I think it's dumb. You don't strike me as
Speaker 2: one either. Tricia Mackie used to have one. I don't
Speaker 2: know if she still does, but I know when we
Speaker 2: worked at Fox nineteen together, she had a anti plate
Speaker 2: that read n w S in w S National Weather
Speaker 2: Service News and for news and had a letter to
Speaker 2: and then it said me to me, news to me.
Speaker 1: Okay. I don't know if she still has it on
Speaker 1: her on her vehicle or not, but well, you know
Speaker 1: I can read this one. I can read this. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start off, Dan, and you've got you've got it
Speaker 1: up here, You've got it right in front of it,
Speaker 1: so you know what, I'm gonna take the I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take the easy one here.
Speaker 2: And I do want to say the fact that they
Speaker 2: printed these out to look like they're an actual Ohio
Speaker 2: license plate, the visual makes them a lot more understanding.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So I would encourage if you want to go
Speaker 1: look at this since the nay dot com and just
Speaker 1: type in license plates like that's what I did, and
Speaker 1: it pops right, you'll find it. So I'm gonna start
Speaker 1: with this one, Dan, because I could say this and
Speaker 1: on the air, and it's spelled out just as the
Speaker 1: words spell it. Old fart. You should say that on me.
Speaker 1: The old park got denied olda what now?
Speaker 8: What now?
Speaker 1: Why? Why would you deny that one? That's a good question.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's look, it's something that people say
Speaker 2: all the time. It's there's a there's a little bit.
Speaker 2: I just called you that at the break. It's probably
Speaker 2: it's probably.
Speaker 1: Thanks.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, it's self deprecating. Yes, if if
Speaker 2: you're the elderly person that's that's driving the vehicle, Hey,
Speaker 2: how old are you, William? I'm old as dirt, right old? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you hear people say that all the time. So I
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know why that would get rejected.
Speaker 2: What this next one too? Why would this one have
Speaker 2: gotten rejected?
Speaker 1: H V? The number so the letter h VS in Victor,
Speaker 1: let the letter or the number two and then P
Speaker 1: O O P that one's not I mean, I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, I guess it's stupid, but you know everyone
Speaker 1: has to do that at time from time to time.
Speaker 1: And then uh, well, I'm gonna let you read something
Speaker 1: somebody I don't even know. I can't we might need
Speaker 1: help on this one. If someone wants to call out,
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. We have to take that
Speaker 1: call off.
Speaker 7: There.
Speaker 1: I got the dumb button here, I'm ready to go.
Speaker 1: It's all letters f T H M k D S
Speaker 1: f T H.
Speaker 3: M k D.
Speaker 2: I mean, I look at this and I think you
Speaker 2: got it. Yes, you know what it is? I and again,
Speaker 2: did we know what it was before we stought we
Speaker 2: went on the air with this because we were talking.
Speaker 1: About it off the air. I think I figured it out,
Speaker 1: but I didn't share with you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean if if I'm on Jeopardy, I could not
Speaker 2: solve the puzzle.
Speaker 1: On this one. I think it's uh, I think it's
Speaker 1: bleep them kids, I think is what it is. I
Speaker 1: think so.
Speaker 2: Anyway it can I don't know. I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's not jumping out that. This one did not jump
Speaker 2: out at me either initially, but after some discussion before
Speaker 2: we got on the air, I can see it now.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: Here here are all the letters M I L F
Speaker 1: mb L. Yes, M I L F M b L.
Speaker 1: And we we don't want your calls on this, by
Speaker 1: the way, We just wanted to enjoy, enjoy the enjoy
Speaker 1: the Christmas gift that I'm trying to hide license dates
Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio.
Speaker 2: If you're driving seventy miles an hour across for Fort
Speaker 2: Washington Way, how how hard is that to visualize?
Speaker 1: What the hell is these guys talking about? Right, we
Speaker 1: are talking about this is not us that we are
Speaker 1: talking about the denied license plate vanity license plate requests
Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio in twenty twenty five that
Speaker 1: h my good bud Charlie Norman said, Nah, baby, nah,
Speaker 1: we're not doing those. Here's another one for you. Dank
Speaker 1: the letters. I'm spelling it out f D T m
Speaker 1: U s K.
Speaker 2: I think I know what that one means. I think
Speaker 2: I think that is for someone. And again now that
Speaker 2: there was one here, if even though that does not
Speaker 2: suit me in a political sense, if if I was
Speaker 2: making the call on this, I'd probably let that one
Speaker 2: slide because there's going to be just as many aimed
Speaker 2: at the other Canada on the the you know, the
Speaker 2: other on the other side.
Speaker 1: And I think I think last year's had I think
Speaker 1: last year did last year's did have a it's not
Speaker 1: a great Biden one similar let's go Brandon. Was there
Speaker 1: a let's go brand. I think the last year and
Speaker 1: I got the nied to. I believe it did, all right.
Speaker 2: Well, if you're going to deny it for some, then
Speaker 2: deny it for all. I guess what I'm saying. Be
Speaker 2: consistent in this regard. Yes, you see, you want me
Speaker 2: to give you another, and you got one for me. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's see, I want to want I'm just scrolling back
Speaker 2: up to the top because it was like the second
Speaker 2: or third one that I wasn't sure I've got.
Speaker 1: Another one on here Dan that I'm like, you mean later, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: this is one where I'm like, why would you deny this?
Speaker 1: Especially like let law enforcement? No, right, this person's request
Speaker 1: was l u V l u V m E t
Speaker 1: H love me love meth. Now why now now to me?
Speaker 1: Like you know what, hey, buddy, you want you want
Speaker 1: love meth in your lisis plate. Nothing like putting a
Speaker 1: target on your back by by law enforcement. So okay, there, pal, hey,
Speaker 1: look at me, I love myth. Look at me I
Speaker 1: love hey.
Speaker 2: You swear you swerve in a little bit there, follow
Speaker 2: me around there you go, gee. I don't think it's
Speaker 2: fair they fall let me around all over the place right,
Speaker 2: MAYD be like and uh and goodfellas when Rayleiot is
Speaker 2: driving around the helicopter's following around the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what else you got? I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2: I have no clue what this is. P m p
Speaker 2: O l g y p M p O l g
Speaker 2: y p m p O l g y O l
Speaker 2: g and p m P could stand.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I don't know what that one. I couldn't
Speaker 1: figure that one. Yeah, that's a that's a tough one.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe are they just rejected because they're too
Speaker 1: hard to figure out? I don't know. Maybe that one is.
Speaker 1: Some of these are pretty.
Speaker 2: Because I can see I can see where if you're
Speaker 2: driving behind someone and you see that license plate, can
Speaker 2: you get distracted by that? You're like, oh man, I'm
Speaker 2: trying to figure out that license plate. In the meantime,
Speaker 2: you're not paying attention to, you know, the squirrel crossing
Speaker 2: the road or the red light or something like that.
Speaker 1: Did we say this one? L eight A A G N.
Speaker 1: And that's the top one on the on the on
Speaker 1: the photo gallery at the Sina dot com L one's
Speaker 1: that one's not too hard on L eight a F
Speaker 1: A g N. Yeah, laid again, I see if you
Speaker 1: just you're just not included the skipped over the middle,
Speaker 1: if you just not included a couple of letters, I
Speaker 1: would again would have been I would bet I would
Speaker 1: bet there's an L eight A G. Is it a
Speaker 1: G N at.
Speaker 2: The Yeah, I would bet there's one out there that
Speaker 2: I would Here's one. I have no no clue at all.
Speaker 2: I T that one.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 10: Yeah, b R I T B I T b R
Speaker 10: I T B I have I have no.
Speaker 1: I can't figure that one out.
Speaker 2: And there's a space between the I T and then
Speaker 2: the B R I T and the space between the
Speaker 2: T and the B.
Speaker 1: Yes, that makes not working for me. No, I have
Speaker 1: no idea. Let's see what else we got here. Okay,
Speaker 1: how about this one? Uh? Oh?
Speaker 2: And again A three? There's a six letters, three sets
Speaker 2: of two letters. Here we go O, N M Y
Speaker 2: B S oh so on my B S. I have
Speaker 2: no idea what the BS stands for? Well, I mean
Speaker 2: I know a BS, but right, I mean on my yeah,
Speaker 2: that does That doesn't sound like a familiar phrase.
Speaker 1: I've never heard that. But anyway, we've gone through those these.
Speaker 1: If you want to read more Coda Cincinni dot com.
Speaker 1: They've got them all, a bunch of fifteen or twenty
Speaker 1: more and you can interpret it however you want to,
Speaker 1: but we're not going to share those on the air.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Dan, great work with you today. We're back
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