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Speaker 1: All right, it's see Eddie Rocky Show. Eddie Rocky out

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Speaker 1: Jason Williams alongside my partner in pod Dan Carol. How

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Speaker 1: are we looking, brother, good? You're already I'm good man.

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Speaker 1: You came in here hot. Let me know you're you're

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Speaker 1: ready to play some golf tomorrow as this weather is

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Speaker 1: heating up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, buddy of mine, buddy of mine contacted me earlier today,

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Speaker 2: so we got tea times for tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I said, I'm there, go win some money, my friend.

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Speaker 2: So so my I'm gonna say this right up front.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna lean on you tomorrow for show prep. I've

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Speaker 2: already been working my friend already been working it. I've

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Speaker 2: already go enjoy, go enjoy there your time at the

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Speaker 2: golf court. I'll show prep tonight. I show prepped all

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Speaker 2: day today. I'll show prep tonight.

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Speaker 1: Them you know what, I got an easy way for

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Speaker 1: your show prop Just just ask Ai Ai Ai? Who

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Speaker 1: should I? What should I do for my radio show tomorrow?

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Speaker 1: I mean, is that? Is that what you do?

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Speaker 2: I am using AI sparingly now when I want to

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Speaker 2: get some get some facts or some background on some stuff.

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Speaker 2: But I have not asked it to create anything for me.

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Speaker 1: Well, interesting, you bring this up because we have our

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Speaker 1: official Eddie and Rocky a oh, I did, okay, the

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Speaker 1: main our official AI correspondent of the Eddie and Rocky Show,

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Speaker 1: our good friend Dave Hatter, who as long ago gotten

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Speaker 1: rid of his tinfoil hat because he it's officially everything

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Speaker 1: he says is true.

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Speaker 2: Well you you asked the first question, because I'm going

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Speaker 2: to be busy responding to this text message.

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Speaker 1: It says we dropped the ball on that one, Dave,

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Speaker 1: Dave Hatter mayor Merry Christmas? How are you.

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Speaker 3: Merry Christmas? Birth? I'm good, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 3: I took the day off. And Jason, you may be

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Speaker 3: too young to appreciate this. The damn will. I just

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Speaker 3: watched the original Alice Cooper Band how about that Songs

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Speaker 3: for Christmas Pudding event the other night. It's pretty awesome.

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Speaker 1: Really, I'll get much better than that. Well, it's funny

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Speaker 1: because Alice Cooper, when I was a kid, was seen

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Speaker 1: as like, oh man, like he's like one of those

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Speaker 1: satan heavy rocker guys, and like he's about as normal

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Speaker 1: in that world as you get, speaking of a normal. Well,

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Speaker 1: they dan just mentioned there about using Ai. I did

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Speaker 1: not do this in thinking we were going to have

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Speaker 1: you this week, but over the weekend, Dave Hatter, I

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Speaker 1: was looking to make a special logo for a special

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Speaker 1: baseball team. And I'm like, oh, you know what, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I have a co pilot on my laptop up.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, and I took the plunge.

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Speaker 1: I used AI for the first time, and I got

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Speaker 1: I am I am fascinated by it. And not only that.

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Speaker 1: So then I turned around, just you know, an hour ago,

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Speaker 1: find a template. No, I go back to AI boom.

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Speaker 1: Five minutes later, we got it all tweaked. It's good

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Speaker 1: to go, ready to print out, Dave Hatter, I have

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Speaker 1: crossed the threshold. I found the AI am I am?

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Speaker 1: I Is that a good thing for me to be

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Speaker 1: using that? Or is it? Is it stealing all of

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Speaker 1: my info as I'm doing this and it's going to

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Speaker 3: Well, possibly some combination of both. Like most technology, Jason,

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Speaker 3: you know, it depends on the platform. You know. Here's

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Speaker 3: the thing with AI where it stands today. Now, you know,

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Speaker 1: And I thought this was pretty harmless and it was fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it really can be useful. Again, as long as

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Speaker 2: You know, Dave, There used to be a saying back

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Speaker 2: in the the relatively early days of computing called geigo

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Speaker 2: garbage in garbage out right.

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Speaker 2: I think I think that same basic principle still applies.

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Speaker 2: And I caught this story the other day when I

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Speaker 2: it turns out Merriam Webster Dictionary has chosen their year,

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Speaker 2: you know it, Dave.

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Speaker 1: Flop slop?

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Speaker 3: I do know it? Ye slop?

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Speaker 2: Or yeah, AI generated junk? Tell me about that? Tell

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Speaker 2: me about slop. I think that's a cool term because

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's still sad. That sounds to me like

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Speaker 3: You know, when these large language models get trained. Again,

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Speaker 3: least on this particular path. There are different types of AI,

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Speaker 3: Now again, you know, I only know what I read

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Speaker 3: and what I see, and I've seen evidence of the

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Speaker 3: But that's want to go back and say, when you

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Speaker 1: our tech guy here on the Eddie and Rocky Show

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Speaker 1: speaking of sloping garbage. It is prime Christmas fishing season

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad to ask about that, Jason, because the

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Speaker 1: Dave always great stuff. Always appreciate uh. Whether I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: You were, Dave. You were as Eddie as Eddie. As

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the Corner did not uncover any new information about

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Speaker 5: Case, No, because there was a lot of other evidence

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Speaker 2: Well, Mark Mark Pete Meyer, who tried the case, was

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Speaker 1: Well, we're not.

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Speaker 5: Well, what we do know, and what is a stand

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Speaker 2: Joe Dieters was it was his office. He was the

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Speaker 2: prosecutor at the time that this case was going on.

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Speaker 2: And you talk about in the statement that you put

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Speaker 2: out that prosecutor pillage a surprise the coroner would rush

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Speaker 2: to judgment before having a conversation with the prosecutor's office. Well,

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Speaker 2: didn't you do the same thing. Didn't you come to

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Speaker 2: your conclusion on this before you had a conversation with

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Speaker 2: Joe Deaters and Mark Pete Meyer specifically about this case?

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Speaker 1: You did? Are are you saying you contacted them?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Well why not? Why would?

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Speaker 5: You're having a lot of fun with me. So I'll

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Speaker 5: try to respond. But look, it's not appropriate for me

447
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Speaker 5: to contact a justice of the Ohio Supreme Court about

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Speaker 5: a case that he may or may not have remembered

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Speaker 5: long ago.

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Speaker 3: And it's not.

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Speaker 5: Appropriate for me to talk to me because of you.

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Speaker 5: Let me finish. The court will speak through the evidence

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Speaker 5: that was collect I don't need somebody's opinion. I need

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Speaker 5: the evidence because I can't go on somebody's opinion or

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Speaker 5: their emotional feelings about how hard they worked and how

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Speaker 5: hard they tried to do the right thing. What I

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Speaker 5: need to go through is to create the case transcripts

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Speaker 5: and the court filings and the evidence that was collected.

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm allowed to do, and that's my duty

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Speaker 5: to do. This is not supposed to be a gossip

461
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Speaker 5: chain now. And when you talk about the corner, you know,

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Speaker 5: we work together all the time, and I don't know

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Speaker 5: why she didn't talk to me. First of all, I'm

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Speaker 5: her lawyer, this office is the lawyer of the coroner's office.

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Speaker 5: But also we are collaborators in the law enforcement community

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Speaker 5: and we have done so before, so she can only

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Speaker 5: answer those questions. But look, the thing is a victim

468
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Speaker 5: and her family are still without justice. There's no excuse

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Speaker 5: to get the facts wrong without being deliberate as deliberate

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Speaker 5: as I try to do, and I'm confident that my

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Speaker 5: team and I came to the right conclusion. You know,

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Speaker 5: I'm really sorry for the victim's family to have to

473
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Speaker 5: be have this stuff blow up in their face again yesterday.

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Speaker 5: That's that's got to be excruciating.

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Speaker 1: Well, Connie, Connie, thanks, we got to get to a

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Speaker 1: break here. Thank you for joining. Yeah, a lot of

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Speaker 1: more questions. I didn't even jump in there, but it's

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Speaker 1: really appreciate you taking the time here on this and

479
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Speaker 1: jumping on a quick turnaround there and the statement everything.

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Speaker 1: So Merry Christmas to you and we will catch you

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Speaker 1: catch you some other time. Let's get to a break

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Speaker 1: here on News Radio seven hundred double Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the Eddie and Rocky Show. Jason Williams, Dan Carroll. I'm

484
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Speaker 1: Jason Williams. He's Dan Carroll and trying to get my

485
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Speaker 1: heart rate down. They say, man, I was trying to

486
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Speaker 1: get I was trying to I was trying to get

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Speaker 1: a question and number one, number two, well number one,

488
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Speaker 1: I was trying to get you to calm down. Number two,

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Speaker 1: I was trying to get a question in. Well it

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Speaker 1: took in order to help calm you down. But I

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Speaker 1: also understand where you were coming from because I know

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Speaker 1: exactly when I covered politics, there were a handful of

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Speaker 1: times when I would get fired up like that. Not

494
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Speaker 1: with Connie Pilach. I don't think I ever talked to her.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about just in general. There were times when

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Speaker 1: things I get so passionate about it that I would

497
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Speaker 1: just get going.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if Connie Pillager remembers me. But

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Speaker 2: I interviewed her years ago back in my Fox nineteen days,

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Speaker 2: and I forget what office she was running for at

501
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Speaker 2: that time, but she was a candidate and she was

502
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Speaker 2: in the studio and and we sat down and we

503
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Speaker 2: talked for I don't know, six seven minutes something like that.

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Speaker 2: So I have met her before she State Rep. Then

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Speaker 2: she might have been running for State Rep at that time,

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Speaker 2: so I had we have spoken before. So you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if she actually remembers me.

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Speaker 1: Though. The biggest thing here was that appreciate because I

509
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Speaker 1: don't think she's done very many interviews on this if

510
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Speaker 1: I don't know fIF at all, and and so the

511
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Speaker 1: fact that really appreciate her coming on.

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Speaker 2: Oh we're coming on great. Yeah, I mean it, And

513
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: she did it on short notice. There's been a lot

514
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Speaker 2: of back and forth there there. We're talking to Kevin

515
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Speaker 2: Aldrich about this at the bottom of the hour, and

516
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Speaker 2: we're also we talked to are we talking to the

517
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Speaker 2: judgment a little bit? But I was going to talk

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Speaker 2: to Kevin Aldrich and ask him the question because, Uh,

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Speaker 2: I read the Channel nine story on this, I read

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Speaker 2: the Fox nineteen piece on this, A Channel twelve had one,

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Speaker 2: and they all said, Hey, we reached out to the prosecutor,

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Speaker 2: we've got no response.

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Speaker 1: And that was.

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Speaker 2: What our newsroom here at seven hundred WLW was saying

525
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Speaker 2: all day long until just then. And she put this

526
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Speaker 2: statement out and then she came on to UH to

527
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Speaker 2: actually talk about and stand behind her statement.

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Speaker 1: And I appreciate her and absolutely, and that's been that's

529
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Speaker 1: been great between all the different shows here now in

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Speaker 1: the past week, we've had Joe Deaters, we've had Locksham,

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Speaker 1: San Marco the Corner, and we've had Connie Pillach, Yes,

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Speaker 1: the the you know a lot of the key players

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Speaker 1: past and present, UH in this case. So we thank

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Speaker 1: all of them for that. And let's let's continue on

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Speaker 1: the analysis of this and some other political issues with

536
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Speaker 1: our good friend and we hope yours former Hamilton County

537
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: common please Court judge, all around, good guy local attorney

538
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: Kurt Hartman, judge, how are you? How was that intro?

539
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Speaker 1: My friend? That's like it's like Saturday.

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Speaker 7: Night, Jason, it just flows out of your mats like

541
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Speaker 7: it's natural, like it's meant to be.

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Speaker 1: So that's great, But well, the history there is, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm filling on Saturday nights. I've had occurred

544
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Speaker 1: on as I know you have as well, Dan, and

545
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Speaker 1: uh so I've got a little intro for him. But

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Speaker 1: I tongue tied myself if the first few times when

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Speaker 1: I said former Hamilton County Common Police Court judge that, uh,

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Speaker 1: that used to uh really stump me. We're good to

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Speaker 1: go now, judge.

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Speaker 2: Let me let me ask you a question when it

551
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Speaker 2: comes to Joe Deaters being the prosecutor in this town,

552
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Speaker 2: the this and and this is what really cracks my

553
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Speaker 2: cookies about this whole thing. Uh, the suggestion that somehow

554
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Speaker 2: his office was guilty of sloppy work or maybe cutting corners,

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Speaker 2: or maybe not being thorough or maybe being slightly unprofessional

556
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Speaker 2: in some way, shape or form.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: When when you hear that sort of suggestion, what, uh

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Speaker 2: you know relative to to the office that Joe Dieters ran,

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Speaker 2: what's what's your response to that?

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Speaker 7: Well, Well, let me start off kind of in a

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Speaker 7: generic aspect. Now, you know, well, while as attorneys, you know,

563
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Speaker 7: we want we're there to advocate for our clients and

564
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Speaker 7: try to win the case for them. Your prosecutors have

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Speaker 7: a different ethnic ethical standard, and that their ethical standard

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Speaker 7: is not to win a case. Their ethical standard is

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Speaker 7: to do justice.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and so that's a.

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Speaker 7: Little different and so and that's what I think, at

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Speaker 7: the end of the day, we all want. Now when

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Speaker 7: it comes to it, I'm gonna be honest with you.

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Speaker 7: In the generic sense, prosecutors' offices, some of them tend

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Speaker 7: to play a little bit fast with the rules. They

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Speaker 7: think different rules apply to them. They think, you know,

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Speaker 7: they should because they're doing justice. Hey, we've got a

576
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Speaker 7: victim here, and we know, we know this person did it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I don't always think and I mean a little bit

579
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Speaker 7: of a skeptic in me, a little bit of the

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Speaker 7: civil libertarian and me I do think at times prosecutor's

581
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Speaker 7: offices maybe play a little fast and loose. I've never,

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Speaker 7: when I was on the bench, never had an experience

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Speaker 7: knowing where they clearly did not, you know, comply by

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Speaker 7: the rules. Uh, you know that they were subject. I

585
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Speaker 7: think they did not like sometimes being subject to the rules,

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Speaker 7: and sometimes try to cut the little corners here and there.

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Speaker 7: But in terms of not turning over evidence. You know,

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Speaker 7: I know there have been accusations in the past against

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Speaker 7: Joe's office. I never had that personal experience. I don't

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Speaker 7: know of any personal experience in that regard. And it

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Speaker 7: is a very serious accusation.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 7: You know that that if I was an attorney, if

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Speaker 7: I was a prosecuting attorney, would take great umbrich at.

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Speaker 7: But also, but also I'm not going to be naive

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Speaker 7: and say it does not occur generally speaking, you know.

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Speaker 2: I general I asked about Joe Dieter's office and the

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Speaker 2: way he ran things.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. Now, like I said, I think, I mean when

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Speaker 7: I was on the bench, I bumped heads with certain

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Speaker 7: prosecutes I did. I found some of them somewhat arrogant.

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Speaker 7: I found some of them to be so full of

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Speaker 7: themselves that they were so self righteous that they kind

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Speaker 7: of lost that pole star of their ethical obligation to

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Speaker 7: do justice. On the other hand, I found some some

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Speaker 7: of them very professional, respectful, trying to do the right thing.

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Speaker 7: But would they do but to go so far as

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Speaker 7: to say I'm gonna withhold evident And I mean, if

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Speaker 7: that comes out, that's a law license. You lose your

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Speaker 7: law license on something like that. I'd be hard pressed

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Speaker 7: to believe anybody would go that far. But again I'm

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Speaker 7: not naive to say maybe it never occurred. You know,

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Speaker 7: it's interesting, you know, Kanyie Pillage comes out and makes

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Speaker 7: this kind of accusation, but it's a very generic accusation.

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Speaker 7: I want to see what's the evidence, you know, I'm

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Speaker 7: in a lawyer. I want to see the evidence that establishes it,

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Speaker 7: not just Connie Pillage telling me that's what happens along.

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Speaker 1: Those same lines. And Connie Pilach did and she said

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Speaker 1: she did not talk to Joe Dieters or any of

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Speaker 1: the prosecutors who are on the case back in the nineties.

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Speaker 1: Given that that accusation is there, and I'm asking you

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Speaker 1: for your opinion, judge on this, do you feel like

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Speaker 1: if you were in the prosecutor's shoes, do you do

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Speaker 1: you owe a call to the prosecutor from back then

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Speaker 1: or no? You just look at you look at all

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Speaker 1: the case that's laid out there, and you can make

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Speaker 1: your own decision. And it's totally fine. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: putting words in your mouth one way or the other.

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Speaker 1: I am clearly a neutral person on this in terms

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Speaker 1: of that that piece of it because I I'm not

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Speaker 1: an expert on it and you are. What does the

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Speaker 1: prosecutor in a case itor.

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Speaker 7: Tony Keillich has conducted this is no, she did not

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Speaker 7: reach out. Let me talk to all the actors involved, right,

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Speaker 7: I want to get all the facts. And it seems

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Speaker 7: in a certain sense by the fact that she did

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Speaker 7: not reach out to Joe Dee or she did not

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Speaker 7: talk to the prosecutors involved previously, she didn't want to

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Speaker 7: get all the facts. Well, maybe you know, maybe she

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Speaker 7: sees this piece of evidence and is viewing it one

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Speaker 7: way but doesn't perceive it differently. How the prosecutors might

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Speaker 7: be able to explain something to her. You know, if

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Speaker 7: I'm doing if I was in this position, I'd want

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Speaker 7: to get all the facts. I want to know what

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Speaker 7: am I missing, What don't I understand, what am I

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Speaker 7: viewing wrong? Those will be the type of questions I

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Speaker 7: would ask, And I just think and then part of

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Speaker 7: me is, like I said, I wasn't a fan with

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Speaker 7: with Joe Dieter's office in certain regards of how they operated,

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Speaker 7: But I don't have the confidence right now in Connie

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Speaker 7: Pillage's office either. I just see right now we are

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Speaker 7: so divided partisanally, and you know, the Democrat Party has

653
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Speaker 7: been taken over by this aggressive progressive wing of the party,

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Speaker 7: and we see it on the bench. We're seeing it,

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Speaker 7: i think, in the prosecutor's office. So I'm not confident

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Speaker 7: in her pronouncement. I'd rather we get everything out there, Connie,

657
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Speaker 7: you know, put everything out on the table. Let the

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Speaker 7: public see everything.

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Speaker 1: This is where for ourselves.

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Speaker 7: I mean, people are smart if you show it to them,

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Speaker 7: here's what happens, here's how I connect point A to B, two,

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Speaker 7: C T D. We don't have that, you know, We've

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Speaker 7: got for a lack of a better head. And I

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Speaker 7: don't know you fucking heads or you know, people talking

665
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Speaker 7: and saying, here's what the situation is, but we don't.

666
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Speaker 7: We the people don't have that evident to support it

667
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Speaker 7: one way or the other. And that that just doesn't

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Speaker 7: give me confidence either way, you know. So I'm not

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Speaker 7: taking if you will, I'm not taking Joe Deeer's side.

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Speaker 7: I'm not taking Connie Connie Coligen's side.

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Speaker 1: Sure, I'm skeptical.

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Speaker 7: On both sides.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, she said, she says she doesn't want

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Speaker 2: to relitigate this whole thing. But based on what's happened

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Speaker 2: in the last four or five days, we I mean,

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Speaker 2: we are going to We're not going to relitigate it

677
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Speaker 2: in the courts, obviously, but we're going to reltigate it

678
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: here on the radio and the newspaper, in the court

679
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: of public opinion because of all this information and all

680
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: this back and forth that has been going on, and

681
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: the and the fact that this guy who was on

682
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Speaker 2: death row is is now a freeman, and now he

683
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Speaker 2: can now you know, even even if he came out

684
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Speaker 2: to the point to where he said that that I

685
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Speaker 2: did it, he could still walk away from that.

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Speaker 7: No. And I think in a certain sense, this case,

687
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 7: the way it's been handled one way, whichever way you

688
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 7: want to take spin you want to put on that

689
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 7: which the way it's been handled, it needs to be

690
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Speaker 7: put out re litigated, if you will, for the jemt,

691
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 7: for the public, for Edward Jones, for Rondy Nathan and

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Speaker 7: her family.

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Speaker 4: I mean in a certain.

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Speaker 1: Sense that try on correct. Wasn't there another trial on

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Speaker 1: it in December of twenty in twenty twenty two, did

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Speaker 1: it not know?

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Speaker 7: There was a hearing ok with Judge Cross about whether

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Speaker 7: that was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was judge Cross was the was the judge? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so that wasn't and that wasn't another trial. It was a.

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Speaker 7: Theory. But I just think, you know, you're not going

702
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 7: to go back into a courtroom and relitigate it. But

703
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 7: what I think you can do, you know, for mister

704
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 7: Jones sayings, you know, for the victim's sake, for her family,

705
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 7: and for the general public, because what is you know,

706
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 7: is lay it all out there. Just don't tell us

707
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 7: what her conclusions are. Lay everything out there, subjected to

708
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 7: the light of day, you know, suscept that to public

709
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 7: scrup me Because right now what is going on beat

710
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 7: by Joe Dieters and by Connie Pillage does not exude

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Speaker 7: confidence in the judicial system.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I don't care which side of the spectrum you're on,

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Speaker 7: it does not. And it's Connie Pillage is going to

715
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Speaker 7: be true to that ethical obligation to do justice. I

716
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 7: think she now has an obligation, not necessarily an ethical obligation,

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Speaker 7: but at least a moral obligation to put it all

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Speaker 7: out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Kurt, we're out of time.

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Speaker 7: Do me and everybody can see it and we can

721
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Speaker 7: judge for ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Kurt well said, that's where we need to go.

723
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Speaker 1: Kurt Hartman, local public interest attorney, former Hamilton County judge.

724
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: And we didn't even talk about what he wanted. We

725
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 1: didn't want to talk. We had but we had breaking

726
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: news as well. And this is why we appreciate our

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00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: legal analyst and you and Steve Gooden and the fantastic

728
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 1: work that you all do. And I know James Bogan

729
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: as well. This is why we get you and you

730
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: can adjust because you keep up with this stuff. Dan

731
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: and I are together for another week, so maybe we'll

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Speaker 1: have you jump back on with us and chat about

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Speaker 1: some of the other stuffy. Merry Christmas, my friend.

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Speaker 7: You all have a merry Christmas. Your listeners have a

735
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Speaker 7: merry Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Marys appreciated Buddy trafficing weather coming up right now. Welcome

737
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: back to the Eddie and Rocky Show. Eddie Rocky, Eddie Rocky.

738
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Speaker 2: I know we're a couple of days away from Christmas

739
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: and tomorrow we'll get into our Christmas mode.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, we had.

741
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Speaker 2: This breaking news today and uh and we I mean,

742
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Speaker 2: we're gonna keeping We had to jump on it.

743
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Speaker 1: He's Dan Caro, I'm Jason Williams.

744
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: By the way in for Eddie and Rocky, and for

745
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: Eddie and Rocky, but you know the whole thing with

746
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: the case against wood Jones being dismissed. We had Connie

747
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 2: Pilloch on a couple of segments ago, I had the

748
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: judge on, and the judge said, I thought Kurt Hartman,

749
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 2: former judge, said something I think was very important. He said,

750
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Speaker 2: he said, right now he has no confidence in this

751
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: prosecutor's office and the office of Collie County Pillage is running.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I think that is an important I think the people

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Speaker 2: of Hamilton County need to have confidence in the prosecutor's office.

755
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 2: And this, for lack of a better term, excrement show

756
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: is not not really not really helping to build up

757
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Speaker 2: that company.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's it's become quite a war, a war of

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00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: words on the these on these airwaves here. As we

760
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, we've in this past week here on WLW,

761
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Speaker 1: Joe Dieters has come on with Willie uh doctor Lockshmi

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Speaker 1: San Marco yesterday with Willie, and then today Connie Pillich

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Speaker 1: joined us. So it's good, this is good, this is good,

764
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: and we're and you and I are continuing to touch

765
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: on this story we didn't plan on that necessarily today,

766
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: but we're continuing to hit this from all angles. And

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00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: our latest guest, our next guest is our friend, uh,

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Speaker 1: the Inquirer Opinion editor of my colleague at the Inquirer,

769
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: all around awesome guy who I know is following this story,

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Speaker 1: and uh, I also enjoy catching him when he fills

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Speaker 1: in on Lincoln War Show. Really really really does a

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Speaker 1: great job on the on the air. And I know

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Speaker 1: you you like to have him on when you host

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Speaker 1: the show. Kevin All that's a long winded way of

775
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: saying Kevin Aldritch joined Usnow.

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Speaker 2: Kevin, he's taking all your time. Brother, ka kay, how

777
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: are you Merry Christmas?

778
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 3: Hey?

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00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 7: Hey, I'm doing good.

780
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 8: I'm used to that, and I sometimes used to do

781
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 8: combo columns.

782
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: Like Jason was that.

783
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 7: I get like two in and then everybody'd be like, man,

784
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 7: Jason chews you up in that argument.

785
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Speaker 8: I'm like, man only got two hundred works.

786
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 2: Oh, not only is he a Mike call, he hogs

787
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Speaker 2: the he hogs all the space and then the paper too.

788
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Speaker 1: How about that? That's fantastic bur have him step in

789
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Speaker 1: and mediate now, Kevin, Hey, thanks for joining here. Merry Christmas.

790
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: To you and your family and Kevin do We had

791
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: Connie Pelach on a little bit ago, and I know

792
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Speaker 1: you followed this story as head of the Inquire opinion

793
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 1: page and the editorial board there, and well, I guess

794
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: just opening the question now of the game, what do

795
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: you what do you make of all this? As you've

796
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 1: as you've heard deaders and and pillag and you've seen

797
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: the case, You've read about it, you've reported on it. Uh,

798
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: you know your sam Marco came out yesterday, Now she

799
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Speaker 1: came back out today, like what are you? What do

800
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Speaker 1: you make of all of this?

801
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

802
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 8: So, I think what I've been really kind of disappointed

803
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Speaker 8: and stunned by is is some of the unprofessionalism that

804
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Speaker 8: I've seen in this case. And I'm gonna I'm gonna

805
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 8: touch on each of the three individuals that you kind

806
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Speaker 8: of talked about. First off, We'll we'll start with the

807
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Speaker 8: latest news, which is, you know, doctor sam Marco's report.

808
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 8: I just think that that was so egregiously careless on

809
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 8: her part that to put out information that one you

810
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 8: didn't conclusively verify, and present it as if you had

811
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 8: new revelations that changed the dynamics of this case. I

812
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 8: think it's just gross miss you know, malpractice. You know,

813
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 8: in her profession as a doctor, you know, you're supposed

814
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Speaker 8: to do no harm. And I think that extends beyond

815
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Speaker 8: just sort of like the physical aspects of caring for

816
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Speaker 8: someone's health. But I think putting out inaccurate information that

817
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Speaker 8: you didn't take a considerable amount of time to verify, Jason.

818
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 8: You know, if we did something like that in journalism,

819
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 8: where we were just that careless about putting information out

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Speaker 8: there for the public, that would be ground for termination.

821
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Speaker 1: That's the first thingation or maybe termination right out of

822
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Speaker 1: the gate. Yeah, you're exactly right.

823
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Speaker 8: Absolutely so the fact that she did that to me

824
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 8: is just it's just unconscionable and inexcusable because of what

825
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 8: it does to both sides of this, no matter whether

826
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Speaker 8: you think Elwood Jones is guilty or innocent. You know,

827
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Speaker 8: the the Nathan family has already been through a lot.

828
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Speaker 8: They're trying to process this decision by the prosecutor, and

829
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Speaker 8: then you throw this out here, and even it was

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Speaker 8: even though it was only twenty four hours or whatever,

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Speaker 8: to put that family through that again, I think for

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Speaker 8: whatever reason the coroner did it. I just think it's

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Speaker 8: inexcusable in my opinion. The next thing I kind of

834
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Speaker 8: had an issue with was prosecutor Pillage dismissing the case

835
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Speaker 8: with prejudice. Now she's come out and she said, I

836
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Speaker 8: don't I don't particularly have an opinion on her decision

837
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Speaker 8: to dismiss the case, but I think dismissing it prejudice

838
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 8: was I think something she didn't have to do because

839
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Speaker 8: it fully closes the door to the possibility of new evidence.

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Speaker 8: I mean, if Elwood Jones were to come out today

841
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Speaker 8: and say, you know, hey, I did it, there's nothing

842
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 8: that could be done on that. You know, he essentially

843
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 8: can't be charged again. So I'm not going to sit

844
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Speaker 8: here and say that with the evidence that the prosecutor

845
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Speaker 8: talked about, that at a minimum, he would have been

846
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Speaker 8: entitled to a new trial, right. I think, regardless of

847
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Speaker 8: what you think, we should all be in the interest

848
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Speaker 8: of seeing justice done. And if somebody hasn't gotten a

849
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Speaker 8: completely fair trial where they're going to be sentenced to

850
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Speaker 8: death beyond a reasonable doubt, and we find out that,

851
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 8: you know, some evidence was being withheld, critical evidence that

852
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 8: might have suayed a jury. Other persons of interest who

853
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 8: may or may not have been investigated, and the defense

854
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 8: doesn't know about that or have an opportunity to explore

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00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 8: that all of those things could have resulted in a

856
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 8: different verdict. They're dynamic in the court case, and so

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00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 8: whether you're a fan of Joe Dieters or not, none

858
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 8: of that matters. I think sometimes we get caught up

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00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 8: in these personalities in the politics when our overarching concerns

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00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 8: should be getting justice done right, and if that means

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Speaker 8: that prosecutors didn't follow the rules and do all of

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00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 8: the right things, then we need to be up there

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00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 8: behind to make sure that they're doing that, that they're

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00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 8: turning over all of the evidence. So potentially, you know,

865
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Speaker 8: if you do have a bad person or a bad

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Speaker 8: guy who commits something that they don't get off on

867
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Speaker 8: a technicality or something because you didn't follow the rules.

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Speaker 8: So I think we're.

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Speaker 1: Selective in terms of.

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Speaker 8: When we want to see a full airing and vetting

871
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Speaker 8: of the case. Because there have been other cases and

872
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Speaker 8: I haven't agreed with every decision prosecutor Pillage has made,

873
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Speaker 8: and I've written about a few of those, but I

874
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Speaker 8: think in those cases, some of the same people who

875
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Speaker 8: are screaming about Elwood Jones had no problem with prosecutor

876
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Speaker 8: pivileage not releasing all of the facts, putting things out there.

877
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Speaker 8: So I think we cherry pick when we want to

878
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Speaker 8: see justice done and when we want to see a

879
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Speaker 8: full airing and transparency from the prosecutors or whomever in

880
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Speaker 8: a case. And that's what frustrates me is sort of

881
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Speaker 8: the hypocrisy and the politics.

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Speaker 1: That revolves around that.

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Speaker 8: Our main concern should be justice and making sure that

884
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Speaker 8: we're holding everybody in that process accountable.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Aldridge, Inquire Opinion Editor, you are tying it all

886
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Speaker 1: together here so beautifully. That's the voice of reason on

887
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Speaker 1: this on you know, man, when we got Connie Pilich earlier,

888
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Speaker 1: we had just gotten a very convoluted and Dan read

889
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: it on the air, and I'm still my head spinning

890
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: from San Marco's statement. And for you to come in

891
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Speaker 1: here and lay you've answered even some of the questions

892
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Speaker 1: that I that I had had, you know, just about

893
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Speaker 1: kind of the bigger picture of all this, laying it

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Speaker 1: out there. And I know Dan is itching to get

895
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Speaker 1: a question into you, so I'm gonna turn it over

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Speaker 1: to him.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, what you just said, Kevin Aldrich was

898
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Speaker 2: was very well said, and we should as a community

899
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Speaker 2: demand better from those elected representatives that we have, be

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Speaker 2: it in the prosecutor's office or be it in the

901
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Speaker 2: in the coroner's office. I think Lakshmi Smarco has built

902
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Speaker 2: up a lot of goodwill and has enjoyed a really

903
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Speaker 2: good reputation, but this is a this is a stain

904
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Speaker 2: on that reputation. The way she she went about this.

905
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Speaker 2: When I was listening to her on this radio station yesterday,

906
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Speaker 2: it seemed as if she was, you know, a little

907
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Speaker 2: bit tepid when when asked some of the questions and

908
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Speaker 2: responding to some of the questions. And then we coobe

909
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Speaker 2: come to find out today that she, you know, may

910
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Speaker 2: have made him although she doesn't admit that she made

911
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Speaker 2: a mistake in this statement, but it certainly you can

912
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Speaker 2: connect the dots there, and she's saying, look, we got

913
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Speaker 2: this record over here, in this record over here, you know,

914
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Speaker 2: and it came out the way the way it did.

915
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Speaker 2: But Kurt Hartman said something that I think is very

916
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Speaker 2: important that he said as it relates to the prosecutor's office,

917
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Speaker 2: and he said, you know, he doesn't have a lot

918
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Speaker 2: of confidence in this prosecutor's office right now, and I

919
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Speaker 2: think the way Yeah, you know, I asked Connie Pilichis

920
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Speaker 2: on the air. She said that she surprised the coroner

921
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Speaker 2: would rush to judgment before having a conversation with the

922
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Speaker 2: prosecutor's office. Well, didn't she come to this judgment before

923
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Speaker 2: she had a conversation with Joe Dieters, before she had

924
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Speaker 2: a conversation with Mark pete Meyer, who tried the case.

925
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Speaker 2: And then she suggested that, well, you know, I don't

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Speaker 2: know if they'll remember it. I don't know, but it

927
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Speaker 2: just seems to me maybe as a professional courtesy, just

928
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Speaker 2: to make sure all your eyes are dotted and your

929
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Speaker 2: teas across that you might want to talk to the prosecutor,

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Speaker 2: the people who tried the case and say, look, here's

931
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Speaker 2: my theory on this, let's see if it holds water.

932
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Speaker 2: It just seems to me that would be a standard

933
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Speaker 2: step you might want to take. No, I don't I

934
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Speaker 2: don't disagree with that. I I think that goes to

935
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Speaker 2: the point that I was making about dotting every eye

936
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Speaker 2: and crossing every team. When you're going to make big

937
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Speaker 2: decisions or big declarations, or hold a press conference or

938
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Speaker 2: put out a press release.

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Speaker 1: This is just my thought.

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Speaker 8: You want to make sure that you've checked off all

941
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Speaker 8: of the boxes because you know where the criticisms and

942
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Speaker 8: the second guessing and all of that is going to

943
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Speaker 8: be coming from. I try to think about this when

944
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Speaker 8: I write a column. I try to think about, Okay,

945
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Speaker 8: what are all of the ways that the people who

946
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Speaker 8: disagree with me are going to try to dissect my argument.

947
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Speaker 8: I try to do my best to try to address

948
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Speaker 8: those things. I think when you're in public office in

949
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Speaker 8: these big cases, you know, checking off those boxes. So

950
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Speaker 8: obviously she's the prosecutor. She has the prerogative of who

951
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Speaker 8: she wants to contact and all of that. But I

952
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Speaker 8: would think that in the interests of trying to insulate yourself.

953
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Speaker 4: Even if you don't even if you talk.

954
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Speaker 8: To Joe Dieters or whomever and say and they say

955
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Speaker 8: you've got it wrong, you shouldn't do this, there's nothing

956
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Speaker 8: that says that she still couldn't have come through with

957
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Speaker 8: the same decision. But then she could say, hey, look

958
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Speaker 8: we at least talked to these individuals. Now here's what

959
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Speaker 8: I will say. I wanted to say this because there

960
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Speaker 8: was a third leg of my initial statement.

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Speaker 1: I didn't get to Joe Diaters.

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Speaker 8: I understand Joe Deaters wants to defend himself his reputation

963
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Speaker 8: in his office, but I really felt he was a

964
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Speaker 8: Supreme Court justice now and I kind of feel like

965
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Speaker 8: what he did in coming out and making these comments

966
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Speaker 8: was beneath the office, was beneath the robe. I thought

967
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Speaker 8: Joe Deaders should have just he's not the prosecutor anymore,

968
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Speaker 8: and I think he should have just withheld the dignity

969
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Speaker 8: of that office. There are other folks, there are other

970
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Speaker 8: folks who are going to come out and defend him

971
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Speaker 8: and fight for him and all of that.

972
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Speaker 1: All of that different. Let those individuals.

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Speaker 8: Do that and honor the robe, honor the office that

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Speaker 8: you're in now. And I just think, as I think

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Speaker 8: as a Supreme Court justice, to come out and just

976
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Speaker 8: kind of comment on this, I thought that was another

977
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Speaker 8: level of unprofessionalism that bothered me a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I don't have anything.

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Speaker 8: I don't have anything against Joe Deear's I've talked to

980
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Speaker 8: him a few times and my time with the inquir

981
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Speaker 8: I think he's a pleasant guy. That's not the issue.

982
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Speaker 8: But this is the issue of that is he's a

983
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Speaker 8: Supreme Court justice, and I just felt like him coming

984
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Speaker 8: out and feeling the need that he had to defend

985
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Speaker 8: himself in his office that he no longer occupies. I

986
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Speaker 8: just kind of felt like was a little bit beneath

987
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Speaker 8: the office, a little bit beneath the dignity of the role.

988
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Speaker 4: But that was just my opinion.

989
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: Kevin Aldridge since then Choirer Opinion editor. Check out his

990
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 1: columns on Cincinnati dot com, including you wrote a really

991
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: awesome piece recently on the mayor aft have pure balls

992
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: the repossession of his vehicle. When you talk about, you know,

993
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: looking and thinking through all these pieces and the nuance

994
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: you nailed it. That was a model of Kevin's columns.

995
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: And always appreciate your opinions, even when I don't agree

996
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: with them. Go check out his columns. Kevin Well said

997
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: here today we got to get to a trafficking weather,

998
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: but I want to wish you your wife, your family,

999
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: and merry Christmas. And really appreciate you bringing that kind

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Speaker 1: of overall viewpoint and touching on everything as regarding rate okayspective.

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00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: Thanks Kevin Well, Thank you guys.

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00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 7: Same to you guys.

1003
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Speaker 9: Appreciate you having me see it. There you go, job,

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00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 9: Welcome back to news radio.

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Speaker 1: Seven hundred w O w Eddie Rocky, Eddie and Rocky

1006
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: keeps saying Eddie Rocky show. The Eddie and Rocky showed.

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Speaker 1: It's not Eddie Rocky show. It's Eddie and Rocky. Ed

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Speaker 1: Jason Williams alongside Dan D. C. Carroll will not be

1009
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Speaker 1: What a day? What a day? Man? It's flown by.

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Speaker 1: You will not be Newslash. You will not be writing

1011
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: your Harley Davidson tomorrow as rain is in the forecast,

1012
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: because Matt Reach just handed that, Tommy, Yes he did,

1013
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: he'd hands the latest forecast see tomorrow eve, Christmas Eve,

1014
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: Christmas Eve, patchy fall otherwise partly sunny with a higher

1015
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 1: fifty tomorrow listening to tomorrow night one hundred chance of rain. Good,

1016
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: how about that? I'd rather have snow. But uh, anyway,

1017
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: I got riding his motorcycle today. Did you realize, like, man,

1018
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: I should I should be out there today. It's a

1019
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: nice day out there temperature wise, it was it was

1020
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Speaker 1: it was today. I could have ridden today. I just

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Speaker 1: I didn't have to wear my coat today. Right, you

1022
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: didn't wear a coat, did you? It's out in the car.

1023
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,919
Speaker 1: You impressed me as a guy that probably doesn't wear

1024
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: a coat unless it's negative ten degrees, it's out in

1025
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: the car. Are you what do you? You used to

1026
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: probably be one of those guys that were shorts too

1027
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: in the winter, right, No, you know what, No, I've

1028
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: never done that. Had a guy. I have friends that

1029
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: do that now, Yeah, I do too. We had a

1030
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: guy in the newsroom for years. It's twenty below and

1031
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: I have got a pair of shorts on. You would

1032
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: always wear shorts in for the night shift copy editing

1033
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: night shift. Anyway, we are what a show. As Dan said,

1034
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Speaker 1: we have continued on with this. Elwood Jones wrote a

1035
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: Nathan case and if you missed this, catch it on

1036
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: the iHeartMedia app. In the podcasts, we had Hamilton County

1037
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: Prosecutor County Pillach on earlier. Then we had former Hamilton

1038
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Speaker 1: County Judge Kurt Hartman, and we had an Inquire Opinion

1039
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: editor Kevin Aldridge really covering this story from all different angles,

1040
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,919
Speaker 1: and the latest being that the coroner came out today

1041
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: locksheby San Marcos saying after a further review, essentially I

1042
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: misspoke yesterday. That essentially what she's saying, Yeah, well, I

1043
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: mean she's not really saying she made a mistake. She writes, yesterday,

1044
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: I issued a press release based upon information contained in

1045
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Speaker 1: our case file for Rodea Nathan. It consisted of a

1046
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Speaker 1: single negative hepatitis B result dated nine, sixteen ninety four

1047
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Speaker 1: covered on twelve, eighteen, twenty five. Attempts were made to

1048
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Speaker 1: coroborate those findings with medical records from Trihalth, as well

1049
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: as additional attempts to contact the testing laboratory. Failing that,

1050
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Speaker 1: we communicated with her family trying to obtain additional medical information. Then,

1051
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Speaker 1: she says, today, I'm in receipt of a document titled

1052
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: Microbiology Reference Laboratory test Report provided by Attorney David Hine.

1053
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,919
Speaker 1: In that document, there are reference numbers that correspond with

1054
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 1: our autopsy and death record numbers. Additionally, in the body

1055
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Speaker 1: of the report there's a reference to a cadaver specimen.

1056
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Speaker 1: The printed result states that the blood specimen was hepatitis

1057
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Speaker 1: B surface antigen positive. Considering the correlation of the numbers

1058
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Speaker 1: on the report with our records, it appears that this

1059
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Speaker 1: is the actual hepatitis B test result for Rhoda Nathan.

1060
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Speaker 1: So essentially, she's saying that wrote A Nathan tested positive

1061
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Speaker 1: for hepatitis right now, and he's ignil just trying to

1062
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Speaker 1: make the case that if she was positive for hepatitis,

1063
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Speaker 1: then necessarily Elwood Jones would have tested positive for hepatitis

1064
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Speaker 1: hepatitis P. Elwood Jones did not test positive for hepatitis P.

1065
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: Connie Pillach and and what she didn't clarify during our

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Speaker 1: conversation was that she said, uh, you know, in uh

1067
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Speaker 1: in her when she made the had the press conference

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Speaker 1: that she was releasing him from that she was dismissing

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Speaker 1: the case. She said, new medical testing or new medical

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Speaker 1: tests or tests that are available, and I don't remember

1071
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Speaker 1: the exact phrasing, uh, you know, eliminates him as a suspect.

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Speaker 1: And Joe Dieters makes the point afterwards that he said,

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Speaker 1: he said, here's here's what Joe Dieters wrote to her

1074
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Speaker 1: first here claim that modern day medical testing excluded Jones

1075
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Speaker 1: from the murder, and Dieter says, it is demonstrably untrue.

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Speaker 1: You stated that because Ms Nathan had hepatitis, Jones would

1077
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Speaker 1: have necessarily have contracted it had he been the perpetrator.

1078
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Speaker 1: Yet the defenses own paid expert testified there was only

1079
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Speaker 1: a thirty three percent chance Jones would have contracted hepatitis.

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Speaker 1: Even if he were the person to beat her to death,

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00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: a thirty three percent probability of transmission isn't is not exclusion.

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00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: So that is Joe Dieters responding to this. I mean,

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00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: and he did this days ago before this information came out.

1084
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: So this whole thing about hepatitis be to my way

1085
00:58:53,520 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: of thinking the case and the innocence of the day Dan,

1086
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it's again criminal justice. I don't think

1087
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: it's the most important from what I'm hearing. I'm just

1088
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: that's my question, is that was it ultimately that major

1089
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: of a thing to the whole case who had it

1090
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: and who didn't have heppatitis B.

1091
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 2: I don't think it's the most compelling element of this case. Yeah,

1092
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 2: it's a it's an element, yes, But is it the

1093
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 2: I don't think it's the most important. I don't think

1094
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 2: it's the most compelling. I don't think the guilt or

1095
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 2: innocence hinges on this fact being true or not true.

1096
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: Well, we want to we've spent a lot of time

1097
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: on this. You've heard us talk about it, you've heard

1098
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: others talk about it. We want to give you a

1099
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: chance to talk about it. The phone lines are filling

1100
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: up five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand is

1101
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: a big one. And uh, you know what I'm gonna

1102
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: We've already got a bunch of people on whole, but

1103
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: no one has been a whole longer than Pete uh

1104
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: in Lebanon. Who wants to weigh on Pete? What you got?

1105
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 4: Gentlemen, thanks for taking my call, and Merry Christmas.

1106
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, and it's time to celebrate on a couple

1107
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: of days ago. Right, I think you did it.

1108
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 4: Okay, you stole one of my points by saying, what

1109
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 4: difference does it make if either one of them had hepatitis? Right,

1110
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 4: even though it's very contagious, If if if the you know,

1111
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 4: the so called criminal had it and she didn't have it,

1112
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 4: or vice versa, what what difference does that make with

1113
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 4: a conviction with a thirty percent, you know whatever rate

1114
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 4: of getting of catching it?

1115
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 3: Right?

1116
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 4: So you guys also missed an opportunity to ask the prosecutor,

1117
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 4: all right, if this guy didn't do it, who the

1118
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 4: hell did it? And do we have a murderer out

1119
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 4: there that's roam in the streets.

1120
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 2: Well, if you if well, if you listen to the

1121
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 2: US when we were speaking to her and thanks. She

1122
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 2: brought up the suggestion that there were other there a

1123
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 2: witness or other witness statements that were not fully explored.

1124
01:00:55,480 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 2: And she alluded to this idea that somehow the work

1125
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 2: was not thorough, or the work might have been a

1126
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 2: little bit sloppy or a little bit careless.

1127
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1128
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 2: Let you, however, you wanted to describe it. And I just,

1129
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 2: you know, making that sort of reference to the work

1130
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 2: that had been done by Joe Dieters and the people

1131
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 2: that worked for him over the years that I covered

1132
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 2: his office and saw them in action on a daily basis.

1133
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 2: That does not jive with my own eyewitness accounts of

1134
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 2: how I saw these people work over the years.

1135
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go to Kate, who wants to weigh in

1136
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: about the hepatitis BE topic. Hey, Kate, Hi, I.

1137
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 6: Was an infection control supervisor for hospitals here in Cincinnati

1138
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 6: for years. And Joe Dieters, it sounds like he's got

1139
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 6: either an infectious disease doc or an epidemiologist who supports

1140
01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 6: this thirty three percent chance of transmission versus sixty six

1141
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 6: percent not And when Mark introduced the hepatitis V vaccine

1142
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 6: years ago, I worked the er before that, and if

1143
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 6: it was one hundred percent transmission, all of us would

1144
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 6: have had it, because before AIDS or the HIV virus,

1145
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 6: we were none of us wore gloves.

1146
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 3: Everybody was up to.

1147
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 6: Their elbows in blood in the er. And when Mark

1148
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 6: introduced the vaccine, they did assays of nursing personnel in

1149
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 6: various hospital departments, and they thought the highest rate would

1150
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 6: be in ther where you're up to your elbows in blood,

1151
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 6: but they were gloved, and they were about a nineteen

1152
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 6: percent trans Nursing personnel were positive antigen assays. But the er,

1153
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 6: where nobody wore gloves and weighed right into accident victims

1154
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 6: and everything else, I think they were more like about

1155
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 6: twenty oh god, they were like twenty three percent or

1156
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 6: something or twenty six. So again, we all would have

1157
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 6: had it if it was one hundred percent transmission. And

1158
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 6: I'm just curious to a certain extent that this prosecutor

1159
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 6: won't disclose why she's so convinced. And I'm sorry it

1160
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 6: raises kind of the vaccine nonsense from you know, the

1161
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 6: COVID where people told us, oh, it stays in your arm,

1162
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 6: it doesn't go anywhere. It's like, I'm sorry, it's fluid.

1163
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 6: A body is over eighty percent fluid. You're not going

1164
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 6: to be able to keep it in your upper arm,

1165
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 6: you jerk.

1166
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: So let me ask you. Let me ask you this.

1167
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 2: When Joe Dieters writes that the defense's own paid expert

1168
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 2: testified there was only a thirty three percent chance the

1169
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 2: Jones would have contracted hepatitis beat if he were the

1170
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 2: person who beat her to death, you're telling me that

1171
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 2: that statement rings true with you based on your knowledge

1172
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 2: and your experience.

1173
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, yeah, because again, yeah, we all would have

1174
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 6: had it if it was one hundred percent transmission. And

1175
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 6: if anybody opens up, you know, any of the research

1176
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 6: about hepatitis B antigen transmission, I think that's what they're

1177
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,919
Speaker 6: going to find. I don't think those numbers changed over

1178
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 6: the last twenty five years.

1179
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 3: So you know, let's set it up.

1180
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 6: A demiologist and an infectious disease talk. We have them

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01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 6: in Cincinnati, say can testify.

1182
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: Good call, Kate, great call. Yeah, thank you for hanging

1183
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: in there and staying on hold forever. And uh, it's

1184
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: always great to have all of our callers. We appreciate,

1185
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: but it's great to do with someone who has an

1186
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: expertise area, who hears us and picks up the phone

1187
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: and calls, and.

1188
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 2: She makes she makes an excellent point. So you know,

1189
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 2: she was in an environment where that stuff is flying

1190
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 2: around and you're working in it all day long, right,

1191
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 2: and and she said, you know, said, what were the numbers?

1192
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 2: There were what less than twenty percent? So speaks for itself.

1193
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, guess what we're going to do, Dan, a little

1194
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: trafficking weather together, and we're going to hit it on time.

1195
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: This time, we got more calls on hold. We're going

1196
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: to keep taking calls, So hang in there, take more

1197
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: call trafficking weather. What do we got? Jason Williams alongside

1198
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: Dan Carroll in for Eddie and Rocky. What a show

1199
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: it's been, Dan, And we'll be here tomorrow. Wrong Christmas Eve,

1200
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: and we got some specials saying we're gonna lighten it

1201
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: up a little bit tomorrow.

1202
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 2: I want to talk about Christmas movies. Christmas, We're going

1203
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 2: to talk about Christmas songs and Christmas movies. Yes, so

1204
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 2: I want the American people to think about what Christmas.

1205
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 2: We did this last year and came up with a

1206
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 2: lot of really interesting Christmas songs and a lot of

1207
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 2: them that I had not heard before, and we played

1208
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 2: little snippets of it, and some of them were really

1209
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 2: good because our callers called in and yeah, let us

1210
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 2: know on some of those. So, Liam, are you going

1211
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 2: to be here? Liam's you got to be ready, man,

1212
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 2: But those callers, you got to look up them songs.

1213
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: Man, you ready for it. He's locked in. He's locked in,

1214
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: he says. And by the way, tis the season, Dan,

1215
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 1: And you know what, you know what season it is?

1216
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 3: Uh?

1217
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 1: You tell me?

1218
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 3: Uh?

1219
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: For the state to release their rejected license plates? Is

1220
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: that an annual thing?

1221
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 3: Yes?

1222
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: Do they do that every year? And I love The

1223
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: Inquirer gets these every year since I dot com and

1224
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: they put them up. And this year they put them.

1225
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: I love they put it in a photo gallery and

1226
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: they put it on the template of the Ohio license plate.

1227
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: There's a list. It's great. Heeey Brown did this at

1228
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: the inquire since II dot com And uh, this is

1229
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: this is a lot of fun. Now, I know, we'll

1230
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: read off the lettering and the numbers here. We can't

1231
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 1: say some there's a couple of them.

1232
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 2: You don't yeah, phonetically, you don't want to do the

1233
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 2: whole the whole biscuit there because we have a license

1234
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 2: to them.

1235
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: That's exactly. But we can just we can just basically

1236
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 1: list off the the license plate number that was rejected.

1237
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: My good friend Charlie, Charlie Norman, who is the registrar

1238
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: of You know, Charlie.

1239
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 2: I don't think I do. Yeah, I think we've talked

1240
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 2: about him before, but I don't think. I don't think.

1241
01:06:55,000 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 1: Cincinnati guy Charlie originally what was his stuff? Well, he's

1242
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 1: from he's from Cincinnati and he went to Xavier. UH

1243
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: and he what did he do before he became registrar.

1244
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 1: I think he did some stuff in the wine's office.

1245
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 1: But anyway, it's funny. H Charlie Norman, by the way,

1246
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: great guy. Uh. He sends us a Christmas card every

1247
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: year of him and his two sons and my wife

1248
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: the other day says, Who's who's this? Like we get

1249
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: a car? I was like, and every year I tell her,

1250
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: I was like, pull out your license and look at

1251
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: the name on the license, and it's that guy. So anyway,

1252
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: Charlie Norman and crewe denied UH. And this is the

1253
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: annual denial of UH. These are actual, real, real license

1254
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: plate request he does not strike me as a vanity

1255
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: plate kind of guy.

1256
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 2: No, I think it's dumb. You don't strike me as

1257
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 2: one either. Tricia Mackie used to have one. I don't

1258
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 2: know if she still does, but I know when we

1259
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 2: worked at Fox nineteen together, she had a anti plate

1260
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 2: that read n w S in w S National Weather

1261
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 2: Service News and for news and had a letter to

1262
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 2: and then it said me to me, news to me.

1263
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: Okay. I don't know if she still has it on

1264
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 1: her on her vehicle or not, but well, you know

1265
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 1: I can read this one. I can read this. I'm

1266
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 1: gonna start off, Dan, and you've got you've got it

1267
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 1: up here, You've got it right in front of it,

1268
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 1: so you know what, I'm gonna take the I'm gonna

1269
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 1: take the easy one here.

1270
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 2: And I do want to say the fact that they

1271
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 2: printed these out to look like they're an actual Ohio

1272
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:38,600
Speaker 2: license plate, the visual makes them a lot more understanding.

1273
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So I would encourage if you want to go

1274
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: look at this since the nay dot com and just

1275
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,640
Speaker 1: type in license plates like that's what I did, and

1276
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 1: it pops right, you'll find it. So I'm gonna start

1277
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: with this one, Dan, because I could say this and

1278
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,600
Speaker 1: on the air, and it's spelled out just as the

1279
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 1: words spell it. Old fart. You should say that on me.

1280
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: The old park got denied olda what now?

1281
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 8: What now?

1282
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: Why? Why would you deny that one? That's a good question.

1283
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's look, it's something that people say

1284
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 2: all the time. It's there's a there's a little bit.

1285
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 2: I just called you that at the break. It's probably

1286
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 2: it's probably.

1287
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: Thanks.

1288
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, it's self deprecating. Yes, if if

1289
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 2: you're the elderly person that's that's driving the vehicle, Hey,

1290
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 2: how old are you, William? I'm old as dirt, right old? Yeah,

1291
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 2: you hear people say that all the time. So I

1292
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know why that would get rejected.

1293
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 2: What this next one too? Why would this one have

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01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 2: gotten rejected?

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01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 1: H V? The number so the letter h VS in Victor,

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01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: let the letter or the number two and then P

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01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: O O P that one's not I mean, I guess,

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01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 1: you know, I guess it's stupid, but you know everyone

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01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: has to do that at time from time to time.

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01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 1: And then uh, well, I'm gonna let you read something

1301
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 1: somebody I don't even know. I can't we might need

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01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 1: help on this one. If someone wants to call out,

1303
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. We have to take that

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01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 1: call off.

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01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 7: There.

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01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: I got the dumb button here, I'm ready to go.

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01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: It's all letters f T H M k D S

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01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: f T H.

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01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 3: M k D.

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01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:35,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I look at this and I think you

1311
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 2: got it. Yes, you know what it is? I and again,

1312
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 2: did we know what it was before we stought we

1313
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:43,639
Speaker 2: went on the air with this because we were talking.

1314
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 1: About it off the air. I think I figured it out,

1315
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 1: but I didn't share with you. Yeah.

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01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 2: I mean if if I'm on Jeopardy, I could not

1317
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 2: solve the puzzle.

1318
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,839
Speaker 1: On this one. I think it's uh, I think it's

1319
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 1: bleep them kids, I think is what it is. I

1320
01:10:58,600 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: think so.

1321
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 2: Anyway it can I don't know. I don't know if

1322
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 2: it's not jumping out that. This one did not jump

1323
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 2: out at me either initially, but after some discussion before

1324
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 2: we got on the air, I can see it now.

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01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 7: Uh.

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01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: Here here are all the letters M I L F

1327
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: mb L. Yes, M I L F M b L.

1328
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: And we we don't want your calls on this, by

1329
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 1: the way, We just wanted to enjoy, enjoy the enjoy

1330
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: the Christmas gift that I'm trying to hide license dates

1331
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:33,719
Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio.

1332
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 2: If you're driving seventy miles an hour across for Fort

1333
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 2: Washington Way, how how hard is that to visualize?

1334
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 1: What the hell is these guys talking about? Right, we

1335
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 1: are talking about this is not us that we are

1336
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: talking about the denied license plate vanity license plate requests

1337
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio in twenty twenty five that

1338
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 1: h my good bud Charlie Norman said, Nah, baby, nah,

1339
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 1: we're not doing those. Here's another one for you. Dank

1340
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 1: the letters. I'm spelling it out f D T m

1341
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 1: U s K.

1342
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 2: I think I know what that one means. I think

1343
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 2: I think that is for someone. And again now that

1344
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 2: there was one here, if even though that does not

1345
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 2: suit me in a political sense, if if I was

1346
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 2: making the call on this, I'd probably let that one

1347
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:33,719
Speaker 2: slide because there's going to be just as many aimed

1348
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 2: at the other Canada on the the you know, the

1349
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 2: other on the other side.

1350
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: And I think I think last year's had I think

1351
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 1: last year did last year's did have a it's not

1352
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 1: a great Biden one similar let's go Brandon. Was there

1353
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 1: a let's go brand. I think the last year and

1354
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 1: I got the nied to. I believe it did, all right.

1355
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 2: Well, if you're going to deny it for some, then

1356
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 2: deny it for all. I guess what I'm saying. Be

1357
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 2: consistent in this regard. Yes, you see, you want me

1358
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:04,719
Speaker 2: to give you another, and you got one for me. Okay,

1359
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 2: let's see, I want to want I'm just scrolling back

1360
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 2: up to the top because it was like the second

1361
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 2: or third one that I wasn't sure I've got.

1362
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: Another one on here Dan that I'm like, you mean later, Okay, okay,

1363
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 1: this is one where I'm like, why would you deny this?

1364
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 1: Especially like let law enforcement? No, right, this person's request

1365
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: was l u V l u V m E t

1366
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:38,600
Speaker 1: H love me love meth. Now why now now to me?

1367
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: Like you know what, hey, buddy, you want you want

1368
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 1: love meth in your lisis plate. Nothing like putting a

1369
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 1: target on your back by by law enforcement. So okay, there, pal, hey,

1370
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: look at me, I love myth. Look at me I

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01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 1: love hey.

1372
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 2: You swear you swerve in a little bit there, follow

1373
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 2: me around there you go, gee. I don't think it's

1374
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:01,719
Speaker 2: fair they fall let me around all over the place right,

1375
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:05,560
Speaker 2: MAYD be like and uh and goodfellas when Rayleiot is

1376
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 2: driving around the helicopter's following around the.

1377
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, what else you got? I don't, I don't.

1378
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 2: I have no clue what this is. P m p

1379
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 2: O l g y p M p O l g

1380
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 2: y p m p O l g y O l

1381
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:27,839
Speaker 2: g and p m P could stand.

1382
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I don't know what that one. I couldn't

1383
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 1: figure that one. Yeah, that's a that's a tough one.

1384
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe are they just rejected because they're too

1385
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 1: hard to figure out? I don't know. Maybe that one is.

1386
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 1: Some of these are pretty.

1387
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 2: Because I can see I can see where if you're

1388
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 2: driving behind someone and you see that license plate, can

1389
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 2: you get distracted by that? You're like, oh man, I'm

1390
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:48,679
Speaker 2: trying to figure out that license plate. In the meantime,

1391
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 2: you're not paying attention to, you know, the squirrel crossing

1392
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 2: the road or the red light or something like that.

1393
01:14:56,360 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: Did we say this one? L eight A A G N.

1394
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 1: And that's the top one on the on the on

1395
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 1: the photo gallery at the Sina dot com L one's

1396
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 1: that one's not too hard on L eight a F

1397
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: A g N. Yeah, laid again, I see if you

1398
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 1: just you're just not included the skipped over the middle,

1399
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 1: if you just not included a couple of letters, I

1400
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: would again would have been I would bet I would

1401
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: bet there's an L eight A G. Is it a

1402
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 1: G N at.

1403
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 2: The Yeah, I would bet there's one out there that

1404
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 2: I would Here's one. I have no no clue at all.

1405
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 2: I T that one.

1406
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 3: I don't.

1407
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 10: Yeah, b R I T B I T b R

1408
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 10: I T B I have I have no.

1409
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 1: I can't figure that one out.

1410
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 2: And there's a space between the I T and then

1411
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 2: the B R I T and the space between the

1412
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 2: T and the B.

1413
01:15:56,160 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 1: Yes, that makes not working for me. No, I have

1414
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:05,599
Speaker 1: no idea. Let's see what else we got here. Okay,

1415
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 1: how about this one? Uh? Oh?

1416
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:14,719
Speaker 2: And again A three? There's a six letters, three sets

1417
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 2: of two letters. Here we go O, N M Y

1418
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 2: B S oh so on my B S. I have

1419
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 2: no idea what the BS stands for? Well, I mean

1420
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 2: I know a BS, but right, I mean on my yeah,

1421
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 2: that does That doesn't sound like a familiar phrase.

1422
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 1: I've never heard that. But anyway, we've gone through those these.

1423
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 1: If you want to read more Coda Cincinni dot com.

1424
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 1: They've got them all, a bunch of fifteen or twenty

1425
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 1: more and you can interpret it however you want to,

1426
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 1: but we're not going to share those on the air.

1427
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 1: So anyway, Dan, great work with you today. We're back

1428
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: at it the R three o'clock. I'll be here, tom

1429
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 1: I'll be here. We got some got ever everything planned

1430
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 1: out for you so you can go golfing tomorrow. NewsRadio

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01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:04,879
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW